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The Contentious Ten 03.15.10: Top 10 WrestleMania Matches
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 03.15.2010



Okay, not much space, not much time, you all know why we're here, let's get going.

No Taker? Come on.

Batista's bodyslam of Taker through a table should be mentioned.

No suicide dive from WM 25? That's what made the match.

Posted By: ROH Commish


I believe I did a column two weeks ago focuing entirely on Undertaker's Streak, so I have no guilt about not having Undertaker moments on the list. That was deliberate. As for the dive, I included it in my "Holy Shit" Moments list. Many people listed one or more of those moments as worthy of the top ten; however, I felt that choosing one over all of the others was a bit pretentious (not to mentioning difficult to write a paragraph on), and exclusive. Grouping them together as an honorable mention was my way of honoring them without lifing up one moment as the best of the bunch, since that's a debate I just don't want to get into. Fair enough?

Next we have a long comment from The REAL MP, which I'll answer in bits.

I love WrestleMania and am about ready to go through them all again, so let's do this right:

The first 'Mania really needs SOMETHING on there. I'd say just the entrances of all the celebrities as the big time moment, although my personal favorite part is Piper's entrance with the full bag pipe band (there's a name for that I'm forgetting). I find that show to be totally watchable and a bit underrated.

Hogan/Warrior might be a top 5 moment for me, it was huge and unthinkable at the time. Rock/Hogan is still more unthinkable though, since the Monday Night War and his age made it seem like Hogan would never be back.


Wrestlemania I is totally watchable, but I felt that Rose was a better celebrity moment and couldn't think of anything else that really deserved top ten over what I included. Hogan/Warrior competed with Hogan/Rock; with the Slam at the top, I didn't want TOO much Hogan, so I went with the more outlandish one.

I think Bret's title win at X has a place on there. That's gotta be the biggest moment in his career and a validation of him being the real top guy at the time. I'd argue that it's just as big as Shawn's first title win. What about Shawn's entrance on the zip line? It's up there with Hogan slams Andre in terms of most re-played.

XIV is a tremendously entertaining show, glad to see you like it. That was actually the first WWF PPV I watched live (on TV). Austin's win and Tyson KO'ing Michaels are probably the two biggest oversights on this list. Also among the most re-played.


One word: diversity. I didn't want Austin dominating the list, so I chose his two best moments out of his four big ones. Also, I didn't want title wins dominating the list, so I only included HBK's since the celebration was all about the title. HOWEVER, upon reconsideration, the Mike Tyson involvement would have fit my desire to have a celebrity moment (hence Pete Rose), so I would probably swap the two out if I redid the list and replace HBK's title win with the zip-line entrance.

Austin's last match at XIX is another personal favorite. Knowing what we know now about all the circumstances surrounding it, it has all the emotion of Flair's "retirement match" but in a lot more manly way if you ask me.

I considered it, but again, back to diversity, and I felt that Austin turning was a bigger moment for Austin-Rock and that Flair was the better retirement. It was pretty perfect though and I should have included it in the honorable mentions.

Finally, HBK kicks out of the tombstone? Might be premature since the rematch could be a worse match and yet still a bigger moment since the stakes are so high.

Personal opinion: Taker's facial expression ruined that for me. It broke character in a ridiculous, humourous way. I shouldn't be laughing at someone kicking out of the Tombstone. And yeah, the streak ending or HBK's retirement will easily top it for Mania Moments.

Hubbard, I'd really appreciate if you reply to this comment next week.

If Benoit hadn't done what he done 3 years ago, where do you imagine yourself putting the Benoit and Eddie moment at Wrestlemania XX?

Posted By: Guest#5111


I didn't even consider the events of June 2007 in regards to the list, so the question is somewhat irrelevent. Regardless of the feel-goody-ness, it can't top Hogan-Andre for historical signficance or Austin's babyface turn. Those were top two before I even started the rest of the list. I flip-flopped that moment and the Savage-Liz reunion a couple of times, but ultimately chose to go with my gut; I enjoy Savage-Liz more.

For the last time, Benoit's final actions will rarely, IF EVER, have any bearing on the placement of this list. I probably won't include him on a "Greatest Wrestlers of All Time" list, since the conotation of "Greatest" is different than "Best", and I certainly can't call him one of my favorites anymore, so if I ever do that list he won't make it past the honorable mentions. However, his actions do not affect the quality of his matches nor do they affect the ingenious booking of several of his best moments.

If other people want to pretend Chris Benoit never existed, fine by me. They have a right to do that and I respect it. However, I have made my peace with that; my reasons for being able to move on would spark a debate that I don't want to start again, since this column has gifted me with a larger audience that doesn't know everything about me. If you can't accept that and really want to know, you can e-mail me and we'll discuss it in private.

Now, onto the list.

Honorable Mentions:

Since there have been so many great matches at Wrestlemania over the years, I'm going to actually go full-bore and give you TEN honorable mentions, in no particular order. Each of these could have made the top ten, yet I excluded them for reasons which I will explain under each blurb.

The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan, Wrestlemania X-8: Whenever people talk about dream matches, one match need never be brought up, because in 2002, the stars aligned for the biggest star in professional wrestling to argue with a man who was just as charismatic and almost as popular. The atmosphere was electric in Toronto Skydome as the two icons clashed, but The Rock ultimately overcame the Immortal One. The match was excluded from the top ten to focus more on matches that delivered from a technical and storytelling standpoint, but only a select few can match this for intensity.

Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage, Wrestlemania VIII: While the World Wrestling Federation missed the boat by not giving us the long awaited Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan match, this was quite the consolation prize. Flair's technical acumen and villainous tactics meshed beautifully with Savage's wild brawling and fighting spirit. A big moment for both men as Flair got to defend as champion at the biggest WWF show of the year and Savage got a second run with the WWF Title after a long, bumpy odyssey. While an excellent match, this one will always be remembered as a substitute for Hogan vs. Flair, which is why I chose not to include it in the final ten.

Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle, Wrestlemania XIX: On a show that saw The Rock end Steve Austin's career and Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan wage war on each other, this main event brought the "Wrestle" in Wrestlemania. The challenger was an NCAA Heavyweight Wrestling Champion in College and the champion was an Olympic Gold Medalist. Angle and Lesnar put on an excellent wrestling match, but ultimately put over two stars who would not be in WWE much longer; Lesnar would go to football and then MMA, while Angle would go to TNA. It's lack of long term impact, and the fact that there are better technical matches, keep this in the honorable mentions

Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan, Wrestlemania V: A personal favorite of mine and the blueprint for what a Wrestlemania main event should be; the top babyface defeating the top heel in a match with a compelling, emotional storyline. With a personal history as a tag team and jealousy over Miss Elizabeth's loyalty, these two tore the house down, and as Jesse Ventura said, "this is truly what the words 'Main Event' was meant for." However, I recognize that I may be exceptional biased to this one and my esteem for it is generally unshared, so I shall not include it on the main list.

Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania XXIV: I can hear this decision getting the Cena reaction, as some are jubilant and some are crying "What?" Personally speaking, I prefer this match to HBK-Angle AND HBK-Taker (heresy, I know) because they don't freaking lean on each other to get up, but that's just me. Part wrestling clinic and part in-ring tribute to Ric Flair, arguably the best of all time, this is near the top of my favorites. Objectively, I can't say it's definitive top ten material.

The Ultimate Warrior vs. Randy Savage, Wrestlemania VII: Regular readers will know that I have no love lost for WOYAH, but they might also recall that this match lead to my favorite 'Mania moment ever. Savage worked some unbelievable magic in here, and to Warrior's credit, he plays along with the story to perfection. I also have to give credit to Sherri Martel, who added so much to this match. This was definitely in consideration for the top ten, but eventually I had to drop it for the rest of the ones that did make it. Still a great match, Warrior's best and one of Savage's best as well.

Chris Jericho vs. Christian vs. Kane vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Edge vs. Chris Benoit, Wrestlemania 21: Oh what a glorious match that came out of nowhere. This was basically an excuse to show off RAW's awesome upper-midcard from 2004-2005ish, and while ladder matches are fun and the stipulation was cool, I didn't give this much thought to the match coming into it. Turns out, with great storytelling, awe-inspiring and innovative spots, and a ton of creativity, the match very nearly stole the show. It's the reason Money in the Bank has become a yearly tradition, but none have lived up the original in my estimation. Great match that I can't really justify putting in the top ten.

Andre the Giant vs. Hulk Hogan, Wrestlemania III: My original thought was to have this match at number ten; however, after highlighting the Slam Heard 'Round The World as the Greatest Wrestlemania Moment, I have fewer reservations about it being kept in the honorable matches. The match always deserves to be discussed in great Wrestlemania matches, but again, I chose to focus on matches who delivered great wrestling.

Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania XII: Opinions on this one run the gamut; most consider it a great match, some even call it the best ever. Others call it overrated and simply good, and a very select few call it a boring waste of sixty minutes. I'm somewhere in between; I recognize the faults and love the match anyway. Regardless, it was a very important match. However, I feel it has too many faults to warrant a spot in the top ten.

Mick Foley vs. Edge, Wrestlemania 22: This is one I'm sure is going to get a lot of mention in the comments section, and it does have many of the things I'm looking for. Two big name stars, a show stealer, hard work, intensity, a Wrestlemania moment, standing out from the crowd, and left both guys better for having the match. Foley got his 'Mania moment and Edge came out a bigger star. Ultimately, I had to make a decision to leave this out simply because the ten I picked were better or more important.

X
Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior
WWF Championship vs. Intercontinental Championship Match, Wrestlemania VI





One of those rare Hulk Hogan matches where the spectacle of his matches with Andre and The Rock met with the work ethic of his matches with Antonio Inoki and Randy Savage. To say the crowd was rabid for this match would be an absolute understatement; the site of the two biggest babyfaces in the WWF, one the symbol of it's prosperity and the icon of the present, the other presumably the man who will carry the company into the next decade, staring each other down, shoving each other and battling in a Greco-Roman Knucklelock like two Greek Gods had the crowd losing their minds. The match was exactly what it needed to be; a titanic struggle between two unstoppable forces, and while parts a bit goofy (the criss-cross which serves no purpose, the knee that just "pops" back into place for no reason, and the usual Hogan and Warrior superhero wackiness), it does have the traits of a good wrestling match: hard work, a heat segment, comebacks, and a surprisingly complicated finishing sequence where one finisher plays right into the other.

Regular readers will know that I have a soft-spot in my heart for Hulk Hogan, and will also know that the Ultimate Warrior doesn't usually entertain me. This match is one of the few exceptions; while I wouldn't suggest repeated viewings as the epic "battles within the battles" can get old really fast, the first time I saw this, I loved it and was left in awe of it. One of the best matches in either man's career, and while there may be matches that are better than this one that I left off of the list, I have to give these guys credit for delivering a great match and exceeding the expectations of critics. The passing of the torch moment is kind of ironic in retrospect; Warrior would prove to be unworthy of the torch, yet the moment is historic because it was Hogan's moment of true class, grace and character, and some would call it the defining moment of his career. A spectacle of a match that every wrestling fan should see once.

IX
Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels
Wrestlemania 21





By all rights, this match should never have been accepted by twenty-first century fans. Who would predict that this attention deficient generation of wrestling fans would accept a match where the first ten minutes was a simple story of Kurt Angle being unable to break out of a headlock? This is a storytelling tool from the sixties! And admittedly, if it were anyone else but Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle, two men universally respected for their achievements, talent, and passion, trying to get it over, it probably would have flopped. Of course, the match did eventually see crazy high spots and dramatic counters, so perhaps the fans were willing to sit through that to get to the "good stuff". I don't know, but the more I watch this, the more it baffles me that people were talking this up as an instant classic, a match for the ages! Not that it isn't a fantastic match (though riddled with problems), I'm just amazed it got over.

This would serve as the template for other "epic" matches at Wrestlemania, and it is a fantastic example of how to build a match from simple moves to big spots, and how to use body language to tell a story and take the audience on an emotional roller-coaster. I just don't see how this got it's reputation as anything other than a well-performed, well-thought out exhibition. Personally, I think it's just a great match between two great workers, and ultimately it doesn't have much long-term impact (Angle, who got a huge rub from making Shawn tap at 'Mania, would leave for TNA a year and a half later). That's good enough to make the top ten, but I have to think that anyone who hasn't seen the match and hears all the hype it's been given would ultimately be disappointed with it.

VIII
Edge & Christian vs. Matt & Jeff Hardy vs. Bubba Ray & D-Von Dudley
WWF Tag Team Championship Triangle Ladder Match, Wrestlemania 2000



Two major matches served as prequels to this one; the ladder match between E&C and the Hardyz at No Mercy '99, and the tables match between the Hardyz and the Dudleyz at Royal Rumble 2000. When WWE decided to throw all three teams together in a Triangle Ladder Match in their Wrestlemania debuts, they created a match that will steal the show and make the careers of the six men involved. While the two matches mentioned earlier were the first real "car-crash/stunt-show/let's-see-how-many-times-we-can-almost-die-but-live" matches, this was the pinnacle at the time, what they were all building too. While they would top themselves at Summer Slam with the first TLC match, this was their best and more important Wrestlemania match. TLC II had bigger, crazier spots and was in front of a larger audience, but by the time it took place, the three-way rivalry had devolved into a caricature and the teams were already established. Here, they were young and unproven, and the feud was new and exciting.

So many spots from this match stand out to me. Jeff Hardy's 450 degree splash that eats ladder, Bubba Ray's cutter off of the ladder, Edge spearing Jeff off the ladder, Bubba using Terry Funk's spinning ladder spot, Christians dive off the ladder to the floor, Jeff jumping into a thrown ladder by Bubba, D-Von's headbutt that sends him through a table, Edge's Russian Legsweep off the ladder to Matt that narrowly avoids the ropes, Bubba powerbombing Matt from the announce table through another table, and I could go on. It's a spectacle of amazing spot after amazing spot, and they keep getting wilder and wilder. The most iconic is Jeff Hardy standing on top of a twenty-foot ladder in the aisle-way, then leaping off, thousands of camera flashes going off to capture his short flight, and then crashing through Bubba Ray and a table in a Swanton Bomb. In the end, Edge would throw Matt off of a table held up by two ladders and through another table that just exploded, and E&C won their first of many tag-titles; it would be the first of many Wrestlemania moments for the future Rated R Superstar.

VII
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart
Wrestlemania X





There are very few matches that have infinite replay value, that you can watch over and over and over again and the magic is still there, it's just as entertaining as it was the first time you saw it. For me, the first time seeing it was around January 2006 as I perused through the matches of the Bret Hart DVD set that I got for Christmas. Since my brothers and I had been WCW loyalists during the '90's, I had never really seen Owen Hart in action. Bret I knew was a great performer, but I often wondered how good Owen was. In this match, Owen proved that he was just as technically sound as Bret, and more athletically gifted and more charismatic. The two brothers put on a real wrestling clinic that could very well be the best technical match of all time. And while the wrestling is virtually flawless, it would mean nothing without the emotional background to anchor it.

Fortunately, the story of a jealous brother sick of being overshadowed by his older brother, despite being just as talented if not more, resonates with most people. Some would cheer Bret, but there were plenty who saw Owen's side and wanted him to win. Coming into the match, Owen was Bret Hart's annoying punk little brother who wanted to make a point. Yet, through a combination of his talent, intelligence and ruthlessness (and possibly being underestimated by Bret) Owen was able to get a shocking, but entirely convincing win over his brother. The win made Owen's career. Technically sound, emotionally compelling, fiercely competitive, action-packed but grounded in psychology, this one belongs in the elite of Wresltemania classics. The match was pure wrestling perfection, and a symbol of everything a wrestling match should be.

VI
The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels
Wrestlemania XXV



Once again, I must point out that this match has been very unfairly over hyped; while it IS an amazing match, and I wouldn't even argue if someone wanted to give it five-stars (I wouldn't, but that's just me), it is far from flawless, and nowhere near the greatest match of all time, or even the best match in Wrestlemania history. From a technical standpoint, I think HBK and Undertaker can easily top this match this year. I think it is a disservice to this match to attach hyperbole on it; hyperbole attracts critics who will tear something about to the point where one can't enjoy it anymore. So let us call this what it is: a very dramatic match between two legends on the biggest stage imaginable that managed to live up to the hype in drama and exceeded expectations of it's technical aspects. Those are accomplishments that many said were impossible and speaks more thoroughly about the match than snowflakes ever could. It is enough that these two gave us the ultimate in fan-service.

The structure of the match and the character psychology make this match great. The first ten minutes see Undertaker furiously try to wear Shawn down, while Michaels ducks, weaves, and picks his spots to take advantage of the kinks in The Deadman's armor. The methodical approach works until Undertaker nearly ends the match with Hell's Gate, and Shawn's confidence turns to desperation as goes for a moonsault, which misses, and when 'Taker nearly kills himself on a dive, HBK prays, begging God to let him be counting out. When he isn't, the kid-gloves are off, and Michaels spends the rest of the match looking for an opportunity to kick The Phenom's teeth down his throat, but on two occasions, this does not earn him victory. As his clarity starts to slowly disintegrate, Undertaker grows more focused, unleashing his most Hellish offense: The Chokeslam, the Last Ride, and The Tombstone Piledriver, yet Michaels is able to survive each time. The finish shows the emotional and mental toll the match took on Shawn. At the beginning, he was calm and used his intelligence to gain an advantage. At the end, he goes for a stupid, reckless moonsault that ends up costing him the match, as Undertaker drops him on his head to win the match and crush his dreams. Shawn tried to catch the Leviathan, and it didn't happen.

V
Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat
Intercontinental Championship Match, Wrestlemania III





While Wrestlemania III will always be remembered for having the biggest match in wrestling history, some claim that the show also had the best match in history as well. While I would not go that far, the fact that Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat is talked about in the same reverent tones as Hogan and Andre speaks mountains about it's quality. Without a doubt, it was the greatest wrestling match in the World Wrestling Federation when it happened, and is the standard for Wrestlemania matches. Combining storytelling with lightning fast action, great character psychology, a big title change and a raucous crowd, the match has everything you look for in a classic.

Really, not a whole lot needs to be said about this match. If you've seen it, you know why people herald it as one of the best. If you haven't seen it, it's virtually impossible to explain things like why Ricky Steamboat, the ultimate good guy, grabs Savage by the throat a few minutes in, or why every roll-up means helps put over the story of Steamboat getting one last chance at the title, or how Savage's brief selling of his back makes the finish so much better. The match really speaks for itself, and no list of the Greatest Wrestlemania Matches would be complete without Savage vs. Steamboat.

IV
Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon
Intercontinental Championship Ladder Match, Wrestlemania X




There were ladder matches before, and there have been a select few ladder matches that have surpassed it since. Yet no ladder match has the legacy that this one has, and for good reason. As a ladder match, it is the blueprint and the standard to which all others are measured. But that is only the tip of the iceberg for it's historical significance; many critics cite this as the place where Shawn Michaels stopped being "a talented mid-carder that puts on good matches" and became a bonafide star. Certainly, this is the beginning of his singles greatness at the Big Dance, the first "Big Match Situation" for him to outperform all others. It also inspired countless wrestlers such as the Hardyz, Edge & Christian, Chris Jericho, Paul London and John Morrison to become great ladder match performers.

More importantly, this match was absolutely mind-boggling for wrestling fans, most of which had never even heard of a ladder match, much less seen one. The general consensus is that this will be a glorified pole match, where the wrestle for a bit, and then someone climbs the ladder and wins. So literally every thing they did with the ladder was new, fresh, exciting, and ground-breaking. Some argue that this match means nothing in light of "newer, crazier, more inventive" ladder matches. It's a relic, groundbreaking for it's time yet ultimately surpassed. To those who say this, I ask: Is Star Wars obsolete and any less innovative or groundbreaking in a world with Avatar? Watch the reaction of the crowd in this match; listen to them roar for every new move they perform. That's something that happens only in a select few matches. It is amazing that on the same night that Bret and Owen Hart showed wrestling fans exactly what a wrestling match should be, Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon were showing what a wrestling match could be.

III
The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin
WWF Championship No Disqualification Match, Wrestlemania X-SEVEN



First, a History Lesson: In the 1994, WCW hired Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in professional wrestling history, who had been with the WWF since 1983, and had redefined the business in the process. Sometime before this, they release Stunning Steve Austin, who is seen as nothing more than a good mechanic, and he eventually finds his way to the WWF, who see him in much the same light. Lured by the promise of Ted Turner's money, two of the WWF's biggest stars, Diesel and Razor Ramon, leave to go to WCW and form the New World Order with Hogan, eventually making WCW the biggest wrestling company in the world. Before they leave, they break kayfabe to show solidarity with their friends Shawn Michaels and Triple H; the WWF takes exception to this and punishes Triple H and gives his King of the Ring victory to Steve Austin. Austin beats Jake "The Snake" Roberts, cuts the "Austin 3:16" promo, and has an amazing feud with Bret Hart before turning babyface and becoming the future of the business, overcoming a career threatening neck injury at the hands of Owen Hart. Bret also decides to go to WCW, but does not want to drop the WWF Championship; Michaels, Hunter and Vince McMahon organize the Montreal Screwjob. Mr. McMahon becomes the most hated man in wrestling, and after Austin wins the belt from Michaels, who is forced to retire from a back injury, he becomes the nemesis to the champion. That rivalry allows the WWF to push past WCW in the ratings war.

During this time, the WWF hired a third-generation star with a great look and a natural charisma, and dubbed him Rocky Maivia. The fans turned on his white-meat babyface act, and they turned him heel, a role in which he excelled. Cutting amazing promos with an amazing cocky swagger, "The Rock" was embraced by the WWF fans, and Vince chose him as his corporate representative to face Austin. The Rock would lose to Austin at Wrestlemania XV, but instead of going down the card, he continued to grow into the company's second biggest star. Before 2000 came, Austin's injuries caught up with him, and he was forced to take a year off. During that time, Rock was pushed into his role, and became just as big a star as Austin in 2000. Austin returned, and these two were the favorite to win the Royal Rumble; The Rock was eliminated by Kane, who had been in the match for almost an hour, and only due to the use of a chair and by sheer force of will was Austin able to win the Rumble. Yet when it came time for him to settle a personal rivalry with Triple H, he lost, and lost soundly. Meanwhile, The Rock had become WWF Champion, defeating Kurt Angle, and Rock vs. Austin, the rematch is set for Wrestlemania. To make things more interesting, WCW goes out of business before the show happens; thanks to Austin, McMahon, and The Rock, the WWF has won the war.

What was once simply a title match is so much more. WCW is gone; this match is the battle of the two biggest stars since Hogan, and only one can win. Rock has yet to beat Austin in a fair-fight, but he is more seasoned now than he was two years ago. Austin, on the other hand, is breaking down, yet still wants to cling to the top. Two irresistible forces met two immovable objects; there was no cute feeling out process, no beating around the bush. Austin attacked Rock before the bell and never let up, and Rock would not give him an inch. In the end, Austin had to resort to truly desperate measures, aligning with Mr. McMahon. Before the match, Austin had it made No DQ so he could bend the rules however he wished, and before the match's end, the alliance was made public. Yet a chair shot could not keep Rock down, nor could Stunners; in a fit of jealous rage born out of pure need to be the best, Austin pummeled the Rock with a barrage of blows from the chair before pinning him and once again becoming WWF Champion. While not technically the best, the history and in-ring storytelling is almost without peer. Since this moment, pro wrestling has never been the same, and it likely never will.

II
Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit
World Heavyweight Championship Match, Wrestlemania XX



Some people call this the greatest triple-threat match of all time, and I'd be hard-pressed to argue with that. This was a situation where the performers used the specifics of the match to help tell their story, yet never allowed themselves to be contained by the conventions of it. They wrestled it like they would wrestle any other match; there just happened to be three guys involved. There are several amazing three-man spots in here; HBK's moonsault onto both Benoit and Hunter, Helmsley throwing HBK injured-shoulder first into Benoit in the tree of woe, Benoit breaking up the Pedigree with his hooking clothesline, Hunter preventing a physical tap-out from HBK trapped in Benoit's Crossface, the former DX partners double suplexing Benoit through a table, and HBK superkicking Benoit to break up his Sharpshooter on The Game all stand out to me. Yet none of these spots come across as contrived, and they work within the context of the match. Which is really what this match is about; taking an obviously very thorough script that tells every story point and has stories within the big story, and performing it in such a way that it looks almost accidental. Understandable: it's three of the best wrestlers of all time expected to deliver an epic main event at the twentieth Wrestlemania in Madison Square Garden. You want to script it out so that nothing goes wrong, but if they don't pull it off just right, it will fall on it's face. Somehow, these three men pulled off that miracle.

The originality behind this match just baffles me: you take Triple H, the top heel who everyone loathes, and you have him feud with Shawn Michaels, his best friend who made an awe-inspiring comeback to the ring, giving you a very personal, very deep rivalry. But you throw Benoit, a wrestling machine who just wrestled twenty-nine men over the course of an hour to earn his title shot, who doesn't care about their personal rivalry and just wants to achieve his dream, and it gets even more insane. There's so many moments in this match and every move counts; from a simple story of HBK trying over and over to hit a simple clothesline on Benoit, to the subtle design behind the unintentional teaming up where HHH sends Benoit to Shawn and HBK tosses Benoit out, which is mirrored by the very intentional suplex through the table. That one spot, and HBK's dramatic reaction to it, tells the story of the whole match. HBK needs to beat Hunter, and he'll do anything, even team up with him to take out Benoit, to do it. But Benoit's dream is greater, and he throws Shawn out of the ring and says it is his match to win, his title to hold. Making his point almost costs him, as Hunter hooks him up for the Pedigree, and everyone lets out a collective gasp. Then, amazingly, seamlessly, Benoit counters to the Crippler Crossface, and though the Champion gives a valiant fight, eventually, he must surrender his title, and Benoit achieves his dream. Regardless of the people involved or anything that has happened since then, this match is a masterpiece of booking and proof that professional wrestling can indeed transcend it's genre and truly be art.

I
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart
No Disqualification Submission Match, Wrestlemania 13



The debate over what the Greatest Match of All Time is will probably never be definitively ended. There is a huge difference between BEST and GREATEST as well; Hogan vs. Andre is a Greater Match that many that are better than it, because of it's impact. However, when people ask my opinion, this is my go-to match for the Greatest Match of All Time. I shall now make my argument. First of all, the in-ring action is amazing, a mix of wild brawling and technical wrestling that meshes beautifully and builds logically. The storytelling and psychology is fantastic, which should be no surprise given that Austin and Hart were two of the best storytellers in wrestling history. Moreover, the character dynamics are very special; Bret Hart is the veteran technical wrestler representing tradition and respect, and Austin is the no-frills badass brawler who cares about nobody but himself, representing the rebellion and coolness of a newer generation of fans. Despite their philosophical differences, both men have tremendous fighting spirit, which set up the stipulations where one man would have to give in and submit to the other. From a booking and wrestling standpoint, these two were made for each other.

Now, while all of that lends to the match being a classic, there are also very unique intangibles. For one, I implore you to find a better booked finish that Bret out-brawling the toughest son of a bitch in the WWF, busting him open and nearly crippling his legs with a chair, and then torturing him with the Sharpshooter. A bloody Austin lying on his stomach is forced to watch as he pours his vital fluid into a puddle around him. Yet he fights, nearly breaking the hold, fighting fiercely, refusing to quit, crimson plasma pouring into his teeth. But Bret holds on, and Austin passes out from the pain, unconscious, his head buried in a pool of red. He loses the match, but never gives up. Now, you also get the double-turn, something that could have only happened with specific booking with specific characters at a specific time for a specific crowd. Chicago in the spring of 1997, with Austin and Bret, fit those specifics. The result? Steve Austin became a babyface, a household name and the biggest star in wrestling since Hulk Hogan. Aside from it's in-ring brilliance, the match has a legacy and an impact on the business that few can touch. For my money, it is the Best and Greatest Wrestlemania match, the Greatest Story Ever Told in a wrestling ring, and the Greatest Match of All Time.

*****


Whew. Well, now that that list is done, we have one more stop on the Wrestlemania series, which will be much easier: "Top Ten Wrestlemanias".


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Please do not list WrestleMania-X7 as the best WM ever next week.....please stop over-rating that event...please?

Posted By: Industry (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 10:49 PM

 
 
Most underrated match in Mania history-DDP vs. Christian from 2002

Posted By: Chungles (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 10:53 PM

 
 
If X7 doesn't win, we riot.

Posted By: Everyone (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 10:59 PM

 
 
Rock vs. Hogan is bullshit. I'm sure all the grown men in that crowd still have Hulk Hogan cartoon bedsheets. The Rock might have stayed in the business just a little bit longer if it wasn't for you people.

10. Bret vs. Michaels
9. Savage vs. Warrior
8. Austin vs. Rock III
7. Benoit vs. HHH vs. Michaels
6. Undertaker vs. Michaels
5. Angle vs. Michaels
4. Bret vs. Owen
3. Savage vs. Steamboat
2. Bret vs. Austin
1. Rock vs. Austin II


Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM

 
 
Top ten greatest feuds leading to mania. Do it

Posted By: Guest#8165 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:11 PM

 
 
Wrestlemania 19 never gets enough love. taker michaels is not overrated either.

Posted By: K.O.W. (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:11 PM

 
 
If X7 doesn't win, we riot.

Posted By: Everyone (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 10:59 PM

everyone? speak for urself. mine is wm22


Posted By: Guest#8392 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:11 PM

 
 
I'd put Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho far over Shawn vs Angle because the storytelling in that match is so great. Jericho copying HBK's moves, HBK doing them the way only he can. Beautiful game of one-upmanship.

Posted By: Dan (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:12 PM

 
 
Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.


Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM

 
 
No Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho from XIX. It's not in the top 10 and not even in the Honorable Mentions.

Posted By: oh great (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:14 PM

 
 
X7 is absolutely, bar none, the greatest Wrestlemania ever. The card is the greatest ever, and it delivers. Just objectively it's like the Citizen Kane or Beatles of pro-wrestling. Even if you don't like it as much as other people seem to, from objective criteria it really is the greatest. The big moments, the stories, the consequences of the show to pro-wrestling, the impact, etc.

Posted By: Dan (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM

 
 
Nice list and well thought out and valid reasons.

Posted By: Guest#1850 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:19 PM

 
 
Warrior/Savage deserves to be top 10. I'll plug that match till the end.

Posted By: DangerousG (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM

 
 
Great list, and I approve of the preference of "wrestling" matches to more entertainment-driven matches. Although your pick of Undertaker-HBK had me groaning and pointing to every single match on your honorable mentions list for better matches. Hopefully they'll put on a much better match this year that people won't be able to make the mistake of overrating.

Posted By: Guest#6089 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM

 
 
Indeed, WrestleMania X-Seven is by far the best ever. I suspect that those who tend to like some of the later one's may not have been close fans at the time that it happened. If so, you may have no idea just how exciting the business was during this time. Plus, with Paul E. at the helm, WWE was actually doing great booking across the board. The TV was riveting and it all built to a show that just knocked everyone on their ass. I mean, we all expect Mania to reach some greatness, but this was a show that really exceeded any possible expectations.

Posted By: DocSarpolis (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:33 PM

 
 
Top 10 WM entrances next!

Posted By: Guest#1630 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM

 
 
If X7 doesn't win, we riot.

Posted By: Everyone (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 10:59 PM

I'll be the first to burn a fucking building down


Posted By: Kirk (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:41 PM

 
 
Rock vs. Austin II is the most overrated match since HBK won the title from Bret. The Rock/Austin match dragged, and dragged and dragged some more. When Vince walked down the aisle, it was a relief that finally some intrigue was coming. And I'm not usually a fan of run-ins. Even though there was significance at the time of Austin turning heel, the match itself doesn't even deserve an honorable mention let alone be #3.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:43 PM

 
 
you made great points about the e and c, hardyz, dudleys fued.

Posted By: Csonkamaniac III (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:48 PM

 
 
In all honesty, it's pointless now to continue the argument of excluding Benoit's name from any of these "Best Of" lists. While Benoit's legacy is forever tarnished, the achievements of those he with who he collaborated deserve recognition. (Even if it means recognizing them with tepidity.)
Then again, it's not as if we're awarding plaques or anything of material consequence here--it's just a column on a wrestling website. CALM DOWN.


Posted By: Jeff (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:51 PM

 
 
shawn michaels truly is the greatst, 4 of his mania matches on this top ten

and bret hart michaels aint on it either


Posted By: marc (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:58 PM

 
 
Please do not list WrestleMania-X7 as the best WM ever next week.....please stop over-rating that event...please?

Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 10:49 PM

Just curious what would you say is the best one then?


Posted By: Guest#6017 (Guest)  on March 14, 2010 at 11:59 PM

 
 
" Aside from it's in-ring brilliance, the match has a legacy and an impact on the business that few can touch. For my money, it is the Best and Greatest Wrestlemania match, the Greatest Story Ever Told in a wrestling ring, and the Greatest Match of All Time. "

Completely true...my top Mania match all the way....And I agree with number 2 too, 3,4,5 vary between Shawn-Angle,Bret-Owen and Macho-Steamboat and I love the three of them...the rest of ur list looks pretty good too, although I have Macho Flair in there over Shawn Razor, but I can see why you added that. I was a few months into watching wrestling when that happened and it was a big deal...


Posted By: Cyber (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:12 AM

 
 
Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.

Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Get
Over
It
Smart Mark


Posted By: son of pillman sr. (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:16 AM

 
 
X-7 seems pretty obvious, but XX is still my favorite Mania.

HBK/HHH/Benoit, Eddie/Angle, Evolution/Foley&Rock, Christian/Jericho, plus some decent matches from Cena/Show, Taker/Kane, Cruiserweights, and the tag teams. Besides the random Playboy match, I can't say a bad thing about this card what-so-ever.


Posted By: SHADE (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:24 AM

 
 
Top 10 WM matches and why:
10. WM X7 - TLC II - They had already revitalized both tag team wrestling and ladder matches, and when we thought they couldn't top WM 2000 & SS 2000's ladder matches THEY DID!!
9. WM 21 - Angle vs. Shawn - This match came out of nowhere and STOLE the show when most other matches had WAY bigger build-ups!
8. WM X8 - Rock vs. Hogan - People can say whatever they want when Hogan said yes to Rock everybody creamed their pants, and for Hogan's limited mobility both men worked around the physical restrictions to deliver one of the biggest matches of WM history, don't think so remember how much the crowd was out of it by the time the Women and HHH/Jericho came out, they COULD NOT follow Hogan/Rock!
7. WM VI - Warrior vs. Hogan - Another Big match of the 2 top stars in WWE(F) at that time leading to a monumental clash with Hogan passing the torch, too bad Warrior is such an asshole that made it all in vein!
6. WM 13 - Austin vs. Bret - The biggest fued at that time that gave us the final chapter at the biggest stage of them all, and that saw despite Hart winning Austin come out as the brighter star refusing to quit locked in the sharpshooter with blood spewing down his face!
5. WM III - Macho Man vs. Steamboat -This was a match that saw 2 of the most athletic stars of the time clash, both men were undercard but at those times in the E it was the IC title that saw the best matches over the WWE title, and Savge and Dragon had the BEST match of the night!
4. WM X - HBK vs. Razor - The 1st ladder match for the E that not only catipulted Shawn to Main-eventer, but revolutionized the business!
3. WM 25 - HBK vs. Taker - Again saw 2 of the most popular and best performers going toe-to-toe and working their asses off to steal the show. It's funny how people criticize these men and their performences, yet THEY are pretty much the mos consistant wrestlers in the E, to all the haters that need more look at virtually any singles WM match Shawn has had and for Taker look at his SS 2008 HIC match against Edge!
2. WM XIX - Angle vs. Brock - One of the most technically sound matches ever in the history of WM! A match that both guys worked so hard left them BOTH injured. Angle needed surgery already heading into the match the pace he and Brock set didn't help matters, and Brock attempted 1 of the sickest moments ever when trying to land a shooting star to a prone Angle 3/4 of the ring away leaving himself concussed.
1. WM XX - HHH vs. Benoit vs. HBK - Haters can say whatever this was a match that saw hard work, loyalty, and dedication finally payoff, and suprisingly HHH and HBK backstage political monsters buying into it. It saw Eddie and Benoit finally on top together after years of giving everything to the business.


Posted By: yankeeman (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:41 AM

 
 
i'm so sick of these internet nerds even mentioning chris benoit in a favorable light. forget that match forget his life.

Posted By: sp1 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:43 AM

 
 
he must've missed wrestlemania 19

Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:49 AM

 
 
kudos for not jumping on the 'shawn michaels had a match witha ladder' bandwagon though. way too much scott hall hate out there, the dude was an underrated worker though obviously not in shawn's class

Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:51 AM

 
 
Angle/Michaels is my favorite match of all time, but I can completely respect everything that's ahead of it. This entire list is awesome and I really can't find any faults with it. You could really mix any of these around and put them in any order, and it'd still be right.

Posted By: Tyler (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:58 AM

 
 
Please do not list WrestleMania-X7 as the best WM ever next week.....please stop over-rating that event...please?

Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 10:49 PM

wow! u had austin rock and one the greatest swerves in the history of the business

u had the best tlc ever, u had triple-undertaker, kurt angle-benoit, and vince shane

the best wrestlemanias are wrestlemania 3, 10, and 17 :)


Posted By: marc (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:58 AM

 
 
Can't complain with this list, however, TLC from X-Seven is better than the Triangle match from the year before. The psychology of Edge and Christian continually going after the belts, vs their counterparts, particularly the Hardys, just trying to get their spots in and get the big pop. It's subtle, but to me, it makes the match, plus the interference from Rhyno-Lita-and Spike is very well done. The Triangle Ladder match is the true sense of the word spotfest. Great match to be sure, but a TLC II it is not. Personally, my personaal #1 is the Triangle Match from WrestleMania XX. Unfortunately, tragic events since then has left a very bitter taste in everyone's mouth, but it is by far the best 3 way match ever, and it's my personal favorite WrestleMania match, only because it literally made me leap out of my seat in excitement when Triple H finally tapped. It was the last time I truly "marked out."

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:58 AM

 
 
X7 wins by a mile.

Posted By: Adam 1.0 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:04 AM

 
 
Good list. I think we can all argue for one match or the other moving up or down or to be included. My problem is with the top match.

Let me tell you first off that I love this match. This was the first wrestlemania that I had watched after nearly 10 years and it was for this match. But, i feel that the one thing that this match lacked was for something to be lost or gained.

The best matches at Wretlemania always had something tangeble on the line. Be it the WWF/WWE title, the intecontenantal title or even something like a career.

In a title match, you are usually getting the best 2 guys out there or the truly great grudge/stoy to be resolved.

That is why to me the Ausitn V Hart classics always fell just a little short in a discussion. We saw a great story and the final development of the great charachter but it was only a win or a loss in reality.

With matches like Savage v Steamboat, Hogan v Savage, Hogan v Warrior, Rock v Austin, HHH v HBK v Benoit the battle was not just for vindication but to be the best of the best at the time.
That is also why i think this years maania has me exited to watcj it. We will have the to 2 stars battling for the top prize. Something will be gained or lost. That is also why I am not a fan of the taker v michaels match from last year.
The streak is a fake streak. its like a person saying that there is one day a year that I am really good. What about someone who is good all year?

One last thing - every year we get a greatest wrestlemania or match of wrestlemania but, I always wondered what would be the Greatest ever wrestlemania card.

You create a 10-12 match card from the last 26 manias. You use each wrestler only once. You pick the best main event match, intercontenental match, tag match and you fill in the rest of the card with a retierment match, ladder match, steel cage match, fued match. What card would have teh best fan reaction, draw the most money, create the greatest sports entertainment extraviganza.

it would be interesting i think.


Posted By: Big Dirty (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:07 AM

 
 
There is no match more over rated than HBK and Undertaker from last year. It was a good match but it had no real story going in and dragged

Posted By: Tommy (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:27 AM

 
 
WM X-7 had the best 'upper card' matches, but its 'under card' sucked a hairy nut sack, thus it drags it down with it....sorry folks-it's true.

Posted By: Admit it (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:37 AM

 
 
I won't attack any of your top 10, since they are all pretty sound, but I'll go after your few HMs.

Hogan/Rock: I don't buy this as the dream match everyone else does, simply because the Rock wasn't the #1 star of his day, some say he's even #3 behind both HHH and Austin. And secondly, it wasn't much of a passing of the torch looking back on it. Hogan had actually a more proflific in-ring career after this than the Rock, posting both more title reigns than the Rock and a decent Summerslam streak.

HBK/Bret IMM: You listed most criticisms and attributes to this match, but missing a key one. They had NO Falls in regulation thus making the whole Iron stipulation meaningless! All world title matches were traditionally 1 hour time limits anyway. And since the IMM concept was never done before, they blew the damn stipulation on the first run out of the gate! Granted, if this was like the 3rd or 4th IMM in history, this would have been a good twist and possibly a lot higher in my book. But in the end it was no more than a time limit draw with a match stoppage and overtime.

Bret was screwed in 2 ways:
1. The Overtime nullified the champions advantage.
2. If there was overtime, then why even stop the clock in the first place? That way, Bret could have held onto the sharpshooter, instead of this game of "beat the clock"

Ah, I sometimes get too worked up over a fake sport, lol.


Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:54 AM

 
 
You're intitled to your WRONG opinions

Posted By: Ultimate Warrior (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:56 AM

 
 
Generally it's pretty interesting to see who has what WM at number TWO on their list. Number one just can't be in question. You only have to say one thing about WMX-7 to get the point across...TEST had a very entertaining match.

Hard to argue with the number one on the Great Matches list. Bret/Austin is pretty epic and turned the whole business on its ear. I only wish Warrior/Savage would have gotten more love. And Benoit rising from the table suplex when the audience had him counted out was a really great moment that made an awesome match even more awesome.

As for the Benoit kiniption fits...it's simply a fact that he was a great wrestler for years, just as it's a fact that he was an evil monster the day he killed his family. You can't take either of those things away from him, for better or worse. You can't say OJ Simpson wasn't an outstanding running back. You can't say Mike Tyson wasn't a frighteningly dominant boxer in the early part of his career.

If you're compiling a list of great wrestlers, you have to include Benoit. When he was in the ring, he was great. If you're compiling a list of great wrestlers who never killed their families...okay, then Benoit doesn't make the list.


Posted By: Sam! (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:02 AM

 
 
Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.

Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Quit yer bitchin' already!! It's not like Benoit killed your fuckin' family. I hate it when people keep bringing up tragedies that never affected them in the least & "champion the cause" just to look like some goddamned saint.


Posted By: Insayne Wayne (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:09 AM

 
 
PERFECT list! Austin v Hart rules all. Thank you so much for not putting Hart~Miceals or Flair~Micheals in the top ten

Posted By: joe blow (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:18 AM

 
 
dude there is no way triple h vs hbk vs chris benoit is the 2nd best match and stone cold vs the rock is the 3rd what preference of matches do u have to have these 2 that high

Posted By: laparkinator (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:24 AM

 
 
no angle/benoit?

i know theres alot of hbk marks on here but angle is the best wrestler of the last decade.

its true...its damn true


Posted By: philburttheturtle (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:37 AM

 
 
i know this column is opinion but i gotta ask: did you not ilke hbk vs jericho at xix? i understand liking 10 matches better than it but not even honorable mention?

Posted By: H. Strongs (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:43 AM

 
 
everyone has their own list. and this is his. his blows by the way.

Posted By: RavishingBillyRude (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:48 AM

 
 
You know why this list pisses me off? And all your other lists? Because you find flaws in matches that you shouldn't even be looking for and don't make sense. You run down matches like Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels and Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker and think saying "don't get me wrong, it's a good match" will cover your tracks. It doesn't.

Posted By: Guest#8544 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:16 AM

 
 
After seeing the great build up video of Taker-HBK recently with Running up that Hill playing can you please do the top 10 promo/build up videos the WWE has ever done?

Posted By: Guest#8892 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:35 AM

 
 
No Cena vs. Michaels from Wrestlemania 23?

If Rock and Austin can get on that list purely because of the exciting finisher kickouts (and that's all that is), then surely Cena and Michaels deserves a mention because it had THE MOST EXCITING FINISH TO ANY MATCH EVER. Watch it again, it's brilliant.

Edge vs. Foley deserves to be on there more than Hogan vs. Warrior too. Warrior did fuck all after winning that in comparison to Edge who won 8 more titles. Foley MADE Edge and solidified him as a main eventer for the rest of his career. To leave him off is scandelous.

And if we're talking historical value, WHAT match is more historic (apart from Bret/Austin) than Austin vs. Michaels? Really!?


Posted By: Beefy Jerk (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 05:56 AM

 
 
#5 should be #1

Posted By: Guest#5944 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 06:04 AM

 
 
i'm so sick of these internet nerds even mentioning chris benoit in a favorable light. forget that match forget his life.

Posted By: sp1 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 12:43 AM

It's your right to think that way, it's not your right to tell anyone else to think that way. GTFO please :)


Posted By: Guest#5770 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 06:22 AM

 
 
while i prbbly wouldnt consider austin vs bret the greatest wm match of all time, it is a satisfactory pic. I'd personally hafto go with either hbk/taker from last year, hbk/angle from wm 21 or hhh/benoit/hbk from wm20. However the first two were amazing classics, the results didnt really mean anything ir was more the match than the result. the wm20 match however, is one of the closest a wrestling match can come to an artform, it was perfectly paced, the story all 3 men told in the ring, the high everyone had when benoit finally won, the ending embrace, everything about that match, and that night makes me emotional and makes me remember why i am a wrestling fan in the first place.

best wm? it would defo be wm17 or wm20, taking the other spots.


Posted By: gooched (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 06:31 AM

 
 
Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.

Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM

you moron, hes not praising benoit hes praising the match, the story telling.


Posted By: Guest#4935 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:05 AM

 
 
Dear fellow commenters: the people who overuse the words "overrated" and "cliche" on this site have less intelligence, tact, and overall taste than the Paul Roma & One Shot Deal retards. Thank you.

Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:12 AM

 
 
WM X-7 had the best 'upper card' matches, but its 'under card' sucked a hairy nut sack, thus it drags it down with it....sorry folks-it's true.

Posted By: Admit it (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 01:37 AM

Yes because Jericho/Regal, Angle/Benoit, TLC II, and Shane/Vince is a sucky undercard.


Posted By: ron ron (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:47 AM

 
 
Young Stallions in the 20-man battle royal for sure!

Also, as much as it pains me, the LOD vs. Power and Glory, aka the Los Angeles Screwjob. Because it ended the Roma era and began the downfall of the WWF for the next 19 years to come!


Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:54 AM

 
 
Chris Benoit was a very sick man. Who just got sicker and sicker to entertain us. He had dementia for christ's sake. It's like yelling at somebody with tourettes for cursing at a bus full of pre-schoolers. Noticed i said it's like and not, it's the same thing. To me it's not a murder/suicide, it's a fuckin tragedy.

Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:14 AM

 
 
For someone who has a bad rep for matches Warrior deserves to top 10 mentions his savage match should have been in here as well, now before u geeks start with the it was maped out for him step by step who cares that means nothing in pro wrestling, its all fake anyway, when the big match feel and warrior had 2 deliver he did just as well as Rock Hogan Austin in my opinion.

Posted By: ChrisA (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:19 AM

 
 
Personally I would have at least put Hart vs Piper and Michaels vs Jericho in the honorable mentions category. And possibly Rock vs Austin III. Wrestlemania xix was the shit.

Posted By: FredHampton (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:26 AM

 
 
"The match was excluded from the top ten to focus more on matches that delivered from a technical "

Because when I think technical matches, I think Hogan vs Warrior!


Posted By: nbrf (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:59 AM

 
 
And cue some sad acts pretending to be Paul Roma saying "Wrestlemania 7 was the best because of how dominant I made the LOD look".

Anyway, Wrestlemania X-Seven was the best Mania no doubt. Other shows have been superb, but the great:crap ration in 2001 was ludicrously high.


Posted By: Loki (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 09:22 AM

 
 
michaels vs undertaker doesnt belong, it was good but doesnt stand up to something like savage vs flair or savage vs warrior. Heck it doesnt stand up to anything else mentioned really.

Posted By: kevin (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 09:28 AM

 
 
f X7 doesn't win, we riot.

Posted By: 222 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 09:47 AM

 
 
Can you just say WM:17 #1 and call it a week.

Posted By: Guest#7318 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 10:16 AM

 
 
How predictable that Aaron Hubbard would put Chris 'The Family Murderer' Benoit so high. This confused douchebag Hubbard will find any excuse to hero-worship his idol Benoit.

Posted By: Guest#7821 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 10:31 AM

 
 
No Comment

Posted By: Guest#4088 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM

 
 
i'm so sick of these internet nerds even mentioning chris benoit in a favorable light. forget that match forget his life.

Posted By: sp1 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 12:43 AM

No easily offended dork mark, forget you! The matches happened, the title changes happened, etc. Yes he killed his family and took the pussy way out but that does not change the fact that he existed. Get Over It!

Hubbard should do a "Best of Benoit" just to make all the "big boys" of the IWC butt hurt like never before.


Posted By: son of pillman sr. (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 10:44 AM

 
 
Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho at WrestleMania 19 doesn't even get to honorable mentions ? Shit.

Posted By: Ownage to you (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:12 AM

 
 
Please do not list WrestleMania-X7 as the best WM ever next week.....please stop over-rating that event...please?

Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 10:49 PM



Pff dumbass. WrestleMania XX is the most overrated show. It gets praised only by the Triple Threat and Eddie/Angle which were great matches, but the rest of the card had a lot of bullcrap. Outside the good (not great) Foley & Rocky vs. Evolution and Chris Jericho vs. Christian matches, all other matches like Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg, John Cena vs. Big Show, Victoria vs. Molly Holly, The 4 Way Tag Team Matches makes this show just an average WrestleMania.

WrestleMania X-Seven had a great card overall and it's the best WrestleMania ever alongside with WrestleMania XIX.


Posted By: The Voice Of The Reason (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:17 AM

 
 
This list sucks if Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho isn't in. I hope Aaron Hubbard gives a logical explanation to this huge miss.

Posted By: Bottom Rock (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:21 AM

 
 
Is Aaron Hubbard Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho hater ? Only a hater or ignorant as fuck will not give even a honorable mention to that great match.

Posted By: ROFL (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM

 
 
Nice list. But Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels from WrestleManaia XIX deserves a spot at least on honorable mentions.

Posted By: Lanzo (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM

 
 
i'm so sick of these internet nerds even mentioning chris benoit in a favorable light. forget that match forget his life.

Posted By: sp1 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 12:43 AM
----------------------------------------
Why are you being a moralist? Seriously? Benoit as a person and Benoit as a wrestler are two different things to look back on. It's like OJ, yes he was a great running back, one of the best in Bills' history, but between the ears he was questionable. Same with Benoit, I can appreciate what he did in the ring, but out of the ring and between the ears he had major problems.

If you don't like it, don't click on it, grow up and stop being a moralist.


Posted By: Jake (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM

 
 
made it to to atleast 40 posts with only what 2 to 3 hatred for Benoit posters. That ratio dwindles as the months and years go by.

As for the list I think the thing that sticks out is how the Intercontinental title used to be something worth fighting for at mania. I know this is his opinion but the IC title made it on this list in 3 slots. The WWF/E at one point used to care about their mid card title that's missing with their booking today.

But great list and respect the opinion of the order. Always did like that ladder match with HBK/Razor....it got rid of Diesel and left it up to the two of them to win or lose and Scott Hall to his credit put on a good match with Michaels they both worked a match that at the time caused the two to think around their normal movesets in a match incorporate the ladder and it worked well.


Posted By: Guest#1903 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM

 
 
please do not list wm20's main event in any list ever again....putting over child murderers you disgust me.

Posted By: industrial (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM

 
 
i don't understand the praise for x-7. it is so overrated. the main event was a brawl. foley/hhh from RR 00 was leagues above that match. and the heel turn was just stupid and pointless. it's an above average WM at best. if WM x-7 is the most overrated, then WM 23 has to be the most underrated easily. great show from top to bottom.

Posted By: noname (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM

 
 
Praising him? They are praising his match, not him killing his wife. this isn't the top ten murder list or a top ten nicest people list.

Why should we listen to you anyway, if your going for that argument, then we shouldn't read and praise your words, b/c most likely after you finished typing, you are going to a porn site.

very, very unethical


Posted By: 2 fresh 37 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM

 
 
If WM 21 doesn't win best WM of all time, it is a travesty. Greatest card from top to bottom bar none. Eddie's last Wrestlemania in a solid opener vs. Rey Mysterio, the first (and best) MITB, Angle vs/ HBK, Orton/Taker and official start of the era we are in w/ both Cena & Batista winning gold. PLus a fun nostalgia moment w/ Hogan and the great Mohammed Hassan. Of course the best part was me being there in person lol

Posted By: JP (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 11:55 AM

 
 
Hogan/Rock: I don't buy this as the dream match everyone else does, simply because the Rock wasn't the #1 star of his day, some say he's even #3 behind both HHH and Austin. And secondly, it wasn't much of a passing of the torch looking back on it. Hogan had actually a more proflific in-ring career after this than the Rock, posting both more title reigns than the Rock and a decent Summerslam streak.

Who the Hell has ever said Triple H was a bigger star than The Rock. Please explain that statement.


Posted By: FredHampton (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:08 PM

 
 
I guess the cool thing to do now is bash WrestleMania X7 when all you marks were wetting yourself when you saw it. Or maybe you didn't see it at all. That PPV had one bad match, just one. It ended the Attitude era. Austin vs. Rock defined that era and to even bash that match means you're an idiot and have no business watching wrestling let alone commenting on it. The crowd ate that match up. Austin's pop damn near blew the roof off. Not to mention TLC II, McMahon vs. McMahon, and the PPV would be easy thumbs up. But we got Taker-HHH, Jericho-Regal, and a fun hardcore match. WM 10 and 17 the top two Wrestlemanias ever and it ain't even close. I know people love XX and I understand its significance but what was really there besides the two title match, Jericho-Christian, and the Evolution match?

Posted By: JM (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:16 PM

 
 
**Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer. **

yes, because never mentioning his name again will make it all go away. history is history, good and bad. accept it.


Posted By: Huh? (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM

 
 
Great list,I completly
agree with #1.


Posted By: Jason (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:32 PM

 
 
I like Taker's incredulous look; it was a reminder that he is, after all, fallible. The Dead Man gimmick, in kayfabe, is still a gimmick, a tool he uses to gain a psychological edge over his opponents. And NOBODY kicks out of the Tombstone, so for Michaels to do it, at WrestleMania, with the streak on the line, was more than Taker could handle.

I love the bit in the triple threat when Benoit throws Michaels over the top, effectively eliminating him from the remainder of the match. Because that's just what Benoit did to EARN his title match, throw people over the top rope. Michaels weasled his way into Chris' match and it was only just that Benoit take him out the same he took 29 other men out. I've no idea if it was an intentional story moment or not but it's one of the greatest bits I've ever seen.

Hart/Austin is the GREATEST, the BEST, and any other adjective you can think of. And I was fucking THERE.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:34 PM

 
 
"Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.

Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM"

Shut the fuck up, you dickhead. He's not nominating him for father of the year. He saying he was involved in a good match.


Posted By: Guest#6676 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:55 PM

 
 
The ratio dwindles as people forget what makes wrestling great. Benoit fucked himself. Do you think we would be up on Shawn's nuts if he did a bunch of drugs and killed his autistic kids (while skipping out on a PPV for you work rate bitches?) God, y'all make me sick.

Posted By: Guest#1334 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 12:57 PM

 
 
What about Bret Hart vs. Roddy Piper Wrestlemania VIII
Very underrated match.
Aaron I'm glad you have the triple threat match from Wrestlemania XX. Great match & still one of the best moments.


Posted By: Tom (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:04 PM

 
 
The use of Honorable Mentions on this site is borderline ridiculous. You've got no less than 10 in this column so why don't you just make it a top 20? Or, better yet, commit yourself to just 10 choices.

Posted By: Guest#6402 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:17 PM

 
 
to all the losers that are complaining about benoit being on the list..get the fuck outta here then ur not 5 years old it happened it happened stop crying about it virgins and to all the people saying wrestlemania x7 will not be number one on next weeks list and that the undercard sucked you probably havnt watched a day of wrestling in your life because it was clearly the best..peace out losers

Posted By: steve austin (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:23 PM

 
 
I rewatched the WMXX main event last week. I still don't understand the love for that match. It was a thrown together main-event, Benoit had no main event buzz around him, and his win felt hollow because you knew a few months down the line he was going to be a midcarder again. MSG was half empty during the celebration too, it really didn't feel like a moment fitting to be the climax of an anniversary show. I went to the Staples Center the year after and you knew Cena and Batista had futures, that meant more to me than Benoit's golden watch.

Posted By: Guest#3262 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:28 PM

 
 
It is funny to me, looking back at, say, Wrestlemania IX, and seeing how many wrestlers on the card were former world champions compared to now.

WRESTLEMANIA IX
Bret Hart
Hulk Hogan
Yokozuna
Undertaker
Ted DiBiase (if you count his buying the title from Andre)
Lex Luger (if you were to count WCW/NWA)
Curt Hennig (AWA)

WRESTLEMANIA 26
John Cena
Batista
Bret Hart
Vince McMahon
Steve Austin
Undertaker
Shawn Michaels
HHH
Sheamus
C.M.Punk
Rey Misterio
Chris Jericho
Edge
Big Show
John Morrison (if you count ECW)
R-Truth (if you count NWA-TNA)
Kane
Christian (ECW)
Matt Hardy (ECW)
Jack Swagger (ECW)

In fact, the only person on the card to not have held gold is Evan Bourne. Astounding.


Posted By: Squid Vicious (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:29 PM

 
 
Seriously, if you use the words "Shawn/Undertaker" and "overrated" in the same sentence, you are a fucktard.

I've been watching wrestling for 25 years. I've seen more ups and downs, busts and booms than I care to admit. I've also seen more classic bouts than I care to count. Shawn/Taker? Belongs. Deal with it.


Posted By: Ken B. (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:34 PM

 
 
I find it very ironic to read posters who are on Benoit's nutsack calling those who are not "virgins". I think we know which way that would skew. I myself just looking at the matches objectively & not giving a shit either way about the Benoit crap, I personally find the WM XX Triple Threat ridiculously overrated. Good match, yes. Great match, possibly. Top Mania match ever? Not close! Also I think like some others that Jericho/Michaels is horribly overlooked. I like it better than HBK/Angle or HBK/Taker. And Savage/Warrior would be MUCH higher & Savage/Steamboat should be Top 3.

Posted By: Guest#0884 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 01:48 PM

 
 
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? no piper vs goldust wm x11?

Posted By: zemmy (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:11 PM

 
 
Chris Benoit was a very sick man. Who just got sicker and sicker to entertain us. He had dementia for christ's sake. It's like yelling at somebody with tourettes for cursing at a bus full of pre-schoolers. Noticed i said it's like and not, it's the same thing. To me it's not a murder/suicide, it's a fuckin tragedy.

Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 08:14 AM

100% correct. And even if it wasn't, pretending his professional achievements never happened or mattered so as not to "glorify a murderer" would still be a stupid way to deal with the situation.


Posted By: Bruce L (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:24 PM

 
 
i don't understand the praise for x-7. it is so overrated. the main event was a brawl. foley/hhh from RR 00 was leagues above that match. and the heel turn was just stupid and pointless. it's an above average WM at best. if WM x-7 is the most overrated, then WM 23 has to be the most underrated easily. great show from top to bottom.

Posted By: noname (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:39 AM

You proved that you don't have nothing in common with wrestling and your mind is so fucked up that you need to continue to watch TNA cause it's understandable for guys like you.


Posted By: The Voice Of The Reason (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:40 PM

 
 
If WM 21 doesn't win best WM of all time, it is a travesty. Greatest card from top to bottom bar none. Eddie's last Wrestlemania in a solid opener vs. Rey Mysterio, the first (and best) MITB, Angle vs/ HBK, Orton/Taker and official start of the era we are in w/ both Cena & Batista winning gold. PLus a fun nostalgia moment w/ Hogan and the great Mohammed Hassan. Of course the best part was me being there in person lol

Posted By: JP (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:55 AM

You're comment is travesty if you will not apologize for this fucking crap that you posted it.

John Cena vs. JBL sucked monkey balls BIG TIME (the officialy theme of that event).

Triple H vs. Batista was just an average main event that was helped only by the great buildup.

Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme was a new trand for the divas to have a spot at Mania only if she poses for Playboy.

The rest of the card has some good matches and one memorable contest between Angle and Michaels. So this WM is far from being the best.


Posted By: The Voice Of The Reason (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:45 PM

 
 
1. Austin vs. Hart
2. Bret vs. Owen
3. Macho Man vs Steamboat
4. Austin vs. Rock 2
5. Foley vs Edge
6. Taker vs. HBK
7. hogan vs warrior
8. savage vs. hogan
9. piper vs bret hart
10. Austin vs Rock 3


Posted By: Bob Ueker (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 02:50 PM

 
 
How do you not rank the Savage-Steamboat match as #1. There has never been nor will there ever be a match that is more complete from opening bell to the final three count than this match. And this is the single reason why Hogan held down Steamboat and almost Savage. They stole the show and after every match since then, including Michaels/Ramon, Austin/Rock II, HHH/Benoit/Michaels and Hart/Austin have I said, that was great, but it was no Savage/Steamboat. Probably the main reason what the IWC disrespects the IC belt now is because in all of our heads we hold the belt up to a higher esteem because of this match. I pretty much always agree with you Aaron on your weekly Top Ten, but this I cannot even come close to agreeing with. You need to revisit this match and give the credit. Maybe if you were a bit older, you would recognize just what this match did for future generations. Forget the ladder match at Wrestlemania X, Savage/Steamboat showed the world, including the 93,173 in attendance just what professional wrestling is all about. Number 1 in my book for now and forever.

Posted By: Oldschool824 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:13 PM

 
 
All these lists would be a lot better if you acknowledged that wrestling has sucked for nearly a decade now and stopped ranking stuff post-brand-split ahead of stuff from the 80's and 90's when wrestling was actually good. To put anything from 2004, 2005 and 2009 on this list over the likes of Flair/Savage, Bret/Piper, Savage/Warrior and Bret/Shawn is a joke.

Posted By: Wrestling in the 2000s blows (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:23 PM

 
 
You guys will have plenty of time to argue about X-7 and which is the best WM in NEXT WEEK'S COLUMN. Holy shit.

Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:36 PM

 
 
As others had mentioned, Chris Benoit was brain damaged. Not figuratively- literally. He was very sick mentally at the end of his life due to multiple concussions. What happened was absolutely tragic but Benoit was not in control of his faculties. As stated, the man had dementia.

Aside from that, if you talk about great wrestling matches, Benoit will be a part of the conversation. The man was very, very talented in the ring. I think a lot of people who throw fits every time his name comes up do so more to make themselves seem/feel morally superior instead of actually adding anything constructive to the conversation.

I absolutely loved Angle/Michaels but I was there live so I'm probably biased as hell towards that match and the first Money in the Bank. WM 21 certainly wasn't the absolute best of all time, but I definitely think it ranks up there and it was amazing in-person. Minus the Bog Show sumo match and the downer Cena/JBL that should have been much more than what it was.


Posted By: Dave (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 03:52 PM

 
 
X7. It was and is the greatest Wrestlemania of all time. Fans who disagree are probably the same people who tune in to watch Cena every week.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:00 PM

 
 
Iron Man Match from WM 12 should be number one. The whole card was basically this match. It had to deliver and it did. The last 5 minutes were surreal.

Posted By: ROH Commish (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:06 PM

 
 
I would pretty much agree with this though i would switch around the top 2. And wheres Jericho vs Michaels???
check out a real top ten of mania in my blogs on the wwe universe search for me my names EdgeHead210


Posted By: EdgeHead210 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:12 PM

 
 
Hogan/Rock: I don't buy this as the dream match everyone else does, simply because the Rock wasn't the #1 star of his day, some say he's even #3 behind both HHH and Austin. And secondly, it wasn't much of a passing of the torch looking back on it. Hogan had actually a more proflific in-ring career after this than the Rock, posting both more title reigns than the Rock and a decent Summerslam streak.

Dude you are the biggest idiot i have ever read on this site. How many people outside of wrestling even know HHH. Austin and Rock were very close at one time, but as far as who IS the bigger star all you have to look at is how far their careers have come since. The Rock has had seven 7 of his movies open ip at #1, while Austin is trying his luck in the straight-to-dvd market.


Posted By: guest (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 04:46 PM

 
 
I'm not sure what's worse:
#2 being the triple threat, which was okay at best
#6 being taker vs shawn, which should've been #2
WMX7's main event being lower than any of them
Hogan vs Warrior getting a mention
Or that you said Paul London was a great performer


Posted By: Guest#1977 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 05:02 PM

 
 
I can't think of a better complete Mania other than X-Seven...

Posted By: JWS (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 05:27 PM

 
 
WM 19 was the last truly great WMania with at least three,four really good matches. The last editions of the PPV saw just one or two really great matches, not enough to me, this year could be the best since WM 19, WM 17 is still the best and it's weird it ended with a huge heel turn. I'm a huge HBK mark but unfortunately I don't see him winning, the only way to make his defeat more memorable is placing it in the main event as last match of the card, personally I couldn's see Cena winning at Mania once again as a great final moment. Everybody says HHH will turn at Mania and that makes sense but what if Bret would plan his own personal screwjob of Shawn's career? It won't happen cause I think Bret wants to be a face and HHH is perfect in the role of best friend turning on Shawn in this match. I think they have to play the alliance Vince-HHH in the next months, that can generate a huge heel heat. It would be great to have Bret as G.M. of RAW to hire Shawn back to Raw, Rumble win 2011 and titlematch vs HHH at Mania with possible Vince-HHH vs HBK-Bret Hart at Road To Wrestlemania (how I would call No Way Out ehm Elimination Chamber).

Posted By: Max (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 06:42 PM

 
 
wow thats an awful list, hulk hogan shouldn't be in that list

Posted By: steve (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 06:55 PM

 
 
I have said this on numerous occasions, but after reading the comments, it bears repeating. There is never going to be any consensus regarding Chris Benoit. The fact is that people have the right to their own opinion on the subject! What saddens me, is there is no discussion or agree to disagree, just vitriol.

If you want to remember the wrestler, that is your right. If others want to remember the murderer, that is thiers. When the name calling and insulting starts, your argument either way has lost all credibility!

I'll be honest, I stopped being a Benoit fan after he killed his wife and child. That was my personal choice. I do not think he should be glorified in any way. Nor do I think that he should be erased from history.

All I am asking is for a little consideration for other people's opinions. Disagree if you must, but insults are not the way to get anyone on your side!

Vince McMahon got it right regarding Benoit. He said "It's not right to pretend he didn't exist. It's one thing to include him as part of a historical perspective, which I believe is OK, and it's another thing to promote him, which is not OK." If we were listing World Heavyweight Champions for instance, he has to be included.

If I had to guess, I think the poster who started this discussion was referring to "promoting him" by 411 continuously praising him and his matches. On the other side, those of you who can accept that he murdered his family and still seperate that from him being one of your favorite wrestlers, congratulations on making that distinction. Not everyone can or should have to do that.

Regarding OJ Simpson, he was aquitted of murder charges(I think he was most likely guilty), so the situations are completely different.

Just hoping to inject a little common sense into the discussion. Is a little civility really too much to ask?


Posted By: AndreFan (Registered)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:03 PM

 
 
I can't complain about this list---but here are a few complaints anyway :)

Actually, in terms of inclusion/exclusion, all of the matches in the top 10 are justifiable on one level or another. The only match I might knock out to put Warrior/Savage is the triangle ladder match==btw, kudos for not putting the overrated TLC2 match on there.

As for the order, it's of course subjective, but I'd say it would be a tie between the Shawn/Razor ladder match & Austin/Hart for number 1, as both were extremely influential. in that they not only defined the careers of both men, but they also helped shape the WWE, and indeed wrestling in general for years to come.


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:05 PM

 
 
Yay! More praise for Chris "I murdered my wife and child and took the coward's way out" Benoit.

The bottom line is that you are glorifying a cold blooded killer. He MURDERED HIS CHILD AND WIFE!!!

Shame on you and 411 for continuing this travesty of paying homage to a murderer.

Posted By: Shame On Hubbard and 411! (Guest) on March 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Take a Chill Pill and calm the F@#k Down,this is a Wrestling Column,not what happened next column,Chris Benoit the wrestler was one of the best ever(chris benoit the man....hmmm)People want to remember great Mania Matches and yes this triple threat was one of the best..you need to learn to separate them....


Posted By: The Reaper (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:07 PM

 
 
Pfft, I'll glorify Chris Benoit killing his family. I just like to daydream about him putting his screaming wife in a Crippler Crossface, then hopping up on a bed, slashing his throat with his thumb, and giving his son a flying headbutt. It makes me giggle.

Seriously? Who gives a shit. No one. It was a cause of the moment and in all reality, no one cared then(though they certainly did a good job of pretending) and no one cares now.

Chris Benoit was a hell of a performer and a damned good wrestler. Hell, I'm sure he was even a decent guy. But let's face facts. You don't wake up one day and do what he did just because you're in a bad mood or your nag of a wife said something extra stupid. You do it because you're sick. Benoit was sick. Shit happens.

Far worse than what he did happens all over the world on a daily basis in appalling numbers and no one gives two flying fucks about it. Give something a little media coverage and remind the public that it's abstractly connected to a ridiculed and notorious entertainment circuit? Suddenly everyone's a bleeding heart moralist with a goddamn opinion. Get over yourselves and shut your hor stankin mouths already, kthx.


Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:18 PM

 
 
Steamboat vs. Savage was one of the best matches I've ever seen. Thanks for the videos.

Posted By: JM (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:28 PM

 
 
WM X7 is far and away the best WM ever. No contest. And the guy who bitched about Benoit should really get off his soapbox.

Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 07:31 PM

 
 
your a fucking moron if you think stealing the other guys fin is good storytelling!

Posted By: Guest#6150 (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:02 PM

 
 
Hogan/Warrior should not have been top 10. There's a slew of matches in the honorable mentions and ones that you did not mention that were far superior.

Posted By: COTD (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:03 PM

 
 
To be honest, I had completely forgotten about Angle/Michaels and I can see why. It's a good match, but nothing special. Quite a few of your HM's (Rock/Hogan, Savage/Flair, etc.) were better.

Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:37 PM

 
 
my top 5 WM matches go as followed:
5. Benoit vs. Angle (WM X7)
4. Hogan vs. The Warrior (WM6)
3. Undertaker vs. HBK (WM 25)
2. The Rock vs. Stone Cold II (WM X7)
1. Shane vs. Vince (WM X7)

that mania had great matches one match that goes with an honnorable mention has to be the Gimmack battle royal. I know alot of people will rag on the fact that WM X7's getting more praise but it's worth it


Posted By: The Meyerz (Guest)  on March 15, 2010 at 08:41 PM

 
 
You proved that you don't have nothing in common with wrestling and your mind is so fucked up that you need to continue to watch TNA cause it's understandable for guys like you.

Posted By: The Voice Of The Reason (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 02:40 PM

lol. ok. and you prove that you don't give a shit about WM main events championing an OVERRATED brawl from austin/rock that was capped by a HORRIBLE heel turn. good day sir.


Posted By: noname (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 07:27 AM

 
 
Absolutely, positively, without a doubt the worst list you've ever put together. I know this is YOUR opinion and not stated as fact, but if this list is your opinion, you have no idea what makes a match great. Leaving the Iron Man Match, the Flair/Savage, and Flair/Warrior matches off the actual list is pathetic. Rating Taker/HBK and Savage/Steamboat as low as you did is ridiculous as well. Seems more like you took 20 or so good matches in a hat, and drew 10 of them out and made your list that way. No way number 10 on your list is better than the majority of half of the honorable mentions. Stupid list from someone who for the most part has put together a slew of horrible lists.

I'd like to see someone to a Top 10 List of your worst lists to date, only problem is, they'd all be tied for Number One on that list.


Posted By: Trent (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 08:00 AM

 
 
HHH, HBK, AND ME....best triple threat ever.PROVE ME WRONG.....

Posted By: MINION #2,233,105 (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 08:42 AM

 
 
its funny even though angle vs hbk is one of angles best matches in his career, i dnt recall him using a single german suplex in the whole match. Rather strange dont u fink

Posted By: EdgeHead210 (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 12:46 PM

 
 
even i have to draw the line on this benoit praising. he crossed a line not even i would cross and i am disgusted and offended.

Posted By: OJ Simpson (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 01:06 PM

 
 
good list. all awesome matches. altho i might have bumped hogan/rock at 10. ive been to wrestlemania, raws, smackdowns and countless house shows, and ive never heard the crowd like that. you couldnt talk to the person beside you. Hogan always got cheered in TOronto but this was crazy

Posted By: pjl32 (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 06:39 PM

 
 
and another thing. for all you idiots crrying over benoit being included ill quote tony soprano: you can take the moral high ground and sleep at the bus station. terribly tragic, but it has nothing to do with the match. will anybody forget eddie and chris hugging in the ring? a tragedy that a few years later they were both dead. not defending benoit, cuz he's a piece of shit who hopefully is burning in hell, but you'll never see a better me at wm

Posted By: pjl32 (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 06:44 PM

 
 
even i have to draw the line on this benoit praising. he crossed a line not even i would cross and i am disgusted and offended.

Posted By: OJ Simpson (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 01:06 PM

Perhaps you should pay a visit to Benoit's weight room and pay homage to his final act on earth there troll mark!


Posted By: son of pillman sr. (Guest)  on March 16, 2010 at 08:18 PM

 
 
lol. ok. and you prove that you don't give a shit about WM main events championing an OVERRATED brawl from austin/rock that was capped by a HORRIBLE heel turn. good day sir.

Posted By: noname (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 07:27 AM

Did you follewed my advice ? You probably missed the crappy Impact show this week. The Attitude Era is not your wrestling knowledge.


Posted By: The Voice Of The Reason (Guest)  on March 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM

 
 
why has no one mentioned flair vs savage WM 8?!!!

Posted By: mr tim (Guest)  on March 17, 2010 at 04:33 PM

 
 
u guys are all idiots maybe the main event of wrestlemania x7 was a brawl but u idiots gotta realize it meant something its the last match of the attitude era basically after that match was over wrestling DIED

Posted By: Steve Austin (Guest)  on March 17, 2010 at 11:43 PM

 
 
nice list other than one HUGE mistake. tlc 2 was better than the triangle ladder match.

Posted By: nick (Guest)  on March 22, 2010 at 09:48 PM

 


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