The Wrestling Sandwich 01.21.12
Posted by Wes Kirk on 01.21.2012
Thoughts on CM Punk being prevented from cornering Chael Sonnen at UFC on FOX 2, TNA's international television deals, Evan Bourne being suspended again, the feud between Alex Shelly and Austin Aries and more!
This portion of the intro I am writing after RAW and I have to say it was a pretty poor event tonight. The main event "match" was mainly around to advance the storylines and frankly if they are working a story around Mick Foley that's just ridiculous since the guy was obviously not in shape to go Monday and probably not anytime in the near future. In booking people would be up in arms about regarding TNA the WWE decided to have a tag match turn into a six-man match featuring Punk, Jericho, and Bryan against the team of Otunga, Henry, and Ziggler. Jericho does his little routine of not doing anything and leaving the match so Foley runs down and claims the GM allowed him in. After he wins, the match result is thrown out because the GM DIDN'T let him in and the heels are declared winners. Punk rants on Laurinitis, and Laurinitis ends up hitting Foley with a microphone and leaves after declaring he is tired of being disrespected. Oh and earlier in the show we got to crown a new US champion in Jack Swagger who needed THREE GUTWRENCH POWERBOMBS to beat a non-medically cleared Zack Ryder. Laurinitis claimed he didn't know about Ryder not being cleared even though Ryder said it in the hallway with Eve. After finding out he wasn't cleared, he didn't change the result like he did with Bryan/Henry but instead let the decision stand and gave Swagger a second match against John Cena, in which Cena brutally destroyed him with no ending other than Cena staring at the Tron Kane had been on laughing at Cena's newfound brutality and hate.
...People say TNA doesn't make any fucking sense? And WWE wonders why their ratings are down? Let's break the main event down really quickly. Why is David Otunga in the six-man match in the first place against Jericho when Jericho seemed so chummy with Laurinitis when he came to his office? I can understand holding off on Jericho attacking Punk until after the Royal Rumble, but he just does nothing again? Couldn't he at least have hit a few moves and then left after the crowd started a chant for him? I just don't understand some of the logic around here, since the match ended with a guy not even in the match pinning the GM's lawyer. If TNA put this same type of match on Impact you people would shit all over it and don't lie and say it isn't true! As far as RAW goes, Epico and Primo got their signing bonus of the WWE Tag Titles (everybody seems to get the title at some point) and kept the belts while Ryder lost his to Swagger and it appears Bryan may be losing his soon. I think CM Punk better hold on to that picture of all the champions together because it appears as if things are going to get worse for the Internet's Favorite Championship Roster in the future.
Speaking of the Internet, I think it is time that all of you who complain how terrible my column is (yet come read and comment on it every week) find out just what it is like to actually write a column in something that has never been done on 411 and probably never will be done again. Ready for the fun details?
In a couple of weeks, I am going to host the Great Guest Experiment. All of you who think you can do oh so much better than me will have the opportunity to make posts right in the comment thread for the following items:
- Your Smartest and Dumbest things of the week
- Wrestler to Watch, Babe to Watch
- Old School wrestler you want to have profiled who has not already been featured in the section (with a mini biography in the comment section)
- Views on the top news stories and ratings of the week
In return for your generous contributions, things will be tallied up and your winners will be featured in the next week of the Sandwich...but with a twist. You see, the same way you all like to make little comments about the writers in the comment area? The Good/Bad/WTF of the week will be replaced that week by a special table of wrestling writers who will review your work! It will include writers to be named at a later date and myself. The deadline for your submissions and work will be Thursday night by 11:30 PM EST and you will be expected to check grammar and spelling as well as all facts submitted yourselves. If anything is wrong, it gets posted anyway! I'll post the general schedule of when to expect ratings reports as well as other weekly events soon and we'll get this thing underway. Please note that THIS IS NOT TAKING PLACE JUST YET, BUT SOON. I'll alert you when two weeks remains and then post the schedule of ratings releases and such to comment on. The smartest among you will realize that you probably should prepare everything before TNA Impact and then briefly write comments about Impact as well before submitting your completed work in the commentary section.
So for one week, you guys write the Sandwich since you all think you know so much more about wrestling than I do and have such great and wonderful ideas. The wrestling writers you mock so often will be your critics, and everything is reversed just for that week. I think the results will be vastly amusing, so get familiar real fast with Microsoft Word or any other program you wish to use and get cracking! For one, make sure you don't go over the 2800 character limit unless you make it a multi-part comment...yes, 2800 characters is the limit for guests. Post 3 or 4 full boxes to get everything in if you must. Already not sounding so easy right? Too bad.
Oh yeah, and if you do not decide to participate in this I'll just take the entire column to talk about any damn thing I want for that week and it doesn't even have to be about wrestling. This is YOUR CHANCE to show me how smart you really are and how talented all of you really are, and there will be a prize. Whoever has the best material as chosen by the writer panel will get to co-write this column for a forthcoming issue with me! So, prepare well because the time to back up the shit is coming very shortly. Did I mention I'm looking forward to this? Heh heh. Now to the news!
Top Stories of the Week!
1. Weekly Ratings Roundup!
TNA Impact Wrestling - 1.1 rating, 1.6 million viewers - even with last week
WWE Smackdown - 2.1 rating, 3.1 million viewers - up decently from last week
WWE RAW - 3.0, 4.2 million viewers - Up from last week: Hour 1 4.32 million viewers Hour 2 4.28 million viewers
Impact begins the Sandwich ratings week with an even rating from last week, pretty much coming in exactly the same in viewership and ratings. Smackdown saw a nice bounce in ratings up nearly to 2.2 actually, with over 3 million viewers for the first time in some time. RAW also rose, but much less significantly to 3.0 with 4.2 million viewers and as the trend continues the second hour featured less viewers than the first. Most importantly, this is traditionally the time where WWE prepares their build for WrestleMania and usually gets the highest ratings of the year from Jan-April, and unfortunately it isn't off to a good start. McMahon has to be pissed that the second hour keeps dropping no matter what he does.
Ultimately, two weeks ago was a horrible ratings week for wrestling but this past week improved things. The one thing to watch is whether or not RAW goes up from Feb-April or if it remains mostly quagmired in between high 2's and a very low 3 number constantly. Rock already did his return after seven years LAST YEAR, which means the ratings will likely not equal the initial boost he gave WWE in 2011. They need something big to pop the viewers this year, but how do you top The Rock's return? Yeah, thought that might be a problem...
2. TNA Impact Quick Recap
1. Gunner defeated AJ Styles with a DDT ***
2. Crimson defeated Magnus with the Red Sky(Lo-Down) out of nowhere *1/2
3. Steel Cage Match: Mickie James defeated Madison Rayne with the Mickie-D-T ***
4. Angelina Love and Eric Young went to a NO CONTEST when Angelina kicked Young in the yam bag region and things quickly degenerated. DUD
5. #1 Contendership: James Storm and Jeff Hardy went to a NO CONTEST when Bully Ray attacked all the referees and Bobby Roode announced himself the winner. ***1/4
Best Booking of the Week: Knockouts Cage Match
Worst Booking of the Week: Eric Young and Angelina Love, by far!
Three good matches with a dud and a low ranked match give this edition of Impact Wrestling a lesser average score than the matches in the past two weeks, but the Cage Match and the #1 Contendership match were probably enough to salvage the show for most people who keep an open mind. I will say I find the two no contest finishes on a single show a bit much especially when they were one after the other.
The important part, however, is the actual wrestling and the build to each storyline. Outside of Young/ODB and Winter/Love, there really was nothing that shouldn't have been on the show. Roode and Bully Ray continue to dominate the faces, Mickie James finally got her revenge on Madison Rayne, the tag team title situation was advanced with the champions and the challengers through a singles match ending in a beatdown, and Gunner's push continues along with the AJ/Kaz/Daniels storyline. Again, I hope that ends with a three-way ladder match at some point!
Eat your heart out Divas; the Knockouts cage match received 12:22 of the time in this broadcast. That's right, almost twelve and a half minutes for two women to wrestle and they DID IT WELL! Once again, the two things TNA Impact really has going for it are the Knockouts and the X-Division by far. Their main event scene is looking pretty good as well, and we need more tag teams to get a better division going like we had in 2010. Overall, however, a solid showing that was less stellar than the past two weeks but overall still better than RAW or Smackdown!
3. Newsbytes of the Week
- "TNA has announced a list of international TV licensees who recently renewed their TV distribution contracts. Here's the list:
* U.K.'s Challenge TV (Impact, Xplosion, and PPVs) a
* U.K.'s BT Vision (Impact, Greatest Matches, and PPVs)
* Germany's Sky Deutschland (Impact & PPVs)
* Turkey's Beyaz TV (Impact)
* Thailand's GMM Grammy (Impact, Xplosion, and PPVs)
* France's Ma Chaine Sports (Impact & PPVs)
* Middle East's FX (Xplosion)
* Israel's Ego total (Impact & PPVs)
* Australia's Fuel TV (Impact, Xplosion, and Greatest Matches)
* New Zealand's Sky Network (Impact & PPVs)"
TNA also added a brand new deal with Africa recently and this simply gives TNA much more exposure to all of the world markets. A very good decision and hopefully they will be able to capitalize on the wrestling interest that exists around the world and in locations that usually do not get much wrestling outside of anything local.
- "Many backstage in WWE are shaking their heads at Vince McMahon's decision to not allow CM Punk to appear on UFC On FOX on January 28th. The feeling among many is that Punk appearing on a UFC show would create buzz and get people talking about WWE. One person in WWE joked that "Vince seems to have forgotten the reaction to Brock Lesnar and Undertaker staring at each other already." "
And once again, the ego prevents McMahon from doing the right thing. Rumors are that McMahon isn't too pleased with the UFC being so much higher up on the food chain than WWE and doesn't want to give them CM Punk to accompany a fighter because he doesn't understand that in UFC, champions and main event fighters usually coach and accompany the lesser known talents to the ring because, uh, it kind of helps get the audience behind them like a good manager does in wrestling. McMahon sees it as a step down for his precious sports entertainers, and acted stupidly in a situation that he could have capitalized on. Big surprise right?
"Stephanie McMahon shared some details on WWE's writing team in her interview with Entertainment Weekly. She said WWE has 16 writers, plus Vince McMahon, and that Vince always has final say.
"Vince is very open to listening and discussing different ideas, but once he makes his final decision, he's the boss."
"Stephanie McMahon told Entertainment Weekly that she gets a report after each TV show/taping about WWE's social media activity during the show and fan response to it. Here is what she said about a typical Wednesday morning after a Smackdown taping.
"I had to catch up on last night's show, and went back and forth with some of the writers about what worked, what didn't work, what deviated from the script, and why. I also get a Trendrr report about what reactions were like on social networks and the Web." "
"WWE RAW was #4 on the Trendrr.TV chart of most socially active cable TV shows on Monday night. The Republican debate on FOX News was #1, Pretty Little Liars on ABC Family was #2, followed by Love & Hip-Hop on VH1."
OUCH STEPH! I guess that report of your socially active TV shows is not going to include anything you can use in the weekly Did You Know? segment that is gaining less credibility and also less material by the moment, eh?
Sixteen writers. That means sixteen separate visions of what the WWE should be doing and one guy who can squelch even all sixteen people unanimously with one single vote! The majority opinion is likely the one people should be going with, but in this case everybody could pitch an idea and it gets shot down. Now, given that Stephanie McMahon is trying to make Rock vs. Cena like... Edward and Jacob from Twilight, you can tell two things right off the bat: She's a complete twit who is totally out of touch with the WRESTLING WORLD, and she has absolutely no clue what the hell this business is really all about. The day McMahon cedes all control to her and HHH is likely the last day the company makes a single dollar of profit if this is going to be the new direction going on.
The last thing you utilize to focus your company is resort to the IWC on Twitter. You've seen what trends and usually why it trends, and sometimes things trend as a joke or to point out something that is an "epic fail" which means they don't like it, Stephie! If the IWC is 15% of your base audience, why the hell are you catering to them and not the other 85% that will have no clue who those guys are? We listened to the IWC and look what happened with ratings and buyrates dropping as their favorites got championship belts and top-notch feuds! A business should cater to the majority of its customers in order to get the best possible numbers, but apparently Stephanie missed that class in whatever education she received.
Stephanie should study the Republican debate because you can see what makes the Republican base happy by the audience reaction to the answers given. Here's another thing: If you actually have to pump in crowd noise in segments to make it appear people give a damn, it isn't working. I go by what I like to call the "theme factor" in which I try to make out the theme song somebody is coming to the ring with. If I can barely hear it over the roar of the crowd, that's a very good thing. If you can hear an ant fart in the arena during their entrance, they aren't over at all. TNA Impact may have smaller crowds, but they are a LOT more engaged in the action and you can see it, as it makes for a more visually pleasing image to see a thousand or so folks jumping around excited as opposed to ten thousand people literally sitting and staring blankly at a ring. In short, if you see what makes the crowd respond happily... DO IT MORE OFTEN, IDIOT! Ugh.
"Evan Bourne has been suspended for 60 days due to his second violation of the WWE Wellness Policy"
That explains the house show title change and the RAW jobbing. But, uh, interestingly enough before he got added back to the long list of 12-16 month offenders of the Wellness Policy he and Kofi remained champions... and R-Truth, who also was suspended, was suspended after Survivor Series and not beforehand. So I guess the lesson here is that if you are a main eventer or given a top slot on a PPV, you can do whatever the hell you want and pay for it after but if you are just a regular guy, you get slammed immediately. WWE, either follow the policy for all of your performers equally or just give up any pretense of not playing favorites! You can't do both! As usual I hope Bourne gets help and off whatever he's on but I feel no sympathy for a drug addict.
4. Bobby Roode Screwed Again in WOTW
In the WWE dominated bias that is the Wrestler of the Week voting, Bobby Roode once again got hammered right out of the top five in favor of Flash Funk and PN News's love child Brodus Clay and some lesser-known talent. Although Storm and Roode were my top two choices, nobody else really gave them anywhere near the deserved recognition and therefore once again Roode is not set to be anywhere near the top three by WrestleMania time which means another WWE victory.
The only good news that comes out of this is that all of you paid attention to the obvious screwjobs going on and complained loudly. I for one am going to make an official request that certain people who do not watch TNA at all and who constantly vote against them not be allowed to vote in the WOTW until they can contain their obvious biased nature. Until the WOTW section once again reflects a balanced view of ALL companies large and small around the world, just make sure you voice your complaints and e-mail those involved in management level to let them know you are SICK of TNA being treated like shit in the voting and allowing people who hate TNA to have control over who gets an award on the site. This is something, unfortunately, you guys have to do and I can't do more than support you in it 100%, which is exactly what I shall do.
Smartest Thing of the Week: Showcasing The X-Division Beyond In-Ring Skills
When we saw the segment between Austin Aries and Alex Shelley, it wasn't just a segment to build to a new match for Aries with an opponent he hadn't defeated one-on-one. What we actually ended up getting was a good back and forth promo between two guys who can work in the ring and can go on the microphone at the same rate as the main eventers. The simple fact of the matter is that the X-Division is one of the greatest things Impact Wrestling has to lure in new viewers from the fact these guys can wrestle and they can talk up a good battle as well. Similar to how the Knockouts can talk and wrestle as well, the cruiserweight style wrestlers in TNA are capable of holding their own and delivering fantastic matches with very good promos that keep you tuning in for more. It is because of steady segments like this that the Division will continue to get noticed and earn new names and make far more memorable moments, even if people thought it would be dead in a month after last year's angle with Bischoff. How's that working out for you guys? LOL!
Dumbest Thing of the Week: Jack Swagger Gets Buried By John Cena
Just when it appeared that Swagger was finally about to gain some much-needed credibility, it appears as if they went far and beyond the usual methods on RAW to make him and others look like complete fools. Swagger ends up going against the US Champion Zack Ryder, who is injured and not cleared to compete. Despite that it takes Swagger THREE uses of his pinning finishing move, the Gutwrench Powerbomb, to claim a pinfall in what should have been a much easier match for him. As if that wasn't enough, they sent him out again to fight John Cena in a non-title match and Cena just beats the ever loving hell out of him and makes him look like one of the weakest wrestlers on the roster... the only good thing that came out of this was that the bell never rang and it was never considered an actual match. However, when your US champion requires three uses of his finisher to win the title from an injured opponent and then gets beaten unconscious by another wrestler within minutes that pretty much isn't the way to make him look like a credible champion. I almost added the RAW main event to this, but Swagger got hurt a lot more than anybody in that clusterfuck and therefore his treatment gets the nod here.
OLD SCHOOL WRESTLER OF THE WEEK Barry Horowitz
This week we take a look at one of the most famous jobbers of all time, Barry Horowitz, and his impact in the World Wrestling Federation as well as several other companies through his career. You might be surprised to find out that Horowitz himself was able to become a champion, but where? Read on, fair reader.
Barry Horowitz began his wrestling life in college at Florida State University, studying sports nutrition while competing in various wrestling events. He was trained by the great Boris Malenko, Dean Malenko's late father, and put into the Florida independent circuit after an eighteen-month training period. His debut year was 1979, and he competed not only in Florida but also Canada and Puerto Rico as well.
Horowitz joined the Florida Championship Wrestling company as "Jack Hart" and defeated Mike Graham to become the NWA Florida Heavyweight Champion. He would lose it four months later to Kendall Windham, and would remain in FCW for two years while being managed by the future Paul Bearer himself Percy Pringle and Sir Oliver Humperdink. He would add the nickname "Stretcher" and compete in the Memphis territory, in which he'd basically use submission holds to "stretch" his opponents and put them in immense pain. After seeing tapes of his performances, he was brought into the WWF in 1987 with a new gimmick of wearing suspenders and a vest with a handprint on the back for him to pat himself at various times before and during matches, but rarely after!
Horowitz competed as an enhancement talent against a variety of competitors although primarily working as a heel against Jake Roberts, Bret Hart, Don Muraco, and many other current and future stars of the era. In 1990, Horowitz sustained a neck injury and was sidelined for a good ten months which set him back significantly but allowed him to enter the new Global Wrestling Federation in Texas, the same company where Sean Waltman would become famous and eventually get signed as the 1-2-3 Kid due to his work there. Now known as Barry "The Winner" Horowitz, he would actually compete in the light-heavyweight division and win time after time, including a victory over Jerry Lynn to become the GWF Light-Heavyweight Champion, lose the belt, but then win it back before losing it again. He stuck around until the GWF declared bankruptcy in 1992, although also he got his job back in the WWF working as an enhancement talent starting in 1991, and even competed in the 1993 Survivor Series as the Red Knight on Shawn Michaels' team.
In 1995, they finally decided to use Barry Horowitz beyond enhancement capability. At the time, the Bodydonnas were considered a tough heel tag team and Skip was an arrogant member of the group who just so happened to also be dating the gorgeous Sunny behind the scenes. Skip was put into a singles match against Horowitz, and on July 9, 1995 Horowitz actually would pin Skip to the shock of the crowd and Jim Ross, who began screaming, "Horowitz wins!" repeatedly. He would go on to pin Skip again at SummerSlam 1995, and became a lower card talent teaming with the newly face Hakushi and trying to Americanize him as best as possible. Horowitz came to the ring to a reworked version of the Jewish folk song "Hava Nagila" and would even join the Survivor Series again in 1995 in a losing effort along with Hakushi, Marty Jannetty, and Bob Holly to Skip, Rad Radford, Tom Pritchard, and the 1-2-3 Kid. Although he got over decently enough with the fans, he didn't win enough matches to catch any legitimate staying power and the company opted not to renew his contract in 1997, which took Horowitz along with many other stars at the time to WCW.
Horowitz really didn't accomplish anything in WCW, although he was there probably being paid an enormous sum of money for two years before leaving in the year 2000 to return to the independent wrestling scene. Yes, he actually quit WCW and was not fired by them! Horowitz began work as a nutritionist in 2005 and wrestles now and then on various wrestling cards in Florida and the nearby indy circuits. Horowitz was featured in a special article by WWE.COM on October 22, 2008 and even had a song made about him by rapper Action Bronson.
My Memories
Horowitz was never going to actually amount to anything, but he was the prototype for the more average wrestling star rather than the over-the-top muscle-bound powerhouse like a Hulk Hogan or Ultimate Warrior. At the time, Horowitz really stood out as a regular, average person with no special technical skill like Bret Hart had or that flamboyant showmanship that Shawn Michaels was able to use; he was simply a regular guy who tried his best and if he won, he won, but he usually ended up losing. The gimmick was never going to get over big time with anybody, and the WWF probably knew that but didn't care to try and adjust his run one bit.
A while ago on this particular site there was a Hidden Highlights column which used to run various special little kayfabe shout-outs during matches by specific wrestlers just to go above and beyond their duty in the ring. My Hidden Highlight of the Horowitz career was probably the moment I'd term "The Glasses" in which Horowitz was given a copy of a WWF contract to sign as a real competitor for the first time in his life. When he received it, he took out a small glasses case and put the glasses on to read the contract and it stuck in my head because usually, wrestlers at the time big or small were always portrayed as larger than life and better than the average human being. Horowitz using a pair of glasses like anybody else would have put him in a league of his own as just a regular person and sadly, his career went about as well as any regular person's career would go with almost no wins in the entirety of it. Horowitz was the first real attempt at an average joe wrestler with no chance of it succeeding, as everybody these days is a "Superstar" and has all these different moves and fancy techniques to win a match. Horowitz didn't, he was a simple man and he lost more than he won and thus he was more like an average fan than a wrestler, but that didn't resonate one bit with the fans as it might have hit too close to home. Dusty Rhodes might have been a "common man" but he was also around 6'2 and 300 lbs with a knockout elbow and could seemingly absorb endless amounts of punishment. Horowitz was the most realistic average wrestler ever because he *was* just the average wrestler, despite knowing a bit more than most of some good technical maneuvers. His finishers, mostly seen in the GWF, consisted of a bridging Northern Lights Suplex known as the "WinnerPlex" as well as a Texas Cloverleaf, a DDT, and a three-quarter nelson cradle which actually was taught very often in the 1910's and 1920's in catch wrestling training. As anybody who has ever competed in the amateur ranks can tell you, a three-quarter nelson is a legitimately painful move and can roll you up fast for a pinfall. While Horowitz had some good moves, he just didn't have anything special about him that stood out enough to make him a true WWF superstar.
And in a lot of ways, that's what made him special.
Take a look at Barry Horowitz in action, as he steps into the ring against the Blue Blazer during the beginning of Owen's first run in the company. Not only do they have a decent match but also you can see the value of having good commentators like Vince and Jesse there to call the action for you!
Take 5 will not be seen this week because of a special public service announcement that needs to be made.
Do you see that lovely picture up above? That is a sign that could very well appear not only on 411 but also on every website across America and throughout the world if a bill like the Stop Online Piracy Act passes Congress. I'm well aware a Republican brought the bill to the table but the Republicans have bad apples too just like the Democrats. For every Ronald Reagan there is a Lamar Smith, just like for every JFK there is an Anthony Weiner. Putting the partisan matters away for a minute, we need to remember just how important this situation is and how it can effect all of our lives.
Nobody should EVER have the power to regulate the Internet, under any circumstances whatsoever. What happens on the Internet is what happens regardless or perhaps because of everything in the real world that usually drives our thoughts and actions online. All of you who cry for me to get fired or die in the comments section deserve to make those statements because you truly feel that way, just like I'm allowed to make the retorts in the Good/Bad/WTF segment that I want to make because I feel that way. All of us deserve to have a place where we can sit and voice our true opinions without any interference from anybody, especially from politicians who barely even understand much about the Internet and seem to have forgotten that the digital age has already happened and they can't exactly roll back time no matter how powerful they deem themselves.
If legislation like SOPA passes, you might see that lovely picture across sites like Facebook, Google, Twitter, CNBC, FOX Television, ABC, NBC, CBS, CW, YouTube, and so many others. The crime could be a simple link to a site deemed as pirates by Congress and without due process, the site is taken down and anything linking to it is also taken down and a sign similar to that is put in its place. In fact, in a short period of time, that sign will probably be up on over 90% of the Internet sites because we ALL are guilty. You simply can't have a site that is all text because it is boring as hell to most of the Internet, and therefore we rely on pictures and videos to help entertain our readers. What if CBS linked to a site for a contest that had a link to one of those "pirate sites" operating offshore? All three get shut down. What if 411 uses a picture that a fan drew specifically for a 411 contest and then the fan goes to the court and says we used their picture unfairly? 411 goes down without due process and we can get sued for copyright infringement. Hell, I could claim somebody used a picture I used and without verifying it, the site will get shut down in a second. This is not the world I grew up in and I'm sure it isn't the world any of you want to grow up in either.
It is time to tell those Hollywood assholes and those greedy music industry pricks to shove it up their ass. They do not get to dictate to us how we see movies and how we listen to music. Even with the digital changes of $7 MP3 playlists instead of a $17 CD in a store or a $2.99 FIOS movie rental instead of paying $30 for a DVD, they still make hundreds of millions of dollars. In fact, they probably would make even more if they embraced the digital era and the Internet but instead, they don't want to change and it is costing them a lot of support. When the Wednesday SOPA protests took place, just about all the Republicans who had any support or sponsorship on SOPA and/or PIPA withdrew their support immediately. Several Democrats joined them, and as bad as I may view Obama even he refuses to support this legislation.
What can we all do to make sure these bills stay dead with no support? Keep your Congressmen's emails handy in case the discussion starts back up. Make sure you and your friends keep an eye on the headlines. Support anti-censorship measures around the country like the voluntary blackouts we saw on Wednesday. Anybody who supports the idea should lose your vote and your monetary support IMMEDIATELY. Also, if there is a "protest Hollywood" or "protest the music industry" day take part in it and skip giving money to the bastards as long as they continue to be unreasonable. Remember that big fuss about the light bulbs? The Republicans got us until October 1st this year to keep buying regular light bulbs and we may even see the act repealed outright or another extension granted. If both parties unite against SOPA and PIPA and anything like it, they don't stand a chance of advancing anywhere. One day made a world of difference, make sure if it happens again that all of you stand up and protest the way you did Wednesday.
If we don't, we may wake up one day to find that horrible sign on every site that we love and visit daily and letting that legislation get through without doing anything at all to stop it would be on our conscience forever.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled Sandwich. In order to restore our site, we're going to need somebody to overrule the United States government... Oh, wait; I know who can do that.
Thanks Eric! By the power vested in pop culture icons fictional and real alike, we return to the Sandwich!
The Good, The Bad, and The… WTF?
The Good
"Nice stuff Wes!
I could do without the conservative stuff, but whatever floats your boat.
Just a small point about UK TNA/WWE rating.
The claim that TNA only does higher numbers because it's on a more accessible channel is revealing in and of itself.
Why is WWE on a channel that does not get many viewers?
If WWE is so popular why wouldn't a channel that gets more viewers and more ad revenue from having more viewers pick up RAW?
WWE can't even claim that Raw is a relatively new show and are working on getting new viewers. Raw is almost 20 years old...Impact is a baby at 8 1/2.
Posted By: Babaloo (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM"
Babaloo, as usual the answer is MONEY.
WWE wanted to be on a channel that ensured they would have the most revenue coming in in exchange for hours and hours of their programming. They signed the deal but the only time slot available was relatively late at night and therefore, the number of fans who could and WOULD stay up to watch their programming ended up low. In contrast, TNA took a free channel with a popular timeslot so more people could see them at the time most are already watching television. In the end, WWE wanted the money over the extra ratings while TNA is getting the extra ratings and the exposure to further deals down the line. Another brilliant move by the bean counters at the 'E, wouldn't you say?
This was commented on by Ronnie, who is no stranger to the column:
"This is a valid point.
Here's another one:
If TNA only gets more viewers in the UK because it's on a network that gets more viewers then I guess WWE only gets more viewers in the US because it's on a network that gets more viewers.
You have to be consistent.
So if TNA's higher ratings are due solely to being on a more watched network, then wouldn't WWE owes it's numbers to USA?
In 2010 (latest stats I could find in a cursory google search), USA was no. 1 in prime time basic cable ...Spike was no. 20.
Posted By: Ronnie (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 02:29 AM"
Absolutely a valid point when discussing the ratings game. If you are on a poor quality network you can be #1 but it won't mean much of anything since nobody really watches it. TNA requires the brand awareness that can only come with years of experience and a good marketing team that thinks outside the box.
"Wes, I understand your reasoning about just looking at the ratings and comparing but you can't just look at the viewers and go off of that (actually, I guess you could do anything you want). Viewership went up for TNA and down for WWE but that's like saying the Pats went down from 15 wins to 11 and the Bucs went up from 2 wins to 6. Would you say the Bucs had a better year because they increased their record by 4 wins? That's the flaw that I see in your reasoning.
Posted By: The Big Fat F*g (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 07:15 PM
Actually I think the flaw is in your reasoning. If Wes said the Bucs had more wins/TNA higher ratings then you would have a point. But that's not the case.
In business of any stripe, you look at trends as an indication of future performance. I'm not suggesting TNA is poised to surpass WWE anytime soon, but one cannot look at WWE's number and continue to believe that their outlook is what it once was. And TNA for all their problems, from a business standpoint, is consistently moving upward.
Maybe Wes is more strident than you or I would like, but the underlying reality is WWE is sliding backwards and TNA is slowly moving upwards. Based on the trend lines, I think that within 5-10 years TNA will be where WCW was in 1995, pulling even in ratings.
Posted By: Guest#3923 (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM"
You both make some interesting points, so I included both.
TNA does not get higher ratings, but their viewership and ratings overall has increased over the last five years. WWE gets higher ratings, but their viewership and ratings both have decreased over the last five years. Again we're speaking solely at this point about the business behind "the business" and simply put TNA has a better resume on paper at the current time for having advancing ratings rather than declining ones. TNA may have many issues, but the fact they can claim to have gained in viewers and ratings when WWE cannot is a big deal to some networks, and might even be the ultimate reason TNA gets a better deal with a network in the top 10 someday!
"
At this point I am convinced that there is nothing TNA can do to get positive press on this website.
TNA has been really good since September during the finals matches of the BFG series and hasn't done anything stupid and BFG was great with the last few PPVs being good (even though FR and Genesis had bad endings they do fit Roode's character very well). So I'm confused on why people still hate TNA. Hell even Impact is 10Xs better than when most of 2010 and most of 2009. The matches are longer, TNA has been having great main event matches and I have to give Bruce Prichard props as TNA seems to be very cohesive at the moment.
So when people bash Impact every week I'm left wondering why? Is it because it's not the WWE? I just don't get it.
Let me segway into Wes Kirk. While I don't agree with the way Wes goes about everything in his column, I at least appreciate that he's given TNA a fair chance and doesn't go for the automatic TNA bashing literally every other writer on this site goes to (except for maybe Colin Reinhart)
He is like everyone that's on the TNA fan site I go to where he says what he likes, express what he doesn't but doesn't go on a bashing fest when TNA books something the way HE wants it to be booked. I like that.
I also like that he calls out people's bullshit and the guy gets a lot of bullshit on this site. Again I don't see the point in being passive when he gets crpaped on EVERY SINGLE WEEK. At some point I expect and person with a backbone to stand up and say "Hey fuck you this is my opinion column, I also have facts to back up my claims, so put up or shut up"
Now while if this were a political column me and Kirk would probably go back and forth all day over our differing views but as a fellow TNA fan I enjoy your column. Keep doing what no writer on this site does, give TNA a fair chance.
And if you don't think TNA is shitted on on this site understand that in wrestler of the week at least 2 writers don't watch TNA. Or that every year TNA is voted worst promotion off the bat. Or even more illogical that the 10 year old company is graded much, much harder than the 60 year old company that has went through 2 of the biggest booms in wrestling and has currently been on the decline for at least 5 years.
Posted By: Guest#1285 (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 03:02 PM"
You have no idea how bad the anti-TNA sentiment around here really is, but the biggest number of all 1285 is that this column is regularly the top weekend column and, honestly, most weekdays as well. The anti-TNA columns draw far less, and this pro-TNA column draws far more. Why? Variety, my friend. To have more than one viewpoint on things is essential to have balance, and although you will disagree with me FOX News has both conservatives and liberals talking about the same issues while the other stations just have liberals and moderate liberals. FOX is #1 in the ratings, and the Sandwich is #1 in the ratings. Why? Because you get to see my point of view in addition to the usual anti-TNA crap that I try and dissect every week.
Most of the guys who rate the wrestler of the week DO NOT watch TNA regularly and some do not watch it at all and refuse to cover it no matter what. That is why the year-end awards will always have that massive bias because I am one man with one vote, ultimately. This is why the awards sometimes show WWE up on top then on bottom in another category that is similar, sometimes you see indy stars winning over the top two, and you see TNA crapped on endlessly. There is a very eclectic mixture of writers here although most don't care for and/or do not watch TNA on the regular basis like I do.
Unlike most, I do have a backbone and will fight back. How many other people can handle just what I went through in the last 9 months? The fact that I'm right more than I'm wrong makes the haters even angrier. That's how some people do things, they just try and attack the person because they can't attack the facts.
"I don't understand the deal about the Spike TV/low TNA ratings. I am not from North America, but explain one thing to me. When WWE was in TNN/Spike TV, it drew routinely over 3-3.5 even after the Monday Night Wars, so wrestling fans do have access to Spike TV. So how come now all of a sudden "potential wrestling fans don't want Spike TV and hence this is hurting TNA's ratings" things coming up from?
Posted By: Matthew (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 09:27 AM
Some of it is the UK debate. WWE defenders say TNA only beats WWE because it's on a channel that gets more viewers. But if you apply the same logic in the US then WWE only beats TNA because it's on a channel that gets more viewers.
The reality is WWE and TNA benefit/suffer from the networks that broadcast their programs.
I think it's safe to say that WWE and TNA are at a point where they are only getting the hardcore fan who will continue to watch, no matter how good/bad the show, simply out of habit or because wrestling is in the title.
Since WWE is on USA, one of the most watched basic cable channels, one could argue that they have maximized their potential and will only increase viewership with improved programming.
TNA on the other hand is on Spike, one of the lower rated basic cable channels, so it could be argued that being on a network with greater exposure to the casual/lapsed fan, could lead to higher ratings.
It would be fair to say that TNA has much higher potential for growth than WWE, simply because they have not achieved full exposure to the market.
This is purely anecdotal (something more people on this website need to take in to account when spewing "facts"), but in a recent interview, Kevin Nash was relating how during his stint in TNA, people would approach him, assuming he had retired from wrestling.
Now many, including Nash, use this as proof of TNA being shit...but what it really proves is that TNA needs to be focused on brand awareness.
TNA's ratings are not necessarily a sole reflection on the quality of Impact, but rather the lack of brand recognition for TNA.
This is marketing 101...
Posted By: Douchy McDouchebag (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 02:22 PM"
Very good, somebody else on this site took marketing classes!
SpikeTV can claim penetration in 95 million households but the most popular show (Impact Wrestling) is viewed by on average around 1.4 million people every week. USA actually numbers less, but draws higher ratings overall across the board. I'm not the first person to bring up how SpikeTV is actually hurting TNA with the lack of exposure outside of the channel, I'm just noticing that there's a pretty big trend of Spike doing poorly and people not watching any of its programming while USA has many shows that draw well.
I don't claim that if you put TNA on FOX, for example, you will automatically get a 4.0 every week with 5.5 million viewers but just remember when TNA went against WWE and it was advertised for January 4th, 2010 they received a 1.7 hourly rating which remains the record for hourly ratings on Impact. TNA lost in the ratings but with the marketing and publicity mostly generated by Hulk Hogan they drew their highest hourly number, showing that maybe 1.7 might be the MAXIMUM you can draw on Spike. I never see TNA commercials on channels other than Spike except maybe one or two times a year, how about anybody else? Same thing? That's why I say their marketing team needs to be fired and replaced with people who know something about it!
"Nice work Wes, on to my thoughts.
People actually think the Jericho return was awesome? the E-sheep will literally praise anything. Right Brodus? I feel Jericho's return so far has been pointless. What's a major return supposed to be? a major event, an impactful moment and so far Jericho's return hasn't been that. They say it's building to something, really? that sounds like an excuse.
Then we have Brodus, after 3 months of failing to deliver advertised debuts, he finally appears not as a prime monster as he was slated by a bad comedy character. I've even seen E-sheep say we're wrong for hating this shitty idea, WWE is trying something different, this is a good thing, WWE swerved us. Ha. Ha.
But I guarantee if TNA had done either of these concepts, TNA would have been shit on and the general feeling would have been TNA just set wrestling back 10 years. Biased much, people?
WWE Network: I wish WWE would just drop the whole idea, because WHEN this thing fails and it will fail, it's going to give WWE such a black eye it will take years for the stigma to be forgotten. Seriously how long did we have to listen to XFL jokes after that that shit the bed.
Agreed on Mark Henry, not a draw. He's a monster, monsters in general have never been draws. Monsters are built up to be served to the draws.
The thing that bothers me about some Impact reviews lately is that people proclaim giving away PPV rematches the show after a PPV is bad for business. Where was that claim during the Attitude Era when it was done quite often to great ratings success. Oh yeah, it was WWE and it was the most successful period ever. Anyone knocking that move would look like an idiot. Guess what people your still idiots.
Ah Mike Sharpe, my memories of Mike is him never shutting up during his matches :) and his arm brace. I wonder who had the slower healing injury Iron Mike Sharpe or Cowboy Bob Orton?
Ted DiBiase: I'm hoping Junior can gain some momentum in the E I like him. He has a better chance now not that he's not stuck with Cody Rhodes paperbagging him on a weekly basis.
That Dusty Rhodes, hard times promo is a real gem. I've seen it so many times now thanks to the greatest DVD set ever released: Ultimate Ric Flair Collection.
Masison Rayne: hot, talented, and hot. I'd be happy to "watch" her anytime.
Hogan & Sharpe in Japan! Japan was this odd bizzaro world where Hogan actually had work rate. I'd like to suggest the Hogan-Stan Hansen match from Japan. One of the wildest matches I've ever seen. It was like ECW way before ECW.
I'd also suggest a Motor City Machine Guns-American Wolves tag match from indy 2CW that was quite excellent.
PAC is awesome!
The exiting photo was FUCKING DISGUSTING.
Anyway Wes, take care and Kirk Nation stand up!
Posted By: Mister Mike (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 04:59 AM"
Mike the proof is in the ratings that Jericho had an unsuccessful return. The past two weeks he appeared for the first two times since 2010 ratings for the second hour lost over 200,000 viewers. Brodus Clay is considered a massive failure by the average fans and they had to pipe in crowd noise for him on Smackdown. The only thing WWE swerved was the idiot fans that will pay money to McMahon even if he had a turd festering on a toilet bowl for two hours on television because they don't know anything else.
If TNA did it there'd be ten thousand articles about it and all the readers agreeing like the sheep they are. WWE does it, IT'S ORIGINAL AND THEREFORE ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA!
WWE Network is going to cost the WWE a significant amount of money unless they can manage to really get a solid group of subscribers who do not remove the network after a few months. Since they decided to push it back to the fall as they aren't even READY to put the network on, I'm predicting this thing won't last very long because McMahon has the same stubborn mindset as he did when he went through with WBF and XFL and we saw how that turned out. Vince, if OPRAH WINFREY failed at this you are likely going to fail as well!
Exactly the point. Henry is meant to be served up to the top face, not to become the top guy on the roster because he was employed for fifteen years and did nothing of note. So the World Title is a signing bonus if you stick around long enough?
WWE also has tons of rematches of a PPV match the next night. Nobody says a word! TNA does it and they have no idea how to run a business. Odd, the last five years have shown TNA gaining ratings and viewers while WWE has lost both in the last five years so I'm wondering which one really knows how to run a business.
I think the slowest healing rate is in the Orton family after seeing how fragile Randy turned out to be. Sharpe is a close second though!
Dibiase has a chance at being a breakout star and potential main eventer, I can see he has some significant skill but his charisma is a little lacking right now, although he seems to be getting more comfortable away from his father's gimmick. We shall see if things work out for him or not soon enough.
ECW took everything they had from Japan, my friend. It is well documented that ECW stole a lot of concepts and match ideas from Frontier Martial Arts Wrestling, or FMW, which was run by a man who learned about hardcore style wrestling from Jim Cornette after going overseas to America. Hayabusa, who ended up running FMW in the style of hardcore fights from the more over-the-top Southern brawling matches but even worse, was the original and ECW years later would basically not only use the same ideas but even bring in Hayabusa and some of the wrestlers to work matches. Whatever they did, Japan did it first and better.
You know who those two lovely rotund ladies were? The fuel behind the wet dreams of 90% of the people commenting here. The sad fact? They couldn't even date those two porkers if they tried!
The Bad
"This used to be a pretty annoying column, but its turned into one of the most consistantly entertaining self parody pieces on the site. It's so entertaining to watch you get so butthurt and angry and defensive whiel trying to overrate TNA and undercut WWE at every turn. It's pretty hilarious the way you get annoyed at anyone (vultures i think you call them) has an opinion against TNA funny stuff man keep it up.
Oh and if you changed channels during the jericho return, then you are an absolute liar, no one in their rigth mind changed channels, they wanted to see what was going ot happen, if you changed channels its because you wanted to just to spite wwe. it ses alot about wwe that even the biggest wwe hater will watch it, while most people hardly watch tna out of pure disinterest.
Posted By: gooched (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 08:44 AM"
No one in their right mind would switch during Jericho's return? On both his actual return and the week after for the advertised follow-up, ratings dropped by over 200,000 viewers. That's a statistic and on the books whether you like it or not. This is an example of what I'm talking about when you have these people who will just say ANYTHING even if it is completely crap. Speaking of complete crap...
"lol @ Little Wesley totally backing down again.
He's so scared, it's gotten to the point that he's begging 411 Moderators to not even print my comments.
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 02:07 AM"
Ice, did you get in the lead paint chips again this morning? I don't even know who moderates the comments section because it is done for THE ENTIRE SITE, which means every news piece and every opinion column. If I were afraid of you why would I post your comments and make you out to be the idiot you are every single week? You provide me with amusement. I proved you factually wrong on two occasions and look forward to the third, my very unfortunate little dunderhead.
"Hey Wes. The college game was to blame, because it was the college national title game, LSU VS. Alabama. It was a big deal, the biggest college game of the year, and the last of the season. I bet that more people watched that game than the typical Monday Night Football NFL game. So yes, you very much showed your ignorance with that comment, Sir.
Posted By: Andis (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 11:34 AM"
Who gives a crap? WWE will say ANYTHING that beats them is the reason their ratings went down. If everything makes you ratings go down, how good can you possibly be? They blame NFL, they blame college football, they blame this, they blame that, at what point will the WWE head office acknowledge it is their lack of a quality product that makes people tune out week after week with second hour losses? "the game is to blame" is the type of thought process that makes people believe they are just entitled to anything they want and if it goes wrong, it isn't their fault. They should start by looking inward.
The WTF
"We need to keep the government out of our private lives -- unless that means forcing women to have rape babies and outlawing contraception.
God wants us to be free -- that's why he gives us so many instructions on how to keep and punish our slaves.
Protesting Obama for bailing out Wallstreet is Patriotic -- protesting Wall Street makes you a filthy Marxist.
We need to stop all the big government spending -- unless its used to fight endless wars against -- both against foriegn nations and pot-smokers.
Global warming is just a myth propogated by the lamesteam media, there is NO evidence for it.
Tim Tebow threw for 316 yards -- this proves that the bible was written by an invisible man in the sky who will subject you to an eternity in flames if you don't obey him.
Individual states should have the rights and freedoms to deny individuals their rights and freedoms.
Wallstreet didn't create the recession by betting against America -- it was all those "blah people" and their desire to own homes.
MSNBC, PBS, CBS, ABC, BBC, NBC, CNN, C-SPAN, and NPR are all biased against me.
Posted By: REAL conservative (Guest) on January 14, 2012 at 11:39 AM"
Nice attempt at being a conservative, but you really have it all wrong.
I agree that women should be allowed to abort babies born out of rape or incest or if the child's birth endangers the life of one or both. Girls who just want to party at age 16 and don't want a kid shouldn't have had sex in the first place because it is about personal responsibility.
The Bible is not a manual for slavery. We are taught that whatever we do for the LEAST of our brethren we do for Jesus. I'd say most of the people on this site are the LEAST of any brethren. Seriously now, slaves?
Wall Street is all about the idea that if you are successful you get rewarded; if you fail you lose everything. That is how the real world works in capitalism. I don't agree with the bailouts, I do not agree with "too big to fail", and if Obama really had a spine he'd not have bailed out anybody on Wall Street since he seems to agree with his law-breaking friends the Occupy movement.
If we don't stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb (which is only invented for one reason: To use on somebody else in an act of war) either Israel or the US will probably be hit by one. You want to die that way because you wanted to protect the rights of a violent administration hell-bent on sending all of us to die because we're free Americans? People can smoke pot all they want, if they get caught they go to jail.
There really is no evidence for global warming, which is a gigantic myth perpetrated by climate change idiots who have conspired to prevent actual research and stop the publishing of counter-claims of a natural climate cycle, which makes more sense. See ClimateGate and the recent ClimateGate 2.0 for proof of that.
Tim Tebow is a great man, with values everybody should follow. However, Tom Brady is a great quarterback. Tim Tebow has class, but Tom Brady has style. That's why style wins, because nice guys finish last. And you only go to hell if you aren't sorry for the sins you commit, you should read more.
It isn't a freedom to be able to do drugs or commit prostitution in your own house. That's just unlawful period.
People don't get to own a house because they want one. If you are too stupid to handle the paperwork and the procedures, you shouldn't own a home. This country guarantees you certain things at birth and opportunities, as you get older, that's all that there should be. If you fail, it is your fault and you can live with an apartment instead of a house. Living beyond your means is the real reason people fell into this mess.
Yeah, how are the ratings for all those companies doing against FOX again? Oh, sorry, didn't want to put salt in the wound too deeply there.
Hey here's a list for a "real liberal" too:
- Promoting diversity is the right thing to do, even if we have to force schools and businesses to take in people of a certain ethnic background regardless of ability after the evil Republicans stopped people from being hired of a certain ethnic background regardless of ability.
- If you can't attack the argument a person puts up with facts, just call him every name in the book and a few that didn't make it in. If he does the same, cry "racist!"
- Slavery is all the fault of the Republican party, even though they actually were the only party to protect African-Americans and ended slavery under their first President Abraham Lincoln.
- Running places like California with our methods got us bankrupt, but it is the fault of the very society we bash and trash every single day to provide us with money all the time for anything we want because we live here.
- We believe 1% of the entire population of this country has the power to control 99% of the country and it is perfectly acceptable to try and dictate how that 1% of the country should live the way we accuse them of dictating how the 99% of people in this country live.
- Global warming exists because we say it does, and if you challenge us we'll show our facts and figures by having you banned from publishing anything against our theory or discredit you as a human being instead of fighting the facts.
- Even though solar and wind have been proven abysmal failures, the government owes it to us to keep funding it despite the fact it has been proven an abysmal failure.
- Electric cars are way better than gas cars even if electric cars catch on fire and end up using gas just as much as a regular car.
- Our style of government has been used for 500 years and failed in every single case, which is why America needs to become socialist to prove the last 500 years was just a big fluke.
WWE is the best wrestling company in the world. WWE has the best of both world, its PG for the kids but is still edgy for the adults. and WWE got two of the best all around wrestlers in the world, Jericho and cm punk. cant wait for jericho to turn heel..
Posted By: ShadowMaster258 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:01 AM
WWE actually cares about their future unlike TNA..
Posted By: bOURNE2rULE (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:02 AM
wes kirk is the worst troll money can buy.
Posted By: TysonKfan420 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:03 AM
TNA = Retirement home wrestling and the video of hogan calling out Sting for TNA impact wrestling proves it.
Posted By: Guest#0113 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM
online piracy is the reason WWE dont do big time PPV buys and ratings like in the past.. so they support Sopa and i am sure TNA aren't idiots and supports sopa too but they weren't named in the story cause TNA isn't a major company.
Posted By: BestGueston411Mania (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:05 AM
alberto, christian, morrison, Taker, ect will all return in the WWE royal rumble match.
Posted By: Guest#3842 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Finally, you say something I agree with, although it has little to do with wrestling. SOPA and PIPA were attempts by those in government (Democrat and Repulican) to serve their corporate masters, particularly those in the entertainment industry to censor the net if it means cracking down on privacy. Fortunately, thanks to the publicity they backed down, although I think it has less to do with outrage from those who use the Internet than pressure put to bear by the ISP and website providers who would themselves become targets of the law.
One of the more gratifying things I've seen in the last year is that people in America and around the world are waking up and finding their voice again. Instead of just letting government and corporations run roughshod over them, they are protesting and trying to enact change. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. Netflix made perhaps the worst business decision since New Coke, and was forced to back down due to customer outrage. The banks tried to charge customers money if they had the nerve to actually use their debit card. And of course, we've seen the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements trying to protest things are they currently are. I'm very gratified that the spirit of protest and rebellion has not been completely squashed in America.
Let's hope this continues on, and that it translates into real action, particularly when it comes to the next round of elections. If you don't like what Congress is doing--don't complain about it--vote out your congressmen. Members of the House get re-elected 95% of the time when they run for office, even when people complain about Congress as an institution. It's time to do something about it. If you don't like your representatives--"throw the bums out." But above all, participate.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:17 AM
"But I feel no sympathy for a drug addict."
God you're a fucking idiot.
Posted By: Erik... (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM
DAMN, do you ever have a bad writing day? another great column...
thanks...
and i hope you can make the wrestler of the week/year section fair...
ive tried caring about it, but theirs so much bias, its a great idea the should be excited fair and with out bias...
some writers either don't watch or don't like tna and other promotions...
they should be disqualified from voting!
only open minded wrestling fans should vote, the ones that can look past their favorites and give credit to who really deserves it no matter what company their in & no matter who their favorite wrestler is!
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and i know i keep asking but please, can you or anyone else on 411 either bring back tna instant analysis, or even make a new column impact analysis, that could be released a day late with the impact ratings?
I just want fair coverage for all promotions, with fair breakdowns!
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ive been a wrestling fan for over 14 years & ive enjoyed many different companies and many different styles for better or worse...
ive seen a lot of good and bad wrestling through the years, but one thing never changes, IM A WRESTLING FAN!
i care about wrestling!! great matches, great characters, great wrestlers, etc...
im not consumed with which company they work for, how many fans they have, what their ppv buy rates are, what their ratings are!!!
that's meaningless from a fans stand point!
people on 411 act like they have stock in wwe or help manage it...
no your just fans and bragging about their success doesn't mean they have better talent/matches, it just means their the popular choice, it means they've been doing it longer and are more experienced...
the best talent, is spread through many promotions and matches happen can happen any where, in any country, in front of any crowd, no matter how full or how large a arena is!!!
Posted By: Guest#4208 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:51 AM
...People say TNA doesn't make any fucking sense? And WWE wonders why their ratings are down? Let's break the main event down really quickly. Why is David Otunga in the six-man match in the first place against Jericho when Jericho seemed so chummy with Laurinitis when he came to his office? I can understand holding off on Jericho attacking Punk until after the Royal Rumble, but he just does nothing again? Couldn't he at least have hit a few moves and then left after the crowd started a chant for him? I just don't understand some of the logic around here, since the match ended with a guy not even in the match pinning the GM's lawyer. If TNA put this same type of match on Impact you people would shit all over it and don't lie and say it isn't true! As far as RAW goes, Epico and Primo got their signing bonus of the WWE Tag Titles (everybody seems to get the title at some point) and kept the belts while Ryder lost his to Swagger and it appears Bryan may be losing his soon. I think CM Punk better hold on to that picture of all the champions together because it appears as if things are going to get worse for the Internet's Favorite Championship Roster in the future. ----
Obviously your not understanding what he's doing. He's purposely NOT giving the people what they want! People wanna hear him talk do he doesn't. They want to see him wrestle and he just smiles with a "yeah!" and leaves. He won't give the people what they want and it's pissing them off.
Posted By: Guest#2317 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:54 AM
ugh, why do i read wes kirk articles. he clearly is playing the michael cole of 411mania role. as he annoys and trolls people who reads his stuff. and CM punk didn't go to the UFC event cause he was needed somewhere else.
Posted By: TheSurge (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:00 AM
ECW the joke of the wrestling world that is only popular because of one DVD full of lies and one overrated PPV with boring short matches.
Fact is not only did Paul E steal from FMW he also stole from Florida Wrestling and some of Kevin Sullivan stuff just cranked it to the XTREME!!!!!
But let's be real ECW was mostly a bunch of guys who couldn't wrestle so they had to do garbage matches while botching 75% of their moves.
ECW frankly was unwatchable and if it weren't for testosterone driven teens and WWE marketing it wouldn't be shit.
There was a reason TNN didn't want ECW because it sucked.
ECW stands as the most overrated promotion ever.
Posted By: Guest#7881 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:01 AM
we hate TNA. Boycott TNA.
Posted By: Guest#9302 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:10 AM
"This portion of the intro I am writing after RAW and I have to say it was a pretty poor event tonight."
Thats a good way to start a column. Always so freaking negative bro. Lighten the fuck up man. Its gettin old. Been old bro. Your column is like shitty coke. Its terrible but you can't keep doing it.
Posted By: Tommy (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:14 AM
I like the part where Wes actually believes he's ever proven me wrong about anything when I've exposed how little he truly knows about wrestling at least thrice.
Remember when Little Wesley couldn't figure out who raised the KotR '99 briefcase?
Also LOL @ you not calling Mizark a draw when he pulled better ratings than iMPACT! was getting.
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Dude seriously you are a paranoid "non-fan". "If TNA did the same match you'd shit all over it and dont say you wont because you know you would!" Yep, paranoid. If you cannot tell the difference between trolls and people voicing their opinions, then you should not have a blog.
And you're not a real fan cause all you seem to flap your gums about is ratings this and that. Real fans don;t care about ratings, plain and simple.
Posted By: WetOREO (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:43 AM
I like this Wes fella. Wes, you have a cool persona on this column and whole 411 website. You're like me when I'm watching NFL football with my friends; rooting for the underdog just to get a rise out of people and playing it just coy enough to make it outrageously believable. I'm digging it, keep it up!
Posted By: that guuuuy (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:01 AM
I think I get what you're trying to do with your upcoming guest sandwich. I get that every week your column in inundated with criticism and that you want to turn the table on your tormentors.
But I'm not sure exactly what your expecting the result to be.
It's one thing if anybody in your comment section had shown that they were truly capable of writing a coherent, thoughtful, 2800 character+ opinion piece...but they don't exist here.
Much of what I see is the typical one or two sentence nonsense that is found throughout 411. And if somebody actually manages a complete paragraph it's usually riddled with spelling and grammar errors, not to mention the ramblings of their disorganized and cluttered minds.
What I suspect you will find is that the brave few who willingly take your challenge are not brave at all, rather they are foolhardy.
These are the types of people who call into talk radio shows and believe themselves to be intelligent, when in fact they are delusional.
Much of what I see in the 411 comment section is filled with the pseudo-bravado most commonly associated with the internet.
The reason they are so quick to spew bile is that they can do so from the safety of a keyboard, shielded from retribution by the anonymity provided by the ridiculous alias they type above their comments.
The Sandwich is one of the last bastions of intelligent thought here on 411.
Csonka is to busy being in love with the sound of his own voice on 411 blogtalk to notice how far 411 has fallen. The veterans are complacent and boring, while newer columnists like DeMarco are just sad, sexist gimmicks.
I will defend Aaron Frame. He is intellectually honest and the only columnist other than yourself that I read regularly...but that is it.
I do not want to see you devote anymore time to the borderline personalities who leave comments than you already do with the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, which I personally believe is far too much as it is.
You are only encouraging these small minded and short sighted mouthbreathers to continue to write.
Clearly if they had the ability to string more than a handful of sentences together, they would have already applied to write a column, only to be rejected.
Csonka- in one of his few moments of clarity- had the good sense to never publish their nonsensical drivel.
But your only going to encourage them with this challenge and letting them think they could actually be a writer. These people need to learn to accept the mediocrity of their lives. They should not be encouraged to share the inner-working of their tiny minds with anybody.
I can appreciate that your continuing to be innovative but you have to realize that by challenging them, you are doing the journalistic equivalent of challenging a retarded kid to a fight.
Posted By: WWE IS SHIT...BUT FRAME IS OK (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:03 AM
Bravo for opposing SOPA and PIPA and it is damn good to see they are both almost dead. Also damn good to see that people do still have power in this country if enough of them agree on something. Still, with the amount of money in politics, we will have to keep an eye out to make sure the flawed ideas in these bills don't reappear. Also, I find it quite depressing that these terrible ideas were the ideas that could get bipartisan support in Washington. At least until the voice of the people shouted down the stupidity.
Posted By: gpjunk (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:20 AM
Babaloo, as usual the answer is MONEY.
WWE wanted to be on a channel that ensured they would have the most revenue coming in in exchange for hours and hours of their programming. They signed the deal but the only time slot available was relatively late at night and therefore, the number of fans who could and WOULD stay up to watch their programming ended up low. In contrast, TNA took a free channel with a popular timeslot so more people could see them at the time most are already watching television. In the end, WWE wanted the money over the extra ratings while TNA is getting the extra ratings and the exposure to further deals down the line. Another brilliant move by the bean counters at the 'E, wouldn't you say?
This was commented on by Ronnie, who is no stranger to the column:
This is absolute garbage as per usual and just so you know, the reason that WWE Raw is on at a late hour you numb nuts is because it is in the UK, therefore when they show raw LIVE it means that a 9pm USA show would be on at 2am uk time. The same for the ppv shows they put on free back in the UK.
Smackdown is shown much earlier than Raw would be because, as in America, it is not live, so Skysports can put it on at any time really. I think sky 1 also shows the shows but later in the week so they can show it for kids and censor any of the more adult content.
AND one of the other reasons that WWE signed with SkySports in the UK was the fact that through them/Sky TV, the E could also put whatever they wanted on the PPV channels. If WWE had say signed with the mickey mouse channel TNA did (no other channel would pay them any money at the time although they might now given 100,000ish isnt too bad viewers wise) is that they wouldnt get a fraction of the money they would now through general tv deals and also the PPV money.
Posted By: mozza1974 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:59 AM
Holy crap Wes, you just don't get it, do you?
"WWE wanted to be on a channel that ensured they would have the most revenue coming in in exchange for hours and hours of their programming. They signed the deal but the only time slot available was relatively late at night and therefore, the number of fans who could and WOULD stay up to watch their programming ended up low"
The late time slot is because it's ON LIVE. It used to be shown on tape delay a few days later but there was enough demand to show it live AS WELL AS OTHER SHOWINGS. There's no "only slot available" nonsense. And it's fair to say that most viewers will tape the live feed and watch it t their convenience, as later showings are subject to editing and additional ad breaks, plus the results are all over the net anyway.
In addition, in the UK final viewing figures aren't available for around 2 - 3 weeks so you're using the equivalent of "overnight" figures. These don't factor in time shifting.
Oh, and as for TNA "choosing" a free channel? They're only on Challenge because their original channel was shut down as no-one was watching. And Challenge is also owned by Sky.
Hope this helps. You mad, "bro"?
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 04:04 AM
Global warming exists because it is happening. The science is in. It's settled. It's only anti-science, anti-evidence, "god will fix it" fools who deny it.
Let me guess, Kirkie - you probably don't accept the theory of evolution either?
Posted By: Guest#9557 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 04:40 AM
I don't expect many people to bother with your silly writing challenge. Most of us have better things to do than write 2000 words on Barry Horowitz.
Posted By: Guest#6618 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 04:42 AM
Wes, sometimes you make some really good points. I'm in the UK and agree with your reasoning about why WWE is not getting good ratings. However, your stuff about having a backbone and Fox news and your conservative stuff (and seemingly not noticing that Fox news was sent by the devil to shit in your head) is just obnoxious. Maybe the reason that people crap all over you every week is that you don't come across as a particularly pleasant human being. Just a thought.
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 05:15 AM
WWE wanted to be on a channel that ensured they would have the most revenue coming in in exchange for hours and hours of their programming. They signed the deal but the only time slot available was relatively late at night and therefore, the number of fans who could and WOULD stay up to watch their programming ended up low. In contrast, TNA took a free channel with a popular timeslot so more people could see them at the time most are already watching television. In the end, WWE wanted the money over the extra ratings while TNA is getting the extra ratings and the exposure to further deals down the line. Another brilliant move by the bean counters at the 'E, wouldn't you say?
No Wes they didnt pick that time slot it's just the LIVE broadcast. The real problem is that you only take into account this broadcast when Raw is shown 5 times a week in its entirety on sky sports as well as all the recap shows like bottom line. WWE is definitely the most viewed and well known promotion here in the UK
Posted By: BDABEE (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 09:53 AM
Has anyone taken into account that maybe the reason the 2nd hour ratings for Raw keep dropping is because... oh idk, that the WWE target demographic is youngsters who aren't aloud to stay up until 11 watching said product... Just sayin', Duh...
Posted By: Hippo Dream (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Swagger will be fine! Punk got "buried" by an super-pissed Cena in around 3 to 4 minutes a few years ago and he turned out okay.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM
I see that you ignored by comment from last week. Probably cause you know you are a liar.
I was hoping that Wes would give an explanation behind the John Cena/CM Punk match from Money in the Bank. He rated it 3 3/4 or something on that Match of the WWE and then in the year end column he mentioned he recently just watched the match. Basically Wes is a liar just like the WWE.
Posted By: Guest#0324 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM
why the hell would i want to write a wrestling sandwich column. i have a life unlike you.
Posted By: Guest#5968 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Take my challenge you wesley and me in a slap fest
Posted By: ice Dagger (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Listening to a Wrestling Observer podcast a while back with Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez, Meltzer brought up a concept that I never thought up before and he kicked it old-school for me (he brought me back to my childhood). Meltzer said that the WWE Creative Team could learn a lesson from Popeye the Sailor Man. What lesson could the Creative learn? Booking logic.
The booking logic Dave Meltzer was talking about was how in each episode of Popeye, the bad guys would come in and take Olive Oyl (Popeye’s lady friend) and in the end, the bad guys would get what’s coming to them and Popeye would come out on top.
Meltzer said that at the end of every show (or pay-per-view) the babyfaces always have to come out on top, that at the end of every feud, the babyfaces should come out on top and the heels should get what’s coming to them. WWE Creative these days don’t make sense. When the storylines don’t make sense, then they’re lacking logic. When the WWE is lacking logic, then I’m gone from watching their product. And I’ve been a fan since I can remember.
Let’s look at one of the WWE storylines that interest me (and shouldn’t come as a surprise that I’m writing about it) and that’s the return of Chris Jericho. Seems like people are split about his return (as of me writing this, and this is after the third Monday he’s back). Either people hate it (in part of because he isn’t talking) or people love it (because he isn’t talking). Jericho is an admitted old-school performer when it comes to the squared-circle and wants everything he does to come as a surprise, and I agree with him. I don’t want to know his storylines or his returns until it happens. I guess to catch myself from a rant; the element of surprise is gone from this business.
How does the element of surprise and logic tie in together?
Easy. Most wrestling surprises are tied in with logic by that no one expected it to happen. Look at WWE Survivor Series 1998 when the Rock and Mankind did a double turn (Rock went from face to heel and Mankind went from heel to face) in a matter of the PPV card (and when the Rock hit the sharpshooter on Mankind and McMahon ran the bell). That came as a surprise to everyone. And looking at it, for the whole card and even the build-up to the card, everything that happened made sense. It had logic tied in with it.
I’m not trying to get at with this piece is that the good ole days were better than now. Well, in my opinion, it was. But lessons can be learned from the past on what worked and what didn’t work. There were a lot of things that didn’t work back when I thought wrestling was at its best. To end, I believe the Creative Team of the WWE could learn a lot from such simple shows like Popeye the Sailor Man. The babyface gets out on top in the end and the heel loses
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM
troll columnist
Posted By: swamp (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Wes, I appreciate the fact that you take the stand to support TNA. It is constantly the most exciting promotion on television today. I for one agree that it's time to remove guys like Byers who won't give guys like Storm and Roode their deserved credit.
I just want to know who is their head of marketing here in the US because they are doing a poor job of branding TNA's extraordinary talent. You mean to tell me they can't market guys like Styles and Shelley to the kids, Storm to the common fan, and Pope to the black audience?
Posted By: JR (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM
alberto, christian, morrison, Taker, ect will all return in the WWE royal rumble match.
Posted By: Guest#3842 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:08 AM
1.No
2.Who is etc?
Posted By: Guest#6147 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Wes, while I agree with you that it was a bad thing for Vince to pull Punk from being in the corner of Chael Sonnen at the UFC event, can we really be that surprised by them doing this? I mean, there's always this talk about the WWE and UFC having this relationship but let's be honest here. If you're a UFC fan, even with their event next weekend being on regular tv, how likely are you to watch the Royal Rumble the next night on PPV just because Punk is there? I mean, as a WWE fan, I could care less whether or not Punk shows up at a UFC event. WWE promotes their events well enough that they don't really need to go to their competition to promote it.
And by the way, I liked how you disagreed with the commenter who mentioned how the national title game kept RAW's rating from being higher than it could have been. Monday Night Football and the national championship football game (which this year happened to fall on a Monday) are legitimate reasons for the RAW rating not being as high as it could. Now I'll admit that the product isn't as good as it has been in the past. But people have more options of things to watch now than they did in the past. And Wes, let me ask you an honest question. How do you think that TNA would do if it had to go up against what WWE did on Monday nights? What competition does TNA really have right now on Thursday nights in terms of programs that would give them legitimate competition in comparison to the WWE? Before you give the WWE grief about their ratings not being that high, you have to remember the type of competition they'll be going up against for roughly half the year. Would TNA's ratings be anywhere near where they are at now if they had to face the competition that the WWE had to?
Posted By: The Hodge (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM
I actually enjoy your column immensely. It's a nice break from the general snarkiness, and it's nice to read something that isn't just "TNA sucks it will never be WWE they should just die they have old wrestlers lol wut".
On WWE's last PPV, TLC, we were treated to young lions such as:
Triple H, age 43.
Kevin Nash, age 53.
Booker T, age 47.
Big Show, age 40.
Mark Henry, age 41.
Coming up at the Royal Rumble, we'll again "get" to see Mark Henry and Big Show lumber around.
We'll also get Kane, age 45.
R-Truth, age 40.
We'll likely see Mick Foley, age 47.
Odds are good we'll see Triple H again.
Soon, 47 year old Undertaker will return.
42 year old Chris Jericho is a featured character right now.
TNA's over 40 roster?
Christopher Daniels, at age 41.
D-Von, at age 40.
Bully Ray, at age 41.
Kid Kash, age 43.
Rob Van Dam, age 42.
Kurt Angle, age 44.
Angle is still one of the 3 best wrestlers in the world. The rest of that list is relegated almost entirely to midcard angles at best. The people that the 'net gripes about - Hogan, Flair, Sting - are rarely in the ring at all, and it's always against each other. Flair is a mouthpiece for Gunner. Sting is the "GM". Jarrett is off television for who knows how long. Hogan comes and goes.
TNA is a MUCH younger company than WWE. They're also positioning themselves globally to be very successful worldwide. Do they do everything right? No. They botch a lot of booking. So does WWE. Nature of the business.
Bischoff said in his book (written under the WWE label, by the way) that people have a tendency to dislike the WWE for their position as #1 but absolutely HATE anything that isn't WWE.
For a promotion that was doomed to fail from the word go, the last 10 years have been really good to TNA.
You're also entirely correct about the bias against TNA on the site. The idea that someone from Chikara or Jersey All Pro or another indy fed did something more important than what's going on in TNA or WWE is absurd.
I honestly don't care if you're just trolling at this point - it's fun to read.
Posted By: DaFranchise (Registered) on January 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Oh Wes, I figured you'd come back with the "Lincoln was a republican and he freed the slaves" line of BS.
Well you're right, Lincoln DID free the slaves. Why? Because all those pious Southern Christians somehow MISSED the part of the bible that mentioned the least of "their bretheren". The notion of freedom had to be forced upon them at gunpoint.
What happened as a result? The South switched to voting for Democrats solidly for the next 100 years until -- wait for it -- Johnson signed Civil Rights legislation into law! At which point the South switched party affiliation yet again! Now, if you want to argue that all those good white Christian Southerners who were opposing the federal government coming in and FORCING freedom upon them were liberals, I'll gladly listen, and chuckle.
But you're right, there is no proof of global warming. Certainly all those billions of tons of pollution we pump into the atmosphere simply go away? Right? Maybe to a mystical, magical place that doesn't really exist -- like heaven?
Of course we have to stop Iran from building a nuclear weapon, since it is obvious that they are trying to build one, right? I mean, just because they've been working obtaining nuclear power for over a decade and yet STILL haven't developed a weapon, whereas Pakistan did it in half the time. Ok, so maybe Iran doesn't have their own version of A.Q. Khan? Well we can certainly afford to borrow MORE money from China for the sake of protecting Israel -- who has done what for us exactly? Oh, I remember, some carpenter supposedly lived there once! Right, good reason! The same guy who told us that we had to follow the laws of the Old Testament -- which proscribes repeatedly how we may buy, sell, beat, kill, and have sex with our slaves! Good ol' Christian family values!
Having said that -- I agree with you about affirmative action, and California, and electric cars. I just yearn for the days of country-club Republicans.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM
I love Rush Limbaugh
Posted By: The Hodge (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:17 PM
Accept my challenge wesley....
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:20 PM
I do like your column and I read it most weeks. I have never commented before but I have to say you come across as a bit of a dick in that first section - allowing yourself to be trolled by a few comments in the comments box?! Its a bit like a tv host or a footballer throwing their toys out the pram and going "BOO HOO RIGHT IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER THEN YOU DO IT NEXT WEEK HAHA THAT SHOWED YOU!!!!". Rise above it mate. Get one of Cena's shirts :)
Posted By: Guest#6440 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 01:31 PM
wes you are not chingy, you can't hang
Posted By: Guest#1284 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:59 PM
RE: WWE vs TNA in the UK
I am not in anyway suggesting to know or understand the intricacies of the UK TV industry. I'm from the states and I accept that there are many people here in the comment section who understand British television much better than I do.
But here's what I've been able to gather from those who know more than I:
TNA gets a higher rating than Raw in the UK because it is on a channel that is available in more homes.
I was merely pointing out that a correlation could be made here in the States regarding USA's total viewership in comparison to Spike's.
Now many are suggesting that Raw is shown at a late hour in the UK in order to be live and that contributes to the low ratings.
I can appreciate that, but if more people watch a canned episode of Impact than a live episode of Raw, then that should make it abundantly clear to WWE that it would be better to show a taped Raw on Tuesday night rather than a live episode on Tuesday morning.
Besides, it should be noted that Nitro forced Raw to go live and at this point with no head-to-head competition, the live broadcast is not as necessary as it once was. I know people decry "spoilers" but I can find out the what happens on most TV shows and movies if I were so inclined...but I'd rather watch myself. When people blame spoilers for low ratings or bad box office it's grasping at straws.
I don't know if it's some people's intent just to argue with Wes, but I think you might be arguing past each other at this point.
If I owned a wrestling company and decided to produce a show that would run in Britain, I would follow TNA's strategy in the UK. After all, historically speaking, TV is just an infomercial to get fans to open their wallets. And before people attack TNA for not getting the wallets open, you should stop and realize that in the big picture, TNA as a company is still in it's infancy. Some patience is in order.
I'm not saying TNA is bigger or better than WWE. I'm not saying TNA is awesome and WWE sucks. In fact, I'm just trying to open a civil discussion.
But I do respectfully believe that the TNA does higher ratings in the UK deniers are so obstinate in your refusal to give either TNA a modicum of credit or acknowledge that Wes has a legitimate point, that you choose to make a litany of excuses rather than simple acknowledge a reality...
Which is that Impact beats Raw in the UK.
Posted By: Ronnie (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 03:25 PM
I was hoping that Wes would give an explanation behind the John Cena/CM Punk match from Money in the Bank. He rated it 3 3/4 or something on that Match of the WWE and then in the year end column he mentioned he recently just watched the match. Basically Wes is a liar
Posted By: Guest#0324 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM
EXPOSED!
Posted By: curler (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 03:27 PM
You do not know about wrestling I am the man Wesley.
Posted By: ice Dagger (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 03:55 PM
I’m not trying to get at with this piece is that the good ole days were better than now. Well, in my opinion, it was. But lessons can be learned from the past on what worked and what didn’t work. There were a lot of things that didn’t work back when I thought wrestling was at its best. To end, I believe the Creative Team of the WWE could learn a lot from such simple shows like Popeye the Sailor Man. The babyface gets out on top in the end and the heel loses
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM
With all do respect, this is an oversimplification from the minds of people raised on WWE in the 80's.
It fails to recognize that often the money is in the chase so to speak. And before anybody goes into WWE stockholder mode, I'm not saying you make more cash with a heel champ...just that it's an equally great story template as the superman babyface champ.
Sometimes having a dastardly villain run roughshod or escape constantly makes the payoff when a hero finally emerges to beat the heel a much better story.
And if the babyfaces always come out on top then you will need to create a factory somewhere to generate heels because if "generic bad guy A" always loses....eventually the audience will drift away. (John Cena...anybody, anybody).
The Rock/Mankind example actually disproves your argument. The heel came out on top that night.
But you're right that it was an awesome time for wrestling because Vince was under pressure. The safe play would have been to leave Rock a babyface. Sure it would have left somebody else to fight SCSA...but not turning Rock was the safety choice. Safety is why John Cena is only starting to turn heel now...when he should have done it at least 2 years ago.
Posted By: Douchy McDouchebag (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 04:19 PM
Nice idea, if i were one of the writers on here who constantly have to deal with irrational criticism, i'd probably use this opportunity to shit on every entry.
Posted By: Hercules Strongs (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 04:33 PM
Your political views encapsulate the stereotype of the idiot wrestling fan.
Posted By: Andrew (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 05:15 PM
As for your male and female SLAVES whom you may have: you may buy male and female SLAVES from the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness.
Posted By: Leviticus 25:44-46 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 06:03 PM
"Laurinitis claimed he didn't know about Ryder not being cleared even though Ryder said it in the hallway with Eve. After finding out he wasn't cleared, he didn't change the result like he did with Bryan/Henry but instead let the decision stand..."
Teddy Long was the one who reversed the Bryan/Henry decision, not Johnny Ace. Besides that, good column.
Posted By: Guest#9705 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 08:05 PM
The X Division is a pathetic shell of what it once was. It peaked six years ago when the bookers just let them wrestle instead of spending time worrying about personality.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 08:59 PM
You know SOPA is evil when it offends even Wes Kirk. SOPA is out to make China's censorship of the internet a joke. The America of 13 years ago would have laughed at the america of today if it wasn't so heartbreakingly sad.
Posted By: Guest#0854 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM
Wes, I only brought up the comment about the LSU-Alabama game because you claimed that there wasn't an NFL game taking place.
Posted By: Andis (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Correction. You claimed that there wasn't an NFL game to garner huge ratings. The national championship game is a bigger deal than the average MNF game.
Posted By: Andis (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 11:13 PM
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt faithlessly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, her marital rights. And if he does not do these things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
Posted By: Exodus 21:7 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 12:00 AM
the hodge(dork) is hiding behind a different name(Douchy McDouchebag) , same crappy arguments that make no sense. What a dumb^&*$
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 12:51 AM
Wes Kirk is the biggest expert on wrestling ever!
It's why he still doesn't know where his master "Ice Dagger" gets his nickname from!
*verbal blowjob*
Posted By: WWE IS SHIT...BUT FRAME IS OK (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 02:03 AM
You really need a life, buddy.
Posted By: Guest#0085 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 01:14 AM
lol @ Little Wesley "challenging" his numerous detractors to write a column.
It's almost as if the endless criticism is finally getting to him.
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 01:15 AM
People that talk about the Republican party from over a hundred years ago without fitting in actual historical context of platform and party affiliation switching...are fucking morons who should never ever speak. Wes, we're looking at you.
Posted By: Oh My! (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 02:54 AM
As for your male and female SLAVES whom you may have: you may buy male and female SLAVES from the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever; you may make slaves of them, but over your brethren the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another, with harshness.
Posted By: Leviticus 25:44-46 (Guest) on January 21, 2012 at 06:03 PM
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt faithlessly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, her marital rights. And if he does not do these things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
Posted By: Exodus 21:7 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 12:00 AM
The one thing I've always admired about bible-thumping Christians is their ability to be willfully ignorant and ignore passages such as those above while simultaneously extolling the virtues found in the good book.
I suppose willful ignorance also explains why so many are conservative republicans.
Posted By: Jose (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 03:09 AM
I'm trying to watch both shows spoiler free and even I have to admit that this week WWE was terrible.
Wes if you hated Raw then I sure hope you didn't see Smackdown. That was the worst Smackdown I've seen in years, I couldn't even watch it. Blindfold matches, flag matches, ridiculous dance competitions. Just horrible lame "comedy" which was terribly unfunny.
There's nothing worse than having someone sat watching in the background that you've told why you like wrestling, the high impact stuff and the good stories, then they sit and see that shit and you just want to cringe and have the floor swallow you up. Awful.
Posted By: Col (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 05:31 AM
To paraphrase Eric Bischoff
People don't like that WWE is the top company but HATES anything that's not the WWE
Posted By: Guest#1193 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 08:08 AM
Too much bitching this week, Wes.
Posted By: Candy Bottocks (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 09:22 AM
"But I do respectfully believe that the TNA does higher ratings in the UK deniers are so obstinate in your refusal to give either TNA a modicum of credit or acknowledge that Wes has a legitimate point, that you choose to make a litany of excuses rather than simple acknowledge a reality...
Which is that Impact beats Raw in the UK."
It does very slightly higher ratings, and neither TNA nor WWE ratings are impressive. I keep posting this - wrestling is not a big deal here in the UK. There are enough fans for tours to be worthwhile, but the number of people who watch wrestling on TV is tiny. If TNA were getting a million people watching their show it would be news. But they're not, and they never will.
Posted By: Guest#7397 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I usually agree with Wes on his TNA/WWE views, but I disagree on his comment about Impact crowds. I love TNA but the Impact Zone crowd is horrible, especially during PPVs. They need to do more tapings on the road.
Posted By: realist (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM
"- Even though solar and wind have been proven abysmal failures, the government owes it to us to keep funding it despite the fact it has been proven an abysmal failure."
So being a good Republican means believing that wind and solar are failures because you don't need to kill brown people to harness wind or sunlight.
Seriously, you people sound like Frankenstein sometimes...it's all "GOVERNMENT BAAAAAAAAAD!"
Posted By: Really now (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Damn Liberals are ruining the world...Preach on Wes...Don't forget Libs scream about charity but conservatives on record donate more money to organizations like red cross, salvation army, etc. than any stinking Democrat that runs their mouth's but never put their money behind what they say. And Libs...why is it okay to smoke pot but not a cigarette? Don't they both lead to second hand smoke? Wes for President and keep up the great work!
Posted By: Guest#6584 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 04:51 PM
While I will admit, I am not the biggest fan of your work, I will agree that those who vote on WotW should watch all the shows. To me that means not only WWE and TNa, but the major independents and the like as well. While we may not be in the heyday of the territories like back in the day, there is a good amount of great wrestling going on in the background that many people don't get a chance to see. If the argument is only TNA and WWE because they get the best exposure, then those who argue that TNA isn't worth watching as it barely gets half the viewership that WWE gets would have a point. If WotW is only for the biggest fed, then obviously WWE should win it every single week hands down. Just a thought
Posted By: Guest#0377 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 05:50 PM
Wes I agree with most of your opinions on TNA EXCEPT the Impact Zone crowds. They are terrible.
Last year when TNA went to places like Knoxville and Macon the crowds were great but at the Impact Zone they fucking suck. Final Resolution was a good PPV bogged down by a bad crowd.
The reason TNA needs to move from the IZ is because they can't get an accurate view on what works and what doesn't. At least when you travel you can get consistency on what wrestler is over but in the Impact Zone they're either dead or its so fucking random the bookers almost have to assume that whoever is being pushed is working.
Posted By: Guest#8692 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 07:24 PM
Mark Henry is a bigger draw than all of TNA combined!
You read it here first!
Posted By: Guest#4859 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM
Wesley is a coward, put up or shut up. Be a man wesley and take the challenge
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 10:25 PM
I agree with you completely on SOPA Kirk. We may be at opposite ends of the political spectrum, but the fact that I can find such common ground with you means there's hope for humanity yet.
I also have to say that I was totally into the Shelly/Aries promo. It was short (under 10 minutes), sweet (witty), and to the point - everything an in-ring promo should usually be. Those two can go on the mic, and God knows they can go in the ring too.
TNA seems to finally be keeping the focus on what made them great in the first place - it was... actually better than RAW this week. It got me watching again for the first time since Bound for Glory; I just pray that they keep it up.
Posted By: Franke Sisto (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 10:38 PM
As usual I hope Wes Kirk gets help and off whatever self-righteous ego-trip, he's on but I feel no sympathy for an ego addict.
Posted By: Irony (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 11:06 PM
EVOLUTION exists because we say it does, and if you challenge us we'll show our facts and figures by having you banned from publishing anything against our theory or discredit you as a scientist or human being instead of fighting the facts.
Posted By: Liberal (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM
"Climategate" and "Climategate 2.0" are shitty psuedo-scandals which were exaggerated by a small number of conservative bloggers and journalists, and the scientists involved were later exonerated.
The term "climategate" itself was coined by British journalist James Delingpole, and if you lived here in the UK you would know that he is an uninformed hack with zero scientific background, who has used an agressive anti-global warming stance to garner attention and hits.
Now, before you work yourself up into an ideological fervour over the liberal climate change agenda, I'm not totally sold on the idea of Anthro Global Warming either. But it's well established now that the earth's surface has been warming relatively rapidly over the last few decades. The debate is whether this is just part of the planet's natural cycles in climate, or if emissions produced by human activity has contributed.
A contentious debate, with deep vested interests on both sides. But the majority of the scientific community across the industrialised world is reaching consenus that human-caused emissions are playing an important role, and I think I'll trust that over some trolling, brainwashed geek like you who likes to pretend he is Donald Trump on the internet, even though in reality you fix computers for a living and blog about wrestling for no pay.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 23, 2012 at 04:07 PM
Wes, I gotta ask you something that's been bugging me.
When Nexus invaded and Daniel Bryan got fired, it was all about that stupid choking with the tie crap. Their sponsor or whoever it was, put up a bitch fit until Bryan got fired.
So now Kane comes out every week and applies a move that looks to be like he's trying to smother the victim, and that's all good? Nobody is gonna say anything about that?
It's along the same bounds I'd think..choking, smothering. What gives?
Posted By: Baboon (Guest) on January 23, 2012 at 10:30 PM
"But I do respectfully believe that the TNA does higher ratings in the UK deniers are so obstinate in your refusal to give either TNA a modicum of credit or acknowledge that Wes has a legitimate point, that you choose to make a litany of excuses rather than simple acknowledge a reality...
Which is that Impact beats Raw in the UK."
It does very slightly higher ratings, and neither TNA nor WWE ratings are impressive. I keep posting this - wrestling is not a big deal here in the UK. There are enough fans for tours to be worthwhile, but the number of people who watch wrestling on TV is tiny. If TNA were getting a million people watching their show it would be news. But they're not, and they never will.
Posted By: Guest#7397 (Guest) on January 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Hey dipshit,
You could have saved yourself that paragraph and just said wrestling isn't popular in the UK, but Impact beats Raw, you retarded WWE fanboy.
Summerslam 92 says hello
Posted By: Guest#0229 (Guest) on January 24, 2012 at 03:40 AM
After thinking on it, I can't see why the decision was made to have CM Punk give John Laurinaitis a GTS to close the show last night. If the goal was to have this moment be as big as it was when Stone Cold Steve Austin first gave Vince McMahon a Stunner -- and you would be dense to think it wasn't -- then the timing here was awful. The match between Punk and Dolph Ziggler at the Rumble has little to do with Ziggler and centers almost solely around whether or not Laurinaitis is going to screw Punk. the way the story has been crafted, they payoff to the build should have been for Punk to finally beat the hell out of Laurinaitis. So why would you do that on the Raw show before the pay-per-view instead of at the show where the payoff is supposed to happen? It created the photo of the year, sure, but it was the wrong time to make this move. It can be explained away partially by the fact that they announced Triple H's return next week to "review" Laurinaitis and evaluate him in his job, therefore taking away any incentive he has to screw Punk. The only way to give him incentive again is to have Punk put him to sleep. So they made a bad booking decision but the explanation for it is decent enough. Still, this left a bad taste.
Posted By: Guest#4816 (Guest) on January 24, 2012 at 10:51 PM
BE A MAN, SPIN THE WHEEL MAKE A DEAL WESLEY. ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE LIKE A MAN SLAPNUTS
Posted By: Ice Dagger (Guest) on January 24, 2012 at 10:52 PM
LOL at that opening rant, challenging readers to write their own wrestling column pieces in the comments section. Is the negative feedback really getting to you that badly Wes?
Nobody is going to take you up on that challenge because NOBODY CARES. Most of us aren't sad and pathetic enough to devote their time to writing thousands of words about wrestling on the internet without getting paid. And if anybody did want to write for 411, they would just apply and get their own column. It's not like the barriers to entry are high here, just look at columns like the triple threat - a bunch of marks who can barely string a sentence together between them.
Of course, I'm sure you'll spin nobody taking you up on your challenge as proof people are scared of your amazing blogging talent or some other lame troll bullshit.
Posted By: Guest#9892 (Guest) on January 25, 2012 at 09:29 AM
Wesley, take my challenge I will walk all over you...
Posted By: ice Dagger (Guest) on January 26, 2012 at 09:47 PM
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