The Contentious Ten 03.08.10: The Top 10 Wrestlemania Moments
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 03.08.2010
From Ric Flair’s emotional retirement match at WM 24 and Hulk Hogan slamming Andre the Giant at WM 3 to Steve Austin passing out in the sharp shooter at WM 13 and even the tearful reunion of Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth at WM 7, 411’s Aaron Hubbard shares his top 10 WrestleMania moments in the latest edition of The Contentious ten! See which moments made the list and why!
Welcome back to the Contentious Ten! Last week's comments were an interesting bunch. Most either argued about placement due to personal taste, which is cool and encouraged. There was also a surprising amount of Undertaker hatred, which I thought the IWC was past, but irrational hatred will never go out of style. The best part was people calling Taker's duds with Bundy, Boss Man and Gonzalez the best matches in Mania history. Nice to see we are capable of having a joke that's actually funny.
Speaking of humor....REAL MP, you owe me a new keyboard. I can't explain how THAT got started, but it is definitely hilarious. Perhaps next week they'll call me Turban Man!
Honorable Mentions:
Various Holy Shit Moments: Wrestlemania is usually the time of the year where WWE pulls out all of the stops, and in recent years, that's resulted in amazing spots that speak for themselves. Here's a handful that deserve mention; Shawn's Splash off a Ladder (X), Hardy's Swanton off a Ladder (2000), Edge Spearing Foley Through a Flaming table (22), Undertaker Nearly Killing Himself on a Dive (XXV), Edge Spearing Hardy off a Ladder (X-Seven), Shawn's Moonsault into a Table (XXIV), Shelton Running Up a Ladder (21), Hardy Putting Edge THROUGH a Ladder (23), Brock Lesnar's Botched Shooting Star (XIX) and Shane Going Coast to Coast on Vince (X-Seven).
Andre the Giant Chokes Bob Uecker (IV): I wish WWE was doing the Wrestlemania rewinds this year, because I always mark for this clip. Uecker's facial expression is so over the top that I can't help but laugh. It's stupid and cartoony, but hey, that's wrestling! This was the king of celebrity comedy bits at 'Mania for a decade.
Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior Stare Down (VI): The image of these two larger than life characters staring each other in the face as the Toronto Crowd wildly cheers in anticipation of the collision is surreal. However, a similar moment twelve years later eclipsed in my mind, so this simply makes the honorable mentions list.
Strike Force Splits (V): This one is more out of personal preference than anything, but I really enjoyed the break-up of Strike Force. They were facing The Brainbusters of Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson and having a really good match on one of the more underrated Wrestlemanias of all time, and Rick Martel just turns his back on Tito Santana. I don't know why I liked this split so much, but it's always stuck out for me.
Ultimate Warrior Saves Hogan (VIII): Wrestlemania VIII had the potential for the biggest dream match since Hogan and Andre, as Ric Flair was the champion and both Hogan and Flair could still go. Sadly, it was not to be, and we got Hogan vs. Sid and Flair vs. Savage. While I'm not a huge fan of Ultimate Warrior, even I'm not jaded enough to ignore the awesomeness of Warrior's shocking return to the WWF to save Hogan from a beatdown from Sid and Papa Shango. That's just cool.
X
Kane Tombstones Pete Rose
Wrestlemania XIV
For some reason, this always seems to be overlooked by the IWC when talking about great Wrestlemania Moments. I think part of that is because of our tendency to focus on the in-ring moments, the stories and the spots. Or it could just be our dislike of celebrity involvement in pro wrestling. I don't know. And true, this doesn't have any historical significance, and it won't make you cry. But it's certainly memorable, and sometimes that's all you need. I said in the honorable mentions that Andre the Giant choking Bob Uecker was the best celebrity comedy in Wrestlemania for for ten years, but this pretty easily topped it. Pete Rose was a natural on the mic, getting cheap heat on Boston, and then took the Tombstone from Kane to the delight of the crowd. Just one of those random moments that you couldn't really call happening, but it worked to perfection. I also think this incident is one of the reasons Kane stayed over after Undertaker beat him, and was certainly a good consolation prize. I love Wrestlemania XIV and this is one of the reasons why.
IX
Ric Flair Retires
Wrestlemania XXIV
If I had been doing this column a year ago, this would probably have been up a few spots. However, given that Ric Flair has come of retirement to face Hulk Hogan multiple times in Australia and is going to be wrestling tonight for TNA Impact, this whole thing has kind of been rendered pointless. It's not the only tarnished moment on the list, but since all the emotion of the thing is based on his retirement, "unretiring" just destroys the emotion for me. However, I acknowledge that the resentment is still fresh in my mind, and when Flair does retire, I'll probably be able to look on this as I did two years ago.
A lot of people like to talk about the emotion of Shawn's farewell of "I'm sorry. I love you." There's a good reason for that, because those five words told the whole story of the match. And yes, Ric Flair's retirement is very special. But lost in all the pageantry is that it's Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels, two of the very best ever, competing on the biggest stage in wrestling. That's a dream scenario. If I had to choose a starting point for this moment, it would be when Shawn stops "tuning up the band" and just looks on Flair, and the old gunslinger just accepts his fate. The expression of sorrow and acceptance was too much, and I lost it. I'm not ashamed to say my eyes watered a bit. This was one of the classiest moments in Wrestlemania history.
VIII
Owen Hart Triumphant
Wrestlemania X
One of three times that Bret Hart is going to appear on this list without being the central figure. After Bret and Owen put on a wrestling clinic to open up Wrestlemania X, we got a shocking upset as Owen Hart countered a victory roll and got the win over his brother. The match went a long-way to establishing Owen as a credible wrestler; for all of his attitude and all of his underhanded tactics, he had proven to be Bret's equal as a wrestler, and it was his cleverness that got him the win. The reaction of Owen, Bret, Jerry Lawler and Vince McMahon on commentary just help put the moment over. This was Owen's time to shine, a total star-making performance on the biggest stage of them all.
VII
The Boyhood Dream Comes True
Wrestlemania XII
While I personally love the sixty-minute match that preceded it, I'm also aware of my biases for the match. I like long matches, I like technical wrestling, and I LOVE subtle touches. This match is full of them; but it also has huge lapses in psychology and can be boring at times. So while I love it, I personally find it to be highly overrated. However, whatever my feelings on the match may be, there is something very special about seeing Shawn Michaels finally win the big one after a grueling hour of combat. Most of us have dreams, but few of us ever accomplish them. HBK accomplished his, and it's a great moment for fans to leave vicariously through. Shawn has earned the moniker of Mr. Wrestlemania for his stellar in-ring performances at the show, but for the most part he has been on the losing end and is known more for creating matches than moments. This was his moment, the one Wrestlemania moment that was all about him and his accomplishments, and that's why it finds its place on the list.
VI
Steve Austin Joins Mr. McMahon
Wrestlemania X-SEVEN
What makes a good swerve? I think the answer is simple. The swerve must make total, complete sense in the context of the storyline, yet also be so outlandish that nobody would seriously predict it. Steve Austin's obsession with being champion and being the top guy serve as a plausible reason for his actions here. When you want something so bad that you need it, you will go to any lengths in order accomplishing it. Including "selling your soul", turning your back on everything you stand for, consequences be damned. So while in retrospect it is easy to explain the storyline....Who on earth could have called this? Mr. Vince McMahon and Stone Cold Steve Austin...partners in crime? Those two guys whose personal war of ideals was the biggest rivalry in professional wrestling were now working together? Unfathomable! And yet...completely logical. That's what makes a great swerve. And I don't think there are many swerves that can top this one.
V
Hulk Hogan and The Rock Stare Down
Wrestlemania X-8
All due respect to the showdowns of Hogan and Andre, and Hogan and Warrior, but as far as I'm concerned, this was the match that most fits the bill of Dream Match. Now, part of this might be showing my youth, but I have to believe that Hogan facing Andre or Warrior wasn't nearly as farfetched as the idea of Hogan facing The Rock. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. The electricity, the anticipation, the roar of the crowd, the intense look on the faces of both men, knowing we are just minutes away from watching the biggest star in wrestling history and perhaps the most entertaining wrestler in history square off...it's just indescribable. I can't do it justice. Absolutely surreal moment.
IV
Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Confetti
Wrestlemania XX
Professional wrestling is fake. The results of the matches are predetermined and the wrestlers aren't competing against each other, they are working together to tell a story and provide a spectacle. For the typical human being, that is something they will never understand or accept. Critics deride the illusion as an insult. Some people just try to pretend that it is real and cling to that line of thought despite all of the logic. But for us, it is that very illusion, that very premise that makes us love professional wrestling. We've all tried to explain it to our non-wrestling friends, yet somehow no comparison or description works. For them, no explanation will do, and for us, no explanation is needed. It is what it is. Yet even though we revel in the magic and illusion, we spend countless hours of our time trying to break it, to get to the real thing. We search for spoilers, scrounge for dirt-sheets, and flaunt our knowledge as if it makes us superior to other, less informed viewers.
But the truth of the matter is that we know very little. Because no matter how much the walls of "kayfabe" have been broken down, professional wrestling is a work. Wrestlers, promoters, and everyone involved makes their living by lying and working you; more often than not, it is impossible to tell where the show ends and reality begins. In some cases, the show doesn't end. But for all the farce, all the deception, all the drama, there are a few moments where what you see is real. At Wrestlemania XX, Eddie Guerrero retained his WWE Championship and Chris Benoit won the World Heavyweight Championship. That was predetermined. Eddie coming out to celebrate the occasion with Benoit was part of the show. So was the confetti. But the outpouring of emotion between the two friends, the two brothers, was real. Something that genuine cannot be faked; heartfelt embraces, tears of joy, and jubilant jumping because you and your best friend finally made it to the top after over a decade of hard work...no script can bring those out. This was as real as pro wrestling gets. Future events would tarnish it, possibly forever, but when it happened, this was something unbelievable special.
III
Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth Reunite
Wrestlemania VII
This is actually my all-time favorite Wrestlemania moment and I'm rather annoyed that video clips of this reunion have disappeared from Youtube and Dailymotion. So now you get a screen-saver picture. Awww....what a Kodak Moment!
Ahem...
The story of Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth is one of the most legendary and most beloved stories in all of wrestling. While virtually all other romance stories have fallen flat, the relationship of Savage and Liz spanned years and kept viewers hanging onto every moment of it, to the point where most people can't even think of The Macho Man without Elizabeth by his side. This was the culmination of the saga, the climax of the emotional roller-coaster. Savage had just lost a retirement match to the Ultimate Warrior, despite giving everything he had left and Sherri Martel helping him the whole way. Now his career was over, and had ended at it's lowest point- a single foot on his chest and his manager kicking him while he was down. Then Miss Elizabeth ran into the ring from the crowd and fought Martel off, and after a few tense moments where Savage worked out what happened, he and Elizabeth embraced in a moment that brought tears to the eyes of women in attendance. There are moments that are historic, random and emotional, but this calculated reunion outshines the rest. As far as feel good moments in wrestling, you can do no better. The other two on the list top this simply because of their historical significance.
II
Steve Austin Passes Out in the Sharpshooter
Wrestlemania 13
I don't know what the initial reaction to this match or this moment was when it first happened. I do know that it is impossible to see the long-term ramifications of moments as they happen. History has proven this moment to be perhaps the single most important in wrestling history, with only Hogan beating the Iron Sheik really in contention. On one level, the closing moments of the I Quit match where Austin bleeds in Bret Hart's Sharpshooter, refusing to quit despite the situation being hopeless is a perfect summation of the match and the rivalry. Both men hate each other and neither will give an inch, so they end up in that predicament. It was dramatic and led to the double-turn, where Austin became a valiant hero for the new generation and Bret became a bitter traditionalist who couldn't have things just the way he wanted them. It was a brilliant storyline. But it had amazing ramifications; Stone Cold became the biggest star since Hulk Hogan, the Attitude Era begun, WWE beat WCW in the war, and things have never been the same. The courses of two careers changed here, but more importantly, the course of wrestling history changed here. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but the image of Austin bleeding profusely but refusing to give in is worth many more.
I
Hulk Hogan Slams Andre the Giant
Wrestlemania III
With all of the great moments that Wrestlemania has brought us over the years, it is becoming harder and harder for this moment to maintain it's stranglehold at the top. At times, people will argue for one moment or another to take its place, and many have personal favorites. But this moment still stands tall. Hulk Hogan slamming Andre the Giant is immune to time; it was mind-boggling in 1987 and even with all of the other amazing feats of strength and the fantastic underdog stories that have happened since then, it is still amazing. We can debate the technical merits endlessly if we want, but eventually we all have to come to the realization that it doesn't matter. Hogan slamming Andre is iconic. It's not A Wrestlemania Moment, it's THE Wrestlemania Moment. Even people who have no interest in wrestling know about Hogan slamming Andre in front of the massive crowd in the Pontiac Silverdome. They say never say never in wrestling, but I truly believe that Hogan and Andre will never be topped. Wrestling works so differently now, and doesn't have nearly the cultural impact it had at the time of this match. There are better matches and more emotional moments, but The Slam Heard 'Round The World has been, and always will be, what Wrestlemania is about. The greatest spectacle in sports or entertainment.
*****
Whew. Next week is going to be my go at the list everyone will always debate: Wrestlemania Matches.
Posted By: Dangerousg (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 10:42 PM
Hogan turns heel on Abyss Monday night.
Posted By: EXCLUSIVE (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Benoit/Eddie celebration is my #1
Always has been, always will be
I still remember the day after WMXX, I read a review and the writer ended it with something like:
"If pro wrestling as we knew it had ended right then and there with those two in the ring together, I could die a happy man".
Posted By: Justin W (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 10:45 PM
i would say flair retiring, but tomorrow night says differently.
then i go with taker's face last year when hbk kicked out of the tombstone!
Posted By: pro life (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 10:47 PM
"There are moments that are historic, random and emotional, but this calculated reunion outshines the rest. As far as feel good moments in wrestling, you can do no better. The other two on the list top this simply because of their historical significance."
That was from the column which pretty much means it's number one. Dangerousg has it right.
Posted By: Patrick (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:14 PM
#3 should be #1. That is all.
Posted By: Dangerousg (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 10:42 PM
Yeah, what he said.
Posted By: Jamie (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:25 PM
I'd debate #1 simply because, despite what Vince McMahon wanted everyone to think, it was far from the first time Andre had been bodyslammed. First time in the WWF? Yes. But that doesn't mean anything.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:26 PM
awful list.
Posted By: brian (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Your choice number 4 was...eloquent. A finely written tribute to what makes this "sport" beloved and what makes it unfathomable to some. The moment will never be tarnished because, dramatically, it showed us a moment we'd all like to attain. The futue events are of no consequence if people understand what you said. It was a moment. A beautiful moment. May they both, somehow, rest in peace. Apologies to those who are offended.
Posted By: robot1111 (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:34 PM
This list is great, though I disagree with #10. Any of the holy shit moments are better than Kane chokeslamming.
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:44 PM
#4= my personal number 1. i've seen it dozens of times, and it still...it still gives me the warm fuzzy feeling I had when I saw it in 2004. Can't say that for Hogan slamming Andre. It's just a high-spot that was highly advertised.
Benoit and Eddie embracing and celebrating in the ring as champions goes beyond work-rates,audience records, eras, everything. It was two friends who had gone through hell and back, finally on top on the world, basking in their moment of greatness.
How can you not feel that?
Posted By: IWC Member #900001 (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:45 PM
"but I have to believe that Hogan facing Andre or Warrior wasn't nearly as farfetched as the idea of Hogan facing The Rock. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me."
I won't try to correct you, but I don't necessarily agree with you.
I think every generation of wrestling fan has their "dream match" (sadly, most of those matches disappeared well before the Hogan/Rock match due to the business being exposed).
I became a wrestling fan right around the start of the Rock and Wrestling Era (though I truly became a FAN with the 4-Horsemen/Dusty Rhodes feud, which spoke to me more than the then-cartoonish WWF ever could, and still drives me as a fan today).
I don't think Hogan/Andre was the dream match for fans of my generation. It was an incredible match (emotion-wise, not wrestling-wise). However, it was more for fans a bit older, who knew Andre as the seldom-defeated monster.
I think, from matches that actually happened when they should have, Hogan/Warrior WAS the match of my generation. Face/Face matches NEVER happened back then, so the atmosphere was every bit as electric as you felt for Hogan/Rock. Think about it -- if you still feel it today, twenty years removed from the actual event, think about how it felt back then. This was every bit as amazing as the "cross-promotional, will never happen in a million years" match of Hogan vs Rock.
(Now, for my money, the only matches that would have topped this were Hogan/Flair and Road Warriors/Demolition -- sadly, both took place a few years too late to matter)
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:05 AM
Thank you for downgrading Flair's "retirement." It still feels ridiculous to me that people rated that match so highly at the time. It's just so average. The fact that anyone took his retirement seriously for even a second is silly. As great as Flair is in the ring his personal life is so messed up that he'll sadly need the income from a job in wrestling until the day he dies.
We all want to remember our favorites in the best possible light but come on, Flair was never going to retire. The match was a joke from the beginning. Kudos to Flair for doing as well as he did but the moment was hollow from the word go.
Hopefully in retrospect people will realize that Flair vs. HBK wasn't the match of the year in 2008. Heck, it wasn't even the best match at Wrestlemania XXIV. That honor belongs to Edge vs. Undertaker.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:11 AM
1. Benoit/Guererro is #1 easily IMO
2. Austin passes out
3. Flair defeated
4. Lesnar's botched SSP
5. Hogan slam on Andre
6. Rock/Hogan staredown
7. Savage/Elizabeth reunion
8. Taker entrance, WM 9
9. Bret wins at WMX w/ a ring full of wrestlers as Owen watches on
10. HBK's entrance, WM 12
Posted By: JP (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:17 AM
I can't say I can disagree with any of the inclusions, except #10, which is little more than a sports entertainment moment.
What would I have in its place?
My persional choice would be Danny Davis getting the everloving shit kicked out of him at WMIII, only to get the pinfall due to the Bulldogs' overconfidence.
However, in terms of top quality moments, I'd have to go with Hogan/Warrior, not for the beginning staredown, but for Warrior's post-match celebration, in which he had the spotlight all to himself--unlike Savage's WMIV celebration in which Hogan shared much of the credit.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:20 AM
This is the lamest Wrestlemania Moment list I've ever read. Kane Tombstoning Pete Rose is a bigger moment than Austin winning the Title for the first time? Than Savage winning the Title for the first time? Martel turning heel on Tito Santana was a bigger moment than Trish turning on Jericho? Than Triple H turning on X-Pac at Wrestlemania XV? This list fails miserably.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:24 AM
Hogan slamming Andre is the most iconic image in WM history. Certainly the biggest moment.
My personal favourite has to be Eddie/Benoit... as the dude said earlier about fairy tale happy endings.
This was just about the most satisfying feel good moment in wrestling history.
I'd put Liz and Savage reunion a close second.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:25 AM
When I read what you wrote about number four it made me think of Austin vs Rock from the previous year with Austin losing to the rock in Austin's final match, it made a great capper to the attitude era and the fact that you can see that Austin is in very real pain and rock breaks character to say "thank you" to him kinda makes me choke up a little.
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Article says Flair/HBK at WM25. It was WM24.
This is a good Top 10 List for impact, but you should include a personal favorite list. Maybe I was just a mark in 2001, but Austin joining w Vince SHOCKED THE HELL OUT OF ME. Hit me like a rock.
Posted By: NickNitr0 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Austin beating Rocky with that chair at X-Seven was not only my favorite mania moment, but my favorite wrestling moment of all time.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:34 AM
No Taker? Come on.
Batista's bodyslam of Taker through a table should be mentioned.
No suicide dive from WM 25? That's what made the match.
Posted By: ROH Commish (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:34 AM
At least you got #1 right Jew boy!
But seriously who the fuck cares about Pete Rose being chock slammed by Kane, your telling me now that it's a bigger moment then Hogan/Warrior staring each other down before they collide? Your crazy if you believe that, or even Warrior saving hogan at wrestlemania 8 because this was many years before the internet and nobody saw that one coming, it has a the surprise element to it as well it deserved to be somewhere in the top 10, and enough of this Benoit Eddie BS nobody cares, they couldn't even lase up Randy's Hulk's Andre's or even Warrior's Boots when it comes to Wrestlemania moments.
Posted By: ChrisA (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:38 AM
So how does Ric Flair wrestling again for a different company two years later affect his spot on the list? While Benoit committing a murder/suicide still kept his moment in the top 5?
Now I'm not going to go on the "let's erase benoit from history" soapbox that's been done to death. But you could have at least mentioned that his murder cost him a few slots.
But I think it proves once again that Benoit is a sacred cow with the IWC while WCW and TNA are instant targets for criticism. So since TNA is involved in Flair's unretirement, it's worse than murder! But if Benoit murders, we all need to separate wrestling from real life. Unreal!
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:38 AM
So a guy coming out of retirement moves one moment down on the list, but another guy murdering his family is left as the 4th best moment in history.
Nice priorities.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Kane Tombstones Pete Rose?!! Really? I almost didn't check the rest of the list after I saw that.
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I can get behind most of this list except for #4, based on your reasoning for #9.
In the same way that Ric's actions after the moment has tarnished the moment itself, the whole tragic Benoit thing tarnished that moment for me.
It was truly one of my favorites as well, but the feelings of awe have been replaced by those of uncomfortable awkwardness. I just can't bring myself to get behind or feel special about things involving Benoit to this day.
Just me. Certainly don't hold it against anyone else if they don't agree. Simply wanted to point out that the argument for 9 can be made for 4, and I know there are a lot of people who feel the same.
Great 10, as usual!
Posted By: Gator (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Best Wrestlemania moment: Wrestlemania X, Owen/Bret.
"Benoit and Eddie embracing and celebrating in the ring as champions goes beyond work-rates,audience records, eras, everything. It was two friends who had gone through hell and back, finally on top on the world, basking in their moment of greatness"
And we all know that at least one of them liked thier trip "to hell and back" so much that he booked a one way ticket back there in June of 2007. Killing one's wife and kid kinda cancels out any "feel good" moments one had in this make beleive sport that we all take so seriously. It's time for us to let Benoit rot in peace, stop glorifying the absolute epitome of everything that was (and is) wrong with pro wrestling.
Posted By: Remember? Murderer? (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:59 AM
Since Flair is entering the ring AGAIN after his "retirement from the ring as he said in the video", that should not be a honorable mention. Retiring at WM is one thing but coming out of retirement, from the build up to WM, and wrestling at TNA, what a farce!
Posted By: Guest#9905 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:03 AM
I love WrestleMania and am about ready to go through them all again, so let's do this right:
The first 'Mania really needs SOMETHING on there. I'd say just the entrances of all the celebrities as the big time moment, although my personal favorite part is Piper's entrance with the full bag pipe band (there's a name for that I'm forgetting). I find that show to be totally watchable and a bit underrated.
Hogan/Warrior might be a top 5 moment for me, it was huge and unthinkable at the time. Rock/Hogan is still more unthinkable though, since the Monday Night War and his age made it seem like Hogan would never be back.
I think Bret's title win at X has a place on there. That's gotta be the biggest moment in his career and a validation of him being the real top guy at the time. I'd argue that it's just as big as Shawn's first title win. What about Shawn's entrance on the zip line? It's up there with Hogan slams Andre in terms of most re-played.
XIV is a tremendously entertaining show, glad to see you like it. That was actually the first WWF PPV I watched live (on TV). Austin's win and Tyson KO'ing Michaels are probably the two biggest oversights on this list. Also among the most re-played.
Austin's last match at XIX is another personal favorite. Knowing what we know now about all the circumstances surrounding it, it has all the emotion of Flair's "retirement match" but in a lot more manly way if you ask me.
Finally, HBK kicks out of the tombstone? Might be premature since the rematch could be a worse match and yet still a bigger moment since the stakes are so high.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:12 AM
Benoit and Guerrero is easily my number one, although I can see how some would think differently. Still, there is no moment in professional wrestling more indescribable then Benoit and Guerrero celebrating at the end of Wrestlemania XX.
Posted By: Guest#6591 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB40xACc2-Q
Macho Man reunites with Elizabeth Wrestlemania VII clip that you are looking for.
Posted By: Z (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:54 AM
Can you just use Arabic numerals (aka the regular numbers) when IDing a WM? It's bad enough that it gets confusing following the XXXVVVIII's and trying to count them, but then you go back and forth and try and list it as however they billed it.
Just say WM 10 and leave it at that. No one will give a shit if you say WM 5 instead of WM V. At the very least, it will be easier on the readers.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:12 AM
the savage/elizabeth moment was possibly the best in all wrestlings history
Posted By: GOAT (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:45 AM
Agreed #3 should be #1 the people have spoken.
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:47 AM
How did Austin's turn make ANY sense whatsoever? He was obsessed with being the top guy, but he was already the top guy and he'd never been close to losing that status.
Batista's heel turn made sense because he was constantly being "this close" and having it all taken away. Austin had already proven that he could beat the best and be the best without McMahon. It's a stupid turn.
Posted By: Guest#6980 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 03:02 AM
As far as the initial reactions to Austin/Hart at WM, I can attest to the fact that it was an instant classic. When I watched the show in 97, I knew that this was THE moment, and as a relatively new fan to pro wrestling it was easily the greatest moment I had seen and had me glued to WWF/E ever since. Audiences were way hot for Austin from that point on, so clearly it was effective right from the get-go.
Posted By: Gusty (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 03:16 AM
ok, i read the list and i thought it was good...accurate if you will. Then i read the comments and i was close to agreeing with these buttholes about all the moments you left out/misordered. But I realize its gotta hard as fuck to condense mania down to ten moments so i stick with me earlier sentiment...GOOD LIST
Posted By: STOGGO FTW (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 03:33 AM
Hubbard, I'd really appreciate if you reply to this comment next week.
If Benoit hadn't done what he done 3 years ago, where do you imagine yourself putting the Benoit and Eddie moment at Wrestlemania XX?
Posted By: Guest#5111 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 04:36 AM
"For some reason, this always seems to be overlooked by the IWC when talking about great Wrestlemania Moments."
Because there are hundreds that are better? Especially for those of us outside the US; he could be tombstoning anyone really.
Posted By: Bruno (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:07 AM
Remember guys, as much as Hogan and Andre seems a little past it by todays standards, it was the event that MADE the legend of Wrestlemania. 1 massive for the star power, 2, while revolutionary, didn't relly have that big time feel to it. Hogan vs Andre was THE big mate at Wrestlemania. And when people thing of the big match feel at Mania, this is the first match that really had that feel.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:07 AM
"There was also a surprising amount of Undertaker hatred, which I thought the IWC was past, but irrational hatred will never go out of style."
Also, this annoys me, so if you don't like Undertaker you're smarky and irrational? God forbid you have different opinion!
Posted By: Bruno (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:10 AM
IMO #1 Benoit-Eddie celebration
And for God's sake the match between Austin and Bret was not an I Quit match it was a submission match.
Posted By: Guest#8163 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:29 AM
So a guy coming out of retirement moves one moment down on the list, but another guy murdering his family is left as the 4th best moment in history.
Nice priorities.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:41 AM
well it is a few slots lower because of THE incident. had benoit not murdered his family, the moment deserves to be #1 or 2
Posted By: Guest#3057 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:39 AM
what ruins the boyhood dream moment for me is we know what shawn told Bret after the match.." Get the Fuck out of my ring" even after Bret had put him over (yes thats the term ; similar triple h losing to batista and cena at WM's....not a good example to give to IWC :P) . They really did not like each other back then.
Just happy they are on cordial terms now.
Posted By: Guest#7340 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:32 AM
Rock v Hogan staredown far and away for me. Nothing at Wrestlemania has ever given me shivers the way that did. The crowd was insane.
Not liking the rest of your list Hubbard, the Savage reunion, Benoit, Kane tombstone shouldn't be on there.
Hogan handing Warrior the title at the end of WM6 should be in there, that whole match was a moment.
I might find space for Cena's entrance at last year's Wrestlemania, that was epic. Or how about HBK's zipslide. Someone should do the top 10 Wrestlemania entrances.
Posted By: TheMan (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:33 AM
But I think it proves once again that Benoit is a sacred cow with the IWC while WCW and TNA are instant targets for criticism. So since TNA is involved in Flair's unretirement, it's worse than murder! But if Benoit murders, we all need to separate wrestling from real life. Unreal!
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:38 AM
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Wow. Logical analysis there... You're actually surprised that *wrestling* fans on the Internet don't bow down to your super rational observations?
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:33 AM
No King kong Bundy slamming Little Beaver. ..and then dropping the Big Elbow on him.
Thats a Wrestlemania Moment.. If your a sick person like me. Muahahaha! >:)
Posted By: Leon (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:54 AM
Not a doubt about it in my mind. Top two are Austin against Hart and Rock/Hogan. Talk about Guerrero/Benoit all day if you want, because it'll NEVER hold a candle to what the above two did. Austin passing out to the Sharpshooter was arguably the biggest moment in wrestling history, because it was the night Austin truly became a star, arguably the biggest ever.
And Rock/Hogan would be my number one. There's NEVER been a match as electrifying as this in terms of the crowd and NEVER will be. It was the real passing of the torch from Hogan to The Rock, probably the only passing of the torch that EVER meant anything in wrestling. This is perfection and it's moments like these which make wrestling what it is.
Posted By: SummerBreeze (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:18 AM
1-9: The Young Stallions are in the WM4 battle royal
10: Paul Roma defeats Steve Lombardi in a match so awesome it didn't make the WM6 telecast!
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:12 AM
randy and liz sould be number 1
Posted By: vijayB5 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:14 AM
"Just me. Certainly don't hold it against anyone else if they don't agree. Simply wanted to point out that the argument for 9 can be made for 4, and I know there are a lot of people who feel the same."
Without the tarnish, number 4 would be the number 1, no doubt! Of cvourse others disagree, but that's why debating is fun!
Posted By: Loki (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:19 AM
Hey it's HIS list so there are no wrong answers for what he put! That said, I'd easily have Savage & Elizabeth #1 no doubt with Austin/Bret remaining at #2. I'd have Rock/Hogan & Vince/Stone Cold higher than the Benoit thing as well. I think it's interesting the ones who find the Savage/Elizabeth reunion #1 and the ones who think Benoit/Eddie is #1. It says something but not quite sure what.
Posted By: 9AirMcNair (Registered) on March 08, 2010 at 08:39 AM
When I read what you wrote about number four it made me think of Austin vs Rock from the previous year with Austin losing to the rock in Austin's final match, it made a great capper to the attitude era and the fact that you can see that Austin is in very real pain and rock breaks character to say "thank you" to him kinda makes me choke up a little.
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:30 AM
That was a great moment to me and it showed the full on side of wrestling that you get glimpses of but not all the time. Austin didn't have to do that he was in no shape to do it but, did it anyway and Rock did all he could to not further injure Austin in that match but still make it look like Austin could have beaten him again. With his family present made the moment even better to me.
Posted By: Guest#9440 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:40 AM
I know it was only last year, but HBK kicking out of the Tombstone was a breathtaking moment....one the WWE hasnt had in a while.
Posted By: guest 16 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:41 AM
Seeing how the WWE used to be all about the over the top, big men, larger than life and then you had two guys that at one point in their careers would have been considered no more than cruiserweights....holding both the major titles in the company that was a great moment. Staged yes, but the embrace and the confetti was a feel good moment. Almost mades you believe that whomever your favorite mid carder is might be able to make it to the top of the company.
and by that logic.....no I couldn't rankd the cruiserweight that is Mysterio in this category because that title win never really sat well with me.
Posted By: Guest#4979 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:01 AM
The #1 moment isn't even on this list.
Moolah & Mae Young coming out of the closet after Mean Gene & The Brain made the excuse of playing poker in the closet.
Mae Young = ratings. RIP Moolah.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:12 AM
I was in MSG when Benoit won that title. The arena was half empty. It meant nothing then, and the murders bury it even further.
Bret Hart's title win 10 years earlier is far more of a moment.
Posted By: Koko (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:22 AM
You've gone overboard on the importance of Austin v Hart, way overboard. KOTR 96 was more important in making Austin a star. WM13 cemented his place, no doubt. Take this moment out of these two mens careers and nothing changes, they would have both still gone down the same roads and the outcomes of the everything would remain the same. Great moment, certainly, but you are hanging way too much on it.
Posted By: 3:16 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:34 AM
benoit killed his family because he was seriously sick or evil, depending on how you want to see it.
flair returns from retirement only because he needs more cash. his reasons to tarnish the legacy are trivial.
Posted By: Guest#3212 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:34 AM
"So a guy coming out of retirement moves one moment down on the list, but another guy murdering his family is left as the 4th best moment in history.
Nice priorities."
He was talking about the moments in itself, not stuff outside wrestling.
I can understand people not being able to deal with anything Benoit related anymore after what he did, and I can respect that, but if you are so disturbed from it that you insult an entire column and basically call it shit for a guy who worked hard on the column and for having an opinion on a Benoit WRESTLING moment, you seriously need to get the fuck away from this website, period. It's fine if you can't get into Benoit anymore, but if you're just gonna come on here and bitch at everything involving Benoit, for the love of God, just go, the fuck, away from the site. Because you can hate Benoit without insulting every column that mentions Benoit, and if you can't, do everyone a favor and go the fuck away.
Posted By: JT (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:34 AM
What a wonderful well written article, and great choices. My personal favorites.
3. Hogan and The Rock stare down: This was huge. A Cena and Rock stare down woulden't be half as big. Crowd was crazy.
2. Benoit and Eddie Hug
1. Hogan Slamming Andre
Out of the holy *h*t moments, my favorite was Jeff Hardy's Wrestlemania 2000 swantom. Great camera angle on that.
Posted By: Nevermore (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:38 AM
And we all know that at least one of them liked thier trip "to hell and back" so much that he booked a one way ticket back there in June of 2007. Killing one's wife and kid kinda cancels out any "feel good" moments one had in this make beleive sport that we all take so seriously. It's time for us to let Benoit rot in peace, stop glorifying the absolute epitome of everything that was (and is) wrong with pro wrestling.
Posted By: Remember? Murderer? (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:59 AM
Completely agree with this, and the point above that if Flair's unretirement tarnishes his retirement match, the Benoit murder/suicide dynamites any good feelings I had from Wrestlemania XX. All Ric is doing is keeping the wolf from the door. Benoit killed his wife and his son. How fans can be indignant about Ric and somehow give Benoit a pass is just staggering to me.
Posted By: Canucklehead (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:39 AM
Ric Flair hasn't retired
Posted By: Guest#1706 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:51 AM
So how does Ric Flair wrestling again for a different company two years later affect his spot on the list? While Benoit committing a murder/suicide still kept his moment in the top 5?
Now I'm not going to go on the "let's erase benoit from history" soapbox that's been done to death. But you could have at least mentioned that his murder cost him a few slots.
But I think it proves once again that Benoit is a sacred cow with the IWC while WCW and TNA are instant targets for criticism. So since TNA is involved in Flair's unretirement, it's worse than murder! But if Benoit murders, we all need to separate wrestling from real life. Unreal!
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:38 AM
Valid point, get pete rose out of this list, I think Hogan vs Giant number 1, and seriously austin passing out isnt a moment, shawn Michael off ladder is a better moment, and I think warrior hogan should be over, hogan vs rock and benoit should be numbver 2 and ric flair number3
Posted By: Guest#0895 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:14 AM
#4 Never Happened. I Mean find a NEW copy of WMXX on DVD, it says on the back, Triple H Defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels. WIFE/CHILD MURDERERS Should Get no recognition for anything! Just Sayin...
ALSO #9 gets UNDONE Tonight at 9PM on Spike. So that's 2 off the list
HOWEVER, you get MUCH RESPECT For your OWEN Selection.
Posted By: Guest#4715 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:17 AM
agree with some other comments on the Benoit/Guerrero celebration. it doesn't work for me anymore. it just doesn't feel right.
Posted By: mr. nym (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:18 AM
I was there at WM 7 and to say that Randy Savage and Elizabeth being #3 should be number 1.
Being live we didn't know Elizabeth was there. The Sports Arena didn't have a big screen for people to see what the cameras caught so we had to go by what we saw in the ring. So for the crowd to see Elizabeth going in there, many people who didn't sit by Liz were in shock.
I do remember going home and the news coverage in L.A. was about WM7 but they showed the moment of Elizabeth throwing Sherri out and then Savage and her hugging.
Posted By: Guest#1936 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Can you just use Arabic numerals (aka the regular numbers) when IDing a WM? It's bad enough that it gets confusing following the XXXVVVIII's and trying to count them, but then you go back and forth and try and list it as however they billed it.
Just say WM 10 and leave it at that. No one will give a shit if you say WM 5 instead of WM V. At the very least, it will be easier on the readers.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:12 AM
Don't blame dude. It's how WWE did it. With X-Seven and X-8 and XX.
They were all over the map. Dude is only being respectful by calling them as they are named.
Posted By: Comment Board Poster (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:50 AM
"It's bad enough that it gets confusing following the XXXVVVIII's and trying to count them, but then you go back and forth and try and list it as however they billed it.
Just say WM 10 and leave it at that. No one will give a shit if you say WM 5 instead of WM V."
Dude. It's not his fault that you can't read Roman numerals. Typing it how it's billed is just standard for most wrestling fans. So you get XII, then 13, then XIV and you just deal with it. It's really not that complicated.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:24 AM
I would add Brock Lesnar's crazy shooting star press from Wrestlemania XIX and him and Kurt Angle embracing at the end of their extremely gruelling match!
I'd also add Stone Cold's final match ever vs The Rock from that same Wrestlemania!
Posted By: Jimmy (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Hogan & Andre should be #1. All those other moments came as a result of Hogan & Andre. It was the moment that allowed Wrestlemanias to be held in football stadiums instead of in arenas. Ordinary people knew who Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant were. They had both been in mainstream movies and were part of popular culture (Hogan had been in Rocky III and Andre had been in The Princess Bride). Kayfabe was still in effect. Sure Andre had been slammed before (by Hogan a few years prior even), but only a handful of people in the world at that time even knew that. It was an amazing moment. Pro Wrestling will never be bigger than it was on that day.
Posted By: Ghost of Marlon Brando (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:25 AM
How detached from reality do you have to be to watch that Benoit clip and see not a double-murder but one of the greatest moments in Wrestlemania history?
Posted By: Guest#6968 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:38 AM
John Cena's title win at WM21 - set the foundation for at least the next five years of wrestling.
Far more of a moment than Benoit's win.
Compare their legacies!!
Posted By: Guest#1575 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Although I doubt the Pete Rose thing REALLY beats out most of your honorable mention items, or about 100 other 'Mania moments (Megapowers posing at IV after Savage wins first championship, etc.).. I guess I can understand that you wanted a "celebrity moment" on there.
And I'm with the people who pointed out how Flair's retirement was "tarnished" by future events, yet the Benoit/Guerrero moment was not. It doesn't bother me, I'm just saying. What happened with Benoit, and even Guerrero, who dropped dead and left his family without a father/husband about a year and a half later... for me made all things like "Wrestlemania moments" meaningless. Because it just ain't worth it.
Posted By: Guest#2466 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Benoit and Guerrero's moment is not tarnished in the way Flair's moment was. What made Benoit and Guerrero's moment so special was that it represented the culmination of the journeys both men had made. What made Flair's moment special was it was supposed to be the end of his career and we would never see him wrestle again. By him coming out of retirement, it essentially became as much of a retirement as Mick Foley's.
Posted By: Max Maverick (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Benoit murdered his own child and his wife - yet there is still a pedestal to be had for him here? Wow.
Posted By: Guest#8732 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Posted By: JT (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:34 AM
Do everyone a favour by accepting what a horrific act Benoit actually committed. Trying to detach wrestling from reality to that extreme is sick.
And everyone who did revel in the Benoit win at the time did so, not because of his onscreen character, but because of his offscreen journey.
They were cheering the man, not the performer, and it turned out the man was a murderer.
Posted By: Guest#2309 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Owen Hart belongs nowhere on this list. His career is so overrated.
Good list, with #8 and #10. I'd put Hardy's dive over either one of those. Also LOD with precious Paul and the puppet should be somewhere!
Posted By: Big Fat Fag (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:20 PM
"Can you just use Arabic numerals (aka the regular numbers) when IDing a WM? It's bad enough that it gets confusing following the XXXVVVIII's and trying to count them, but then you go back and forth and try and list it as however they billed it.
Just say WM 10 and leave it at that. No one will give a shit if you say WM 5 instead of WM V. At the very least, it will be easier on the readers.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:12 AM"
So you want him to basically dumb things down because you're simple? Wow.
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"I was in MSG when Benoit won that title. The arena was half empty. It meant nothing then, and the murders bury it even further.
Bret Hart's title win 10 years earlier is far more of a moment.
Posted By: Koko (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:22 AM"
I was there too which is why I can definitely say that you're lying. The arena was packed past the point of Benoit's win. They went crazy for him. Maybe you didn't and maybe you don't care to remember Benoit. That's fine. It's understandable and that's your right.
But don't flat out lie to make your "point." That's just pathetic.
Posted By: Tom Talker (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:28 PM
instead of kane, i would have edge spearing mick foley through a burning table
Posted By: qwerty (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:04 PM
Macho Man's elbow drop in the Finals at WM 4 should have been on the list. I remember watching it as a kid and thinking, "This is why wrestling is awesome."
And Hogan/Warrior WAS the Dream Match of my generation. My mom wouldn't let me order the PPVs so I had to call the 900-number to get the results. I gladly took a few swats for charging $10 to my mom's phone bill on account of that.
Posted By: Juan Tanamera (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:12 PM
It turned out that a lot of fans were cheering the performer in Benoit that for years had great match after great match. They did standing ovations for a man that couldn't connect worth a damn on the mic to the fans but when he got in the ring people got invested. As for the ones that are able to move on from the murder.......from what I have read no one is forgetting what he did. Most acknowledge it like it seems all the hate filled people do but the difference being they seem to acknowledge it with some form of respect.
Everyone else quick to call him a murderer seem to quick to get pissed at his name being mentioned. The guy that went off before could have done so respectfully, but his "go the fuck away" attitude probably was just a culmination of being tired of the hostility be shown.
The man is a murderer...far as some are concerned, he met his judgement, some people won't be content unless they are the ones burning his soul and thats not left up to you. IF anyone has the right to keep this flame going it would be the families of all involved. TO knock a writer for not wanting to erase history but talk about it respectfully, is sad truly but, again it boils down to opinion. It seems petty at this point as Benoit's soul(or lack there of depending on what you believe) is gone. His crimes make me sick but, wont sit here and shit on someone else who is a wrestling fan still enjoying what he did in the ring because its not needed.
Posted By: Guest#9934 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:26 PM
That Pete Rose moment has no right to be anywhere near this list. It's not even the best Pete Rose Wrestlemania moment, FFS!
Posted By: Guest#6860 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:37 PM
"Austin had already proven that he could beat the best and be the best without McMahon. It's a stupid turn."
Yes but Austin was coming off his neck surgery, he'd never suceeded in any of his shots at the title post neck surgery (before you mention it, yes I know there's the Owen piledriver incident, but this was the first time Austin's vunerability was really played up in terms of kayfabe). A lot had changed during the time he was out injured. And the fact is HHH beat him at No Way Out the month before.
Posted By: DaJ (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 02:57 PM
Just a few more I've thought of
*Undertaker's return as the Deadman - Wrestlemania XX - back to his original gimmick after 4 years.
*Cena and Batista World Title wins at Wrestlemania 21 - set the stage for the main-events for the next 5 years.
*Mike Tyson holding Austin's arm up - Wrestlemania 14 - mainstream celebrity contribution plus kicked off the Austin/Attitude Era.
*Wrestlemania 15 Austin with his foot on Vince's chest - nice exclamation point of the Austin-Vince rivalry.
*Wrestlemania 19 - Vince's evil bloody face - embodies everything about the Mr McMahon character - evil and hardcore.
*Ultimate Warrior beating Hogan - Wrestlemania 6 - great passing of the torch moment (although didn't work out that great).
Posted By: AH (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 03:15 PM
some clown wrote that he hopes benoit is resting in peace. i hope he is burning in hell in forever torment, dirty filthy murdering scum that he was.
Posted By: mickbhoy (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 03:43 PM
I wouldn't say the Iron Man match is overrated because a great many people actually don't like it. I myself do, but I'm biased for the same reasons you listed in addition to the two men being my favorite two of all time, and watching the event a scant five months or so into my fandom. I really like it ("love it" if I'm going off sentimentality) but I think it's generally remembered for exactly what it was.
WrestleMania 13 is my number one. I'm biased as all hell cos I was fucking THERE, but that was the SHIT.
Benoit/Eddie is just so unbelievably tragic to watch now it takes all the joy I had in 2004 right out of me. And that joy was unabashed on that night, I tell ya, and I was damn proud of it. And not just because of Benoit; that moment was about the both of them and the fact that neither are here anymore completely tarnishes it. I'm one who can separate Benoit The Murderer from Benoit The Wrestler, but this moment with Eddie is just *different.* It surely WAS number one, but it ain't no more.
Though we are forgetting the awesome gentlemen at the conclusion of Cena/HHH from 22...
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 04:16 PM
Piper's retirement at WM3 is special to me- even though it was only for a yr or 2.
Eddie/Benoit brought tears to my eyes so it is #1 IMO.
Posted By: FUZEY (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 04:35 PM
#4= my personal number 1. i've seen it dozens of times, and it still...it still gives me the warm fuzzy feeling I had when I saw it in 2004. Can't say that for Hogan slamming Andre. It's just a high-spot that was highly advertised.
Benoit and Eddie embracing and celebrating in the ring as champions goes beyond work-rates,audience records, eras, everything. It was two friends who had gone through hell and back, finally on top on the world, basking in their moment of greatness.
How can you not feel that?
Posted By: IWC Member #900001 (Guest) on March 07, 2010 at 11:45 PM
I don't feel that because Benoit was a child murderer and Eddie was a hopeless drunk and druggie.
Posted By: Roland The Thompson Gunner (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 04:45 PM
I think Brock's Shooting Star Splat from WM XIX and Undertaker's Missing the Deuce Suicida from WM XXV belong on a list of top Wrestlemania botches rather than moments. You could throw Foley's elbow drop from WM 2000 on there too.
Posted By: Guest#9322 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:09 PM
The whole Benoit thing comes down to whether you want to honestly reflect on which particular moments made an impact on you or whether you want to retrospectively rank the moments from a modern perspective. Personally, I'd have to say Benoit's and Eddie's celebration was the greatest emotional response professional wrestling ever triggered within me. That's not putting Chris Benoit on a pedestal, it's just an accurate report on a moment which caused me a great deal of joy as a wrestling fan. To admit this doesn't make Chris Benoit smile from the grave, he's dead and he doesn't benefit from fans admitting that they once admired his work. It's really not worth getting worked up about. I can't enjoy it anymore, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider it a great moment if what happened hadn't happened.
Posted By: Guest#1786 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:27 PM
Benoit/Eddie still is a great moment(yes im counting this as great and yes I expect he was a child murderer...etc,truth is at the time it was Brilliant)
I thought Hardys leap onto Edge At WrestleMania 24 deserved a mention in the holyshit moments..I swear its one of the best.
Posted By: The Reaper (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:28 PM
how in THEE COMPLETE DAMN HELL is the ultimate warrior beating the UNBEATABLE (cleanly) hulk hogan 1-2-3 clean in the middle of the ring NOT number 1 let alone NOT IN THE TOP 10 ????
Posted By: tha realest (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:30 PM
Never felt a need to comment on this here before but your tribute to number 4 was the best thing I've read on this site by a distance. Summed up perfectly how I, and I assume, many others feel about wrestling. Keep up the good work.
Posted By: JSP (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 05:56 PM
I second the mention of the guy with the "How?" look on his face after the Cena/HHH match.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:04 PM
#1. Razor Ramon beats Bob Backlund: This is where the seeds were sewn for the Attitude Era.
Fans started cheering "The Bad Guy" before, during and after his match with Backlund (the traditional babyface).
Razor becomes an uber-face, starts the Kliq w/HBK.
He then defects to WCW w/Nash, starts the NWO.
Posted By: Beyond the Layers... (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:36 PM
Than Triple H turning on X-Pac at Wrestlemania XV?
HAHAHHAHAHAH twelve year olds suck
Posted By: Guest#0350 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:51 PM
U Should do the greatest Feuds heading into wrestlemania
Posted By: Guest#0247 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 06:51 PM
I've always felt Taker/HBK was a bit overrated, but the look on Taker's face after HBK kicked out of the tombstone was classic. Agree with whoever said that deserved a mention.
Re: Rock/Hogan being the one true dream match on the list...I dunno. Warrior and Hogan were the WWF to me when I started watching in 91, so for sentimental reasons that one trumps even Hogan/Andre. Rock/Hogan was one of those things that I just didn't realize the significance of until the match actually took place, because as much as I liked Rock, I had always considered him Austin's #2, so for us to get that match instead of the 'real deal' was a bit of a disappointment (and I'm not even getting into Austin's backstory with Hogan from WCW). The match itself is magic in a way that I can't really see Austin/Hogan ever being, so I'm certainly not lamenting anything, but for reasons I've mentioned, I can't really agree with that "one true dream match" comment.
Posted By: AJP (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:03 PM
A comment on the Benoit hate: Hubbard's point in this article is simply dealing with the moments themselves, not the type of person involved within. Yes, Benoit would go on to do something vile and contemptable. Yes, Eddie had his demons. But the moment itself that they shared in the ring that night was a great moment. Try to take away what you now know about Benoit, and look at the moment for what it is: two friends celebrating reaching the top of the proverbial mountain. That is all it is.
Yes, I understand that many cannot separate the man from the performer. But, if that's the case, Macho Man has no place, since he beat Elizabeth and slapped Gorgeous George on live tv. Ric Flair has no place, since he cheated on his wives. Steve Austin has no place, since he beat Debra and his previous wife. Morality has no place on a list like this.
Most famous people, once you meet them, are not usually the person you think they are. The performer you watch is not who that person really is. Separate the two, for your own sanity.
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:09 PM
Flair's retirement match has been cheapened because of his comeback. Benoit's actions, while horrid, are not related to his moment with Eddie. Stop hounding on the Benoit stuff everyone, he was a great wrestler, and nobody really knows what his personal life was like. Does it excuse his actions? No, but it should be enough to file it in the "none of your business" file.
Posted By: Guest#6657 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:33 PM
Was a decent list until, for some reason, the child-murderer showed up on it, thus making the whole thing null and void.
Posted By: EZMark (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:47 PM
Jimmy Snuka murdered someone and got away with it, and Sycho Sid tried to kill Arn Anderson. I understand that Benoit was the patron saint of the IWC and a lot of people feel personally betrayed but it's time to come to the realization that the man was not medically well and needed to get help.
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:12 PM
Posted By: Tom Talker (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 01:28 PM
YOU ARE LYING. That arena was halp empty. Not helped by the midnight finish. New Yorkers wanted home because they'd work the next I reckon. Plus, nobody wants to keep their kids out past midnight on a school night. A large chunk off the audience had gone. Anyone who doesn't believe it, check the footage and see if there is a full shot of the crowd during that match. No, there isn't.
Posted By: Guest#1577 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:32 PM
Though we are forgetting the awesome gentlemen at the conclusion of Cena/HHH from 22...
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 04:16 PM
I love that guy! You could tell he bought his ticket to WM22 thinking, "Yay! HHH will save us from Cena he sucks!"
And the following disappointment was delicious.
Posted By: Guest#5287 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:33 PM
"Try to take away what you now know about Benoit, and look at the moment for what it is: two friends celebrating reaching the top of the proverbial mountain. That is all it is."
So why no Hitman win at WMX? They should rephrase these things to MY top ten rather than THE top ten. If Benoit still works for some folks, fine. But it's a personal taste. It did nothing for me at the time, and is even worse now.
Posted By: Guest#0203 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:39 PM
Eddie and Benoit number 1 moment for me forever
Posted By: ripstamps (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:40 PM
the top mania moment has not occurred yet. the top moment will be when vince mcmahon has the HONOR and the PRIVILEGE of telling a worldwide global audience that has been hogan has died and hulkamania died with him .
Posted By: Guest#2625 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:06 PM
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:09 PM
I respectfully disagree, mate.
Not about the separation of the wrestler from his outside actions, though. If anyone wants to ignore/forgive/separate/do whatever about what happened, that's each person's prerogative and I'm not going to give people shit about that.
On the subject of the list, though, I think Hubbard opened himself up to it with the whole "tarnishing" thing. By saying Flair not staying retired retroactively tarnished the effect of the moment, it opens the door that something else had/should/does retroactively tarnish anything else.
Granted, the moment and tarnish on #9 is more directly connected than for #4, but the door is open nonetheless.
Posted By: Gator (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:25 PM
To the person who said the controversy about the Benoit entry was because of a WWE bias saying that it's OK to honor that moment, and if WCW or TNA had anything to do with it it would be different...ironically, it's because of ANTI-WWE opinions that fuels a lot of the controversy. There's the murder itself, but then there's the incessant WAHHHH WWE IS EDITING OUT BENOIT HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US THOSE NAZI BASTARDS THIS IS ORWELLIAN SEE HOW DEEP I AM USING THAT WORD etc. etc. to consider as well. And that is starting to smell of fail now, as Vince himself acknowledged that situation in that History of WWE magazine (and he DIDN'T say he wanted to completely wipe him from existence, FYI)
Posted By: Guest#3870 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 09:56 PM
I forgot:
#2: The Los Angeles Screwjob...me and Hercules get totally RIPPED OFF against LOD at WMVII. It was a fast count dammit!
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Yes, I understand that many cannot separate the man from the performer. But, if that's the case, Macho Man has no place, since he beat Elizabeth and slapped Gorgeous George on live tv. Ric Flair has no place, since he cheated on his wives. Steve Austin has no place, since he beat Debra and his previous wife. Morality has no place on a list like this.
Most famous people, once you meet them, are not usually the person you think they are. The performer you watch is not who that person really is. Separate the two, for your own sanity.
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 07:09 PM
Well, Hubbard DID open himself up to criticism when he mentions Ric "unretiring" tarnishing his XXIV match, when you think someone murdering the wife and child he celebrated his victory at XX might tarnish things a little more.
And while I THINK I get what you're saying, certainly you have to admit that while the private actions of Ric, Randy and the others you mention are certainly reprehensible, it's a huge step beyond that to murder someone. Certainly the legal system of every civilized nation agrees, because the ultimate sanctions are reserved for those who take someone else's life, as Benoit did. Never mind when that staggering level of violence is levelled at a woman and a child.
Fair play to those who can look past Benoit's actions. But it's seriously beyond me. No entertainment value is enough to justify that in my mind.
Posted By: Canucklehead (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:49 PM
Savage/Elizabeth = Gay.
Hogan's nose to nose with Andre was way more intense than with the Rock. The look of contempt on the Giant's face was priceless. One of my clearest memories was just one move: Rick Rude's dropkick off the top rope to the Warrior at WM5, in a match where Rude made the roided-up blimp look like a million bucks. A simple Kodak moment from an era when moves like that got people out of their seats, with great commentary from Ventura: 'There it is Monsoon...upset city!'
Posted By: doofus (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:46 PM
YOU ARE LYING. That arena was halp empty. Not helped by the midnight finish. New Yorkers wanted home because they'd work the next I reckon. Plus, nobody wants to keep their kids out past midnight on a school night. A large chunk off the audience had gone. Anyone who doesn't believe it, check the footage and see if there is a full shot of the crowd during that match. No, there isn't.
Posted By: Guest#1577 (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 08:32 PM
1) It's Wrestlemania. So while a good chunk of the crowd is from New York, a much larger chunk than normal is not. Wrestlemania typically has a massive cross section of fans from around the world.
2) Again, it's Wrestlemania. You can't fall back on silly excuses like "it's a school night."
3) It's New York City. You know, the city that never sleeps?
4) Can you hear? The crowd was molten hot for Benoit from the opening bell to the final one. They weren't suddenly much quieter for that match than they were any prior one. The volume alone tells you that.
5) It's MSG. It's a smaller venue that's shaped quite oddly so typically there aren't many wide shots of the arena. That's not a special thing just for the main event.
6) I mean, I was there too. It's really just your story against mine. You can caps lock me all want and "reckon that the arena was halp full." It's no skin off my back. All I can do is assume that you just want to crap on Benoit. Fair enough. But I can remember a packed arena after the final bell giving much love to Benoit and Eddie. Remember it however you please.
Posted By: Tom Talker (Guest) on March 10, 2010 at 01:43 AM
Great list. It's fun to relive these great moments.
Not too sure about Pete Rose's inclusion. And I'd put Randy/Elizabeth at #2 over Austin, but that might be a generational thing. It was just set up *so* well by the match preceding--tremendous.
Posted By: Joe Schmoe (Registered) on March 11, 2010 at 11:42 PM
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