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The 8-Ball 02.09.12: Top 8 Reasons WWE Should Stay PG
Posted by Ryan Byers on 02.09.2012



Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the 8-Ball. My name is Ryan Byers, and I would like to thank everybody for the feedback that flooded in after my debut with this column just seven short days ago. I'm looking forward to a long run with this format, though I have to admit that this particular week has been a busy one for me outside of the world of writing about professional wrestling on the internet, so I haven't quite gone as in-depth with this topic as I would normally hope to. However, I believe that it still contains some valid points that need to be made, so, here goes . . .



Top 8 Reasons WWE Should Stay PG


That's right. Just about anywhere you go on the internet these days, there are people making the complaint that WWE's status as a TV-PG rated set of shows is killing professional wrestling. Some people claim that it's killing professional wrestling from an entertainment value standpoint. Others claim that it's killing professional wrestling from a business standpoint. Some people combine the two arguments. Personally, I think that all of the above is a load of hooey. (Note the PG terminology.) There is absolutely no problem with WWE continuing to promote a PG product, and, in fact, I am of the opinion that it is more beneficial than not for the rating to remain as is. Here are the top eight reasons why.

8. Attitude Fans are Aging






It's hard to believe, but 1998, which was the height of the WWE Attitude Era, was fourteen years ago. The viewers who were the bread and butter of the Attitude days were people in their teens and early twenties. Somebody who was 16 in 1998 (as I was, actually) is now closing in on 30. Somebody who was 25 in 1998 is now closing in on 39. The Attitude Era teens are now all at ages where they are highly likely to have young children, and, when you become a parent, your kids begin to take up a LOT of your time and can often dictate the television and movies that you watch. Thus, if you want to keep the young adults of the Attitude Era watching, it helps a good deal to put out a product that they can watch with their children as opposed to a product that they have to hide from their children, particularly when it is a product that you're asking your audience to watch several times a week for a minimum of two hours per viewing. Plus, parents naturally get excited when their kids take an interest in something that the parent him or herself was interested in years ago, so parent/child sharing of WWE viewing can even reinvigorate the fandom of some parents who otherwise might have given up wrestling.

7. Hooking Them Young






As noted above, people in their teens and early twenties were the people who formed the foundation of wrestling's uber-popularity in the late 1990s. However, it is not as though these people were all brand new wrestling fans who had never gotten into the product before. To the contrary, many of them were former professional wrestling fans who were coming back to the "sport" after a several year absence. Many of the high school students who hung on the every movement of Steve Austin were the same elementary school students who hung on the every movement of Hulk Hogan ten or fifteen years earlier, though they did, for the most part, take an early 1990s hiatus. By creating a kid-friendly WWE now, the promotion can potentially set up a similar pattern ten years from now by introducing a product that connects with these same fans once more when they are just a tiny bit older. The people who were attracted to John Cena as kids could be attracted to another, more mature character ten years down the line, just as the Hogan-to-Austin transition occurred. For WWE's sake, though, hopefully the Cena-to-whoever transition would not require the promotion's polarity dipping in between the two stars as much as what occurred between 1993 and 1996.

6. Merchandising






The primary revenue stream of any professional wrestling organization used to be live event tickets. When closed circuit television and later pay per view came on to the scene, PPV supplanted ticket sales as the main cash cow. Nowadays, many people are arguing that pay per view is a dying business. Some people claim that it's because folks simply aren't willing to fork out the money for shows anymore when pirated versions are readily available on the internet. Other people claim that it's because the folks who are booking professional wrestling companies these days have completely lost sight of how to promote a big event. I'm more in the latter camp than I am in the former, but the numbers don't lie, and PPV really is hitting the skids. Thus, other revenue streams become all the more important to WWE, and one of the big revenue streams these days is merchandise, whether we're talking about products produced in-house or licensed goodies. Here's the thing about professional wrestling merchandise, though: Adults are a hell of a lot less likely to buy it than youngsters. I'm sorry, Vince, but I'm a professional and I'm not going to be seen walking down the streets of my hometown in a Zack Ryder t-shirt, even when I'm off the clock. Kids, however, are the very reason that you can sell things like WWE dolls, WWE plastic jewelry, wrestler dress-up sets, and, yes, even John Cena garden gnomes. The more the WWE product appeals to kids, the more crap can be sold to them, which is money in the bank.

5. Sponsor Money






Speaking of money, WWE has had a lot of involvement of corporate sponsors over the past twenty-five years. However, the profile of their sponsors has definitely gone up and down over those years. Watching some WWE Classics on Demand recently, I was reminded that WWE (or the WWF at the time) used to be sponsored by companies such as Sony, Blistex, Chef Boyardee, and many more major players. However, as time went on and the product got more risqué, many of those high-profile sponsors started to step away. When the promotion toned down the content of its shows, many big companies lined up to provide financial backing to WWE once more. K-Mart carries an unprecedented amount of the company's merchandise these days. Mattel is now the official licensee of the rights to make dolls based on the promotion. WWE cups and other promotions are in 7-11 stores. Jared the Subway guy is in the front row at Raw, overseeing Santino stealing Jerry "Stupid" Lawler's delicious sandwich. Though not a guarantee, chances are good that many of these companies would not want to be associated with a more controversial product, as was evidenced by rumors that Bryan Danielson's release from his original WWE contract was a result of his tie-choking violating content guidelines dictated by Mattel and further evidenced by Fit Finlay's termination after the Army National Guard was not thrilled with a segment he booked on a house show of all things. A PG show keeps those sponsor dollars rolling in, which, again, is very important when traditional revenue streams like pay per view are going downhill.

4. Ratings Are Steady






Most of us have come to realize that the comment sections of 411mania articles are not exactly full of brain surgeons. However, one of the things that I constantly see our commenters who complain about the TV-PG rating saying is that it is "killing business," and they usually claim that this business death is reflected in lower television ratings. However, this is one myth that can easily be busted. A quick search of the WWE corporate website brought me to this press release, which notes that the PG rating for WWE's content began in July 2008. This page lists all WWE television ratings for 2008. Take a look at those numbers. They're mostly in the low 3.0 range with a few mid 3.0's and high 2.9's sprinkled in. What are the ratings for Raw like these days? They're mostly in the low 3.0 range with a few mid 3.0's and high 2.9's sprinkled in. The change in the company's ratings for Raw since the PG edict came down has been miniscule and, if I were to do formal statistical analysis, I suspect that it would most likely be statistically insignificant. So, if the more family friendly WWE is drawing in roughly the same number of viewers and has the potential to bring in more money (as outlined above), why do anything else?

(NOTE: The above focuses purely on Raw ratings and not those for Smackdown, as there are major variables other than the PG rating that would affect SD's Nielsen numbers between 2008 and present day, specifically changes in network.)

3. Hulkamania






People who rally against the PG version of WWE often point to the fact that the Attitude Era was the most successful period of time in the company's history. One thing that those same people neglect is that WWE was almost as big of a business success - and was arguably even better-accepted by the mainstream media - fifteen years earlier when Hulkamania was running wild. I don't think that anybody would disagree that the promotion was "PG" when Hulk was their main attraction, and, based on the fact that they had a Saturday morning cartoon show around this time, you could even argue that the product was closer to what we would refer to today as a "TV-Y7" show. So, if that sort of product was successful once, there's nothing saying that it couldn't be successful for a second time. And, before you try to tell me that the WWF during the Hogan period captured lightning in a bottle and that a family friendly wrestling product could never work again, let me move you up one space on this list and remind you of . . .

2. The nWo






Because WWE won the Monday Night War and as a result writes a lot of our wrestling history books, we hear a lot of people claiming, at least implicitly, that the Attitude-oriented product was responsible for the professional wrestling boom of the late-1990s. That is not true, though. WWF Attitude did not cause the wrestling boom. WWF Attitude piled onto the wrestling boom after it had already started, and it was started by the nWo. The nWo made wrestling "cool" again, and the WWF just built upon their accomplishments. And do you know what? If you actually go back and watch the things that the nWo was doing when they were at the height of their popularity, there is virtually NOTHING that wouldn't fit in a PG environment. Just take a look at the video above of Hulk Hogan's legendary heel turn. There's no blood. No cursing. No excessive violence. No half-naked women. Yet, it remains one of the most effective and best-remembered angles in all of professional wrestling history, and the same was true of everything else that the nWo did when they were the hottest act in the world over the course of the next two years and change. Yes, WCW did eventually go down a much bawdier road when they hired Vince Russo in late 1999, but what the company made its name on was perfectly family friendly professional wrestling. They didn't need obscenity to literally become the top-grossing professional wrestling promotion in the history of the world up to that point in time, so WWE shouldn't need it now.

1. The Toy Story Effect






Yeah, you heard me. Toy Story. The only movie I actually plunked down my hard-earned money to see in the theatre in 2010 was Toy Story 3. The only movie that I actually plunked down my hard-earned money to see in the theatre in 2011 was The Muppets. Do you know what I thought when I left those movies? It wasn't, "God, that sucked. It would've been so much better if Buzz Lightyear was allowed to bleed and swear" or "That movie was OK, but I would've given it ***** if Miss Piggy show a little more cleavage." No, I walked out of both of those movies, which were rated G and PG respectively, thinking, "That was a goddamn awesome movie, and I had a great time watching it." If you've read any reviews of those films or talked to anybody with a soul, you know that I am far from the only person to hold that opinion. What's my point as it relates to pro wrestling? My point is that there is no law anywhere which says that a product designed to be acceptable for children can't be imminently entertaining for adults. If you don't like WWE's product right now, you shouldn't misdirect your anger and claim that the company needs adult themes. If you don't like WWE's product right now, you should just demand that WWE tell captivating stories with compelling characters and solid beginnings, middles, and ends, regardless of whether they're rated G, PG, R, or XXX. Demand good writing before you demand writing with a certain level of adult content. You'll be happier in the long run and not chastising WWE for a decision that, as seen above, makes a fair deal of business sense for them.

And that that will do it for me this week. Have a good seven days, all, and I will see you again shortly.


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"or talked to anybody with a soul"

Why the hell do people keep using this shaming tactic?

I liked Toy Story 3 but I didn't think the ending was sad like apparently everyone else (especially the girls) thought. I thought it was a fitting way to end the trilogy but nothing even close to cry about.

And I simply didn't like the Muppets too much. The jokes were okay but I left the theater thinking it was just okay and honestly forgot about the movie the next day.


Posted By: Guest#3366 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:03 AM

 
 
NWOPG? Down Where?



Down here! (points to belly button, eats ice cream bar.)


Posted By: Guest#5094 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:04 AM

 
 
Good column and professional wrestling, apart from those few years of the Attitude Era, was always for the whole family.

Posted By: Guest#0700 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:04 AM

 
 
There's also big marketing and advertising purposes behind WWE's repackaging their product; just like McDonald's, WWE intention now more than ever is to hook the younger audience, the kids. Just like I say now "I used to watch wrestling since 5", but like mentioned above, adults move on to other things; the younger audience, in the long run, is a far more secure target market than the older attitude and pre-attitude fans.

Posted By: Julio Moreno (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:06 AM

 
 
I don't get the PG argument. Never have, never will and this is the only time I will entertain it.

It's all about the writing/booking. I'm pretty sure other than the late 90s WWF, wrestling has ALWAYS been PG. So no complaints here.

Just write/book well give me interesting characters, have exciting matches and make me believe and I'm a happy character.


Posted By: Guest#3864 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:08 AM

 
 
Great article! One point that should be at the top of the list is the safety of (and longevity) of the performers. In a non-bleeding environment performers will be able to work longer. Just compare ECW wrestlers in-ring ability at the age of 35 to WCW or WWE stars at the same age. The more severe bumps one takes, the earlier they will be forced to retire. See Mysterio, Rey or Edge

Posted By: gel (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:12 AM

 
 
All of your reasoning is backwards. 1. is attitude fans are aging. Understand that the reason attitude worked so well is that the rock n wrestling era fans grew up. The mid 90's drought was because the WWE didnt evolve. 18-34 is the most coveted demographic so why note use RAW as your PG show and Smackdown as your PG-13 show and funnel viewers from on to the other. Truly create different brands and capitalize on all viewers. all the viewers in the attitude era didnt die or dissapear they just grew older. They were they and still can be, but you have to pander to all demos. Jus t like any major network create shows that all viewers can attach to at a certain time

Posted By: Keith (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:15 AM

 
 
Thank you. Good storytelling has nothing to do with obscenity, female nudity, and blood. Wrestling purists point to the late 80's NWA as one of the great templates of how to book a pro wrestling company, and guess what? That product was TV-PG. The difference is, late 80's NWA had logical storytelling with a beginning, middle, and end to each angle featuring charismatic wrestlers, tag teams, managers/valets, etc. who were allowed to cut promos without a script and knew how to entertain in the ring. Today's WWE features green-as-gooseshit FCW 'grads' throwing generic dropkicks and chinlocks at each other while reading scripts written by rejected-sitcom writers in storylines that go nowhere and get no one over unless you're John Cena, Randy Orton, HHH, or Undertaker. Do the math.

Posted By: The TradeMark Experience (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:16 AM

 
 
Dead on.

I saw a bunch of movies in 2010, ranging from PG movies to PG-13 action flicks to Rated R comedies.

My favorite one? Toy Story 3.

No amount of blood, tits, ass, swearing, or fights will automatically equal a great product.

Toy Story had a wonderful story, likable characters, a clear path for two hours, and an amazing payoff.

All in a kid-friendly PG format!


Posted By: 24 year old (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:18 AM

 
 
If today's product was as good as the product WWE was producing at the height of Hulkamania then I don't think people would be grumbling so much about it. But instead of compelling storylines, matches with consequences and characters we can get behind, we're getting stale, boring characters like John Cena, flatulent Divas and matches that mean absolutely nothing.

In 14 years time, will today's fans look back on this era with as much fondness as we do with the Attitude Era?


Posted By: abwiz74 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:18 AM

 
 
i dont care if they stay PG, just get that damn Cena off my television!

Posted By: quarterlifecrisis (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:19 AM

 
 
Oh god, the IWC's gonna shit on this one...but you said it best when it all comes down to good writing/booking, regardless of show rating. Hell, I really think some of the best booking the E ever did was in the tail end of 91/early part of 92. You don't need obscenities every 15 seconds or buckets of blood to make an entertaining program, despite what some of the folks, who wanna watch televised snuff shows, may say..

Posted By: Team J-Rod (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:20 AM

 
 
This Byers is alright.

Posted By: Guest#7813 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:25 AM

 
 
In before the trolls start screaming for blood, both from WWE and from Byers.

Everything here is absolutely correct.


Posted By: Guest#0947 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:28 AM

 
 
I'll probably catch a lot of heat from this, but look at ROH on TV. They're PG and doing fine so far (I can imagine the trolls by now are going to totally ridicule me, but that's fine).
But Byers is spot on, give me solid storytelling, and matches that aren't bland and seen a thousand times already, and the product can be PG and still be amazing to watch.


Posted By: OpTimistic (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:31 AM

 
 
The thing about the Hulkamania PG era was that it wasn't as childish as this PG era has been. The only one that was worse was the New Generation.

Posted By: Guest#5874 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:32 AM

 
 
I honestly don't see much of a difference between the PG era and the era before the PG era:
-no more bra and panties match (oh boo hoo)
-since there is no more blading, the bleeding we see now is legit therefore less...fake?
-They toned it down considerably on the swearing but every now and then the words "bitch", "ass", "jackass", etc...will be added to promos to add effectiveness. Not to mention the sexual-double entendres (example- R-Truth "I'm not even sure if that's PG!")

So yeah, PG, not such a bad thing.


Posted By: Phil (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:38 AM

 
 
I can agree with you, but not on much. While I do believe WWE is fully capable of putting out 5 star storylines with the PG rating, that very rating catches up with them more times than not. This is a violent show. Men and women are beating the hell out of each other just to win a match. It needs to be at least TV-14 to get that point across.

I'm not saying that rating has to be shown as excessive strong language or extreme acts of violence in the ring every week. But sometimes, it'd be nice if the wrestlers were able to be cut loose a little bit, say and do things (things within the TV-14 rating guidelines) without worrying if they're going to be fired afterward.

Example: NXT invades RAW. They demolish the ring and everyone inside and around it. At one point, Daniel Bryan chokes Justin Roberts with his own tie. They kept cutting back to it as it happened. I thought it was a cool, edgy moment. Next day, Daniel Bryan gets fired for his actions. What he did added to the entire moment of the NXT invasion. It made me and a ton of other people want to tune into RAW the next week.

I'm not saying things like that have to happen every week. But I do think these Attitude-esque moments should happen more often than just once every few months. It adds to the story, it enforces the idea that anything can happen at any time and you don't want to miss the next week and it would be better in the long run. Because you mentioned Attitude fans are getting older and aren't the key demographic anymore. But these fans that WWE have today aren't getting younger either.

Squeaky clean acts aren't great if they're squeaky clean all the time. Cena has gotten stale for me a lot during his career, but when he does shake it up a little bit, do things out of the ordinary for him, cut a promo that I can actually believe and feel, I love it. TV-PG is good, but it can be better. They've shown that. TV-14 would allow them to still put on the current product, but have a little breathing room with some of their decisions.


Posted By: Chris Stone (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:40 AM

 
 
i disagree. the ratings were a lot better when it was more of an adult show, as well as the merchandise sales were still soaring back then. And they were doing better buyrates/ business then. the only reason i see them doing the pg thing, is for sponsers. like back in the late 80's early 90's..

Posted By: kevin (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:40 AM

 
 
WWE should just ignore the Attitude Era generation completley. The only wrestler from that era (who didn't stick around afterwards) that can still make you money is Rock. The people that tuned out in the early 2000s are not likely to start watching wrestling again, unless their kids do.

Posted By: Guest#3120 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:46 AM

 
 
This column was way too intelligent for most 411 readers "who are not exactly brain surgeons".

Agree 100%!


Posted By: Uwe (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:47 AM

 
 
Agree with everyone here. It's a shame WWE can't be as good Toy Story 3.

Posted By: Guest#3070 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:47 AM

 
 
I'm fine with your all your points, but I'd only mention timeline.

The WWF/Hulkamania PG era started in 1985

The WWE/John Cena PG era started in 2005

By 1992, the wrestling recession began and would last for four years as the WWF continued to beat a dead horse as the children who had been fans in the 80's became teenagers and left in droves.

I'm not saying that WWE needs to abandon PG but looking at buyrates they should be cognizant of the past and be looking to transition to more mature material...which despite what others seem to believe, they can do while staying PG.

WCW did it, why not WWE?


Posted By: Guest#9410 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:55 AM

 
 
I've been watching for almost 25 years now, and if I had kids, I wouldn't let them watch wrestling even if it was PG. I just don't think most kids can understand violence responsibly. Pro-wrestling itself isn't something that should be marketed towards kids. It wasn't until I cleared my teens was I able to grasp wrestling more maturely. I'm a fan of the Attitude Era, ECW and a few hardcore matches, but even then, I'd probably let my kids grow up watching something like Glee. Sorry, I probably have to give up my man card for that, but oh well, it's a moot debate since I don't plan on having kids. :)

Posted By: Guest#0592 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:03 AM

 
 
I think that WWE could have the best of both worlds if they had decent storytelling. If they had storylines that weren't all over the place, they could have stuff for people of all ages and the PG rating wouldn't matter one bit. The reason that the attitude era was so successful is that you knew why guys were feuding with each other (most of the time making sense) and people got behind it. There's no reason why this couldn't happen again, albeit with less of the violence from the attitude era. I think the problem is with WWE right now is that a good chunk of people see it as John Cena, Randy Orton and a bunch of other interchangeable guys. Hence why they have trouble creating new main event stars that stick.

Posted By: Charles (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:09 AM

 
 
Ok first I want to say blood while most of the time is unneeded I have no problem with a PPV match that is built properly to draw blood. History says it can add to the peak of huge angle.But when a PPV is a total bloodbath no one is going to care.
Matches that are epics or classics should have the opportunity for blood. Weapons or plunder have there place as well on PPV once in while I hate the gimmick PPVs because there is no relief and a good gimmick if it is going to happen should end the show cage match/ladder/hardcore rules etc should only account for 1 match per show or max 2 of different flavors. BUT the story has to be there. Cena Kane is a decent example of blood ok for me if they build it right that kind of match or "war" I dont mind if there is blood.
As far as the women go honestly it didn't add much then and in there current context they don't add much now. The WWE needs to either make a real women division or just scrap it.


Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:12 AM

 
 
I'm fine with it being PG, but a bit of blood every once in awhile can be a good thing and a big deal. It doesn't need to be a lot of swearing, but "Poopy" is fucking stupid.

So, PG wrestling, I'm good with. Dumb wrestling, no matter the rating is still dumb.


Posted By: Doc (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:16 AM

 
 
great read, great points

Posted By: ramone (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:21 AM

 
 
You may be right buissiness wise.. But I do personally miss the blood :(

Posted By: Guest#7777 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:24 AM

 
 
PG, PG-13 or 14, R, XXX, wrestling was better before there was an internet and spoilers.

Posted By: This Guy (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:29 AM

 
 
PG is not the reason WWE sucks today, their writers and lack of good performers are.

Posted By: ermacermac (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:40 AM

 
 
WE WANT FIRE!!!

Posted By: Guest#6189 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:54 AM

 
 
WCW did die when russo came in and made it more attitude era.

Posted By: Guest#3525 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:55 AM

 
 
PG is good.

Posted By: Guest#4832 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:56 AM

 
 
i dont care if they stay PG, just get that damn Cena off my television!

Posted By: quarterlifecrisis (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Or, at least, give Cena some time off with someone like Bryan Danielson, who actually knows how to wrestle. Maybe Cena will learn something.


Posted By: Truth Hurts (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 02:07 AM

 
 
I've been watching for almost 25 years now, and if I had kids, I wouldn't let them watch wrestling even if it was PG. I just don't think most kids can understand violence responsibly. Pro-wrestling itself isn't something that should be marketed towards kids. It wasn't until I cleared my teens was I able to grasp wrestling more maturely. I'm a fan of the Attitude Era, ECW and a few hardcore matches, but even then, I'd probably let my kids grow up watching something like Glee. Sorry, I probably have to give up my man card for that, but oh well, it's a moot debate since I don't plan on having kids. :)

Posted By: Guest#0592 (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 01:03 AM

It took you until you were out of your teens to get that wrestling violence wasn't real? So because you're slow, WWE should not market to kids? OK.
Anyway, this column is spot on.


Posted By: Jerry (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 03:07 AM

 
 
PG WWE doesn't put butts in the seats and we all know all the story lines in the Attitude area story lines was unknown and we had more to cheer for just not Cena this or Cena that cause he is the ass who bought this PG crap back.

Posted By: ? (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 03:43 AM

 
 
The most boring thing about wrestling in WWE today is not, and i repeat, NOT PG Rating. The problem is the booking had been fucked up ever since the Attitude Era and writers now keep recycling storylines from the past (Punk - Laurinaitis as an example).

Posted By: Quan (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 03:49 AM

 
 
Good article. I too don't mind the pg rating and wish it the product to be more compelling and less videos. Creative needs to get there heads out of their cracks long enough to be able to do so.

One more thing before I get on with my day. I don't think it would have been the same if Stone Cold said, "Austin 3:16 says: I just whipped your batoody!". So, a little swear when appropriate is also a good thing.


Posted By: Mr. Magnanimous (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 04:45 AM

 
 
I dont have any problem with them being PG, I just wish they would stop treating us as if we were morons.

Posted By: Guest#3449 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 04:46 AM

 
 
I just don't think most kids can understand violence responsibly. Pro-wrestling itself isn't something that should be marketed towards kids.

Posted By: Guest#0592 (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 01:03 AM

I am going to try and respond calmly without attacking you but it is going to be difficult because remarks like this are everything I think is wrong with parenting in America. Your children understand what you teach them and if the concept you are trying to teach them is hard for them to understand that is a good thing because it means you are pushing their mental development and stretching their mental capacity. We need to get over the urge to protect our children from everything and instead teach them how to deal with everything. I have a six year old who watches wrestling and the Simpsons and the Daily Show with me. When a mature topic comes up I explain it to him as best I can and we have a discussion. The result is that he is a well behaved, thoughtful child who is outperforming his grade level in math and reading. The horror stories you hear about kids emulating violent video games and movies and hurting people while imitating professional wrestling are the result of lazy parenting and not because of the inability of the kids to deal with violence. Most children have a huge capacity to learn. We just don't take the time to teach.

My apologies if you aren't American but your attitude of protectiveness seems American.


Posted By: gpjunk (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 04:59 AM

 
 
I know the media loves, and therefore a lot of commentators love, labels and ratings, but there is more to a TV show than just that. It's about quality, entertainment value, fun. Nitro was an action packed show for the most of its duration, and it was PG. WWE shows are currently mostly sub-par based on standards set by the WWF, WCW and early WWE. That's why people complain, and the easiest thing to do is to blame the PG rating. Blame the writers, the bland characters, censorship, the Linda McMahon political connection, etc. PG is the least problem. WWE needs to be fun and dynamic, and right now, it gives us only glimpses of that. You don't need blood and chairshots to the head on every show, but you also don't need a toned-down CM Punk, or an IC champion that never defends his title, or countless promos with nothing but talking and talking...

Posted By: L. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 06:24 AM

 
 
WWF was TV-PG in 1998. It switched to TV-14 in mid 1999 (for RAW is WAR).

Posted By: FoleyisGood (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 06:32 AM

 
 
I think that the most welcome change with the advent of some rating accountability has been the drastic reduction in the type of incredibly gross misogyny and homophobia that was prevalent during the Attitude era and finally forced me to stop watch wrestling for nearly ten years.

Posted By: Sean R (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 06:35 AM

 
 
What a lame ass article

Posted By: CM Punk'd (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:29 AM

 
 
Very solid article. Hooking them while they're young is an important point.

Posted By: Guest#8582 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:43 AM

 
 
Whether the shows are PG or not, as far as I'm concerned, is now irrelevant; the WWE product, out and out, is utterly stale and has been near garbage, for some time now.

The storylines are wretched, the characters are no longer compelling, for the most part, and being able to blade or cuss isn't gonna change any of that.

Wrestlemania, "the grandest stage of all", is two months away, and there's not a single compelling reason to even care.

Why should someone want to pay to see Rock vs. Cena? CM Punk is WWE Champion, yet the best that they could do is have Jericho troll for a month, before redoing "Whiny Itch" Jericho? Daniel Bryan is World Heavyweight Champion, yet the only way he can get heat is trolling Big Show and being "vegan"? Seriously?

Undertaker can still carry his own, but was anyone really opining for Taker/HHH 3? And the crminal misuse of Jack Swagger continues.

WWE has, the moment, 3-5 refreshing personalities: Orton, Ziggler, Taker, possibly Ryder, Rhodes, and possibly DelRio.

Nothing else, as far as I'm concerned, even warrants modest attention. Hopefully some writer, with a sense for developing characters, gives it a shot.


Posted By: scipio2009 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:53 AM

 
 
You make some excellent points, although you forgot the true # 1 reason:

VKM would do anything to get his wife into the Senate, even if it means watering down his product to the point where any true wrestling fan is bored with it--just so that the wrestling critics MIGHT back off (they won't).

With that being said, There are a number of excellent points both in the column and in the comments. PG need not be synonymous with a bad product. You can have good writing and action in any era. And while the mid 90's brought us Doink as a face, Jeff Jarrett as a country singer, and just about every lame gimmick on the plant it also brought us Owen v. Bret, and the rise of Shawn Michaels as a superstar.

I have no problem with PG on TV as long as good writing accompanies it. However, as with the Attitude era, you can take it too far. PPV is where everything should go up a notch. The violence should be increased a bit, although not to endangering the workers (such as unprotected chair shots to the head). If you're going to have the HITC match, let alone twice in a PPV, then you need blood--period. If you have a true blood fued such as Michaels/Jericho in 2008, then it makes no sense for the blowoff matches to be relatively bloodless. The wrestlers don't have to blade all the time, because then it becomes meaningless. But a little color at the right time only makes it even more important when it does show. Also, stopping a match when there is a legitimate cut (which they did a couple of times in 2009/2010) simply kills the match.

There can be a balance between the all out insanity of the Attitude era, and the relative safety of the current post-Attitude era.

But whatever they do, they need to get better writers. Or how about this? Why not fire the entire writing staff and hire wrestlers who already know how to cut promos? I bet you if they had the current WWE corporate environment in the mid 1990's, the Attitude Era never would have happened because the writers would have tried to force-feed lame lines to Austin and Rock and Foley, and they would have had a lot harder time getting over. If it were up to WWE management at the time, the Rock would have been the "blue chipper." Austin would have been the "Million Dollar Champion" and Mick Foley would have remained the bizarre version of Mankind. It took giving the wrestlers some freedom to be themselves, amped up 2000 notches to get over with the fans.


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:57 AM

 
 
Best column I've ever read on 411... Actually one of the best columns of any site ever! Awesome job putting people's negativity into perspective. Oh and about time the truth was told: the nWo is what brought wrestling back and made it cool again... Austin needed the nWo to come first if he was to ever take off the way he did!

Posted By: Ben (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:03 AM

 
 
Great article with lots of good points. Too bad half the IWC will still act like stubborn, selfish, butthurt, spoiled brat whiners saying "Their way will be more successful".

Posted By: Guest#2015 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:08 AM

 
 
NEWSFLASH!!! - Wrestling always had blood! Even in the freakin height of cartoon-ish Hulkamania era there was blood - in the WM Main Events nonetheless!!! IT wasn't till the early-t0-mid 90's that Vince put the kybash on blood. So WWE can remain totally PG and still have blood! Blood is a natural thing that kids see everytime they scrape their legs. It is red liquid that is found in video games and on cartoons! A little blood can go a long way in helping tell a story in the ring and it can still be PG. We don't need transvestites, or women getting thrown through tables, no live sex acts, no foul language, but blood is essential to the idea of 2 men battling each other phsycially!

Posted By: I Love Brad (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:11 AM

 
 
A Wrestlemania worthy of some attention:

-Cena vs. The Rock (WWE already bet the show on it carrying everything.

-Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

-HHH vs. Dolph Ziggler

-WWE Championship
CM Punk(c) vs. Sheamus

-World Heavyweight Championship
Daniel Bryan(c) vs. Cody Rhodes(c)

-US Championship
Jack Swagger(c) vs. Zack Ryder

-Chris Jericho vs. Big Show

-Divas Championship
Beth Phoenix(c) vs. Natalya

-MiTB
Mark Henry vs. Miz vs. Barrett vs. Kofi vs. Kane vs. ??? Vs. ??? Vs. ???


Posted By: scipio2009 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:12 AM

 
 
Great article, My opinion is nutural, probably leading more to staying PG, for the fact that it should theoretically lead to another wrestling boom in 5 ish years. It all goes around in circles. Strongly agree with the fact that WWE being PG you can still enjoy it and its storylines, HOWEVER are the WWE doing this to the best of their abilities? I'd say no..

Posted By: WWE (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:19 AM

 
 
This might be one of the more thought-out coulumns I've ever read on 411. As a 40-yr old lifelong fan (although I was a more casual viewer in 93 than hardcore like I was in my teens). And I have to say that I agree with you on all fronts.

8. I love that I can watch wrestling with my 6-yr old son now. I still filter what he watches down to matches only but I brought him to his first live house show in December and he had the best time. We sat 2nd row on the entrance rail on he high-fived all the faces and heckled the heels. It was probably the best time I've ever had at a show (which includes 2 WMs and a ringside Raw). He knows it's "fake" and the "guys that are really good at it make you wonder if it's real." But he's a smart kid.

7. I was hooked young. Between my uncles' Apter mags to taking me to see FCW live, to making my GI Joe's wrestle on rings I made out of encyclopedia's, to the Road Warrior posters all over my walls, wrestling had me. And I never thought it was real.

6. I can't tell you the last time I bought a WWE shirt for myself. It doesn't seem appropriate for a 40-yr old man to wear a shirt around town that says "Boots To Asses," However, I bought my son Cena head/arm bands at the house show. And I buy him the mini-wrestlers if he wants them also.

5. Sponsors. No-brainer there.

4. The ratings will probably never get back up to the 8's. Things are different. Every "fad" gets old and wrestling pushed the envelope in the late 90s. You can only push so much. Remember, Jerry Springer was a phenomenon in the late 90s. Then Nipplegate happened at the SB and shows had to scale back or suffer fines.

3. My favorite Hulk Hogan memory is at Superbrawl (I think) in St Pete (94?), he beat the Giant after his usual m.o. of hulking up, yada yada yada. I turned around and a 5-yr old kid was so fired up and yelling that he had veins bulging in his neck. I looked at his dad and he just smiled, nodded, and gave me an non-verbal understood "hell yeah."

2. Never thought of this but the NWO at least at the beginning was PG. And it was great at the beginning.

1. It doesn't matter what the rating is. If the story is good and you become invested in the characters, it's entertaining. For all the talk of the attitude being great, what about Mae Young's hand birth? Val Venis's I choppee your peepee? Katie Vick? Steph kidnapped? Killing Big Show's dog? Nicole Bass? In WCW? GI Bro? Goldberg kidnapped? Tazer power?

Great column Byers.


Posted By: The Big Fat F*g (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:20 AM

 
 
Good column and an interesting few points

Posted By: KnowYourRole (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:33 AM

 
 
I don't care about the PG rating I just want better wrestling back, take the stupid ban of moves and just get wrestlers who can do/take them properly.

I'm tired of everyone but 3 or 4 guys just being brawlers.


Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:49 AM

 
 
"I just don't think most kids can understand violence responsibly. Pro-wrestling itself isn't something that should be marketed towards kids."

Posted By: Guest#0592 (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 01:03 AM

"I am going to try and respond calmly without attacking you but it is going to be difficult because remarks like this are everything I think is wrong with parenting in America. Your children understand what you teach them and if the concept you are trying to teach them is hard for them to understand that is a good thing because it means you are pushing their mental development and stretching their mental capacity. We need to get over the urge to protect our children from everything and instead teach them how to deal with everything. I have a six year old who watches wrestling and the Simpsons and the Daily Show with me. When a mature topic comes up I explain it to him as best I can and we have a discussion. The result is that he is a well behaved, thoughtful child who is outperforming his grade level in math and reading. The horror stories you hear about kids emulating violent video games and movies and hurting people while imitating professional wrestling are the result of lazy parenting and not because of the inability of the kids to deal with violence. Most children have a huge capacity to learn. We just don't take the time to teach.

My apologies if you aren't American but your attitude of protectiveness seems American."

Posted By: gpjunk (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 04:59 AM

I have been on this board a long time and THAT is one of THE most intelligent posts I have ever read!!I am a parent of two kids and agree with everything said. Well done!!!


Posted By: Guest#6972 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:54 AM

 
 
I believe the problem is not the PG rating, but the childishness of the product. Fans wouldn't ask for blood, half-naked women and swearing of the product was presented as a show for all ages not just kinds. Are there any self respecting adult doesn't feel emberassed when WWE gives us things like Natalya farting or R-Truth setting black people back by 30 years?


I get your points, but please remember - you are a wrestling FAN. You most likely don't have stock in the company, so please stop justifying the bad decisions just because they would make WWE more money. That is like arguing that the musi industry should only focus on soft, safe mainstream artists like Lady Gaga, Soulja Boy and Justin Bieber, because marketing to the lowest common denominator would make more money. Please, don't lower your own standarts in exchange for someone else getting richer.


Posted By: Ronnie Bane (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:57 AM

 
 
The guy who wrote the "Rise and Fall of WCW" book could probably write a very interesting study of the Attitude Era. To me, the best thing about that era was that it tested the waters for what they could get away with, and while a lot of it was "Russo-f'n-riffic", the great thing was the era that followed it. Even though the raunch was toned down, there was enough of an "anything can happen" vibe in the early "2000's" that it kept it interesting, even though the focus had shifted to ring action and, as Mick Foley said in his second book, "nerdiness" with characters such as Angle (awesome at the time) and Edge and Christian. The worst thing about the "PG" label is that people know it exists, and thus judge the product accordingly. If we didn't know it was PG, and thus thought that something more could happen, I think people would be less judgemental about it.

Posted By: WV4Life (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 09:22 AM

 
 
I don't disagree with this article but, I was 12 when I discovered NWA and liked it more than WWF because it was edgier. Barbed wire 10,000 ladder matches between Dusty and Tully, bloody Bunk House Brawls o live tv!!I'm 38 and never tried to emulate the violence nor am I violent in life. I think PG with occasional hardcore adult elements are fine, my 5 year old isn't even aloud to play wwe games...maybe when shes 10...That being said, most responsible parents not allowing little ones to watch makes PG pointless really..

Posted By: Guest#0806 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 09:36 AM

 
 
So are we going to have a second column giving 8 reasons why WWE should ditch PG to even out the pathetic bias on this website?

Posted By: Guest#7256 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 09:43 AM

 
 
Great article. I 100% agree.

The violence, swearing, and shock TV of the Attitude Era were draws to get the fringe fans to watch, but they weren't the reason for high ratings. The excellent writing and characters were the backbone of the era and the reason so many people watched. And the competition between WCW and the WWF added fuel to the fire and created a wrestling boom. It is as simple as that.

The basics of wrestling are what all fans, young and old, will always love.


Posted By: Guest#4899 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:11 AM

 
 
Great comment by gpjunk. When or if you do have kids, don't shield them. Educate them.

Also, some of you mentioned the "anything can happen" vibe of the late 90s. The problem is that eventually "everything does happen" and you have to tone it back some or it loses it's luster.


Posted By: The Big Fat F*g (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:20 AM

 
 
I agree. It's easy to forget that the Attitude Era had a lot of stinkers too. The wrestling was at its worst (punch-kick) pointless gimmicks (Godfather, Val Venis, Head Cheese, Prince Albert) and horrible angles (Katie Vick anyone? And anything involving Mae Young). Steve Austin and the Rock just covered up for the stinkers. I actually prefer the post-Attitude and and post-Invasion Era myself.

Posted By: thisisntme (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:24 AM

 
 
I've been watching for almost 25 years now, and if I had kids, I wouldn't let them watch wrestling even if it was PG. I just don't think most kids can understand violence responsibly. Pro-wrestling itself isn't something that should be marketed towards kids. It wasn't until I cleared my teens was I able to grasp wrestling more maturely. I'm a fan of the Attitude Era, ECW and a few hardcore matches, but even then, I'd probably let my kids grow up watching something like Glee. Sorry, I probably have to give up my man card for that, but oh well, it's a moot debate since I don't plan on having kids. :)

Posted By: Guest#0592 (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 01:03 AM

I disagree with this. I watched wrestling for years and by 8 I knew it was fake but I still enjoyed it and didn't attempt a bunch of crazy shit at home. My brother, cousins, friends and I did "wrestle" but we also box in my garage and played football at the park every day so it was just a normal part of being a boy IMO.


Posted By: Guest#4767 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:33 AM

 
 
"I am going to try and respond calmly without attacking you but it is going to be difficult because remarks like this are everything I think is wrong with parenting in America. Your children understand what you teach them and if the concept you are trying to teach them is hard for them to understand that is a good thing because it means you are pushing their mental development and stretching their mental capacity. We need to get over the urge to protect our children from everything and instead teach them how to deal with everything. I have a six year old who watches wrestling and the Simpsons and the Daily Show with me. When a mature topic comes up I explain it to him as best I can and we have a discussion. The result is that he is a well behaved, thoughtful child who is outperforming his grade level in math and reading. The horror stories you hear about kids emulating violent video games and movies and hurting people while imitating professional wrestling are the result of lazy parenting and not because of the inability of the kids to deal with violence. Most children have a huge capacity to learn. We just don't take the time to teach.

My apologies if you aren't American but your attitude of protectiveness seems American."

Posted By: gpjunk (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 04:59 AM

411 what in the blue hell are you waiting to hire this guy!


Posted By: salax (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:37 AM

 
 
I don't think "this is as about as exciting as Marge Schott reading exerpts from Mein Kanmpf" would qualify as PG. Good job on the rest of the column though.

Posted By: A.C. Sativa (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:39 AM

 
 
OMG Logic... the 411 trolls can't handle it.

Posted By: Guest#8655 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:40 AM

 
 
The #1 point is purely theoretical. The writing hasn't improved a lick since they went PG. If anything, it's gotten worse.

Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:47 AM

 
 
Also, back in the Attitude Era, the vast majority of kids, including myself, still watched. They sold toys and shit back then, too. I was 7 back when I first started watching wrestling, in 1999.

Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:48 AM

 
 
I did not care for any of the Toy Story movies. Yes, you guys here think it's the best thing ever but not everyone feels that way.

I don't give a crap about a bunch of f***ing toys.


Posted By: Guest#3800 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:50 AM

 
 
I've always said....I DO NOT want the attitude era back per se, I just want wrestling to be INTRIGUING again. I love great matches and while we need them, for the most part it was always the MOMENTS that we remember. Sting dropping from the rafters, Austin destroying everything, what would happen next with the nWo, etc. For as many great matches that we had last year, the thing that set the wrestling world on fire was CM Punk grabbing a mic and running his mouth. It was intriguing,Raw felt like it was must-see again. I mean I practically said this guy was on his way to being the modern day Steve Austin as crazy as that sounded.....but alas, things went back to normal and Raw went back to something that I watched just because it was on. Everything is just too routine these days with TNA and WWE.

Posted By: wcwfan (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 11:07 AM

 
 
Great article, I agree with everything, the attitude era was 6 years out of the many decades WWE has been around, and these moronic internet fans fail to realize WWE was PG during the Hogan era

Posted By: Bill (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 11:23 AM

 
 
It all comes down to money. WWE wants advertising dollars, so that means being "harmless fun."
As much as Attitude fans loved that era, the general perception of the company was quite negative.

The problem is that WWE is overdoing the PG approach. If not for the fake fighting element, this product would be overwhelmingly G.

I agree with earlier comments that smart writing and displays of athleticism trump all. It's not like we don't have places to see violence and tits.

All due respect to the Toy Story comparison but I think WWE should look to Dreamworks cartoons for inspiration. Kung Fu Panda has fights in a fun and compelling manner. And Shrek has jokes and content suitable for kids, accompanied by content that only parents will "get."


Posted By: Guest#6750 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 11:28 AM

 
 
Another point on the merchandising angle. Kids grow. They need a new Cena T-Shirt every Christmas.

Also related to many of these points is what I call the "Disney Model". Disney doesn't care that kids outgrow their movies and toys. A new batch of kids is always coming along. They've extended it a bit with their sitcoms aimed at tweens, but the theory is the same. 20 years later those same people will be buying stuff for their own kids, including a lot of the exact same movies.


Posted By: Carl (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 11:54 AM

 
 
Great article. Point 8 is totally me. I'm 44 and a father of two girls under ten who have come to love watching WWE over the last year. I've been watching since I was 15 so I got hooked during the squeaky clean 80's boom and have been watching ever since.

Posted By: Scott (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:15 PM

 
 
"I liked Toy Story 3 but I didn't think the ending was sad like apparently everyone else (especially the girls) thought. I thought it was a fitting way to end the trilogy but nothing even close to cry about."

I'm assuming you're a young guy with no kids. I boohooed through the whole thing because I could see my kids growing up just like Andy did.
If you've never had any real life experience, you're probably looking at it from Andy's point of view (which is WooHoo Freedom!). If you're like me and have two darling babies that are growing up too fast then you'd have cried too.
Dang it, now I'm all teary-eyed. *sniff*


Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:26 PM

 
 
The only reason NWO worked was because of WWF. Had there been no opposing fed there wouldn't have been any interest in the NWO. That's why the WCW 'Invasion' didn't work, because everyone knew by then that it was ALL owned by Vince so there was no 'Gotta-Watch-and-See-How-They'll-Out-Do-Each-Other-Tonight' Phenomena.
Having only one major fed has hurt the overall business more than anything else.


Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 12:30 PM

 
 
its funny, just about everything you mentioned WWF had in the attitude era!!!

thing is they did it better, made more monwy, created bigger stars & had better ratings!


Posted By: Guest#7977 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:07 PM

 
 
I sometimes wonder if today's Raw viewership is not that far off from the Attitude Era.

When Impact went to Mondays, both shows' ratings went up significantly, IIRC. It's not like new fans materialized and then disappeared. Something about flipping back and forth must have an effect on the Nielsen system.


Posted By: Guest#8303 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 01:11 PM

 
 
Sure stay PG. It's alot easier to entertain 9 year olds than it is to entertain adults. What a joke. Wrestling has gone downhill ever since they banned blood, chair shots, and bra n panties matches. You can't tell me that the product is better than it was in 2001 at the hieght of the Attitude era.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 02:16 PM

 
 
"A Wrestlemania worthy of some attention:

-Cena vs. The Rock (WWE already bet the show on it carrying everything.

-Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

-HHH vs. Dolph Ziggler

-WWE Championship
CM Punk(c) vs. Sheamus

-World Heavyweight Championship
Daniel Bryan(c) vs. Cody Rhodes(c)

-US Championship
Jack Swagger(c) vs. Zack Ryder

-Chris Jericho vs. Big Show

-Divas Championship
Beth Phoenix(c) vs. Natalya

-MiTB
Mark Henry vs. Miz vs. Barrett vs. Kofi vs. Kane vs. ??? Vs. ??? Vs. ???

Posted By: scipio2009 (Guest) on February 09, 2012 at 08:12 AM"

Were you a booker for WCW in 2000? That has to be the worst lineup for a Mania I have ever seen! Don't quit that day job... if you even have one.


Posted By: Guest#9440 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 02:37 PM

 
 
There is a problem with you argument slick. The world was a different place in the mid 80s hulkamania era. There was no internet, family friendly shows like Cosby were the highest rated shows. Now people are watching shows like csi even kids watch more mature things now. Also kids don't buy ppv's adults with income do.

Posted By: Guest#6153 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 03:42 PM

 
 
A couple of points: 1. @Chris Stone: If Daniel Bryan hadn't choked out Justin Roberts with his tie, would you have been saying the next day "Gee, that the Nexus invasion was great, but what it really needed was Daniel Bryan to choke Justin Roberts out with his tie!"
2. @ Guest#9410 The current PG era started in 2008. It didn't start immediately when Cena won his first WWE title. Also, the funny thing about kids is that when one kid grows up and leaves the product, two more come and take his place. Like Byers said in his column, PPVs are essentially becoming obsolete. Merchandise is where the money is now.

In addition, kids don't buy PPVs and very few parents are willing to shell out $70 or whatever for WrestleMania if only the kids are going to watch it. They are also not going to spend $70 on WrestleMania if it's not something the kids can watch. PG allows the whole family to get involved.

Funny personal story, though: when I was a kid (in the 80s/early-90s), my parents would not buy the PPVs because they did not like wrestling (it would just be me and my brother watching, as we were the wrestling fans). I didn't see my first PPV until I was 16 (the 1998 Royal Rumble) and I had a job and could save up to buy it myself. So, yeah, where was I? Families like to justify big purchases like a wrestling PPV if they can all watch it together.


Posted By: Guest#3427 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 03:53 PM

 
 
Reading these comments about blood, all I can say is: what a bunch of fucking savages!

Ever see an amateur wrestling match? Not too much blood there. Newsflash: blood-borne diseases are a problem. Now, I know WWE does blood testing when a Superstar comes into the company, but let's say a wrestler has sex with a shady woman one night (shocking, I know), contracts HIV or something (let's say she didn't know she had it), bleeds all over fans and other wrestlers the next night and suddenly, you're getting sued and all hell breaks loose for the company.

An extreme example, I know, but blood would probably mean the wrestlers would need to get tested every show. It would just be too costly for them and it's just not a great idea.


Posted By: Guest#0929 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 04:11 PM

 
 
This article isn't worth the time it takes to read it. WWE PG FOR KIDZ~!~ is a bag of shit that needs to go to set the industry back on the right path.

Now, real-world PG? The one that would allow for a little bloodshed when it's warranted (say a PPV like Hell in a Cell marketed around ending blood feuds), and more wrestlers using real-life language (so we don't gasp when CM Punk says "bastard" or John Cena says "ass"). Or perhaps less intelligence-insulting gimmicks and characters like Hornswoggle, interactions with Muppets, or most things related to Michael Cole? That is completely fine and fits well with reasons to preserve the precious "PG" rating.


Posted By: Brad B (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 05:37 PM

 
 
I too agree with your reasoning. Number one in particular. WWE ratings are not down because of well, its own television rating. If storylines were more coherent, and had a purpose it shouldn't matter. My favorite movie of 2010, was Alpha and Omega, it did well critically due to emotion. If a story has emotion it should be able to reach any audience regardless the television rating. Overall G, PG, R, PG 13 whatever is inconsequential to the power of good story telling. If WWE saves John Cena's heel turn for WrestleMania, it's not too late its good booking. Cena can let the fans turn him once and for all through his match with The Rock. If Drew Mcyntire starts to reverse his fortunes and still acts like an arrogant prick, he can use his past history of poor management of his career to back up his new winning ways. If Kharma fights Kelly Kelly then faces Beth Phoenix two stories will be told. All in all it is about presentation, story, and the ability to follow it.

Posted By: Cannonite (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 05:51 PM

 
 
3 reasons they should ditch PG:

1. Ratings maybe steady but they're half what they were duting the attitude era peak
2. PPV Buyrates are getting worse every year, UFC are murdering them on PPV.
3. The share price is worth half what it was 10 years ago.

Not saying they need to go full on attitude era but the shows are just too cookie-cutter, they need to get their edge back & find a balance between then & now


Posted By: Guest#2308 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 06:10 PM

 
 
Wrestling is for kids basically.Its a fake sport,man...lol..That tells you everything right there..FAKE..SPORT?Storylines,characters,huge looking motherfucking that look like they are action figures come to life..?Who would eat that shit up more?Kids o Adults?

Common sense you should either A.flat out market to kids or B. at least be clean enough that the grown kids can watch..

Its a kids show and im not afraid to admit that.Its like you watch a DC animated flick on cartoon network batman or justice league or some shit like that...Its action packed and well written but im concsiout thats its for kids..they dont gotta show titties and have peoples heads ripped off or something...

Jeez..


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:13 PM

 
 
Peopl arent buying ppv's cuz of the economy and cuz there too many of them that run together to damn much.

If theyre gonna do 12 reduce the price on 4 of them at least.So they can keep up..I would cut down to 8 but that aint gonna happen..


Posted By: MacDOllarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:16 PM

 
 
Exactly you can be "PG" or non extreme and still be realistic and edgey..the NWO was a fcking gang!...

Look at the stuff they did with Nexus and now with Punk..It shouldbe that youre booking towards a general audience and not forcing the parents to tell therekids to change the channel..

Theres money in them booger eaters..lol..

How many grown ass men wear wrestling shirts publically..?How many buy action figures?..How many posters and misc merch?Only the hardcore fans and the PARENTS of the KIDS that really buy this..

PPV audience and DVDs you can say they wanna not alienate adults and the diehard fans but everything else...


Posted By: MacDOllarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:21 PM

 
 
They need to reach a middle ground the next few years...They should heading towards a point where theyre booking towards a general audience without having the extreme elements that will force the kids away...

Thats whats IMPACT should be doing iMO..be middle of the road..nothing wrong with Velvet sky shaking her ass but Tara being a quasi dyke is too much,feel me?


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:24 PM

 
 
People forget the other elements of the attitude era and why it wont work nowadays.

1.Desperation.

Everyone knew,even casual fans that WCW was fucking WWF/E in the ass big time and people tuned in to see a "clean" fed go dirty in order to compete..So it had that "rooting for the underdog" effect on people as well.

2.The Live EVent/Production Values of the era.

It was the place to be,even before business picked up for REAL for them in 99..People were buzzing how cool it was,how crazy the show was..Sunny,then Sable,Austin,DX the Rock,The music and jumbotron the intense crowds.

the WWF had INSANE heat and SUPERIOR production back then (as always) and they make crap Val Venis get over big time.

3.Crash TV was dominanting the ratings.

Jerry Springer,Real TV,Blind Date,Fear Factor etc...Was running shit on tv ..now its Real Housewife and other reality tv shows...

97-2001 was the perfct time to go "crash tv" and remember who the company was focused on back then?Austin and HBK...it fit them perfectley..

Attitude aint coming back in our lifetime anyways..its not fresh or new..thats like seeing a No DQ match or something nowadays?Who gaf?Weve seen that for ages...


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 07:34 PM

 
 
That Daniel Bryan tie choke thing wasnt extreme at all IMO.Thing is we havent seen it a while so it came off weird..lol..Also could have had people(especialy opponents to Lindas campaign) connecting that foolishly to the Benoit thing.

Away from that as a stand alone incident,it wasnt ovr the top IMO..Terry Funk trynna murder flair with a plasticbag colombian style was worse..lol..

IMO Extreme:Gun angle,Mae Young or Chyne as IC champion,Arquette,etc...Ridicolous and over the top violent crap that has nothing to do with with a pro-wrestling match..


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 08:06 PM

 
 
The main reason WWE should stay PG is that grown adults pay money to go see Toy Story in a theatre. Society has been so dumbed down that ADULTS are into Toy Story, Harry Potter, Shrek and other nonsense intended for CHILDREN.

Posted By: Guest#9163 (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 09:40 PM

 
 
I can deal with the continued PG product...As long as they up their game for PPV. ADULTS buy PPV. Very few parents will spend $50 a month so their kids can see the same shit (Parents opinion) that they see for free on TV. So give the adults who pay the bills a reason to order PPV. Let blood fly if the program calls for it. Let there be a few more chairshots. Let there be a bit more intense violence. Let a few choice words slip by. Etc...

Posted By: RobMinion (Guest)  on February 09, 2012 at 10:24 PM

 
 
Just a thought, at this moment the link for this article is sitting just to the left of a collection of Tori Wilson thong pics.

I don't actually have an argument, I'm just wondering if Toy Story 3 would have sold more tickets with Torrie Wilson thong pics.


Posted By: C.A. Bell (Registered)  on February 10, 2012 at 12:07 AM

 
 
And AJ Grey has a job here because he is posting ONLY PG things?

Posted By: Guest#4199 (Guest)  on February 10, 2012 at 04:49 PM

 
 
Nice read, i've been a fan for around 19 years i still enjoy the product today. Every era i have been through, has had not so great characters and sotrylines at times. And if anything the in ring action is just as good as ever if not better then before.

Posted By: Guest#8463 (Guest)  on February 10, 2012 at 10:21 PM

 
 
Nice read, i've been a fan for around 19 years i still enjoy the product today. Every era i have been through, has had not so great characters and sotrylines at times. And if anything the in ring action is just as good as ever if not better then before.

Posted By: Guest#7093 (Guest)  on February 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

 
 
Nice read, i've been a fan for around 19 years i still enjoy the product today. Every era i have been through, has had not so great characters and sotrylines at times. And if anything the in ring action is just as good as ever if not better then before.

Posted By: Guest#9821 (Guest)  on February 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

 
 
Wrestling Soup says you are an elitist douche.

Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on February 11, 2012 at 02:40 PM

 
 
People complaining about PG are just a bunch of whiny losers. Obviously they must be young or too idiotic because Nitro was PG for years before the horrible New Blood crap started

Posted By: Guest#5893 (Guest)  on February 11, 2012 at 04:54 PM

 


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