The 411 Wrestling Top 5 9.01.10: Week 90 – Masked Wrestlers
Posted by Michael Bauer on 09.01.2010
From Rey Mysterio, Kane and Jushin Liger to Mil Mascaras, La Parka and Dragon Kid, the 411 Staff gives their thoughts on the Top 5 Masked Wrestlers in the latest 411 Wrestling Top Five! Check out the full article to see who made the lists and why!
Hello everyone and welcome to 411 Wrestling's Top 5 List. What we are going to is take a topic each week and all the writers here on 411 wrestling will have the ability to give us their Top 5 on said topic, plus up to three honorable mentions. Most of our topics will be based on recent events in the Wrestling World, looking at those events that make us think of times past.
So, on to this week's topic…
Top 5 Masked Wrestlers
The history of the mask in wrestling goes back to many, many generations in Mexico and Japan, but isn't taken as seriously in the United States, with few exceptions. Today, we look at the greatest of these wrestlers who choose to bear the mask of their heritage and for the respect of wrestlers past. In other words, don't expect much in the may of the WWE in here.
So what did our group of writers select? Let's find out…
Nick Bazar
5. Tiger Mask - The Tiger Mask character has been portrayed by five different people including the originator, Satoru Sayama and the legendary, Mitsuharu Misawa. What started off as a Japanese anime character was brought to life as a wrestler in 1981. Having wrestled for both New Japan and All Japan, Tiger Mask is one of the most well-known and respected characters in Japan. His body of work doesn't hurt that fact either with feuds against the likes of the Dynamite Kid and Black Tiger. Plus, any mask with artificial mutton chops deserves some credit.
4. La Parka - Not only does he have one of the most recognizable masks/outfits in lucha libre history, the La Parka character has quite the interestingly controversial story. After Adolfo Tapia- the original La Parka in AAA- gained considerable popularity in Mexico, he began working for WCW. In order to capitalize on this new found North American popularity, AAA founder Antonio Peña gave the La Parka character to another wrestler in Mexico. Eventually, Tapia would go on to sign with CMLL, AAA's main competitor. This is when the troubles started as Peña barred him from using the La Parka name. Long story short, Tapia began calling himself L.A. Park while the second incarnation of La Parka continued in AAA. It wasn't until recently that Tapia and Peña have made up, coming to an agreement for him to return to AAA and feud with the new La Parka. Nevertheless, both incarnations of La Parka have always had an incredible ability to express charisma and emotion, even behind the shield of a mask, making him one of the most beloved characters in the history of lucha libre.
3. Jushin "Thunder" Liger - A Top Masked Wrestler list would not be complete without Jushin "Thunder" Liger. Seeing as how he has competed for the large number of promotions that he has- from New Japan and WCW to TNA and ROH- one would be hard pressed not to include him. Liger is clearly a sought after commodity. What's more, unlike my previous two picks, the character has been portrayed by the same wrestler since its inception as a real-life anime character. Even though he is now in his mid-40s, he has proven he can still go with today's younger wrestlers.
2. El Santo - The Hulk Hogan of Mexico, El Santo surpassed legendary status south of the border. Talk about living the gimmick, Santo was Santo all the time. Whether it was on a film set, on a TV show or even eating dinner in a public restaurant, Santo wore his trademark silver mask everywhere he went. Actually, there is only one reported case of him unmasking, and that was in 1984 on a TV show shortly before his death. You have to respect a man's dedication to his character, asking to be buried wearing his mask. He may not have been the most technically proficient luchador, but he was a master showman to be sure.
1. Rey Mysterio - His over-exposure on WWE television may have turned off some fans, but you cannot deny his popularity. While all of the masked wrestlers on my list are true legends in each of their respective countries, Rey Mysterio is a legend worldwide. Very rarely, if ever, do you hear him getting booed. His entrance, decorative attire and colorful moves can pop the most dead of crowds. Even after numerous knee surgeries, he can still perform at a high level with a wide variety of opponents. While I cannot pretend to be his biggest fan, I can respect what he means to pro-wrestling and the number of future wrestlers that he will inspire to don a mask.
Aaron Hubbard
5. Mil Mascaras - Mascaras is one of the two or three most popular Mexican masked wrestlers of all time, and was certainly the most popular Mexican wrestler internationally in his day. Mascaras in many ways set the precident for the success of the luchadors in WCW, including a certain masked luchador who became a world champion in WWE.
4. Jushin Thunder Liger - Based on pure talent alone, Liger deserves to be on this list. Anything you want in a wrestler, Liger can do it. Technical wrestling. High flying. Wild brawling. Fiery babyface comebacks. Brilliant heel tactics. Add a twenty plus year career where he has continued to be one of the top talents in the world, all the while changing his persona as the television character has evolved, and you have one of the greatest of all time.
3. Tiger Mask I - Innovation. Tiger Mask was twenty years ahead of his time. Satoru Sayama took what was the cartooniest of cartoony characters and made the character a wrestling icon. Tiger Mask set the standard that Liger built on, and that other great masked wrestlers like Ultimo Dragon, The Great Sasuke and Rey Mysterio would be compared to. Few have lived up to that standard.
2. Rey Mysterio - For the last fifteen years, Mysterio has been the ambassador of lucha libre and the Mexican Wrestling Culture for American fans. I've heard people say that he shouldn't have put his mask back on when he came to WWE, but I say that WWE righted a wrong that never should have happened. Rey is one of the greatest talents to ever grace a wrestling ring. There are a lot of men that wrestle the same style as Mysterio, but no one does it like Mysterio.
1. El Santo - The discussion of masked wrestlers begins and ends with El Santo. Trying to explain what El Santo means to Mexican Wrestling is almost impossible. His popularity was like Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin...combined. El Santo is more akin to a folk hero or even a demigod than a wrestling superstar. Santo was buried in his silver mask, because it was that truly, truly sacred.
Ryan Byers
5. Jushin Liger - He's not an all-time box off smash like some of the others on the list, but I don't know if anybody has ever delivered so many consistently great matches over such a long career as Jushin Liger. The man from New Japan has been wowing audiences for over twenty-five years now, and he shows few to no signs of slowing down. Just don't ask him about the debacle that was "Super Liger" . . . at best he'll just shake his head and walk away, and a worst he'll level you with an open hand palm strike.
4. Tiger Mask - How can you not love the revolutionary series of matches put on by Satoru Sayama during his run as the original Tiger Mask? Furthermore, how can you not love the fact that this gimmick has successfully transitioned and launched the careers of two incredible wrestlers in the form of Mitsuharu Misawa and Koji Kanemoto? Granted, some people have recently grown tired of the antics of the fourth Tiger Mask in New Japan Pro Wrestling and nobody really seems to know what the deal is with the new fifth Tiger Mask that Sayama has been hauling around with him on the indies, the first three incarnations of the wrestler established a legacy which cannot be denied.
3. The Mascaras Family - I can't really differentiate between these three. Hubbard already covered Mil Mascaras himself, who was, by far, the most popular member of the family in the United States and Japan. However, equaling and perhaps even surpassing Mil's popularity in his home country of Mexico were his two masked brothers, Dos Caras and El Sicodelico. What's interesting to note is that, with over 130 years of combined wrestling experience between the three insanely popular brothers, not one of them has ever lost his mask - a tradition which continues to Dos Caras' son Alberto Del Rio, who voluntarily unmasked en route to heading to WWE.
2. Rey Misterio, Jr. - In July, we counted down wrestling's Top 5 Innovators. Misterio placed on my list then, and he finishes high on my list of top masked men for all of the same reasons. He revolutionized lucha libre by introducing American psychology, he revolutionized American wrestling by spearheading the WCW cruiserweight division, and, on top of it all, he has held major championships in WWE on multiple occasions when nobody every expected that he would. Rey Rey may be the most consistently popular masked wrestler in US history at this point, to say nothing of his accomplishments elsewhere.
1. El Santo - Bazar referred to Santo as the "Hulk Hogan of Mexico." I've heard that phrase used before, and, quite honestly, I think it sells Santo short. He was exponentially more popular south of the border than Hulk Hogan ever was in the United States. He was a legitimate cultural icon and movie star, statues of him were erected around his grave, and some still celebrate the anniversary of his death as a minor holiday. Hogan, though by far the most popular US wrestler of his era, was never the beloved crossover superstar that Santo was for virtually the entire country of Mexico. His son, El Hijo del Santo, has more than carried on that legacy by also becoming one of the most popular wrestlers in lucha libre history, though legal disputes over the Santo name may prevent a definitive third generation El Santo from ever arising.
Chad Nevett
I'm not as learned about masked wrestlers as my colleagues, so bear that in mind.
5. Vader - Okay, I'm counting what Vader wears as a mask, because... well, it is one. Vader was a big guy that could move with a surprising amount of quickness and genuinely looked imposing. You didn't need to see him in action or even hear him speak to know that this guy was going to mess people up by overpowering them. That he could perform some of the moves he did still surprises me.
4. Dragon Kid - A new favourite thanks to Dragon Gate USA, but he's quick, athletic, somewhat reminiscent of a Japanese Rey Mysterio. He series of matches with Masato Yoshino shows he can make his style work in a more grounded, less 'spotty' way -- and produce some fantastic matches. There's a reason why he was on the poster for the first DGUSA pay-per-view.
3. Jushin "Thunder" Liger - Not necessarily my first experience with a Japanese wrestler that used a quicker-paced, cruiserweight style, but definitely the one I remember most. While I loved watching PPVs as a kid for the main events usually, I always knew that any time Jushin "Thunder" Liger was in the ring, it would be an exciting match. I've since seen some of his work from an adult perspective and it holds up nicely. He worked his ass off to put on exciting, visually spectacular matches.
2. Kane - While he's gone most of the last decade without a mask, Kane's mask helped define his look and character for the first stages of his career. It made him colder and scarier, and helped him win the WWF Championship after they booked themselves into a corner by scheduling a First Blood Match. It's the look that most think about when Kane is mentioned and is something that people still want to see come back before he retires.
1. Rey Mysterio - It's hard not to put Rey Rey at the top. For most wrestling fans in North America (excluding Mexico), when you think of a masked wrestler, you think of Rey Mysterio. He helped define and build the cruiserweight division in WCW, even losing his mask, but returned with it in the WWE and has been one of the most popular wrestlers they have. He helped define the style of wrestling he does and continues to put on great matches (amongst some decent ones). While I hate that 'Ultimate Underdog' gimmick he's saddled with, he always dazzles in the ring.
LARRY CSONKA
The Repo Man - Took back shit that you deadbeats didn't pay for and rightfully so.
Aldo Montoya - Do you have the balls to wear a jock strap on YOUR face in front of 15,000 people? I didn't think so.
Arachnaman - He isn't Spider-Man, but he's all we got.
5. Curry Man - The wrestler known as Curry Man has traveled the world and has great success in Japan, and even for a short time in North America in TNA Wrestling. The man in an enigma, successfully keeping his identity from all enemies, all we know for sure is that he is hot, he's spicy, and that he tastes great.
4. Battle Kat - While Curry Man may be hot and spicy, he is no fighting Kat. Battle Kat did battle, and he was indeed a Kat (that we know of). From September of 1990 through October of 1990, Battle Kat went undefeated in the WWF, defeating such luminaries like The Brooklyn Brawler and Paul Diamond. His lengthy WWF stay came to a close; he worked the UWF and eventually went to that big scratching post in the sky.
3. SHNOBI - While a battling kat can be scary, there is nothing for terrifying than a fucking Ninja. I mean, ninjas are covert agents, mercenaries that specialize in unorthodox arts of war. Ninjas are espionage, sabotage, infiltration, and assassination. Who would want to fuck with this man? The answer, no one. That's why he disappeared from the WWF, no one wanted to face him. Word is that he went back to the orient and fought in hundreds of Kumite tournaments.
2. Shark Boy - Ok, I thought of something for terrifying than ninjas, fucking sharks! The wrestling works was always a harbor for half man, half beast. Mantaur, Battle Kat, Arachnaman, but shit got real when the DNA splicing between man and seas came to life and Shark Boy was born. A man from the sea with the powers and looks of a shark that will come into the ring, raise hell, kick ass and leave. Oh Shell Yeah, You better watch Your Bass.
1. The Patriot - As an American, it is my duty to blindly hate anything or anyone that doesn't look, talk, act or believe is the same things that I do to HATE THEM! And who is a sign of America that can be trusted? THE PATRIOT! The Patriot wears red, white and blue. He supports the old US of A, he has a thick southern accent, he will blindly hate anything and anyone that isn't like him, fuck GI JOE, this man is AMERICANA and is the best masked wrestler of all time!
Posted By: DB (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:11 PM
I gotta admit I got a good laugh out of Csonka's list
Posted By: Guest#3706 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:11 PM
Where are delirious and El Generico?
Ole! Ole!
Posted By: Guest#5966 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:14 PM
How the fuck do you have an article about masked wrestlers, and not mention Mr. America?
The greatest masked wrestler ever.
Posted By: MTL (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:15 PM
The Calgary Kid undefeated.
Posted By: Parts Unknown (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Oh my god, no Super Delfin, no Ultimo Dragon? I quit the internet.
Posted By: Cactus (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:19 PM
No Ultimo Dragon?
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Jake the Snake and Rick the Model Martel at Wrestlemania VII.
Posted By: Guest#1845 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I was surprised that Ultimo Dragon didn't crack any lists.
Posted By: Blanky (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Csonka! You forgot about meeeeee!
Posted By: Mortis (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:21 PM
What about the Machines??? Conquistadors?? Christmas Creature?
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM
I can't see how anyone can argue against Rey being number one on this list.
Posted By: HSK (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM
MR AMERICA... AKA HULK HOGAN
Posted By: Rehab (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Where's Mankind?
Posted By: Good Robot Cena (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Juvi for #1.
Posted By: Guest#3486 (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Jushin Thunder This, Mil That, c'mon, man. Where is the love for the classic masked wrestlers of the kayfabe era?! The Masked Superstar, the Assassin, the Grappler, Mr. Wrestling II?! Their omissions from these lists are a complete abomination! Whomever decided to run with this poll in its finished state is the guy who should be wearing a mask! So much fail.
Posted By: Joey. (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:35 PM
La Parka, La Parka, La Parka!
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:37 PM
How about the Conquistadors, who came within an eyelash of winning the Survivor Series tag match in 1988, and 12 years later won the tag team titles :)
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on August 31, 2010 at 11:50 PM
Thank you Larry for not giving us the Bullshit list. Rey Rey is not as good as everyone says. Even in Dubba C Dubba~~
Posted By: Lord Keedik (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:00 AM
DR. X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: The Missing Link (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:03 AM
No Mr. JL?
Posted By: kid (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Two things...
1) Isn't Csonka the Patriot?
2) I'm amazed that La Parka wasn't ranked higher.
Posted By: AGNJoe (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:10 AM
No Golga? I'm switching my homepage now
Posted By: mikecheck (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:20 AM
wheres the midnight rider and the black scorpion?
Posted By: donnadahmer (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:25 AM
5. Vader - Best Monster Heel arguably of the modern age and he was indeed masked.
3. Mankind - Numerous great matches and OMG moments along with tremendous promos and characterization. Brought new meaning to the term hardcore.
2. Tiger Mask 1. The legend so far ahead of his time it was ridiculous.
1. Rey Mysterio Jnr - Huge wow factor. Unbelievable athleticism. Worldwide popularity. Best babyface sympathy getter since Ricky Steamboat. He is luchadore wrestling.
Posted By: Oh! Lymping Hero (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:39 AM
Chad Nevitt, Kane sucks...he doesn't deserve to be World champ of anything(other than his mom's favorite wrestler), and he doesn't deserve to be on any "best of..."list, unless its Kane's mom's view of the Best masked or unmasked wrestlers. He really sucks dude, and you have shown everyone here what a mark and a wwe-tard that you are in this list.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:52 AM
El Santo is the only number one pick for this.
Posted By: Terra (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:53 AM
I'm sorry, but Mil Mascaras shouldn't be on ANYONE'S list as the top anything. The guy was a HORRIBLE wrestler. If you actually watch his matches, he's afraid to take solid bumps, and goes almost out of his way to make his opponent look bad, while expecting them to put him over like a million bucks. His offense was so pathetic it was almost unwatchable. And the stories people tell about him, man. It makes him sound like HHH, but 100x worse. And to top it all off, refusing to go along with his pampered act, is almost a death sentence in Mexican Lucha Libre, because the guy is a national hero. It's insane!
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:53 AM
Wtf!?!? No Vader or Mr Wrestling #2?!!?
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:54 AM
No Lazer Tron? Or the Conquistadors? Or the Ding Dongs? Shoot, what about Doom, for that matter?
Posted By: Uncle Jason (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:00 AM
La Parka= Ratings
Posted By: The Rog (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:01 AM
The Masked Superstar!!!!
Posted By: Pittsburgher (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:05 AM
Thank you, Larry.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:18 AM
No Lord Humongous?
Posted By: What... (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:26 AM
Great, I think you guys broke Larry Csonka.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:30 AM
How in the BLUE HELL Rey Mysterio Jr is ranked AHEAD of TWO ICONS like JUSHIN LIGER AND ULTIMO DRAGON ?
Both totally eat him up alive WORK Rate Wise and are also recognized as total icons of the sport in Japan and Mexico.
Glad Mi Amigito Classico Del Rio is destroying this overrated masked chihuahua !
Posted By: Viva La Del Rio (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:30 AM
1. No mention of Hayabusa.
2. No mention of Ultimo Dragon.
3. No mention of the Great Sasuke.
4. Not one person listed Jushin Liger #1.
So much for this group of IWC's knowledge of masked wrestlers. FAIL!!!
Posted By: Wys (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:31 AM
Well, I have to say that, back in his prime, I was a huge Mysterio fan. Unfortunately, his work rate has slipped since his surgeries (no fault of his own, I know) and he has become borderline sloppy and dangerous. Just ask the Undertaker about that. I'm very surprised to not see wrestlers like Ultimo Dragon and Mortis on here, not to mention Mankind and the Pegasus Kid. Also, where are Delirious and El Generico. I mean, come on, the generic luchador has got to make this list somewhere.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:42 AM
I shall age myself here, but what about Mr. Wrestling I or II, The Assasin(s)?
Posted By: the_stonk (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:48 AM
Only time I heard Mysterio get booed was at One Night Stand 2005 when he did the 619. ECW fans know the move sucks.
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:51 AM
Might I suggest the intelligent, sensational Destroyer? Fantastic technical wrestler who was instrumental establishing All Japan Pro Wrestling.
Posted By: P-Funk (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:57 AM
The exclusion of Mr. Wrestling II(as well as Mr. Wrestling), The Masked Superstar and The Spoiler from all of these lists is a disgrace and demonstrates the very limited wrestling knowledge of the 411 staff.
Posted By: Hal Jordan (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:12 AM
1. Gotta love Csonka just making a mockery of this joke topic...
2. Leave it up to Hubbard to pick some no-name as his #1, further proving my statement above.
3. Mysterio is #1. Kane is #2. Period.
Posted By: Points (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:15 AM
This is what happens when someone makes a list that hasn't been around too long. How do you have this list without Mr. Wrestling II??? What about the Assassins??? I mean you forget these guys are include CURRY F'N MAN!? I love Daniels, but gimmie a break! Why not put Jimmy Jack Funk and Avatar in while your at it. Do you're homework kiddies...
Posted By: thedevilbunny (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:34 AM
SHELL YEAH!
Posted By: Guest#2696 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:53 AM
No joke about Avatar? None? Foreshame.
Posted By: All Around Wrestling Fan (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:56 AM
Where the hell is the Blue Blazer on this list? I don't have any personal reason to want him there, but he deserves it...whoever he is.
Posted By: Owen Hart (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 03:13 AM
About El Santo, you forgot to add that he died in the ring.
Posted By: Guest#3139 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 03:45 AM
El Santo is Hogan, Flair, Sting, Elvis and JFK rolled into one. No one has or will ever impact the sport like he did. And not a single person mentioned Blue Demon.Poppycock!!!!
Posted By: BobZ (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 04:45 AM
The best masked wrestler ever was The Grappler in Pacific Northwest Wrestling.
Posted By: JT (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 05:22 AM
someones gotta mention THE GRAPPLER
Posted By: PORTLAND WRESTLING dude (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 05:48 AM
Yeah...
Do a face paint list next. And if I don't see Muta or Demolition Smash I'm burning the fucking house down.
Posted By: Misanthropist (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:09 AM
Where was The Yellow Dog?
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:16 AM
Is it wrong that Csonka's joke list was better than Hubbard's serious list?
Posted By: Guest#1831 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:19 AM
No mention of The Destroyer (Dick Beyer) or The Spoiler/Super Destroyer (Don Jardine)? For shame!
Posted By: The Ogre (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:25 AM
El Hijo De Roma!
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:45 AM
No Dark Patriot?
Posted By: GWF ruled! (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:45 AM
No contaba de mi astucio!
Posted By: El Chapulin Colorado (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:48 AM
"No Pegasus Kid?"
Yay, more love for Pegasus "I murdered my wife and son and took the easy way out" Kid! Get over it, IWC, etc. etc.
Posted By: Guest#7107 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:49 AM
Rey Mysterio - A lesson in how to no sell
Posted By: Guest#6270 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:11 AM
Wow! No Mr. Wrestling II? No The Destroyer? No the Assassin? No The Masked Superstar? Sad to see the old school superstars being forgotten.
Posted By: FrankBama (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:35 AM
Kendo Nagasaki
Posted By: Fenris (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:37 AM
WHAT, NO SUICIDE?!?! HE'S THE F'N DARK SAVIOR!!! Just kidding, but for realz what's up with no Ultimo Dragon? That makes me a sad panda.
Posted By: lou (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:00 AM
This should have been a 'rebadged' Top One this week:
EL SANTO
I mean, shit, he even took on Dracula and the Wolfman and KICKED THEIR FUCKING ARSES (youtube)
Posted By: Dr. Doctor (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:18 AM
Um, The Shockmaster, anyone?
Posted By: RudoWakening (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:22 AM
1. No mention of Hayabusa.
2. No mention of Ultimo Dragon.
3. No mention of the Great Sasuke.
4. Not one person listed Jushin Liger #1.
So much for this group of IWC's knowledge of masked wrestlers. FAIL!!!
Posted By: Wys (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:31 AM
What he said!!!
Posted By: Puro Fanboy #7 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:29 AM
No mention of Dragon Dragon from Chikara?
Posted By: Y2SJ (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:32 AM
While Csonka is being funny, Nevett is just being an idiot.
Kane? Really?
"I'm not learned in masked wrestlers..."
Then why in the *bleep* did you participate?
I don't know anything about particle physics so I'm not going to be making a 'Top Five Metaphysical Scientists' list anytime soon.
Posted By: demOcratic (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:41 AM
5) Johnny b badd post badd vbaster incident with maxx payne
4) Broken faced Undertaker
3) Dos Hombres
2) Max Moon
1) Kwang
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:52 AM
No Mr. JL?
Posted By: kid (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:06 AM
^ THIS.
Posted By: HSK (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:14 AM
dos santos?
Posted By: jd (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:17 AM
How about Lord Humongous? The character has been in existence for over 25 years and has been played by ten different wrestlers.
Posted By: The Wrestling Expert (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:24 AM
Honorable mentions to The Killer Bees,Doom, The Super Destroyers, The Assassins, The Black hearts, The Dark Patriot, Blue Demon, Dos Caras, The Spoiler, Mistico, Canek, Ultimo Guerrero,all of the Villanos,Blitzkrieg, and Psicosis.
Posted By: Old School Wrestling Fan (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:24 AM
"Aldo Montoya - Do you have the balls to wear a jock strap on YOUR face in front of 15,000 people? I didn't think so."
Csonka wins just for THIS and his reasoning for placing The Patriot in the number one position.
Posted By: AndrewCrow (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:30 AM
Am I the only person who noticed the misspelling of World LIGTH Weight champion on El Santo's belt in his picture?
Posted By: Rick (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:56 AM
Only time I heard Mysterio get booed was at One Night Stand 2005 when he did the 619. ECW fans know the move sucks.
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:51 AM
he was also booed at wrestlemania 22, the 2006 one night stand (against sabu) and in his rivalry against chavo guerrero
Posted By: Guest#8357 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 10:31 AM
nick bazar your top 5 is the best
Posted By: Guest#9252 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:12 AM
No mention of Dragon Dragon from Chikara?
Posted By: Y2SJ (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:32 AM
Get educated fool: Dragon Dragon doesn't wear a mask, that's how we know he is a dragon!
Posted By: sheesh (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:30 AM
wheres the midnight rider and the black scorpion?
Posted By: donnadahmer (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:38 AM
"Both totally eat him up alive WORK Rate Wise and are also recognized as total icons of the sport in Japan and Mexico."
Wait a second, are you saying that being an icon in a country of 130 million is more significant than being an icon in 130 countries?
Posted By: Guest#5910 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:47 AM
I could have sworn there was a recent 411 column where people talked about the worldwide success and popularity of Big Van Vader as one of the all-time greats, but then he doesn't even make most lists for masked, and when he does, he's #5. I don't know much about the indy guys as I watched WWE, ECW, and WCW growing up, but I know my top 3 without question would be:
1. Rey Misterio
2. Mick Foley as Mankind
3. Big Van Vader
You can argue the order, but those guys have been super successful and made a ton of money. As popular as some of the guys on your list are, they definitely don't have the exposure or the paychecks of those guys. Vader was a great heel big man, I can't believe he didn't get a longer run in the WWE. He did wear a mask, although it was a partial mask, and he was dominate.
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:48 AM
You all forgot Rellik. Which of course is killer spelled backwards.
Posted By: Mike Tenay (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Kane??? Seriously Chad???
Posted By: Obid Hamblin (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:00 PM
"I'm sorry, but Mil Mascaras shouldn't be on ANYONE'S list as the top anything. The guy was a HORRIBLE wrestler. If you actually watch his matches, he's afraid to take solid bumps, and goes almost out of his way to make his opponent look bad, while expecting them to put him over like a million bucks. His offense was so pathetic it was almost unwatchable. And the stories people tell about him, man. It makes him sound like HHH, but 100x worse. And to top it all off, refusing to go along with his pampered act, is almost a death sentence in Mexican Lucha Libre, because the guy is a national hero. It's insane!
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:53 AM"
Oh, so he was the Mexican version of Hulk Hogan? ;)
Posted By: Idol (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Hey, jellybean, I need to be mentioned more often, or I'll have to call Dusty Rhodes' mother.
Posted By: The Masked Assassin (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:11 PM
No Mr.Wrestling II or Super Destroyer or Ultimo Dragon? How about the Midnight Rider?
And Tiger Mask v1 should be at the top of everyone's list. He was so ahead of his time.
Did every writer on this site start watching wrestling around '95 or something?
Posted By: anon (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:27 PM
no el asso wipeo???
Posted By: Guest#4062 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:48 PM
No Ultimo Dragon?
At least Mexico got proper recognition. I also love how Vader popped up on the list.
Posted By: Al (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:51 PM
the machines-all wwe hall of famers.
andre the giant, hulk hogan, roddy piper, george steel.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Super Destroyers, Masked Superstar, The Assassins, any of the masked wrestlers who stood in for Rhodes, JYD, Windham, Rich, Ware, Valaint, etc., Mr. Olympia, The Spoiler, The Super Intelligent Destroyer, Mr. Wrestling, Mr. Wrestling II, just so many old school masked wrestlers.
With some of the above mentioned it is obvious that the historical knowledge is lacking. Sort of like forgetting Montana, Rice, Gretzky, Bird, Johnson, Jordan, Brown and others as the true greats just because they are not right in front of your face.
Posted By: Guest#1692 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:01 PM
I know who most of these guys really are! They're...THE GUYS WITH THE MASKS!
Posted By: Bobby Heenan (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:04 PM
Where's the Machines? And the Texas Outlaws? Sure, they had only one match. But they won the 6 man titles during that match.
And who could forget Humongous?
Posted By: Comment Board Poster (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:05 PM
How bout a Top 5 Face Paint wrestlers? Or did I miss that article?
Posted By: Comment Board Poster (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:07 PM
I guess if the #1 requirement of a masked wrestler is to sell masks, then Mysterio is #1. But otherwise Liger is the man.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:23 PM
i think i visit this site just out of force of habit after i check out the movies section, but really...who cares about wrestling anymore? i used to LOVE it. i've got hundreds of vhs/dvds. i wasted thousands of hours watching. now, it just sucks. since shawn michaels retired, i have no reason to watch. it panders. it meanders. it sucks.
why am i posting this here? why am i posting this right now? let's just call it a stream-of-consciousness mini-rant.
end.
Posted By: ugghhh... (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:40 PM
Interesting column. I don't get why so many commenters are just complaining (like always) instead of making their own list. If I had to make a list like this mines would be:
Honorable Mention:
Fire Ant - Anyone who can beatbox the beat to "Push It" by Salt N' Pepper is a cool dude in my book.
Takuya Sugi - This guy wrestles under so many gimmicks its hard to keep track of them all. He's easily one of the top high fliers in japan (and probably the world) today.
Excalibur and Disco Machine - Best commentary team ever.
5. Delirious - While some people think his gimmick holds him back (because lets face it, no one wants a champion who can't even really talk) I still think its very entertaining. His promos are always interesting because of how he talks and on top of that he's not too shabby in the ring.
4. Tiger Mask (the original) - This man was doing amazing shit in the ring way before other people were. Definately one of the most influential wrestlers ever. I would've put him higher on my list, but the fact that he was only around for 2 years before he got bored and left kinda sucks. Who knows what he could've done had he been more interested in wrestling.
3. Jushin Thunder Liger - One of the most legendary japanese wrestlers ever and one of my personal favorites. American fans know him for his matches in WCW with Brian Pillman. Other people know him for being the Jr. heavyweight ace of NJPW. This man just puts on quality matches wherever he goes. He's getting up there in age now, but he's still kicking ass.
2. Super Dragon - This dude is one bad ass muthafucka. Anyone who stepped in the ring with him knew they were about to get fucked up. One of the most legendary wrestlers to ever come out of Southern California. Its a shame his knee and weight problems made him stop wrestling. To this day PWG fans still ask for his return.
1. El Generico - While "generic" is in his name this man is anything but that. You could say that El Generico is the Ricky Steamboat of the indies in the sense that he never really has a bad match. He's always entertaining and that's why he's my #1 masked wrestler.
Posted By: Yup. (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 01:45 PM
Conquistadors are the best masked wrestlers ever
Posted By: Guest#2666 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:07 PM
The Masked Maniac. Or haven't you SEEN Learning the Ropes?! DUH!
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:09 PM
Had to laugh at the people saying El Santo was more popular than Hogan and Austin combined. Most laughable thing written on 411 right there. El Santo was popular in Mexico. Hulk Hogan is the biggest wrestling name on a global basis. Not just America, but the entire planet. Ask the average person about El Santo, they'll ask you 'who?'. The fact is Hogan is known by twenty times the amount of people that know El Santo, so please don't use horrendous comments like that here.
Posted By: SummerBreeze77 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 02:21 PM
Personally, They should have never removed Kanes mask. He was scarier that way.
Posted By: Karatgold24 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 05:02 PM
Sorry fellas. I must take issue with your list. Mr. Wrestling II received World title shots when the championship meant something. The Destroyer/Dr. X was a huge name in the US and Japan. Masked Superstar was a hell of a worker. Your list seems to favor "high-flyers" so it should be noted as such. Otherwise, it's an insult!
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 05:02 PM
Not even an HM for great muta? For Shame!
Posted By: Heebies (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 05:04 PM
If only Vince let me and Herc wear masks.
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:30 PM
BATTLECAAAAAT!!!
Posted By: pequeno reb (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:41 PM
Byers really missed the boat here. He could have had several distinguished members of the Colony, with Wrestler of the Week Frightmare topping the list. Yet he thinks for this list, of all lists is important enough to ignore the accomplishments of Chikara all for the sake of "credibility." What does that word even mean?? CP Munk must be rolling in his grave!
Posted By: No (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:55 PM
Apparently none of you remembered that Kiler Kowalski wore a mask during the second half of his career. Admittedly, it was a little weird, going to a mask after everyone already knew what he looked like. Still, he was Killer Kowalski, which puts him head and shoulders above any of the wrestlers mentioned by any of you.
Posted By: the ghost of Gordon Solie (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:04 PM
We boo'd the shit out of Rey at the Rumble at MSG 2 years ago...and it was wonderful.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:43 PM
no Avatar? he didn't put his mask on until he was already in the ring!!!
Jimmy Jack Funk?
Broken faced Brutus Beefcake?
Posted By: Al Snow (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:50 PM
where's Hayabusa?
Posted By: educated savage (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 07:55 PM
1. el santo
2. blue demon
3. mil mascaras
forget about workrate etc, those guys just *are* 1-3.
4. liger
5. tiger mask
my pesonal faves would inc the grappler, masked superstar, vader. ultimo dragon and many more; but "greatest" .... 1-3 are indisputable imo. 4 and 5 could go either way depending on preference.
Posted By: baws (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:45 PM
"No Pegasus Kid?"
Yay, more love for Pegasus "I murdered my wife and son and took the easy way out" Kid! Get over it, IWC, etc. etc.
Posted By: Guest#7107 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 06:49 AM
Wow, anti-Benoit people always have a funny way of making themselves look more lame and dumber than the Benoit sympathizers
Posted By: SS87 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 08:59 PM
5. Golga - Oddities the man was a legend and he had a massive cartman doll...should be in the Hall of Fame
4. Sultan - Another future WWE Hall of Famer the Sultan ushered the Rock into the WWE and served at the pleasure of Bob Backlund.
3. Kim Chee - another future WWE Hall of Famer only Kim Chee could calm the Ughandan Giant Kamala
2. Aldo Montoya - maybe not a WWE Hall of Famer but ECW should get a wing he'll get a call.
1. Blue Blazer - and now it just got real serious R.I.P. Blue Blazer
Posted By: Guest#0277 (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:44 PM
Good lists, but you should've split it into current and past masked wrestlers.
Posted By: massdestraction (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:47 PM
What about the Calgary Kid?
Posted By: Miz says REALLY? (Guest) on September 01, 2010 at 09:53 PM
You do remember that Patriot was none other than Kurt Angle, right?
Posted By: Guest#0970 (Guest) on September 02, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Honestly, this is a hard list to pick only 5 names. There has been so much rich heritage in Mexico, Japan, and the US that only 5 doesn't do it justice. Here's my top 10 just to be rogue..
1. El Santo
2. Jushin Liger
3. Rey Mysterio Jr.
4. Tiger Mask
5. Hayabusa
6. Ultimo Dragon
7. Mr. Wrestling 1 Tim Woods
8. Great Sasuke
9. La Parka
10. Mistico
Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on September 02, 2010 at 04:57 AM
5. Mil Mascaras
4. Jushin "Thunder" Liger
3. Tiger Mask I
2. The Destroyer
1. El Santo
Posted By: Maddog (Guest) on September 02, 2010 at 05:38 AM
"For most wrestling fans in North America (excluding Mexico), when you think of a masked wrestler, you think of Rey Mysterio."
Not these days.I would say Rey is by far the most popular wrestler in Mexico considering how the WWE has taken over wrestling on Mexican television.
Posted By: Hector (Guest) on September 02, 2010 at 02:18 PM
Any list without El Santo on top is objectively incorrect.
Posted By: Joe Schmoe (Guest) on September 02, 2010 at 02:26 PM
Damn, no El Nino...
Ain't it sad that I've only ever seen El Santo via Mystery Science Theater 3000 when they aired El Santo/Samson Vs The Vampire Women. One of the worst movies ever, and one of the funniest too. El Santo DOES get to wrestle a vampire werewolf, and the monster has a surprisingly good understanding of wrestling fundamentals.
Posted By: Earl (Guest) on September 07, 2010 at 06:34 PM
no Ultimo Dragon?
Posted By: wtfwtf?? (Guest) on September 09, 2010 at 06:06 AM
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