The Contentious Ten 06.07.10: Should-Be Hall of Famers
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 06.07.2010
From The Ultimate Warrior and Bruno Sammartino to Owen Hart and even Mr. T, 411's Aaron Hubbard lists the top 10 legends that should be in the WWE Hall of Fame in the latest Contentious 10!
Honorable Mentions:
Shawn Michaels: There is a distinct possibility that Michaels will be inducted in the next couple of years. I certainly won't deny that the Heartbreak Kid isn't Hall of Fame material; he is, in my opinion, the greatest "sports entertainer" ever. His resume runs longer than The Bible and speaks for itself; however, with so many big names that have yet to be inducted, I'm leaving HBK in the honorable mentions for now.
Yokozuna: Yokozuna was a two-time WWF Champion, the first of Samoan heritage to hold this title, and his second run lasted nine months. He competed in four world title matches at Wrestlemania IX and X, and was an instrumental part of helping Bret Hart become a superstar. Despite his massive frame, Yoko was surprisingly agile and did very well with his gimmick.
The British Bulldogs: Arguably the greatest tag team of the WWF in the 1980's, and that says a lot. Not only were these two men famous as a team, they were major singles stars: Dynamite Kid is considered by some (such as Bret Hart) to be the best pure wrestler ever and revolutionized the way matches were done in a legendary series of matches with Tiger Mask. Davey Boy Smith become a successful upper-carder, winning the Intercontinental Championship by defeating Bret at Wembley Stadium, and was one of the top draws for the WWF internationally.
Giant Baba: This year, the WWE welcomed Antonio Inoki into its Hall of Fame, acknowledging his success as a superstar in Japan and as the founder and booker of New Japan Pro Wrestling. Giant Baba was a legendary wrestler, defeating Jack Brisco for the NWA Heavyweight Championship during that title's prime, and booked some of the greatest matches ever in All Japan Pro Wrestling in the 1990's. In addition, forming a business relationship with AJPW could pave the way for legends such as Great Muta and Genichiro Tenryu finding their way into the Hall of Fame eventually.
The Rock: Dwayne Johnson is one of a kind, perhaps the single most entertaining wrestler ever. A superstar who challenged Austin's popularity with his incredible charisma, trademark mannerisms and ability to connect with the audience, as either a hero or a villain, Rock was a seven times world champion during his time in the WWE, and helped put over many, many stars. Since The Rock has gone into movies, he's left a gaping hole in the company that they still haven't recovered from. A surefire Hall of Famer, but let's face it; we'd rather see him doing full-time wrestling, not a one-shot appearance in the HOF.
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Owen Hart
People have been clamoring for this induction since the Hall of Fame was brought back in 2004. The realist in me says that people wouldn't be calling for it so vehemently if it weren't for his tragic death. Not to make light of it, but it would be a small tragedy if the only thing Owen was remembered for was dying. Owen Hart never rose to the heights of his more famous brother Bret, but he was every bit the worker, more charismatic, and much more athletic. He was an Intercontinental Champion, a Tag Team Champion, a proud Slammy winner, and had a legendary rivalry with Bret. Beyond that, he was a quality human being; no one in the business has ever had a bad thing to say about Owen Hart. I imagine the only reason that Owen hasn't been inducted is because of his wife's issues with the WWE, but I see her point. To a certain extent, inducting Owen is little more than a PR move, exploiting the name for the sake of tugging on the heartstrings. Owen was a Hall of Fame wrestler and person, even if he never makes it to the actual WWE Hall.
IX
Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson
Great as singles wrestlers and better as a tag team. Tully Blanchard was a star in Texas during the territorial days before coming to the NWA, where he had a legendary feud with Magnum T.A. that culminated in one of the most gruesome, violent cage matches ever. Arn tried to make his name in Georgia, but Ric Flair took a liking to him and suggested he work for Jim Crockett promotions; Arn would team with Ole Anderson as the latest version of the Minnesota Wrecking Crew. Flair, Ole, Arn and Tully formed The Four Horsemen, the most important and longest lasting stable in wrestling history. Arn and Tully would eventually form a team that became the first team in history to win the NWA and WWF Tag Team Championships, getting over in the cartoony WWF despite having minimal gimmick. Blanchard would develop personal problems and his career would stagnate, while Arn returned to WCW, formed another successful tag team with Larry Zbysko, and continued to be a major part of the four horsemen before a back injury forced him to retire. Whether you call them one half of the Four Horsemen or The Brainbusters, these two absolutely deserve the Hall of Fame, either as a team or as singles wrestlers.
VIII
Jake "The Snake" Roberts
Despite never holding a title of any kind during his years in the WWF, Jake "The Snake" Roberts is remembered as one of the biggest and brightest stars of the 1980's and early 1990's. There are several reasons for that. The python Damien, which he carried to the ring in a bag before having it constrict the life out of defeated opponents, was certainly a big part of. Obviously, the DDT, which was the deadliest and coolest move in wrestling at the time, contributed to that fame. The eerie promos he delivered, in a quiet, menacing voice are also certainly memorable. But the real reason Jake Roberts is remembered is that he mastered the psychology of his character. Everything from the way he moved in the ring to the way he talked to the calculated wrestling style he used to his story lines screamed "snake". Few, if any, wrestlers played their gimmick more perfectly than Jake Roberts. While he might not be "viewer friendly" in the current PG environment because of his personal demons, The Snake does deserve the honor.
VII
Lou Thesz
Thesz is the only wrestler on this list to never compete in the WWE, to my knowledge at least. However, WWE hasn't shied away from putting non-WWE stars, like Stu Hart, Gorgeous George, or the Von Erichs into the Hall if they deserve it, and Lou Thesz definitely deserves it. Thesz was a six-time NWA Heavyweight Champion and the biggest star of the "TV Era": the 1950's and 1960's where wrestling was one of the hottest things on television. He held the title for 3,749 days total, more than any other wrestler in history. He is the only wrestler to compete in seven consecutive decades. One of the true innovators of the sport, Thesz would have thrived in the 1980s and even in today's world because he had classy charisma and was a great, great wrestler. Thesz is a first-ballot Hall of Famer by a longshot, and no Hall of Fame is complete without the man who many critics still consider to be the greatest of all time.
VI
Mr. T
All due respect to Pete Rose, but when WWE decided to include a celebrity wing in their Hall of Fame, the first person they should have called was Mr. T. Perhaps they did call and he's rejected them, I don't know. Regardless, there are few celebrities that have had the kind of impact on Pro Wrestling that Mr. T had. The first Wrestlemania was sold on the main event, which saw Hulk Hogan team up, you guessed it, Mr. T against Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff. While the match isn't an all-time classic by any stretch of the imagination, much praise is given to Mr. T for his performance and living up to the pressure. He was also a large part of Wrestlemania 2, competing against Piper in a boxing match, which I feel is one of the most unfairly criticized matches in wrestling history. It is very difficult to imagine where WWE, and Wrestlemania in particular, would be today if it had not been for Mr. T's presence at the first two. I pity the fool who doesn't think Mr. T deserves his spot in the celebrity wing.
Warrior is little more than a punchline in modern WWE. I myself have gone on record as calling him a poor man's Sting, and never saw the big deal about him. However, The Ultimate Warrior was a huge star in his prime, one of the most popular characters in wrestling and seemingly the heir to Hulk Hogan's throne as the top dog. His promos, his look, his energy are all fondly remembered. Despite being a poor worker who's average match consisted of clotheslines and a press slam, Warrior did compete against Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania VI and Randy Savage at Wrestlemania VII in two of the most memorable matches in wrestling history. Obviously, the only thing keeping Warrior out of the Hall of Fame is the man himself, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be included here. For me personally, I'd love to hear the acceptance speech, where he should thank "the souls of Warriors past" for his success.
IV
Bob Backlund
Jim Ross has been campaigning for this guy's induction forever, and why he isn't in is just baffling to me. Bob Backlund is a two-time (three-time if you count Inoki's reign) WWF Champion, and held that title for most of four years. Only Hogan and Sammartino have logged more days as champion than Backlund, and while that is a sign of changing times, the fact remains that Backlund was the top guy for the company in the early 1980's before Hulkamania came calling. Backlund was the first champion in the territory to get over based on his in-ring ability, not his charisma (Graham), his physique (Sammartino) or his ethnicity (Morales). If Vince doesn't think he's a big enough star to headline a class, fine. Induct him the same year as Warrior or Savage. But, for goodness' sake, induct him! I mean, heck, you've even got his spiritual successor in Bryan Danielson on the roster to do the induction speech! Bob Backlund for Hall of Fame 2011!
III
The Road Warriors
If greatness is measured in success, these two are the greatest tag team ever. They drew more money than any other tag team, dominated North America and Japan, are the only team in history to win the AWA, NWA and WWF Tag Team Belts, were two of the very first "cool" heels, inspired imitations ranging from pathetic (The Powers of Pain) to almost as good (Demolition), stayed on top for most of two decades and are generally considered to be to tag wrestling what Hulk Hogan is to singles wrestling. Call them the Road Warriors or the Legion of Doom, Hawk and Animal changed the game of pro wrestling with their larger than life characters. These two have to be inducted at some point. WWE is pretty much the only Hall of Fame that doesn't have these two listed, and that's something they should rectify ASAP.
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Bruno Sammartino
The Living Legend. Bruno Sammartino's omission from the Hall of Fame is arguably the most grievous, but it's also the one you can't really blame the WWE for. They've approached Sammartino multiple times for induction, only for him to turn them down. So while most of these are, "Hey, come on WWE!", this one is a call out to Sammartino. Bruno's credentials speak for themselves. He was the second WWWF Champion (the predecessor to the WWF/WWE Champion) and had the longest uninterrupted world title reign in the history of wrestling. He would win a second title and continue his dominance into the 1970's. An extremely popular champion in the territorial days, Sammartino's name still inspires respect as both a man of the people and as a draw. The WWE as it exists today may be the house that Hogan built, but it was Bruno who laid the foundations. Sammartino will go into the HOF eventually, but I really hope he puts his issues aside and gives a final farewell to the WWE Universe so that it doesn't have to be a posthumous induction.
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Randy Savage & Miss Elizabeth
Yep, I'm pairing these two together. Everyone knows Randy Savage is HOF-worthy, but in my opinion, so is Miss Elizabeth, the First Lady of Wrestling. They were the biggest couple in wrestling history, with one of the greatest long term stories in wrestling history. They were and are virtually inseparable; I can't think of Randy Savage without Elizabeth, and I darn sure can't think of Liz without Savage. It only makes sense for them to be included as one entry. Savage obviously had the HOF Career; he was a star in the 1980's territorial system, renowned for his wild brawling and high flying ability, before making his mark in the WWF. He was a successful Intercontinental Champion, a two-time WWF Champion, and was Mr. Wrestlemania when Shawn Michaels was still teaming with The Rockers. He was both a great hero and a great villain, and continued to have success well into the 1990's, mostly in WCW, where he won more World Titles. One of wrestling's most recognizable superstars, Savage is a true legendary figure. And Elizabeth was every bit as important to his character as the eccentric mannerisms, the over-the-top outfits, and the gravelly voice. Is this a Hall of Fame pair? OHHHHHH YEAH! DIG IT!
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Next week, the Contentious Ten is going to take a break from mainstream wrestling. In honor of the one-year anniversary of his passing, next week I will cover The Top Ten Mitsuharu Misawa Matches. If you are a fan of Misawa, or are curious to know why he was held in such high esteem, you won't want to miss next week. If not, I'll see you guys in two weeks for something more "average American wrestling fan" friendly.
It never ceases to amaze me how many writers give Owen Hart a free pass. He had exactly one memorable feud, he never drew, he never established a much of an identity apart from Bret, and he nearly crippled Austin in one of the most egregious injuries I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen such blatant disregard for an opponent’s safety during a match. He should have been fired on the spot.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:54 PM
How in the world is Ultimate Warrior a poor man's Sting? Besides both wearing face paint they have virtually nothing else in common.
Posted By: Lakersin5 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:57 PM
great list bud and I totally agree with #1. Also your column has just the right amount of words in each write up, not too wordy.. which makes it one of my favorite weekly articles on here. Thanks for your hard work.
Posted By: Chad (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Road Warriors(Hell Warriors now) are still active in Japan, active wrestlers do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Once Animal retires then he'll go in the hall.
I suggest removing the Road Warriors and adding Ravishing Rick Rude
Posted By: Guest#9127 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:03 PM
If you stop and think about it, The Rock is not Hall of Fame worthy, that would be like saying Goldberg or Brock Lesnar are worthy. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Posted By: I'm Dead Serious (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:08 PM
Brooklyn Brawler.
Posted By: Guest#1875 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:15 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how many writers give Owen Hart a free pass. He had exactly one memorable feud, he never drew, he never established a much of an identity apart from Bret, and he nearly crippled Austin in one of the most egregious injuries I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen such blatant disregard for an opponent’s safety during a match. He should have been fired on the spot.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:54 PM
True. Austin's book pretty much buries Owen in that match for his lack of foresight. Pretty disgusting how Owen handled the situation as well.
As for his HOF spot-it is the IWC we are talking about. Daniel Bryan would be in. Dean Malenko would be in. Rick 'midcard' Rude would be in.
Not exactly looking at the big picture.....
Posted By: Carter (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:15 PM
mr t should go in. not sure about lt, after his recent arrest-not so pg.
Posted By: fro (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Too Bad the top 2 will NEVER be in the Hall of fame... Damn Shame
Posted By: marco (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:17 PM
AND JOHN CENA jk but he is awsome. How bout Killer K and Lilian Garcia and JR
Posted By: Vince (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Austin had a few unkind words to say about Owen - not so much about breaking his neck but more that he felt Owen didn't apologise properly. I'm sure someone can link the interview.
Posted By: 4dayslater (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Ultimate Warrior = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface.
Sting = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface with talent.
Not a hard concept.
Posted By: Fire Lord Hubbard (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
I agree with most of this except for the part where you said Owen had more charisma & athletic ability than Bret. I disagree with that part. I wish they would put the entire Hart Foundation into the HOF. Very good article and very good read. A lot of these people are more than HOF worthy. I mean, Koko B. Ware did make it in so the door is pretty much open for anybody.
Posted By: Mongo (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:31 PM
How in the world is Ultimate Warrior a poor man's Sting? Besides both wearing face paint they have virtually nothing else in common.
Posted By: Lakersin5 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Agreed. Both were paint, but were two completely different characters despite being partners at one time.
Now if you said Cena was a poor man's Sting, well...
Posted By: Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:36 PM
Ultimate Warrior = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface.
Sting = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface with talent.
Not a hard concept.
Posted By: Fire Lord Hubbard (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
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Sting was crazy? Sting had big muscles? When?
Posted By: Uh...no (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Besides both wearing face paint they have virtually nothing else in common.
Possibly the fact that they started as a tag team???
Posted By: BarnDude (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Good list. Another man I think needs to be inducted is Vader. His WWF run wasn't so great, but his work in japan and WCW was great. He's the first man to hold 4 world titles from 4 different countries simultaneously. Also the only reason he never won the WWF world champion is because Shawn Michaels was an asshole back then and refused to drop the belt to him.
I'll be sure to come back next week for that Misawa list. =]
Posted By: Yup. (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:39 PM
With Wrestlemania being in Atlanta next year we might see Tully & Arn, Thesz and the Warriors inducted.
Posted By: abwiz74 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:44 PM
this top 10 was perfect. excellent work.
Posted By: Riggs (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Owen's feud with Triple H was pretty good...
Posted By: Ryan Haseldine (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:46 PM
Ultimate Warrior and Sting are two VERY different characters. On the surface yes they wore face paint and seemingly captured the rebellious nature of wrestling at the time but there really were no traits in their styles or personality that were similar.
One was a mysterious 'warrior' who spoke in tongue who was absolutely bat crazy who'd destroy his opponent with raw power.
The other an actual fantastic wrestler with a surfer dude personality.
Warrior for all the shit he gets was the most exciting figure in wrestling at the time... I just wish someone would explode on the scene like he did and be brave enough to truly be different from all the cookie cutter guys out there at the moment.
As for Bob trying to bad mouth Owen.... did you ever see Owen wrestle? He was quite clearly one of the most gifted wrestlers in history versiltle to any style. The Austin injury what a black mark but from all accounts Owen was one of the nicest guys in ever in the business. Definitely HOF worthy.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:46 PM
Could not agree more with this top 10.
Posted By: The Anvil (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:51 PM
A great list.
Posted By: Guest#5266 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Sting is a cheap Warrior imitation from bush league WCW. The reason why you don't see the big deal about the Warrior is because you weren't alive back then.
Posted By: WWF Fan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 AM
If you stop and think about it, The Rock is not Hall of Fame worthy, that would be like saying Goldberg or Brock Lesnar are worthy. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Posted By: I'm Dead Serious (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:08 PM
WHAT? The Rock should be in the hall of fame because he was a constant factor during the time when WWF/E was put on the map and had the greatest stable feuds with DX. Sixth Triple crown winner, made WWF/E money almost as much as Austin during the attitude era, 9 times world champ and you compare him the Brock Lesnar and Goldberg. Are you serious?!? The Rock was Brock's stepping stone and the rock put brock over during a time when it was a good move for brock to be put over and Goldberg?! whatever dude! Give me ONE good reason he should not be a HOF'er. Do NOT say because he left the WWE to do movies because that is a load of crap and get over it!
Posted By: Guest#1649 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Slight correction, The Rock was a 9 time World Champ - 7 WWE championships (1 of which was the Undisputed Championship) and 2 WCW championships during the Invasion.
Posted By: AdamRock (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Give me ONE good reason he should not be a HOF'er. Do NOT say because he left the WWE to do movies because that is a load of crap and get over it!
Posted By: Guest#1649 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:08 AM
longevity. being the man for a couple years means jackshit. ala goldberg and/or lesnar and countless others.
Posted By: there's one (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Warrior is a much bigger star than Sting, so I don't see how he can be the poor man at all. He might be a poor man's Hogan, but very few wrestlers were ever as over as he was at his peak. He should be #1 on this list.
Posted By: Guest#2751 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Even though Savage is my favorite wrestler of all-time I think Bruno should actually be number 1 on this list. And in response to a previous posters post, Lou Thesz has no connection to Atlanta so if he is inducted next year it will be by coincidence
Posted By: Guest#3066 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Give me ONE good reason he should not be a HOF'er. Do NOT say because he left the WWE to do movies because that is a load of crap and get over it!
Posted By: Guest#1649 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:08 AM
longevity. being the man for a couple years means jackshit. ala goldberg and/or lesnar and countless others.
Posted By: there's one (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:20 AM
The almighty Stone Cold was really only "the man" from the fall of 97 to the fall of 99. So should he be thrown out of the HOF?
Posted By: Guest#2957 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:33 AM
I frown on this list 'cause you omitted The Undertaker.
Posted By: Kristian (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:34 AM
Why da hell you wanna put the wombat in Vince McMahon's Hall of Fame. That's risky bizness, Jack!
Posted By: D. Rhodes (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:36 AM
For those bitching about longevity, always remember:
Quality > Quantity, every single time
I'll take Rock, Brock, and Goldberg's brief runs over Cena's entire career.
Posted By: Guest#0544 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:36 AM
You people do realize that Koko B Ware is in the Hall of Fame. And frankly being the man from 1997-2002 is about the same length as Macho Man, Bob Backlund, Shiek etc etc etc.
Posted By: Guest#5530 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:37 AM
Rock-yes, Owen Hart-yes, Randy Savage & Miss Elizabeth-yes, Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson-yes, The British Bulldogs-yes, Jake "the Snake" Roberts-yes, Bruno Sammartino-yes, Lou Thesz-yes, the Road Warriors-yes, Giant Baba-yes, Yokozuna-yes, Bob Backlund-yes, Mr. T-yes, Shawn Michaels-HELL TO THE YES! The Ultimate Warrior-NO CHANCE IN SATAN'S BLACKEST HELL!
Posted By: KnyghtRyder (Registered) on June 07, 2010 at 12:38 AM
AND JOHN CENA jk but he is awsome. How bout Killer K and Lilian Garcia and JR
How long have you been watching? Two of the three have already been inducted, the third, well, did nothing special at all. I'll let you do the research to find out whose who....
Posted By: Papa D (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:44 AM
I know people always scoff when you talk about women being inducted, but what about Trish? A week can't go by without the current women being compared to her in a negative way. I'd say she's pretty damn iconic by diva standards. Certainly the most popular.
Or does Trish fall in to the Rock category, somebody that everybody is hoping will return at some point? Well, that's not happening. She's as busy as he is nowadays, with her yoga studio and all the other projects she's working on. Might as well induct both of them now, they have moved on from WWE.
Posted By: Guest#6505 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Warrior is a much bigger star than Sting, so I don't see how he can be the poor man at all. He might be a poor man's Hogan, but very few wrestlers were ever as over as he was at his peak. He should be #1 on this list.
Posted By: Guest#2751 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Correcting myself here. Even I wouldn't put him at #1. But #3 would be more like it.
Posted By: Guest#2751 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I hope Bruno doesn't accept. Like Sting never working for the company, it gives him a certain aura. Plus, by accepting he will make his fans think he sold out to McMahon(ala Bret). Bruno's fans will always remember him, everybody else can be reminded someday.
Posted By: Guest#5473 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Um...four words...I AM THE MOUNTIE!
Posted By: Jace (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:56 AM
Yeah lets have a sexist, racist, homophobic egomaniac lunatic in the Hall Of Fame. NO CHANCE. Warrior isn't fit to lace the boots of his former tag partner Sting. You know what? South Park had it wrong John Edwards ISN'T the biggest douche in the universe. Jim Hellwig is. Aside from him though I agree with every other choice listed.
Posted By: RockerDropper (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:00 AM
What about a lot of the ECW guys specifically Raven, Tazz, and Dreamer. They revolutionized the industry and a lot of the things they did where taken by the wwe and ran with to great success. The same goes with Diamond Dallas Page and Brian Pillman.
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:01 AM
If you stop and think about it, The Rock is not Hall of Fame worthy, that would be like saying Goldberg or Brock Lesnar are worthy. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Posted By: I'm Dead Serious (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:08 PM
WRONG!!!
Posted By: SS87 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:01 AM
Bruno Sammartino, Randy Savage, Miss Elizabeth, LOD, Goldberg, Bob Backlund, Ultimate Warrior, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, and Trish Stratus. That's about the only obvious names I can think of as far as people no longer involved in the business in any way.
And yes, people like Rock, Trish, and Brock deserve it, despite leaving the business early for other careers. People should be happy for their success, not use it as an excuse to keep them out of a hall of fame for a fake sport.
Posted By: Guest#1681 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:04 AM
I don't think Mr. T, Bruno, or the Warrior deserve to be on the list. Not because they shouldn't be in the hall, but because they have already all turned it down. You complain that you'd like to see the Rock come back full time (which he wouold never do because it would be idiotic considering the money he makes), but he doesn't disrespect the industry like Mr. T or Warrior. Bruno just hates Vince.
Savage is definitely number 1 and maybe now that he has found peace in his personal life he will be open to it.
Posted By: Willie D (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:07 AM
No Fabulous Freebirds?
No Crusher & Bruiser?
Posted By: Trashy (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:08 AM
I thought you were going to list less obvious choices. Savage might not be asked, and Bruno won't accept. Warrior's price hasn't been met yet. But everybody else on this list are shoe-ins.
Posted By: Guest#1795 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:10 AM
Elizabeth probably won't get in until the Savage thing is resolved. Too bad, because she should have gone in when the HOF was brought back in 2004.
Posted By: Guest#4762 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:11 AM
Savage is definitely number 1 and maybe now that he has found peace in his personal life he will be open to it.
Posted By: Willie D (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:07 AM
I think it's the other way around. Vince doesn't want him.
Posted By: Guest#3360 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:15 AM
When the only criteria is "being in good graces" with Vince McMahon...it's not a true HOF.
Posted By: Guest#5523 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:44 AM
Savage should have been in years ago. As for Owen, the first guy who posted brings up some good points but that shouldn't hold him back. Look at Bob Orton. Look at Bill Watts. Look at Pete Rose. None of these guys deserve it. Rose got inducted for basicly taking an ass kicking. Bob Orton is probably best remembered for his Wrestlemainia I appearence in which he didn't evan wrestle. And Watts had one promotion that went under, had all those stupid rules for wrestlers when he got to WCW which made the product worse then it already was, and made several racist comments when he was in charge there.
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:52 AM
Should have done top ten potential HOFers currently wrestling.
HM: Booker T (I forgot if he's retired completely), Christian, Victoria/Tara, CM Punk, Goldust, Rob Van Dam
10. Rey Mysterio
9. The Dudley Boys/Team 3D
8. Kane
7. Big Show
6. Cena
5. The Hardy Boys.
4. Jericho
3. Triple H
2. Sting
1. Undertaker
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:56 AM
Anybody bitching about these choices either wasn't there to see them in their prime, doesn't care about history, or is just trolling. I mean seriously, somebody's random list on the internet makes some of u ppl that mad? Anyway, of course The Rock deserves to be in and he will, as does and as will everyone on this list at some point I'm fairly certain. I'm not saying all the naysayers are kids but come on-how is a jaded internet "smark" in any position to judge who does and who does not "deserve" to make it into a HOF run by one man? Shit is hilarious. And if you are a newer fan-no offense but you shouldn't even be commenting on this if you're just gonna bash ppl that laid the foundation for what you see today.
Posted By: Guest#3627 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:03 AM
With th exception of Sammartino there is not a single person on this list that deserves to be ahead of The Rock or Shawn Michaels, both of whom you have as honorable mentions.
Posted By: Master of the Unknown (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:05 AM
The almighty Stone Cold was really only "the man" from the fall of 97 to the fall of 99. So should he be thrown out of the HOF?
Posted By: Guest#2957 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Austin-near 15 year career. Rock-4 years full-time. Longevity is key.
Posted By: Rock-No HOFer (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:31 AM
I should be in the HoF, but I understand why I never will be: everyone else from those already in to those yet to come would pale in comparison. I am nothing if not humble about how great I am.
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:33 AM
vince mcmahon anyone?
jim crocket
rick martel
sunny
Posted By: donnadahmer (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:49 AM
Great list, would love to see Barry Windham, Rick Martel, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Brother Love in the Hall too.
Posted By: 555 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:53 AM
Is this list suppose to be in order? Cause there is NO WAY Mr. T should be in the HOF before Arn Anderson. You wanna know why Arn and Tully got over with no gimmick in the gimmicky WWF? BECAUSE THEY COULD WRESTLE!Because they could put on a great match with just about anyone.
Anyone who thinks the Ultimate Warrior is better than Sting needs their head examined. Yes they both wore colorful face paint, both were muscular(even though I'd say Warrior was larger by a good amount) Sting could actually go in the ring. Which is why Sting held a world title more than once. Because he was dependable in the ring, and he may not have drawn "Flair Money" but he drew.
Thinking Warrior is better than Sting is just more WWE fanboys wishing thats the way things were.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:11 AM
Ultimate Warrior = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface.
Sting = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface with talent.
Not a hard concept.
Posted By: Fire Lord Hubbard (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
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Once again you show how completely stupid and uneducated about wrestling.
Saying Warrior is a poor man's Sting is like saying Shawn Michaels is a poor man's Stone Cold because they're both Texan.
Posted By: Guest#4857 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:22 AM
For those bitching about longevity, always remember:
Quality > Quantity, every single time
I'll take Rock, Brock, and Goldberg's brief runs over Cena's entire career.
Posted By: Guest#0544 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:36 AM
True The rock had more of an impact on the industry in 5 1/2 years (part time in 01-03, one match in 04) than anybody in modern day wrestling aside from stone cold. He had also eclipsed Austin in popularity by 01. There is a reason he is the most successful cross over wrestler ever.
Posted By: greg (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:30 AM
Most of these people on the list are already in the Pro Wrestling Hall Of Fame.......the REAL one that counts ya know. Get your facts straight buddy!!!
Posted By: Guest#6251 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:33 AM
Really great column. I agree with the honourable mentions as well. However, like most people, I don't think Owen Hart is HOF material. Really great wrestler, part of a famous family, and died tragically. But I mean, if they did that for everyone...
Road Warriors should DEFINATELY get in soon.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:25 AM
Listen to Sting's Original music too. Warriors WWF music was a rip off from it
Posted By: Guest#7265 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:38 AM
I've got to believe that Cyndi Lauper deserves a HOF spot more than Mr T. She did much more to help the Rock 'n' Wrestle Connection.
Irregardless, I found it funny that neither of those two big celebrities could cut a freakin' promo.
Posted By: George Peppard (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:55 AM
Road Warriors(Hell Warriors now) are still active in Japan, active wrestlers do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Once Animal retires then he'll go in the hall.
I suggest removing the Road Warriors and adding Ravishing Rick Rude
Posted By: Guest#9127 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:03 PM
It's not the same team. Hawk's been dead for 7 years. The RW/LOD was Hawk & Animal. If you want to say that the Hell Warriors count as part of the same lineage because Animal's included, then might as well throw King Kong Bundy & Jake Roberts (who is already on this list) in there because they were a part of the LOD at one time also.
Posted By: MissyNEVERWearssocksWithShoes (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:55 AM
The Freebirds should definetely be in the Hall of Fame.
Posted By: nym (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:20 AM
Barry Horrowitz and Iron Mike Sharpe!
Posted By: noamto (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:26 AM
One odd factor: Would Vince's ego allow some of these people in (regardless of if they accept/agree) before Vince himself is inducted?
Especially since Vince seems to think he'll live forever!
We're going to see King Kong Bundy (wait, he might still be active), Hillbilly Jim, Stan Hansen, Ivan Koloff (wait... he might still be active too), Mike McGuirk, Mike Rotundo, Big Boss Man, and Ray Stevens go in ahead of anyone Vince feels a beef towards.
And "Ravishing" Rick Rude deserves in. The in ring promos/intros he did opened up what we're used to now as much or more than anyone.
Posted By: Trashy (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:08 AM
What about Chyna? Disregarding our opinions about her video of course.
Posted By: Latex (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:12 AM
Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backland & Mr. T declined the hall of fame.
Posted By: Guest#8838 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:54 AM
All of the Von Erich boys as well as Thesz have competed for the WWWF & WWf. Every hall of famer has competed in either the WWWF/WWF/WWE at one time.
Most wrestled in Madison Square Garden.
Posted By: Guest#3110 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:58 AM
I love how people act like the hall of fame is an obligation every year. I think they need to take a year off and do it every other year.
Not to mention, has anyone even watched the last two years?! They are only given five minutes of talking time except for the headliner, who gets like 20 minutes.
Compare Stone Colds speech to Flair's or Hart's. No stories, nothing but a "thanks for watching me, try not to miss me too much because im in movies now and watch me there"
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 08:52 AM
Tully Blanchard looks like a skinnier Tony Soprano....
Posted By: CourtesyFlush (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:14 AM
"Elizabeth probably won't get in until the Savage thing is resolved. Too bad, because she should have gone in when the HOF was brought back in 2004."
Nope. 2004 was already overcrowded. In fact, the packed classes of 2004 and 2005 really watered down many of the future induction classes that needed a crown jewel inductee (like 2007 and this past year).
Savage needs to be the crown jewel of some induction class. We all know that the rumors of why he's allegedly blackballed is 1000% bullshit (unless you're retarded enough to believe it). There's a deeper, perhaps financial reason why the two sides aren't getting along.
As soon as Vince realizes the dollar signs a reunion with Savage would be and Savage works on his appearance (he looks older than both Hogan and Flair these days), Savage will be the centerpiece of a draft class that should be honored to have him in his graces.
Posted By: Brad B (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:29 AM
Adam Bomb?
Posted By: Guest#4101 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:37 AM
Funny how supposed fans act when their favorite wrestlers aren't being praised like they want. So since this is opinion based will just add an opinion.
Sometimes it is true someone said quality is better than quantity, however you pissed on that with the shot taken at Cena. If you compare careers at this point Cena's careeer is damn near proving more profitable for wrestling than that of the Rock, Brock and Goldberg. Hence if they haven't done it by the time he retires you will have to whine and complain again if/when he is inducted before Rock, Brock or Goldberg. Basically saying that to say, like it or not just because it seems to be the only way people can sound like a smart and or cool, try making a point without taking a shot at Cena.
Someone else pissing on Koko B Ware...if you were to look into your history a lot of your supposed stars wouldn't be anywhere if a vet like Koko wasn't willing to do the job to make them better in the ring and in some cases take care of them in the ring when they damn sure weren't that good yet. So find another way to make your argument about a guy getting into the Hall of Fame. Those treated like midcard jokes by the WWF back in the day were legit badasses in other territories which from what I read on this site, people on the indy circuit usually get some form of respect all the time and people thinking they should make it to the WWE. Same damn thing back in the day with midcarders like Koko and a few others, the WWE just saw fit to use them to push whom they thought would draw more.
As for guys like Warrior...being a predominantly WWF/E fan aside, Warrior got famous at a good time in the WWF, while Sting basically from NWA to WCW helped build WCW up to making them decent competition to the WWE. Warrior never really became a cornerstone for as long a time as Sting was in WCW and that was before either man won a title that was above 2nd teir or midcard. Then of course you go to the main eventing status Warrior did well but Sting just did better. Should warrior be in the Hall of Fame? Yes he should be however given you can't really control what might come out of his mouth.....the WWE can offer it to him but doubt he will take it unless he is over paid and he is given a live mic to go off on.
I agree with Savage/Elizabeth as well as Sammartino. I like the nod for Anderson and Tully as a lot of wrestlers almost were patterned after those two from their horsemen days.
Posted By: Guest#2083 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:39 AM
MISAWA!!!!!
Posted By: Guest#8050 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:46 AM
What idiot says that Warrior was better
than Sting? I believe you've been sucking Vinnie Mac's balls for too long and need to cum up for air! Warrior has about as much wrestling skills as Lex Luger and John Cena and even Hogan. These guys are entertainers
or brawlers, Sting can actually do some wrestling and actually did carry a
wrestling company even after Flair left. Warrior couldn't, and that's why
they had the Macho King crown him with the scepter and had Sgt. Slaughter beat him to give the title back to Hogan.
Posted By: The Real Scoop (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:58 AM
Honorable mentions: Jim Cornette, Rock and Roll Express, Larry Zybysko, Nikita Koloff.
Posted By: SpankyHamm (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:01 AM
Vader would be in my top 10.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:24 AM
What about the Freebirds? That should be a slam-dunk next year considering 'Mania is in Atlanta.
Posted By: Guest#5369 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:33 AM
What a stupid list. The WWE has asked Bruno & the Ultimate Warrior and they both said no.
It's not a real Hall of Fame when people turn it down.
Posted By: ODog (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Rock did more in a few years than most do in a lifetime. He is also the only star to truly go out on top with his physical health intact. Anybody who thinks Rock isn't HOF material is an idiot. The guy is a 9-time champ from the period before the brand split when you wouldn't see guys like Sheamus or Swagger holding titles, he was insanely popular, crossed over to the mainstream, had the highest ratings ever in Raw history, and put loads of people over. The guy is a legend.
Posted By: Guest#4725 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:59 AM
How in gods name am I not on this list?
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:00 AM
It's pointless debating who should or shouldn't be in the WWE Hall of Fame, when it is for a fake sport and decided by executives. I mean, Koko B. Ware is in there for fucks sake, and yet multiple legendary world champions aren't. Oh, and anybody who thinks Rock isn't HOF material is trolling, the guy is a 9-time world champ.
Posted By: Guest#4406 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Owne hart one of my favs but he never really accomplished anything outise of KOTR and beating BRet at WM.
He had the IC title when the IC title no longer meant anything.
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Hmm!! Mr T, WTF!!! The celebrity wing is a complete crock of shit to be honest. I'm amazed that Rick Rude hasn't been inducted or doesn't even make your honourable mention list.
Posted By: Mark P (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Road Warriors(Hell Warriors now) are still active in Japan, active wrestlers do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Once Animal retires then he'll go in the hall.
I suggest removing the Road Warriors and adding Ravishing Rick Rude
Posted By: Guest#9127 (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:03 PM
maybe remove mr t and add Rick Rude. Remove the Road warriors, you outta your freakin mind fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Guest#8420 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:32 AM
I suggest that Rick Rude & Slick are a must for the Hall of fame.
Posted By: Don Keyking (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Sting is a cheap Warrior imitation from bush league WCW. The reason why you don't see the big deal about the Warrior is because you weren't alive back then.
Posted By: WWF Fan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Well I was alive back then, and you sir are a jackass. There is no way that Warrior even holds a candle to the Stinger.
Great list.
Posted By: bobbalou24 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Sting is a cheap Warrior imitation from bush league WCW. The reason why you don't see the big deal about the Warrior is because you weren't alive back then.
Posted By: WWF Fan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Well I was alive back then, and you sir are a jackass. There is no way that Warrior even holds a candle to the Stinger.
Great list.
Posted By: bobbalou24 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:51 AM
"What about a lot of the ECW guys specifically Raven, Tazz, and Dreamer. They revolutionized the industry and a lot of the things they did where taken by the wwe and ran with to great success. The same goes with Diamond Dallas Page and Brian Pillman."
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:01 AM
What in the world did DDP revolutionize?? Outside of his matches with Savage in '97, he was an AWFUL wrestler, who never got better until 1999.
Posted By: Team J-Rod (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 PM
It will never happen, but I think Jim Cornette deserves a spot. While the bulk of his contributions have been elsewhere (Mid South, NWA, ROH, TNA), his WWF contributions were also pretty solid, as he helped get Yokozuna over in 1993. Plus, his "shoots" on WCW in the mid 90's were a thing of beauty. Unfortunately, this will never happen because he's burned every bridge there is to burn with the WWE.
If they want to induct divas, Sunny/Tammy Lynn Sytch would be a solid choice, as she helped to provide the template for women in wrestling, a beautiful bombshell who can serve as a solid manager. And her recent appearances show that she looks almost as hot as she did in the 90's.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:18 PM
to the idiot who posted as vince, JR is already in the HOF ya doof. I agree with everyone on the list but feel ravishing rick rude should be on it as well. i also think kevin nash and scott hall should DEFINITELY be there too. and thats the bottom line. and to the guy who said brock lesnar and goldberg should not be on it, i totally DISAGREE. brock lesnar had maybe the best first year of any wrestler EVER. and well, goldberg beat everybody when it was fair and square. put undertaker on there too. yes, already.
Posted By: beerslayer (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:23 PM
I could have sworn the Freebirds were already inducted.
If Longevity is more important than impact on the industry than Warrior and Rock should be removed in favor of The Brooklyn Brawler.
Posted By: K. Bett (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Agree w/ the list but think King Kong Bundy & Rick Rude should at least be honorable mentioned. If you have something to say... Koko B Ware is in the HOF.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:38 PM
To say that the Ultimate Warrior was a poor man's Sting means that you either didn't watch, or you just don't know shit. Moron!
Posted By: judge (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:52 PM
TRISH STRATUS.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:58 PM
They inducted the whole Hart family this year right? owen is deserving and even though Bret's my all time fav, Owen was a better athlete. As for Warrior vs Sting, as much as I cant stand Sting--he was by far the better worker and had a much longer career of memorable feuds. Warrior burned out too fast. Also for the record, Rick Rude should be on this list. If he were in his prime today he'd be a multi time World Champ and one of the top Heels in the Co. He was easily as good as DiBiase and had better fueds. Rude, DiBiase, and Roberts shouldve all had main event title runs but in the Hogan era that wasnt going to happen. All HOF's though.
Posted By: lowe (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Ultimate Warrior = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface.
Sting = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface with talent.
Not a hard concept.
Characters inspired fans the same way. Also - he called Warrior a "poor man's sting". Emphasis on POOR MAN
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:01 PM
no paul roma?
Posted By: Guest#8156 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:04 PM
Put Rocky in the Hall of Fame, but only if Austin inducts him. The staredown alone would be more worth your time than watching Wrestlemania.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:12 PM
I don't think Owen deserves it, he is only receiving sympathy votes becasue he tragically dies. He was good, but he never reached his greatness, and never drew. But then again there are a lot of people who don't deserve to be in it alrady, so the IWC guess should be happy that their boy will be in it at some point.
Posted By: Yes (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:13 PM
True. Austin's book pretty much buries Owen in that match for his lack of foresight. Pretty disgusting how Owen handled the situation as well.
As for his HOF spot-it is the IWC we are talking about. Daniel Bryan would be in. Dean Malenko would be in. Rick 'midcard' Rude would be in.
Not exactly looking at the big picture.....
Posted By: Carter (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:15 PM
I wouldn't put Danielson or Malenko in the WWE Hall of Fame. And i am one of the alleged basement dwellers that you speak of often.
No i'd wait for them to be put in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame....where they will probably both end up.
Do you really think we're that stupid? 6 Months in and we're declaring Daniel Bryan a Hall of Famer?! If we're that delusional i would have brought up Elijah Burke.
Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:19 PM
It's sad what happened to Owen, but the fact of the matter is he was nothing but a mid carder after Bret left, and his best matches and most memorable feud was against Bret, whom he probably wrestled hundreds of times before then.
He had main event status one time - against Bret - then had a brief resurgence after Bret walked. Of course the tag titles with yoko (but was that really great?) Other than that I don't recall Owen doing anything other than nearly ending Austin 3:16 prematurely
I'm sure he was a great guy and it's not personal i mean we are all sad what happened to him...but the facts just don't show that he is a hall of famer.
Posted By: henry (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Hall and Nash. Both were part of Vince's top 5 (taker, hbk, bret) in the mid-90's. Nash is a former WWE and WCW world champ, Hall is a 4 time IC champ and had one of the greatest wrestlemania matches of all time. he was also the first anti-hero tweener when stone cold was still a hollywood blonde.
Oh and no monday night wars and thus no attitude era if they don't jump to WCW.
Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:36 PM
The Gobbledy Gooker
The Goon
Salvatore Sincere
Duke "the Dumpster" Droese
Beaver Cleavage
Bastion Booger
Repo Man
Skinner
Posted By: Guest#8138 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 01:50 PM
Good list but I'd have to put Bruno number 1..also Ivan Koloff and Killer Kowalski should be in (if they aren't already)
Posted By: The Legend (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:16 PM
If you stop and think about it, The Rock is not Hall of Fame worthy, that would be like saying Goldberg or Brock Lesnar are worthy. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Posted By: I'm Dead Serious (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:08 PM
Goldberg is probably going in at some point and lesnar was not around as long as Rock or had the same impact nor drew the amount of money as rock did. That is a terrible comparison.
Posted By: Guest#8522 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:35 PM
DAMN! I think one person that everyone is missing is Ron Simmons. He was the first African American World Champion. He was one half of Doom in WCW, who feuded with the Steiner Brothers (2 more guys who are eventually HOF worthy as a team, IMO), and of course in the WWE, was a member of Nation of Domination and The Acolytes.
And for those who think the Ultimate Warrior is a bigger star than Sting is just as crazy as the Ultimate Warrior. People might resent this comment, but Ric Flair might not have been The Man" if he never feuded with Sting. Their last match on Nitro and the way they embraced each other at the end shows the amount of respect "The Man" has for Sting.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:37 PM
Mr. T wasn't asked to be in the HoF before Pete Rose. When they finally asked him, it was after Rose's induction, and he said no because they put Rose in before him.
Posted By: Guest#7980 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:40 PM
Ultimate Warrior = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface.
Sting = Big muscles, facepaint, crazy, wildly over young main eventer babyface with talent.
Not a hard concept.
Posted By: Fire Lord Hubbard (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
Sting was crazy?
Posted By: Guest#3367 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:49 PM
Owen had some other memorable feuds against DX, Austin, 1995-96 against HBK and was yes he made a mistake against Austin but it happens in the business sadly I doubt it was intentional.
Posted By: Guest#9489 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:53 PM
t never ceases to amaze me how many writers give Owen Hart a free pass. He had exactly one memorable feud, he never drew, he never established a much of an identity apart from Bret, and he nearly crippled Austin in one of the most egregious injuries I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen such blatant disregard for an opponent’s safety during a match. He should have been fired on the spot.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:54 PM
True. Austin's book pretty much buries Owen in that match for his lack of foresight. Pretty disgusting how Owen handled the situation as well.
As for his HOF spot-it is the IWC we are talking about. Daniel Bryan would be in. Dean Malenko would be in. Rick 'midcard' Rude would be in.
Not exactly looking at the big picture.....
Posted By: Carter (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 11:15 PM
yeah and typical IWC bashing idiot yeah rude who was a world chmapion in WCW and main evented in wwe is a really good comparison calling him a midcarder is a bigger joke.
Posted By: Guest#8377 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:55 PM
Sting is a cheap Warrior imitation from bush league WCW. The reason why you don't see the big deal about the Warrior is because you weren't alive back then.
Posted By: WWF Fan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:03 AM
First of all you're a typical wwe idiot they were teamates before going their seperate ways. Sting was in the NWA before Warrior showed up and didn't flake out on his company as many times.
Posted By: Guest#2748 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:58 PM
Give me ONE good reason he should not be a HOF'er. Do NOT say because he left the WWE to do movies because that is a load of crap and get over it!
Posted By: Guest#1649 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:08 AM
longevity. being the man for a couple years means jackshit. ala goldberg and/or lesnar and countless others.
Posted By: there's one (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:20 AM
he was in the business 8 years moron can you at least make a legit point. He started in late 96 and was finished in 04.
Posted By: Guest#3614 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:00 PM
The almighty Stone Cold was really only "the man" from the fall of 97 to the fall of 99. So should he be thrown out of the HOF?
Posted By: Guest#2957 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Austin-near 15 year career. Rock-4 years full-time. Longevity is key.
Posted By: Rock-No HOFer (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 02:31 AM
1996-2004 rock wrestled at least have your facts straight before you open your mouth.
Posted By: Guest#8717 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:02 PM
Where's Barry Horowitz?
There has never been such a riveting story as the little jobber who could.
But in all seriousness, what about Rick Rude? He was a solid performer and could get heat whenever he wanted by simply swinging his hips.
I liked Owen as much as the next guy, but Rude would be there instead.
Posted By: MPMoore (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:06 PM
unny how supposed fans act when their favorite wrestlers aren't being praised like they want. So since this is opinion based will just add an opinion.
Sometimes it is true someone said quality is better than quantity, however you pissed on that with the shot taken at Cena. If you compare careers at this point Cena's careeer is damn near proving more profitable for wrestling than that of the Rock, Brock and Goldberg. Hence if they haven't done it by the time he retires you will have to whine and complain again if/when he is inducted before Rock, Brock or Goldberg. Basically saying that to say, like it or not just because it seems to be the only way people can sound like a smart and or cool, try making a point without taking a shot at Cena.
Someone else pissing on Koko B Ware...if you were to look into your history a lot of your supposed stars wouldn't be anywhere if a vet like Koko wasn't willing to do the job to make them better in the ring and in some cases take care of them in the ring when they damn sure weren't that good yet. So find another way to make your argument about a guy getting into the Hall of Fame. Those treated like midcard jokes by the WWF back in the day were legit badasses in other territories which from what I read on this site, people on the indy circuit usually get some form of respect all the time and people thinking they should make it to the WWE. Same damn thing back in the day with midcarders like Koko and a few others, the WWE just saw fit to use them to push whom they thought would draw more.
As for guys like Warrior...being a predominantly WWF/E fan aside, Warrior got famous at a good time in the WWF, while Sting basically from NWA to WCW helped build WCW up to making them decent competition to the WWE. Warrior never really became a cornerstone for as long a time as Sting was in WCW and that was before either man won a title that was above 2nd teir or midcard. Then of course you go to the main eventing status Warrior did well but Sting just did better. Should warrior be in the Hall of Fame? Yes he should be however given you can't really control what might come out of his mouth.....the WWE can offer it to him but doubt he will take it unless he is over paid and he is given a live mic to go off on.
I agree with Savage/Elizabeth as well as Sammartino. I like the nod for Anderson and Tully as a lot of wrestlers almost were patterned after those two from their horsemen days.
Posted By: Guest#2083 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:39 AM
Cena is not anywhere near Rocks drawing power the numbers today are inflated. You can twist the numbers anyway you want but today there is no way they touch the attitude eras level of money making and recognition.
Posted By: Guest#5811 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:08 PM
Cena is not anywhere near Rocks drawing power the numbers today are inflated. You can twist the numbers anyway you want but today there is no way they touch the attitude eras level of money making and recognition.
Posted By: Guest#5811 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:08 PM
I agree that Cena hasn't drawn as much as the Rock but I doubt the difference is that wide. WWE is still profitable in North America with all kinds of licenses, and growing in popularity around the world little by little. DVD sales must help as well, since they're recycling a lot of old footage to turn around and sell at a profit.
Back on topic though, I'd say both John Cena and The Rock deserve to be in the HoF.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:22 PM
"the first person they should have called was Mr. T. Perhaps they did call and he's rejected them, I don't know"
-WWE called Mr. T, he rejected BASED on the fact that Pete Rose was inducted before he was, and he claimed the Celebrity Wing was a joke.
-Warrior was contacted this year about entering the HOF as the 'headliner' and was on board, but pulled out a few weeks before the show, which is why WWE decided to make Stu Hart the 'headliner' of the 2010 class.
"But, for goodness' sake, induct him!...Bob Backlund for Hall of Fame 2011!"
-Again, Backlund was contacted by WWE to enter the class a few years ago, but he turned them down, because he felt he "still had on good run left..." Doubtful. Then again, TNA is hiring in his age bracket.
Posted By: Wyld (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:26 PM
I know he's working for TNA, but how bout Mick Foley? He's gotta be HOF bound
Posted By: JD (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:55 PM
Cena is not anywhere near Rocks drawing power the numbers today are inflated. You can twist the numbers anyway you want but today there is no way they touch the attitude eras level of money making and recognition.
Posted By: Guest#5811 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:08 PM
I agree that Cena hasn't drawn as much as the Rock but I doubt the difference is that wide. WWE is still profitable in North America with all kinds of licenses, and growing in popularity around the world little by little. DVD sales must help as well, since they're recycling a lot of old footage to turn around and sell at a profit.
Back on topic though, I'd say both John Cena and The Rock deserve to be in the HoF.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 03:22 PM
How great of a draw you are at the box office depends on three things, ppv buy rates, and tv ratings, and how recognizable out are out of the ring. Look at the numbers during The Rock's time and compare it to Cena's. The Rock smashes him in every category.
Posted By: johny (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:22 PM
"I think one person that everyone is missing is Ron Simmons. He was the first African American World Champion"
I don't remember the African American World Championship. Was that a title in the early 80's?
"He was one half of Doom in WCW, who feuded with the Steiner Brothers"
Pierre was one half of the Quebecers who feuded with the Steiners in the WWF. Should he be in also?
"of course in the WWE, was a member of Nation of Domination"
So was D-Lo and PG-13. Your point being?
Posted By: Guest#2025 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:22 PM
I'll take Rock, Brock, and Goldberg's careers over Cena too. That's not an insult at Cena, or his drawing power. It's the fact that he has never entertained me the way those guys did. Brock and Goldberg were always fun to watch, and Rock is in a category by himself.
Posted By: Guest#7375 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:39 PM
great list bud and I totally agree with #1. Also your column has just the right amount of words in each write up, not too wordy.. which makes it one of my favorite weekly articles on here. Thanks for your hard work.
Posted By: Chad (Guest) on June 06, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Lol.
Anyways, HBK and The Rock as honorable mentions destroys the list's credibility.
Posted By: Guest#1454 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:08 PM
This list needs his Lord Alfred Hayes
Posted By: Promotional Consideration (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:10 PM
Its a conspiracy I tell ya that Jumpin' Jeff Farmer is not in the Hall of Fame. His promos were a work of art. When will the IPW get the respect of writers and fans outside the Ozarks. I have talked to the wrestlers, the referees, my doctor, my dog, the kid at the McDonald's drive thru in Springdale, Arkansas and I get no answers. I gonna to keep looking into this but its a conspiracy I tell ya.
Posted By: The Georgeous JR (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:26 PM
Owen is definitely a polarizing choice, but I go back to the "If you weren't there to watch him, don't say anything" argument.
As for his charisma exceeding Bret, that is GLARINGLY obvious. His athletic ability was incredible; his match with Bulldog in Germany (It's on some DVD) was one of my top ten best of all time (Check it out if you can!) and his cage match with Bret his incredible (That suplex off the cage blew my mind back then). As for "Not putting butts in seats" that is ridiculous. The crowd hated Owen; I affectionately remember the crowd yelling "Nugget" to him in his NOD days and no one was more conniving in his time teaming with Bulldog and Yokozuna in Camp Cornette. On the flip side, even though much has been said about them, his purposely bad matches were hilarious: kicks to the butt, lame karate chops, girly slaps, high-stepping irish whips, the jokey way he sold things (His hardcore match with Foley was the best comedy hardcore match ever).
So, yeah, Owen was great and dare I say BETTER than Bret, world titles be damned!
Bonus List Note: I get for historical purpose, but I hate the Gutwrench. Not sure if it applies, but the Gordbuster would be my choice for it (That's Double A, jack!)
Posted By: ThePants (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:44 PM
"Ravishing" Rick Rude was a former World, Intercontinental, US , and tag champ. In the 80's and 90's he scored victories over Paul Orndorff, Ricky Steamboat,Kerry Von Erich,Ric Flair,Barry Windham,Nikita Koloff, Randy Savage,Jimmy Snuka, Magnificent Muraco, Ken Patera,Sting, Ultimate Warrior (hoy many have pinned both Blade Runners?) and many others. His US title reign is the second longest in history and lost it due to injury.
Not a midcarder by any means.
Posted By: Rod (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 05:49 PM
No Benoit? =O
Posted By: 16s (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:04 PM
Trish Stratus? She's beautiful and everything, seems like a cool chick in real life, but I don't see her as a hall of famer. I don't think any diva deserves it to be honest with you. Maybe Elizabeth if she goes in with Savage, but that's it.
Trish got pushed hard for a few years, wanted to get married and try other things. So she's sort of like Brock in that sense. As far as "impact" on the business, they are flash in the pans. And I'd argue Sable, Chyna, and Lita were all more over at their peak than she ever was, but they shouldn't go in either.
I know alot of you are in love with Trish, and I do respect the way she has transitioned in to the real world so well, but her career was not HOF worthy. I hope she does become a huge star in the fitness world or whatever, but her wrestling career will be forgotten in five years.
Posted By: Guest#6437 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:07 PM
DAMN
Posted By: Ron Simmons (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:10 PM
I deserve an honorable mention. Or, at least a pat on the back.
Posted By: Barry Horowitz (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:16 PM
Agree with most all of this except I'd put Mr. T. as an Honorable Mention and replace him with Rick Rude.
Rude was way over as an arrogant heel and played his gimmick so well it's nearly impossible not to consider him. His feuds with Warrior were big draws and could carry an undercard.
Posted By: Da Truth Tella (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 06:45 PM
Top 10 Suplexes...
how do you leave off Tully's Slingshot Suplex?
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:01 PM
Yes to everybody on the list, no to everybody that has been mentioned in the comments.
Posted By: Guest#1857 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:01 PM
"I think one person that everyone is missing is Ron Simmons. He was the first African American World Champion"
I don't remember the African American World Championship. Was that a title in the early 80's?
"He was one half of Doom in WCW, who feuded with the Steiner Brothers"
Pierre was one half of the Quebecers who feuded with the Steiners in the WWF. Should he be in also?
"of course in the WWE, was a member of Nation of Domination"
So was D-Lo and PG-13. Your point being?
Posted By: Guest#2025 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Ron Simmons was the first "black" world champion (aka African-American in politically correct terms). The overall point is that he's had more long success than a lot of wrestlers. I wasn't saying he should be in the HOF because he was in Doom or the Nation of Domination. He should be in it for his success as a former world champion and tag team champion, both of which many wrestlers never attain. As tag team champion, he was involved in a lot of memorable feuds with the biggest tag teams of the time such as the Steiners.
In addition, I agree Rick Rude should be a future Hall of Famer. Even though he was only a midcarder, he is one of the more memorable stars of the 80s and 90s. One of the funniest moments in wrestling, during the Monday Night Wars, I remember how he was on Raw and Nitro at the same time because Raw was taped back then.
Being in the HOF isn't just based on the success of the person, but the impact they had on the industry. How that impact is measured and the credibility of that impact will always be debatable in the eyes of the fans and their favorite wrestlers. I bet if the pro wrestlers themselves were asked who should be in the HOF, some choices will be the same while others will be different because they may have actually worked with them.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:02 PM
Steve Keirn
A phenomenal athlete. Was tremendously successful with his tag team partner Stan Lane as the Fabulous Ones in the AWA. His arrival in the WWF as Skinner, was dream come true to wrestling fans from around the word. I remember seeing promos of him walking in swamps with chewing tobacco handing out of his mouth. Awesome. This list is crap because of the fact that Steve Keirn is not on this list.
Posted By: Coreyoni (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 07:11 PM
Backlund isn't interested in the HOF. Vince has asked a number of times already.
Posted By: Guest#3766 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 08:41 PM
I don't remember the African American World Championship. Was that a title in the early 80's?
Posted By: Guest#2025 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Another guy commented on yours and gave you the good & fair response back...I'm gonna say u are a fuckin' idiot
Posted By: SS87 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 08:51 PM
Owen Hart, Rick Rude, The Rock, The Road Warriors, Randy Savage & Elizabeth
Posted By: damian (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 09:54 PM
Uh Hubbard, you should do some fact checking, and look up this tag team known as the Blade Runners.
Posted By: ... (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:05 PM
owen DIED FOR FUCKS SAKES!!!! that says it all. bruno, absolutely. warrior, absolutely not. lod, yes. arn yes, tully no. and maybe savage wont get it cuz the rumour is still going around that he fucked an underage stephanie
Posted By: pjl32 (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 10:49 PM
all of your list and honorable mentions
the obvious ones like taker hhh foley angle jericho show nash steiners
demolition
freebirds
rick martel
rick rude
midnite express
r n r express
billy robinson
vader
bruiser brody
abdullah the butcher
mil mascaras
paul heyman
jim cornette
the tunney family
bam bam bigelow
barry windham
mike rotundo
plus like baba at least chono muta and liger
and like thesz all the old school guys
oconnor watson hodge miller etc etc
and any luchadores santo mascaras etc etc
Posted By: truefan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:05 PM
ray stevens
the crocketts
joe blanchard
sam muchnik
don owens
sunny
sable
Posted By: truefan (Guest) on June 07, 2010 at 11:11 PM
The Rock did as much for the WWE as Austin but Austin's in the HOF.
No real complaints anywhere. I'd place Rock in the top 10 over Owen although I believe Owen deserves to get in, not just ahead of the Rock.
Posted By: Big Fat Fag (Guest) on June 08, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Larry Z should be a hall famer in the wwe , but vince does not like him.
Posted By: Ek 187 (Guest) on June 08, 2010 at 08:32 PM
CYNDI LAUPER!!!
Demolition
Sunny
Steiner Brothers
Prof. Toru Tanaka
Rick Martel
Rick Rude
King Kong Bundy
Posted By: Ollie By Golly (Guest) on June 08, 2010 at 08:52 PM
Reality check Reality Check Sting may be a better wrestler than the Ultimate Warrior, however Vince will kiss the warriors ass before he even considers Sting in the HOF, you think Vince will allow someone who never worked for him and always and still is working for the competiton in? You'll see Marty Janetty, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Stephanie Mchmahon and even Paul Roma before Sting gets in.
Posted By: Pete K (Guest) on June 09, 2010 at 03:15 AM
I agree with most of the names on this list as far as who should go in.
I disagree with Owen Hart because he's never been a main eventer and is only really being pushed for the HOF because of his death, which isn't a reason for somebody to be in the HOF. As far as the rest, I agree.
Since its WCW themed in Atlanta next year lets hope Michael P.S Hayes and the Freebirds get in!
Posted By: Black Scorpion (Guest) on June 09, 2010 at 03:57 AM
Induct Benoit. That is all.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on June 10, 2010 at 06:19 AM
Benoit will never be in F#$%#ck him
Posted By: Pete K (Guest) on June 11, 2010 at 09:37 PM
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