What Were They Thinking? 01.12.08: TNA and People Who Don't Belong There
Posted by William Bumgarner on 01.12.2008
This week, I take a look at those TNA had no business hiring.
Welcome back to What Were They Thinking?. Before I like to begin, many, many thanks to Larry Csonka for moving me up to Saturdays. (I shall try not to disappoint you, Csonka-sama.) This week, I talk about TNA and their rampant hiring of WWE cast-offs. I know this has been talked about before, but I believe there's something going unsaid. That being, of course, that hiring a few select talents that would work well on their roster wasn't a bad thing. The
Dudleys and Rhino were good picks (sad now that they're being put in bad storylines or not used at
all). Christian was a very good pick. But picking up Kurt and Booker was oversaturation. let's
review:
Christian brought a lot better wrestling to TNA, plus gave it an injection of badly-needed
experience. Most of the guys on TNA's roster are younger guys who are good, but still need
improvement. Christian was in the WWE for several years, knows his way around the ring, and
would have quite a bit of knowledge to impart on younger wrestlers. Also, I recall there being a lot of buzz around Christian's arrival in TNA. But when Kurt Angle and then Booker T showed
up, there wasn't that kind of reaction. Not because they aren't good entertainers, but because it's
kind of like "been there, done that". WCW hired a lot of WWE rejects, as well, but it was a few
years, at least, before things started to go downhill. Hogan was the WWF's biggest star for a long
time, and Nash and Hall, while not as big as Hogan was, made an impact on WCW where, I've
always felt, their real claim to fame lies. When they hired away guys like Jeff Jarrett and X-
Pac....then they had problems. Booker T does have charisma, but the biggest
moments in his career involved being the WCW Champion during the promotion's dying years. Kurt
Angle's had his share of accomplishments, but, like many, I have trouble seeing where he fits in
with TNA. Forthe record, I don't feel he fits there any better than he did on WWECW. For that
matter, I can't think of any WWE guys who really would fit in TNA right now, save for
Mysterio, Super Crazy, and perhaps Funaki. But, at this point, if TNA asked me if they should hire
any or all of those three, I'd say "No". If they hadn't already hired Kurt and Booker, I'd say "Do it".
But there are just too many ex-WWE wrestlers right now, and guys like Samoa Joe are paying for it
in pseudo-pushes, and others like Low-Ki and Daniels are paying for it in morale (which is shown by
both of them asking for their releases).
Despite how good a wrestler/mentor Christian is, however, he really wasn't necessary. TNA had
all the star power it needed to get where it is in the ratings; that was proven when Christian, Booker,
and Kurt didn't bring them up at all. True, TNA beat out WWECW recently when WWECW
ran on Thursday, but I think anyone would take TNA over what Vince tries to tell is the "new"
ECW (whereas all I see is another stage after OVW, but before Heat (but that's another
column entirely).
Anyway, another problem is that people are starting to see this as WWE Lite, and that's never
a good thing. TNA wrestlers being booked in a late WCW/modern WWE style (DQ finishes, run-ins
galore, and insane gimmicks/personas) is just plain bad. Some have escaped it (Joe and
Kong being booked as the monsters they are despite Joe never getting a title run), but others are
dying because of it (Black Reign, Judas Mesias, and Rellik, anyone?). TNA is obviously focusing all
of their attention on the veterans at this stage, and it's hurting the business. If the veterans were
guys like Rob Van Dam, who can work good matches no matter what, or a technical master like
Lance Storm, who can not only work matches but work with the talent off-camera to improve their
skills, then I wouldn't have this issue. But I just can't see what Booker and Kurt are bringing to the
table. As JP Prag mentioned in the Wrestling News Journal this past week, TNA's PPV buyrates
are slipping, and I do believe that it's because people don't want to pay for something that isn't
much better than a free TV match. Sorry, TNA, but a Barbed Wire Massacre (as enjoyable as that
is to someone like me) doesn't make up for an X-Division where the champ can't even have his belt
aroud his waist, Tag-Team Champions who can't get along (this goes for both Joe/Nash and
AJ/Tomko now) and a World Title scene dominated by guys that the WWE, for one reason or
another, decided they didn't want on the roster anymore. Give that belt to Sting if it's going to an
older guy; but it should really be on Joe's shoulder right now, and if not his, then AJ's. But all of the
guys who got me hooked on TNA are being made to look like total idiots and/or punching bags and it's not doing anything but hurting business and, ultimately, the bottom line. This is the one flaw I find in TNA (everything else I can find something good about), but it's the one that can destroy them quicker than any other. (Probably the biggest victim of this is Shark Boy, who was jobbed out again this past Thursday to Tomko, who is - surprise, surprise - an ex-WWE star.)
The last thing I want to say to those who are telling me not to be so negative: duh. That was the whole reason for this column. I get sick and tired of corporate ass-kissers putting a shine-and-polish on everything. That said, if you don't like what I have to say, don't read the column. SImple as that. I watch wrestling because I enjoy it on the whole, but I'm not afraid to say that I don't like something or point out the flaws I see. I'm more of a TNA fan than a WWE fan these days; I freely admit that. But both feds are making mistakes at this point; potentially fatal ones. Even with all the power he's accumulated, Vince should be worried. (Especially since iMPACT kicked WWECW's ass in the ratings one Thrsday night not too long ago.)
Are you serious? Christian had a lot of buzz, in that you are correct. But the buzz that Angle generated was a thousand times more. Looks like you hurried writing your column and forgot to check your thoughts with reality. Writing 101.
Posted By: Joel (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:25 PM
Maybe you read the Ham. Ave. Journal different than me. What I saw was not that Impact jumped up in ratings, but that ECW fell in ratings in the middle of holidays. Sure Impact did not lose viewers, but it didn't gain any either. I don't think Vince is worried about his third tier show being beaten 2 weeks out of 52. I'm not a heavy watcher of ECW, but I will guess that the ratings go up in the build to WM. TNA can survive with a 1.1 week after week. It needs to exist, but unless TNA makes major changes, I don't see them getting to the 1.5s needed to beat ECW, which is more or less Heat 2K8
Posted By: Kairow (Registered) on January 12, 2008 at 02:41 PM
you know kurt aint half bad, but black reign and judas need to get the f out. they really do need new blood im tired of seein the same people every week. i wish theyd get rid of roode and acquire some talent like jack evans or SABU!...
Posted By: creativ-genius (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:45 PM
The difference? When Christian joined the company TNA was still getting around 50,000 to 60,000 for thier PPVs. After Angle joined those buyrates dropped to 30,000 to 20,000.
Posted By: Craig (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Wow, you are misinformed. TNA was NEVER doing 50-60,000 buys for their PPVs. Sorry to burst the bubble man, but you can't hate on Kurt for that. Kurt didn't drop buys to 20-30,000, he, Sting and Christian raised them to 20-30,000.
Posted By: Joel (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:54 PM
"If the veterans were
guys like Rob Van Dam, who can work good matches no matter what"
since when is Van Dam a great worker? entertaining maybe, but most of the time, he doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
also, why do you say one minute that TNA beating ECW in the ratings was no big deal, then by the end of the column, you say it was?
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:55 PM
The title is misleading. I thought I was coming here to read about what guys TNA shouldn't have brought in, not the guys who make up their title picture. Give me an article telling me how bad guys like Test, Rikishi, Stamboli, Hall, Steiner, Steiner and ill read it. Give me an article about how they are losing key roster members in Harris, Ki, Killings, and ill read that too. Bitching about how u don't the biggest names the have brought in from the E that can improve the product(if booked properly) dosnt really keep my interst
Posted By: Zeke (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 02:58 PM
hay i totally agree with your colum, i started watching TNA to see something guys like, Joe, AJ and Daniels and because this "X division" was supposed to be the baddest thing out, but i stopped watching after a few months when the gimmicks became unbarable and it became TNANGLE, it's really sad there is so much potential and talent, i would be pissed if i were TNA homegrown, now i only watch to see Kong kill people, and cause i think ODB is HOT!!!!!
Posted By: otis (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM
big woop they beat vinces "D" brand,tna's biggest problem is,trying to be number 1 like Raw but they fail. They should keep working to get nearer smackdown and defintaley better that wwecw
Posted By: mac (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM
I'd pay to see RVD/Joe and RVD/AJ.
If TNA wanted to make the X division the focus again, RVD is a guy they should bring in. If not, he wouldn't make a difference because everybody's seen him wrestle Christian, Angle, Booker T, Rhyno, etc.
Of course you'd need to give the matches TIME, which TNA has a habit of not doing. But yeah, he could do really good stuff for TNA.
Could for WWE too. You heard the pop. Let him go all out and pay his 1000 bucks a year into the wellness fund and you've got one more main event event talent no matter where he lands.
Posted By: Bahb (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 03:13 PM
It's like the 90's all over again, with WWE(F) marks just slating anything the competition did, just for the sake of it. Amazing how 6 months ago Booker T was considered a key member of the WWE roster and now he's looked down upon. *cough* *wwe marks* *cough* lol
Posted By: kliq316 (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Please just quit again so we don't have to read your bitching anymore. You are just as bad as Rob Halden.
Posted By: Donco (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 03:49 PM
I think it kinda depends on who they bring in for what. Guys who didn't come in and use their time in WWE as an excuse to be main eventers are okay, So Rhino is okay and Christian is when he doesn't refrence "history" with Booker and Angle and focuses on his TNA time. Angle is so super talented that I don't have a problem with him.
on the other hand Kevin Nash and VKM need to go! All Nash does is talk about his WCW days to make jokes only people who've been watching wrestling for the past 16 years (longer than a lot of fans have been alive) will get. and VKMs "fued with DX" was retarded obvious trash talking that only cemented WWE as the big promotion.
Ironically TNA does a good job with it's Women from WWE. maybe because in TNA women's matches are matches and not just "Lingere Pillow Fights", (lets face it McMahon would never book Kong) So I have no Problem with Gail Kim. and I like that Shelly Martinez has a diffrent gimmick that lets her do diffrent things for the diffrent promotion. I wonder how long till Russo makes one of the wrestlers keep making vampire jokes and Spoil the character of "Salinas" for us, and never letting Ariel be in the past.
Bottom line when TNA focuses on TNA and makes you forget the comptetion it's good, when TNA focuses on reminding what kind of legends competition created all it does is Cement WWE as the place to make a name for yourself.
Posted By: Davy (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 04:05 PM
Good points william. I do hope that with what happened on Thursday's Impact it will be the beginning of the build with all of their divisions, which is something WWE has no concept of. It's refreshing to see someone who admits what they think and not be afraid of the marks.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 04:32 PM
to a previous poster when kurt angle signed with tna, their ppv buys shot up to 50-60,000.
Posted By: lionhearted (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 04:43 PM
This was a terrible, TERRIBLE article.
Posted By: The Critic (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 04:46 PM
I agreed with you column last week, but I'm not sure I completely agree this week. Christian was a good signing, but I'd also consider Kurt Angle and Booker T in that list, as well.
Posted By: Matt Eli (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 05:51 PM
vince has and would book someone like Kong he has in the past when he booked Bull Nakano.
Posted By: vanwertfan (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 06:07 PM
In fairness to Tomko, he's greatly improved thanks to his New Japan career (concurrent with TNA); I understand that he's actually contracted to them.
Posted By: Edward (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 06:46 PM
While I agree with you about some of the signings I disagree on this point. When WCW signed Hall and Nash they put them in an incredible angle that changed everything about wrestling - look it up, it's the truth. They didn't just sign them and then throw them out there in a regular role. Granted, say what you want about them backstage - but Eric B had a plan and worked it. Problem was it got stale and had no where else to go... Now with TNA, we get the WWrEjects and there is nothing "new" when they come in. It's pretty standard, they come in and get pushed as "SUPERSTARS" who just wanted to come to TNA - boring. Have Angle get them all together and go after the TNA homegrown talents or something. Yeah, it's like the nWo, but it's still better than what's going on now. Or have Joe follow up all the comments he makes by putting together a "Super stable" of TNA regulars. Sorta like a Four Horsemen deal. Off hand I would say make it Joe, Storm, AJ, Daniels, and Hoyt. I know Hoyt doesn't excite anyone right now, but a little ways back he was very passable. See TNA is just re-hashing "Sports Entertainment circa 1997 - 2001" when they should be going in a whole different direction. Yes there is a place for the WWrEjects but it's not how they are currently using them. But since we have Jarrett and Russo being the main players of the booking commitee - this is what we have. Russo needs to go back to what made him put WWF/E back into the limelight - BE DIFFERENT. I dont want to see GoldReign or Rellik. Judas Mesias is ok, but for crying out loud, Undertaker/Kane 2K8????? TNA has all they need. Even without Low Ki, Harris and the others. Robert Roode will be money, ditto Storm, Eric Young, Jay Lethal, the MCMG's and more. Stop with the stupid gimmicks (see "Maple Leaf Muscle - or as he looks like now Scott Steiner's mini-me). But sadly, the bookers are the problem. A bunch of former WWF/E and WCW people - that's the real problem.
Posted By: JT (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Yes, wrestlers that were in WWE at one point and were considered "key players" at the time, doesn't necessarily mean that 1. They will fit what is SUPPOSED to be a different mold than the WWE and 2. They should automatically get shot to the top of the ranks because of their previously held status in another company...it makes everyone else on the roster look weak compared to them, like the WWE rejects are so much better that they don't have to wrestle midcarders for a year...i think Christian was a great addition because he still has so much to bring to the table being young and able to bring what he can in practically any angle or match...i feel Kurt and Booker had their time, and shouldn't be put somewhere they don't entirely fit...so i agree with here...i began watching TNA because although i love WWE and have since i was a kid, i would feel unsatisfied at times with the wrestling the last few years...and TNA gave a great program with some AMAZING wrestling...that is what TNA should be focused on...doing what it is that got them to this spot in the first place
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 09:20 PM
The problem is not that we're "corporate ass-kissers [who put] a shine-and-polish on everything" but because your column is legitimately shitty. I can understand having a negative column and that's fine but when the only thing you're putting into it is shit, it will be nothing but shit.
Posted By: MC42 (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Wow... I don't agree with anything this guy has to say at all! A lot of ranting with no clear evidence or point.
Posted By: Snedpop (Guest) on January 12, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Man I thought I'd give you a chance as the premise of the column was great. But geez that was lousy, it looks and reads like you knocked it together in 15 minutes. Where's the depth and facts? Sorry but how you got on here I don't know. And I'm a writer with previous journo experience so I should know.
Posted By: Col (Guest) on January 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM
I don't mind at all if you write negative thoughts. But you might want to do it in an organized coherent fashion, which you've completely failed to do here.
Posted By: Dan (Guest) on January 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
You're right - TNA should stop pushing former WWE stars and start pushing homegrown talent like former ROH star Samoa Joe and former ROH star A.J. Styles. Good call.
Posted By: Ted (Guest) on January 13, 2008 at 01:20 PM
I'd have to agree with Joel here, Angle was a BIG deal for TNA. Now, admittedly, Book hasn't had that kind of impact, but considering his ring work and mic work, you can't really say signing him was a mistake.
Back on Angle, though, he was a big deal. He was the first huge signing. To say he didn't have the buzz of Christian is majorly ignorant.
Posted By: Jeff (Guest) on January 13, 2008 at 02:13 PM
i agree with a lot of the stuff here but do think angle is a better champ than sting would be for tna (wweject or not), being an E fan myself the main things that cought my eye in TNA were AJ, Joe and Daniels and now that they are involved in stupid angles and not given their chances to shine, i find myself watching less TNA an more older ROH matches on youtube which is definately what dixie doesnt want.
Posted By: jacish23 (Guest) on January 13, 2008 at 07:17 PM
So from these comments I gathered that TNA should not use old WWE stars in main events, but the Booker signing was bad because he's messing around in the midcard. Also, Booker and Kurt have had their day and are washed up, but we love WWE which features in their main events, HHH, Michaels, Undertaker and Vince McMahon himself. All of which were headlining before Booker and Angle "had their day".
Personally, I think TNA has a more talented roster than WWE at this point. Vinnie can not create stars anymore. The problem is neither can TNA. It's all in the booking. Outside the women's division, the booking for TNA sucks. BTW -- Tomko was a HUGE pickup for TNA in my opinion.
Posted By: Ron Martin (Registered) on January 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I should also add that Daniels did not ask for his release:
It's a work.
Posted By: StereotypeA (Guest) on January 14, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Whine whine whine. Nevermind that Angle vs. Joe drew more buys than any angle in TNA history - you just wouldn't be a widdle smarkie-warkie-poo if you didn't bitch about it. But really, this column didn't tell me anything I couldn't already read in the Impact recaps week in and week out. I guess my question is why this generic kvetching warranted its own column when it really put forth no interesting viewpoints or analysis. But then, maybe I'm alone in thinking that a column should be more than the same empty whining I can get from any Tom, Dick, and Keith in the IWC. Beyond that: I really do think you contradict yourself when you talk about WCW using the WWF's big stars to their advantage a mere paragraph after claiming Rhino was a better acquisition for TNA than Kurt Angle.
Posted By: Bigbol (Guest) on January 15, 2008 at 05:37 AM
Angle Vs Joe drew more buys than any show in TNA history...then drew half as much for their rematch the next month, and dropped right back down to regular TNA levels for the threepeat after that. Angle's done jack in terms of growing TNA's audience.
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on January 15, 2008 at 09:06 AM
Booker T's signing was completely pointless.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on January 20, 2008 at 07:28 PM
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