411's 2007 Year End Wrestling Awards: Part 3
Posted by James Thomlison on 01.03.2008
And the awards continue!
Welcome to Part 3 of the 411mania.com 2007 Year End Wrestling Awards. If you haven't already, be sure to check out Part 1 and Part 2.
REVIEW: Before we get to it, let's take a look at the winners we've already announced to this point:
Announcer of the Year: John Bradshaw Layfield – WWE SmackDown! (99 points)
Rookie of the Year: Santino Marella – WWE RAW (67 points)
Breakout of the Year: Montel Vontavious Porter – WWE SmackDown! (89 points)
Comeback Wrestler of the Year: Shawn Michaels – WWE RAW (49)
Disappointment of the Year: Samoa Joe fails to win the TNA World Championship despite multiple builds (66)
Best Indy Show of the Year: ROH Good Times, Great Memories – 04.28.07 (58)
Free TV Match of the Year: John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels – 56 Minute match – WWE RAW 04.23.07 (138)
Story/Surprise of the Year: ROH makes the jump to Pay-Per-View starting with Respect is Earned (98)
Worst Story/Surprise of the Year: The Chris Benoit Tragedy (140)
Feud/Storyline of the Year: The Briscoes vs. El Generico & Kevin Steen – ROH (66)
Worst Feud/Storyline of the Year: The Mr. McMahon Saga – WWE (88)
Worst Fed of the Year: Total Nonstop Action (53)
Worst Promo of the Year: Junior Fat buries Robert Roode & the TNA Fight For Your Right Tourney – TNA iMPACT! 10.25.07 (69)
And now that we have that out of the way…
Honorable Mentions: TNA Destination X (03.11.07 – 11), WWE Unforgiven (09.16.07 – 25), WWE Judgment Day (05.20.07 – 5)
3rd Place:TNA Lockdown (04.15.07) - 39 points - Featuring the aforementioned Chris Harris vs. James Storm blindfolded in a Cage match; this Pay-Per-View certainly had more issues than that, though.
2nd Place:WWE SummerSlam (08.26.07) - 47 points - Anti-climatic, non-Big-4-PPV feel, predictable Stone Cold Stunner sighting and a world title match featuring our 2nd worst wrestler of the year ending in a DQ. Yuck.
And your winner is...:
TNA Hard Justice (08.12.07) - 85 points
Larry Csonka: Hard Justice was easily TNA's worst PPV of the year, coming in with a poor 4.0 score from me. It tied with a few other shows in my eyes with that 4.0, but one could not really argue with it being named worst PPV of the year. The opener was the match of the night and it went down hill from there. Kazarian vs. Raven was lackluster, as was James Storm and Rhino. Not epic bad, but just there like a TV match. LAX vs. VKM was a horrendous match, and that thankfully was only about 5-minutes long. Roode vs. Young, again not epic bad but more of a TV match that was part of a overly long feud and while the face got the last laugh, they didn't payoff the stipulation, thus continuing to devalue stipulations. Chris Harris and the debuting Black Reign, or shit, had a very bad DQ match, the Doomsday Chamber of Blood could have been worse but was bad as the cage was designed to keep people in but Cage escapes. Pacman Jones debuted and showed that he actually had negative charisma and drug down Ron Killings with him. Finally the push of Samoa Joe was again derailed as he lost the winner takes all of the titles match to Kurt Angle, in what was a predictable screw job and fell way below expectations. It had bad booking, a bad debut, a bad return, mediocre to bad matches for the most part, and in the end not worth my or anyone else's money. I hated this show.
Randy Harrison: Where to begin with this stinker. No blowaway matches? Check. Shitty booking decisions? DOUBLE check. The debut of the worst wrestler of the year? Check. Matches between guys that seemed to be thrown together just to be able to put on a pay-per-view show that they were obligated to put on? Check. This show was just plain bad all the way around. Samoa Joe getting screwed (gee, who didn't see that coming?) in the main event was the same tired cliche and actually ended up pushing him so far off the rails that he is just now barely starting to regain his momentum. The matches that were booked ended up being just matches that didn't mean anything in the end and the matches that did end up meaning something were bungled so badly in terms of the booking that they ended up souring almost any goodwill that the company had at that point amongst casual fans and even most TNA diehards. When you're even turning your own supporters against you, you know you've fucked up royally. Lest I forget the debut of Black Reign, possibly the worst repackaging I've seen Goldust in yet. That's not to say that it's a total repackaging because it's the same character just trading silver in for gold. Of course there was Adam "Pacman" Jones as well, TNA's yearly attempt to make a splash in the mainstream media. I tear him a new asshole in the worThere was nothing redeeming at all about this show, nothing that I even remember about this show and the fact that I had to watch it again to write up this piece on it makes me want to find something very sharp and remove the section of my brain that this show killed.
Scott Slimmer: You know what? Fuck the haters. Just look at all the things that were right about this show. First, it was a pay-per-view where every single championship was defended. We all bitch and moan about WWE only featuring half of their titles on any given pay-per-view, but such wastefulness would never occur in TNA. Second, the main event featured Kurt Angle, an Olympic freakin' gold medalist, against Samoa Joe, the IWC's one true man crush. That had to be an instant classic, right? Add in a cage match and the debut of a future TNA Tag Team Champion, and that right there is a show you have no right to complain about. Oh… um, wait. What's that you say? Every damn championship in the company was defended in THE SAME MATCH? Well, it must have been a nightmare fitting all of those champions into the same… wait, what? There were only two guys in the match? How the hell is that even mathematically possible? Talk about an over booked nightmare. Well I'm sure the phenomenal main event made up for that clusterfu… wait, what? That WAS the main event? You mean TNA fucked up Angle / Joe with a crapload of unnecessary, inane stipulations and moronic booking? Shit, I bet now you're gonna tell me that the cage match was actually a tag-team match to become the number one contender for a singles championship or that TNA's big debut proved to be a guy that isn't even legally allowed to wrestle. Wait, all that shit happened too? Okay, I give up. You know what? Fuck the non-haters. This show sucked.
Daniel Wilcox: This pay-per-view must have been bad because at first I couldn't remember a damn thing that happened on it. But ah yes, this was the show with Karen Angle screwing Samoa Joe out of all the championships in TNA. Let's start with this "Winner Take All" match: it's just ridiculous to have 3 or 4 championships in the line in one match. It's blind booking. So one guy has all the gold? So he's just going to look bad when he loses all of it. No one else benefits. There are no other champions in the company. One man holds both tag team titles. Amazingly bad booking on TNA's part, and then the give us one of the most predictable swerves in wrestling history when Karen Angle (shock, horror) turned on Joe to side with her husband. Well who would've seen that coming? Apparently not Don West because "it just makes me sick, Mike!" Aside from the clusterfuck of a main event, we had a clusterfuck of a semi-main event right out of Russo's playbook – the Doomsday Chamber of Blood Match where the idea was for Abyss to gain a measure of revenge on Christian's Coalition and Christian wouldn't be able to escape the chamber but alas, he did anyway. Wonderful. Then we were treated to the 37th epic chapter of the Eric Young/Robert Roode feud where the loser would be "tarred and feathered." Young lost and surprise, surprise, did not get tarred and feathered. On the bright side, we did get a nice opener of a triple threat tag team match where both the newly formed and recently reformed tag teams lost to a semi-permanent team. It was a fun match but much like everything else in TNA this year, the booking dragged it down tremendously. Other "highlights" of this show included VKM vs. LAX, Chris "No Personality" Harris vs. Black Reign and The Steiners vs. Team 3D. No, it wasn't as bad as it sounds; it was much, much worse.
Honorable Mentions: Ken Kennedy vs. Carlito (WWE RAW – 08.20.07 – 15), Kelly Kelly vs. Layla (WWE ECW – 11.27.07 – 3), Team Pacman vs. Team 3D (TNA iMPACT – 10.04.07 – 1)
3rd Place:Christy Hemme vs. Greased-up Oily Guy (TNA Against All Odds – 02.11.07) - 27 points - What a mess part 1.
2nd Place:Chris Harris vs. James Storm - Blindfolded in a Cage match (TNA Lockdown – 04.15.07) - 70 points - What a mess part 2.
And your winner is...:
"Donald Trump" vs. "Rosie O'Donnell" (WWE RAW – 01.08.07) - 75 points
Randy Harrison: You know that one friend that you have that tries so hard to make topical jokes that it comes across as seeming very forced and very lame? Well, if that friend was to manifest themselves in the form of a wrestling match, odds are that this is the match they would end up being. With Donald Trump and Rosie O' Donnell having a lame war of words on each other's MySpace pages or whatever the hell the situation was at the time, Vince McMahon saw fit to try to turn it into an in-ring matchup, complete with fake Donald and fake Rosie. This thing was an absolute stinker as it was two people who were poorly impersonating wrestlers, while poorly impersonating C-list celebrities and making lame jokes about each celeb's public persona that were so unfunny that even hack late-night talk show writers cringed when they saw them. This was Vince McMahon's sad attempt to be topical as well as take a swipe at the Donald and he FAILED on both counts, and ended up wasting an entire segment of Raw to boot. I was fully expecting to see a match be voted the worst based on Kelly Kelly nearly crippling someone, Carlito sandbagging it, or Vince Russo overbooking the baker's fuck out of a simple one-on-one contest. I think this one blindsided me strictly because I had purged it from my memory like a model retching up a cheesecake, hoping that I could flush it down the toilet and act like it never existed, but then I had to go and sign-up to write awards blurbs and it looks like this particular repressed memory has been brought back to the surface. I'll be sending the bill for my therapy to you soon JT. Happy New Year!
Daniel Wilcox: There's not a lot to say on this one. We've seen some really bad impersonators in WWE over this year, and years past, but this had to be up there with one of the worst things I've seen in a wrestling ring for a long time. It was so bad that I couldn't even be bothered to go back and re-watch the match on youtube in order to make a good job of this. I'd rather half-ass this then watch that disaster again. But in all seriousness, this was as bad as it gets. The crowd was dead for it. If you have a dead crowd when you're on the Road to WrestleMania then you know you have a problem. If I remember correctly, this match ended with a pie shot to the face. I'd also argue that this accomplished nothing. Yes, it set up for Donald Trump's WWE arrival but Vince could have got heat with Trump without wasting a good 10 minutes of a wrestling show. Terrible match that would be followed up by an even worse angle.
Larry Csonka: First of all, I feel that I need to make some blanket statements on this whole deal:
Shit like this makes me hate wrestling.
Shit like this actually makes we want K Fed back.
This was all for Vince's own amusement.
Possibly Worst…Segment…Ever.
Possibly Worst…Match…Ever.
This was so bad. They went for the parody deal, got all the footage from the Hollywood Insider shows and tried to make it into a mockery, but what happened was a shit storm of tremendously shitty jokes and a horrendous match. First we had "Rosey" arrive and meet with Vince. She ate a big ass ice cream cake that looked like a whale, and about stabbed Vince when he tried to get a bite. HAHAHA…she…is…fat…HAHAHA. Then "Rosey" visited the diva's locker room. She showed Candace and Maria pictures and checked then out, and then dropped the pictures so she could check out Maria's ass. HAHAHA…she…is…a…lesbian…HAHAHA. Oh the hilarity. We then saw "The Donald" getting approximately 19 cans of hair spray being put on. You see, he has wacky hair and it's a joke…HAHAHA. Hilarity ensues. And then we go onto the, well, match. Vince got to come out and introduce them, he got to use the word lesbian in several forms, which probably got him off. So he announced them and we were off. Horrendous is the best word I can use here. "Rosey" played the fat powerful role, and "The Donald" had a tremendous hair butt. The only thing I can say here is that Ace Steele was hilarious as Trump, but this doesn't mean I want to see this shit on my wrestling shows. "The Donald" won after an illegal cake shot, followed by a diving hair butt for the pin. This was so bad, I stopped watching for the night and let the tape run. During the match people chanted boring, TNA and possibly VKM. That never happens at a WWE show and is rather interesting considering to WWE, TNA doesn't exist. This was a horrible "match," and I am glad to have not seen anything this bad since. In closing I do feel that I have to mention that as bad as it was, it DID lead to a tremendously successful angle at WrestleMania, a WrestleMania that made as assload of money. But it doesn't change the fact that this match was HORRIBLE!
Scott Slimmer: I don't even know where to begin with this little slice of Hell. Let's start with the fact that the two "wrestlers" were really two-bit actors who had no business ever stepping foot in a wrestling ring. Needless to say, the in-ring "action" was so incredibly horrible that it could later be used as a point of reference to make Kelly Kelly look like a decent wrestler. Next you have the fact that this was just Vince McMahon's attempt to exploit a real-life feud that NOBODY cared about in the first place. Then there's the whole issue of this being a comedy match that was in no way, shape, or form entertaining, humorous, or, you know, comedic. And finally, I think it's worth noting that this match happened a full twelve months ago, and yet here we are still trying to find new ways to express just how fucktacular it was. Seriously, there are a lot of "bad" matches during the year that are short and sloppy and meaningless and thus usually easily forgotten. But it takes a special, unique kind of soul-sucking wretchedness to achieve the kind of badness that resonates just as strongly a full year later. The real problem here is that a match between the real Donald Trump and the real Rosie O'Donnell would have sucked monkey balls. But a match between a fake Trump and a fake Rosie, neither of whom could wrestle, and which made many of us question why the hell we even watch professional wrestling? Worst… Match… of the Year.
Honorable Mentions: Julius Smokes (ROH – 9), Matt Striker (WWE ECW – 19), Kevin Nash (TNA – 3)
3rd Place:Karen Angle (TNA) - 35 points To be a good manager, people have to actually care when you open your mouth. This is not something that happens when Karen Angle opens her mouth, thus…
2nd Place:Runjin Sighn [David Kapoor] (Khali's Interpreter) (WWE) - 37 points - Much like Khali, I won't be too harsh here. He happens to be likely the only guy on the road to speak Indian, and when you're thrown out there with the man voted 2nd for worst wrestler of the year, this probably comes as a surprise to no one.
And your winner is...:
Christy Hemme (TNA) - 98 points
Larry Csonka: When I first saw this category I had a few names run through my head. But in the end, when you really think about it Christy Hemme is rather horrible, and yeah, you could say the worst. She had one of the year's worst promos when she cried for her freedom as a woman and sighted Chyna as an inspiration, and one of the worst matches of the year with the Big Fat Naked Oily Guy. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! From there she moved onto managing Lance Hoyt and Jimmy Rave. The Rock and Rave Infection. They are a job team that aren't going anywhere in TNA. She cuts horrendous promos and as in TNA, THEY CAN'T GET ALONG. One week they portray her as a chick that is crazy, the next week fine. One week she is a valet, the next week she can actually wrestle. Her character has no direction, is all over the place and her five-head adds nothing to her team or the promotion as a whole. She sucks in more ways than one.
Scott Slimmer: Let's take a minute here a do a little brainstorming exercise. What are the roles of a good wrestling manager? To provide a mouthpiece for a star that might struggle on the mic? Sure. To use his or her charisma to help a less confident star gain acceptance with the fans? Absolutely. To lend some veteran credibility to an up-and-coming youngster? Damn straight. Bottom line? The role of a good manager is to get talent over and keep talent over. And that's the basic problem with using Christy Hemme as a manager. Her gimmick… or lack thereof… is so trite and grating that whoever she manages instantly becomes less watchable. Her voice makes some of Stephanie McMahon's more infamous screeching sound utterly harmonious by comparison, so she's useless as a mouthpiece. She's less charismatic than Bob Backlund, so she's… wait, let's reiterate that last point. She's LESS CHARISMATIC than BOB BACKLUND. Just let that one sink in for a minute. Oh, and veteran credibility? Yeah, I've only got two words for ya… Diva Search. Basically, you know a manager sucks when she inadvertently makes her team's opponents look good. But you know a manager is the Worst Manager of the Year when that other team is the freaking Voodoo Kin Mafia.
Matthew Sforcina: I like Christy Hemme. She's hot, seems to have a great work ethic, and despite many people's claims and her start in the business she seems to really like the business and want to succeed. All admirable qualities. But she still is a terrible, terrible manager. Sure, her storylines have sucked, her clients woeful and all the standard rules about TNA apply, but still, she's just so, so wrong for that role. True, many good managers would find it hard to get anything good out of a guy who's yet to show any real individuality OR real upside and another guy who's really still over from just one joke (CROWN JEWEL!), but Christy's.... just woeful performances have given her this title. Sorry babe, maybe the new year will see your fortunes improve.
Ryan Byers: If Jimmy is the "Rave" and Lance is the "Rock," I guess that leaves Christy Hemme as the "Infection." That role certainly fits, because I've had infections that are just as painful as watching Christy Hemme manage her charges in 2007. Christy kicked off the year with an infamous promo on the Voodoo Kin Mafia in which she name dropped Joanie "Chyna" Laurer and attempted to stand up for women in wrestling. I personally love women's wrestling and consider myself to be a feminist, but even I wanted Hemme to shut up during that interview segment. It was that bad. After that failure on the microphone, what does TNA decide to do? They decide to make Christy in to a manager full time! This was completely counterproductive, given that the entire point of a manager is to work the microphone for individuals who can't do it on their own. Anyway, Hemme embarked on a feud with VKM and brought in a series of teams to defeat them, including the men formerly known as the Heart Throbs in WWE and Serotonin, who for one night only decided to forget that they already had a manager. It looked like Christy finally had a full-time team when the former Basham brothers showed up at her side, but they quickly started no-showing dates and left Hemme all alone with Lance Hoyt, who had turned on VKM to join up with everybody's least favorite redhead. Hoyt and Hemme were a disturbing pair, as they engaged in on-camera makeout scenes so violent that I could've sworn all of the grinding was going to leave one of them with a fractured pelvis. Hoyt and Hemme were then joined by Jimmy Rave, and since that time all of their interviews have consisted of the old TNA favorite: STANDING AROUND AND SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER FOR NO READILY ASCERTAINABLE REASON. I hope that Jimmy still has Prince Nana in his rolodex, because he's the only person talented enough to come in and get the stank of Hemme off of Hoyt & Rave.
Honorable Mentions: Highlanders (WWE – 6), Lance Hoyt & Jimmy Rave (TNA – 1), The Major Brothers (WWE – 15)
3rd Place:Deuce & Domino (WWE SmackDown!) - 36 points - Started decent, but lack of production, being ignored by booking and sloppiness in the ring have sent them downhill ever since.
2nd Place:Voodoo Kin Mafia (TNA) - 53 points - First they pick a fight with Vince, then they pick a fight with the second worst women's wrestler on the roster. Other than that, they have done squat this year. That will not do you any favors in the voting; in fact, the reality is they were bailed out by our winners…
And your winner is...:
Team Pacman: Ron Killings and Adam "Pacman" Jones (TNA) - 114 points
Larry Csonka: With all of the backstage drama, drug addicts, lack of time for people under contract, losing money and everything else that they were going through, TNA thought that this was a good idea? No, this is beyond stupid. This is no buys, no extra ratings. It DID get some mention on Sportscenter, but they have had mentions on there before and it did NOTHING for them, just lie this time. This company is the new WCW right now. Put the title on him, continue to hire other problem children, fuck anyone with talent and your chances of growing. Some said that this is going to be like Tyson and WWE, but Pacman is nowhere near the star level that Tyson was. Piss it all away TNA, that's the only thing that you are good at right now. Jeff, you're an idiot. You're supposed to be the one smart for the business, but you're the one making the stupidest decisions. Let's get Chris Henry and Tank Johnson along with Vick and form a stable of rich assholes that will take TV time from the deserving people. Maybe they can get Michael Vick to come in and be the manager for Pitbull Gary Wolfe. And then if that wasn't bad enough, they couldn't even have him wrestle because of his football contract. So not only did they hire a guy with a VERY checkered criminal past, but the team that owns his NFL contract decided to but the KIBOSH on things so he doesn't get injured; just incase they bring him back. This is just one gigantic clusterfuck, and really, one shouldn't be surprised, THIS IS TNA: WE ARE BULLSHIT. So now they have this guy under contract, he can't do anything physical and they went ahead and had him pin STING and WIN the TNA TAG TEAM TITLES! The stupid, it hurts so much. Ron killings worked so hard here because he always does and I feel bad for voting for the team, for the simple fact that I feel like I am bashing him, but the sad thing is that this team was stupid, it lost money, it was the definition of NO BUYS and they were bad. Thank God he is gone.
Ryan Byers: Oh, Team Pac-Man. I've seen some bad tag teams in my day, but I literally don't think that I've ever seen a team that was so bad at every aspect of the game that we call pro wrestling. Crime Time couldn't wrestle, but at least they could talk. Doug Furnas and Phil LaFon couldn't cut a promo to save their lives, but at least they had five star matches. The Bushwackers couldn't wrestle OR talk, but at least they managed to get crowds to react to them. The duo of Killings and Jones failed to do all three of these things . . . and, surprisingly enough, none of it was Killings' fault. He was handicapped by having the biggest deadweight in pro wrestling history tied to his waist. When Killings tried to deliver one of his energetic interviews, the focus would then shift to Jones, whose complete lack of charisma would kill the segment dead. When Killings had just executed an eye catching sequence of flashy moves in the ring, he'd immediately have to tag out to Jones, who would bore fans with his drop downs, leap frogs, and footballs to the groin. When Killings finally managed to rally some crowd support, the mere existence of Jones would turn the spectators off. I've never seen one man's negative qualities so strongly cancel out another man's positives. It was monumentally bad almost to the point of being impressive, and it was the sort of thing that you're only going to see in TNA.
Scott Slimmer: Okay, so I think we can all agree that the Adam "Pacman" Jones experiment was a monufreakingmental clusterfuck. The fans hated him. Fine. He wasn't legally allowed to wrestle. Fine. He has a long history of legal trouble and made TNA look like a bunch of mouth breathing thugs my association. Fine. But there was still really only so much damage that he could do on his own. As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't until he teamed up with Ron Killings that the shit really hit the fan. Because that's when Jones could drag Killings down with him. Killings is a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion, but TNA still thought it might be a good idea to put him in a tag team with a douche who can't wrestle. That seemed to work out so well that Jones & Killings went on to defeat Kurt Angle & Sting for the TNA World Tag Team Championships with… wait for it… Jones getting the pin on Sting, also a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion. So now Ron Killings and Sting have BOTH been flushed down the Pacman crapper. And then you have the issue of the TNA World Tag Team Championships being held by a team in which only one of the members is legally allowed to actually wrestle. That's just… oh, hell, those are the same championships that were held by a singles wrestler on two different occasions earlier in the year, so I might just let this part of the whole fiasco slide. But the stuff about shitting all over two former NWA World Heavyweight Champions, wasting valuable air time, and pissing off your entire fan base still stands. So yes, yes indeed, this truly was a sucktastic tag team.
Daniel Wilcox: Oh damn, Team Pacman. So TNA manages to sign Adam ‘Pacman' Jones to work a few dates. At the time it seems like a hell of a good idea as Jones was in the media a lot at the time and the move did get a lot of press coverage (shame it did squat to boost ratings or pay-per-view buys but that's just TNA all over). However, then comes the news that under no circumstances is Jones allowed to engage in any physical contact with the wrestlers. Tremendous. But don't worry, because TNA has a plan! "You know that guy we paid big bucks for who isn't allowed to wrestle or we get sued? Yeah, let's make him a TAG TEAM CHAMPION! And let's put him over Sting to do it! Damn, we're good!" So you have Jones and Killings teaming up, and every time Pacman is in the ring, he does some stupid shit with a football and tags out, Killings does all the work and more often than not, Pacman comes back in for the pin. Tremendous. Where do they come up with these ideas? You'd think when Jones first strolled in to the Impact Zone at Hard Justice and got rowdly booed that management would realise fans didn't want to see Jones in TNA. But it'll get some press, so let's do it anyway. This was simply an attempt at a quick cash grab by TNA that didn't pay off: now a smart company would realize when an idea isn't paying off and cut their loss, but TNA goes on and continues to promote it even when the fans have pretty much turned their back on the idea. And surprisingly, this probably wasn't even the worst business move TNA made this year, which is a sad indicator of how bad their creative team and their management has been this year. Stunts like this just won't cut it in 2007. Even WWE didn't give Kevin Federline a WWE Championship run when he feuded with John Cena and he garnered a lot more press than Jones signing with TNA did. Do you know how I know that this team must have been really bad this year? They beat the Voodoo Kin Mafia to this award. The only duo that annoyed me more than these guys this year were Mike Tenay and Don West. Bottom line: Ron Killings and Pacman Jones may not just be the worst tag team of the year, but the worst tag team of all time.
Honorable Mentions: Jillian Hall (WWE – 13), Christy Hemme (TNA – 24), Torrie Wilson (WWE – 10)
3rd Place:Layla El (WWE ECW) - 36.5 points - About the only thing pretty looking about Layla this year has been her body in slutty clothing. Matches? Extreme Expose? No… not at all. Get it off my TV until she isn't as green as Ms. M &M.
2nd Place:Ashley Massaro (WWE) - 68 points Shitty wrestler who disappeared for half a year, and when she was around didn't contribute to the division in any way.
And your winner is...:
Kelly Kelly (WWE ECW) - 74.5 points
Larry Csonka: Oh yes, there is pretty much no question here for me. Kelly Kelly has been involved in some of the worst wrestling matches of the year. And I use the term "matches" loosely. She is just horrible and should not be in a wrestling ring as of yet. She needs a lot of work, and at this point she is not only endangering herself, but the people she is working with. Unfortunately for her, she'll be remembered as the worst women's wrestler of 2007. At least she's hot.
Ryan Byers: Though I voted for her, I feel bad giving Kelly Kelly this distinction. She can't wrestle a lick, but that's hardly her fault. The first person to actually blame is Johnny Ace, who hired the woman based solely on pictures that he saw in a swimsuit catalog. The second person to blame is whichever member of the creative team determined that she should be placed on television immediately after being signed, with little or no time to train. The third person to blame is whichever member of the creative team thought that it would be a good idea to have her wrestle when it was already clear that she lacked the coordination necessary to complete basic dance routines or perform simple tasks like unclasping her top on live television. The fourth person to blame is whoever decided that her first awful match would not be her last. That fourth individual has forced fans to be subjected to some of the most wooden, poorly timed wrestling moves in history as well as a few bumps that looked like they were going to be the death of Ms. Kelly. My hope is that in 2008 she's allowed to play to her strengths instead of dabbling in an aspect of this business that she's clearly not ready for.
Matthew Sforcina: Oh dear. Kelly Squared has as much business wrestling as Big Daddy V has wearing no shirt and briefs to the ring. Yes, technically they can do it, but they really, really, REALLY shouldn't. I don't want to come off as patronising, but the poor girl is clearly trying, and is only doing as she's asked to keep her job. This is not an indictment on her, there are a couple of women around who clearly aren't trying but have enough talent and experience to coast. Poor Kelly X 2 does not have that. Sorry KK, but hopefully they'll give you enough time out of the ring to improve if they choose to keep putting you out there. This is not aimed at you, more the state of women in the WWE overall.
Sat: I had not seen that many Kelly Kelly matches, so I watched a few of her matches on Youtube to find out how bad she really is. My conclusion is that she is much better at taking a beating than being the one that is giving a beating. She does do some weird things when she is taking a beating, but I would say that is one of her only strengths in the ring. When Kelly Kelly starts to go on the offense, it is just bad. It is really hard to watch her on offense. She is hot, but she should not be wrestling; she should still be training.
Honorable Mentions: Ken Kennedy (WWE – 6), Andrew "Test" Martin (WWE/TNA – 4), Snitsky (WWE – 16), BONUS: Junior Fatu (TNA – 20)
3rd Place:Carlito Caribbean Cool (WWE) - 36 points - Another disappointing year for the third generation wrestler who seemingly has all the tools to be huge, yet lacks the desire to do so.
2nd Place:The Great Khali (WWE) - 37 points - Not going to knock him too much here. He did what he was asked to do the best he could; at the end of the day though, it just didn't make for very entertaining television.
And your winner is...:
Adam "Pacman" Jones (TNA) - 53 points
Larry Csonka: This will be familiar because you're going to see a lot of this rant again in this column. I apologize, but it's just how I feel. With all of the backstage drama, drug addicts, lack of time for people under contract, losing money and everything else that they were going through, TNA thought that this was a good idea? No, this is beyond stupid. This is no buys, no extra ratings. It DID get some mention on Sportscenter, but they have had mentions on there before and it did NOTHING for them, just lie this time. This company is the new WCW right now. Put the title on him, continue to hire other problem children, fuck anyone with talent and your chances of growing. Some said that this is going to be like Tyson and WWE, but Pacman is nowhere near the star level that Tyson was. And then if that wasn't bad enough, they couldn't even have him wrestle because of his football contract. So not only did they hire a guy with a VERY checkered criminal past, but the team that owns his NFL contract decided to but the KIBOSH on things so he doesn't get injured; just incase they bring him back. This is just one gigantic clusterfuck, and really, one shouldn't be surprised, THIS IS TNA: WE ARE BULLSHIT. So now they have this guy under contract, he can't do anything physical and they went ahead and had him pin STING and WIN the TNA TAG TEAM TITLES! The stupid, it hurts so much. The sad thing is that this was stupid, it lost money, it was the definition of NO BUYS. Thank God he is gone.
Randy Harrison: TNA, you're retarded. You have a roster filled with talent that could put on shows that would rival ROH in terms of quality and you have guys that the crowds in Orlando desperately want to get behind and see become huge breakout stars. Instead of utilizing this roster of talent and putting them in the position to get over, stay over, and become stars in this business, you go out and court a non-wrestler to join the team and then put him in a featured position above your homegrown talent. Bravo. And you wonder why people are shocked that you're still around after all these years. Enough about the promotion that housed him though, let's move on to why Mr. Pacman was indeed the worst wrestler of 2007. He's a fairly horrible person outside of the ring based on his laundry list of criminal charges and his year-long suspension from the NFL. He was brought in as a wrestler, yet because of clauses in his football contract that were invoked by the Titans he couldn't engage in any physicality while in the ring. He has absolutely negative charisma and ended up dragging a decent worker like Ron Killings into his Black Hole of Suck, more than likely leading to Killings wanting a release from the company. So what do you do with a guy like this who can't wrestle, can't talk, looks like someone who would beat me in an alley and leave me for dead, and has no business being in the ring to begin with? Well, let's have him beat FUCKING STING and win the World Tag Team Championship, despite the fact that he'll never be able to properly defend them without some sort of shenanigans. The whole Pacman debacle made my head hurt and based on the fact that you sucked in the ring, sucked on the mic, and suck out loud at life in general, Adam Jones, you sir, are THE WORST wrestler of the year.
Daniel Wilcox: Isn't it ironic that Pacman Jones wins Worst Wrestler of the Year despite the fact that he wasn't actually allowed to wrestle. That's right, TNA pay the big money to get a guy who would earn them a fair bit of publicity (which got them no money in return) but then they discover that they can't have him come under any kind of physical scrutiny or they risk being sued. Fair enough, there's still the chance to use him as an on-air personality, manager or whatever. But nope, that's not good enough for TNA. What do they do? They go and put the freakin' tag titles on the guy! Only in TNA, folks. The fact is, this is a prime example of how TNA has no idea how to use celebs in wrestling. They get footballers, baseball stars, basketball players, golfers, croquet players, cricketers and bowles teams to show up in an attempt to get a little bit of publicity, maybe boost some ratings, earn a few extra pay-per-view buys. But they have no idea what to do with these people and in the end they end up with no cash gain and a lot of loyal but pissed off fans. I know we say that TNA shouldn't be trying to out-WWE the WWE but if they have to bring in a celebrity personality, they should take notes from WWE who used Kevin Federline perfectly just a year ago and they probably made a fair bit out of that.
But this category is supposed to be about a wrestler. However, it's hard to write like that about a guy who has a smaller move set than The Great Khali. All Pacman could do in the ring is a leapfrog, drop down, or throw a football at a guy's nut sack. The sad part about this is, they put Pacman and his partner over other people! Over Team 3D, and worse still, over Sting! Sting! This is TNA: We Are Clueless.
Michael Bauer: How exactly to we define the Worst Wrestler of the Year? In past years, you had guys that were given pushes, but were a waste of space. We are talking about guys like The Great Khali and to an extent, Carlito. This year, it's all about a guy so bad that not only was he a waste of space and money, but he did less with what he was given that anyone else before him. Adam "Pacman" Jones signed with TNA this year, but there was a problem… he couldn't get hit and he couldn't hit anyone. That's right, somebody had to wrestle where he couldn't touch anyone. So he somehow wins the Tag Team Titles by actually pinning Sting, yes you read that right, after Kurt Angle planted his partner. His title defenses involved Ron Killings doing all the work, except for Jones "making it rain" from the ring apron or spiking a nerf football into somebody's groin. But that is not what makes him so bad. What makes him really, really, pathetic was what TNA did to afford him. Yes, just to sign this guy, they had to release five actual wrestlers, all of which had fingers that were worth more than Pacman. All in all, the damage was Jerry Lynn, the Bashams, Matt Bentley, and Brother Runt. Jerry Lynn was still serviceable and he ahd been proving it since the end of the last year and Matt Bentley was part of a jobber stable, but still was a great performer before then. The Bashams were obvious and Brother Runt was not a huge loss. But to release all five of them just to allow a guy who can't throw a punch to take up television and Pay Per View time was just pathetic.
Honorable Mentions: CHIKARA Pro (18), Pro Wrestling Guerrilla (22), Wrestling Society X (9)
3rd Place:WWE SmackDown! (WWE) - 38 points - SmackDown! had RAW on their heels last year, so what did RAW do? Plucked half of everything going right on that show; injuries further hurt the brand and despite all of that, the "Little Engine That Could" B-show is still producing a pretty entertaining product.
2nd Place:WWE RAW (WWE) - 54 points - Big year for RAW, no question. HBK back to his old self, Cena having a career year, the 15th Anniversary, the return of Chris Jericho and the Hardy Boyz, the emergence of Cody Rhodes and Santino Marella, William Regal's return to the mic, Orton finally busting out of his shell, etc etc. RAW has had itself a pretty good year.
And your winner is...:
Ring of Honor (ROH) - 87 points
Theo Fraser: What a year. Where WWE has presented illegitimate midgets and TNA has all but buried an entire division of innovative and exciting athletes, ROH has excelled with the Briscoes/Steenerico feud, the Danielson/Morishima trilogy, the rise of Claudio Castagnoli, and an influx of fresh, new talent. It's amazing to think about all the ‘doom and gloom' talk that plagued the company in the early portion of the year, when TNA pulled top level talent such as Samoa Joe, Homicide and Christopher Daniels. Back then, judging by some posts on the ROH boards, you might have thought the apocalypse had arrived. But Ring of Honor bounced back tenfold, pushing new stars such as Matt Cross & Erick Stevens whilst bringing in CHIKARA talent to round out the roster and further establishing guys like Kevin Steen & El Generico. 2007 has brought about one of the most diverse rosters in ROH history, thanks in part to a greater contribution from overseas companies like Dragon Gate and NOAH. This strong relationship was no doubt helped by Takeshi Morishima's unexpected title reign, and led to the very successful Japanese tour in early Summer. When Kenta Kobashi made a two-date appearance for the company back in 2005, who would have ever imagined that in two years time the ROH World Champion would also be a NOAH representative, and for 8 months at that!? It has been another year of expansion for Ring of Honor, and that point was made clear when management unveiled that the company had signed a deal to bring their shows to pay-per-view. With three awesome PPV offerings under their belt, they have made a statement to the rest of the wrestling world; ROH is on the rise, and it's only here on up from now.
Steve Cook: When you think of all the talent that has come through ROH in the past few years, it's really quite amazing. Since the first ROH show I attended in Dayton in February 2005, the following people on that card have left for the bright lights of WWE or TNA:
AJ Styles
Jimmy Rave
Samoa Joe
Austin Aries (for a little while)
CM Punk
Alex Shelley
Traci Brooks
James Gibson
Spanky
Colt Cabana
Homicide
They certainly aren't the only ones…we all know about men like Christopher Daniels, Paul London, Low Ki, Jay Lethal, Matt Sydal, Ace Steel and others that the alcohol has made me forget about. ROH has been the preeminent breeding ground for talent in recent years, which makes it tough for them to sustain periods of excellence. But somehow they have managed to do that. Despite the departure of all the people mentioned here, ROH somehow manages to reach new levels with every passing year. 2007 saw the emergence of the Briscoe Brothers as the undisputed best tag team in American pro wrestling. It saw the domination of Morishima, which was finally put to a stop by Nigel McGuinness. We saw Bryan Danielson continue to have classic matches with anybody put in front of him. Chris Hero became one of the top heels in ROH, and Sweet & Sour Inc. established themselves as one of the most entertaining acts in wrestling. Jimmy Jacobs has become one of the most compelling people in wrestling, and the Age of the Fall angle took the Internet by storm. Whenever you think ROH is going to fade into the sunset, they kick it up a notch. They put on a product that entertains me, which is more than I can say for WWE or TNA these days. That's why they're Fed of the Year in my book.
Samuel Berman: Since the end of 2006, Ring of Honor has put on in-canon shows in the U.K. and Japan, seen a Pro Wrestling NOAH regular represent them as ROH World Champion and defend the belt in the main event at Budokan Hall, and debuted on Pay-Per-View. For any other promotion, the loss of top talent like Samoa Joe, Homicide, Colt Cabana and Christopher Daniels would have been a blow too difficult to recover from, but despite those loses and extended injury layoffs by Bryan Danielson, Nigel McGuinness and Jimmy Jacobs, the company has continued to grow and improve, and looks to have a wave of momentum heading into 2008. Commercial DVD releases are already on the way and, as of now, ‘the little Independent that could' seems poised to have an exponentially increasing profile in the coming year.
Jerome Cusson: Ring of Honor wins this "Best Fed" award simply because they put more effort into their product than WWE and TNA do combined. If you want bells and whistles, watch television. If you want to be sold lousy Pay-Per-Views, rehashes, horrible looking t-shirts, and have bad announcers tell you why what they're doing is good, turn on USA or Spike. If you are a fan of wrestling, then check out an ROH Pay-Per-View or go to their website and check out one of their DVDs. I will take lower production values, smaller arenas, and two camera shoots because I know ROH appreciates the support they get. I know that when I spend money to go to a live event, I will get my money's worth.
Believe me when I tell you, ROH isn't perfect. Some of their storylines were not perfect. Morishima's title reign was a huge disappointment. "The Age of the Fall" is a convoluted mess. However, when Bryan Danielson or The Briscoes step foot in the ring that is all forgotten. These three gentlemen make wrestling fun again because they can go out there and have a match of the year candidate on any given night. ROH's Pay-Per-Views are worth more than that 9.95 or 14.95 price tag because it's two hours of wrestling. No gaga. Just two (or four or six depending) guys getting in ring and competing because this is what they do. The titles mean everything. Wins and losses matter.
If you want more than just 10-minute or less matches without much tact, then ROH is here for you. If you want to think conceptually instead of thinking why you wasted your time, ROH is here for you. Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Homicide, Colt Cabana, Matt Sydal, and Jimmy Rave all left ROH this year to go elsewhere. And you know what? ROH is still the best wrestling company in the world. There's no reason 2008 will be any different.
Be sure to check out Part 1 and Part 2, and check back tomorrow for the finale in Part 4!
I seriously hate how the internet but especially 411 hypes Ring of Honor as the best fed ever since best fed came into best fed town. I have tried to watch it several times but it lacks something. Story telling, how to sell during a match. All those guys look exactly the same and do the same stupid spots over and over. Granted TNA goes out of its way to make me hate it and WWE has its downs but you know what at the end of the day WWE makes a better product. Entertainment and wrestling wise. I don't need Jay Briscoe to do a 720 split-legged moonsault off a ladder to thrill me. A good story told in the match and logic (remember that)does a mind & body good.
Posted By: Guest#1350 (Guest) on January 02, 2008 at 08:23 PM
I agree with the comment that ROH is over hyped on the "net". Quite frankly I find it boring.
Posted By: Weasel (Guest) on January 02, 2008 at 09:34 PM
ROH isn't for everyone, and to be honest I'm kind of a surprised that RAW didn't get the best fed nod.
That said, while ROH does have some spotty matches, I think it's hard to say that guys in ROH don't know how to sell. Watch (almost) any Bryan Danielson match and you'll see plenty of selling, storytelling, transitions, etc. Honestly, I can't think of any other American fed that has more of a focus on pure wrestling than ROH.
What's insane is that ROH, a little indy fed that has to deal with constant roster losses due to bigger feds can be in a discussion with the flagship brand of the world's leading wrestling company.
Posted By: yamsbob7 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I like ROH, but I don't love it. I just hate how they market themselves. They are supposed to be a pure wrestling promotion, yet they have these gruesome brawls involving people like the Brisoces and now with Necro in ROH, we are probably gonna see more of it. The lack of selling also is something that realy bugs me. I just think of it as a rehash of the old ECW and I mean that in a negative way. See if ROH just flat out said we are a promotion that caters to the needs of all the various types of wrestling fans in the world, instead of the pro wrestling BS, then I'd be fine with them.
Posted By: Henry (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Wow, you guys don't get it, do you? You bash WWE and TNA for lack of long-term booking, yet a sterling example of a long-term feud is in your face, and you pan it as the worst match of the year. Clearly, Rosie vs. Donald wasn't a real match, but was just the opening salvo in the otherwise pretty entertaining Trump vs. McMahon feud. Rosie vs. Trump got the real Donald on WWE TV putting Vince down for his crap programming. That match served one purpose: to further an angle. Why is that so bad? Why should that make anyone "hate wrestling"? 411mania remains my favorite wrestling site on the Net, but sometimes I'm really surprised by how frequently you guys don't get it.
Posted By: DG (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Haha, I love the when the ol' "all ROH guys look alike" attack surfaces. PLEASE can someone tell me who on the roster looks alike, other than the Briscoes BROTHERS? Plzkthnks.
And 411, you NAILED this round, kudos. I agree with every single pick you made.
Posted By: YouStayClassy (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Um... correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Trump" played by Ace Steel? Hardly an actor pretending to know how to wrestle...
Don't get me wrong though, that segment totally deserves its award.
Posted By: Jeremy (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:44 AM
To the first gentleman. Using the word logic while describing WWE's product made your whole point invalid. ROH has the best wrestling. WWE can be very entertaining. They are two completely different products.
Posted By: Guest#7808 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:00 AM
RoH blows. Shitty spotty wrestling in a high school gym with maybe 10,000 internet fans blowing their loads on it. Anyone who voted for them over RAW should be fired as they clearly know fuck all about wrestling. For shame 411. For shame.
Posted By: Bobby (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:17 AM
Actually, BOTH participants in the "Trump" vs. "Rosie" match were trained wrestlers. As was already pointed out, Trump was played by Ace Steele. Rosie was a semi-retired indy worker who used to wrestle under the name Kiley McLean. She's a former NWA Women's Champion, actually.
Posted By: Ryan Byers (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 01:24 AM
Ring of Honor is NOT ECW. It's not an industry altering promotion that will change the face of wrestling forever. I've seen the matches on some of the DVDs and on YouTube. Some of them are great. The majority of them are spotfests with Chris Sabin-esque uber selling. If I was pushed off a ladder to a spring loaded mat, I would not flop around until I flip over the top rope. It looks ridiculous. Yes, ROH has some of the best technical wrestlers in the world. Danielson is in the top 10 around. McGuinness has a lot of talent. I would love to see the Briscoes on television where there matches actually matter.
Until ROH gets on TV or any of these guys are broadcast on cable, none of them will matter. 25-30 years from now, when we are all sitting around the living room with our wrestling-loving grandchildren and they ask you about the old days. They will say "Do you remember when Cena and HBK faced off at WM?" or they'll ask "So what was it like watching Edge develop over a decade from the Brood to the best heel in the company." They won't care about Takeshi Morishima or Austin Aries. Necro the Butcher and Jimmy Jacobs will fade into oblivion. When El Generico is coaching a JV wrestling team at your local high school, give me a call. ROH is good for what they are, but they are nothing more than an unaffiliated OVW.
Posted By: ROH Blow (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:41 AM
Good call on ROH. They're simply in another league right now compared to WWE, and especially TNA. I just wonder how one could vote for WSX as a fed of the year? WSX was both started and put out of business in the course of a couple weeks. That's pretty terrible if you ask me. Not to mention the didn't have a single 4-star match...
Posted By: ben (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:46 AM
I can't believe what I'm reading. Do you guys actually think ROH matters in the grand scheme of things? Oh no, they lost Joe, Daniels, Colt Cabana, Homocide, Matt Sydal and all of these guys that will never matter. Joe, maybe. Cabana is with WWE now so he might get a cameo somewhere or could be in a tag team. Everybody else will be forgotten. Get over yourself. Just cuz you're a smark doesn't mean you have to mess your pants over ROH.
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:47 AM
ROH is the horizon of spotmonkeys and stiff morons
Posted By: riccy (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:49 AM
To anyone who bashes 411 based on these awards, you need to grow up. These awards are based on opinions, not facts. Not everyone is going to agree on the award winners. Personally, I agree with most of these selections.
Posted By: Rockbot (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 01:50 AM
Hey... who runs 411? Oh yea, the guys voting on these awards, buddy. Are we supposed to say "YAY for the Academy" when we disagree with who they picked to receive the Oscar for Actor of the Year?
411 is still my site for wrestling news and I enjoy reading 90% of their stuff, but when they bitch and moan about everything TNA and a lot of things in WWE but think those that run ROH drop a load of gold when they sit on the toilet it gets annoying.
Just because it's wrestled in a high school gym or local armory does not make it a 4-star match.
Posted By: Anti-Rockbot (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:10 AM
Somehow I don't think Michaels/Hogan3000 is going to be remembered as that timeless a classic.
Posted By: YouStayClassy (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 02:21 AM
How can a fed that doesn't even matter be the best fed of the year? Makes no sense to me. No one watches ROH, especially compared to the amount of people who watch Raw or Smackdown, even TNA and ECW. I think ROH is extremely overrated as well. It is not industry-changing like ECW was, but the ROH marks would try to have you believe so. Whatever, I'll take my HBK, Cena, Orton and Undertaker over the Briscoes, McGuiness and Danielson anyday of the week.
Posted By: ND (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:57 AM
What you have with ROH is the alternative, the show for all the people that enjoy the SPORT of wrestling. Don't get me wrong, I watch everything that I can get my hands on, WWE, TNA, ROH, AAA, CMLL. While each has their niche, ROH indeed does have superior WRESTLING! ROH is for the fans who would rather watch 2 Cold Scorpio over Flash Funk, fans who would still like to see RVD in the WWE, but know that what he does their is just a grain of his true potential. Something I quite don't understand is the reasoning behind it being hard to follow, the website has constant updates, any show on dvd has the videowire recap, hell stop watching any wrestling show or watch it once a month as well and it becomes hard to follow. While people might complain of it's high spots and blood, they would still claim Mick Foley falling from the hell in the cell his greatest moment, soak their panties when Edge spears Foley into a burning table. Yet the people who watch ROH would rather watch his classic with Sting, the brutality of his 1 on 1 with Vader, or the poetry in motion that was his match with Michaels in Mind Games. Any true wrestling fan knows what fed does best, I'll watch Smackdown to see the star of M.V.P. rise, Raw for Santino promos and to see London and Kendrick be held back, ECW for the eventual CM Punk and Shelton Benjamin feud. I'll watch TNA just to try and understand what the hell they are doing, especially since they killed the X-division, ROH will stay as the show I watch for pure wrestling. If you are unsure of what ROH is about do yourself a favor and order their upcoming pay per view, it's defenitely cheaper than any other feds pay per views, afterwards make up your mind. If this is sheer bias and just plain WWE fanboyism, save your money, and buy yourself a new WWE championship spinner belt!
Posted By: kurruption (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:03 AM
To he who said ROH is not an industry changing promotion, the same thing was said about ECW. Now RVD has the most unique style of wrestling, Edge spearing Foley through a burning table happened, and hey there is a show on Sci Fi called....oh yeah, ECW! Hell we are seeing glimpses of this happening already, Samoa Joe, and Homicide are in TNA, CM Punk is the ECW champ, which if that isn't irony I don't know what is, and Matt Sydal and Colt Cabana will be out of OVW and into the WWE pretty soon. What better place for the future of the WWE to be produced?
Posted By: GoldLoad (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:21 AM
Worst wrestler of the year and no one voted for Black Reign? BLASPHEMY.
Posted By: MC42 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:34 AM
I remember a while back where ROH had an advertisement or something saying "Real Wrestling for Real People" which is a load of crap, Pro Wrestling is staged, If you want "Real" wrestling you'd watch the Olympics.
Seriously, sometimes ROH acts as pompous as ECW once did.
Posted By: Rick (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 04:45 AM
Hey let's bitch about a promotion because we think we're "cool". Because If any of you were given the same amount of Money ROH had earned this year, you're fed would be in MGS, have Pyro, and have and tons of celebrities in attendence. Fuck all you bitchs who aren't Satisfied with anything, Go jerk off to you're 80's AWA tapes
Posted By: FastPork (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 04:58 AM
Wow, you guys are hitting several nails on the right heads with these awards guys, but I gotta say, you overhype ROH wayyyyyyy too much, now I like ROH, it's a cool indy fed with that provides good wrestling matches. However it has to be the poorest produced product on the Pro Wrestling scene at the moment. The matches seem to take place in some run down heap which the hobos refuse to sleep!!!!
Also anyone that named Jillian Hall as a bad female wrestler needs their knackers chopped off. Jillian Hall cannot sing, she is not the best looking WWE diva, BUT if theres one thing that woman can do is wrestle!! She is a multiple time indy champ and one of OVW's greatest female Alumni. She has also been incredibly successful in her bad singer gimmick, which, if it was given to any other diva, wouldn't have lasted two weeks, it gets her great heat and is a testament to her wonderful promo skills/charisma. good call on Smelly kelly though, that woman is everything wrong with mainsteam womens wrestling atm. A dumb, washed up bikini model who thinks of herself as a wrestler.I'm surprised she was the worst though.....I mean how can anyone forgive Ashely for Wrestlemania 23.My heart bleeds when I watch it back and see Jillian/Victoria/Mickie/Trinity all watching from the sidelines....AS LUMBERJILLS!!!!! WTF is THAT!!!
Another good call on worst wrestler of the year....I despair at the thought of Pacman Jones, he does NOTHING for the product, yet he was treated like the second coming upon his arrival. I think you guys were a little harsh on Christy, her gimmick was just a little ballsed up because of the way TNA writing staff put it. Her promo WAS terrible but really so few women in wrestling CAN cut a promo nowadays (minus Mickie/Jillian/Sharmell)
Posted By: Mick420 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 05:07 AM
Hey I own that Belt!!!!!!!!!!! any how I both a WWE snd ROH fan I love wrestling I used to be big on TNA util Kurt MR EGO Angle showed up and they Killed Joe. TNA fans to me are the worst you bash there company and your a WWE sheep.... do not even get me started on Bill and Doug
Posted By: Punkhead (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 05:27 AM
Bobby, I am a WWE mark, and even I voted Ring of Honor ahead of it. It's called watching the shows you're talking about and actually having an operating mind. There is no doubt that from a technical standpoint, Ring of Honor is head and shoulders above all others in its consistency. Although, admittedly, I'd much rather watch the best WWE has to offer over the best ROH has to offer.
Posted By: T.G. Corke (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 06:01 AM
Great round this time. I don't understand why everyone in the comments is saying "ROH is nothing but spotfests" when they've provided some of the best professional WRESTLING this year. They have definitely had the best year out of all the other promotions. While TNA was shitting up pretty much everything and WWE going through constant injuries and drug suspensions, ROH has just gotten better and better. They made it to PPV, developed an incredible Roster, Started signing people to contracts, and have had SO MANY GREAT MATCHES this year. The relationship with NOAH strengthened, and 2008 can only be better. It's been a Thumbs in the middle pointing down year for WWE. It's been a Thumbs DOWN year for TNA. ROH? Two Thumps Up. Congratulations to them.
Posted By: Guest#3937 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 06:42 AM
i only watch tna. it annoys me sometimes. but guess what, most of the time i like their product. the wwe bores me. and roh seems bushleague. even more than tna.
Posted By: tully (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 07:20 AM
The only way I can get the ROH hate is through ignorance. Even if they aren't your cup of tea, to say the shows are nothing but spot fests is factually incorrect. I consider a 15 minute match, where they wrestle preferable to a 3 minute raw or tna match where they get all their shit in. Of course I fear I'm not qualified to comment as my fave company currently is Chikara Pro who are nothing but spotfests and Tim Donst with the occasional proclamations of DOOM by Ultra Mantis Black. People have different opinions. There mst be something to this ROH if so many people support it. Just ignore the rabid ROH forum fanboys.
Posted By: Skintymcedger (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 08:16 AM
I can't belive that you have'nt included any ECW superstars apart from kelly kelly, and that was only because she's bad(though it is true)but you have to admit that this was ECW's best year ever, and I would of thought that you'd appreciate that, and P.S, ROH is terrible!!!
Posted By: Sammy Damarell (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Why was Kennedy an honorable mention as one of the worst wrestlers of 2007? He's a good wrestler.
Posted By: KennedyFan (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I'm an ROH fan. I have been since they started, but man alive do some people overrate it. Not so much the writers here even, but you say one bad thing about the promotion and the hardcore ROHbots instantly go into delirious (not the wrestler) ranting mode. At the same time the WWE fans saying ROH is all spotfests, boring technical stuff, and all the wrestlers look the same is nothing but ignorance. ROHbots really need to stop being so fuckin pretentious and I'd like to see some of these WWE fans give ROH a try. You never know, you might like it. If pressed I would have picked Raw for promotion of the year, because I loved just about everything involving their big stars(Cena, HBK, RKO, Edge, HHH, Umaga, J. Hardy) but ROH would have been an extremely close second and would have probably won several other categories. What's my point? I'm not even sure. I guess it's that WWE fans should give something a try before tearing it to shreds and it wouldn't hurt for ROHbots to stop with all the knee jerk reactions anytime something negative is said about your favorite promotion.
Posted By: Guest#6933 (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 10:36 AM
People hating on ROH... Thats pathetic. Someone said that there is no storytelling, and its only spotfests. When WWE or TNA have a match, with a story in it, then you can come back and let me know. Until then, I'm cool with watching awesome matches from Bryan Danielson, Takeshi Morishima, Nigel McGuinness, The Briscoes, and on and on and on. ROH is MILES ahead of WWE, and TNA.
Posted By: Andrew (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Thank all of you who posted comments about how much 411 tends to overslurp ROH. I was starting to think that I was the only one who thought ROH was good, but not great. I will admit that I love watching Nigel's matches, but I just don't care much about the rest of their roster.
Posted By: Reichou (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 11:38 AM
lol at people blindly bashing ROH without giving any real reasons. Oh, they wrestle in gyms, it MUST be bad... Great logic >_>
Posted By: soulpower (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Plain & simple, wrestling "fans" that don't like ROH aren't wrestling fans, they're Vince McMahon fans (and idiots). These are probably guys who use to buy Bushwackers figures & have ripped at least 1 t-shirt trying to imitate the "best wrestler ever" Hulk Hogan. They most likely don't even know real wrestling. They don't like ROH cause there's not 4 segments per show dedicated to Leprechauns, not enough promos about 60 year old "grapefruits", & no 70 year old women giving birth to rubber hands. So go ahead and somehow enjoy that horrible garbage that Vince puts out, and just let us, the real wrestling fans, enjoy some great wrestling.
Posted By: matrix1004 (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 11:54 AM
OMFG I'm an ignorant WWE fan!!!!!11!!!! ROH sucks because the hav3 matches in small ar3nas!!11!!eleven! My attention span keeps me from watchin matches over 10 minutes!!!1!!1! But seriously, all this ROH hate is ridiculous. WWE is crap "entertainment" while TNA is the definiton of wasted potential.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:02 PM
The one that's really jumping out for me on today's awards is the Worst Match of the year. Particularly the 411mania comments on the match itself by Scott Slimmer, who wrote: "Let's start with the fact that the two 'wrestlers' were really two-bit actors who had no business ever stepping foot in a wrestling ring. Needless to say, the in-ring 'action' was so incredibly horrible that it could later be used as a point of reference to make Kelly Kelly look like a decent wrestler. ...a match between a fake Trump and a fake Rosie, neither of whom could wrestle..."
First off, I totally agree that the segments were all bad... all of it... everything up to and including the match. But the problem wasn't that the 10 or so minutes of in-ring action was bad. The problem was that it wasn't booked properly. Not that it should have been booked at all. But since it was, Kiley McLean and Ace Steel (two pro wrestlers, not actors) actually worked some decent in-ring action. Problem is that it was the wrong kind of in-ring action. I can see the blame for that totally falling on WWE as they are completely out of touch with how to use humor in wrestling. And this was a classic example. It would be like two guys on a HUSTLE show working armbars and chinlocks with no shenanigans. As for this being the worst match of the year, I'm cool with that because of things like the crowd reaction or even them not using the proper comedy psychology. But trashing Kiley and Ace for being "as bad in the ring as Kelly Kelly" is way off the mark.
Posted By: Henry (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Guest #6933 said this..."but you say one bad thing about the promotion and the hardcore ROHbots instantly go into delirious (not the wrestler) ranting mode. At the same time WWE fans saying ROH is all spotfests, boring technical stuff, and all the wrestlers look the same is nothing but ignorance."
This is exactly why ROHbots go into delirious mode when someone bashes ROH. The TNA or WWE fanboys are ignorant and they really have nothing bad to say. If you don't like ROH just state that it's not your cup of tea, and move on with your life. You really aren't saying anything bad by stating it's boring technical wrestling, because ROH is wrestling and an alternative to the crap on tv. If you find it boring don't watch it, but when the company continues gain praise and more fans every year then it truely isn't that boring and that crappy. You also can't say it's just spotfest, because that's just false and not fact. Any ROH fan could prove that to you. Hell you could prove it to yourself if you just watched a DVD or two. And please (besides the Briscoes) tell me who looks alike? The TV Fanboys just can't handle the fact that people have different opinions and enjoy different things than they do.
Posted By: Marcus (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:42 PM
While WWE may be better entertainment for some of you, it obviously isn't for a lot of others; it's all preference. But for those of us who want to see good ring work and for actual in the ring wrestling, WWE can not hold a candle to ROH outside of a few of the Fed's best matches of the year. I long for the day when Etards get away from using the same old arguments for why everything not coming out of New York sucks that they've been using since ECW. No psychology, generic look, nothing but spots (be they garbage or highspots), they suck becuase they have small crowds? Get over it. You really have been brainwashed.
Posted By: grannoche (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I'd also like to point out something else that makes no sense coming from all the Vince ball washers out there. They say that ROH is both boring technical stuff and spotfests. Hmmm, it's both, which are kind of at the opposite ends of the spectrum? These Etards are probably wearing Hardy Boyz t-shirts while they're calling the Briscoes spot monkeys.
Posted By: matrix1004 (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 02:03 PM
What RoH? Never heard of it before, how does some lonily indy division, that has seen, heard about, and no one care about win Fed of the year??
Posted By: Uglar (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:13 PM
This is a quote from GoldLoad's post: "Hell we are seeing glimpses of this happening already, Samoa Joe, and Homicide are in TNA, CM Punk is the ECW champ, which if that isn't irony I don't know what is, and Matt Sydal and Colt Cabana will be out of OVW and into the WWE pretty soon. What better place for the future of the WWE to be produced?"
This proves my point. This is like saying the South Atlantic League (Double A minor league baseball) champions are the best team in baseball because their players then go on to make an impact in the majors. Face it all of you "ROHbots," WWE is the BIG LEAGUES. Until you reach the show, you don't matter.
And ECW changed wrestling by being the first fed to really bring in the luche and Japanese styles to American fans. They started the hardcore style match and took the garbage match to a new level. These actions led both WCW and WWE introducing a greater hardcore portion of their show. WCW adopted the international style by bringing in many who performed in ECW along with others from Europe, Asia and Latin America. ECW changed wrestling.
ROH will not change wrestling. When their "stars" are leaving for bigger, better companies to perform in front of bigger crowds across the country, it only makes them look week.
Also, one of the most asanine arguments made by 411 writers for ROH being at the top is how they got past the adversity of losing many of their biggest stars, whether it was to another fed or to injury.
Didn't WWE lose the Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Edge and HHH for large portions of this year? If you are going to list the top 5 draws in WWE those are it. Then they were also without Rey Mysterio and Matt Hardy. Oh yea, and Chris Benoit no-showed a PPV to kill his family. That was an easy one to get past.
Yet they still moved forward. Randy Orton was elevated, as was Jeff Hardy. CM Punk has become a mainstay. John Morrison was created and looked great. MVP took his game to a new level.
WWE had a very strong year when all of their struggles are taken intoc consideration. Don't tell me ROH had it rough losing Homicide and WWE had nothing but clear winds to sail on.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:32 PM
411, please discontinue the comments on the site. The comments on here are some of the most idiotic things I have ever heard or seen. It's also childish and immature beyond belief. Somehow, ROH is supposed to have amazing tons of money for great production values, a stage, amazing sound quality, and wrestle in arenas? Give me a break.
I can't wait for the awful comments when John Cena gets one of the top spots on Wrestler of the Year. Oh boy! ROH haters AND John Cena haters. How can the IWC get any more blind?
Posted By: Marcin (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I don't have a problem with ROH fans saying the wrestling is better than WWE but to say that it is the best fed is absolutely ridiculous. Hardly anyone watches it. As someone already pointed out, it would be like saying that the Single-A baseball league champions went undefeated so they are better than the MLB World Series Champions. ROH is the minor leagues. WWE is the big leagues, where the wrestlers in ROH want to ultimately go.
Posted By: ND (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 02:45 PM
- Carlito suckz cuz even though i've never met the man and know nothing about him as a perso, everyone on the internet says he doesn't care as much as i would if i was him
- TNA doesn't suck THAT bad. i mean, it suckz, but not THAT bad.
- Vince suckz cuz he knows nothing about wrestling or how to get people to watch his shows. if I was in charge of WWE it would be SOOOO much better!!1!
- ROH suckz cuz they're not not popular with the mainstream
-Cena suckz cuz he's popular with the mainstream
/sarcasm off
Posted By: "Typical 411 Reader" (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:02 PM
To tell you the truth, I've watched ROH and I like it for the most part. But I'll readily admit that ROH doesn't have the story telling that WWE matches have. I'll tell you what, the Briscoes vs Steen and Generico matches were good, but they were spotfests. When looking back at the year, I'll always put a well done, solid story telling match like HBK vs Cena at both WM and RAW, Batista vs Taker at WM, and other WWE matches over ROH. This is not only because the storytelling is much better, but because they have a greater audience and a bigger influence over the product. Anyone who says that ROH is the best product is living a pipe dream.
Posted By: Joel (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:11 PM
And of course, by spotfests I don't always mean high spots. You can have a match thats mostly technical spotfests...with one technically impressive move after another with no selling of the impact and no story telling in the middle. I'm looking at you Bryan Danielson.
Posted By: Joel (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Ok, time to put the fucking haters to bed here. Becasue every single person who said RoH is NOT the best fed of the year is a hypocrite by basis of why you call the WWE better. You want to know what we judge the WWE and RoH on?? WRESTLING! Something that Ring of Honor gives its fans, not some fucking midget jumping around and forcing talented performers to run into a wall. They give us an alternative to the mainstream bullshit that is Vince McMahon bithcing and complaining and overexposing his sorry ass on television every freaking week. Do I still like watching the Hardys, Cena, EDge, etc...? Of course I do. But I just can not sit through all the other crap at the same time.
I used to be like many people who would swear by the WWE and nothing else, not even ECW and ECW when it was around. I gave TNA a chance, but Vince Russo fucked that up. I gave Ring of Honor the same chance and they earned my respect last year and continue to do so. I can take the worst RoH I have ever been to and it would top just about every god damn thing I have ever seen from the WWE. This is not coming from an ROH-bot, but from someone who has actually seen hundreds in not thousands of matches from both and made a decision based on fact, not some ignorant bullshit like half the IWC does.
Posted By: Michael Bauer (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 03:39 PM
So wait, the best federation of the year put on Vengence? Hard Justice? Those are by far the worst excuses for wrestling shows I have ever witnessed. Not to mention, that it cost me 70 bucks to get them. No, the best fed put on Driven and Man Up. 30 dollars, the match of the year, and great stroy telling is what I got out of those two. Ring of Honor is ages ahead of the WWE, and this is coming from an avid WWE fan who has attended 3 PPVs this year and has floor seats to Royal Rumble. When I attend a WWE event though (such as the 15th anniversary Raw, which was awesome), I expect to see something that is entertaining. When I go to an ROH show (I've been to 5 this year) I expect to be blown away by the best wrestlers in the world. Nigel, Danielson, Jacobs, Richards, Aries, etc. are all much better wrestlers than the average WWE wrestler. ROH is the best fed because it has above and beyond the best booking (i.e. no one in Ring of Honor got blown up in a limo only to come back a few weeks later and there are no midgets controling a large portion of the show). I realize that this is going to sound arragont, but I honestly believe if you don't like ROH, yet you still pretend to be a wrestling fan, you're kidding yourself.
Posted By: Bernie (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Having just been at the last PPV taping for ROH, I think they deserve the Promotion of the Year award... I mean seriously, Aries\McGuinness was off the wall! Plus add in the MCMG\Briscoes match and the long Whitmer\Jacobs feud. Maybe in 20 years ROH won't mean much, maybe nothing at all... But in 2007 they sure have done alot that warrants meaning!
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Here's the thing. I love ROH, but I'm the first to admit that they have problems. But when it comes down do it, ROH puts on the best matches on a consistent basis. To me, the biggest problem with pro wrestling in general is that there is a lack of storytelling in matches across TNA, WWE, and ROH. I believe ROH tells the best stories of all the big companies. WWE, to me, is what it is. It does provide good entertainment at times, but the focus is on entertainment and less on wrestling. and I accept that. I am a firm believer WWE and ROH each have the right to exist in this country. Why can't WWE marks and ROHbots get along? It's two completely different styles of wrestling but neither is necessarily all bad or all good. Bryan Danielson is my favorite wrestler going right now. John Cena is nowhere near as technically sound, but I when it comes time for a Pay-Per-View I know Cena will go out there and bust his butt to put on the best match he can.
WWE is clearly the most popular federation in the United States right now. But that's not what we're voting on. We're voting on "Best Fed of 2007." In my view, ROH is the best. Agree or disagree, but understand there are many right ways to do professional wrestling.
Posted By: Jerome Cusson (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 04:25 PM
For the person asking about Black Reign, I will say it again. Just because something didn't win or wasn't mentioned does not mean that it wasn't voted for. Believe me, he was voted for.
Posted By: James Thomlison (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Do not make Stephen Randall sad.
Posted By: Matt Adamson (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 04:38 PM
1. Back during J.D. Dunn's list of matches of the year, I told the Cena and ROH haters that you were going to go mad based on the year end awards. So all of this is really unsurprising, but maybe a bit sad and depressing.
2. ROH's goal has never been at any immediate point to be the BIG LEAGUES. Duh, of course WWE is the big leagues, probably now and forever. What are ROH's goals? To put on a quality wrestling product and make money, while also expanding general awareness of their product. This year they get a big check mark next to all three of those goals. You don't have to the the most mainstream, big league company to be considered a success (or, for that matter best company of the year).
3. The claim that ROH is just highspots and that their is no "storytelling" in their matches is still and will always be downright laughable. Check out any Danielson vs. Morishima match for starters, or Chris Hero vs. Nigel McGuinness from Glory By Honor 6 which has an intrinsic storyline based on Nigel's arm injury.
3a. Even guys like Evans, who relies on more flying attack "spots" has learned to make that moment make sense within that match.
4. Don't forget that some of the most "hardcore" ROH fans writing for 411 and voting here once began it all as fans of another product. We don't just follow one promotion blindly. Some of us (ahem...) choose not to watch TNA because it is unbearable TV but that doesn't mean we don't know what's going on and don't give credit to what's good when it happens.
Posted By: Ari Berenstein (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Bryan Danielson is many things. But he is not a spot monkey, nor a spotty wrestler. I'm not always his biggest fan, but he tells some great stories in the ring and is the nearest wrestler today to the Crocket era NWA workers. The thing I apreciate most about ROH is that nearly always everything builds to something else. Moments in matches build towards moments in other matches. Characters evolve naturally over time. ROH tells great subtle, mature stories. Its different to WWE and its arrogance to think both fan bases cross over completely, but as far as in ring product goes its the best promotion in the US right now. I still find Chikara more consistantly fun.
Posted By: Skintymcedger (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 05:38 PM
So again, this comes back to the question: What makes a fed the best?
411's answer is who has the best wrestling.
So I guess the reason that wrestling became the international power it has in the last 10 years is in-ring wrestling.
Wait... or is it story-telling? Stables, promos, characters, vignettes, all of these things go into what makes a show entertaining. It is sports-entertainment after all.
Jerome Cusson is either 12 years old or half retarded to say that the ROH wrestlers go into the ring and "they compete." Compete for what? It's a scripted match. They know who is going to win. They know who is going to lose. The entire match has been laid out before they step into the ring. There is no competition.
Competition involves two parties vying for victory. Yes, there is a winner and a loser, but it's predetermined.
And for those saying that WWE put on Vengeance, which was an awful PPV, so they can't be a good promotion... shut it. How many PPV's did ROH put out last year? 2? they just put together a 3rd? Woo hoo. I'm excited.
If WWE had 3 PPV's a year and they were able to dedicate all of their creative time and energy to building to 3 shows, it would be a lot better. Fact is, they put on more than a PPV a month. Why do they do this? It makes cash. Cash money. Something that ROH wishes they had. Should WWE cut back on their PPVs? Probably. They did. New Year's Revolution was cut, so was December to Dismember. This way they can focus on the others.
To Bauer, your nothing more than a cocky, arrogant, elitist fuck. You talk about Vince treating his fans like they are stupid. What about the readers of this site? You are the fucking hypocrite. I got a great idea. How about I insult my entire readership. Take a step back and recognize you don't shit gold, bud.
And to Ari, next time I start thinking about who deserves honors, it should be based on accomplishing their goals. So if the Florida Marlins' goal is to unload any high salary on their team, and they do it, I'll say they are franchise of the year. And when my son comes home with straight C's on this report card, I'll be satisfied because his goal was to pass all of his classes.
ROH has matched their goals and are moving forward but to say they are the best is ridiculous. WWE is still the best by far.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM
These awards are good reading. TNA really is just the worst of everything.
Posted By: Jeff Carrot (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM
So the best fed is the one that makes the most money? We don't watch wrestling because it turns a profit, regardless of whether you find them entertaining or not. I like the WWE, but I prefer ROH. That I prefer ROH takes nothing away from the WWE and its successes, its not a negative comment upon it, its stating a preference for another company. Whether you agree with the opinions of the writers at 411 or not, respect their rights to have opinions contry to yours. The WWE is the most successful wrestling company no doubt. But that doesn't make it the most entertaining to every viewer.
Posted By: Skintymcedger (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 07:00 PM
What was that Skinty? Did you say WWE is the most successful wrestling company?
What is the only wrestling federation in the US that will endure?
There is a reason why they have reached that stature and that's because they are the best. Professional Wrestling's job is to entertain. More people buy Wrestlemania each year then people who know ROH exists. Outside of smarks like us who read this site a comment on these insignificant rankings, ROH means jack squat.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 07:57 PM
What's even better is the fact that ROH can convert WWE fan to their product. Me and my friends were watching Survivor Series, and after the show, they showed a commercial for Man Up. Almost all of them wanted to watch the show after he things shown. And to the guy that said that you can't judg a promotion by wrestling - ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?! You've been brainwashed by Vince McMahon. In the end, wrestling is truly the most important part, and since ROH provides the best of this, they're the best. It doesn't matter how popular it is or how big of an impact it'll make in the long-term - if it has the best wrestling, then it's the bes fed. Period.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 08:05 PM
You know what? Fuck trying to argue with Kyle. He's an ignorant WWE mark who thinks he knows everything, when he's really just been brainwashed by a roided up hypocrite who insults his fans' intelligence, has a warped perception of what wrestling is, and think he's a genius
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 08:19 PM
Man oh Man...Ok first of all i gettin sick to my stomach on everyone hattin on TNA.It is the greatest company out there, give it time they don't have a lot of money. but they still have a good fan base. i have been a fan of wrestling for years starting off going to stampede wrestling, i used to like the wwe, really miss WCW. now there is TNA and for me, i think it is the future of the wrestling world..talent like aj styles,robert rude,samoa joe, don't let me forget the big bad booty daddy steiner,the instant classic,booker t all wrestlers unlike cena,headlock orton,kahli gimmie a freakin break.TNA we are wresting just remember that and u will be ok....To all u hatters of TNA fuck all. time for a change don't be scared
Posted By: austin (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 08:57 PM
I don't know what's more pathetic, your arguments, the fact that I read them, or the fact that I'm responding to them. Why can't someone enjoy Cena, the Hardys, etc., TNA, ROH, and whatever else? I remember watching a show on sat. mornings showing clips from all the territories and enjoying them for what they were, not arguing that Mid-South was better than Florida Championship Wrestling or the Pacific Northwest. You guys arguing that "my fed is better than your fed" are a bunch of fuckin' clowns. Just enjoy what you can from each fed. No matter what fed it is, some of it is good, some of it sucks, and some of it is just ok. On WM weekend, I'm going to one of the ROH shows and to WM, and I'm gonna have a good fuckin' time ENJOYING both shows.
Posted By: JackbomB (Registered) on January 03, 2008 at 09:32 PM
Since Vince closed all the major competetion aka WCW and ECW he has trotted out pure shit in the way of wrestling .
ROH may be a spot fest but try tell me wwe aint one as well
I now watch the classics as at least i can see what wrestling was before Vince buggered it
Posted By: John (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 09:41 PM
TNA is NOT a good promotion. Vince Russo makes a bunch of dumb booking decisions, while they push former WWE stars over home grown talent. However, WWE's just as bad, and they treat everyone like shit.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 09:49 PM
I think everyone should just calm down and remember that this is a matter of opinion. If you think ROH sucks fine, but don't give all their fans a hard time and say that it is the worst, because that's just your opinion. Same goes the other way. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to insult people who do.
Posted By: Darcy (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 09:52 PM
Can see both sides of the ROH/WWE argument, but I'd like to congratulate 411 for getting one thing absolutely rihgt: TNA is a new level of hell. Even Lucifer will watch a match and slit his wrists. TNA is a horrible, horrible, joke of a travesty of a train-wreck who is trying to imitate the WWE and bleeding money as they do so. They'll go under within half a year, Kurt Angle will be without a job, Samoa Joe will finally make it to the big leagues and the bright lights and I for one couldn't be happier. Fuck TNA!
Posted By: Finn (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Actually, I think TNA will eventually be more successful than WWE. You see, wrestling is a cyclical business where history will almost ALWAYS repeat itself. Right now, TNA is going through the same phase as WCW where they start out as the awesome alternative, but then a terrible higher-up, whether it be a booker or president, tries to make it like WWE, but they end up floundering. TNA might end up taking a truly huge star from WWE that would probably end up being a sevre blow to them, and TNA will eventually find success.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 03, 2008 at 10:42 PM
JJ, buddy, pal, old friend. I don't know who you are, but you obviously have no idea who I am. I own several ROH tapes. I don't hate their product. The in-ring product is better then WWE from the first match to the last match. WWE simply does a LOT more than ROH does. They have 3 shows. They have 5 hours of programming a week on TV. They draw ridiculous numbers, and while we look at their ratings coming back to earth, it's still 3 times or more than anything TNA can muster. Fact is, ROH would draw less.
I just get sick of 411 writers creaming their pants everytime ROH puts together a show. WWE looks for the long run. They build superstars. They market their product. They earn money from many different outlets. They are a major international corporation. ROH has to focus on one thing and that's wrestling. They also have to be absolutely sure that each show is phenominal because it could be their last. Putting together a DVD isn't cheap for a small time company like them, so they have to sell out each time they go out. ROH is good for what they are but they aren't ECW, they aren't WWE.
Fed of the Year should be the company that had the greatest impact on the industry. Until someone comes along that can compete with WWE like WCW did in the late '90's, nobody else should be considered Fed of the Year. It's not even close.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on January 04, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I agree with every pick made as well. Granted I've been a WWE/F fan since the late 80's, but I appreciate genuine wrestling. Vince actually used to focus on the in rin product back in the day, remember when you could watch a summer slam or a wrestlemania and there was solid action throughout every match? And you care about every little storyline regardless if major stars were involved or not? Those days are gone, Yes WWE is the epitome of entertainment, & can produce serious stars; but it destroys "Wrestlers" and makes them Side Show attractions. ROH is more than Spot Fest folks, they are Pro Wrestling. And if ROH and it's roster are supposedly so bad, why everytime you turn around you see Vince signing another member of the roster? He may not admit it out-right, but he see's the potential threat they pose, even more so than TNA.
Posted By: CJ_615 (Guest) on January 04, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Kyle, you're wrong. What you need to understand is that WWE is a BAD PROMOTION and thus has done nothing to show that they deserve to win FOTY. It doesn't matter how popular they are, how may shows they do (and when you look at it, ROH does PPV level straight-to-DVD shows every month), or how big-budget they are. ROH has been consistently awesome, and since fed of the year is supposed to go to whatever promotion that puts out the best matches and feuds, ROH gets the award. And besides, if WWE were truly developing stars, then they wouldn't be in a danger zone every time they lose someone. In the end, its not who makes the biggest long term impact, its what's providing the best WRESTLING on a regular basis. And if ROH isn't making a big impact, then how come WWE and TNA are picking at their roster and signing away talent from them? About 80% of the stars that were aquired from ROH are featured players in both promotions, and ROH gave those guys the exposure that they needed.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 04, 2008 at 01:52 AM
to suggest that ROH is a spotfest is to prove that you have never actually watched it seriously... to suggest that it is held in high school gyms is to prove yourself a fool, given they regularly run the manhattan centre- which people would recognise as the original site of wwe raw- i suspect many people bashing ROH don't know this, as they're noobs who have been watching SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT for three years and think they know what its all about... Bash ROH all u like if you don't like it- but it is the best WRESTLING promotion out there. the fact that some of you people don't get it due to its lack of funny john cena promos and jeff hardy body paint and its overuse of pyro only shows that you are actually fans of sports entertainment, not wrestling. there's nothing wrong with that, its just the way it is...
Posted By: Andy (Guest) on January 04, 2008 at 01:57 AM
No really, Punkhead.
Tell us all what you REALLY feel about Bill and Doug.
Posted By: lightning116 (Guest) on January 06, 2008 at 05:26 AM
Team Pac-Man was a horrible tag team, but they did with the TNA tag titles. I'd have voted for The Major Brothers. Those guys don't deserve a spot on the main roster!!!
Posted By: GUEST (Guest) on January 07, 2008 at 08:56 PM
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