Ask 411 Wrestling 07.26.06: Joe, Reckless Youth, No Way Out, More...
Posted by Chris Clarke on 07.26.2006
So – who is your favourite? Samoa Joe, or Samoan Joe? What? You didn’t know there were two Joes from Samoa? You’d better read this column then! Oh – and someone wants to talk Screwjob again!
Time for another wonderful edition of Ask 411. Thank you all for your questions, as I've got a bunch in the que and am always looking for more. Keep on sending them in please, and don't ever hesitate to write in corrections!
Ed note: Thanks to everyone who wrote in to point out that I forget Kenny of the SS was 19 when he had his title shot against Cena. Boy, do I feel stupid!
Troy notes the history of the original "Samoan Joe": In response to your request for information on Samoan Joe (who was a popular babyface in the New Zealand territories) my colleague Steve "The ‘Ost" Ogilvie offered this:
"His name was Joe Afamasaga and he worked as an undercard babyface for Steve Rickard and possibly some of the other promoters of the time. He was a household name because he was featured on On The Mat (an old prime time wrestling show broadcast in New Zealand a couple decades ago) a lot, usually the guy the top heel would go over before fighting Steve Rickard or whomever was the babyface on top. I think he lives in Australia now."
I hope that clears it up for you.
New Zealand Pro Wrestling Informer
411's own Meehan wants to talk title reigns: Normally I think you're absolutely spot-on with your research and your answers to the plethora of wrestling questions that pours through the hallowed halls of 411, but one little throwaway comment in last week's column caught my eye…
Chris writes: I was surfing the pages of Obsessed with Wrestling not too long ago, and came across the page of one Jerry Lawler. When I scrolled down to the titles section, I was quite amazed. That's a lot of titles. I actually didn't even bother to count, take a look yourself. But I was wondering, is that some kind of record?
Ask 411: Probably, but I don't count it. One cannot hold a record for World Title wins, when you're the freakin' BOOKER/OWNER of the fed you're winning them in!
Not to belabor a point, but I think it's beyond fair to say that ANY world title holder in contention for most wins ever has, at one point or another, booked himself a title run or two to help pad out that resume. It's almost expected that the booker will, at one time or another, cave to temptation and book themselves into Championship glory. Vince McMahon and Vince Russo did it (in WWF and WCW, respectively), Antonio Inoki and Giant Baba have each done it, and the list goes on. Dusty put himself over so many times that they termed a screwy-protect-the-champ finish in his honor. Flair was WCW's head booker for a good chunk of the early 90's, and Nash did the same for the end of that decade (not coincidentally, both won titles during their tenures in charge). Hogan (though never an "official" booker) totally had Vince's ear for the better part of ten years. And heck, even Triple H – though also never *technically* a booker himself – pretty well wrote his own championship reigns thanks to the off-screen power bloc of the McMahon/Helmsley Regime.
So yeah, not to say that you're wrong to exclude Jerry Lawler from the list of most title reigns ever… but again, if you're disqualifying people who've booked their way to the top at one time or another (as opposed to earning it the old fashioned way), then you've simply got to expand your list of ineligible performers. (Ed note: while there is a big difference between a booker and an owner, the point is well taken. Your exact point is why people laugh at Hunter and Jarrett wracking up the wins – but you can't slam Flair man – he's the real deal.)
Elvis found Reckless Youth!: April 8, 2006--Liberty States Wrestling: Eric Matlock defeated Tom Carter.... (a.k.a. Reckless Youth)
You asked "Where is he now?" so, for fun, I checked and this was all I could find.
Thanks to www.obsessedwithwrestling.com
OH?! That was a rhetorical question?! You were proving a point?!? Never mind ...
Kobie talks Kronik: Kronik were not released as a result of a match between them and the APA.
It was the Undertaker and Kane who were the other culprits in that one. As a side note, there's nobody who did anything worthwhile in that match. (Unforgiven 2001). Brian Adams did refuse OVW, but Clarke went for a few weeks before fading away. Kronik re-teamed somewhere later, but I don't have the details. (Ed note: pretty sure Adams reported, Clarke refused actually…)
Chris points out a slipup: Paul Wight is the real name of current ECW champion (First US major triple crown champion) Big Show. The best actor in "Jingle all the Way" ;-)
Charles Wright aka The Soultaker, Papa Shango, Kama "the Supreme Fighting Machine", Kama "The Godfather" Mustafa, The Godfather/ The Goodfather. (my favorite incarnation was The Soultaker . . . Papa Shango was just a slight twist on that. If you can get your hands on any of his GWF matches, it's worth a look.)
Natguy found Kid Romeo!: Recently, TNAWrestlingNews.com has reported that Kid Romeo is trying to get work in TNA. He is working as an exterminator and he wants that to be his gimmick.
Larry doesn't like my Hogan comments: Hogan is doing this current angle to both get a big pay day AND more importantly helping his daughter's career. It won't work, of course, because WWE fans could care less. But Hogan's main motive for coming around this time is for the benefit of his daughter. And, hey, I'll be the first to admit that Hogan has done some low, slime-ball things throughout his career to further his (savvy move by him), but to say that he only cares for himself, and that's it (implying that he doesn't care about his children or their well being) is a low ball jab.
Get with it.
(Ed note: you forgot the BRUTTTTTTHHHEERRRR, Mr. Bollea)
Daddy Long goes long with his dislike of my work!: Hey, I know the Ask411 column must be tough and all, answering so many questions, but for crying out loud man, you really get under my skin with some of the things you answer. I swear I have nothing better to do today, so here's a few of those little things I believe to be just assumptions on your part.
Brook asked what happened to the Sheik, you said he is dead and THAT is why Sabu points to the sky. Not true as Sabu used to point up when Sheik accompanied him to the ring back in WCW in 95. Maybe he's pointing to his messiah or whatever, but it's just something he does and did long before Sheik passed. (Ed note: should have qualified that it has BECOME a tribute)
You really didn't answer Steve's question on who was supposed to be a higher power, you just dodged around saying booking meetings change all the time, which is something he probably already knew. If he wants to know who was rumored at the time, I remember reading it was gonna be Jake Roberts, another rumour going around was a debuting Chris Jericho under the name"X-caliber", which I don't believe was even possible because I think he was still under contract to WCW. Anyways, there's somewhat of an answer. (Ed note: none of those you mention were ever even close to being confirmed, and that Jericho one is just – wow – that's Keller-esqe)
Vanilla Midget was invented on the internet, I remember hearing the term when Nash was still Diesel, so I doubt him and Hogan hooked up and cooked it up together, I don't recall hearing them say it on the air, but if they did, a lot of wrestlers in the 90's took terms from dirts. Brian Pillman calling fans Smart marks, Rock took Jabronie, Marc Mero called Tom Brandi a jobber, anyways I'm sure there are a lot more but twas the style of the time. (Ed Note: ‘fraid not)
Venis and Godfather WERE a team, for quite a few months too, I think in
about 1999. (Ed note: my comment was that they were never a named team)
Crash Holly MAY have commited suicide, but you shouldn't say that considering nobody really knows whether it was an accidental OD or not, your giving a false impression to people who don't know any better. (Ed note: look up the coroner's report)
So you worked for the LAW, and a couple of folks told you that Dusty was racist. I really don't believe that as I have read millions of insider stories and such for 15 years and not once have heard the slightest indication of that until I read your column. Did Tom Zenk tell you that? He used to stop by the LAW quite a bit, sounds like something he would say, unfortunately he's usually described as the type that would dig a needle out of a trash can and says a lot of fictional things. (Ed note: yeah, he was one, but he certainly wasn't the originater)
Chris Williams points out a few things: As for the 'Who Ran Over Stone Cold' question, like you said, the original culprit was apparently going to be The Rock, setting up a Face Austin V Heel Rock match at Wrestlemania. However, it became clear that after Austin's big return, The Rock was the more popular of the two, so they decided not to turn The Rock, and eventually book a face v face match for Wrestlemania. So Triple H stepped in as the mastermind behind the plot, as they needed a big name to feud with Austin throughout the Autumn.
The Bossman quote involving Big Show's father was actually from an episode of Raw in Spring/Summer 2000. Like you suspected, Kurt was feuding with Show at the time, and Show had been booked in a handicap match with Big Show and Bull Buchanan. Kurt was in the back, psyching up Bossman and Bull, when Bossman delivered the line. I remember it specifically for Kurt's hilarious no sell of Bossman's bragging. Anyways, if the person really wants to find out which episode it was from, (s)he should probably check out CRZ's Raw recaps at www.slashwrestling.com, and check the May/June ish epsiodes until they find one with a Big Show V Bossman/Buchanan match.
Vince Russo wrote the whole Greater Power angle, but left for WCW before the angle came to its conclusion. So Vince McMahon and the WWE creative team had no idea who the Greater Power was meant to be. They asked Mick Foley to take one for the team, but he was more over as a face than he'd ever been in his career, and sensibly turned the spot down. So McMahon really had no other option that to take the role on himself, even though it made very little sense. Knowing Russo, who was reportedly booking shows on a napkin the morning before the show, I doubt he had any idea who the Greater Power was going to be, also. Interestingly, on Nitro that week, Eric Bischoff on commentary haphazardly mentioned something about how people shouldn't watch Raw, as the Greater Power's initials were "VKM". He had no way of knowing this, but it was fairly obvious, given the state of booking disarray the company was in at the time.
hunter talks higher power: In the 7/19 edition of Ask 411, "Steve" asked about the "Higher Power" angle the WWF ran in 1999 involving Vince McMahon, Steve Austin, the Undertaker, and the Corporate Ministry, in which Undertaker revealed Vinny Mac as his "Greater Power" (or "Higher Power" if you prefer, they changed the name multiple times during the angle itself.) "Steve" wondered if the angle was originally supposed to have Vince as the Power, or if he was just a cop-out answer in the end.
From Scott Keith's book "Tonight...In This Very Ring:"
"...they didn't actually have anyone to be the so-called 'Greater Power'...The choices came down to one logical choice and two illogical ones. The logical one was Mick Foley, who would be reenergized by a heel turn and programmed again with Steve Austin in the main event. However, Foley didn't want to be a heel again with no buildup, so he declined. The next choice was Steve Austin, and considering that he was standing right there when the Greater Power appeared and was supposed to be his biggest enemy...well, I won't even finish the thought...Needless to say, there was only one real choice left, no matter how dumb it actually ended up being in retrospect: Vincent K McMahon."
So technically, this Russo plan (and yes, it was Vince Russo behind this angle...what a shocker, huh?) didn't have an ending to begin with, much like the majority of Russo's ideas, but the logical choice at the time was Foley, who declined the offer, apparently.
Aleksandr hooks us up: And speaking of dubious legalities and wrestling matches, here's a link to Goldberg vs. Regal from 1998. ;)
It really doesn't come off like anything major, unless you know the back story. Then it's kinda funny. Poor Bill.
Jimmy K points out a few things: You forgot to mention the whereabouts of Stevie Ray. Last I had heard, he was training wrestlers in his hometown of Houston, TX. Booker T was associated with the school in name as well and "was and will" probably join the school after his retirment. (Booker was planning retirement before Sharmell was brought in and the King Booker angle started and he's been having more fun again.) Here's the school info (that I can find anyway, I had been to a webpage before)
Booker T & Stevie Ray Pro Wrestling Academy
Houston, TX 77251
The supposed Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michael ladder match DID take place in '92. It took place at a house show and was released on the VHS tape "Smack 'Em Whack 'Em". Honestly, and this is my opinion, as I've watched it to or three times... it's not that great. The ladder wasn't really used in any innovative ways and more or less limited them. The main psychology was one slowly crawling the ladder, then the other. More of a brawl than their other matches and nowhere as good as either of the HBK vs. Razor ladder matches... or about any other ladder match in a major promotion that I've seen.
Oh, and keep up the good work. ...Anyone who expects someone to answer every
question perfectly is a big stupid dummy. There was only one Mr. Perfect.
john talks TV tapings: I just read Evild complain about the brand split, saying "Why doesn't the WWE just do a 3 hour raw and a two hour smackdown".
I can tell you from experience that it's an interesting idea, but won't work.
I was at the Nassau Coliseum back when WCW had Nitro and then a Thunder taping right afterwards.
About a third of the crowd had left after Nitro, and they were pumping in cheers over the loud speakers.
It was very odd hearing a crowd cheer, only to look around at several hundred people sitting down and just watching.
I believe this was the 2nd show WCW put on at the Coliseum during the Monday Night Wars, so the place filled up with people for Nitro.
Most fans just can't handle long wrestling shows, especially on a Monday.
Jim Murphy brings up another point about SS: I love your Q&A column. I read with interest the responses about Ultimate Warrior winning the IC belt
from Honky Tonk Man.
This was not a ?that night? decision by Vince. I attended a TV taping a couple weeks before Summerslam in Providence RI. The very first match of the night went down exactly like the match at Summerslam. Honky challenged anyone in the back to a match, Warrior runs down and gets the squash. It was a definite holy shit
They taped a few segments with Warrior as champion, and near the end of the night, it was announced that the match was not sanctioned for the title, and Honky would remain as IC Champ.
Beefcake was definitely being built up to take the title from Honky at SS, but that is when he suffered his parasailing injury. (Ed note: Not sure if they were at the same time, or if it happened later actually…)
I remember this vividly since that taping and what ended up on TV turned me into a ?smart? fan.
Matt needs to rant: I'm writing to address soemthing I hear mentioned frequently in the IWC. Many of the so-called "smart" fans rant incessantly about some things, and I think sometimes their passion overrides common sense.
There's been a lot of griping going on about the new ECW and the "extreme rules" matches, or the lack thereof.
The reason WWE limits the number of extreme rules matches is because they are a huge corporation. Huge corporations focus on profit and loss, certainly, but there's one thing all large corporations have to focus on in this day and age, whether you're talking WWE or Wal-Mart, and that's LIABILITY.
Paul Heyman's faithful team put their bodies on the line each and every week back in the day. Many of them still bear the scars, limps, and permanent damage suffered by those days as well. As we all know, eventually Paul couldn't even PAY his guys in the end, and I'm sure many of those guys could've used that money to pay their medical bills.
Corporations have huge legal departments that analyze everthing: how much will this cost, what are the risks legally, how much will this hurt us if something goes wrong, etc. WWE is probably not willing to take the risk of having 4 or 5 "extreme" matches a night simply due to the amount of risk they would be taking. One extreme match, and you have two guys that may end up in the hospital later. Five extreme matches, and the possibility goes to TEN! That's some major expense risk if there are too many insane bumps. Some of these guys are also making decent paychecks now, and the company has too much invested to risk severe long-term injury to the talent.
They also don't want to leave the door open for any possible lawsuits. Some of those moves can definitely end a career if they are blown. The last thing they need is for someone to stand up and say, "I'm suing you because Sabu blew that DDT through the table and ended my career, and you guys booked it as extreme rules in the first place."
The last thing they also need is for a fan to get hit by a flying chair, flying debris, or for someone to get their eye taken out by a wayward thumbtack. This stuff has happened, and whether warned or not, the promotion is liable for the safety of the fans. Does this take the fun out of it? Kill the fantasy a bit? Yes, but it's totally logical.
I used to work for a big store chain, and even when there was a "Wet Floor" sign by a cleaned up spill, we were still required to stand there and vocally warn people about the spot. Why? Liability.
TIME FOR 10 QUESTIONS! (sorry for the truncated version – computer issues this week!)
Dan writesAlong time ago DX was in a tag match with some other faction in a hardcore match. DX had a mystery opponent for the main event. It ended up being Savio Vega. Who was it originaly suppose to be and what happened?
Ask 411 I believe you're thinking of No Way Out 1998 – which was the last PPV before the Austin v. HBK WrestleMania 14 main event. DX did not have a mystery opponent, but they had a surprise partner. (Of note – the Outlaws were NOT part of DX at this point – that happened the RAW after Mania 14)
The match was originally supposed to be HBK/HHH/Outlaws vs. Austin/Owen Hart/Cactus Jack/Terry Funk. But, as we all know, HBK had a serious back injury after his casket match /w Undertaker at Royal Rumble ‘98 the month before. But Vince, being the honest businessman that he was, did not tell the audience that HBK couldn't go at the PPV, so they played it off that HBK no-showed because he felt like he shouldn't have to work Austin prior to Mania. Los Boricuas (led by Savio) had been helping DX out in the past while (including a run-in on Shawn's behalf in the prior-mentioned casket match), so Savio was HBK's last-minute substitute in the main event. Quite the ripoff eh?
Also – of note – that main event was the first time barbed wire was used in the WWE – Savio wrapped up Cactus during the match.
Keith Black asks: My question pertains to the infamous Screwjob of 1997 (as if you don't get enough of those). I was 11 when the screwjob happened, and so I wasn't big in the IWC, and I still am not big. But, as a Bret Hart fan, I've done my research and a lot comes to mind about the whole events that transpired.
Firstly, do you think the whole event is a work? I've seen some evidence pointing in either direction, just curious to get your imput.
When Bret had to make a decision about his future in the WWF, he was (obviouslly) offered a contract by Bischoff which was supposedly ridiculous. Bret called Vince, asking what his (Bret's) future would be in the next year should he stay. Now, supposedly, Vince wanted him to job at SS, job in a 4 way the next night on Raw, again to Shawn, job in a ladder match at the Rumble, then win the belt in a "Bret Leaves Town" match, only to drop it a month later. Several things strike me as odd about this scenario.
For one, why couldn't Bret just win (perhaps with some help from Owen/Bulldog) at SS, only to drop the title in the planned four way to Shawn, in which Bret wouldn't even need to be pinned, which would set up a rematch at the Rumble (which Bret could job), setting up the rest of the calendar that Vince had laid out. Wouldn't that please everyone involved? And why have Bret even win the title back, jobbing in spots he didn't want to, just to drop it to Austin in a month?
Bret, obviouslly not in favor of jobbing 4 times, chose WCW. Vince (as per usual) changed his mind about the SS finish and supposedly wanted to do a "screwjob" type angle, where Bret would get screwed, only to show up on Raw, blame Shawn for the mess, level him and leave (perhaps getting "fired"). Why didn't Bret care for this angle? Or was it Shawn who didn't care for it?
Also, why did Vince allow Shawn and HHH so much power over booking? Doesn't he have a booking team for that? The fact is no one would know Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart were it not for Vince's company, so why should they dictate so much?
With all that being said, doesn't Vince's idea for a screwjob angle kind of make you wonder if the whole real screwjob is a work? I mean, Vince gets what he wants (the screwjob angle, set up as the evil boss for McMahon v. Austin), Shawn gets what he wants (the belt) and in a way Bret gets what he wants (technically
doesn't actually "lose" in Montreal, tons of momentum into his new job). Also, the hate between Shawn and Bret is well documented. These guys didn't like each other anyway, and this work (if it is as such) just gives them more reason not to speak to each other.
ask 411: It lives somewhere between 100% work and 100% shoot. My personal opinion from my own research and look into is that HBK, HHH, Vince, Earl, and backstage people were all in on it as it happened. Bret was in on it in another fashion. The whole "it's going to be a DQ finish" is bull. Bret was looking for controversy and some kind of funny finish, however, it did not turn out the way that Bret expected it to. So while Bret was in on some kind of planning to have a finish that would give him some kind of rub (because he had creative input), losing the title the way he did was not in the cards.
I've never heard these booking plans before. As far as I know, as the official story goes, Bret's contract had already expired, and there were no concrete plans beyond SS. Bret's suggestion was to hand over the belt to Vince, or to job to Ken Shamrock on Raw the next night. As far as the official record goes anyway.
Because Bret's contract was up, and Vince didn't want to pay him anymore. Bret wasn't going to show up not to get paid anymore! Plus Bret was adamant he didn't want to job to Shawn in any fashion. It was more about Shawn than it was about the title.
I think this is more of what Bret wanted to do, which is why they did the midget dealie the next night on Raw in his place. However, I'm not quite sure how the finish of the match was supposed to go in order to get the title off of Bret in the first place, so I can't really say how'd they get to this point. Needless to say, the hatred is totally real. I think that when Bret did his "I quit" on Nitro, where he got Goldberg with an armor-protected spear, was a bit of a rehash of what was supposed to happen after SS.
Two words: Da Clique. Vince has always been influenced by strong personalities, and HBK knew how to get his way. Hogan was the same.
Well I always said that Bret didn't totally lose out of the screwjob, because he got paid around 6 million for less than 100 dates of work in WCW> However - professionally the whole moment really did ruin Bret's career, and he didn't end up the strong babyface that he thought he would. Plus, I still don't believe Bret was in on the finish as it really happened, because he really was pissed off. I don't believe it's 100% work or shoot - it's a tweener :)
Chris asks: Whenever I look up CM Punk online, there always seems to be "haters" who talk about him and his "sex-capades" that supposedly caused his ex-girlfriend Shannon Sprulli ("Screaming" Daffney Unger/ Lucy) to quit wrestling. I am a big fan of CM Punk and I don't know how someone could make this up. Being "straight edge" as he claims means that he is against drug use, smoking, alcohol, and casual sex. Although, in his promos he never mentions sex.
Is this true (about him humping Daffney out of wrestling)? Or is there some other reason she quit? Did her divorce from the guy in Stuck Mojo have anything to do with it? Is he still in Stuck Mojo/Fozzy?
ask 411: CM believes the straight edge gimmick in everything but women. I'd say the only guy who has nailed more wrestling bimbos than Punk is Raven, to be honest. I know Punk has hit Daffney, Traci Brooks, and is currently dating Maria from WWE TV. Trust me - he gets around :) Daphne is still around in wrestling…somewhere…
Tim asks: A bit of an 'opinion' question. I was an avid reader of the 'Apter mags' in the late 80s / early 90s. There was an issue in 1989 for the 10th anniversary of PWI, which talked about the '12 who made a difference'. The mag (from a Kayfabe perspective) listed the following 12 wrestlers / teams as being the most important / influential over the last 10 years (in no particular order) : Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Tommy Rich, Kerry & Kevin Von Erich, The Road Warriors, Andre the Giant, Dusty Rhodes, Rick Martel, Rick Steamboat, Bob Backlund, Randy Savage and Roddy Piper.
Two opinions : would you agree with the list (for the 1979-1989 decade) from a kayfabe perspective? What about a mark perspective? Who would you pick as the '12 who made a difference from 1996-2006?
I would personally have thought about including Bruiser Brody and maybe Harley Race in the old list, and my current list might have read :
Sting, Lex Luger, Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, The Rock, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Goldberg and Chris Jericho.
ask 411:My 12 that made a difference 1979-1989 would be: Hogan, Flair, Savage, Steamboat, Rhodes, Piper, Andre, DiBiase, Slaughter, Dynamite, Inoki, Baba and Backlund.
Tag-team wrestling, while popular, was never the big "draw", you know? The Von Erichs had very limited success chronologically. Same with Martel. Brody I don't put on there because he was never big in New York during the big run /w Hogan, which puts him at a disadvantage. Also, Race did most of the greatest stuff pre-those dates I'd think.
As far as 1996-2006? Here's my list, a bit different than yours:
Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Sean Waltman (see a pattern here?), Stone Cold, The Rock, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting.
Here's my justification for a few guys:
- Scott Hall single-handedly started the Monday Night Wars /w his appearance on Nitro
- Sean Waltman single-handedly brought WWF back from the brink /w his "Bischoff has his head up Hogan's ass" promo.
- Mick Foley, 1996-2006, restarted Taker, made Austin, made Rock, made Hunter, made Orton.
The rest are pretty self-explanitory. Luger? Blech. Angle & Jericho have only been around a few years (well - Angle has been going strong now since late 1999, but lots of injuries and burials along the way).
Jericho has, outside of a 3 month reign and Mania main-job, has been enhancment talent, nothing more, nothing less. Deserves more, never got it. Bret, while important, did not change the business nor did he draw particularlly well nationally. Goldberg was short-term success, not long term. He only really had 1.5 years of solid TV draw.
James asks In the old territorial days of wrestling, how was it decided who would be champion and for how long? How did they decide on opponents? (Both with the NWA Title and the regional one)
Ask 411: The NWA had a real championship committee which made the important decisions about who should be champion. People were picked via a vote, and the title would end up on them. The lengths of the reigns were more determined by circumstance, ie: lack of draws, injury, politics, etc. What's interesting is that Vince's dad sat on the board, even after he withdrew the WWWF from the NWA in 1963. This lead to one of the more infamous promos, where Flair mentioned at the final Nitro, live on air, that "your dad voted for me to be world champion! WHOOO!" Flair also mentioned in that promo that Vince had never "cut himself 5 times, bled for an hour". Talk about gang-raping kayfabe!
Joe asksmy q is are we going to see jeff hardy in ECW any time
Ask 411: I severely doubt it. Hardy is under contract to TNA, and even if they're not using them, they're not going to let him go back. And yes – Vince would take him back simple for the Hardy Boyz merch sales. Wrestling is a funny business – those who sell despite their unreliability get a million chances.
Josh asks Now my question is why hasn't Steve Borden ever signed with the WWF/E? [at least to my knowledge] I understand during WCW-Bischoff, there was a ton of money but why not after the buyout? And why head to TNA over WWE? Personal preference? Beef with Vince?
Ask 411:I know the two sides have negotiated in the past, but circumstances just haven't come together. Sting has been careful with his money, so he doesn't HAVE to work anymore. Therefore, Sting will only work when he has a certain degree of creative control. Add that to his finding his own personal Jesus, the likelihood of him ever working for Vince would be slim, to none. In TNA, Sting gets to main event, he gets to control his character, and he gets to be in a company that is a bit more family-friendly. Well – to the degree that wrestling is family friendly!
So the final word is that I don't know of any legit heat, but Sting has just made the choice to be where he is. Vince would have taken him in a second.
Chris D asksI remember shortly after the first Diva Search, a bunch of the diva's were put on Smackdown! in various roles (Amy Weber/JBL's Cabinet, Joy Giovanni/Big Show's "Special Friend") I remember hearing/reading something about the diva's being ribbed on a tour and that led to one (or more) of the diva's quitting. What was it that exactly happened to these divas?
Ask 411: That was one of the stranger experiences of the original Diva search. For whatever reason, Vince got a hard-on for these no-name, no-talent girls who LOST the competition and signed them up to be eye-candy. This was the same time that Vince culled the workers from the division to make room for them. Vince has since learned to some degree from this experience, and now sends the bimbos to the minor-leagues to get some training first (McCool, Kristal, etc.)
Joy was released because they realized she had no upward potential for the business, wasn't going to wrestle, etc.
Amy Weber was the one who got her panties in a twist about being around wrestlers. As a result, she got uppity during a "boys will be boys" moment and quit the company. There was great fear that she was actually going to sue, but the reasons and specifics are still unknown.
Dan asksWhy is Taker being reduced to doing Dark Matches? Is it because of an injury or is he having health problems? He still gets the biggest pops out of the crowd, wouldn't it pay to have him on the show? Is Khali taking his spot as the big man on Smackdown? Taker can carry some of the lesser
experienced guys and his matches with Angle were some of the best. Why isn't he on TV anymore? I honestly don't see Khali being the type of guy to carry anyone.
Ask 411 It's not because Vince doesn't want him to be – it's Big Mark who is taking the reduced schedule. He doesn't want the pressure, stress or involvement in the major storylines anymore. Mark is past his prime, able to retire at anytime, and is merely sticking around to help out the talent that is there. They know he draws, but he doesn't want to be the focus of the shows (ie: work houseshows, be involved in heavy TV). So instead, he works dark matches which are lower impact and less stress. He doesn't need to do this, and its to his credit that he wants to do something good for a dying show.
Ken asks: Is there any difference between Extreme Rules, Hardcore rules, Street Fight rules, No Holds Barred, No DQ, Falls Count Anywhere, or "Insert City Here" Street Fight rules? It seems to me they are just a bunch a of names for the same thing, but if they were all the same why don't people just pick a name a go with it?
ask 411: Shhhhhh – stop asking questions – wrestling fans are supposed to sit there, boo/cheer on command, and not point out severe logic gaps in the creative.
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1 Ref bump in Booker vs. Rey @ the GAB
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