Wrestlings 4Rs PPV Edition 11.02.12: Monday Night Raw, Hell in a Cell & ROH TV Reviewed
Posted by Larry Csonka on 11.02.2012
Mick Foley returned and helped set the stage for the Survivor Series main event, CM Punk retained the WWE Title, Jay Lethal won Survival of the Fittest and more! Wrestling's 4R's breaks down the Right, the wRong and the Ridiculous of Monday Night Raw, Hell in a Cell & ROH TV!
How the 4R's of wRestling Work! Here is a quick explanation of the 4R's. The column will run TWO times a week, THREE if there is a PPV to review. We will group our feelings on the shows in various categories: The Right, the wRong and the Ridiculous. The Right is stuff that worked very well: a great promo, a great match and so on. PuRgatoRy is a section between the right and wrong. It shows equal traits from both sides that cannot be ignored and need discussed. It is not a bad place per say, as things can get remedied or go the wrong way the very next week. The wRong is what it sounds like: bad matches, bad or boring promos and so on. The Ridiculous is stuff that had no right on TV: Stupid angles and so on. And there is always a possibility of a 5th R, which is as bad as they come. This column is supposed to be analytical, and at the right time very critical of the shows, it was the whole reason it was created. This is not a "mark" column, nor a "smark" column, our goal is to analyze the show from many different fronts, reward the good and call out the bad. We will not apologize for our opinions, they are as they are, whether positive or negative.
By: Shawn S. Lealos
ROH Television 10.27.12: QUICK RESULTS:
- Briscoe Brothers def. Bravado Brothers
- Jay Lethal def. Davey Richards, Michael Elgin, Adam Cole, Roddy Strong and Mike Mondo
THE RIGHT: Recapping Survival of the Fittest - I love how they recapped these events with highlights. Here is what they showed:
* 2004: Bryan Danielson beat Austin Aries
* 2005: Roddy Strong beat Austin Aries
* 2006: Delirious beat Matt Sydal (Evan Bourne)
* 2007: Chris Hero beat Claudio Castagnoli
* 2009: Tyler Black beat Roddy Strong
* 2010: Eddie Edwards beat Kenny King
* 2011: Michael Elgin beat Kyle O'Reilly
Survival of the Fittest - This match was, in my opinion, one of the TV MOTY candidates. It had just about everything and everyone brought their all. People who claim that ROH no longer has much in the way of talent should watch this match. Mike Mondo, who is the lesser of all the men in the match, is a thousand times better than he ever was in the WWE and does some insane shit in his ROH matches. He pulled off a great moonsault onto the floor in this match before being the first man out. Next up, the Michael Elgin and Roddy Strong feud continued as Elgin cost Strong the match. Elgin then KILLED Adam Cole with a nice Elgin Bomb. Roddy came back and weakened Elgin, but it still took Davey Richards and Jay Lethal working together to eliminate him, helping Elgin remain a monster. That made it Davey against Lethal at the end and the locker room cleared out to watch the end. Lethal ended up winning and looked really good in doing so. Davey botched one spot at the end, but it never hurt this match at all. The right man won, everyone gave their all, and this was a fantastic television match.
PURGATORY: Briscoe Brothers vs. Bravado Brothers - A problem I have with the Bravado Brothers right now is that every match, numerous times, Kevin Kelly keeps telling us how this is a different team. They went to Japan, they trained, they became more disciplined and they are much improved. And then, every match, they lose. They actually had the advantage late in this match but lose because of a miscommunication. Look, if the Bravado Brothers are so improved, push them. Otherwise, shut up about them because you are pushing a team vocally but not actually pushing them at all.
THE WRONG: The Headbangers - When Truth Martini first brought in the Disciples of Truth, I said if they weren't a blockbuster team, it would end up being a disappointment. Well, much like the Bravado Brothers, there was a ton of hype behind them but they lost and lost and lost. Well, this week they came out and quit the House of Truth, said they were former WWF tag team champions and then unmasked to show they were the Headbangers. Yea. Well, the Briscoe Brothers told them until you proved yourself as a tag team in Ring of Honor, you ain't done shit. That may not be true, but in this case what have The Headbangers done lately? They came across as a little psycho, but their promo and challenge made me not care about them at all. This introduction was a total failure.
THE RIDICULOUS: Nothing
The tag team match was only so-so and the Headbangers left a lot to be desired when they finally unmasked. However, that Survival of the Fittest match was amazing and really was one of the best free TV matches I have seen this year. That alone makes this show worth recommending. Great stuff.
Unfortunately, when all was said and done, the WWE HIAC PPV was the definition of a show you could skip and not feel bad at all about it. There was one bad match (the ladies) and one really good match (Show vs. Sheamus), but the rest of the show was your typical, run of the mill match you can see on WWE programming any day of the week. And that's not the way a PPV should be, but that is exactly what it was, and when the show was complete, I felt bad that I spent my money on it. The opener is good, the tag title match is fine but leaves you feeling a bit screwed with the DQ finish, Kofi and Miz is fine but they have done better, US Title match wasn't needed and no one cared because they didn't advertise it. The added tag match was fine, Show and Sheamus was easily the best thing on the show, the ladies were on different pages of different books, and then there was the main event.
As for the main event, all we heard all week is that they had plans, lot of plans, for how to work a good finish. The match was one-part smoke, one-part mirrors, and one-part no faith in Ryback. His booking in the bout was laughable, beat up Punk, run into something, beat u Punk, get hit by something, beat up Punk, run into something, beat up Punk, low blow, screw job pin. This guy has been a part of the WWE Machine for EIGHT YEARS, and they had no faith in his work to do anything, no even try to do some basic work.
Also, the finish of the main event was transparent in its meaning. They had nothing better to do, they didn't want to beat Punk (which I agree with), but they wanted everyone to forget Ryback "lost." So he destroys the referee, chases Punk on top of the cell, gives his finish and stands tall. It was ok, fine, passable, but added to the show we had been presented with, just makes the whole package not a good one. As I say below, if you tae into account the match builds, the match quality, crowd reactions to matches and angles, the overall booking, how the PPV leads into the future and PPV price, this was not a good show.
SHOW RATING: 5.0
What the numbers mean..
0 - 0.9: Torture 1 - 1.9: Extremely Horrendous 2 - 2.9: Very Bad 3 - 3.9: Bad 4 - 4.9: Poor 5 - 5.9: Not So Good 6 - 6.9: Average 7 - 7.9: Good 8 - 8.9: Very Good 9 - 9.9: Amazing 10: Virtually Perfect
As a reminder, this is not a basic "how good was the show" number like a TV show, as I have always felt that a PPV is very different from a regular show. I have always judged PPV on how they built to a match, the match quality, crowd reactions to matches and angles, the overall booking, how the PPV leads into the future, PPV price and so on and so forth. I have added this in here for an explanation since so many have asked, and I have previously discussed it on podcasts. I understand that this may seem different, but that is how I grade. Obviously your criteria may be different.
By: Tony Acero
WWE RAW 10.29.12: QUICK RESULTS
- Ryback Defeated JTG [NR]
- Randy Orton Defeated Wade Barrett [**1/2]
- Team Hell No Defeated The Prime Time Players [*1/2]
- Kofi Kingston Defeated Antonio Cesaro via DQ [*]
- 3MB Defeated Santino Marella and Zack Ryder [1/2*]
- AJ Defeated Beth Phoenix [*****]
- Beth Phoenix Defeated AJ [NR]
- The Rhodes Scholars Defeated Sin Cara and Rey Mysterio [***]
- Alberto Del Rio Defeated Justin Gabriel [*1/2]
THE RIGHT: IT'S ALL ABOUT TRADITION: To start the show, we went back to the tried and true formula of opening with a promo. In this case, it didn't bother me much, considering there was much to be said after a PPV the previous night. CM Punk came out to gloat and to make note of various callbacks from Maddox's previous mistake to Mick Foley's ridicule at the hands of Punk. If anything, the promo showed that the WWE seems to be trying to create longer-term stories, and even if we don't like them, we have to applaud the efforts. I, for one, don't mind the whole Foley vs. Punk for Survivor Series, as I've always enjoyed the traditional style match. One thing that really got me - and I've seen this complaint already - is the way it was set up. Really, once Punk's team was announced, it was almost obvious who they would be going up against. That's fine - if it was sold that way, but it was sold as if Heyman and Foley were going to pick based on their own decisions, not on the fact that each man had a feud with the opposing side. Again, I'm ok with the decision, not with the presentation.
ORTON VS BARRETT: Poor Barrett would probably have served better on the Foley team than Del Rio, but it appears that we're stalling the Barrett Barrage one more time for the sake of Del Rio. If they continue to keep Wade somewhat strong, then it's going to be alright, but I feel they may be shunning him without a program within these three weeks. At any rate, the match between him and Orton was a good one, even if the second half was rather formulaic. I think a longer, and more unique match between the two would work, but this was a nice opening match for the show.
CARA/MYSTERIO VS RHODES SCHOLARS: This was a bit different than the earlier match between Hell No and Prime Time Players, and with great results. Cody and Sandow are gelling well as a team, and Rey and Cara tend to bring out goodness in their opponents, even if at times they seem slower than they should be. All in all, it was a good match that keeps these two teams in the minds of fans, and shows that they still have some semblance of emphasis on the tag team division.
PURGATORY: AJ/CENA/VICKIE: Never mind the fact that I am currently in the midst of TNA's little love quarrel, this thing is stupid without that personal additive. First of all, Vickie's presence in the authority role is great, because she's so easy to hate, but it makes no sense when compared to why AJ resigned. Is it truly an "affair" if both parties are single? No, it's not. Vickie is widely known for her relationship with Edge, her on and off again make out sessions with Dolph, and her "fraternizing" is just as suspect as AJ's. So, from a storyline perspective, it makes little sense. Aside from that, it's just stupid and not something I want to see. Truly, the only reason this isn't wRong is due to the fact that we'll get to see AJ in the ring once again! Not only am I a fan of her facial structure, eyes, and taut body, but she's pretty badass in the ring as well, and I can't wait to see it....(if they allow us to, of course).
KOFI VS CESARO: While I didn't really have a problem with this match, I also didn't really see the point. It could have potentially been a big deal with the entire "Champ vs. Champ" thing going on, but they opted to make it mean pretty much nothing, and since neither man could lose without hurting themselves, we ended in about 2 1/2 mins with a DQ. Again, it didn't offend me or anything, but just came off rather pointless.
DEL RIO, MEET GABRIEL: It appears that Gabriel's push is done, and Del Rio's will continue at a snail's pace. This doesn't really change anything in the grand scheme of things, but at the very least it was the start of a good match between the two.
THE WRONG: 3MB: This is one of those things that you're either going to enjoy because you think it's funny, or lambast because you think it's retarded. I tend to fall into the latter category, and I think that anyone who finds this funny needs to get their head checked. Truly, the only hilarity that comes from this is Drew McIntyre trying so hard. I've never been a fan of Heath, and Jinder is soooo out of his element that it's laughable. Here's the thing; the last thing I want Jinder in is a generic terrorist heel, and some can say that this dissuades from that, but I don't completely agree. The little segment they did means they're getting some sort of push, and I suppose any push is a good one, but this just comes off as annoying to me.
THE RIDICULOUS: NOTHING
Although we set up the main event or Survivor Series, this seemed like a show where nothing too important happened, as realized by the number of items in puRgatory. I hope AJ gets some ring time, I imagine we'll see a mixture of the Survivor Series teams going at it, and I assume that the tag team division will live on, but we'll see if there's anything spectacular in the coming weeks.
SHOW RATING: 7.0
YEAR IN REVIEW (PPV) by Csonka: TOP PPVs:
* New Japan Pro Wrestling's King of Pro Wrestling iPPV - 9.5
* ROH Glory By Honor iPPV - 8.5
* Chikarasaurus Rex: How to Hatch a Dinosaur iPPV 8.4
* TNA Destination X 8.3
* DGUSA Open the Ultimate Gate 2012 iPPV - 8.2
* DGUSA Mercury Rising 2012 iPPV - 8.1
* WWE Extreme Rules - 8.0
* EVOLVE 13 iPPV - 8.0
* ROH Border Wars iPPV - 8.0
* WWE WrestleMania 28 - 7.9
* DGUSA Enter the Dragon Gate 2012 iPPV - 7.8
* TNA Hardcore Justice 7.7
* DGUSA Untouchable 2012 iPPV - 7.6
* ROH Best in the World iPPV - 7.5
* TNA Bound for Glory 7.5
* ROH 10th Anniversary iPPV - 7.4
* TNA Slammiversary 7.4
* ROH Showdown in the Sun: Night One iPPV - 7.4
* EVOLVE 12 iPPV - 7.3
* TNA Sacrifice 7.2
* EVOLVE 16 iPPV - 7.1
* WWE Money in the Bank - 7.0
* EVOLVE 17 iPPV - 7.0
* EVOLVE 14 iPPV - 7.0
* EVOLVE 11 iPPV - 7.0
* ROH Boiling Point iPPV - 7.0
* WWE Summerslam - 6.9
* EVOLVE 15 iPPV - 6.8
* TNA No Surrender 6.7
* WWE Night of Champions - 6.6
* TNA Victory Road 6.5
* TNA Against All Odds 6.5
* WWE Over the Limit - 6.5
* CZW Down with the Sickness iPPV 5.0
* TNA Genesis 5.0
* WWE Royal Rumble - 5.0
* WWE Hell in a Cell - 5.0
* WWE No Way Out - 4.9
* WWE Elimination Chamber - 4.0
* TNA Lockdown 3.0
TOP PPV MATCHES:
* From NJPW King of Pro Wrestling iPPV - Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Minoru Suzuki [*****]
* From The ROH Showdown in the Sun: Night Two iPPV ROH Title Match: Davey Richards vs. Michael Elgin [****¾]
* From The ROH Glory By Honor iPPV ROH Title Match:
Kevin Steen vs. Michael Elgin [****¾]
* From WWE Over the Limit - WWE Title Match: CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan [****½]
* From WWE WrestleMania 28 - Hell in a Cell: The Undertaker vs. Triple H [****½]
* From DGUSA's Untouchable 2012 - CIMA and AR Fox vs. El Generico and Samuray Del Sol [****½]
* From The ROH Glory By Honor iPPV Jay Lethal vs. Davey Richards [****¼]
* From WWE Night of Champions WWE Title Match - John Cena vs. CM Punk [****¼]
* From DGUSA's Enter the Dragon Gate 2012 iPPV I QUIT Match: Johnny Gargano vs. Chuck Taylor [****¼]
* From TNA Slammiversary Tag Team Title Match: Kaz and Daniels vs. Kurt Angle and AJ Styles [****¼]
* From WWE Extreme Rules - World Title Match: Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus [****¼]
* From DGUSA's Mercury Rising 2012 - Low Ki, BxB Hulk and Akira Tozawa vs. Ricochet, PAC and Mazaaki Mochizuki [****¼]
* From EVOLVE 11 iPPV Fit Finlay vs. Sami Calihan [****¼]
* From TNA Destination X TNA Title Match Austin Aries vs. Bobby Roode [****¼]
* From TNA Bound for Glory Street Fight Bobby Roode vs. James Storm [****]
* From TNA Bound for Glory World Title Match Austin Aries vs. Jeff Hardy [****]
* From NJPW King of Pro Wrestling iPPV - Low Ki vs. Kota Ibushi [****]
* From NJPW King of Pro Wrestling iPPV - Kazuchika Okada vs. Karl Anderson [****]
* From TNA No Surrender AJ Styles and Kurt Angle vs. Christopher Daniels and Kazarian [****]
* From TNA Hardcore Justice Bound for Glory Series Ladder Match AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe [****]
* From TNA Hardcore Justice TNA Title Match Austin Aries vs. Bobby Roode [****]
* From DGUSA's Enter the Dragon Gate 2012 iPPV - Open the United Gate Tag Team Title Match: AR Fox and CIMA vs. Rich Swann and Ricochet [****]
* From WWE Extreme Rules John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar [****]
* From WWE Money in the Bank- WWE Title Match: Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk [****]
* From WWE Extreme Rules - WWE Title Match: Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk [****]
* From EVOLVE 11 iPPV Low Ki vs. El Generico [****]
* From EVOLVE 13 iPPV El Generico vs. Sami Calihan [****]
* From DGUSA's Untouchable 2012 - Open the Freedom Gate Title Match Johnny Gargano vs. Akira Tozowa [****]
* From DGUSA's Mercury Rising 2012 - Open the Freedom Gate Title Match Johnny Gargano vs. Masato Yoshino [****]
* From DGUSA's Open the Ultimate Gate 2012 - Open the United Gate Tag Title Match: Chuck Taylor vs. Johnny Gargano vs. Ricochet and Masato Yoshino [****]
* From DGUSA's Open the Ultimate Gate 2012 Akira Tozowa vs. Masaaki Mochizuki [****]
* From WWE WrestleMania 28 - WWE Title Match: CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho [****]
* From The ROH Best in the World iPPV - Hybrid Fighting Rules: Adam Cole vs. Kyle O'Reilly [****]
* From The ROH Showdown in the Sun: Night One iPPV Last Man Standing Match Kevin Steen vs. El Generico [****]
* From TNA Sacrifice AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle [****]
* From TNA Destination X Last Man Standing Match - AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels [****]
* Chikarasaurus Rex: How to Hatch a Dinosaur iPPV Ladder Match: Gran Akuma vs. Icarus [****]
* From EVOLVE 17 iPPV Samuray Del Sol vs. El Generico [****]
* From EVOLVE 15 iPPV Samuray Del Sol vs. El Generico [****]
* From EVOLVE 14 iPPV Samuray Del Sol vs. El Generico [****]
* From DGUSA's Enter the Dragon Gate 2012 iPPV I QUIT MATCH: Johnny Gargano vs. Chuck Taylor [****]
* From DGUSA's Enter the Dragon Gate 2012 iPPV Open the United Gate Tag Team Title Match: AR Fox and CIMA vs. Rich Swann and Ricochet [****]
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