411's Instant Analysis 08.30.10: WWE Monday Night Raw
Posted by Ryan Byers on 08.31.2010
Bret Hart ran afoul of Kane and the Raw GM, Nexus took on Team WWE in an elimination match main event, Melina fought LayCool in an interpromotional women's match and more! Check out 411’s Instant Analysis for all the details!
WILLKOMMEN!
Welcome kids to a little fun we're going to have here at 411. The Instant Analysis column is the companion piece to 411 Live Pay-Per-View Coverage and features immediate reaction to wrestling pay-per-views. The focus in Instant Analysis is on first thoughts and initial reactions instead of play-by-play, with the goal of providing you with instant access to writers' thoughts on the show. We have decided to give these a try for some of the TV shows, so lets see how things work out . . .
SEGMENT ONE Did I Accidentaly Get the Wrong Show Off My DVR? Analysis: I get in a few minutes late, and Bret Hart and Kane are already in the ring when I turn on the television. Kane is delivering a monologue to Bret about leaving the Undertaker in a vegetative state, and Bret looks like he could not care less. Based on the reaction of the crowd, they agree, as it's dead silent in the arena. The problem with running what is essentially a Smackdown angle on Raw is that, even live, a lot of the fans aren't watching the show, so they have no reason to care . . . even when it involves perpetual crowd favorite UT. Anyway, Bret smarts off to the monster, as all semi-crippled middle aged men would do in this situation, and he gets goozled. The Hart Dynasty sans Nattie run out for the save but are dispatched quickly. If you're going to treat the Tag Champs like utter jay-brones, why not just send out a couple of nameless indy guys in "security" shirts instead? Anyway, the UNDERTAKER'S DONG goes off, and we've got a save from the Dead Man. He stares his brother down and Kane retreats. Not to be outdone by Taker's dong, Cole's ding goes off as well, and our guest GM books Bret versus Taker in our main event for the evening. If you couldn't tell from my snark, this sucked. Rating: 1/2*
SEGMENT TWO Kofi Kingston & Michael McGuillicutty vs. Kaval & Daniel Bryan Danielson vs. Mike the Miz & Alex Riley Match Result: Miz pins Ki. Match Length: Three minutes. Match Analysis: Michael Cole wastes no time in dubbing Kaval and Bryan the internet dream team and claiming that their total height is 5'9". King says this is the three NXT rookies and their pros squaring off. I WISH that were true, because throwing LayCool in there with Kaval instead of Danielson would make this one of my dream matches. AmDrag runs wild on everybody early before getting caught in the SOS by Kofi. Riley takes over on Kingston, and I guess you could say he's getting Riley-ed up. No? Not laughing? Screw you, Lansdell would've loved that one. Eventually Kofi and Bryan get stereo hot tags, setting up Kaval's dragon clutch on Perfect's kid before Riley makes the save. Riley saves, and this sets up an INSANE running dropkick from the former Low Ki on Perfect's kid. He follows that with the kappo kick and the warrior's way, but Miz sneaks up and pins him with the Stroke. I'm not a fan of the finish there, because, even though Miz is clearly the biggest star of the crew, if the point is to get over the NXT finale tomorrow night, you may as well have the guy who you want to win that show get a victory over the guy that you want to lose. After the bell, Riley distracts Bryan and Miz takes him out with the briefcase. The post-match angle was decent . . . the match was nothing to write home about, but at least it was wall-to-wall action. Rating: **
SEGMENT THREE Melina Perez & Eve Torres vs. Michelle McCool & Layla El Match Result: Perez pins McCool. Match Length: One minute. Match Analysis: Michael Cole makes fun of Snooki on commentary early on. Screw you, Cole, Snooki is the best heel on television right now. As far as the "match" is concerned, it's literally about two moves. When we're done, LayCool challenge Perez to a title unification match at the next pay per view, which Melina accepts so long as it is a . . . lumberjack match? What? The Raw girls come out to flank Melina to close the segment. Lame match, and, it seems like I say this every week, but I'm tired of gimmick matches being booked just for the sake of booking gimmick matches. A lumberjack match would work if there had been an angle where McCool and El were running from Melina week in and week out and the 'jacks were necessary to even the odds, but that's just not been the case. Rating: DUD
SEGMENT FOUR John Morrison & R-Truth vs. Dashing Cody Rhodes & Drew McIntyre for the number one contendership to the WWE Tag Team Titles Match Result: No contest. Match Length: One minute. Match Analysis: Damn. I was hoping that, as part of the Raw anniversary celebration, Rhodes would reunite with his former partner Hardcore Holly. A cheap shot by Cody leads to the match turning into a four man brawl almost right off the bat, and the referee calls for the bell for a double DQ within fifteen seconds. The brawl continues afterwards, with Killings getting in a nice tope on Cody and Drew WAFFLING Morrison with a kick. Johnny responds by tackling the Scot into the GM's laptop podium, and that's the end of the segment. There were a couple of awesome looking spots in post-match stuff, but, by and large, there was nothing to this one. Rhodes and McIntyre seemed like a bit of an odd pairing, but, otherwise, everybody involved is talented enough that I wouldn't mind seeing this result in a three-way match with the Harts at the pay per view. Rating: 1/2*
SEGMENT FIVE Bret Hart vs. The Undertaker Match Result: Never started. Match Length: Not applicable. Match Analysis: From Bret's physique, it looks like he did not get that much advance notice of his appearance on this show. Before anything happens, Wade Barrett barges in and goes after UT. He's immediately clotheslined out and made to look like a total chump. However, seconds later, the lights go out and Kane is in the ring but Bret Hart is gone. The announcers don't even mention where Bret might have vanished to. The lights go out again just as Taker gets an apparent advantage, and Kane is gone but the rest of Nexus is hitting the ring. The Undertaker kills them all, but the lights are out one more time and Kane is on the entrance ramp with Barrett hitting the lame-o-plex on the Dead Man. That sets up the 450 from Justin Gabriel. In an interesting spot, Taker tries to sit up after the assault but crumples back to the mat in mid-move. I get people vehemently disagreeing with me every time I criticize how WWE has handled the booking of Nexus, but I wasn't a fan of how they came off here. Again, they're supposed to be a legitimate, dangerous force of badass heels, but they essentially got taken out five-on-one here and only retook the advantage when they were helped out by Kane. It would be one thing if the other four were goofs and Barrett changed the game when he ran in, but the fact that Wade was taken out first and then all of his flunkies were dispatched as well made them come off as complete and utter jokes. That's been the problem with the Nexus push from the beginning. Some forces in WWE seemingly want to put them over but others are afraid that they'll offend existing power structures if they put them over in a way that isn't a total fluke, so the result is a bunch of segments where they technically win but only win because they got lucky or somebody else did the dirty work. The one guy in the modern era who truly got over like gangbusters within less than a year in WWE was Brock Lesnar, and do you know how WWE got him over? They didn't get him over by having him win a bunch of matches by count out or having him tap out to John Cena on pay per view. They got him over by having him defeat progressively harder opponents and defeat them in a dominating fashion. That's the kind of push that at least one member of Nexus needs, and I can't for the life of me understand why nobody has figured that out yet. Rating: DUD
SEGMENT SIX Jack Swagger vs. Evan Bourne Match Result: Swagger wins by ankle lock submission. Match Length: Three minutes. Match Analysis: This match was completely ignored because Alberto del Rio got to make his full entrance as the two men were wrestling, complete with Bentley, waterfall pyro, and Spanish language ring announcer. He cut a promo about taking out Rey Misterio and sounded pretty damn good in the process, after which he attacked Evan Bourne and applied his cross arm breaker. Mark Henry ran down for the save. Henry needs to turn heel and get repackaged/repushed, because this deal where he's the first babyface that a new heel gets to take out is fairly tired right now. This was essentially a three minute long commercial the message of which was, "Please, for the love of god, watch this Del Rio guy on Smackdown." Alberto looked like a star in front of many viewers who were probably seeing him for the first time, so in that regard it was a success. However, with the match, Del Rio's entrance, and Henry's run-in all crammed into three minutes, this felt as overbooked as some of TNA's worst offenses . . . and we all know how I feel about TNA. Rating: *
SEGMENT SEVEN Mother Punker Analysis: CM Punk is out with the now Serena-less Straight Edge Sausage-fest. Because we were coming off of a retrospective video package of the Mick Foley/Rock "This is Your Life" segment (in which all of the good jokes were cut because of the PG edict), Punk asks if we miss the Rock. He says that we shouldn't, because Rocky, like the majority of Raw superstars, promoted poor family values. He highlights the worst examples of this, including HHH invading Randy Orton's home from 2009, John Cena throwing Edge into Long Island Sound from 2006, D-Generation X invading WCW from 1998, and Steve Austin giving Vince McMaon a beer-bath originally in 1998 and then again in a rehash segment in 2007. There are a lot of smarky in-jokes here, including Punk namedropping Katie Vick and saying that he would never throw another wrestler into a body of water. For the 95% of you who don't get it because you weren't watching the show at the time, that's supposed to be funny because Punk threw Chavo Guerrero, Jr. into the Gulf of Mexico in a very similar angle when the two of them were feuding on ECW. Eventually Punk asks the crowd if he'd like to see Steve Austin spray HIM with beer, and Austin's music plays but it turns out to be a ruse by the Straight Edge Savior. The Chicagoan decides that he's going to play one more clip, this time from a "good show," and it's Brock Lensar superplexing the Big Show through the ring. Punk says that he doesn't know who the other guy in the clip ways but that Show sure was looking fat. Naturally, BS intervenes. Punk calls him "Captain Insano." For the 95% of you who don't get it because you were six at the time the movie came out, that's supposed to be funny because Big Show played a character by that name in the Adam Sandler film The Waterboy. Show does a Hulk Hogan impression, and, eventually, the wrestlers come to blows. The Giant stands tall at the end of the confrontation. I really couldn't stand this segment. I don't know if he wrote his own material for this or whether he was fed a script, but Punk's attempts at humor came off as a really pathetic effort to get over with people who write and read columns like this one. One sly reference to the past can work and get some chuckles out of yours truly, but constantly alluding to obscure pieces of WWE history makes you come off as desperate to be perceived as "cool." Things get even worse when you claim not to know who Brock Lensar is when virtually everybody watching this show is aware that Lesnar is a significantly bigger pay per view draw and mainstream star right now than virtually anybody in WWE with the possible exception of John Cena. I'd have to reflect on this a bit more before coming to a final conclusion, but, right now, I feel like this would rank in my ten worst Raw segments of the year if I had to pick them today. Rating: -**
SEGMENT EIGHT Sheamus, John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, & Chris Jericho vs. Wade Barrett, Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, Michael Tarver, & David Otunga in an elimination match Match Result: Nexus wins with Barrett as the sole survivor. Match Length: Twelve minutes. Match Analysis: Jericho immediately walks out on Team WWE for the first elimination . . . and then Edge shoves down referee Charles Robison to get intentionally DQ'ed. That puts Cena in the ring against Michael Tarver, and they go at it for a few seconds until Sheamus tags in. I figured that the Irishman would be walking out as well, but he goes toe-to-toe with both Tarver and later Heath Slater. David Otunga is the first Nexus member to get in any offense of substance, but even he spends the majority of his time in the ring with the champ getting beaten up. Then, in a sentence that I never really thought that I would type, Nexus starts getting the heat on Sheamus. Eventually the champ gets caught in the heel corner and is beaten on by all four men before Slater catches him from behind with the sleeper drop and gets the three count for the elimination. Almost no time passes before Cena eliminates the One Man Rock Band with the FU. Now that was ridiculous. First of all, if you're going have somebody from Nexus pin Sheamus, why wouldn't it be Barrett so that you can add a little bit more heat to the title match at the pay per view? Furthermore, if you're going to have somebody pin the WWE FREAKING CHAMPION, why isn't it somebody that you're going to push instead of somebody who will immediately be fed to John Cena for a meaningless pinfall? Otunga and Gabriel start picking apart Cena after a while, but John responds with a drop toe hold out of nowhere and an STF to force Mr. Hudson to tap. As Cena is rolling out of the STF, Gabriel immediately catches him with the 450 to pin WWE's golden boy. Gabriel is RKO'ed and pinned. Tarver is RKO'ed and pinned. Barrett sneaks up from behind on Orton, however, and hits him with the lame-o-plex to score the decisive elimination. As I mentioned during the body of the review, I wasn't all that thrilled with how some of Nexus' eliminations were positioned, but at least the right guy was getting his hand raised at the end of the match and at least he was getting it raised as the result of a relatively clean pinfall. That's a lot more than what we've been able to say about Nexus during the majority of their run. As far as the in-ring action itself was concerned, it was pretty pedestrian due to the lack of experience of most of team Nexus, but at least the finisher chain at the end and some of Sheamus' interaction with Slater were good enough to take this one up slightly above average. Rating: ***
FINAL THOUGHTS
Segment of the Night: The main event, though "Segment of the Night" doesn't mean much this evening.
Trash Segment of the Night: CM Punk's Def Comedy Jam.
Final Analysis: This . . . show . . . sucked. For the 900th episode of Monday Night Raw, the majority of the focus actually felt like it was on Smackdown characters and angles. Though I can understand WWE having some desire to feature SD on this show in order to push the Friday night program's move to SyFy in about a month, putting so many Smackdown wrestlers on tonight's program hurt the Raw show because the Raw fans in the live crowd didn't care about most of them, and their lack of enthusiasm really came across on television. The one Raw angle that did get some play was Nexus' continued involvement with the main eventers, which was a mixed bag. Barrett did wind up getting put over strong at the end of the evening, but, prior to that, he was a goofball who could barely get off offense against the Undertaker in a five-on-one scenario. Even the nostalgia, which sometimes saves a show like this one, wasn't particularly strong here. There were segments throughout the evening focusing on "classic" Raw moments, but there were a lot of major events ignored and at least half of what was higlighted was from the last four years or so of the program's seventeen year run. Top that all off with the fact that there wasn't even one particularly good match throughout the course of the evening and the fact that the majority of the bouts were screwjob backdrops for angles that weren't particularly strong, and you've got one of the worst episodes of Raw since I started doing this column. Verdict: 2.5
411 RATINGS SCALE:
0 - 0.9: Torture
1 - 1.9: Extremely Horrendous
2 - 2.9: Very Bad
3 - 3.9: Bad
4 - 4.9: Poor
5 - 5.9: Not So Good
6 - 6.9: Average
7 - 7.9: Good
8 - 8.9: Very Good
9 - 9.9: Amazing
10: Virtually Perfect
um that punk segment was pure gold from start to finish, and was the only good part of raw
you need to be fired NOW
Posted By: dantvman (Guest) on August 30, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Ummm...the Punk segment was the best part of the show...
Posted By: Mark (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:08 AM
No Byers No. That Punk segment was ***** period. It was hilarious from start to finish.
Posted By: Guest#8169 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Once again, I hate the lets push nexus without pushing nexus stuff. I mean, yes they let Gabriel pin Cena(Which was shocking anyway), Slater pin Sheamus, and Barrett pin Orton, BUT of course they can't make it look legit, it has to be 5 on 3, since Jericho and Edge bowed out immediately. It just seems like the push of Nexus loses something with that type of booking(same as two weeks ago).
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Raw completely sucked and the rating you gave was probably generous. But, you were COMPLETELY WRONG on the CM Punk promo. Everybody's seen Waterboy, most fans have heard of the tragedy that was the Katie Vick segment. And all the clips he showed were played over and over agian at least 100 times except the two that happened in the last 4 years. The one slightly bad thing about the segment (which you didn't even rag on) was the Austin tease because everyone saw it a mile away and it was done better by HBK.
Posted By: J.J.T. (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Punks segment was awesome.
Posted By: Lee (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:13 AM
So, Nexus beats down The Undertaker and it's a DUD. Yet any other time it's at least ***.
Also, CM Punk was **** at least.
Posted By: Guest#2126 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:14 AM
You on drugs, CM Punks segment was fantastic. The references weren't That obscure at all. Waterboy? Everyones scene waterboy, even if they didn't who cares, segment was good anyway.
Posted By: LigeR (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Vintage Ryan Byers!
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM
I really couldn't stand this segment. I don't know if he wrote his own material for this or whether he was fed a script, but Punk's attempts at humor came off as a really pathetic effort to get over with people who write and read columns like this one. One sly reference to the past can work and get some chuckles out of yours truly, but constantly alluding to obscure pieces of WWE history makes you come off as desperate to be perceived as "cool."
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Hmm, well it's like I've been saying for so long, the Homeless Messiah is basically unwatchable. Of course you know the internet Punk lackies (IPL's) are going to flip out on you for not loving all the horrible garbage he did.
Posted By: NotSoHeavyD2 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM
I agree, Raw was crap. I thought Punks segment was at least 3 stars, but still the overall show was brutal.
Posted By: Toxicity (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM
theres no pleasin some people
Posted By: Guest#3064 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM
I dunno, I thought CM's jokes were alright. ** for me.
Posted By: Destructor (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:23 AM
God damn, Byers, are you so jaded on pro wrestling that you can't enjoy anything anymore? Punk was cutting a CM Punk promo on the history of WWE RAW. Would you have rather it have been Santino Marella coming out and showing clips of all the "hilarious" things that have happened on RAW?
Not everything can be kawaii desu puroresu bullshit, you pompous, conceited asshole.
Posted By: Cactus (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Byers is on his period. Christ go bitch somewhere else.
Posted By: Guest#7602 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:30 AM
are ya serious? just lost all the respect i had for your raw recaps, man
Posted By: todd (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Ryan Byers is just WAY too cool for this room, obviously
Posted By: Guest#7254 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Maybe if Punk spelled his name in all caps like those Indy guys Byers slobbers all over, he'd show a sense of humor.
Re-rate the segment, except refer to Punk as "C.M. PUNK." Picture him in an ant costume, if necessary.
Posted By: Guest#3290 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:35 AM
This show is the exact reason why ROH "talent" should stay away from the WWE. Daniel Bryan, Kaval, and CM Punk were the main reasons why this raw bombed.
Posted By: Greg (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:37 AM
You're not funny and nobody likes you
Posted By: Dominick (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:39 AM
"Once again, I hate the lets push nexus without pushing nexus stuff. I mean, yes they let Gabriel pin Cena(Which was shocking anyway), Slater pin Sheamus, and Barrett pin Orton, BUT of course they can't make it look legit, it has to be 5 on 3, since Jericho and Edge bowed out immediately. It just seems like the push of Nexus loses something with that type of booking(same as two weeks ago).
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:11 AM"
Feel happy.
Next week Cena will destroy Gabriel, Sheamus will humble Slater and Boreton will rko and punt Barrett to death.
All , one vs one without any interference and totally clean.
Posted By: IWC = Yes We Bitch For Nothing (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I knew this show was going to be a letdown. They hardly ever delivers when it comes to these type of shows
Posted By: Guest#5750 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:48 AM
hey mr. negative - the whole point of Punk saying he didn't know Lesner was to piss everyone off because everyone know who he is.
Why do you watch wrestling? You don't seem to be having any fun.
Posted By: cpbasil (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:55 AM
Did any of you guys think like this when you first started watching wrestling? I know I am going to get bashed for this, but if you can't see wrestling (WWE in partiicular) for the entertainment that it has always been, then you should stop watching. I think some of you can't stand it nowadays because the WWE has moved on from your generation, and is now catering to another one. It grew up with you guys in the 80's and 90's, and is now starting over with this silent generation of the 2000's and 2010's. It will get hot by the end of this decade.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:02 AM
Another spot-on RAWnalysis.
This show was the definition of EPIC FAIL. Completely phoned-in and lazy writing and booking across the board. Seriously bad. As bad as it gets. I'm surprised Paul Roma wasn't special guest referee for the main event.
RAW has had some really terrible stuff, but this was 2 hours of Hornswoggle and Santino-level bad. Embarrassed to be a wrestling fan-level bad.
You know, I'm gonna back you up in that CM Punk's promo wasn't a godsend. Why is everyone on this guy's nuts? It was okay, but Big Show is so corny it really WASN'T funny or entertaining and negated anything Punk did right. I know Punk is gold on the stick, but he could deliver the promo of his life and not save this show.
I don't even know what more to say, because then someone will flame me for being "too negative and to just change the channel". I don't want to change the channel... I want WWE to entertain me and entice me to keep watching... ESPECIALLY on their "historic" 900th episode.
What a massive letdown, although again I will say why am I surprised? It seems like every third or fourth RAW is completely terrible.
Now that Jericho is hanging up the boots I might seriously just stop watching... MNF is almost here anyway...
Posted By: Jailbreaker (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:03 AM
I agree with everyone else -- Punk's segment was gold.
Find a sense of humor.
Posted By: Dylan (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:04 AM
i was Row 7...just got home...terrible Raw and i feel like i just wasted some good money but hey WWE is a fun live event most of the time lol
Posted By: guest (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:07 AM
While this Raw indeed sucked, Punk was absolute GOLD on the mic... you consider that one of the worst segments this year.. are you forgetting nearly all those guest host spots???
Weak.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:13 AM
900th Episode = Fail
And Punk's segment was God-awful. And I'm a huge fan of his. He's great. But this segment was awful.
Posted By: Guest#6793 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:16 AM
For bitching about how bad Punk's segment was for making obscure references to wrestling, your column looks to be riddled with obscure references to wrestling, or at least wrestler's real names or other associations to them.
Yay for hypocrisy!
Posted By: AdamFrigginPyre (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:17 AM
The Austin beer bath was in 99. I know Russo was booking and no one remembers dates from then anymore. Sheesh.
Posted By: Mick Dundee (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:20 AM
Gotta jump on the loving the CM Punk Segment Bandwagon. I thought the Austin tease was great actually because it gave CM Punk a chance to showcase his awesome facial expressions. He had a completely over the top reaction to the music. You could tell by his face that he was bullshitting the crowd which is awesome, because it means not only can he portray despair well, but even mock despair. How many wrestlers these days can display an emotion on two different levels?
I did hate the top four video countdown, because it was out of character. It was more motivational speaker issues than it was straight edge messiah issues.
Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:31 AM
LOL at, 'Lame-o-plex'!!! I agree 100%. As a mid level comeback move, I'd buy it, but as a finisher??? No way... It looks butt-ugly as well.
Posted By: Luke (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:34 AM
Punk's segment (almost) saved to show but it was hopeless.
How could you not enjoy that? What are you? 8?
Posted By: Totem (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:41 AM
Punk's segment was awesome. The only good part of tonights show if you ask me. And I'm not even that big of a fan of his.
As for not knowing who Brock Lesnar was, obviously they didn't want him mentioning Lesnar's name with him being in UFC, so he downplayed it.
Posted By: Guest#1325 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:02 AM
Damn a 2.5? Somebody had a bad night.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:03 AM
I think this dude needs to go the way of WCW. Punk was awesome; and you need to take that stick out of your ass.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:18 AM
Dude, they're not trying to create a new Brock Lesnar. They're trying to create The Nexus. If everyone got the Brock push, it wouldn't be a Brock push now would it? I personally like that they don't ALWAYS get the upperhand. Heels don't need to be cowardly all the time, or dominant all the time for them to have a "character". Things like this give them layers. I took that segment as Barrett/Nexus being way in over their heads (and it was their own fault, seeing as Wade went out of his way to try and attack Taker). If they'd handled Taker soundly, I'm sure just as many people would hate that badly and be mad about it. Can't win 'em all, I guess.
I liked Raw tonight. There were certainly crappy points (Diva stuff, Truth/Morrison vs. Rhodes/Drew stand out the most) but there were high points as well.
SES/Big Show segment ran long, but it was still hilarious, and did what it needed to keep the feud going. Not every one can be over the top/dramatic/emotionally charged. The crowd hates Punk, and the crowd loves Big Show. What's so wrong with letting them go out and just getting the crowd riled up and booing/cheering? Nothing at all.
If you didn't like it, that's fine, but I did and I can definitely see why someone might/might not. Whatever.
Posted By: All Around Wrestling Fan (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:20 AM
Things get even worse when you claim not to know who Brock Lensar is when virtually everybody watching this show is aware that Lesnar is a significantly bigger pay per view draw and mainstream star right now than virtually anybody in WWE with the possible exception of John Cena.
Wow, that went way over your head. You aren't very bright.
Posted By: Guest#4136 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:39 AM
You're being WAY too hard on Punk for the in-jokes. You hated the in-jokes? That's fine, but that doesn't mean Punk didn't cut a good promo or turn the crowd white hot with the Austin tease. You also COMPLETELY glossed over Big Show's comedy, which I thought was fantastic. Disliking the overuse of in-jokes (something that didn't bother me) is a legit reason to downgrade the segment a notch or two, but to completely write off the whole thing and call it one of the worst of the year just because you felt patronized? That comes off as a desperate attempt to seem "cool" on YOUR part.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:04 AM
What show did you watch, Byers? That Punk Segment was GOLD. Outside of the women's match everything else was fine. I was entertained, but apparently nothing entertains the high and mighty GAWD of the IWC that is you. You're by far the worst reviewer on this site.
Posted By: Guest#7116 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:05 AM
I think the whole "I don't know who the other guy was" was more of a 'wink wink, nudge nudge' deal than an outright claiming to not know who he was.
Posted By: Guest#3989 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:11 AM
'" Things get even worse when you claim not to know who Brock Lensar is when virtually everybody watching this show is aware that Lesnar is a significantly bigger pay per view draw and mainstream star right now than virtually anybody in WWE with the possible exception of John Cena'
uh yeah that was the fucking joke. Of course he knows who Brock is. Punk was the best segment of the night. You say that nobody gets these references but you knew what they all were. Do you just think that you no more than most people.
Posted By: Craig (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:20 AM
'" Things get even worse when you claim not to know who Brock Lensar is when virtually everybody watching this show is aware that Lesnar is a significantly bigger pay per view draw and mainstream star right now than virtually anybody in WWE with the possible exception of John Cena'
uh yeah that was the fucking joke. Of course he knows who Brock is. Punk was the best segment of the night. You say that nobody gets these references but you knew what they all were. Do you just think that you no more than most people.
Posted By: Craig (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:24 AM
I loved your review of RAW. Only two things: I'd actually have to disagree with the negative stars for Punk's promo, as I thought he did a good job considering how reigned in the stars usually are. Of course after delivering a good promo, he ends up beaten down with one move by Big Show and his entire group is manhandled - by the way, what's with Mercury's arm in a sling? I didn't hear about any injury.
Oh, and I'd have given it 1.5-1.9. I wanted to mute the TV after the commentary team just went off on "900th episode" promo mode non-stop. Guys, we're watching it! If there's one thing WWE is very guilty of, its overpromoting/overmarketing its product.
Posted By: Black Scorpion (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:57 AM
What a brutal raw. The Punk/Show segment was awful too. I felt it went on too long. I don't like Show as a face. He's not funny at all. They really need to break up the SES too. The group comes off as really stale.
Posted By: Guest#9972 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 04:31 AM
"Cole's ding goes off as well"
That sounds wrong on so many levels!
And yes, the Punk segment was indeed awesome!
Posted By: hombre (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 04:48 AM
Saying the punk segment sucks means you have no appreciation for good promos
Posted By: Eh! Steve!_v2 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 05:31 AM
Man, you seem to have gotten out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
Posted By: Ryushinku (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 05:47 AM
Someone's in a bad moody mood and taking it out on Raw. Awwwww.
Posted By: Dicksy Carter (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 06:58 AM
show sucked!!
Posted By: Guest#1247 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 07:14 AM
punks segment was the only decent thing on the show.
Posted By: Guest#0449 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 08:32 AM
"I don't know who the other guy was" was more of a 'wink wink, nudge nudge' deal than an outright claiming to not know who he was."
Obviously, everyone but Ryan got this. It was a funny small line that got Ryan to cry a river for half an hour and write a huge rant, all the while the joke went right over his head.
Posted By: Izla (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 09:40 AM
Nexus needs a new gimmick. Might as well give them a country song, cowboy hats and call them the "West Texas Nexus". Now THAT would get over!
Posted By: Mike Future (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 09:41 AM
The whole point of the Brock Lesnar joke was OF COURSE we all know who he is, that's what makes it funny for the heel to say he doesn't.
Damn some people are dumb.
Posted By: Bruno (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 09:43 AM
Didn't watch Raw, but I'm not surprised. It's funny in TNA that whenever a IMPACT blows chunks, we can always blame one guy, Vince Russo. However in WWE, it's very complicated. I think they are a lot of young creative minds there that probably can blow Vince Russo out of the water. The only obstacle for them, and it's a very big one, is Vince McMahon. That's my biggest problem with WWE these days, is that Vince has too much say. The company has established itself as a global brand now, and Vince doesn't need to be in control of everything. He should just let the writers do their thing as long as they follow the PG format. That's why both Raw and Smackdown have been so inconsistent. Do you think the writers themselves want to put Santino on TV? Do you think they would rather put the Hart Dynasty on instead? Until there is a major change in WWE or Vince McMahon drops dead, the product will stay like it is. It's tragic.
Posted By: billy (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 09:49 AM
How can it be one of the worst Raw's you've seen and still get a 2.5...That final verdict should have been a 1.5.
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Punk was absolutely hilarious. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to make a heel so funny like that, but hey, the average fan still thinks he's a dick, so it's OK. Plus, he made fun of himself for throwing Chavo in the Gulf of Mexico, pretended he didn't know who Brock Lesnar was, teased Austin, got a few good lines on Big Show ("That wasn't funny, and nobody likes you."), brought up Katie Vick. What's not to like?
I kinda like Big Show when he's doing comedy, but it feels like he's trying too hard to get a cheap laugh, which actually isn't that bad of a gimmick.
The problem with the segment for me was actually Joey Mercury. I didn't realize how small he was, but Punk looked huge compared to him, and that's scary. Matthews looked like a small Crash Holly, and I couldn't help focusing on him throughout the whole thing. I don't mind Gallows, as he's there as Punk's muscle, and he can get beaten up while Punk flees, but I don't understand the point of Joey Mercury now.
Posted By: jim (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Punk was easily the best part of the show.
Posted By: Mark (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:22 AM
The problem is not the booking. The problem is the wrestlers. Yes, Nexus should be winning in a legitimate fashion, like in one-on-one situations. However, any one of them winning without help is simply not believable because they are not yet competent wrestlers. Other than their finishers, which they still sometimes screw up, they don't have legitimate movesets, plus they don't have in-ring common sense. The bookers have no choice but to do what they're doing.
If there is a problem with the WWE, it's not the way they push wrestlers, it's who they have chosen to push.
Posted By: English Teacher (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:41 AM
I was there live last night. The entire show sucked. The DiBiase/Goldust match they taped for Superstars was the match of the night. A SUPERSTARS MATCH WAS THE BEST MATCH ON THE SAME NIGHT RAW HAD THEIR 900TH EPISODE.
Fuck you, WWE.
P.S. Byers, not gonna disrespect you like some assclowns here, but Punk's segment was the only good thing about Raw last night. That, and the women's match only being 5 seconds long.
Posted By: Jason King (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:05 PM
I agree with dantvman. The Punk segment was the best part of the show and a great example of comedy done right on a wrestling show.
Posted By: Obid Hamblin (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Yeah, you know, next time you do one of these you might want to do it when you're not pissed off at the world or something. It wasn't a great RAW, but the way you describe it, we might as well have been watching our grandmothers get gang-raped or something...
Posted By: Tony (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Obviously, everyone but Ryan got this. It was a funny small line that got Ryan to cry a river for half an hour and write a huge rant, all the while the joke went right over his head.
Posted By: Izla (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 09:40 AM
EXACTLY
Posted By: SS87 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:56 PM
man byers take a mydol or something. as a big indy and roh fan i'm usually with you but you just come off as a whiny bitch in this article. especially with your commentary on the punk segment. he delivered well, made great references and everyone i know enjoyed it. its not gonna go down in history or anything but dropping a Katie Vick reference WAS something he did for guys like US. and all you can say is hes trying to be cool? dude chill. if your really this jaded with the WWE product take a break for a little while.
Posted By: stronelis (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:28 PM
hey mr. negative - the whole point of Punk saying he didn't know Lesner was to piss everyone off because everyone know who he is.
Why do you watch wrestling? You don't seem to be having any fun.
Posted By: cpbasil (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:55 AM
I thought his points were valid and made sense. And if he didn't have fun watching this show, it was because this show was very bad.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:56 PM
Great recap Byers. It's refreshing to see SOMEONE on this site not have their mouth up Vince's anus (Small, Randle for starters).
The problem with 99% of the people hating on your recap is that they are blinded by the overpromotion/overmarketing of the WWE and think "Oh they are making it a big deal so it MUST be awesome!" yet they lack complete perspective on the product.
Nexus has continued to be booked like chumps, and just because CM Punk cut a decent promo doesn't mean he's being booked like a great wrestler, as Big Slow continues to dominate him.
WWE fans need to stop thinking that just because this promotion markets well that they have a good product on TV. They don't, and I look forwrad to Byers' next recap.
Posted By: JR (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:02 PM
Did any of you guys think like this when you first started watching wrestling? I know I am going to get bashed for this, but if you can't see wrestling (WWE in partiicular) for the entertainment that it has always been, then you should stop watching. I think some of you can't stand it nowadays because the WWE has moved on from your generation, and is now catering to another one. It grew up with you guys in the 80's and 90's, and is now starting over with this silent generation of the 2000's and 2010's. It will get hot by the end of this decade.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 01:02 AM
Not even the kids and younger generation that pg WWE is supposedly catering to would be entertained by the 900th episode of Raw or that kind of booking/writing/show in general. Oh, and btw, this is 2010. Decades are a ten year period. The current decade will be over on December 31, 2010 at 12:00 midnight.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:05 PM
While all you cellar-dwellers are getting your knickers in a twist about Punk's spot I've been more impressed with Kane yet again (hey, that rhymes!). He delivered a short but really tight old-school heel promo to add to the stellar work he's been doing over the last few months. I'm pleased for him, he's working hard and his character is rolling better than it has since the mask came off. I hope this program with Taker is leading to something big, probably retirement for both of them, and I can't think of anything more fitting than that to end one of the longest off and on angles of the past 15 years.
Posted By: The Wrestling Expert (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 02:23 PM
So sad I wasn't on TV last night.
Posted By: Serena's 36DD tits (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 03:06 PM
Punk was the best part of RAW. You're a joke.
Posted By: A Better Writer. (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 04:28 PM
Not to jump on, but Ryan's made it too easy. let's work through it.
(1) Kane's the first guy to seriously point out that Bret's not in good shape. Not just not-ring-ready, but not really capable of wrestling. The monologue was fine, fit with the character, and made sense for his mindframe. The match being booked was consistent with anon-GM's apparent despisal of Bret. Consistency in booking! Dismissal of Hart Dynasty is still a problem.
(2)Fine match. OK result. The NXT results aren't a RAW storyline, Miz/Bryan is.
(3) women's match - agreed.
(4) "Odd pairing?" You're aware Cody & Drew are working together on SD, and have been for weeks, right? Disappointing result (esp for the 3 *actual* teams on the roster) but good post-match, agreed.
(5) Nexus is an angle, and is not Brock Lesnar. They're inexperienced, and can't be expected to win regularly against serious opponents, in straight-up matches. Clearly, UT would've eventually been overwhelmed, even without Kane's interference, but they advanced Kane/UT storyline (y'know, the one possibly worth money). But UT being overwhelmed doesn't prove anything that hadn't already been proved.
(6) if the rating was for the match, I'd agree. But for the segment, Del Rio gets more over and gets more attention, and that push is so far pretty solid.
(7) We complain about them forgetting their history and pandering to the casual fans. When they're flat-out pandering to the hard-core fans, you complain. Punk wasn't catering to the IWC, he was catering to the people who love the industry as much as he does. Great segment. And OF COURSE everyone knows who Lesnar was! That's what made it funny!
(8) 10Man - agreed.
Ryan, you're brutally overthinking, as it seems is your wont to do. Gear down about who get this that or the other thing. Are people more interested in seeing the next show (yes) (no). That's the only criteria. Of course, in this case, 4 and 2-1/2 segments went to SD, and one-half to NXT, but that's fine. Was it fun? Show's segment was awesome to old school fans. And that's not JUST the IWC.
Posted By: Iain (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 04:53 PM
Oh yeah the Nexus should be given the Brock Lesnar push. After all, it isn't like they pushed Lesnar harder than almost anyone in the WWE ever only for him to say "screw you" and eventually go into MMA and becoming the biggest draw of WWE's biggest competition!
Dumbass. (and I've been willing to defend you more than a lot of people but you're blatantly being a hypocritical idiot who gets pissed off just because it wasn't booked EXACTLY like YOU wanted it to)
Posted By: Detective Big Lantern Ghost (Registered) on August 31, 2010 at 06:16 PM
Really..CM Punk..TOTN??? Get Bent. Punk SHOULD BE the Champion..Best Heel in wwe PERIOD!
Posted By: KoryMcStunna (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 06:41 PM
Worst Raw in 2010 hands down.
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 06:52 PM
punk is the freakin man
Posted By: Guest#2136 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 07:38 PM
to the morons that think people who actually enjoy the WWE product to be complete sycophants who can't possibly wipe their ass without VKM telling them to, FUCK OFF. I enjoyed raw because it actually ENTERTAINED ME. I've been a fan of Punk since I first saw the promos he cut in the independents plus his matches. I've been a fan of Big Show since his first appearance in WCW. I actually ENJOY most of the WWE product, and I enjoy thinking about where it may go next. Try a positive attitude for once Byers, I know these guys may not be dressing up like insects, but give them a chance, the WWE hasn't lasted this long because they suck a big hairy goat dick, they do it by finding what works and running with it.
Posted By: Guest#5877 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:10 PM
"Once again, I hate the lets push nexus without pushing nexus stuff. I mean, yes they let Gabriel pin Cena(Which was shocking anyway), Slater pin Sheamus, and Barrett pin Orton, BUT of course they can't make it look legit, it has to be 5 on 3, since Jericho and Edge bowed out immediately. It just seems like the push of Nexus loses something with that type of booking(same as two weeks ago).
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:11 AM"
Feel happy.
Next week Cena will destroy Gabriel, Sheamus will humble Slater and Boreton will rko and punt Barrett to death.
All , one vs one without any interference and totally clean.
Posted By: IWC = Yes We Bitch For Nothing (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. I want them to push Nexus, I just want them to stop making it look like Nexus is not on the Raw Level at the same time. Even if they would have done some heel stuff(Low blows, eye rakes, another member of nexus hit someone with a chair) to get the win, it would have been GREAT. But having Edge and Jericho walk out just weakens the win by Nexus. Thats what I'm getting at.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:13 AM
"The one guy in the modern era who truly got over like gangbusters within less than a year in WWE was Brock Lesnar, and do you know how WWE got him over? They didn't get him over by having him win a bunch of matches by count out or having him tap out to John Cena on pay per view. They got him over by having him defeat progressively harder opponents and defeat them in a dominating fashion. That's the kind of push that at least one member of Nexus needs, and I can't for the life of me understand why nobody has figured that out yet."
The only reason I can see about WWE's abysmal booking is this. There are only so many top spots. They do want to push younger guys, but are too scared to push out any of the already established guys. So you end up with the non-sense booking and start/stop pushes. Even the newest main eventer (CM Punk) is still caught in this circle of stupidity because they don't want to upset anyone (UT, Rey).
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:07 PM
This Raw was utterly awful, reminded me of TNA with endless bad promos and worse finishes. Of the two main events, the first was replaced by Kane and Undertaker's ongoing efforts to out-magic each other and the second was rushed through a tedious string of finishers that resolved nothing: if doing a surprise finisher means you get a pinfall automatically, and everyone is doing them, then the winner was simply the last one to do a move. No strategy, no skill, no build, no story, completely pointless.
The Punk segment was the only worthwhile part, I'm not a big fan of his wrestling but that promo was funny as hell. I didn't even get 90% of the references (kind of glad about that since apparently they were so detrimental...) but Punk was hilarious at being a total dick to everyone in sight. He's a lot like Jericho in that his dickishness was presented so well and so over the top that it was impossible not to laugh.
So yeah, one actual match and one good promo over a two hour show. Not good.
Posted By: Guest#6852 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:52 PM
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