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The Contentious Ten 09.06.10: Career Midcarders
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 09.06.2010





I read a lot of talk from fans, proclaiming that such and such a wrestler will never rise above mid-card despite being an IWC favorite or someone that WWE seems to want to make a star but they never go all the way through with it. Sometimes I look at the mid-card and wonder how WWE is screwing up certain prospects (John Morrison, Kofi Kingston, Christian), and sometimes I look at guys and I completely understand why they stay at the midcard level (MVP, R-Truth, Matt Hardy). Occasionally, there will be a mid-card guy who I think they are handling well (The Miz) and may be able to break out into the main event scene. For me, it's a lot of fun to look at the midcard and wonder where they will be in ten years.

Many people speak of the midcard as if it some terrible thing, but lets face it; most of the wrestlers to pass through major promotions never make it to main event level. Some of them have great talent, some of them have great characters, some are great talkers, yet they never seem to break the glass ceiling. Sometimes it's politics, sometimes it's the fans refusing to support someone, sometimes personal issues get in the way, sometimes a wrestler lacks one skill that really gets him over. However, many midcarders have managed to have great, successful careers and stick in the memories of fans. Occasionally, the midcard will be so good that even the midcard guys are stars (WWF in the 1980s, or the Attitude Era). This column takes a look at some of those great career midcarders.

The somewhat loose criteria is that a wrestler must have been over with fans but never held a World Title or had an extended run in the main event scene. Many of them had brushes with the main event (indeed, most of these matches showcase the wrestlers facing considerably more famous wrestlers), but they were never to be main eventers on a national scale. Obviously, there are too many to name, and I encourage you to list other people who deserve to be here. These are simply ten of my favorites.

X
Val Venis



Sean Morley was a terrific worker, but he didn't really stand out from any other young, talented wrestlers that came into the WWF circa 1998. Except for one thing; his porn star gimmick. The oft-hilarious and always controversial gimmick instantly made Val Venis one of the most memorable stars on the roster during the Attitude Era, which was a good thing for the in-ring product. The gimmick both served and limited Venis; he was always going to be over, but he wasn't going to be a world champion. There were a few attempts to reinvent Venis (Right to Censor, Commissioner Morley), but they never worked; people saw Venis and wanted the adult film star Venis. Val was able to win the European, Tag Team, and Intercontinental Championships in his career, but his star fell far after 2000 when the novelty of the gimmick started to wear off. However, he remained a loyal and valuable addition to the lower midcard, often making Heat must-see TV for fans who wanted good wrestling. I hope that the time from 1998-2000 when he was a featured star will be remembered by fans and the WWE.

IX
The Big Boss Man



Ray Traylor had respectable success in WCW as Big Bubba Rogers, but he really found himself in the WWF as The Big Boss Man. He first showed up in the late 80's as a stooge for Slick, forming an impressive team with Akeem the African Dream known as The Twin Towers. Boss Man would find himself opposite of Hulk Hogan early and often before turning babyface in 1990. During that run, Boss Man become one of the better big man workers in the business and had memorable feuds with Mr. Perfect and The Mountie. The Boss Man character would resurface in the late nineties, serving as a security guard/hired gun for Mr. McMahon's corporation. In this role, Boss Man usually found himself in the ring against Stone Cold Steve Austin, and was even the last man Steve Austin eliminated at the '99 Royal Rumble before the shenanigans kicked in. He may have been a jobber to the stars, but he was a jobber for the two biggest names in wrestling history. Not a bad gig.

VIII
Dean Malenko


Malenko is the polar opposite of Val Venis. Val was an underrated worker with natural charisma and a memorable gimmick. Malenko has never been underrated as a worker, but that was all he was good at and all he was marketed as. ECW and WCW took his in-ring work and his lack of emotion and marketed it well; he was "The Shooter", "The Iceman", and "The Man of 1,000 Holds". Malenko was in this bizarre state of over where every fan respected him as a dangerous talent, but they usually didn't cheer or boo for him. There were exceptions of course; one of the loudest pops in WCW history came when Malenko took off his Ciclope mask when feuding with Chris Jericho. But largely, the fans simply respected Malenko and never had an emotional attachment to him, which is why he stayed in the midcard while peers such as Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio and Chris Benoit were able to reach main event status. However, Malenko was rarely without some kind of gold, and people still talk about what a tremendous in-ring performer he was.

VII
The Honky Tonk Man


Ah yes, Honky's greatest moment. Roy Wayne Ferris is the cousin of Jerry Lawler, and like Lawler, showed an incredible gift for becoming a superstar by being such an irritating character that he could put little effort and his matches, get cheap victories, and still stay over. The clear highlight of Honky's career is his 18-month Intercontinental Title reign. This period did not give us any classic matches, but it gave us a great storyline where Honky would somehow escape with the title in tact each and every night, and each and every night the fans were dying for someone to end his run. This resulted in one of the biggest payoffs in wrestling history when The Ultimate Warrior squashed him. Honkytonk's run set the standard for long cowardly heel runs, which Hollywood Hulk Hogan and JBL would imitate during their runs. So yeah, the "Honky Tonk Run" has worked for main eventers; I just don't think it would have worked with Honky Tonk Man. As a midcard act, he was great and helped make several stars over the course of his run.

VI
William Regal



Whether he was Steven Regal or William Regal, Darren Matthews has spent the better part of twenty years wrestling for the top two promotions in American history, WCW and WWE. An extremely gifted wrestler who showcases both European chain wrestling and stiff European brawling, Regal also has shown that he is excellent on the mic. Usually a heel, but occasionally a fan favorite (especially in Britain), Regal knows how to make people laugh, how to get them to cheer and how to get them to boo. Inside and outside the ring, I've never been bored watching Regal. William came very close to becoming a main event player when he was the King of the Ring in 2008, before a wellness violation killed that push. It's just as well though; the multiple time IC, European, Television and Tag Team champion is so valuable in the midcard as both a character and performer. It would have been nice for him to have an ECW Title Run though.

V
Greg "The Hammer" Valentine


I'm a mark for Greg Valentine. I've always viewed him as Ric Flair with half the pomp and double the toughness. A second generation wrestler, Valentine was a star in several promotions in the seventies and eighties and feuded with many of the top wrestlers of those times; from Hulk Hogan to Ric Flair, from Roddy Piper to Bob Backlund, Valentine battled them all. Because of this, one may tempted to call him a main event player, and he was certainly on the cusp of the main event. However, the '70's and '80's were a different time. Today, the main event scene consists largely of the four or five main eventers, with little rotation or room for another guy to come in. In Valentine's day, almost every heel of any notoriety got a title shot at one point or another, serving as the challenger of the month. He is more comparable to Umaga or the sixth guy in the Elimination Chamber who has no shot at winning.

"The Hammer" was known for being a tough, physical wrestler with a rugged, precise style that would probably more most fans of my generation or younger. But I appreciated his attempts to make his matches look as real as possible, and he has had more than a handful of great, underrated classics, like his Dog Collar match with Piper at the first Starrcade. Unlike a lot of people on this list, I think Greg would have been a viable World Champion if he had stayed in the NWA instead of going to the WWF. You can argue over which decision would have been better; even as a midcard heel, he was able to forge a legacy and gain several singles and tag team championships.

IV
Goldust



I just don't know about Dustin Rhodes. He has always been a criminally underrated in-ring performer, and has shown remarkable longevity as a good worker. This last week we had a good match with Ted DiBiase Jr. on Superstars and he really doesn't seem to have lost a beat. But for some reason, I find him to be bland when he is playing any other character than Goldust. This begs the question; does the Goldust character make Dustin Rhodes, or did Dustin Rhodes make Goldust work? I think it's a little of both, similar to Glen Jacobs and Kane or Mark Calloway and The Undertaker. It's the right performer with the right gimmick.

Over his career, Goldust or otherwise, Dustin has amassed several singles titles (Intercontinental, United States and the Hardcore Championship) as well as three tag team championships (with Barry Windham, Booker T and Ricky Steamboat). As Goldust, he was perhaps the most bizarre character to ever be in the WWF, and because of that he has stood out. From his beginnings as a villain who played sick mind games with foes to more sympathetic roles such as The Artist Formerly Known As Goldust or as the "weak link" in his team with Booker T, he was able to stay over. Even today, when Goldust is mostly an undercard guy losing to the stars of tomorrow, people cheer for him because his character is one of a kind and truly great. However, it is similar to the Val Venis situation; you have a great performer with a character that allows him to stay over, but you can't take him seriously as a potential World Champion.

III
Arn Anderson


Ah yes, The Enforcer. Arn Anderson is an example of an IWC darling before there was even an IWC. He's also proof that sometimes the IWC have no idea how to pick people who should be world champions. Arn Anderson has most of the qualities it takes to be a star in wrestling; he was technically gifted, knew how to tell an in-ring story, cut great promos, and was respected as a tough and believable wrestler by fans. However, he lacked the X-Factor that someone needed to be a World Champion today. He was great in his role as a bodyguard of sorts for the Four Horsemen, playing a vital role that has been imitated in most successful stables. Arn was also one of the best tag team wrestlers of all time, forming great teams with Ole Anderson, Larry Zybysko and Tully Blanchard. Arn and anyone was tag team greatness.

That was where Arn stayed for his entire career, and that's where he belonged. Because great wrestling shows aren't made solely out of main event players; they require a great undercard from talented and over midcarders. There have been many shows that Arn helped to make great. And really, what would War Games have been without Arn Anderson starting out almost every one of them? Anderson is one of the all time in-ring greats, but he was a midcard star. That's not a bad thing. I could certainly go for an Arn Anderson midcard tag team match today.

II
Tito Santana


If there was ever a poster boy for career midcarders, it would be Tito Santana. Santana had a great run with the WWF from 1979 to 1993, where he was prominently featured on all major shows, even wrestling at the first nine Wrestlemanias (the last in a dark match). The only other wrestler who can say that is Hulk Hogan. Over the course of his career, Santana held the Intercontinental Championship twice, the WWF Tag Team Championship twice (with Ivan Putski and Rick Martel), and was the 1989 King of the Ring. He also had many memorable feuds with the likes of Randy Savage, Greg Valentine, Don Muraco, Mr. Perfect and Rick Martel, and was an early rival of Shawn Michaels when the Heartbreak Kid started to break into singles action.

Tito consistently had good matches and was adored by fans, but never become world champion (his ECW Championship run was very early in the promotion's existence; most probably don't even know about it).However, one of the big differences between the WWE today and the WWF in Santana's day is that you could be a midcard, IC title level wrestler and still be a huge star that people loved. Compare Santana's accomplishments with wrestlers today who are in similar positions; not many are stars (Kofi Kingston and John Morrison are possible exceptions). But Tito was a guy who could wrestle any top villain, and while he usually didn't come out on the winning end, would give a spirited performance and always had the fan backing. That's a quality that today's midcarders sadly lack, in large part due to WWE's refusal to book a strong midcard.

I
Jake "The Snake" Roberts



No, this isn't a gut reaction to his retirement, because I don't think he's really retired and Jake's post-96 career doesn't matter to me anyway. I sincerely believe that Jake Roberts was a main event waiting to happen. Roberts was one of the most over performers of the 1980's, and it wasn't because he was the world's greatest technician; he got over because of his psychology and by living up to his nickname of "The Snake". In interviews, he could stare a hole through the television, speaking with a quiet menace that made him seem more threatening than larger, stronger wrestlers. In matches he would slither in and out of the ring. He would bide his time, not striking often but making every attack seem dangerous, especially his DDT finisher. It was just like a venomous snake bite; it only took one attack, and you were finished. By playing his character so perfectly, he was one of the most memorable characters of the Hogan era.

Roberts was able to battle top stars (Hogan, Savage, Sting) and make top stars (Steve Austin, The Undertaker) but never held a single World Championship, nor did he ever have an extended run as a main event player like his contemporaries Ted DiBiase and Roddy Piper. So, why is this? The simple answer is that the prime of Jake's career took place in an era where champions typically had long, extended runs at the top and only a very select few super-over wrestlers held it. Nowadays, the WWE gives World Titles to almost any wrestler on the roster that they think can be a big player, even before they are a big player. That's why wrestlers like Sheamus, Jack Swagger and even IWC darling CM Punk have held world titles even though they have nothing on Jake's legacy. If Jake was in his prime today, he would have held a World Title. Randy Orton, who has borrowed liberally from Jake, is all the proof you need.


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"Roberts was one of the most over performers of the 1980's"



Jake the Snake was popular in the 80s but "one of the most over performers"? Sorry, but not true. The only time during his career that he could truly be considered "one of the most over performers" was during his early 90s heel run.


Posted By: Guest#4682 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:08 PM

 
 
You will respect mah boy!

Posted By: Mama Benjamin (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:08 PM

 
 
KANE!?

Posted By: Guest#5199 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:09 PM

 
 
Scott Hall, Curt Hennig, and Owen Hart say hello.

Posted By: fran (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:09 PM

 
 
Rick Rude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: kid (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:14 PM

 
 
1 Brian Pillman
2 Mr. Perfect
3 Owen Hart
4 British Bulldog
5 Paul Orndorff
6 Junkyard Dog
7 Million Dollar Man
8 Christian
9 IRS
10 Scott Hall


Posted By: ROH Commish (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:17 PM

 
 
KANE!?

Posted By: Guest#5199 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:09 PM
-------------------------------
Kane... is the heavyweight champion on Smackdown and has been for a couple months, he's jobbed in the main event forever and he was champ (even if just for a day) leaving the KOTR when Foley flew off the cell.


Posted By: the other mikey p (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:20 PM

 
 
Where is PERFECT?????
or to the jokers....
Where is Paul Roma


Posted By: Fern (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM

 
 
The somewhat loose criteria is that a wrestler must have been over with fans but never held a World Title or had an extended run in the main event scene.


No, Curt Henning does not say hello, as his AWA World Title means he can't say hello (Yes, We know the AWA was in the crapper at that point, but it's still a World Title)


Posted By: Guest#4394 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:26 PM

 
 
I Love you, BUT... no Rick Martel? that guy was a Glory-horse!! Vermont, me, you & dreams, Aaron!

Golddust is amazing! & Reagal?? That guy was almost future champ with his last heel GM run! do all the mid-carders have drug issues or personal demons?

I'll give ya a Val Venis!!! Thanks again!!


Posted By: the Mad Redneck (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:28 PM

 
 
shelton benjamin

Posted By: Guest#3495 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:36 PM

 
 
I would've never thought to do a list like this. Good call.

Personally I think someone destined to be a career mid-carder is Delirious. He's good in the ring and has a memorable entertaining gimmick, but I just don't see any company having him as their top guy. I would mention other people, but other commentors already have mentioned pretty much everyone I have in mind, lol.


Posted By: Yup. (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:44 PM

 
 
Jericho.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:47 PM

 
 
Uhhh, Jimmy Snuka anyone????

Posted By: Guest#2528 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:48 PM

 
 
I think Greg Valentine should have been number 1, and maybe Arn Anderson a little lower

Posted By: Guest#1179 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:51 PM

 
 
I did this list before.

Jeff Jarett, Scott Hall, British Bulldog, and Owen Hart are the biggest and greatest mid carders of all time.


Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:53 PM

 
 
1. Jake Roberts
2. Owen Hart
3. Arn Anderson
4. Roddy Piper
5. Ricky Steamboat
6. Bulldog
7. Ted DiBiase
8. Lance Storm
9. Brian Pillman
10. Earthquake

I can't count perfect due to his awa run, or rude with the wcw international heavyweight belt


Posted By: Guest#2638 (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:57 PM

 
 
my favorite is regal. his best matches are the one where he legitimately beats the crap out of his opponents but for storyline purposes still loses.

don't forget scott hall, 2 cold scorpio, eric young, and bam bam bigelow.


Posted By: rey (Guest)  on September 05, 2010 at 11:58 PM

 
 
Roberts was one of the most over performers of the 1980's"



Jake the Snake was popular in the 80s but "one of the most over performers"? Sorry, but not true. The only time during his career that he could truly be considered "one of the most over performers" was during his early 90s heel run.

Posted By: Guest#4682 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:08 PM

I think you under rate him as a face.

Think of the late 80's WWE/F and name the biggest faces. There was Hogan, then Randy, then who...

Basically a handful of "reliable faces" that they ran to: Brutus Beefcake, Ultimate Warrior, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Tito Santana and the Snake... In order I'd say it was 1) Hogan, 2) Savage, 3) Warrior and then either 4) or 5) Hacksaw and Jake. Brutus and Tito were popular but never really wildly over. I guess you could throw Piper in there somewhere...

Look at who Jake got to feud with: Honky Tonk, Andre, Rude, Earthquake, Big Bossman, Ted Dibiase... That's pretty much the big names right there. No Undertaker, but he didn't get the big push until a little later.


Posted By: Ray Church (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:09 AM

 
 
Scott Hall should be number 1.

Though Mr Perfect was AWA champ, he was a career midcarder in his prime.


Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:16 AM

 
 
Its a top ten. Great choices. Martel, Jarret, and Perfect are all technically world title holders

Posted By: 55 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:23 AM

 
 
Stop saying scott hall--the guy got multiple world title shots, was involved in tons of main events and was one of the top 3 players in the biggest angle in wrestling history

Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:26 AM

 
 
I would say Shelton Benjamin is one of the greatest career Midcarders of all-time as well. Always over enough to find his way on a PPV, but never over enough to main event.

Posted By: Guest#4530 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM

 
 
Can anyone name one match in WCW where Hall wasn't phoning it in? Yes, he's cool, funny, etc... but in WCW, he was super lazy in his matches...over-pushed, over-rated.

Posted By: Guest#1465 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:48 AM

 
 
Stevie Richards

Posted By: Blanky (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:13 AM

 
 
The somewhat loose criteria is that a wrestler must have been over with fans but never held a World Title or had an extended run in the main event scene.


No, Curt Henning does not say hello, as his AWA World Title means he can't say hello (Yes, We know the AWA was in the crapper at that point, but it's still a World Title)

Posted By: Guest#4394 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:26 PM

If that's the case then...

Tito Santana was an former ECW World Champion.

Jake Roberts was a former Stampede World Champion.

Dustin Rhodes was a former NWA (CWF) World Champion.

Greg Valentine was a former NWA World Champion.

etc.

This whole column is bullshit. Back to the subject. Scott Hall and Curt Hennig should be on this list. Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels still gets molested to this day for their ladder match and Curt Hennig vs Bret Hart at SummerSlam was the match that made Bret Hart.


Posted By: fran (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:25 AM

 
 
I LOVED this list.
I agree whole-heartedly about Goldust, but I think that if his character had played out a little different in late '97/early '98, I honestly do think he could have made a legitimate world champion in the attitude era.
I fucking LOVE me some Goldust.
Underrated.


Posted By: Csonkamaniac III (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:30 AM

 
 
I want to add that to everyone saying British Bulldog, Owen Hart, and Scott Hall should have been on this: NO. THEY. SHOULDN'T.
Even though these guys never had a world title run and only flirted with the main event scene, you have to understand that these guys were in the WWF in mid-90's where the mid-card WAS ALSO THE MAIN EVENT SCENE. Midcarders were always the ones being called upon to face the likes of Hart, Nash, and Michaels. So the fact these guys could even challenge for the world title shows that they also considerable a main eventer as well.
Therefore I think you have to disqualify them.
Anyone hear me??


Posted By: Csonkamaniac III (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:38 AM

 
 
I don't agree with your rankings, especially Jake Roberts, but I liked the topic.

I agree with most of the additional names that "ROH Commish" suggested but I'd also add Rikishi.


Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:47 AM

 
 
I never post here because you all are retarded, but i have one problem with this article. Did you call cristian a prospect at the beginning? Im sure you just made a mistake. I think he's a veteran even if underused at this point.

Posted By: I dont PLAY (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:52 AM

 
 
I’ve actually been doing a study on this. I’ve only got the post brand extension wwe numbers in, but here are the numbers based on people who have won a mid card belt (ECW Championship counts), but never held the big title.

1. Shelton Benjamin
2. Montel Vontavious Porter
3. Christian
4. John Morrison
5. Kofi Kingston
6. The Miz
7. Matt Hardy
8. Bobby Lashley
9. Orlando Jordan
10. Santino Marella

I definitely wouldn’t use this as the benchmark. Jordan, MVP, and Marella are only on here because they had the heel run where they never defended the title against anybody but Jobbers…Christ I have a lot of time on my hands.


Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 02:07 AM

 
 
I can't understand how the million dollar man isn't on the list - was he AWA champ or something?

Also Greg Valentine always put me to sleep, i don't know how you could mention him on the same day as Ric Flair.


Posted By: Oh! Lymping Hero (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 02:15 AM

 
 
I'm glad to see the Hammer made the list. The Hammer is one of my all-time favorite wrestlers.

Posted By: Dwayne (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 02:19 AM

 
 
I want my money back.

Posted By: Iggy (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 02:26 AM

 
 
I would say Shelton Benjamin is one of the greatest career Midcarders of all-time as well. Always over enough to find his way on a PPV, but never over enough to main event.

Posted By: Guest#4530 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM

This, I think in a ten years we'll all look back very positivly at Sheltons career.


Posted By: Guest#0339 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 03:42 AM

 
 
You knew it was coming...

Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 03:43 AM

 
 
Not only am I not booked, I am not on this list.

Posted By: Dennis Stamp (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 03:50 AM

 
 
Amazing thought provoking topic, so let me get my two cents in now:

10) Bam Bam Bigelow - I always loved Bam Bam. Very agile for a big man, but never got a change to even get a main event program. Sure a little brief altercation with Goldberg, but that's nothing. If it weren't for Vader, Bam Bam may have gotten a place in main event lore.

9) Junkyard Dog - JYD had a stellar career. In fact, he's also half of the first ladder match in wrestling history with Jake Roberts. Again, during the WWF 1980's when Hogan was on top, many were destined to never crack the main event. Cause of Hogan and the rumored racial barrier at the time, JYD never got the push deserved while massively over.

8) Dean Malenko - When talking about pure wrestling and mat ability, Malenko is one of the first names that pops up, but due to lack of charisma and mic skill, he was always mid-card. It's a shame.

7) Kevin Von Erich - It seems the only main event pushes Kevin had was off his brother Kerry's coattails. Kevin is talented, but Kerry was the main guy, and Kevin was always the mid-card. Just the way it was.

6) Arn Anderson - Just like Kevin was to Kerry, Arn Anderson was to Ric Flair. The secondary title holder and the mid-card placeholder for the Horsemen regime.

5) TIE Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine. - These two were WWF Tag Champions, but never achieved singles success past the mid card or tag titles after that.

4) Dustin Rhodes/Goldust - You can trace this one back the whole way to see Dustin has always been mid-card wherever and whomever he has been. Great talent but a victim of circumstances.

3) Tito Santana - A former IC and Tag Champion, but never saw the main event. Again, a victim of the Hogan era. Tito was the #2 face during the Hogan domination and at a time when Face v Face was unheard of. Cause of that Tito never saw a main event program.

2) Jake Roberts - I love the Snake and everything he did. He again, was a face in the Hogan era, and while he got over with his early 90's heel run, he was still lost in the shuffle. Warrior vaulted past him and the Sgt. Slaugher storyline took center stage. After that Jake left for WCW and never tasted the Main Event.

1) William Regal - Much like Malenko, Regal was the man you could count on for a quality match, and you still can. He's proficient in the ring, but lacks the overall character to crack the Main Event scene. His GM stints were comical, but that's it. Regal is a man that can help make a main eventer, but never really be one himself. He's become too valuable to the mid-card and development of new talent, that a main event push would be an injustice at this point.


Posted By: Skiddy (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 04:32 AM

 
 
Rikishi ???

Posted By: Too Cool (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 04:33 AM

 
 
"Roberts was one of the most over performers of the 1980's"



Jake the Snake was popular in the 80s but "one of the most over performers"? Sorry, but not true. The only time during his career that he could truly be considered "one of the most over performers" was during his early 90s heel run.

Posted By: Guest#4682 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:08 PM

As a young kid who saw Jake live at plenty of wwf events in the 80's trust me when I tell you he was over, way over with the crowd


Posted By: Johndoe (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 05:02 AM

 
 
Where is Battle Kat?

Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 06:02 AM

 
 
Ur explanation as to why Roberts was nvr World Champion is one reason why you can't class a guy as mid card just because he wasn't a World Champ. And didn't Roberts main event B and C shows. Also calling Arn a mid carder is wrong. He was one of the best tag team wrestlers in the best era for tag team wrestling. He was a vital part of the most over stable of all time and also important in getting one of the most under rated stables (dangerous alliance) over as a threat. His number of appearances in War Games matches surely takes his tally of main event matches over the threshold of guest in the main event to main event player. And he played important roles in them all. Besides how many men have defeated both Hulk Hogon and Ric Flair?

Posted By: Scouser (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 06:58 AM

 
 
I'd nominate Lance Storm, Owen Hart, Haku and for his US stuff only, Stan Hansen. Shamrock deserves a spot there too. He was more over and a more exciting worker for the same time span as Venis

Good list though. I'd only really swap out Val for Owen and Lance Storm for Deano Machino.


Posted By: Jonberg (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:02 AM

 
 
And that proves why, from a wrestling standpoint, Jake Roberts is not HoF material. Add on that he was unprofessional, an alcoholic and a disgusting human being and you can all stop fapping over him now

Posted By: Guest#5899 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:04 AM

 
 
And I love how mentioned quite a few wrestlers who were around long before you were, just to please other people.

Only comment on wrestling you have seen


Posted By: Guest#9947 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:06 AM

 
 
OK, anyone who thinks Arn Anderson was a "career mid-carder" need their fucking head examined

Posted By: Guest#2037 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:11 AM

 
 
Dean Malenko or Stinko Malenko wasn't worth his weight in salt. A regular channel changer even when Nitro was kicking Raw's butt.

Scott Hall_pathetic work rate - shouldn't be on this list. Someone name a good Hall match once entered WCW?

Golddust, yes, agree w/@Csonkamaniac III (Guest) - They should give Goldy the strap now and let him have a good run with it....Anything Rhodes, Golddust, etc... has money all over it. Runnels got another 7 years of work left in 'em.

Jake the Snake = highly overrated. Everyone talks about his "ring psychology" but they are just repeating what the dirt sheets said. If nobody would've ever mentioned, I wouldn't have had a clue....


Posted By: Guest#7230 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:12 AM

 
 
So, why is this? The simple answer is that the prime of Jake's career took place in an era where champions typically had long, extended runs at the top and only a very select few super-over wrestlers held it.
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Funny I always figured the reason they didn't give him the title was the same reason they didn't give one to Snuka. (Another contender for top 10 career mid carder.) From what you hear in the rumor mill both guys were on an insane amount of drugs. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on so much junk that not even the wrestling world would take a chance of putting the world title on them.


Posted By: NotSoHeavyD2 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:12 AM

 
 
I was loving that Val / D-Lo match until the god-awful finish!

Posted By: Probes (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:41 AM

 
 
Kane and Chris Jericho say hello

Posted By: Jon (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:54 AM

 
 
If a stupid employee hadn't brought Honky Tonk Man a real guitar instead of a gimmicked one to bash over Jake's head, if Honky had taken a moment to go "wow, I swing a lot of guitars at people and this one's weight feels off," who knows where Jake might have gone?

Posted By: Scott B (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 09:10 AM

 
 
Amazing thought provoking topic, so let me get my two cents in now:

10) Bam Bam Bigelow - blah blah blah

9) Junkyard Dog - blah blah blah

8) Dean Malenko - blah blah blah

7) Kevin Von Erich - blah blah blah

6) Arn Anderson - blah blah

5) TIE Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine. - blah blah blah

4) Dustin Rhodes/Goldust - blah blah blah

3) Tito Santana - blah blah blah

2) Jake Roberts - blah blah blah

1) William Regal - blah blah blah

Posted By: Skiddy (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:32 AM


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two things

1) thought provoking? it's compiling a list of mid-carders, not solving the question of afterlife ...

2) you wrote an essay in the comment section. how many people do you think are going to read that?

... do something better with your time


Posted By: ohmyumbrella (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:05 AM

 
 
Glad I'm not on this list...I'm a legend

Posted By: Iron Sheik (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:40 AM

 
 
Would being on, under, or in the middle of two mid-carders at once get me on this list?

Posted By: Lita (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:41 AM

 
 
I'm sorry but what is your definition of "Mid card".

You have boss man on the list but he was main eventing with Hogan for a while there.

You also have a few former world champions on the list, this list is puzzling to say the least. You mention Jake as not having won a world title as a fault yet include Valentine (who was a world champion), Dustin (who also was a world champion), and Henning who was a former AWA champ.

If the definition of a mid carder is someone who never won a world title and never really challenged the main event here are 10 guys that fit that:

Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Rick Rude
William Regal
Shelton Benjamin
Mike Rotunda
Bam Bam Bigelow
Dean Malenko
Bryan Pillman
D' Lo Brown
Tajeri


Posted By: Jake (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:56 AM

 
 
I have never seen Jake or Arn Anderson wrestle. I have been seeing Goldust wrestle. He has done a great job in that gimmick. His matches alongside Booker and promos are entertaining. I liked him best as the weakest link. Great performance.

Posted By: Y2SJ (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:56 AM

 
 
Kane and Chris Jericho say hello

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Yeah because the fact that Jericho has 6 world title reigns and main evented many ppv`s means nothing.


Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 11:10 AM

 
 
Jericho = Chief Vanilla Midget

Runner-up = ROH

3rd place = The current wwe roster.

Take anybody from wrestling 2006 and on and put them against The Immortal Hulk Hogan and "he'd beat 'em up real bad, dude". Hulk Hogan is the reason any of us spend time even watching 1 second of wrestling. He made the sport.

Kane...too many twists and turns to that one-note joke.


Posted By: Guest#0998 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 11:25 AM

 
 
I know you're excluding anyone who's held a world title,but i think there should be an exception made for CM Punk

Posted By: joe blow (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 11:38 AM

 
 
Sometimes I look at the mid-card and wonder how WWE is screwing up certain prospects (John Morrison, Kofi Kingston, Christian
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Christian is great, but too small to be taken seriously with the likes of HHH, Orton and Sheamus. He doesn't have amazing moves like Shawn Michaels, so he will be a mid-carder for life.

Kingston's character would have to change to be taken seriously as a main eventer.

Morrison's day will come.


Posted By: MDK (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:06 PM

 
 
Rick Rude?????? He shouls be in the HOF already!!!!

Posted By: Don Keyking (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:08 PM

 
 
I know you're excluding anyone who's held a world title,but i think there should be an exception made for CM Punk

Posted By: joe blow (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 11:38 AM

No Punk should not be on this list. His career isn't all said and done with like pretty much everybody on this list. Jericho is the first undisputed champion and I don't think being that puts you on the midcard. Yes he's never been considered one of the super wrestling greats but he can main event if you ask him to. I remember seeing him at WM this year as the champ I believe. Maybe before this title run you could have had Kane because he always put the other guy over and his one day title run was for a storyline only. But now after holding the title for a few months and giving him so much air time he can't be on this list.

Would have liked to have seen Owen though, yes he was Brets younger brother but he always stood out on his own when I saw him .


Posted By: midcard madness (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:24 PM

 
 
"Jericho is the first undisputed champion and I don't think being that puts you on the midcard. Yes he's never been considered one of the super wrestling greats but he can main event if you ask him to."

You're joking right? Jericho is considered(albeit something I disagree with) one of the all time greats by almost everybody


Posted By: Guest#5610 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:44 PM

 
 
Well written, but a really hit or miss list.

Posted By: Guest#5675 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 12:58 PM

 
 
If you only considered his WWF run (especially before the accident in 1990), Brutus Beefcake should get at least an honorable mention. He would work a solid match, and was perennially over with the crowd.

In ECW, you had guys like Super Crazy and Tajiri in the last year of the company's run who certainly gave their all, but were not about to be given the title. (Actually Justin Credible shouldn't have been given the title either, as he screamed midcarder, but that's Heyman for you).

Christopher Daniels also screams midcarder. Yes, he's had a couple of shots at both the ROH and TNA titles, but outside of his early run with ROH and the Prophecy stable, he's never really shown that he could be one of the guys to carry a company (and this is someone who really likes his ring work).

Matt Sydal/Evan Bourne is one of the newer guys who will probably be a midcarder for life, as he simply doesn't have the look that people associate with main event status (although people could easily have said the same thing about Michaels in the late 80's).


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:08 PM

 
 
This goes back to the territory days - but I'd add Chief Jay Strongbow.
He was the ideal "gatekeeper" that would beat jobbers on TV, and have a hot feud with a heel


Posted By: LRR (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:09 PM

 
 
Kane... is the heavyweight champion on Smackdown and has been for a couple months, he's jobbed in the main event forever and he was champ (even if just for a day) leaving the KOTR when Foley flew off the cell.

Posted By: the other mikey p (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:20 PM

kane has been in mid card hell for the better part of his career, and he only is holding the title for taker...


Posted By: Guest#1855 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:16 PM

 
 
add aj styles too

Posted By: Guest#4170 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:17 PM

 
 
If we are goin with the above criteria Scott Hall, British Bulldog, Curt Henning, Rick Rude,and Owen Hart were all believeable threats to any World championship, almost at any time during their respective careers. So i dont really consider them "midcarders" since they have all headlined major shows.

Ill go with Brin Pillman tho as a performer who was consistenetly one of my favorite performers in the midcard. The Loose Cannon would have been a HUGE main event draw had he not passed away so young in my opinion.


Posted By: ripstamps (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:26 PM

 
 
Brian Pillman*

Posted By: ripstamps (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:35 PM

 
 
"I never post here because you all are retarded...

Posted By: I dont PLAY (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:52 AM


LMAOoooooooooooooooooooo...


Posted By: Karatgold24 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:36 PM

 
 
What about Don Muraco, Rocky Johnson, Jake is there, so is pat patterson, patera, john studd, and others

Posted By: Cct3stii (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:41 PM

 
 
BATTLE CAT!!!!!

Posted By: pequeno reb (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:45 PM

 
 
Awesome column. Each of the guys you profiled is better, honestly, than the main event performers in my opinion. I've always found the mid-card to be the strongest asset to a promotion and without it (see: WCW) wrestling dies off. They're very underrated performers who put on decent matches.

I woulda thrown Jamie Noble on here. Al snow, too, maybe?


Posted By: Guest#9578 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 01:47 PM

 
 
The somewhat loose criteria is that a wrestler must have been over with fans but never held a World Title or had an extended run in the main event scene.


No, Curt Henning does not say hello, as his AWA World Title means he can't say hello (Yes, We know the AWA was in the crapper at that point, but it's still a World Title)

Posted By: Guest#4394 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:26 PM

If that's the case then...

Tito Santana was an former ECW World Champion.

Jake Roberts was a former Stampede World Champion.

Dustin Rhodes was a former NWA (CWF) World Champion.

Greg Valentine was a former NWA World Champion.

etc.

This whole column is bullshit. Back to the subject. Scott Hall and Curt Hennig should be on this list. Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels still gets molested to this day for their ladder match and Curt Hennig vs Bret Hart at SummerSlam was the match that made Bret Hart.

Posted By: fran (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:25 AM

If you're gonna quote facts then get em right. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine was NEVER a NWA World Champion. Here is a list of all his championships and before you say NWA World TV Champion, he held that title twice in 81. It didn't get World Title status until 85.

AWA Midwest Tag Team Championship with Jerry Miller

AWF Tag Team Championship with Tommy Rich

IWCCW Heavyweight Championship

NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship (Toronto version)

NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship twice

NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship with Ric Flair

NWA Mid-Atlantic Television Championship twice

NWA Television Championship twice

NWA United States Heavyweight Championship three times

NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (4 times) Baron Von Raschke, Ray Stevens and twice with Ric Flair

WCW United States Tag Team Championship with Terry Taylor

NWA North American Heavyweight Championship

NWA Americas Heavyweight Championship twice

NWA Beat the Champ Television Championship twice

NWA North American Heavyweight Championship

NWA United States Tag Team Championship (Tri-State version) twice with Bill Watts and Gorgeous George Jr.

NWA Western States Tag Team Championship with Don Fargo

NWF World Tag Team Championship twice with Don Fargo

PWO Tag Team Championship with Jim Neidhart

PWR Heavyweight Championship

WWC Caribbean Heavyweight Championship

WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship

WWF Intercontinental Championship

WWF Tag Team Championship with Brutus Beefcake


Posted By: Dick Dastardly (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 03:04 PM

 
 
Val Venis will go down as one of the least important characters and performers in wrestling's history. One of the stalest guys I ever saw long before WWE dropped him. Even Hardcore Holly deserved the #10 spot more than him.

Posted By: King Haku (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 04:00 PM

 
 
As a kid growing up in the UK in the early 90s, I seem to remember the most over wrestlers being Hulk, Warrior, Savage, Sting and Jake the Snake. Jake was huge over here.

Posted By: Guest#1815 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 05:17 PM

 
 
Curt Hennig is spinning perfect circles in his grave.

Posted By: TROOF (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 06:27 PM

 
 
I guess for the majority of their careers these are mid carders, but I have a hard time really considering guys like Arn Anderson, Honkytonk and Jake Roberts as mid carders.

During their peaks, they were each able to headline arenas and draw a crowd. I remember seeing Jake against DiBiase in the main event in Orlando (he was immediately arrested after the match for a roadside assault that had occurred months prior) Anderson headlined many events when he was a Horseman, and Honky drew with both Warrior and especially Machoman.

I mean there was a full house for Hogan vs Bad News Brown too, but clearly Bad News had nothing to do with the crowd. It was all Hogan. These other guys were just as much a draw as their counter parts were.

Just sayin


Posted By: The Coach (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 06:29 PM

 
 
The Bossman/Mountie feud led to my favorite line ever. After Mountie lost the match where the stip was that the loser has to go to jail, he gets tossed in which leads to this classic line:

Cellmate: Don't you love the way leather feels against your skin?
Mountie: GET ME OUTTA HERE!

Who says PG can't be entertaining?


Posted By: Pants (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:08 PM

 
 
10- Hurricane
9 - Matt Sydal
8 - Captain Charisma
7 - Raven
6 - Ricky Steamboat
5 - Muhammad Hassan
4- Lance Storm
3- Goldust
2 - Shelton Benjamin
1- The Miz (i hope this guy never main events, he's so shitty)


Posted By: Guest#1068 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 07:42 PM

 
 
Mr Perfect!

Posted By: Guest#0888 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:01 PM

 
 
I would have actually bought Goldust as a World Champion if he stayed with his serious deranged persona around the first year of his debut. Too bad Standard and Practices put an end to that.

Posted By: b2 (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:22 PM

 
 
Shelton Benjamin

Posted By: Arnold (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 08:40 PM

 
 
Greg Valentine was very (very) briefly WWF champion in 1981, taking the belt from Bob Backlund. The decision was later reversed but you are disqualifying others for less than that.

Posted By: No (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 09:13 PM

 
 
Val Venis was a interesting case.I always thought they were prepping him for the main event(remember his 25 minute match with Austin on Smackdown), but somewhere along the way he seemed to lose a step or two. Maybe he got injured or went off the roids or something, but he just didn't seem to move like he did before.

Posted By: Rageforthemachine (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 09:26 PM

 
 
Technically, Andre the Giant never won a title of any kind, except the Hebner/evil ref angle.

Mark Henry- not moving up anytime soon.


Posted By: Bob (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 09:46 PM

 
 
Are people SERIOUSLY mentioning Rick Steamboat in the comments? How many times did he main event with Flair? Also, whoever says The Miz is shitty, is a fucking retard!!!! That kid has worked so hard to get where he is that I would be SHOCKED if he doesn't win a world title eventually! Plus, whoever mentioned Piper must be under 30 years old, cuz without Hot Rod, Hogan wouldn't be as popular as he was/is.

Posted By: j thunder (Guest)  on September 06, 2010 at 10:51 PM

 
 
bossman
hacksaw
goldust
irs
rick steiner
the barbarian
owen hart
the mountie
tito santana
crush
brutus beefcake

also billy gunn
raven
buff bagwell
konnan

no
ted dibiase had several main event runs thus was not a 'career mid carder'
scott hall - spent most of his career just below main event level, not midcard
lmao at people listing y2j or kane

maybe
arn anderson - never really a main eventer on his own but perhaps his horsemen days he was still above midcard


Posted By: beef23 (Guest)  on September 07, 2010 at 04:38 AM

 
 
"I Love you, BUT... no Rick Martel? that guy was a Glory-horse!! Vermont, me, you & dreams, Aaron!

Golddust is amazing! & Reagal?? That guy was almost future champ with his last heel GM run! do all the mid-carders have drug issues or personal demons?

I'll give ya a Val Venis!!! Thanks again!!

Posted By: the Mad Redneck (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:28 PM"

Hey, Fucko, get your own damn nickname. This one's mine!! I won't have you coming on here spouting bullshit, and people thinking it's me. I am the ONLY Mad Redneck. Post as a number, make up your own nickname, or steal someone else's, but keep your fuckin hands off of mine! Shithead.


Posted By: the Mad Redneck (Registered)  on September 07, 2010 at 03:06 PM

 
 
Pretty solid list, but a lot of these guys were champions before. Plus, leaving out Owen Hart is always a no-no.
I never loved Val Venis' WWF work, but his Japanese work was great.

Tito Santana was always great, one of the best face-in-perils ever.

Jake The Snake is a solid pick too. I liked Jake a lot, but he was SMW, CS, AWN, and AWF champion... but never champion in WWF, so if you're going that way, it's okay.

However, if you did just WWF, then I think Owen Hart and Perfect should be on this list.

Unique article, though.


Posted By: The Kyle Fitta (Guest)  on September 08, 2010 at 09:29 PM

 
 
Arn Anderson,Scott Hall,Ted Dibiase,Mr Perfect and Rick Rude(WWE).Greatest should have been champions,end of story.

Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on February 28, 2011 at 05:51 AM

 


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