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The Wrestling 5 & 1 12.31.11: Kaitlyn vs. Mickie James!
Posted by Greg De Marco on 12.31.2011





So here we are, at the end of 2011. 2011 has been a CRAZY year in the DeMarco household, what with the loss of not one but two jobs (which obviously means the obtainment of two jobs as well, ‘cause I'm certainly not unemployed now), the addition of a new family member to the household (not a kid, but a mother-in-law), and all the changes that happen to a 5-year and a 3-year old each year. Plenty has also changed on the 411Mania front, as I continued to hold down the 5&1 fort, debuted and killed The DeMarco Files, saw Buy or Sell die a slow death, tested a 5&1 PreShow (which is still in development), and created a radio show that grew from several hundred listeners being hosted solely at Blog Talk Radio to over ten thousand listeners thanks to syndication with the Voice of Choice Wrestling Nation. I've also taken on the responsibility of live-recapping TNA's Impact Wrestling (well, the live broadcast of taped wrestling), writing the Impact Wrestling content for the 411Mania staple 4R's, and something tells me I'm not quite done yet.

But the world of wrestling has changed just as much. This week we'll take a look at 2011 in the world of wrestling, and look ahead to what's shaping up to be a great 2012. But first, we'll look back just one week, to your comments on the December 24th edition of The Wrestling 5&1.



Hernandez is going to kill someone with that move. It looks like he just gets them past his head and lets them drop instead of throwing them like an arrow.
Posted By: Dr. Wiki


Thankfully, Darci Drake missed the side of the pool.

Every female draw the WWE has ever had made money strictly on their looks. Even Chyna (not hot, but unique). It's nice to fantasize about a day when beautiful women can suddenly work great matches. But if it hasn't happened in all these years, what makes you think it could happen now? ... If I'm Vince McMahon, I'd rather make the $15 off of Trish, Sable, Maryse or Kelly posters than waste TV time on badly worked matches only a niche audience would care about.
Posted By: Guest#1339


You bring up a good point. But if the male wrestlers were grotesque, people would stop watching as well. Wrestling fans tend to lean towards the homophobic side, and it takes a more secure person to admit that the majority of successful male wrestlers are good looking men. I'm married to a beautiful woman who has plenty of sex with me, so I'm secure enough to admit that John Cena has rugged good looks, Randy Orton would likely be an underwear model if he weren't a wrestler, and Chris Jericho has a look that Hollywood would love. But 95% of our audience is male and loves to oogle the pictures we put into our columns. Looks are important in wrestling, but so is skill. If the WWE wanted to promote a female division where the women could wrestle AND were hot, they have the marketing power to make that happen. They just don't want to.

I have had pretty much no interest in seeing either HHH or Taker do anything since around 2002, I'm sure they'll have another Mania match were they'll both have 20 minute entrences so the younger guys have to have 2-3 minute matches and it'll have some kind of stip to hide how broken down Taker is and how insecure HHH seems to be. ... HOWEVER if my choice is that or each of them having a match against someone on the actual roster I'd pick HHH vs Taker, it's clear HHH won't put over anyone who actually needs it and Taker's pretty much a lost cause so if they want to have another finisher, lay down for a minute, finisher, lay down for a minute, blow job match good for them. It'll keep them from getting in the way of the actual wrestlers and angles.
Posted By: @ScottOTD


Exactly my point—let HHH-Taker live in a vacuum. The match will be just as good or better than any other option for Taker on this card, and it doesn't impact any other performer. Plus, if Shawn Michaels is really added to the mix, the story will be a good one.

Happy Holidays by the way, your column is one of the hightlights of my online week
Posted By: @ScottOTD


And thank you, sir!

and regarding the taker-hhh debate.. Call me crazy but, i think somehow 'Taker would have his last 'Mania match with..
Randy Orton. Think about it. He's consistent, he's definitely worthy of selling it both as a heel and a face. There's definitely a storyline there- being either Legend Killer part deux or now seasoned enough to bring down the Deadman.
Waddya think, De Marco?
Posted By: gene


I think John Cena is the obvious choice, but Randy Orton is a future hall of famer himself. I think it would be a great feather in his cap to wrestle in ‘Taker's last match, and I'd be very happy with that choice.

now, if they stopped F'ing with Bryan's win-loss record/matches and how they book him, he'd be the best in terms of actual wrestling. his submissions and reversals are fun to watch as well as his kicks.
Posted By: derpyderp


Win-loss records are meaningless in wrestling, unless an angle determines that they are necessary. That doesn't get you over with 98% of the audience. Daniel Bryan gets over by what he does in the ring. Very few others in the WWE can say that.

TNA is terrible.
Posted By: Guest#1569


Wrong.




The 5: After this point, I would say CM Punk is the best in the world.
Posted By: Still Guest#8287


You can definitely make that argument. All three are amazingly talented. If Jericho returns, we might have a great basis for comparison.

The WWE needs to realize that there are little girls that might want to grow up to be wrestlers too, and perform in the WWE...until they see how badly the current Divas are being used. If used properly they can be seen as role models an entice at least some of the female demographic to follow the product for it's soap opera aspect. This leads into merchandise sales which leads to advertisers taking notice and wanting to have their products on WWE airtime.
Posted By: Guest#9443


I believe there's a market for exactly that. Establishing "Divas" or female wrestlers as beautiful role models for little girls to idolize. Right now, there's no Diva positioned to do that. AJ or Eve could potentially be built in that manner.

So far so good on the Roode & Storm pushes. But I will reserve final judgment until they actually feud. A long-term feud between the two for the title would be great. But knowing TNA, Angle will get his win back against Storm, Hardy will beat Roode for the title, and the two will end up feuding in the mid-card.
Posted By: JDW


I think they could still feud as the semi-main event pairing, much like Storm-Angle is now. But I feel like a Storm-Roode feud NEEDS to involve the title, as the title was Roode's sole motivation for turning on his partner.

Bryan is like that hole in the wall restaurant that has great food. Doesn't draw in casual business but a great find and experience for those in the know.
Posted By: Guest#3272


You're basically describing what ROH was when guys like Punk, Bryan and even Tyler Black were there. And look at what happened. The best food is now being copied elsewhere.

Dont think the wwe is Kayfabing Bryans weight. On a recent Colt Cabana podcast he was a guest on Cabana brought up how in ROH they underbilled his weight where he was actually in the upper 190s and they talked about it. So i dont see why he couldnt have gained the 10 or so lbs since then .
Posted By: SuperCorky


I always used his ROH weight (186 lbs) as my basis. If it were underbilled, then it's entirely possible that he's closer to the 210 they're using on him.

"with whom Bryan is incapable of having a great match. That type of praise is normally saved for two men: Ric Flair and The Rock" ... HBK Shawn Michaels blows all three of them out of the water when it comes to having excellent matches with any type of wrestler. How you threw the rock in their I dont know and Flair could never hang with a high flyer
Posted By: Keith


Because The Rock is a vastly underrated in ring performer. He rarely had bad matches regardless of his opposition. Flair could easily work a high flyer, as he would involve the psychology of taking away their biggest weapon—their legs. HBK has had a few stinkers in his career, and is known for having to script out every element of his matches.

Jericho > Punk and Bryan, if for no other reason than Punk basically STOLE his best in the world phrase (even going to so far in interviews to say he is "The best in the world at what I do" - basically EXACT ripoff of Jericho). ... When either one gets put over the likes of Austin and the Rock in ONE NIGHT...maybe we can talk.
Posted By: marky mark & Lionheart bunch


Except for the fact that Daniel Bryan did it before Jericho did. Or did that not count? So it counts when the WWE steals some of ROH's angles, but not all of them?

You have to define what you mean by the word "wrestler." You seem to be taking it to mean only what goes on between the ropes, but "wrestler" to me takes in all aspects of being a professional wrestler, and that's everything: wrestling talent, mic skills, character development, crowd interaction, etc. And I wouldn't count Jericho because, as of Christmas Eve 2011, he isn't a wrestler. So, it's clearly CM Punk at this point.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)


See, you laid it out as two different things: wrestler and performer. If we use your definition of wrestler, then yes, CM Punk wins.

Who the hell is Lizzy Valentine? Whether you Indy guys like it or not, you're either WWE or you're just irrelevant.
Posted By: #FACT


Based on the voting, I'd say you're exactly right.

Personally, I view Punk, Bryan, and Jericho like I would view Iron Chefs. Punk is like Chef Symon, who takes his craft and adds a little flair to everything he does to the point where watching him isn't just preferred, it's compulsory. Jericho strikes me as the Bobby Flay of the three, where he can take practically anything and make it entertaining, even when he's not winning. And then there's Daniel Bryan - he's the Chef Zakarian of the group, who has worked at his craft for years, is a technical master, and has finally climbed to the apex of his career after facing down some giants in his industry. I don't care who actually is the best, because they're all freaking good, and I would watch any of them in a heartbeat. Same goes for the Iron Chefs, come to that.
Posted By: Nick V


I don't care to argue over your choice of Iron Chefs, but you bring up a good point. All three performers are important. Iron Chefs would suck if we only saw one chef each time out.

As for Daniel Bryan, he may be able to execute moves well, but Punk, and moreso Jericho, know how to engage the audience and tell a story. Jericho is the best in the world. And as for best technical wrestler, I would choose Ziggler over Bryan. I find Bryan boring.
Posted By: Guest#5404


Normally I would disagree with you on just a personal level. But Daniel Bryan's matches are proving you wrong as well. The fact that he builds up fan support during his matches shows that he's engaging the crowd. He's a much better live crowd wrestler than a TV wrestler. His past ROH matches show that.

Also, punk has some ugly moves(flying elbow, GTS).
Posted By: My 2 Shiny Coppers


I didn't get into it, but I've thought that since his ROH run. He does execute several moves with a degree of sloppiness.

WWE has had "female role models" in the past. Sable, Chyna, Lita, Trish Stratus were all booked to be strong characters on the show. You know what happened?
Posted By: Guest#0681


Really, you called Sable & Chyna role models? Really?




Cool column, DeMarco. This "Best in the World" debate could be an actual angle between the three. It pretty much writes itself. Jericho comes back and accuses Punk of stealing his gimmick. Punk says it doesn't matter cause he's the best now. Bryan gets involved saying he's the best actual wrestler, you don't wrestle with microphones, etc. Then have a Punk/Jericho/Bryan Triple Threat Match at Mania. Then I weep with joy.
Posted By: Dr. Toboggan


The fantasy booker in me loves it. Loves it! And it makes you...



But not at ‘Mania. That's the type of angle you center your summer-to-fall swing around. That's normally the toughest part of the year to book. A few years ago they let Jericho & HBK tear it up in that time frame, and giving that freedom to Punk, Jericho & Bryan would be a very good idea.

Firstly, the business doesn't necessarily need saving, but what this (WRP)does suggest is a shift away from a promotional style which was established by Vince McMahon, developed by Eric Bischoff until we arrived at the general format of 4 weeks of tv building to a monthly ppv, with the odd annual superevent receiving special attention. ... WRP is a different method of storytelling and promotion from the standard McMahon established after taking the WWE (inter)national. ...
In fact, it seems a bit odd that no one has tried it before - why take McMahon on in the style he invented and then perfected? Being different from the WWE doesn't just mean in the ring, or do most promoters think there only is one way to make money in major league wrestling?
Posted By: Banterman (Guest)


The main reason no one has tried it is because of the seasonal aspect of the product. They want to make money year-round, basically because that's what has always been done. It's a huge risk to take several months off, especially in today's society. When you come back, will it be as good? Will people have moved on? The "off-season" won't have the same hook as sports, and comparing it to scripted television is like apples to oranges at this point. I'm not saying it wouldn't work (it likely would), I'm just sharing why I think it hasn't been done.

I had heard of Bryan for a very long time but had never seen any of his work until a couple weeks before he was on NXT. I watched some fatal four way with Bryan, Jerry Lynn and two other guys (can't think of the names) and instantly knew Bryan should be something big. There was this awesome highlight vid that was posted on here last year that showed how great he can be, and made me pull for him even more. Great to see three actual wrestler make it like that.
Posted By: SS87


One great thing about Punk/Bryan/Jericho is they take a ton of pride in what they do in the ring. Guys like Rock & Cena take a ton of pride in their work as well—but that pride is in entertaining the fans. Not in putting on a good match. That's actually why Rock & Cena are bigger stars, though.

GREG - AUTOPLAY ON THE RADIO SHOW *OFF*. Not negotiable. I'll listen to it after I'm done reading and commenting. It's obnoxious to have it autoplay and blunder around looking for the button to stop it.
Posted By: Guest#7717


Wait...




Glad you pointed out Jericho & Punk gave the "Best in the World" tag to themselves, but it was wrestling fans who gave it to Bryan Danielson. The reason for that is BD/DB IS the best wrestler in the world. And since selling a match has more to do with ring psychology than running one's mouth, it can be argued he wrote the book on selling that many wrestlers are trying to copy now.
Posted By: 007


One question I'd like to ask is who wrestlers want to work with in the ring out of the three. I've heard other indy wrestlers say that Daniel Bryan (then Bryan Danielson) was the best guy to work with.

Womens wrestling has never been anything more than a fucking joke. The only chick anybody is going to remember is Moolah, and that's just for political reasons.
Posted By: Guest#8573


You really don't think they'll remember Trish? Because they will.

Would love to see Punk v taker,but Taker is showing signs of quitting for good and Punk is already over.Y2j said recently he would love to be a victim but I dont see it happening.
Posted By: The Reaper


I agree, Punk-Taker would be great, and Jericho would make an awesome opponent as well. unfortunately, with HHH-Taker happening last year and likely this year, time probably won't let those matches happen.

I pick Lizzy for one simple reason. Her breasts actually appear to be natural, as supposed to Kaitlyn's plastic puppies. Hell, I'd pick Lizzy over any of the women in the Hall of Bang for this very same reason.
Posted By: natural > plastic


I thought Layla was natural?

I'd go outside the box and pick Christian as best in the world. Jericho and Punk still have awkward and botchy moments. Christian is as smooth as HBK or Flair in their primes. His run as ECW champion was amazing. He had great matches every week with what amounted to a bunch of rookies.
Posted By: Dr Insanity


I've often watched a Christian match and thought it looked too scripted. But that might be because his opponents can't hang with him. I'd love to see the WWE really let Christian work with guys like Punk, Bryan & Jericho. Come to think of it, Christian's prior matches with Jericho were all very good.

Who will take Jericho's crown when he retires? I don't think it will be Punk or Bryan. I think it will be Cody Rhodes.
Posted By: Guest#9899


I would be down with that. Cody Rhodes is amazingly talented, likely the best in his family. And...



I don't know which implication in your post is more ridiculous -- that Trish Stratus can't work a match, or that women who can work a match can't be hot.
Posted By: HeartBurnKid


My thoughts exactly.

Anyone that honestly believes Trish (or any diva) was over for anything more than her looks is delusional. Female wrestling is irrelevant in the states. Overseas is a different story.
Posted By: Guest#6218


Right, but 99% of the wrestling discussed on this site isn't overseas.

There's almost nobody in the wrestling industry that can eat losses like Jericho yet still remain over and relevant. Therefore because of his usefulness to the industry (it doesn't hurt that he's a good wrestler and great promo), he is truly the best in the world at what he does (job out and make others look great).
Posted By: Guest#5676


Here's another point to support your argument: if Jericho, Bryan & Punk all completely disappeared, who would fans be begging for after 12 months? I'd bet the majority would be asking for Jericho.

Joey Ryan can say all he wants on your show. But the hard facts are right there in black and white and they speak for themselves; shrinking roster, plus shrinking crowds mean less shows, a smaller (or non-existent) touring circuit, and no hopes of or plans for expansion on the horizon. CHIKARA>PWG, in every measurable metric. Now, you wanna say PWG>CZW or PWG>EVOLVE, okay, that might be more realistic. But none of the facts -- not opinions, but facts -- I brought to the table are disputable.
Posted By: Jed


PWG books over 20 wrestlers on their shows, including expensive fly-ins. CHIKARA has regular talents don masks and work twice on some shows (Los Ice Creams, anyone?). Their crowds aren't shrinking—the past few shows of 2011 have sold out in advance, and whatever seats they were able to create by adjusting seat configuration wasn't enough to provide enough seats for everyone who was waiting outside for door tickets. If PWG took on the same schedule and distribution as CHIKARA, I believe they would be more successful. Because they put out a better product.










So 2011 is coming to a close, huh? While I think we all need to get excited for 2012, it's always fun to look back to the year that has passed. I generally remain positive, and I expect to do that there. For starters, let's look at the Biggest Story in Wrestling for 2011. That one is so easy, there shouldn't even be nominees. Sorry CM Punk, this one goes to the guy in the image above...



The return of The Rock made waves throughout the WWE, and the wrestling world. He popped a big WrestleMania buyrate, and his appearances on RAW got the company strong ratings. He bumped the Survivor Series buyrate as well, but not as much as expected. But his presence lead to more discussion and arguing than any other in wrestling during 2011. And it caused some doubts, too.

John Cena and CM Punk are two of the most talented men in the business today. In the ring, on the mic, in the mainstream press—both men consistently deliver. But they pale in comparison to The Rock. I know there will never be another Rock, another Shawn Michaels, another Steve Austin. But Rocky's return just showed us how far away we are from those three amazingly talented performers. I don't know what the plans are for The Road to WrestleMania, but watch out for Rock appearances. They will be the early highlights of 2012.

You Decide: Did The Rock make a good impact on wrestling this year?




So The Rock was the top story in all of wrestling this year, but I'll still give a top story for the WWE and for TNA...



TNA used The Bound For Glory series to push Bobby Roode to the #1 contender position, earning a title shot against Kurt Angle during the company's top PPV of the year—Bound For Glory. It was a good build that had the online world pining for a Roode title win. What we got instead was a crappy finish to a short match—one which saw Angle retaining his championship.



This was less of a surprise since Hulk Hogan himself stated that "Bobby's not the guy, brother" on the Thursday before TNA's annual supershow, saying that James Storm has a better connection with the fans and that Jeff Hardy is a guy who transcends all media.

Of course we all remember that it was James Storm that captured the belt from an injured Angle on the following episode of Impact Wrestling—much to the chagrin of the internet (once again). This was all a big set-up, as Roode defeated Samoa Joe to earn a shot at his tag team partner, where he turned heel after blasting Storm with a beer bottle that lead to an apparent concussion angle for Storm.



Bobby Roode starting wearing a suit again, and adorned himself the "Leader of the Selfish Generation." Us here at the internet, finally getting what we wanted (Bobby Roode as world champ) complained once again—proving we truly can't be pleased. What has followed is actually a bit of booking that is turning me around on this whole issue—Bobby Roode is doing a great job as the heel world champion, and James Storm is the "champion of the people" tearing it up in his feud with Kurt Angle.

2012 is a very important year for TNA, as we'll see if they're serious about pushing the newer generation of stars, or if they'll return to pushing WWE retreads to the top of their programming. I am looking forward to a Roode-Storm feud through Lockdown, and a spring & summer that likely sees one of these two talented wrestlers holding the world title.

You Decide: Has TNA turned things around with Bobby Roode and James Storm?





Outside of The Rock's return, the biggest story of the year in the WWE was the ascension of CM Punk. The Straight Edged Superstar went from being a cult-leader to being the leader of the New Nexus to being the leader of a notion of change for the company. He dropped "pipe-bombs" left and right, going from face to heel and entering the upper tier of talent in the world's biggest wrestling company.

It all started with one little promo that absolutely no one saw coming...



Now, this was followed up by CM Punk and John Cena wrestling at the Money in the Bank PPV, in Chicago (Punk's hometown). But the RAW prior featured a contract signing for the big match—in Boston (Cena's hometown).



Many of us (myself included) feared a Cena wil with Punk returning after a good three month break. But that didn't happen...



CM Punk pulled off the victory, leaving the company and taking the WWE Championship with him...for about two weeks. There was a tournament for the WWE Championship, where Rey Mysterio defeated The Miz in the finals and captured the title. However, Triple H booked John Cena as Rey's first opponent Not for SummerSlam, but for later that night on the same RAW. Cena won the title, giving Rey a title reign of less than two hours (but only the third shortest reign of 2011!). This all lead to the immediate return of the man many considered to be the true champion...



While the moment was great, it probably would have been better served following Cena-Rey's SummerSlam main event, at a minimum. From that moment on, CM Punk was booked as a face, and much of his momentum coming out of Money in the Bank was negated. But the run that CM Punk had from the shoot promo to Money in the Bank to his return on RAW was amazing, and the best run of 2011.

You Decide: Did you expect CM Punk to reach the top of the card for the WWE in 2011?



I do have a story I want to cover this week, and it comes from the world of women's wrestling. Madison Eagles, former SHIMMER champion and world renowned female athlete, was advised that she very well might need to retire from professional wrestling due to a knee injury.

The exclusive report came from RingBelles, including this quote from Eagles herself:

"It's just disgusting. I got the worst prognosis that I could have; either surgery and you can't wrestle again or let's just wait it out and see what happens. Unfortunately, that one doesn't have any time restraint on it. We're looking at crap or crapper.

It was two days after SHIMMER [back at the start of October] that I did it. I did a double stomp – from doom, as I call it, the Double Stomp of Doom – and just hyperextended my knee so horribly that I just collapsed in pain and couldn't move. I think it was six weeks after I actually did the injury that I finally got my MRI from the specialist done – and at that point it still looked pretty horrible, like, having been healing for six weeks. So they put me in a brace for another five or six weeks and that's just come off recently and it's still pretty bad. It just looks horrible from my point of view."


That's crap news anyway you look at it. If her career is cut short, then 2011 saw the end of Madison Eagles, the potential retirement of former WWE Diva Serena Deeb due to post concussion issues, well known independent LuFisto taking an indefinite leave due to back issues, and one-time indy favorite Mercedes Martinez experiencing issues with headaches and migraines after suffering a concussion and stinger at the WSU iPPV from November.

The big question I ask is why these injuries are happening? Are they just part of the business, or is there a deeper issue here. As we've discussed here, more than once, women's wrestling is hurt by its portrayal in the top two American wrestling promotions—WWE and TNA. They are eye candy, offering very little to the product in TNA and nearly nothing to the product in the WWE. So are the women on the independents attempting to overcompensate? Are they taking unnecessary risks as part of an effort to prove themselves—women in wrestling as a whole—to the hardcore audience already following their product?

I don't have the answer. I have a forum to ask the questions, as Buggy Nova, Terra Calaway and Barbi Hayden regularly visit The Greg DeMarco Show. Plus, Rain and Taelor Hendrix have been booked for January appearances, and this topic will undoubtedly be discussed.

You Decide: So now I turn it over to you... Are these injuries simply "part of the game?" Or are unnecessary risks being taken by athletes trying to prove themselves are more than eye candy?



It's prediction time!



Daniel Bryan becomes a multi-time world champion: Bryan is immensely talented, doesn't appear to be a wellness issue, and he's getting over during his matches. He's going to be at the top longer than we expect.

Christian will get another main event run: After the WWE Draft, I think Christian will get a run with someone like CM Punk or John Cena. I don't know why, I just see it happening.

The WWE will book the WrestleMania 29 Main Event on April 2: That's right, this will become a WWE tradition. I think we see John Cena beat The Rock at ‘Mania (officially, via tap-out to the STF), and The Rock puts Cena over big time on RAW. When The Rock gives Cena the stage, Cena is interrupted by The Undertaker. Taker-Cena is booked for WrestleMania 29, and Taker goes away until early 2013.

John Cena & The Rock will team again: The WWE really wants John Cena to be viewed as a huge main stream media star. So after Cena goes over Rock, Rock will be back to team with Cena, and this time they'll be on the same page. Vince wants us to view them as equals. We don't, but that's what he wants.

Dolph Ziggler, World Heavyweight Champion: I know it will officially be his second reign, but Dolph will make his way to Smackdown and win the big gold belt. And he won't Swagger the reign, either!

The Miz wins the Royal Rumble: With Randy Orton possibly out with injury (I think he'll try to return to soon and end up out of action for 6-months), The Miz will be inserted into the Smackdown world title match at ‘Mania by way of his winning the Rumble.

John Cena WILL turn heel, briefly: The WWE will give it a shot, just because they want to see if it can work. It'll be short lived, and he'll be a face before we know it.

John Morrison will return to the WWE: I don't see him going to TNA. Rather, I think things fall apart with Melina and he returns to the WWE shortly thereafter. He'll have 99 problems, but that bitch won't be one!

Another injury will alter WrestleMania plans: Someone important will get injured (not just Orton). It will change the course of WrestleMania. So many guys are working hurt, likely more than we know. It's bound to happen.

Cody Rhodes will be everyone's pick to win a world title in 2013: Cody won't win the big one in 2012, but we'll leave the year with him labeled as the guy who will win it in 2013.

Summer Slam will really become the summer's WrestleMania: Something huge will be booked for Summer Slam, possible Rock & Cena teaming or Rock vs. someone else (Orton? Punk?). The WWE really wants to increase SummerSlam's profile, and it makes sense.

Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose & Tyler Black/Seth Rollins will find success on the main roster—as a tag team: They'll both debut separately, but they're so linked in many minds it's not even funny. They'll debut and be great, but it'llbe too crowded for them to succeed. So they'll team up, where Ambrose will gain recognition as a great talker and Rollins will gain recognition as a great worker. Both will get over, and will eventually become the WWE version of Beer Money (in terms of success & push, not gimmick).

Sin Cara will get released: Be it another wellness violation or another injury, the WWE will decide that he's not worth the hassle.

Kharma will get released: Through no fault of her own. She's awesome. She'll come back, beat Beth Phoenix, run through the Divas, run out of opponents, and creative will have nothing for her. She can't face men in the WWE when Linda McMahon is running for senate.

A former name will return: I'm thinking of the following names...Carlito...MVP...Chris Masters. This doesn't count Chris Jericho.



Bobby Roode vs. James Storm will main event Lockdown, for the TNA World Championship: TNA won't let us down here, they truly are behind Roode & Storm.

Bully Ray, World Champion: He's too talented, and they'll need a transitional champ at some point, either to move the title to another face or due to injury. He'll get a brief run, which his career definitely deserves.

Matt Morgan, World Champion: I see him being a successful world champ in TNA's India project, he'll get that shot back in the States. Possibly at Bound For Glory.

Samoa Joe will stay in TNA: People always wish for his release to either return to ROH or get a shot in the WWE. But 2012 won't be much different than we've seen from TNA's use of Joe.

Austin Aries will leave the X-Division: Aries is too damn talented to be in a division that TNA treats like a cruiserweight grouping. Aries can be used as a man to make the TV title a real legit championship.

TNA will reduce its PPV events, putting some on live TV: People keep saying how TNA isn't placing any importance on PPVs, and it's true. Final Resolution drew 8,000 buys. But if TV is their main source of income, than it makes sense to have live specials. Plus, with the UFC off of Spike, and Bellator unable to debut on Spike until 2013, Spike might need TNA to fill in the gap.



Joey Ryan returns to ROH: I think his character in WRP will be so awesome that his profile will increase. He'll have talks with the WWE and TNA, but nothing will come of it. He'll get that shot in ROH, who will push him because of his WRP attention. He'll make the most of it and ascend to the top of the card.

Low Ki will make his return: In fact, I think ROH is serious about bringing in Japanese talent, and Low Ki will come back to beat KENTA and earn an ROH World Championship match against Davey Richards.

Chris Hero signs with ROH: I just can't help but think this Hero-to-WWE thing will never pan out. Hero signs with ROH and becomes world champion by Final Battle.

ROH takes on a major touring schedule: I think they've been working to make this happen behind the scenes since the buy-out. I can easily see six live events per month, plus a taping each month, plus six iPPVs for the year. Do the math, that's 90 events.

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Mickie James FTW

Posted By: Zeus (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:06 PM

 
 
Mickie.

Posted By: BenPiper (Registered)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:10 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Starsky 58 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM

 
 
Mickie James!!!!!

Posted By: stefan (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM

 
 
not piggie james.

Posted By: Guest#8267 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:15 PM

 
 
kaitlyn.

Posted By: Guest#6920 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

 
 
"Really, you called Sable & Chyna role models? Really?"

Trish Stratus's most notable WWE moment was barking like a dog. Lita's most notable moment was doing a "sex celebration" with Edge.

Ever consider the possiblity that there has NEVER been a diva role model?


Posted By: Guest#4805 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

 
 
mickie is as ugly as gail kim.

Posted By: Guest#7813 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:17 PM

 
 
Katlyn. Mickie is a butterface.

Posted By: Guest#6845 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:17 PM

 
 
You know why WWE will never push a diva division built around women that are hot AND can wrestle? Because "hot" isn't good enough. They want to promote girls that are drop dead gorgeous. And let's be honest, there has never been a woman that was really beautiful and great in the ring. It's always been one or the other.

Also, they won't push any diva too much because they all quit once they reach a certain level of fame (Sable, Trish, Stacy, etc.)


Posted By: Guest#7861 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:23 PM

 
 
This should be one sided; Kaitlyn deserves the Hall more than Tiffany, Brooke or even Velvet.

Posted By: Guest#5527 (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:33 PM

 
 
Mickie all the way!

Posted By: panik (Guest)  on December 30, 2011 at 11:56 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Guest#0310 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:01 AM

 
 
I'm going to be faithful here, seeing as how I've had a crush on her since I first saw her, so: Mickie.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:02 AM

 
 
Mickie and Stacy FTW!!

Posted By: Mutatron101 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:06 AM

 
 
I vote for katlyn. She has a more mysterious look

Posted By: eh_steve!_v1 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:09 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#9677 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:23 AM

 
 
Mickie all the way

Posted By: ramone (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:25 AM

 
 
I wanna say Mickie, but I feel like I'd only be picking her based on when she first got to the WWE, so I have to choose Kaitlyn. I'm not one of these losers who thinks she's fat though.

Posted By: SS87 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:25 AM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: JDMPJM (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:34 AM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: Guest#5092 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:36 AM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Guest#0769 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM

 
 
Wolverine...you know, from X-Men, was using the "Best in the world" line long before Jericho, so get off your high horses people. Things get used, reused, and used again. It's the nature of our limited human thought.

Posted By: Yup (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:41 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn, Mickie's too fat.

Posted By: Guest#4269 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:45 AM

 
 
Mickie James
Regarding Jericho's remark that he'd like to be a (Undertaker) victim. I believe that is the only remaining dream match of his left. The big one was with HBK. I think he's done enough work to help WWE build up their future stars to deserve it.


Posted By: Guest#4900 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:48 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: @Scott (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:51 AM

 
 
Mickie
I think one of your commenters was wrong about women's wrestling. Women's wrestling appeals primarily to a small demographic because of how horribly it is booked, not the other way around.
Vince's choice isn't to make $15 off of Trish/Kelly Kelly/whoever's posters or give them air time for a match. He already gives the Divas air time, so I think he'd be better off improving the quality and expanding the audience.
But the run of injuries in women's wrestling is probably a combination of chance and trying too hard.
Madison Eagle's injury just sounds like a freak accident. Hyper-extension on a stomp? Not a high risk move. LuFisto just came back from another injury, IIRC, so she might not have been in peak shape when she hurt her back.
I do think women wrestlers try to work against the McMahon/Bishoff mold though.


Posted By: Guest#7847 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:54 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn again.

Posted By: Guest#0634 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:57 AM

 
 
Mickie James
The funny thing about some wrestling fans is that not only are they homophobic, but they seem afraid of women being shown as complete people.
I doubt that either fear helps them much.


Posted By: Guest#4923 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:58 AM

 
 
The biggest thing that will happen in 2012 will be Brock Lesnar returning to WWE!!! 1/2/12 baby!!!!

Posted By: Guest#4992 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:58 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn, you're done.

MICKIE JAMES!!!!!!


Posted By: Richmond (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:58 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn for the win!

Posted By: Guest 5150 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:02 AM

 
 
Mickie James!!

Posted By: Phobia (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:07 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Stanley (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:09 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Vote! (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:18 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn.

Posted By: Guest#6029 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:24 AM

 
 
Having seen Mickie in person last summer, I have to vote for her. She was absolutely gorgeous; I was actually surprised at how good looking she is.

I definitely hope Impact is headed in the right direction. I'll be holding my breath until after Genesis, because I know some idiot will be campaigning for Hardy because of all the merchandise they could sell. If cooler heads prevail, and Roode dispatches Hardy, then we should be in for a good time with a Roode - Storm feud for the belt. If they continue to keep AJ, Morgan, and Joe strong, things could definitely be looking up. And yes, I agree that Bully Ray could be a good transitional champ at some point. I'd like to see Aries stay with the X a while longer, really help rebuild that division. Let's also hope that they remember to get Velvet back on my TV soon. It seems that's another build they've just thrown away.


Posted By: the ghost of Buddy Rogers (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:26 AM

 
 
Kaitlin....

Posted By: Guest#0807 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:51 AM

 
 
Mickie James.

Posted By: Elevenseven (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:07 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn x300,000

Posted By: Guest#2567 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:08 AM

 
 
mickey james!!!

Posted By: Guest#3779 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:08 AM

 
 
Both are very hot and this is a tough choice, but I'm gonna vote for Katlin to get her 3rd win.

Great column again this week, and have a Happy New Year.


Posted By: Still Guest#8287 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:14 AM

 
 
Mickie James!

Posted By: Finn (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:22 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn.
I can see most of your predictions for 2012 working out. Joe to waste away in TNA, Hero to languish in ROH. I hope Moxley/Black end up together as a team. Pretty much Age of the Fall with Moxley as Jimmy Jacobs, but the WWE has a way of botching simple things.
Morrison and Melina not panning out i don't see. Morrison is quite the devoted boyfriend and nothing short of him walking in on her having a gangbang with former WWE main eventers while saying how Morrison can never be the MAN would end the relationship.


Posted By: Guest#9804 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:26 AM

 
 
Vs: Kaitlyn
2012 Prediction: CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Chris Jericho for right to be called "The Best of the Best"


Posted By: Guest#0 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:29 AM

 
 
Mickie

And I think its about time everyone got off TNA's back about BFG and hotshotting the title. With the way they have handled it since then that have elevated two wrestlers to long term success. They could still blow it but as of right now that is a hugely successful angle for them.


Posted By: gpjunk (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:49 AM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Sean (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:53 AM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:55 AM

 
 
I think Mickie is really cute but Kaitlyn is very sexy. I vote Kaitlyn.

Posted By: Guest#7832 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:56 AM

 
 
kaitlyn, why vote for that horse micky james?

Posted By: Guest#3860 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:10 AM

 
 
Don't get it twisted... I love mickie, but kaitlyn is amazing!,

I hope they turn her heel and go uber-bitch...


Posted By: Guest#8160 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:15 AM

 
 
Definitely Mickie

Posted By: Guest#4589 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:26 AM

 
 
HARDCORE COUNTRY!!

Posted By: Rallo (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:28 AM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: JD Nash (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:29 AM

 
 
Mickie BAH GAWD James!!

Posted By: Guest#6315 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:31 AM

 
 
"Really, you called Sable & Chyna role models? Really?"

Trish Stratus's most notable WWE moment was barking like a dog. Lita's most notable moment was doing a "sex celebration" with Edge.

Ever consider the possiblity that there has NEVER been a diva role model?

Posted By: Guest#4805 (Guest) on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Molly Holly.

I vote for Mickie.


Posted By: MM (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:41 AM

 
 
kAITLYN

Posted By: No (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:46 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: obvious (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:32 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn, but I don't see her making it much further.

Posted By: Guest#1451 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:02 AM

 
 
Love the column, I can't remember off the top of my head, but were you doing the 5&1 in 2010? I'm asking because I'm curious what your 2011 predictions were, I like seeing stuff like that, what you got right, got wrong etc.

Posted By: Darth Funk (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:12 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Tony (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:15 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn!

Posted By: Guest#6491 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:26 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn by miles and miles over Piggy James.

Posted By: Guest#8612 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:41 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn all the way she is like european hot while Mickie is nothing outside of wrestling

Posted By: Guest#1478 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:51 AM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Guest#8718 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:51 AM

 
 
Not sure why you idiots vote for Mickie mb bcs she reminds of your wife 20 years ago?

Posted By: Guest#6518 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:52 AM

 
 
"Really, you called Sable & Chyna role models? Really?"

Trish Stratus's most notable WWE moment was barking like a dog. Lita's most notable moment was doing a "sex celebration" with Edge.

Ever consider the possiblity that there has NEVER been a diva role model?

Posted By: Guest#4805 (Guest) on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Are you serious? The dynamic of the working relationship Trish and Amy had is the shoot interview "I" most want to see. When they started working together Amy had already worked all over the US and Mexico and Trish had taken a few bumps here and there. They drew...they popped the crowd with ALOT more than nip slips, and both women became better TOGETHER. Both did reasonably well seperately but (IMHO) SHINED when working against each other. Simple case of two decent workers being better because of working with the other.

Sadly, until the PG Era ends we'll have women like Beth laying down for women like Kelly and you watch....Kharma will be doing some laying down too.


Posted By: CottonMouthWolf (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:17 AM

 
 
MICKIE JAMESSSSSSSSSS

Posted By: Guest#8758 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:34 AM

 
 
YES to Kaitlyn... NO to Piggy James!

Posted By: Chauvinistic Prat (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:40 AM

 
 
Kate Kate Kate Kate Kate

Posted By: J-Mo (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:16 AM

 
 
Mickie!

As for best in the world is there no love for Kurt Angle or AJ Styles? Kurt is sadly overlooked because he is in TNA.


Posted By: Tim (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:20 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn!

Posted By: Guest#8777 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:23 AM

 
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see a title run for Rey this year.

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:26 AM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Guest#5945 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:28 AM

 
 
Mickie.

Posted By: Bubba (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:44 AM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: Guest#6613 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:50 AM

 
 
Tough!

Do em both in a second, really..

That´s how woman look like!

etc. pp.




..aah, Kaitlyn


Posted By: BoOMBoX (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:02 AM

 
 
Mickie James.

Posted By: bigboss010 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:13 AM

 
 
Kait

Posted By: Guest#0265 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:13 AM

 
 
mickie after i finish with torrie

Posted By: alex rod.. (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:23 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#4189 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:40 AM

 
 
mickie

Posted By: king (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:41 AM

 
 
PWG's crowds have shrunk from when they had a larger tourin circuit. They are not drawing what they used to.

You can "believe" all you want that it's a better product and they'd be successful if they toured more and had more shows, but those are opinions. Opinions and facts are not the same. And what I presented were facts. I think I've proven my point.


Posted By: Jed (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:44 AM

 
 
Mickie
She looked perfect on Impact


Posted By: Jason (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:00 AM

 
 
kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#4042 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:05 AM

 
 
Molly Holly.

I vote for Mickie.

Posted By: MM (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 03:41 AM

Molly Holly was a jobber.

As for womens wrestling, Vince only gives them about two minutes of air time, which is smart. It's very UNpopular, and that ain't ever going to change. Naming some average looking chicks on the indies is irrelevant. He wants bikini models.


Posted By: Guest#7471 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:15 AM

 
 
Miz was right about Mickie. She's an average looking chick that will be working at a Waffle House as soon as she is forced to leave wrestling.

In other words, Kaitlyn.


Posted By: Guest#5392 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:17 AM

 
 
The injuries are just part of the game. Concussions and back injuries are incredibly common, regardless of gender. Madison Eagles may have been doomed by genetics. She's a toothpick. I'm curious if the injured knee is the one she used to hit Hellbound. Could she have weakened it with her own finisher?

I'll disagree with your prediction of Kharma being released because creative has nothing for her. Creative doesn't have anything for ANY of the Divas and they still keep them around. If anything, Kharma is the Diva least likely to bail out for a modeling career.

Tough choice but... Mickie. Dat ass.


Posted By: Dr Insanity (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:23 AM

 
 
Are you serious? The dynamic of the working relationship Trish and Amy had is the shoot interview "I" most want to see. When they started working together Amy had already worked all over the US and Mexico and Trish had taken a few bumps here and there. They drew...they popped the crowd with ALOT more than nip slips, and both women became better TOGETHER. Both did reasonably well seperately but (IMHO) SHINED when working against each other. Simple case of two decent workers being better because of working with the other.

Sadly, until the PG Era ends we'll have women like Beth laying down for women like Kelly and you watch....Kharma will be doing some laying down too.

Posted By: CottonMouthWolf (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 06:17 AM

And yet Lita is still remembered as a slut, while Trish was over primarily for her blonde hair and big tits.

Save your lame rants for something you are qualified to talk about.


Posted By: Guest#0317 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:25 AM

 
 
What is it with wrestling nerds and Mickie James? They act like she's a 10 when she's really closer to a 5. My guess is since 98% of you are virgins, you want to praise a chick that you actually think is attainable.

I could see people going nuts over women like Stacy Keibler, Trish Stratus, or Maryse. But Piggy James???


Posted By: Guest#7839 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM

 
 
kaitlyn

Posted By: jfbop (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

 
 
kaitlyn

Posted By: me (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 10:42 AM

 
 
hard for cuntry

Posted By: Guest#3917 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:05 AM

 
 
Tough call but I'll go with Kaitlyn.

Posted By: T-Mirk (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:10 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: DivasRGr8 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM

 
 
 
Not sure why you idiots vote for Mickie mb bcs she reminds of your wife 20 years ago?

Posted By: Guest#6518 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:52 AM

 
Are you 10?


Posted By: Guest#2356 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:24 AM

 
 
Mickie James.

Posted By: #I'mjustsayin... (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:33 AM

 
 
more Mickie James please!

Posted By: Guest#2363 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:37 AM

 
 
In what universe are neither of these two in, and that vanilla midget Tiffany is taking a seat.

Kaitlin


Posted By: Guest#7679 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:52 AM

 
 
Yup is right, Wolverines catchphrase has been "I'm the best there is at what i do- but what i do isn't very nice", for decades. And "Bub", he says "Bub" a lot. It seems a substantial amount of people convieniently forget Jericho admitted himself he based his heel character- with the slow, calm, almost rational delivery given away by it's monotonal, indifferent nature (which is not the character he returned with "to Save us", but one that came about through injuries to other wrestlers and the hotshotting of a title) on Anton Chigurh from the Coen Brothers version of the Cormac Mcarthy book "No Country For Old Men". Jericho may well have been one of the best, arguably the best and in the future may well cement himslf as the best, but he is as succeptable to fate and circumstance as anyone. Amazing as his performance was in the last instance he should be gratefull- the WWE needed him to be a heel champ just as there was an inspirational film with an Oscar winning performance in the DVD player on the tour bus. What matters is what this could potentially lead to not why or how. The chance of a Jericho/Punk/Bryan feud sounds amazing (certainly worth reworking a character and catchphrase) and i've never once watched RoH... Though fate and circumstance could intervene and say John Cena hurts his neck, well, then we see Jericho vs Rock and Punk vs Bryan or Punk vs Rock and Jericho vs Bryan at Wrestlemania and all of a sudden it's the best Wrestlemania in a long while.

Posted By: Guest#0209 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:03 PM

 
 
MICKIE!

Posted By: Ryan (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:06 PM

 
 
"You really don't think they'll remember Trish? Because they will."

I wouldn't count on that. Crowd reaction has been non-existent since she left WWE as a regular. Five years from now she'll be a footnote.


Posted By: Guest#1784 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 12:25 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#3058 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:02 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn... Mickie James is gross to me...

Also, I still have always preferred Chikara over PWG... Cause that's how I roll.


Posted By: Doc (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:19 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: TJ Fan (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:24 PM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Guest#8360 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:26 PM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: angel (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:47 PM

 
 
tv match of the year: Dolph VS Ryder VS Rhodes VS Bryan in the "Social Media Superstar Of The Year" award at this year's Slammys

Kaitlyn... but I always loved Mickie... this was a tough choice.

I tend to agree with the whole Divas thing... except for one: Trish... she was the sexiest Diva the WWE ever had and probably the greatest female wrestler since Alundra Blaze.


Posted By: Guest#5762 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:52 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn. No contest here.

Posted By: Me (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 01:55 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn!

Posted By: Guest#6517 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:15 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Anthony (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 02:51 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Guest#9403 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:04 PM

 
 
Mickie James

The injuries aren't all that surprising. Women, unlike their male counterparts, are pressured into being skinnier without the bulk of a lot of muscles. Without sufficient muscle fiber strength, joints have less support and are more prone to injuries. In Madison Eagles case, as was mentioned earlier, she tends to be genetically skinnier anyway.

In Lufisto's case, one thing that kind of jumps out is that she has been a pretty hardcore wrestler over her career. I think her matches have finally caught up with her.

As for Sereena Deeb, I watched her match against Madison Eagles for the Shimmer title and one thing that kind of stuck out was that she is not that great at taking bumps. I think she ended up taking a lot of unnecessary head trauma because of it.

On the gender side, its hard to say whether or not women are impacted more negatively over the course of their careers. Looking at female wrestlers in Japan, there are quite a few older stars that have managed to stay healthy throughout their careers. Hard to say but pretty interesting topic.


Posted By: PK (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:05 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#6980 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:08 PM

 
 
Katlyn. Mickie is straight up ugly.

Posted By: Guest#8976 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 03:51 PM

 
 
Gotta go Mickie

Posted By: Guest#3690 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:10 PM

 
 
MICKIE JAMES!!

Posted By: Guest#0637 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:16 PM

 
 
MICK-AAYYY!!

Posted By: Gibby (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:18 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#8592 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:19 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#6020 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:19 PM

 
 
Mickie >> Kaitlyn

Posted By: Davey (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:19 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#1041 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:20 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#5740 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:21 PM

 
 
MICKIE!!!

Posted By: Guest#1632 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:21 PM

 
 
Mickie, dammit!

Posted By: Guest#6233 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:26 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#0947 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 04:45 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn.

Posted By: The S-Man (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:37 PM

 
 
kaitlyn by a mile

Posted By: Guest#0524 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:42 PM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: sheep101 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 05:53 PM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Dubhagan (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:00 PM

 
 
Gotta go with Kaitlyn. Mickie's OK, but never done anything for me. Even though she's done actual porn.

Posted By: Paul Roma's Uncarriable Jock (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:19 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Scotty (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 06:35 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Bill (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:01 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn wins again...give her some real competition please...

Posted By: Guest#6741 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:16 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Guest#9444 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:17 PM

 
 
Jericho > Punk and Bryan, if for no other reason than Punk basically STOLE his best in the world phrase (even going to so far in interviews to say he is "The best in the world at what I do" - basically EXACT ripoff of Jericho). ... When either one gets put over the likes of Austin and the Rock in ONE NIGHT...maybe we can talk.
Posted By: marky mark & Lionheart bunch

Except for the fact that Daniel Bryan did it before Jericho did. Or did that not count? So it counts when the WWE steals some of ROH's angles, but not all of them?

You're also ignoring that Jericho borrowed some other aspects from Bryan's heel act. The "I have till 5, ref!!!" bit was something Bryan was doing way back in '05/'06, two years before Jericho started doing it. In fact, a lot of the heel tactics he started using were cribbed from Bryan's book. I think Jericho made it his own but the dude claiming that Punk and Bryan ripped him off is fucking stupid. Do some basic research.


Posted By: Guest#5964 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:28 PM

 
 
Wait. Madison Eagles and Serena Deeb might have to retire soon? =[ That sucks.

When did Serena even get concussed? I've seen her matches and she really doesn't wrestle a very dangerous looking style. Nor does Madison. I had no idea these two were so messed up. Man, this sucks. =\

On a lighter note, I hope your predictions of Joey Ryan returning to ROH is true. Ryan is soooo underrated. ROH really missed the boat on the him the first time around. Sticking a mouthpiece on him really made no sense. He's got charisma, mic skills, a good look, and he's decent in the ring. He'd make a great ROH mid-carder in my opinion. I would say main eventer, but I know ROH fans expect a harder hitting, faster paced wrestling style from the top dudes in the company. He'd make a great ROH World Champion if he was a heel though.

Also, Mickie James I guess. Kaitlyn seems like a nice gal, but she has a rather manly face. If you cover her hair she kind of resembles Tyson Kidd, lol.


Posted By: Yup. (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:33 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Fred (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:34 PM

 
 
Not another blonde bitch! Pig.. I mean Mickie FTW!!!!!

Posted By: The Cuntpuncher (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:37 PM

 
 
PWG's crowds have shrunk from when they had a larger tourin circuit. They are not drawing what they used to.

You can "believe" all you want that it's a better product and they'd be successful if they toured more and had more shows, but those are opinions. Opinions and facts are not the same. And what I presented were facts. I think I've proven my point.

Posted By: Jed (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 09:44 AM

You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

1. PWG never toured. They've always done shows in SoCal. Thats it.

2. Since 2009 PWG has been drawing larger crowds than ever before. If you don't believe me, check out their show "Pearl Habra" from 2008. That show was ran in the venue they run all their shows in now. Compare that crowd to the crowd from pretty much any show in 2009 - 2011 (except the WrestleReunion shows) and you're see theres CLEARLY a hell of a lot more people in the crowd.


Posted By: Guest#4905 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:40 PM

 
 
The new Hall of Bang pic looks nice!

I really thought Lizzy was better looking than Kaitlyn, too bad she lost...but Ill take Kaitlyn over Mickie anyday!

Excited to see Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose on my tv this year!


Posted By: SilentOx (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:50 PM

 
 
Really tough VS this week. I like them both & would be happy to bang either one. And Mickie is NOT fat, most of the others are too skinny! Did you see her match the other nite against Gail Kim in those daisy dukes? Wow! Damn near perfection.

Even so, I'm gonna have to go with Kaitlyn cuz she's prettier. And no, it's not because I think Mickie is a butterface, it's just that Kaitlyn has a face I'd like to butter!


Posted By: Guest#4496 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 07:58 PM

 
 
Hey Greg,
Given everything that has happened in the last 24 hours, is it possible that we now have Undertaker's WM 28/20-0/retirement match opponent in BROCK F'N LESNAR??? It could be the "one off" match JR is referring to, and would be a huge blow off to Taker's career. Defeating the prodigal son, who left and became the "real" fighting champion? I say that ends the Taker-WM story quite nicely. Especially considering the history between the two.


Posted By: Guest#7091 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:06 PM

 
 
M I C K E Y J A M E S ! ! !

Posted By: Guest#6256 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:19 PM

 
 
this is not even close...

Kaitlyn for the win!!!


Posted By: Guest#4391 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:40 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn FTW!!!!

Posted By: Guest#2236 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:41 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn for SURE

Posted By: Guest#5004 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 08:58 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn....

Posted By: regal (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:01 PM

 
 
Hey Greg,
Given everything that has happened in the last 24 hours, is it possible that we now have Undertaker's WM 28/20-0/retirement match opponent in BROCK F'N LESNAR??? It could be the "one off" match JR is referring to, and would be a huge blow off to Taker's career. Defeating the prodigal son, who left and became the "real" fighting champion? I say that ends the Taker-WM story quite nicely. Especially considering the history between the two.

Posted By: Guest#7091 (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 08:06 PM

Lesnar/Taker at WM - some buys....

Cena/Taker at WM - MANY BUYS!

It is one of the few remaining dream matches WWE has left. The casual(majority) fan could care less if Brock Lesnar ever comes back. The younger fans won'r evn know who he is.

No, the $$$$$ is on Cena/Taker for Undertaker's 20th win. He beat the face of the company, retires 20-0. Perfect ending. He will have beaten them all. John Cena is THE ONLY man who could cast doubt on The Streak.


Posted By: Cena/Taker WM 29 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:16 PM

 
 
Hey Greg,
Given everything that has happened in the last 24 hours, is it possible that we now have Undertaker's WM 28/20-0/retirement match opponent in BROCK F'N LESNAR??? It could be the "one off" match JR is referring to, and would be a huge blow off to Taker's career. Defeating the prodigal son, who left and became the "real" fighting champion? I say that ends the Taker-WM story quite nicely. Especially considering the history between the two.

Posted By: Guest#7091 (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 08:06 PM

Lesnar/Taker at WM - some buys....

Cena/Taker at WM - MANY BUYS!

It is one of the few remaining dream matches WWE has left. The casual(majority) fan could care less if Brock Lesnar ever comes back. The younger fans won'r evn know who he is.

No, the $$$$$ is on Cena/Taker for Undertaker's 20th win. He beat the face of the company, retires 20-0. Perfect ending. He will have beaten them all. John Cena is THE ONLY man who could cast doubt on The Streak.

Posted By: Cena/Taker WM 29 (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 09:16 PM

While I agree that Cena/Taker is the bigger match from a wrestling perspective, I disagree with you on the casual/younger fan issue. The casual person knows that Brock Lesnar is a legit badass, and will buy WM 28 because they want to see him in action in any way they can. The kids know him because he's been a poster boy for UFC for the past 5 years. It would draw. With Rock/Cena its not needed, but it would draw.


Posted By: Guest#7378 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:40 PM

 
 
I tend to agree with the whole Divas thing... except for one: Trish... she was the sexiest Diva the WWE ever had and probably the greatest female wrestler since Alundra Blaze.

Posted By: Guest#5762 (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 01:52 PM

You serious?

Trish was about as dedicated to wrestling as Maryse.


Posted By: Guest#3566 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 09:41 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn a thousand times.

The thing is Women's wrestling doesn't make money, at least not the kind of money the WWE is looking to make. Photo shoots in WWE magazine and web site hits probably make more from ad revenue.

Look at it this way. SHIMMER, arguably the best Women's promotion in the country, is a DVD company. Their web site's FAQ admits it's the only way they can make money. There's not a lot of mass market appeal; certainly not enough to try a regular TV show.

By and large, girls and young women don't look to contact sports when looking for role models. Women are wired differently from men and they don't get the same thrill from violence that we do. Sure there are a relatively small number of exceptions, but not enough to really draw a significant audience. The majority of female wrestling fans are men who get off on watching women fight.


Posted By: Carl (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:01 PM

 
 
Mickie james
Rock was good for the E like you said he boosted ratings and gave people a reason to be intrested in a Cena feud.

As far as womens wrestling it is both a part of the game & they are risking theeir health to prove they are more then eyecandy. As a wrestler injuries occur but sometimes those injuries can be avoided. You mentioned Rock & cena being over because they can perform BUT they connect with the crowd. An women who wreslte need to Learn how to get that huge crowd following an connection like cena and the rock. Especially if they have the look and decent if not above average ability. They need to work on connecting with the fans.

I think your predictions are spot on. For the most part. I see Dolph becomming a major player in the title scene as well as christian again. Drew macntire(I know I butchered his name but ehh) sin cara,Karma will be released as well as a few others.

TNA as a whole disapoints me but there are certain wrestlers that I find entertaining and can put on a show. Or have potential. Rood,Styles, are stand outs. Samoa joe is pretty good as well as danials but his age holds him back. Those are the people i'd take and place in the E.


I see morrison returning after a small stint in TNA or just making a return in the middle of the year, to feud. With a cody rhodes or miz. I think those would be good matches.

Taker & triple H at mania wouldn't be to bad of a match,if they shorten it that means cut out the long intros. An all the extrra things un needed. And if they don't go againt each other then i'd put each againt up & commer. Dolph vs taker an rhodes against Triple H if built right .


Posted By: watever87 (Guest)  on December 31, 2011 at 11:34 PM

 
 
Mickie. Soft-core Cuntrayyyy!

Posted By: CM Flair (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 12:00 AM

 
 
Mickie James

Posted By: Guest#0987 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 12:00 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn...

Mickie has a horse face.


Posted By: Guest#9208 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 12:17 AM

 
 
Mickie by a mile!

Posted By: Double T (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 01:54 AM

 
 
Way to ring in the New Year with a ton of great content, Greg.

5-I caught myself grinning just about every time Rock spoke on WWE TV this year, so for this mark, his return was worth it. He also gave Cena something to do other than hang around the RAW title scene, clearing the way for ADR and CM Punk to get a chance there and, along with Punk, forced the issue of the mixed reactions that John gets, which might make creative do something interesting with his character for the 1st time in at least five years. So, yeah, that's a good impact.

2-I missed that news about Eagles. Bummer. I don't have an answer about if these women take more risks to overcome stigma created by gender in general and Diva/Knockout stereotypes, but it seems logical that they might - and I look forward to hearing what some of your contacts in the business think. Commenter PK brings up a really good point about the female physique and weight pressure possibly being contributing factors, too. Anecdotally there don't seem to be more injuries to women than men at any level of wrestling, but the %s are hard to gauge given that there have to be 2-3 times as many male workers. This should be an interesting and important conversation.

1-I like all of your WWE predictions, and especially hope you're right about Christian (who deserves it and proved he can be entertaining as a heel on the losing side of a main event feud) and Ambrose/Rollins (been a big fan of Moxley for a couple of years and think he can carve a niche for himself in the WWE fairly quickly. I hadn't thought about an odd couple tag team for the two, but think it's a strong idea - and would mean that the WWE tag team division was continuing its rebirth into 2012).

As for RoH, I tend to agree with you that something is rotten in Denmark re: Hero-to-WWE, and I hope he does land back in RoH. He could bring some much needed variety to their roster and really flourish as a singles star. Along those same lines, the prediction you're missing in that section is the permanent placement of Kevin Steen into the RoH main event mix. The title trio of Edwards, Strong and Richards is badly in need of some spice, and Steen - like Hero - is a guy who can get a fighting character over with the RoH crowds and still work a strong-style match. The most interesting storytelling RoH has done in the last two years has centered around STEEN, and it's time they put his skills in their biggest spotlight.

VS-great new HoB graphic. I've long loved Mickie, and the only part of Impact I caught last week was spent thinking "yum" during the main event. But this match-up is forcing me to realize how bad my Kaitlyn problem is...she gets my vote, and really needs to be on my TV screen a lot more, pronto.


Posted By: s1rude (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 02:41 AM

 
 
Kait's cute, but Mickey's just got something that makes me go wow.

"Ever consider the possiblity that there has NEVER been a diva role model?"

Though she predates the term, Miss Elizabeth.

I disagree about Punk being the biggest thing in WWE. I think the retirement of Edge was bigger, because it changed the landscape of the E. I'd argue it was the catalyst for Punk's rise (Orton going to Smackdown, Punk bumped up to face Cena). And thata's not knocking the Punker.

I don't just think it's Indy women who are overcompensating. I think almost the entire Independent scene overcompensates.


Posted By: G-Walla (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 03:58 AM

 
 
Dr. Toboggan forgot the part where Kurt Angle shows up and beats the shit out of all of them with a broken freakin neck.

Posted By: poffo316 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:13 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#5275 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:38 AM

 
 
"You really don't think they'll remember Trish? Because they will."

I wouldn't count on that. Crowd reaction has been non-existent since she left WWE as a regular. Five years from now she'll be a footnote.

Posted By: Guest#1784 (Guest) on December 31, 2011 at 12:25 PM

^^^This. Honestly I loved Trish and popped wood over her back in the day when she was blonde and out there all the time, but when she came back in early 2011, it took the announcers saying who it was for me to recognize her, and she didn't do it for me like she did before. The only Diva current or former that stands out is Maryse because she is a goddess, period.


Posted By: Guest#8411 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:42 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Malte (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:55 AM

 
 
Mickie James all the way.

Posted By: Carl Amari (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:47 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn all the way

Posted By: Guest#1950 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:58 AM

 
 
I have tried getting into TNA before, but man, was it bad. This was around the MEM then into Hogan coming in and trying to restart the Monday Night Wars...and its still fucking bad when Hogan and Bischoff and broken down Flair are involved. However, what they're doing with Roode makes me think they could start turning the corner which I hope happens as then maybe they can force WWE to get creative once again. WWE seriously only showed any creativity in the past couple years with the CM Punk angle which they quickly botched the fuck out of. However, with the crew holding the titles now, if they take time and try to cultivate interest and relativity in them, it could lead to great things for WWE. Getting back to TNA, if they stick with running behind Bobby Roode, I think they could get onto something big, I just can't shake the feeling that Hogan/Bischoff/Russo booking will eventually fuck it up.

Posted By: Guest#3621 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 09:00 AM

 
 
Mickie James!!!!!

Posted By: Guest#4307 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 10:30 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#8987 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 12:04 PM

 
 
This. Honestly I loved Trish and popped wood over her back in the day when she was blonde and out there all the time, but when she came back in early 2011, it took the announcers saying who it was for me to recognize her, and she didn't do it for me like she did before. The only Diva current or former that stands out is Maryse because she is a goddess, period.

Posted By: Guest#8411 (Guest) on January 01, 2012 at 07:42 AM

Trish's main problem is that she left in the prime of her career and then radically changed her appearance as a way of distancing herself from her wrestling. I don't see why anyone would be surprised that she's not over with today's crowds.

She's still a beautiful woman, but I have a feeling that her real "legacy" will be whatever success she has with her fitness brand. Like, if she'll be famous for anything, it'll be yoga, not wrestling.

Maryse is also beautiful, but let's not get carried away. She might be a "goddess" in wrestling, but she won't stand out as a model or actress.


Posted By: Guest#3839 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 12:19 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn.

Mickie's porno is disturbing.


Posted By: Banz (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 01:47 PM

 
 
Mickie James is way hotter than anybody else in the Hall, with the possible exception of Trish. So yes, she beats your skank of the week.

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 02:44 PM

 
 
MICKIE!

Posted By: Guest#9911 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 03:07 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: steve (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 03:44 PM

 
 
It's a real shame about Madison Eagles. No one seems to see eye to eye with me on this, as most lean towards Del Ray or Cheerleader Melissa, but in my opinion Madison was the best Women's wrestler in all of North America the past 2 years or so.

She really upped her game when she turned heel in SHIMMER and had title matches that made the (usually very good) matches that MsChif had seem like mere dark matches.

Be it Deeb, Mercedes, Melissa or whoever, Madison put on fantastic match after fantastic match. I still feel Madison Eagles defense against Jessie McKay was one of the greatest women's matches I've ever seen. And one of the best matches of the last 2-3 years.

Madison will be sorely missed.


Posted By: Pat (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 04:53 PM

 
 
kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#5481 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 04:58 PM

 
 
Mickie

Posted By: Smiley (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 06:17 PM

 
 
"But I feel like a Storm-Roode feud NEEDS to involve the title, as the title was Roode's sole motivation for turning on his partner."-See this right here, DeMarco? This is why it won't happen. Because it would actually show signs of continuity.

Posted By: Guest#8785 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:25 PM

 
 
I'd argue that a lot of people have already forgotten about Trish Stratus. It's blatantly obvious nobody gave a fuck the last couple of times she showed up.

Posted By: Guest#0133 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:33 PM

 
 
PWG can't tour or run too many shows though, because they use too many ROH talents and haven't developed enough of their own. CHIKARA is better by default.

Posted By: Guest#2529 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:36 PM

 
 
The Rock's impact on wrestling this year might've been good in the short run, as far as making some quick dough, but it's bad in the long run because all he's done is prove that today's generation of stars just aren't going to surpass the Attitude Era guys.

Posted By: Guest#4983 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:38 PM

 
 
I don't think any of those women were overcompensating really. I just think it was a rash of bad luck injuries. Seems there's one every year in the wrestling world. No real story to it, just the way things are.

Posted By: Guest#3311 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:42 PM

 
 
No way in hell Joey Ryan main events or even gets a shot in ROH these days. He's not lacking in personality enough or enough of a shitty no-seller to get a chance.

Posted By: Guest#2902 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:45 PM

 
 
Low-Ki's not coming back to ROH. He's burned so many goddamn bridges he's down to working IWA-East Coast and JAPW when it starts back up and pretty much nothing else. Pretty much everybody in the business hates him.

Posted By: Guest#3937 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:46 PM

 
 
Diva roll model... this is a huge stretch, maybe someone like Molly Holly. She never seemed to be involved in the real crazy stuff, was hot, straight laced and could work.

Posted By: APrince66 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 07:49 PM

 
 
Mickie James, easily!

Posted By: Roy Rogers McFreely (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:34 PM

 
 
Diva roll model... this is a huge stretch, maybe someone like Molly Holly. She never seemed to be involved in the real crazy stuff, was hot, straight laced and could work.

Posted By: APrince66 (Guest) on January 01, 2012 at 07:49 PM

Molly wasn't popular enough to be a role model, though.

Divas just don't have staying power. As long as they keep bringing in 20 year old bikni models every year, you can forget about creating any sort of legacy. Sable was the most over diva ever in 1998. She comes back in 2004 and is considered an old hag. That's just the way it goes.

I think Trish is the smartest one. She pops in just long enough to plug her shit, then goes home. I don't think she gives a shit about nostalgia pops at this point in her life. It's all business.


Posted By: Guest#3577 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:35 PM

 
 
Mickie!

Posted By: Guest#2549 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:36 PM

 
 
MICKIE JAMES!!

Posted By: Ryback (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:38 PM

 
 
No doubt, MICKIE JAMES!

Posted By: Guest#8635 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:40 PM

 
 
Mickie James FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: Guest#9984 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 08:59 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#3915 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 10:19 PM

 
 
KAITLYN

Posted By: DX (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 10:48 PM

 
 
i say Kaitlyn

Posted By: senorfro (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 11:00 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#3436 (Guest)  on January 01, 2012 at 11:45 PM

 
 
Gotta go w/Mickie

Posted By: Guest#2334 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 01:05 AM

 
 
my big prediction (and maybe it is just wishful thinking) is that SummerSlam will be main evented by a tag match involving Orton, Cena, Rock and Austin. I did a fantasy booking of this on WWE '12 that involved Orton coming to the ring with Cena for Mania and Austin with Rock (assuming at the time that Randy would not be healthy for Mania... natural segway is likely a tag for Summerslam involving Orton & Cena vs Rock & Austin... Orton is easily the new Austin and Cena is of course the new Rock... the crowd in LA would go insane.

Posted By: Chad (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:00 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#8259 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 10:02 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#1530 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 10:03 AM

 
 
Mickie James! She is gorgeous, has a fantastic body, and is quite a wrassler. Love her!

Posted By: Travis (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:31 PM

 
 
"The dynamic of the working relationship Trish and Amy... When they started working together Amy..." -- Posted By: CottonMouthWolf


Nobody.... and I do mean NOBODY... is impressed that you used Lita's real name in your post, douchebag.


Posted By: Guest#0106 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:32 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#9817 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:53 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#9082 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:53 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#4739 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:54 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#6584 (Guest)  on January 02, 2012 at 03:54 PM

 
 
Another easy win for Kaitlyn. Mickie's ok, but nowhere near Kaitlyn's league.

Posted By: DarthDaver (Registered)  on January 02, 2012 at 05:32 PM

 
 
kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#9897 (Guest)  on January 03, 2012 at 12:00 AM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Christopher (Guest)  on January 04, 2012 at 06:07 PM

 
 
Kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#9388 (Guest)  on January 05, 2012 at 09:07 PM

 
 
how many chances is piggie james going to get. i'll go with kaitlyn

Posted By: Guest#2578 (Guest)  on January 05, 2012 at 09:07 PM

 


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