The MeeThinks Friday FreeThinks: 03.12.10
Posted by John Meehan on 03.12.2010
RVD is back, baby! Let the Monday Night Wars... end?
Welcome back to the Friday FreeThinks!
I wanna' start this week by thanking you all once again for making this weekly column the single most commented-on news report on the entire site. Week after week, the FreeThinks draws some MONSTER feedback, and routinely ends up receiving more comments than any of the other equally solid news reports that surround it (all of which are quality -- yes, even Small's).
Be the feedback good, bad, or indifferent, I really do appreciate the dialogue. And I make a point of reading each and every comment that's approved (yup, even the ones that call for my head). So again, kudos to you guys. And thanks for your continued support of this weekly dose of intrawebz' rasslin optimism.
(And now that I've buttered you up sufficiently...)
Sorry, no Kayfabesbooks this week.
The 411 wrestling staff has been working overtime to kickstart our annual Countdownn to WrestleMania feature in high style (spoiler: it hits the webz' next Monday!), and yours truly has joined with my colleagues in hammering out a boatload of writing and research in order to ring in the WrestleMania season in as proud and spectacular a fashion as only 411 can.
(Yeah, I know that sounds kinda cheezy -- but a ***TON*** of work has gone into the project from all angles, and I really do think you'll love what we've come up with this year).
So check back here on Monday! And until then -- howzabout we get to the wrestling news, yes?
Rock & Roll.
The SELL of the week goes to Mark Henry, who mastered the art of the reluctant thug this past Monday night on RAW when he was coerced into joining Vince McMahon in the systematic dismantling of WWE poster boy, John Cena. From a kayfabe perspective, it made perfect sence: Vince McMahon wanted Cena's head on a silver platter, so he went and conscripted the biggest, baddest, and nastiest guys he could find to get the job done. Based on his sheer size alone, Mark Henry is tailor-made for such a role -- and so the big guy found himself called into action to help put the hurt on the former WWE Champion. But in true hero fashion, Henry still knew where to draw the line. And to his credit, he really did a great job of selling the fact that he was hesitant to fight dirty, and was merely doing the job he was paid for because he'd been instructed accordingly (are you listening, Beer Money Inc.?).
The TELL of the week goes to Angelina Love, who has been pretty uninspiring since her return to TNA. By my count, this is actually the second time Angelina has been awarded the inglorious "tell of the week" honors since she returned to the Total Nonstop Action ranks -- and this week's flub came in the form of a bicycle kick that whiffed a good foot or so away from her opponent's face. Sorry, Angelina -- but with Kong all AWOL and whatnot, the Knockouts are in desperate need of some credibility. And stuff like this doesn't help their case in the least.
Rob Van Dam - Mr. Monday Night returned to television in a big way this past week, when he appeared as the surprise opponent against "The Icon" Sting to liven up TNA's first regular head-to-head show against WWE RAW. He was -- of course -- summarily beaten to a pulp in an angle that was used almost exclusively to hammer home Sting's burgeoning war against Hulk Hogan, and so one can't help but wonder just *why*, in fact RVD bothered to make the trip down to the iMPACT! Zone in the first place.
MeeThinks?
Rob Van Dam's TNA debut was less than inspiring (and less than surprising, too -- thanks a lot, Tazz). But the good news is that he is, was, and remains insanely popular in spite of most wins and losses, and it probably won't take long to rebuild "The Whole Effin' Show" into a fresh, new main-event-level character to help round out the TNA ranks.
Frankly --
The Sting beatdown was a total momentum killer. But wrestling fans (especially RVD fans) have a notoriously short memory (heh heh heh -- see what I did there?), and RVD can easily get the jump on Sting or some other high-profile TNA rulebreaker the next time he returns to company programming and redeem himself at the top of the newcomer heap in short order. He's got the moveset, the star power, and the natural charisma to dig himself out of a hole if only TNA proves willing to give him a chance to do so. And there's no reason to believe that a one-off Pearl Harbor job (epic though it was... not) will be the death knell of what could still end up being a true rising star among the incoming crop of TNA talent.
After all -- nobody gets higher than Rob Van Dam.
(Waaaay too easy)
It's like real-time reader feedback on steroids
You've got questions? I've got smarmy comments answers. Keep 'em short, topical, and classy, and I'll
Would it be wise to be trained by former wwe superstars who didnt achieve great success.Like people who compete on velocity from time to time?
If you're going to get yourself trained to become a proper professional wrestler, then it's probably best to get yourself trained by someone with at least a modicum of mainstream success and credibility. More than that, you're probably going to want to find someone with a legitimate track record (both in the ring and in terms of producing talent that actually goes on to get signed). And finally, you're going to wanna' make connections with somebody who is -- above all things -- both well-respected and well-connected within the professional wrestling business on the whole.
Sometimes, it's not *what* you know -- but *who.*
Well okay, not always...
If Lance Storm is training, you're in good hands. Same for guys like the Dudley Boys, or Booker T. Slightly less the case when you run into performers who may have made enemies and/or burned their bridges within the 'rasslin business (Bob Holly comes to mind). And if you find yourself having to Google just WHO, exactly, this dude who's promising to train you is simply because he SWEARS he used to be a jobber on a seldom-seen D-level-or-worse developmental TV show? Like most things, be careful there -- more often than not, you really do get what you pay for.
Do you think if Jeff would have stayed put and not go all "Fuck Yea TNA", Matt would actually have better shot as a World Champion?
Not really, no.
While there's little denying the fact that Matt Hardy actually loves the wrestling business more than his younger brother does, and thus would do everything in his power to become a certifiable world champion and a worthwhile company man should duty ever call him to such a task -- the simple fact of the matter is that the elder Hardy boy simply lacks the natural charisma, showmanship, and daredevil ability that makes his brother such a natural choice for the main event picture.
In spite of himself, Jeff Hardy succeeds. And in spite of *himself*, Matt Hardy only seems to find himself even remotely near relevant to the main event picture when his free-spirited younger brother just so happens to waltz on into the picture.
Frankly, Matt probably has a better shot of becoming TNA World Heavyweight Champion than he does of becoming a main eventer in WWE at this stage in his career. And that's saying something, because the current landscape of TNA is tremendously overcrowded the way it is -- and there's probably no realistic shot of The Sensei of Mattitude making anything more than an Orlando Jordan-esque blip on the radar even if he did decide to up and cross the line.
(It's a shame, too -- because Matt Hardy is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. Inexplicable, I know... but it's pretty hard not to admire the dude's heart).
Who do you think Miz will drop the U.S. title to? I want to say Danielson, but I get this feeling Morrison will be traded to Raw and take it cause we all know how Raw likes to rape Smackdowns roster.
At this stage of the game, Daniel Bryan is actually just as strong a contender as any.
WrestleMania seems destined for yet another year without the United States Championship being put on the line. And unless The Miz is fighting two matches in the same night, I really can't see WWE hotshotting a second title program into the mix in just under two weeks' time or thereabouts.
Other option?
The Big Show.
Let's face it -- Jericho has moved on, and Morrison/Truth will either be walking away from the ShowMiz program with a new set of tag team belts or a serious case of sore-loserdom that will likely distract their collective attention elsewhere. And so when it comes right down to it, if ShowMiz walks out of WrestleMania without the tag belts and Daniel Bryan isn't quite ready to step up into single's competition -- a Miz/Show feud could easily occupy the (former?) tag team champions' time while the remainder of the WWE's undercard sorts itself out.
How often do TNA workers get to go home.I know they to two shows a week or something and then house shows.
A good chunk of the TNA roster lives in and around the Orlando area, and so they're home a heckuvalot more than your average WWE performer with a full-blown 200+ date annual touring schedule. Still, they're usually incurring a great deal of cost, traveling time, and wear-and-tear outside of what all the company is compensating them for -- and so it definitely bears noting that these TNA performers are certainly earning their keep.
That said -- as for how often they go home, this can vary. TNA's latest broadcast schedule crams two weeks worth of television into two days worth of tapings. From there, a sizeable portion (but certainly not all) of the roster will travel across the country for a modest regimen of house show dates (on average, like 15 or so a month). And aside from that? You're pretty much free to come and go as you please. And even though their "on-the-job" activities are hardly like yours or mine, it's pretty hard to complain when all you're contracted to do is give your employer 19 (or so) days of work out of any given 30.
But then again, *some* guys skip the house show circuit altogether -- no matter how high up on the card they may be at any time.
Yup -- I'm looking at YOU...
This means that they're only obligated to TV tapings (4 times a month) and a PPV date here or there (for a total of 5 days of work per month), which affords them PLENTY of time to pursue other non-wrestling related ventures and/or social outlets.
Needless to say, it's really no wonder why so many of the stars of wrestling's yesteryear have chosen to "cross the line" to TNA Wrestling.
Why the burial of Mike Knox? Hes quite good for a big man.
Your guess is as good as mine.
MeeThinks?
Mike Knox is naturally huge, and so he will *always* be viewed as a physical threat, if nothing else. Bearing this in mind, WWE knows that they don't really have to do all that much with the guy -- simply because he's pretty much being kept on the roster as a babyface starmaker, whose sole job in life it is to help the up-and-coming "good guys" look all the more underdoggy and Rocky Balboa-esque as they work their way up the midcard ladder.
(He's pretty much Kane with a beard, actually).
Any reason why Benjamin never wins Money in the Bank? It's quite ridiculous if you ask me and I can't see to understand why he stays in WWE when TNA could make him a star.
Simply put: WWE has a "mold" for their main-eventers, and if you don't fit it, you're not likely to succeed in the long run.
Here's the main event tool kit:
1) Passable in-ring abilities.
2) A unique and marketable look.
3) Charisma and/or the ability to work a microphone.
The better you can do in each of these fields, the more likely you are to stand out from the pack (and mask your shortcomings in other fields). Taken together, this translates to "star quality," and it usually means that people will pay good, hard-earned money to watch you perform.
The most successful of WWE wrestlers have all three of these traits in some varying combination (think Hulk Hogan, or Steve Austin). Other less-successful performers have an obvious shorcoming here or there, but can usually pull through since they really stand out in two out of the three categories (The Ultimate Warrior, for example). But the guys who never quite make it to the upper echelon of WWE programming usually struggle with at least one (and usually more) of these things to the point where even the best of their abilities in another realm can't quite mask the fact that fans have a hard time taking them seriously as a main-eventer.
Case in point:
Shelton Benjamin.
Passable in-ring abilities? No question. Heck, the guy is among the best that WWE has to offer in that regard. Only problem is that much of Shelton's offense is almost exclusively high-flying, which can be tremendously spotty, and that doesn't quite lend itself to a sound "long-term investment" (ditto for John Morrison). Look how long it took Jeff Hardy to break the glass ceiling, for cryin' out loud (and how quickly he tumbled right back through it shortly thereafter).
A unique and marketable look? Again, only a half-credit for Shelton here. He's naturally athletic, without question. But even with the bleached blonde hair, he's of average height and muscle mass, and doesn't quite look "different" enough from any other guy you'd encounter on the street. Begs the question: if you could see it *for free*, then why in the world would you ever pay to do exactly the same?
Finally -- charisma? This is Shelton's weakest spot of all. His best work was as a heel, but heels can't rely on flashy offense and expect to keep soaking in the crowd's hatred for all that long. And since his moveset is so "babyface"-ready to begin with, Shelton is pretty much stuck playing the generic good guy role -- which is a recipe for mediocrity if there ever was one.
Has anyone lost to their own finisher? And who would have won in a triple threat submission match between Sting vs. Bret Hart vs.Owen Hart (RIP) seeing all three have the same finisher.
Plenty!
Most famous example I can think of off the top of my head?
Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in Montreal.
True, losing to one's own finisher has become something of a rarity among the modern landscape of professional wrestling. But every now and again (simply because it threatens to make both a wrestler and his finisher look incredibly replacable -- and thus weak -- if not booked properly). But every now and again, it can (and does) happen. I'm sure there are a good number of readers out there just waiting to throw in a comment about their favorite examples below.
As for who'd win a Sting/Bret/Owen match? Ha. Once upon a time, that would have indeed been a match worth seeing. And if Bret had anything to say about it, I'd say the winner would likely be Owen -- but only because The Hitman would probably end up winning the world championship later on in the very same show.
What do you think means more to some wrestlers, their status or what they make? I say this cause I look at Christian being a 3 time TNA Champion to coming back to WWE to the midcard where he was before.Same goes with R-Truth former 2 time TNA Champion.
This one obviously varies between performers, but for the most part, I'd say it all boils down to one thing and one thing alone:
Dolla dolla billz, y'all.
Sure, being a champion or a "locker room leader" is great and all. True, there are a number of rare exceptions who simply "love the business" so much that they'd break their necks for it regardless of the cost (ala John Cena), as well as those who've achieved near-mythic status (The Undertaker) who can pretty much justify any money they *aren't* making on the grounds that they virtually get to run the entire WWE locker room. And yes, there are even some who'd rather forgo a steady paycheck in favor of working their way up to the top of a heap of competition and then moving on to the next challenge simply to prove that they could do it (ala Steve Corino).
But for the vast majority of performers, claiming a lower-level championship or acheiving top-dog status is merely just a stepping stone towards earning themselves a bigger contract or more bargaining power when they sign their next one on down the line.
(Case in point: how many ROH alumni end up willfully leaving their "top dog" status behind in order to seek their fortunes in a bigger company?)
To blatantly crib a line from Coldplay (wow, first no Kayfabesbook and now Coldplay?! Man, this'll *really* piss 'em off):
"You might be a big fish in a little pond /
Doesn't mean you've won
'Cuz along may come a bigger one
And you'll be lost."
Yes, there are those who simply do it for love of the game, and thus it seems like they'd do it for free if they could (which would lead you to believe that "status" would probably edge out "finance" if push came to shove). But John Cena is probably the poster boy for precisely such this type of performer -- and if you were to offer the guy a mere $100 a year to keep performing at the level he's currently at (and really now, the guy has made more money than God -- so what need has he for a further inflated paycheck on down the line)? Odds are he'd either turn tail and walk away from the business altogether, or seek employment elsewhere. Because at the end of the day, professional wrestling *is* a business.
Is their any truth to the rumor that DX refused to put the Straight Edge Society over for the Unified Tag titles.
Given the fact that virtually NONE of the stuff we all spread, share and comment on over these here intranetz is EVER actually attributed to a credible source other than a second-hand rumor: yeah, sure -- why not? If all it takes is one ill word against a certain performer in order to lend "ANY" truth to a rumor, then I'd wager the answer here is a resounding "yup," simply because Shawn Michaels and Triple H have (in the past, at least) gone on record and spoken out against the "too-big-for-his-britches" indy darling that is CM Punk.
CM Punk: Wait wait wait... you're pairing me with... FESTUS?!?! FML.
That said --
Most of those stories are a few years old, at this point. And dX are each well beyond the stage of their individual careers where either guy needs or perhaps even cares about an otherwise meaningless tag team championship belt. So when it comes right down to it, I'm hard-pressed to believe that Hunter and/or Shawn had any real problem with dropping the gold to just about ANYONE -- provided that such a title-change didn't only further serve to screw up any ongoing storylines and character arcs that could otherwise draw some serious coin on their own.
Best guess?
CM Punk has been headed for a WrestleMania showdown against Rey Mysterio for MONTHS now, the feud is perfect without any added title belts on the line, and HBK and Triple H know (knew?) it. Meanwhile, guys like The Miz, Big Show, John Morrison and R-Truth were pretty much standing on the outside of a WrestleMania payday looking in -- and so it just made better business sense to throw these guys into the tag title picture instead of hotshotting the straps on over to CM Punk and Luke Gallows.
It's nothing (too) personal -- it's just smart business.
I thought Monty Brown was awesome.Why didn't TNA let him run with belt? I remember in a match with Jarrett it took 3 finishers to beat him.Also had he not had to quit wrestling for WWE due to personal reasons were their any plans for him?
Monty Brown was indeed all sorts of win. Sure, the guy was green as they come, but he did have a natural charisma and a great look to boot -- which would have most definitely served him well had he stayed in either TNA or WWE for a long enough stint to actually make a crack at the upper tier.
After getting a new pair of tights, obviously.
Monty's biggest problem in TNA was that he came of age at a time when the company was smack-dab in the midst of its "Planet Jarrett" nonsense, and that pretty much meant that the top of the card was simply too crowded for any new blood to break their way in. (Lest we forget Rhino's blink-and-you-miss-it stint as NWA World Heavyweight Champion). Rather than hanging in the main event picture for any real length of time, Monty Brown was summarily pushed down the card where the rest of the newcomers and also-rans ended up spinning their wheels. And so instead of a run with the TNA gold, he ended up getting lost in the midcard alongside other up-and-comers-with-nowhere-to-go like Samoa Joe, Ron Killings, and Abyss.
Had Monty stayed, he probably would have made it out of the midcard mess eventually (each of the three men listed above certainly saw a fair degree of success in TNA before their tenures were over). But Monty grew tired of waiting (can't blame him, really) -- and so he made the jump to WWE, where he could have easily turned into an upper-midcard menace (or more) in a hurry.
Fate kicked in and that one fell through, too -- and ultimately, it seems as if the professional wrestling career of the onetime Alpha Male was destined to be a simple case of "right place, wrong time."
So Edge's finisher is the Spear.Why do other wrestlers use the move like Batista and Big Show?
We've covered this one before, but it basically boils down to two major reasons (one kayfabe, and one practical):
Practically speaking, there are only a finite number of moves that wrestlers can safely be expected to perform. So inevitably, there's bound to be some overlap between the arsenals of various performers (ala Batista and Big Show each using a spear, or Shark Boy using the move Chris Jericho calls "The Codebreaker," etc.).
From a kayfabe standpoint? Sure, Big Show and Batista might each use *their* variation of this move. But Edge has MASTERED it (in terms of training, timing, expertise, physical conditioning, etc.) -- and so while many others may well in fact use the move, there is no one (in kayfabe terms, at least) who can do it BETTER than The Rated R Superstar.
Flying hug tackle FOR THE WIN!
Though really, when you think about it -- a diving shoulder tackle into the gut would probably hurt a WHOLE lot more when coming from a bigger, stronger dude than from a smaller, faster dude. I mean, that's basic laws of motion -- which, of course, have no place in the physics of professional wrestling.
(After all, this is the same universe where guys can't help but run back and forth bouncing off of ring ropes instead of just -- ya' know -- STOPPING themselves from running in the first place).
Since Bret Hart is obviously on somewhat good terms with WWE now, do you think we'll start seeing Owen included in things now? (Video games, DVDs, HALL OF FAME, etc.)
Owen Hart's biggest obstacle towards inclusion in WWE's multimedia promotional efforts hasn't been his brother, Bret; it's been his widow, Martha.
She ain't the lady to mess with.
After Owen's tragic accident in 1999, Martha Hart took Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation to court over a wrongful death suit. Though the matter was ultimately settled out of court (for an "undisclosed amount," and the usual media silence that typically surrounds such matters) -- WWE has been reticent to dredge up any and all mentions of The onetime King of Harts in the decade-plus since, which should give us a pretty solid indicator of a) just how frosty the relationship between Martha Hart and Vince McMahon is and continues to be, and/or b) just how legally bound both sides of the agreement are to avoid crossing paths with one another for the time-being. Reportedly, it was Martha Hart herself who has repeatedly put the nix on any talk of Owen Hart ever making his way into the WWE Hall of Fame.
MeeThinks?
The fact that WWE has a Hart Family DVD in the works, and the fact that Owen is an integral part of The Hart family's story gives us pretty good reason to suspect that his name will (gradually) be making its way back into the common discourse of World Wrestling Entertainment's DVD releases in the near and immediate future. Beyond that, however, it's probably up to Martha Hart and no one else besides. Owen's widow has been quite vocal in her condemnation of the professional wrestling business over the past decade and beyond, and so while I'm sure she would have a hard time saying no to any and all "free money" that Vinny Mac might be willing to throw her way, there's also something to be said for having taken a principled stand. And when your husband literally gave his own life for a company? It's pretty hard to consider letting that same company continue to make even more money off of his likeness even years after he's passed on from this earth.
Wait wait wait...Taz ISN'T black?
lol.
Um... "no?"
At least I *think* not...
(readers?!)
None - After last week's most recent round of layoffs, it appears as if both major wrestling promotions have settled in on their current rosters (for the time-being). It is worth noting, of course, that TNA recently parted ways with both Sean Morley and (once again) Roxxi -- but each performer was working with the promotion sporadically on a per-appearance basis, and thus there are no proper contract expirations or terminations to report at this time.
None - In a welcome development, there are no major injuries to discuss over the past seven days'
time.
None - In the wake of a massive round of layoffs and as the wrestling world nears the home stretch for its biggest night of the year, performers from both companies seem to be keeping their tempers in check and their heads low this week. In the biggest item of ongoing backstage gossip, there is still no official word from TNA Wrestling as to whether or not they have agreed to part ways with Awesome Kong.
Once again this week, we'll depart from our normal story-by-story format and just talk turkey when it comes to the broader shape of the 'rasslin business at large. Namely, because both major companies went head-to-head in what is promising to be the first of many regularly scheduled faceoffs to come -- and neither company actually did all that much to land anything close to a knockout blow on their competition, which means that wrestling fans are probably in for a good, long fight here before all is said and done.
Over in TNA --
The company launched headlong into its first "official" head-to-head battle with World Wrestling Entertainment by bookending their show with the highly-touted in-ring returns of Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. The end result? An underwhelming .98 Nielsen rating. Though certainly respectable for a first effort, especially when stacked against the established Monday night juggernaut that is WWE RAW -- certainly has to come as something of a disappointment for those within the TNA ranks, particularly because they busted out the two biggest tricks they had left in their arsenal and still managed to find themselves decimated in the ratings war.
MeeThinks?
We talked about this at length the last time TNA went head-to-head with WWE back in January. And though I will most certainly commend their bravado and heart in throwing down the gauntlet in a war that they knew there was virtually no chance of winning, I can't help but wonder if this is all a clear case of hens coming home to roost. Way back in January, I said something along these lines:
Watching TNA's broadcast back again a few times on TiVo, it's really not all that great of a show. Two major surprises (Hardy and Flair), and one great (but not "classic") main event are certainly nothing to sneeze at -- but the better part of three hours was spent on meaningless cameos, suspect decisions and missed opportunities. As a one-off, LIVE show? It most definitely served its purpose. Drawing viewers in with familiar faces, throwing curveballs and surprises to keep us guessing, and rewarding longterm fans with some quality in-ring action as a result of our continued support of the product.
But as a building block for the future?
There are a LOT of mistakes that earned a free pass here simply because the atmosphere was electric and the show was live. And starting from the company's decision to re-air the show last night rather than putting on an entirely new broadcast, it seems as if a LOT of that electricity could have dissipated by the time TNA gets their next shot.
Unfortunately for TNA, it appears as if a good chunk of these fundamental mistakes have gone either unnoticed or uncorrected -- and the initial wave of curiosity has effectively given way to what will (and MUST) remain a constant effort to deliver programming that actually delivers quality, well-established characters and solid, episodic storytelling in order to attract and retain viewers on a weekly basis.
Again -- it boils down to "surprise" versus "suspense." One keeps you watching for an instant, but the other hooks your attention for the duration.
(Meanwhile, in WWE) --
The company flagship sailed on relatively unscathed this past week, shedding only a slight portion of their usual audience in spite of the fact that they offered a show that was pretty much interchangable with every other program they've churned out since the Elimination Chamber PPV (minus the show-opening Undertaker cameo, of course -- though that too is becoming something of a semi-regular feature). Next week, WWE looks to seize momentum and actually kick their official home stretch towards WrestleMania into high gear, as the show will feature a collection of rematches from WrestleMania bouts of yesteryear, as well as a highly-touted show-long cameo appearance by none other than "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.
(What will TNA be doing to retain what precious momentum they may still have and counterpunch this virtually guaranteed audience-stealer, you ask? Why they'll be airing a program that was taped a full week in advance, of course. D'oh.)
But let's not get ahead of ourselves and call it in for a full-blown WWE victory in this Monday night war just yet...
Frankly, once the cat got out of the bag that TNA was indeed heading for Monday nights three whole weeks *PRIOR* to their competition's single biggest show of the year? The company really had no choice but to accept the fact that a few obvious defeats would be coming their way, especially in the early going. Judging from this week's iMPACT!, it almost feels as if TNA went through the motions of putting together a "big show atmosphere" in order to curb *some* of that momentum -- but ultimately, there seems like little doubt that the company was pretty much just banking on the Hogan/Flair showdown and a handful of "surprise" cameos in order to keep them viable against what is obviously a white-hot competitor in WWE as they enter the home stretch towards their annual Showcase of the Immortals.
In other words --
TNA got beat, and got beat bad. But they knew going into it that a certain degree of beating was inevitable. And until WrestleMania has come and gone, they know too well that WWE will continue to maintain some serious momentum, and this fact is not likely to change. As such -- TNA would be well-served to spend the next few weeks licking their wounds, playing to their strengths, and gearing up for a *proper* debut (and not just a one trick pony) once WrestleMania 26 is in the books and WWE is left to start their booking year off on a brand new page.
Again, it won't be easy -- but it will most definitely be necessary if TNA has any real aspirations of hanging in this fight for the long haul. And the longer the "war" can remain viable? The longer wrestling fans all over the world can enjoy the fruits of solid and hard-fought competition.
Failing that?
At least we'll get a few more months of cooky "celebrity" guest hosts and wacky in-ring cameo appearances from mid-nineties nobodies before Hulkster finally calls it a careeer and one company or another ultimately throws in the towel.
(Hint: it's probably not the one on the NYSE).
And With That, I'm Outta' Here
So ends another week of 'rasslin news. Thanks again for reading, all -- and have a great Saint Patrick's day wherever you may be (after all, everyone is an honorary Irishman on St. Pat's, right?). 'Till next week, be safe, be intermittently sober as the situation demands, and always stay positive.
hogan stole rvd's thunder (no pun intended) big time monday night.
rvd gets destroyed. hogan comes out and security is stopping hulk from sting, yet the beating in the ring continues, and who comes in at the end for the big save? not rvd.
Posted By: pro life (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:12 PM
VINTAGE MEEHAN!
Posted By: Cole Slaw (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:13 PM
I haven't been able to suffer through re-watching this week's iMPACT, but one site said Hogan was in 7 segments.
7 segments? If that is true, that is completely horse shit. All for what?
That beloved .98 rating I guess....
Posted By: Mikey!!!! (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM
RAW-3.4
iMPACT-1.0
Tell me why WWE is worried again. Don't tell me the rating will improve becuase this is as big as it is going to get. Why you ask?
They hyped the big move to Mondays. They had HOGAN returning to the ring. They had FLAIR returning to the ring. They had Abyss and AJ in there as well. Hall and Pac confronting Nash in the ring. There were rumors of Sting returning that night. Rumors of RVD returning that night. Also Jeff Hardy was rumored to be returning.
Ain't no Monday night iMPACT ever gonna get any bigger than that...
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Pretty sure Taz is just an American Italian, and not black.
Posted By: NOMNOMNOM (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:40 PM
After last week's debacle, it's actually a good thing that there's no Kayfabesbook this week
Posted By: Guest#0252 (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM
With the 3 reqs to be a superstar and Shelton do you think he could ever change that, look at JBL, he didn't have much of a look and was a midcard tag team semi-comedy guy in the APA for awhile. He broke that when he got to be himself and had a run that nobody would have ever predicted he would have had back when he was just a lacky for Taker.
Posted By: midcard madness (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Jericho pinned The Rock with a Rock Bottom at some point in their 2001 feud.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Hulk Hogan beat DDP with the Diamond Cutter during his nWo run. Somewhere around the time of the Rodman/Karl Malone mess.
Posted By: Cory (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Taz real name is Peter Senerchia. doesnt sound black to me. either italian or puerto rican. ill go with italian.
Posted By: Morgan Fisher (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:04 AM
taz is italian
Posted By: duh (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:16 AM
Taz isn't black, he's Sicilian. Mediterranean islanders tend to look like that (my dad, who's from one of the Greek isles, used to get mistaken for a Mexican all the time).
Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:44 AM
I'm from Brooklyn, obviously I'm Puerto Rican
Posted By: Taz (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:46 AM
"Though really, when you think about it -- a diving shoulder tackle into the gut would probably hurt a WHOLE lot more when coming from a bigger, stronger dude than from a smaller, faster dude. I mean, that's basic laws of motion"
F = MA. (Force = Mass x ACCELERATION)
A smaller guy can hurt just as much if he's fast enough. Ask anyone who's played football ... he'll tell you it's true. Force = Mass x ACCELERATION.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:51 AM
Matt Hardy has been my favorite wrestler for a long time, so it's nice to see someone on here who is a fan and isn't taking pot-shots at his weight issues. Although I disagree about his charisma and showmanship being lacking. The guy is a natural entertainer and even though his promo skills aren't that great (though they've gotten light years better and are pretty decent when he's a heel), he still gets monster pops from the crowd with or without his brother. Jeff's been gone for a while, and Matt turned heel on him massively last year, yet the crowd still pops for him like crazy. That's charisma.
Posted By: SeanAltly (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:03 AM
Sell of the week to MARK HENRY? Mark Henry... SELL OF THE WEEK? You lost it right there.
Posted By: Guest#3483 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:45 AM
Matt Hardy has been my favorite wrestler for a long time, so it's nice to see someone on here who is a fan and isn't taking pot-shots at his weight issues. Although I disagree about his charisma and showmanship being lacking. The guy is a natural entertainer and even though his promo skills aren't that great (though they've gotten light years better and are pretty decent when he's a heel), he still gets monster pops from the crowd with or without his brother. Jeff's been gone for a while, and Matt turned heel on him massively last year, yet the crowd still pops for him like crazy. That's charisma.
Posted By: SeanAltly (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:03 AM
He sounds like a hick when he talks. He doesn't have much charisma. And he's sort of ugly. He's over because "Hardy" has become a huge name in WWE history. But that's because of the tag team and his brother. Matt is pretty much where he deserves to be. A US or IC title is about the best he can ever hope for.
Posted By: Guest#0108 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:57 AM
Matt Hardy doesn't have the X Factor to be a true Superstar in the game. Which means he doesn't have the cajones to step out of the shadow and leave the WWE. The only way Vince McMahon cares about you is if you prove you don't need him. As long as Matt Hardy, Shelton Benjamin and Christian are content to be midcard and average Superstars and won't push themselves to do anything but take whatever the WWE will give them, they will always be midcarders and their lives and potential will pass them by.
Sure they'll make the Hall of Fame... but so did Koko B. Ware.
Posted By: The Weesel (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:58 AM
Meehan, i liked the cut of your jib, one could say it is an excellently cut jib, a laser precision cut type jib. but seriously, what is with you, and many people on this site, having a crack at those who enjoy a few smokables every now and then? Do you want to join the straight edge society? straight edge does not mean your better than anyone, it just means your boring as fuck. Perhaps you had tongue planted in cheek and were taking the piss a little bit, but it gets tiresome reading this crap on this site.
Posted By: KMac (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:06 AM
Peter Senerchia *sp?* (Taz) is an Italian, or a Sicilian name. It's very possible that he's Sicilian/Southern Italian. Many of them tend to be very dark. Partially due to their location and possible admixture from the Moors when they conquered the area hundreds of years ago. Moors were from North Africa. Not black like West Africans but very dark like Egyptians.
Posted By: racialscientistovahhere (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:20 AM
"Though really, when you think about it -- a diving shoulder tackle into the gut would probably hurt a WHOLE lot more when coming from a bigger, stronger dude than from a smaller, faster dude. I mean, that's basic laws of motion"
F = MA. (Force = Mass x ACCELERATION)
A smaller guy can hurt just as much if he's fast enough. Ask anyone who's played football ... he'll tell you it's true. Force = Mass x ACCELERATION.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:51 AM
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Acceleration =/= Speed.
Generally, you're probably gonna run only a little bit faster than another human, a couple of meters per second per second better acceleration (if we're going by SI units), whereas a person can be many more kilograms heavier, meaning that that's going to have a more significant effect on the force than the acceleration.
So somebody the size of Batista who outweighs Edge by 20kg will have a better effect than Edge who has an acceleration of about 1 SI Unitbetter than Batista.
Posted By: Guest#4942 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:21 AM
Where is kayfabebook???????? Booooooooooh
Posted By: Tnangle (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:28 AM
..."I have no doubt that a number of wrestling fans will have already commented on this review to say how wonderful a show they thought it was before my comment posts. I'm sure some of them may even go as far as to claim some kind of victory for TNA tonight. And of these fans, all I ask is - why? Why did you like this show? Did you like it because you felt that it was a high quality wrestling show on it's own merit? Or did you simply like it because of some hatred toward WWE, and the fact that this show isn't owned by Vince McMahon?"
Posted By: Cortez (Guest) on March 08, 2010 at 11:56 PM
No sir, some of us liked it because even though TNA isn't the greatest yet, or didn't have the best show, it still had a show that was ENTERTAINING. In the end that is what we want to be, entertained, and they did that. I didn't get Entertained from RAW. I haven't been entertained by WWE since 2001. That is bad considering they were the only company for years and they are the superior company. Can you sit there and tell me that Hogan and Flair arent more entertaining than Sheamus and HHH?. I would rather see the worst character TNA has to offer than look at Sheamus as Champion. Funny some people complained about Flair wrestling, these are the same ones that cheered him in WWE not but two years ago. People might call him a sellout after the HBK match but in all honesty Sting should have been the one to retire him, now that is possible. Those that complain about RVD coming in for two seconds in a match are the same ones that cheered him entering the Rumble for 5 minutes. Remember who won the match people RVD did, yes all be it two seconds but Sting put him over... STING. If this was bad He would have came in and just lost the match. Yes he was beaten down and I wished that he wrestled a full match, but that is how you build storylines people. Jeff Hardy admits that he didnt even do the Swanton. Before complaining, people need to see where the show goes. They are building storylines, that is business. They aren't making ONE MEGA IMPACT, they want you to see their SHOW. The want you to tune in next week to see RVD's retaliation or Jeff Hardy against AJ which i believe they are doing next week. To be honest I grew up just like you, watching ECW, WCW, and WWE. I was a big WWE until they disapointed me week in and out. WWE will always have ratings, production, and will always be the bigger company. But, as of now, the true wrestling fans know what company has the better talent and better wrestling.
Posted By: ant (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:53 AM
Good call on Mark Henry.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 05:44 AM
"Has anyone lost to their own finisher?"
Owen Hart beat Triple H with a pedigree at Over the Edge 98. It was a 6 man with Owen, D-Lo and Kama vs. Triple H, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn.
Posted By: johnson316 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 07:04 AM
"And now that I've buttered you up sufficiently..."
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Uh... seemed to me like the only buttering up was your own ego...
(Let's ignore the fact most kids on here get out of school on the day, and subsequent day, this appears on the main wrestling page...)
And then after massaging your own ego, you continue doing so with an extended version of 'what I think on the topic my minion's direct towards Myself'...
I like you dude but you're slipping back to the half-assed columns you were shitting out last year. At least the pretentious egomania was acceptable when you were dishing out packed columns - with or without the Facebook thing - but not so much now.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 07:36 AM
Taz is Sicilian. His cousin, IRL, is former ECW House of Hardcore graduate Chris Chetti (they made mention of this quite often in ECW, and used it sparingly in angles), who looks like he'd be right at home on the Jersey Shore. Given that they're first cousins? Dead giveaway that Taz is of Italian descent.
But yes, he does look quite black. I thought he was for the longest time, too.
Posted By: AndrewCrow (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 07:51 AM
I think the fact that Shelton is black hurts him too. Not many black wrestlers have ever had big success in the WWE. Shelton has all of the in-ring tools. As a matter of fact he is better than Jeff Hardy, and he and Jeff are both pretty mediocre in the talking department. Yet after all the crap Jeff has given the WWE he still is a multi-time World Champ. Merchandise sales may have something to do with it, but very few people sell merchandise like Jeff Hardy. Sheamus and Edge were champs too and they don't sell stuff at that level. And come on, while never a champ, Koslov beat the Undertaker clean and was a title contender for months. He has no promo skills at all and I'm sure didn't sell a dime's worth of t-shirts. And the ultimate champ with low level ring skills and promo ability (until last week after years of crap) Batista!
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 08:08 AM
"hogan stole rvd's thunder (no pun intended) big time monday night.
rvd gets destroyed. hogan comes out and security is stopping hulk from sting, yet the beating in the ring continues, and who comes in at the end for the big save? not rvd."
Posted By: pro life (Guest) on March 11, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Did you watch the show? Hogan didn't make the save either.
Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 08:48 AM
a few smackdowns ago, matt striker explained why edge's spear was so effective. his lanky frame, compared to batista and show, makes edge cut through his opponent.
also as MDK said, the hard hitters in football and even hockey arent necessarilly the biggest, just the fastest.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:00 AM
Taz has commented that he is Italian but has been mistaken for being half-black in the past. Promoters made the mistake and decided that despite his height he still had the look.
Posted By: Pete (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:02 AM
Eric & Hogan are trying to recapture lightning in a bottle..
All I'm hoping for is some good tv for however long it lasts...
Then TNA can go back to another night...
Posted By: Guest#2544 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:06 AM
Does anyone else think Owen Hart's widow looks a lot like Owen in drag? It's kind of creepy.
Posted By: Milton Berle's dong (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:28 AM
IN THE 2010 RACIAL DRAFT...the blacks take: tazz....and give back orlando jordan and lashley
Posted By: wham bam bigelow (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:34 AM
it was cool to see jason stantham get a win over x pac the other night
Posted By: sid delicious (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:36 AM
If Taz is Sicilian, then he's part eggplant.
Posted By: Clifford Worley (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:37 AM
Force =/= mass x acceleration. Force = mass x velocity^2. Though your premise that the speed of an object affects force more than the mass is true, but only because the velocity is squared and is more of a variable since every time the person performing the move would be traveling at a different speed.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:45 AM
Though really, when you think about it -- a diving shoulder tackle into the gut would probably hurt a WHOLE lot more when coming from a bigger, stronger dude than from a smaller, faster
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Well especially when you consider Edge used to just walk while doing the Spear instead of running. He's gotten better about you know, actually charging into his opponents over the last few weeks. (Still a guy with a bum neck and is injury prone doing the Spear? Seems like an accident waiting to happen.)
Oh as for Hardy, I actually liked Matt better than Jeff. Ok, I actually refer to him as "Nascar Jeff Hardy" since I figure with his style half the audience really watches him to see him involve himself in some horrific crash. (I'm honestly surprised he's still wrestling after all the crazy stuff he's done in the ring.)
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:51 AM
Does anyone think that TNA replaying on Thursday ,the Monday night show will affect the ratings they aer hoping to get
Posted By: Guest#9595 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:53 AM
Tazz has a Sicilian last name which according to Dennis Hopper means he's at least part... um... "black".
Quentin-xaggeration aside, this is true. Though the Moors weren't the only African people to land on Sicily; claiming that would be like saying Columbus discovered America.
Posted By: Guest#4577 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 10:13 AM
edge is cool,but i could never buy the spear from him...kinda like christian's frog splash.oh yeah, raise your mouse if u think anybody gotta better spear than goldberg.rhyno-almost
Posted By: sid delicious (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Great column again, Meehan. And a plug for NDVH - very nice!
Posted By: Blake Beverly (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM
"Taz isn't black, he's Sicilian. Mediterranean islanders tend to look like that"
See Dennis Hopper's monologue in "True Romance" for more on that subject.
Posted By: Guest#2477 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM
No Kaygaysbook! Hooray! God that part of the column was not funny nor needed. Thanks for scrapping it.
And I agree about Mike Knox. I can't remember seeing him get a win. He's basically a jobber to the midcard faces.
Posted By: Yea!! (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM
After watching the TNA replay last night, i found it funny that the security all came out to keep Hogan from getting in the ring, but NO ONE tried to stop Sting from hitting RVD over and over and over again with the bat! Shouldnt security have been in the ring stopping Sting, and not Hogan?
Posted By: Huh? (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM
TOTW should go to David Otunga for failing to sell, even a wee bit, the grapevine leglock Danielson had on him; he was jumping around and posing after Truth got the win. Terrible.
I think everyone from your hardcore smart to your casual wrestling fan would've bought Matt Hardy as a World Champ back in '03. His moveset was very innovative and exciting at the time (I was a HUGE mark for the Side Effect) and his character was badass. He could have easily segued his goofy cult into an sXs-lite group and had at the very least a decent title run. The problem is 2003 was all about Lesnar on SmackDown and Hunter on Raw so the main event landscape wasn't available to him. I'd have enjoyed it though.
Foley technically lost to his own finisher...applied by himself. Rather than submit to Ken Shamrock's ankle lock he applied the Mandible Claw to himself. It was a pretty awesome moment. And after Booker T co-opted the Rock Bottom as his Book End he was ultimately beat by "his" move at SummerSlam 2001.
In regards to rope-running (whihc is just something you accept when you watch wrestling) I've noticed several guys lately are doing the I-throw-you-and-follow-you-stop-and-turn-and-I-hit-you move which is all kinds of win.
Nothing wrong with Coldplay.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 12:40 PM
"WWE will always have ratings, production, and will always be the bigger company. But, as of now, the true wrestling fans know what company has the better talent and better wrestling.
Posted By: ant (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:53 AM"
Nasty Boys = better talent?
Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:09 PM
Man, still a bit down on TNA, are ye?
RVD got a quick win over Sting because Sting was unprepared and he was caught by suprise (in kayfabe). It kinda added to Sting's heel turn and viciousness that he got revenge after the bell.
They do this with Batista/Cena and the IWC creams themsevles over what a well-done storyline it is. TNA does it and everybody craps all over it.
Just give the storyline time to flesh out and a return match to *properly* happen, and then you can decide whether it was a good or bad move.
Posted By: Guest#6295 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 01:20 PM
"I wanna' start this week by thanking you all once again for making this weekly column the single most commented-on news report on the entire site. Week after week, the FreeThinks draws some MONSTER feedback, and routinely ends up receiving more comments than any of the other equally solid news reports that surround it (all of which are quality -- yes, even Small's)."
Getting a lot of comments isn't such a good thing when most of those comments were complaining about how unfunny Kayfabebook was.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:25 PM
@ mogamer - I really like Benjamin, but Jeff Hardy moveset tends to add to Hardy's charisma. It gets more pops from the crowd and actually adds to his character (ala RVD). Benjamin still for the most part works a grounded style match with the occasional popping move. Hardy's moves give him more charisma than Benjamin. And while his mic work is still weak, it's still better than Benjmain's.
@ ant - I like TNA but to say that they have better wrestling at the present time is no longer true. What good wrestling have they been offering us lately? Yes, the triple threat was good. But c'mon, TNA has been SHIT since then. Yes, we are given the occasional decent match, but not very often. Hogan/Bischoff have fucked TNA out of what they did best. Now we get the same bullshit "swerves for swerves sake," but the in-ring product isn't making up for it. Also, I'm not going to do it but I believe if you listed the top 20 in-ring performers (not top 20 sports entertainers), WWE's product would be equal if not better than TNA's. This unconditional love has to stop. TNA is doing NXT numbers. Let's face it, the product has sucked for months. The powers that be have fucked up every potentially exciting event they've had. I hope it works out in the long run but I'm starting to have major doubts.
Posted By: Big Fat Fag (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:44 PM
Man Julie Hart is an ugly woman
Posted By: Guest#8263 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:52 PM
RE: Shelton Benjamin
This is a guy who would really benefit from a manager. He needs someone to do his talking.
In the ring, his problem has been consistency. He doesn't mess up much, but when he does, it's bad. Really bad.
Other than that, he has freaky skills. He has the amateur background, he's strong, a good size, and he's more agile than he has any right to be.
I would recommend putting him back in the tag division. A team with Swagger might be cool. Or the Gold Standard could team with Goldust.
Posted By: Guest#9092 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 02:52 PM
From a kayfabe perspective, it made perfect sence:
Hasn't Henry been a face for like almost a year now? The only thing that makes sense is that WWE constantly does random shit like this so we should expect the lack of booking logic.
Posted By: c'mon.. (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 03:23 PM
So somebody the size of Batista who outweighs Edge by 20kg will have a better effect than Edge who has an acceleration of about 1 SI Unitbetter than Batista.
Posted By: Guest#4942 (Guest)
Except that Batista barely moves, he sorta leans over to spear someone.
Posted By: Guest#5427 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 03:34 PM
Acceleration =/= Speed.
Generally, you're probably gonna run only a little bit faster than another human, a couple of meters per second per second better acceleration (if we're going by SI units), whereas a person can be many more kilograms heavier, meaning that that's going to have a more significant effect on the force than the acceleration.
So somebody the size of Batista who outweighs Edge by 20kg will have a better effect than Edge who has an acceleration of about 1 SI Unitbetter than Batista.
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Let's say Edge's weight is 100kg, and Batista is 120kg. That would be 20% in favour for Batista.
When you then consider that the fastest athletes run about a 100 m in 10 seconds, their acceleration becomes:
x = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2
Solving for x0=0, x=100, v0=0 and t=10s gives you an acceleration of 2.
So as you can see, an increase in acceleration of 1m/s^2 has quite a larger impact than the 20kgs.
So yes, Edge could theoretically deliver the spear with more force than Batista.
Posted By: AdoubleJ (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:02 PM
Does anyone think that TNA replaying on Thursday ,the Monday night show will affect the ratings they aer hoping to get
Posted By: Guest#9595 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:53 AM
It could,being that some people might just think I can watch RAW and then watch the TNA replay...and that will hurt them.
In a whole though TNA die hard fans will watch the show monday night regardless of the replay.
Posted By: The Reaper (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:35 PM
Force =/= mass x acceleration. Force = mass x velocity^2. Though your premise that the speed of an object affects force more than the mass is true, but only because the velocity is squared and is more of a variable since every time the person performing the move would be traveling at a different speed.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:45 AM
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Wow, Dave, you are wrong.
Newton's second law dictates that Force = Mass x Acceleration.
Velocity squared is not acceleration. Thankfully we don't like in a world where your ridiculous physics rules would see a spear by Edge cut a man in half.
Posted By: Guest#2187 (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:53 PM
Matt Hardy's my fave wrestler, and even I have to agree that the dude lacks natural charisma. He really needs to work on his delivery, and yeah, his physique a little bit more. He's already a fine wrestler, and very over with the crowd.
Goldberg had the best spears. Stiff as hell-- and nice to look at.
Posted By: butch (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:01 PM
No one mentions Yoko beating Hogan with the LEGDROP??
Posted By: STAYMATIC (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 09:08 PM
Kane lost to a tombstone
Posted By: Taker (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 11:14 PM
Just to get this out of the way E = mv^2 and W = FD = E so that gives us the following F=MV^2/D. In other words the average force will be mass times the square of velocity divided over the distance the force is applied. (Why yes, I have had some physics.)
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 13, 2010 at 12:59 AM
Let's say Edge's weight is 100kg, and Batista is 120kg. That would be 20% in favour for Batista.
When you then consider that the fastest athletes run about a 100 m in 10 seconds, their acceleration becomes:
x = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2
Solving for x0=0, x=100, v0=0 and t=10s gives you an acceleration of 2.
So as you can see, an increase in acceleration of 1m/s^2 has quite a larger impact than the 20kgs.
So yes, Edge could theoretically deliver the spear with more force than Batista.
Posted By: AdoubleJ (Guest) on March 12, 2010 at 04:02 PM
Striker needs to break this shit out.
Posted By: Joe Schmoe (Guest) on March 13, 2010 at 03:13 PM
Owen Hart has tapped to Bret's Sharpshooter I'm pretty sure and The Undertaker and Kane have both beat The Big Show with a Chokeslam.
Posted By: Crook (Guest) on March 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM
The best spear would be if the wrestler tripped, and it ended as a flying headbutt to the nuts.
Posted By: Guest#9482 (Guest) on March 13, 2010 at 10:53 PM
all this talk of spears and physics ,is making my groin burn and twizich
Posted By: lanny poffo (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Wow, I came to read wrestling and got a physics lesson. That is a compliment. Way better than "UR a dumb mark. Matt is the shit! I mean SHITTY! LOL!!!"
Anyway, besides the fact they wasted a perfectly good introduction for RVD, I hate that they threw away Sting vs. RVD with no build-up and ended it in twenty seconds. As I recall, this is a first-ever match. The old WCW formula is starting to come to play; they are using the X-Division in the same exact role as the Cruiserweights.
As for Monday, I was tempted and read the spoilers for TNA. I, actually, want to watch just to see how it could be pulled off as anything better than mediocre. They better do some sort of St. Patty's day thing for Sheamus; I would mark out. But, please don't lump McIntyre into that category: As a proud Scotsmen, I feel the pain for being lumped with the Irish. Why can't we have a holiday? And, yes, a smaller man moving fast beats a larger man moving slower every time. However, Show has an INCREDIBLE amount of mass AND weight, probably nearly double what Edge has so... I don't know.
Those RVD jokes were WAY too easy.
Posted By: ThePants (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Yeah, MAtt loves the business so much that he exercises every day and keeps himself in tip top shape. you moron
Posted By: p h (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 01:05 PM
The first iwc or ywc commentator to point out the fact that tna will be surely getting their asses handed to them in the ratings war until wrestlemania is over and that tna is probably fully aware of this. For them not to be would be very..."Tna" of them, lol.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 01:41 PM
If Rey Mysterio Jr with his velocity ever did a spear, he would tear right through a persons gut ripping them in half.
Posted By: Guest#6013 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 09:23 PM
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