Five-Star Conversation 03.09.10: The Road to WrestleMania
Posted by Geoff Eubanks on 03.09.2010
WrestleMania is just a couple weeks away...so how's the card shaping up?
You know, over the years, many have come up to me and said, "Hey, Geoff, you're an outspoken piece of work. Does anything leave you lost for words?" I've finally found it:
The question of whether or not the overall quality of recent WrestleManias has taken a downward turn can certainly be debated; in my humble opinion, they have. So, with this year's Grand Daddy of ‘em All looming fewer than 20 days away, I'd say now's as good a time as any to have a look at what Vince and company are cooking up for this year's extravaganza. Does it measure up to the hype?
World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho defends against Edge
I was hoping McMahonagement would follow up with these two when Edge injured his Achilles' tendon and was forced to vacate his half of The UTTTs he shared with Chris Jericho. The quality of venomous promos Jericho spat at Edge after he was forced to find another partner certainly laid the groundwork for a tremendous program upon Edge's return and, by all rights, the matches and the ensuing dueling mic work would practically take care of themselves, given the skills of both in each area. This also works because we all know that even nefarious heels like Triple H and Edge typically earn huge face pops by fans once they return from an extended absence, so to sow these seeds from Edge's sickbed made a hell of a lot of sense; it made Jericho a bigger jerk for blaming his partner for his own injury while instilling audience empathy in Edge's case, as well as giving him a ready-made story to walk into once he returned.
However, everything really played well together to allow us to have a few of the matches that we have on the card come together in good time such that everything makes sense. Shawn Michaels' obsession with defeating The Undertaker leads him to cost D-Generation-X The UTTTs to ShoMiz, thus freeing up HBK to face Taker…if he can convince Taker to do so. So how does he do it? He sneaks under The Elimination Chamber and, at a crucial moment, costs Taker his belt, taking him out of the title scene for WrestleMania. And so, someone else had to win, and that person was Jericho, who, ostensibly, had heat with the Royal Rumble winner, the returning Edge, who was more than happy to remain on his brand and challenge his former partner for the title he uses to give credence to so much of his haughty bravado. I love this kind of booking, where it seems there's actual forethought involved in creating a layered, interweaving set of stories, not just a bunch of matches on a card with "BIG NAME" facing "BIG NAME" simply because they both happen to be BIG NAMES.
One of the main criticisms I've had in the past in Edge's regard is that, although he's a nine-time former world champion, exactly how many of those titles has he actually won in anything resembling a respectable fashion? Granted, yes, he was The Ultimate Opportunist and he cultivated his gimmick in that manner, he played it well and it completely worked for him; however, now is the time for him to prove that he can earn those championships instead of simply outsmarting his foes for them. Of course, I'd love to see him maintain some of that old school sneakiness, because that is part of his overall character and, just because he's got the kiddies cheering for him now, doesn't mean he has to completely abandon his foundation. However, that's a fine line to walk, and should only be attempted by a performer with a certain level of experience and polish. Eddie Guerrero was just such a performer – I believe Edge is, as well (to give a shout out to the comments made last week by 5SC regulars SpankyHamm and KanyonKreist).
It seems McMahonagement is intent upon doing just that in Edge's regard, because we've seen him giving the hard sell since even before Elimination Chamber last month toward ascending to the spot of #2 face on SmackDown! (behind the legendary Undertaker), especially over the last couple of weeks as he burrows into the mind of The Champion. However, am I the only one who's getting REALLY tired of this whole SearSpearSpearSpear business? I mean, there's hard sell and there's over-aggressive panhandling.
I recognize McMahonagement wants Edge to be firmly ensconced at a certain level and he certainly has all the necessary tools by which to achieve and maintain that level. I also get that a key component to achieving that status is to get over his finisher, The Spear. It's one of those exciting finishers that can be popped off literally out of nowhere, such as Sweet Chin Music or The RKO, or can also be audience-inclusive as Edge crouches in wait in the far corner, stalking his prey, two incredibly effective facets of a finishing maneuver. It's also proven that a finisher has the ability to help solidify a performer's character and round out the manner in which he's viewed and appreciated by the fans, look at Steve Austin and The Stunner, for example. But this obnoxious pandering is wearing me thin, personally…am I the only one?
With respect to Edge's Spear, BTW, I recall when he first introduced it into his arsenal and Larry referred to it as "The World's Most Dangerous Hug", because, compared with Batista and The Big Show's Spears (to say nothing of the remembrance of Goldberg's use of the move, which wasn't as steeped in history as it is by today's standards), it seemed quite tame by comparison. However, Matt Striker (and not Josh Mathews…hahaha!) describing last week on SmackDown! exactly why Edge's Spear is so devastating (the fact that he can extend his full 6'2" frame behind the move as he pushes off with his long legs creates a torque that forces the air out of his opponent's lungs) is one of so many qualities of why he's one of the best in the business today.
So what of the match itself? Quite frankly, and call me out if I'm allowing my Jericholism to talk for me here, Jericho has been Edge's bitch week after week after week on television. And I don't think it has dick to do with Edge's claim that he's in the head of The Champion; rather, Edge just has been able to seemingly intuit Jericho's intentions, dodge his attack and counter with a Spear. To me, thus far, it seems, were I a casual fan of Raw who decided to start checking out SmackDown! on The Road to WrestleMania, I'd think Friday night had a bitch for a Champion and that the match was going to be a one-sided foregone conclusion. Of course, we know both of these proud performers will turn it up for when "the lights're never brighter", to quote JBL, and that we could have a real sleeper between them, but the build thus far seems a hell of a lot more focused on taking Edge to an even higher echelon than building a tooth-and-nail battle for The Belt between two capable foes.
World Wrestling Entertainment Champion Batista defends against John Cena
I was kinda rolling my eyes at first over this one, because of the way Batista won/was given The WWET last month at Elimination Chamber, because it felt as if McMahonagement was saying, "Okay, that whole Sheamus experiment was sure fun, but now it's time to get serious, so…thanks for coming, Red! [swipes belt from Sheamus] Here ya go, Dave! [tosses belt to Batista]" I admire the fact that McMahonagement had courage and faith enough to elevate a new talent like Sheamus (even though such elevation was fraught with flaws, and we've discussed them all extensively here in earlier months), and I know that it's actually more likely that an incumbent champion stands a better chance of losing his belt in such an environment than retaining it, but, with things going down the way they did with The WHT, which made absolute sense across the board, for both belts to switch hands a month prior to WrestleMania gave me the sense that "Whoops, time's a-wastin, we need to get the pieces in order!", especially considering that Vince totally "Money in the Bank'd" Cena without the briefcase. It felt cheap and contrived and set me off on the wrong foot where this program was concerned.
I started to appreciate the logic behind the whole scheme when Vince explained it the next night on Raw, that, in exchange for Batista taking out his current obsession Bret Hart's new best buddy Cena, that he'd grant Big Dave a title match whenever he wanted. Okay, that made a little more sense, but, and I'm asking here, would it have made a little more sense for us to have known that Vince and Dave were conspiring in some fashion prior to Elimination Chamber, prior to Batista taking out Cena, even? It seems less desperate and "hot-shotty" if we had some inkling, although to what end was still a mystery. Does that resonate with you…?
Then, last Monday, Batista confronted Cena after having beaten him down in an extended thrashing where Cena simply asked…WHY? And Batista launched into what I perceived to be the greatest promo of his career thus far. The Altered Beast chronicled the WWE histories of both Cena and him, how they pretty much broke into the company at the same time, went through developmental at the same time, got their start on SmackDown! around the same time…but that, somewhere, somehow along the line, the company chose Cena to be the face of WWE, when he's convinced it should have been him…and he resents and hates Cena for it. Despite the fact that Batista was dressed like a model from the rough trade section of the International Male catalog, his promo was nuanced and passionate, the quality of which I don't think a face Batista could have delivered and speaks to why I am so on board with this elevated heel persona he's been cultivating since having betrayed Rey Mysterio. Batista's promo still doesn't mend the fences in my book over the way we started off with a cheap shot in having switched the title, but we seem to have locked into a solid groove and I'm really enjoying it!
What remains now, though, is that we have a certain duality since we have two top faces each dead set upon winning his brand's title on the biggest stage of them all. Are we really going to have two happy-snappy endings this year?
It strikes me that Batista needs to keep this title for a while. If he has one real weakness in his gimmick, and, I might add, the reason he went heel in the first place, it's because kissing babies and doing the right thing was leaving him coming like a nice guy…last, and now's the time to get serious, throw off all the baggage and focus all that pent up rage and aggression toward being The World Wrestling Entertainment Champion. To lose the belt after just one month is going to make him appear as if it doesn't matter what his mindset is or where his head is at, he's just not championship material. Perhaps he can be moved to Raw somehow (striking another deal with Vince…?) and continue to feud with Cena over the belt post-WM with Vince in his ear, using this psychology as a means to motivate him?
And what about Edge/Jericho? It's a foregone conclusion that Edge is going to score his 11th world title at some point, and I know it would be an incredible WrestleMania moment for him if he could do it later this month, but if McMahonagement is really serious about creating Edge as a tip-top hero, having him make a bitch of Jericho all the way to WrestleMania, then having Jericho retain through underhanded methods to set up a lengthy chase, where Edge finally wins the big one against the eeeeeeeeevil Jericho is the way to do it. It's an industry cliché, for crying out loud, there's money in the chase. Performers of a much less talented stock have been made chasing a hated heel champion. THIS is Edge's golden ticket. McMahonagement shouldn't shortchange themselves, Edge and the fans by cashing in on a WrestleMania moment over a carefully booked program that will serve them and edge better in the long run.
Unified Tag Team Champions ShoMiz: The Big Show & The Miz defend against John Morrison & R-Truth
Am I the only one who thinks Striker's name Respect & Wisdom suits the challengers beautifully?
One characteristic Larry and I share vehemently is that all major titles should be defended at a marquee event like WrestleMania, but, in The Miz' case, I'm backing down from that and I'll tell you why. The fact that The Miz comes to the ring wearing no fewer than three title belts does so much for his character's ability to act as reprehensibly, disgustingly, deliciously obnoxious as we need him to be and it's that brashness that is helping to make him what he's becoming on Raw…a star. (I really wish they'd play up more The Miz getting in people's faces and being the most bombastic ass he can be, saying and doing whatever he wants because he knows he's got Show to back him up…maybe after WrestleMania…?) The fact that defending The UTTTs gives three other performers something to do and a WrestleMania payday makes me okay with The UST not being on the line, since it's still being utilized in a passive sense as part of The Miz' gig (maybe he could be forced into defending it the next night on Raw…?).
The build in terms of the challengers has confused me, though. Don't get me wrong, I've given props to Truth here in the past couple weeks, and Morrison is one of my absolute favorites on either roster at the moment, but did it seem to anyone else that they were playing the buddy-buddy thing a little too closely and that, combined with the whole hurt ankle thing and effectively cancelling one another out of Money in the Bank, they seemed more destined to turn on one another or to have one turn heel on the other than to end up challengers to The UTTTs? Perhaps that could still go down? After all, with Taker back and Edge being hard-sold, perhaps Morrison is no longer needed to be that high-profile face SmackDown! required after WrestleMania last year? That could be a capital way to push this organic wave of fan support swelling underneath Truth at the moment, by having a trusted friend turn on him, especially since Morrison would be turning on the fans, as well. Perhaps losing to ShoMiz will be the proverbial straw to the camel's back…?
The Undertaker's Streak versus Shawn Michaels' Career
Correct me if I'm wrong (and last week proved that, if nothing else, there's plenty of you out there with your little red pens out and ready to do just that and only that), but I think this story has been building the longest of any that we have this year. Hell, in an inactive fashion, ever since we first saw Taker and HBK in the same vicinity, they've been glowering at one another, despite even having been on the same team in a duel-branded six-man tag match. We all know that HBK's personal obsession with defeating Taker at WrestleMania to avenge the loss he knows he didn't earn last year has taken root, festered and blossomed into a dark and thorny flower that has polluted his mind and soul. It doesn't even appear to be a matter of right or wrong, simply of competitive principle, such that, if he can't score a successful decision against The Demon from Death valley, he doesn't deserve to continue his career, that enough will be enough.
It strikes me that there's a real story here beyond what we're seeing on the surface, HBK's obsession and Taker's unwillingness to allow himself to be The Heartbreak Kid's personal shooting gallery, giving Michaels opportunity after opportunity to knock down all the ducks until he's satisfied, HBK resorting to very heelish tactics indeed by costing Taker his title. (There could be a chance to really go old school and have HBK recall that costing Taker The HWT twelve years ago was how he got Taker's attention in the first place.) With HBK's Christian beliefs and Taker's Dark Side, this could really become a story of final redemption versus the reaping of a soul who's outlasted his purpose, and, were taker playing a heel character, I think this story would have played beautifully, as it speaks to both men's characters in a very literal, though poetic manner, while still having an anchor in kayfabe. Notwithstanding, considering last year's clash was pretty light on story, it's awesome to see this one shaping up in so solid a manner.
How is this going to play out? I honestly cannot say. I know both men are closer to retiring than debuting in WWE, but I know nothing of either man really, actively contemplating hanging ‘em up, certainly not this soon. If HBK loses and is forced to "retire" (quotes because, really, who in wrestling really ever retires, right, Brother?), it's going to be another story…maybe Shawn will head back to the kitchen and cook for a living…? Seriously, though, speaking as a fan, as much a bigger supporter of HBK than I am Taker, though having a profound respect for each, I'd kinda rather see Taker win this one, because HBK does not need to be the one to end the streak. That needs to go to an up-&-comer, because that will MAKE him. HBK "retired" Flair last year, he doesn't need to end the streak this year.
But what will happen remains to be seen.
Incidentally, I agree with Jim Ross, that video package featuring Placebo's cover of Kate Bush's spectacular "Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)" was one of the most breathtaking the company has ever produced, and that's saying something! The original remains one of my very favorite songs of the ‘80s and it was awesome to hear someone had covered it, even if I much prefer the original. Here's the video for those who've never heard it (mind you, I'm not wild about the video itself):
Money in the Bank: Christian, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, MVP, Jack Swagger, Matt Hardy, Shelton Benjamin and one opponent still to-be-named
As it stands now, it looks as if Christian is the front-runner to walk with the briefcase, considering the momentum he had having been the standard-bearer for ECW for virtually as long as he's been back under The WWE Umbrella, although it's likely my own Peepdom encouraging me to say as much. Furthermore, the fact that Christian was the champion of a brand that, for all intents and purposes, failed (this in the eyes of Vince, further validating his apparent belief that he doesn't see a champion when he looks at Christian, despite his own contribution into killing of ECW), I don't think he'll get the nod, and if he does, it's to make an example of the fact that, just because one wins the match and the briefcase, it doesn't guarantee that one will end up winning the belt for which he challenges, as much as it hurts me to suggest that in Christian's regard.
Quite frankly, the rest of the line-up for this year's $itB are a collection of performers Vince recognizes as reliable, mid-card hands who can create and execute an exciting match and will be willing to take some sick ladder bumps to pop the crowd and create a spectacle, but aren't going to have to check an extra bag when they fly.
No, considering the way things are going over on SmackDown!. it's pretty obvious that this last spot is going to belong to Drew McIntyre. I hate how this has been handled. It seems to me McMahonagement is running about three stories in one in McIntyre's regard right now. It's simply overkill, none of them are being properly spotlighted and the whole process is suffering as a consequence. It's completely unnecessary to run an undefeated angle simultaneously with McIntyre being The USC. Why not push him as being undefeated until he challenges for The UST and gets pinned clean at a major PPV? He throws a shit fit and freaks out, refocuses, demands a rematch and then ends up rebounding by scoring the title? Then give him a solid run, he loses the belt, but rebounds from that by being included in and winning $itB. That's a whole year's worth of booking right there, but, no, we have to scrunch it all together and water down the meaning of the whole thing because in WWE, making an omelet ends up being scrambled eggs. No patience. Edge versus Drew McIntyre for SummerSlam anyone?
Bret Hart versus Mr. McMahon
The build for this one has me a little cold, too. It seems so shallow and cut-&-dried. Bret is being the bigger man, Vince is a dick. The fact is, the premise for this fight has been there for a dozen years, there really doesn't need to be any more story than what we already had hanging in the air for over a decade. The thing is, how many times has Bret been invited back only to be made a fool of, then he leaves, says goodbye, is made a fool of again, comes back to say goodbye for real, gets wants a match, Vince agrees, wait, Vince doesn't, then goads Bret into a match…sigh. Just fight already.
Again, I'm with Jim Ross, in that I have no idea what kind of a match we're going to see, considering the fact that Vince is 85 and roided to the gills and one more mistaken accident and Bret could potentially end up having another stroke in front of tens of thousands of people and a PPV audience at home (I'm obviously overstating the dangers there). One thing is certain, we're going to see Vince twisted up in The Sharpshooter, pounding the mat in submission.
This will be a special moment and the quality of which Bret really deserves and I'm pleased he and his fans are going to get it. Should be fun, even if it won't be the kind of technical masterpiece I'm sure Bret pictured for his final match.
We stand to see three more matches added, as well:
Randy Orton versus Ted DiBiase versus Cody Rhodes at least in some fashion, because we've seen virtually every incarnation possible among these three, short of Rhodes and DiBiase turning on one another and Legacy imploding completely. Perhaps we'll see some sort of gimmick tagged into this one, although with a ladder match already on the card and Extreme Rules coming up next month, one wonders if they'll want to play that hand so soon…? And who will go over? This really needs to be DiBiase and Rhodes' times to shine if they're truly stepping out on their own out of the protective nest of Legacy…but which one goes over…? Maybe we have a DQ to facilitate upping the ante for next month…?
Rey Mysterio versus CM Punk
This one's been brewing for a few weeks on SmackDown!. The story, quite frankly, hasn't been too terribly spectacular, but it doesn't have to be. It's an undercard match that is going to be a sleeper hit of the show if what Rey and Punk delivered a few weeks ago on TV implies. Of course, Mysterio will overcome the three-on-one odds The Straight-Edge Society will pose against him and provide a feel-good win for the kids. This might even open the show.
Sheamus versus Triple H, or, When Work-Out Partners Collide. This one got a bit of a late start, due to the fact that neither man had been medically cleared to perform on the Raw following Elimination Chamber, so all we really got the following week was Sheamus jumping Tri from behind following DX's unsuccessful bid to recapture The UTTTs from ShoMiz, putting him through the announce table. More will go down on tonight's Raw (I'm writing this mere hours before the show airs here on the West coast).
I have a sinking feeling this will be another example of Triple H biting off more ring generalship than he can actually chew (see Scott Steiner at The Rumble), although I could be wrong. However, after what was considered almost unanimously a disappointing match with Orton last year, one has to be inclined to believe that Triple H is going to be determined to please this year.
Of course, we'll have at least one Divas match thrown in, likely Mickie James settling the score against Michelle McCool and Simply Flawless…or Simply Nauseating, as I like to call them. Look, ladies, The Beautiful People is a great gimmick, let them have it. You're making fools of yourselves trying to act half your age. Between The Beautiful People and The Real Housewives…there's Simply Flawless.
Okay, that's all for this week! Thanks for reading! RESPEEEEECK!!!
I disagree with the fact that a young gun beating The Undertaker will make their career. At least not this pack of young guns. Any one of these guys who defeats the undertaker will be labeled overrated for the rest of their life (deserving or otherwise). Shawn Michaels getting the win does really nothing to tarnish the legacy of the undertaker. Shawn Michaels is a pretty much unanimously like performer by the fans and there may be some fans that will hate him for beating the undertaker. Maybe this is The Undertaker's retirement match. If he gets beat at Wrestlemania, who's to say he won't lose his powers and go back to the depths of hell where he came from. I will admit bias on this one though, i would much rather taker retire than shawn michaels.
Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:34 AM
Great column as usual :-)
"would it have made a little more sense for us to have known that Vince and Dave were conspiring in some fashion prior to Elimination Chamber, prior to Batista taking out Cena, even? It seems less desperate and "hot-shotty" if we had some inkling, although to what end was still a mystery. Does that resonate with you…?"
No, not at all. We already knew Batista had helped Vince beat up Bret. And we'd seen Batista willingly pass up a chance to qualify for the Chamber match. If they had spelled it out any more clearly it would have ruined the surprise element and/or insulted our intelligence.
Obviously, some manner of shenanigans were going to go down before Mania. But they left the what/when/where/how titillatingly unclear.
Personally, I expected Sheamus to retain so HHH could win the title at WM. When Sheamus was eliminated I thought Hunter would win the Chamber, so Mania would be a rematch. Then Cena won, to my surprise. And then - BAM - everything falls into place as Vince comes out and basically hands the title to Batista.
I didn't see it coming but in hindsight it made perfect sense. That's quality booking in my opinion.
Posted By: SimonRB (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:19 AM
What about Kofi Kingston? He was my favourite to win MiTB but he isn't even in it or on the card all together???
Posted By: Guest#9878 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:30 AM
I see Sheamus-HHH being a hard fought battle wherein the pale fella wins the respect from HHH. This would allow them to have HHH act as Sheamus' mouthpiece and give HHH a little bit of lighter wrestling schedule. This would also allow for a transition of Sheamus into a face to challenge Batista.
Posted By: Iron Knee (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 09:52 AM
Totally agree with danger stranger. The only credible man to end Taker's streak outside HBK is Cena. That could happen at 27. Question is, does Taker have another year in him? Look back at his last 12 months, perhaps not huh?
But the other side of the coin is, where does HBK go post Mania? If he wins, what to next - Triple H, that'll get stale quick. And then?
As good a performer as HBK is, he's perhaps too good, nobody is at the level to dance with him any more. I could see HBK retire and come back for one more special match, with either HHH or the The Rock. There is no-one else beyond those two for him.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Batista winning at the Chamber was near perfect booking. Subtly has never been a strong suit of professional wrestling....so having a backroom deal between he and Vince without telling us beforehand gave the viewers a surprise ending and allowed us to piece together the clues. Why would Batista beat down Bret? Why would a man who ripped Rey's head off cause he was tired of coming up short...who changed his entrance from machine gun pyro to a spotlight cause it was "about him and not us" just walk out of a Chamber qualifing match...his last chance to have the ultimate spotlight (main event at Mania)??? Cause he had Vince in his back pocket. Gave Batista even more heat. Allowed Cena to garner sympathy. Seems like perfect booking to me.
The build that im the least impressed with is a feud that I actually have little interest in but it just annoys the hell outta me...the Legacy breakup. Now, I think Orton has little to no redeemable qualities as a character/performer but I recognize he has a solid fanbase so him getting cheered to the degree he has lately isn't all that surprising. Im just upset at how Rhodes and Dibiase have been built. I believe they should've "made" after their DX feud. Not superstars or anything but their own heat and repoir with fans outside of Orton. But instead they're just his lackeys. What could've been a poor man's version of the Evolution breakup is basically Orton beating down his 2 butlers for outliving their usefulness while the crowd cheers.
Posted By: tone (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Batista winning at the Chamber was near perfect booking. Subtly has never been a strong suit of professional wrestling....so having a backroom deal between he and Vince without telling us beforehand gave the viewers a surprise ending and allowed us to piece together the clues. Why would Batista beat down Bret? Why would a man who ripped Rey's head off cause he was tired of coming up short...who changed his entrance from machine gun pyro to a spotlight cause it was "about him and not us" just walk out of a Chamber qualifing match...his last chance to have the ultimate spotlight (main event at Mania)??? Cause he had Vince in his back pocket. Gave Batista even more heat. Allowed Cena to garner sympathy. Seems like perfect booking to me.
The build that im the least impressed with is a feud that I actually have little interest in but it just annoys the hell outta me...the Legacy breakup. Now, I think Orton has little to no redeemable qualities as a character/performer but I recognize he has a solid fanbase so him getting cheered to the degree he has lately isn't all that surprising. Im just upset at how Rhodes and Dibiase have been built. I believe they should've "made" after their DX feud. Not superstars or anything but their own heat and repoir with fans outside of Orton. But instead they're just his lackeys. What could've been a poor man's version of the Evolution breakup is basically Orton beating down his 2 butlers for outliving their usefulness while the crowd cheers.
Posted By: Guest#2813 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 10:48 AM
I have a feeling that next week we will see Kofi vs. either Rhodes or Dibiase & get beat down by both of them. Orton will come to his old enemy's aid to set up Orton & Kofi vs. Legacy. If they don't allow Kofi on the Wrestlemania card I will be angry. He's been working his ass off the last couple of months. I wanted him in MITB but am happy they gave it to Evan Bourne.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:53 PM
I was thinking the same thing as Stranger Danger and The Man. It seems completely logical that they should use the Streak to put over a newer star who needs that final push over the hill, but the streak has become so important that I think it's above being used in such a fashion. Beating 'Taker at 'Mania alone won't make a Superstar's career, and it would be a shame for them to give the honor to a "sure thing" only for it to not do the job and wind up having been sacrificed in vain. Just consider how certain the WWE was about Kennedy at one point. How big a disappointment would it have been if he'd been given the nod?
The streak is a lot like Andre the Giant's undefeated streak (exaggerated though that may have been). It's one of the few remaining special attractions in the WWE. It deserves to go to a Hulk Hogan. Using the Undertaker's streak to solidify Ted Dibiase or Sheamus would be like if the WWF had used Andre to get Butch Reed over at Wrestlemania III. For that reason, I think it should be Cena. Like it or not, he's the contemporary Hogan and I don't think anyone on the roster now demonstrates the potential to replace him. HBK would be also be acceptable as he's proved himself to be a candidate for the title of greatest of all time.
I would consider Randy Orton or CM Punk worthy of the honor too (to a much lesser extent). Orton is the one young guy who actually had a shot at ending the streak. Now that Orton's anti-hero character is working so well, it would be a compelling story for him to challenge 'Taker again to claim the distinction which eluded him before he'd truly come into his own. Punk has proven that he can continue to shine and improve no matter how many times his pushes stall; I think he's beyond the potential "sure thing" status now. He has something to prove against the Undertaker, given their history. Ending the streak would be a great payoff for his mistreatment last year (if they wanted to turn it into a quasi-shoot angle).
Posted By: Schmidty (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:39 PM
I agree with the readers that the Batista win at EC was great booking. I also thought Sheamus would retain, then HHH once Sheamus was done, shocked at the booking when Cena won, but then "AHAH," it all makes sense now. Much better than expecting/knowing what's coming, I think.
I agree with Iron Knee in the fact that I'd like to see HHH/Sheamus together after WM. I could see HHH vs Show or Miz on Raw the night after WM and then get double teamed by whoever isn't in the match. Sheamus runs down for the save. An alliance built on respect from the match the night before. I was actually going to mention this closer to WM but I thought it might be too early to start talking about "The Road From WM" just yet.
I agree with Christian being the front-runner but I don't think he'll win either. I have a sentimental vote for Benjamin, but he never gets over. Unless someone loses their spot, this might be the year the person cashing in doesn't win the belt.
Oh yeah, if anyone sees Samoa Joe, please call the authorities!
Posted By: Angry Bear (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:53 PM
Stop saying Mcmanagement so much!
Posted By: Guest#7184 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:58 PM
Great Column--I agree with you on the spear chant. He's trying hard but it's just not catching on.
Also agree on Jericho retaining at WM and letting edge chase him a while. I'd like to see Edge win next month, have Jericho invoke his rematch at the ppv after that, lose, and have Christian cash in on Edge to start that program. That's my own wishful thinking though
Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:13 PM
Hey, good article. I like the look of most matches, besides one and that is HBK-Taker. Unlike most I'm not a Micheals fan and wished they went with something more interesting to me, although what I'm not sure as the company is utterly empty of truly credible challengers to Taker's streak. I'm just hoping Taker wins.
Also in regards to Running Up That Hill, Within Temptation have been known to perform it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDomiFyUKo
Posted By: Sean McCabe (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:39 PM
Hey, isn't this the 5SC? Where is all of the conversation? Just seems like you talking to us, not both ways like it used to be. That's what I liked about you column more than the others at 411. It's not like there are a whole bunch of people that we can sit and talk wrestling with in our lives. I need you, Geoff. I need you bad.
Posted By: Big Fat Fag (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:15 PM
If both Taker and HBK are going to stay active with the company, obviously the way to go is with HBK to win. But what does that mean to both of them for the next year?
Taker - at some point, he had to start looking vulnerable. The older stars must be willing to start putting over the younger stars, not only on TV but also on PPV's. He is now "mortal". He starts to lose to programs against CM Punk, against a turned Morrison or against Jericho. He loses his "sneer" and departs for several months. Even let someone like Jericho be the one to put the Taker out of action for a few months when he doesn't release the Lion Tamer.
But when the Taker comes back, he comes back to Raw and goes after HBK. HBK took the one thing that separated out him from everyone else who has ever worked for this company - and that was the streak. So come next Wrestlemania, it will be their grudge match - HBK vs. Taker III. Only this time - it's Taker's career that will be on the line.
HBK - fresh off reclaiming his position as the Showstopper, HBK demands that he now be put into consideration for a title shot against Batista or Cena. HHH - after beating Sheamus - claims that it's his time to for the title. All he did was lose for months, and then because of one big win, he thinks that he should get a title shot. Sorry buddy, but uh - this shot is mine. This leads to issues between HBK and HHH (again), except this actually leads into a fued between the two. It keeps them occupied and away from the titles for a few months. Eventually - HBK does get his shot at the title later in the year. This is when the Taker reappears, challenging him to the grudge match. This drives Shawn crazy, causing him to lose the title.
Meh - just spewwing on and on here. But basically - HBK beats Taker this year, setting up a final match between the two next year. And if they both declare this to be their final matches regardless of the outcome - they could both get the proper send off.
Posted By: SpankyHamm (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:06 PM
I wouldn't be shocked to see Vince punish Kofi for trying to help out Cena this week by forcing him to team with somebody he hates. Randy Orton Either way, Kofi deserves to be in WM.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:25 PM
I echo most of the previous, I think you may have missed the Batista giving up his chamber spot though so I ain't holding it against you.
I think Sheamus and the H's is the dark horse this year. I hope to see Triple H go back into his bag of tricks and pull out an old school 2001-2002 Trips match instead of the tired old formula he's been using of late.
I am actually looking forward to the DiBiasse/ Orton interaction no matter what form it takes. I have always thought Orton a great talent despite most of the IWC's hatred of him...then love of him...and then hate of him (repeat for a while) I have been solidly in his camp since his run with Evolution. On that note I find it funny that the group once derided as 4 Horseman-lite, Evolution, is now the better group and Legacy is "The poor man's Evolution", which by the way is a very poor title for Legacy. Orton is way better than Trips was at that time and he was on possibly the roll of his career before he was neutered by poor booking.
Anyway back to the homework, thanks for the interesting read.
Posted By: Carnivore (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 06:55 PM
Randy Orton, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, and Drew McIntire still don't have matches at Wrestlemania.
If McIntire is one of WWE's future main eventers, he should have a match at Wrestlemania.
I wouldn't mind seeing Orton vs. McIntire and Punk vs. Mysterio added to the card. If WWE can find room for The Miz and Evan Bourne, they certainly ought to be able to find room for Orton, Punk, Mysterio, and McIntire.
Posted By: Posted By (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:32 PM
I just finished watching TNA and RAW from Monday night. Big props to mom for DVR'ing them while I was working the graveyard shift slangin' slurpees. All in all, I'd have to say that Raw was the better show. I've seen that people said Raw was your typical Raw but I think the typical Raw is better than any Impact I've seen as of late. I'd give a "2 1/2 SLURPEES" rating to Raw, and a "1 1/2 SLURPEES" rating to Impact. The only redeeming quality of Impact was the finish of the X-match and Brooke Hogan, who I'd love to get to nibble on my Big Bite btw. Anyways, excited to watch the NXT recording and mom washed my Carlito shirt so I'm ready to rock-and-troll!
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on March 10, 2010 at 08:13 AM
"Randy Orton, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, and Drew McIntire still don't have matches at Wrestlemania.
If McIntire is one of WWE's future main eventers, he should have a match at Wrestlemania.
I wouldn't mind seeing Orton vs. McIntire and Punk vs. Mysterio added to the card. If WWE can find room for The Miz and Evan Bourne, they certainly ought to be able to find room for Orton, Punk, Mysterio, and McIntire.
Posted By: Posted By (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:32 PM"
According to the SD spoilers, Rey and Punk will face each other at WM26 and McIntire became the ninth qualifier for MiTB. So now we know whay MiTB was fileld with also-rans. McIntire will probably win it now.
And I've thought that Orton would be teaming up with Kofi against Legacy for quite some time now. Protecting Cena last Monday is going to set that up.
That sets up WM26 with a match for every upper-carder in the company. All that's needed now is to put in the piss break match between some Divas.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on March 10, 2010 at 09:08 AM
Since we are talking post-mania, what's your thoughts about not abandoning the guest host, but doing it bi-weekly or even monthly? I think it might keep it from getting stale and keep the hosts somewhat interesting.
Posted By: Angry Bear (Guest) on March 10, 2010 at 09:27 AM
I think it might be kinda fun if Christian did win MITB and then used it that night during the Edge/Jericho match since he has history with both men.
I still don't get the sudden cheers for Orton. He hasn't done anything face like and he is not doing a anti-authority act like Austin did. Yet he is suddenly a tweener? Talk about a badly botched money making feud.
Otherwise, I agree with you about the buildup so far.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on March 10, 2010 at 07:26 PM
Hey man...the tag name Striker gave for Truth and Morrison was Truth & Wisdom I think, not Respect & Wisdom. Either way, I geeked out when I heard the name.
P.S. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to stop watching your opening video. Huge win.
Posted By: Jason King (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 05:57 AM
Can you imagine if Sheamus was booked to end the streak this year? Bearing in mind he fits the mold, but it would be horrible.
If they do end the Streak (which I pray they don't), they should turn Taker heel first, so the person to break the Streak becomes a hero.
I hope HBK loses at Mania (I'm not opposed to Triple H costing him the match) because HBKs career can be reinstated (right Randy Savage?), but the streak cannot.
Posted By: Quimby (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 08:28 AM
Copyright � 2011 411mania.com, LLC. All rights reserved.
Click here for our privacy policy. Please help us serve you better, fill out our survey.
Use of this site signifies your agreement to our terms of use.