The Top Ten 2.12.08: RAW Episodes
Posted by Julian Williams on 02.12.2008
Guess who's biz-ack! I come back from my sabbatical bearing the gift of the greatest RAW episodes of all-time. BAM! Who loves ya? Jesus does. For the Bible tells me so.
Did ya miss me? Don't lie you bastards, you know you did. Sorry that I've been MIA the last couple of weeks, but I moved to a new apartment with the girlfriend so the past few weeks have been filled with packing, moving and unpacking. It's finally over and I have all my shit set up now so we will resume our regularly scheduled program from now on. BWAHAHA, there's no escape bitches! You're not getting rid of me that easily. This week, we're going to look at The Top Ten RAW Episodes of all-time. This was a difficulty list to come up with because there have been many memorable RAW episodes, but I believe that this is the best of the bunch. Let's get into this bitch, shall we?
Random Thoughts Of A Disturbed Wrestling Fan
-The fact that the New England Patriots lost the SuperBowl to end their perfect season was sweet enough, but the fact that my NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS were the ones to beat them makes it freakin' GLORIOUS! Seeing the looks of shock and disappointment on the faces of all the Pats fans was enough to keep a permanent smile on my face for a LOOOOOONGGGG time.
-Is it just me or do the Super Bowl commercials get worse and worse with each passing year. I remember back in the 90's, there would be at least 5 or 6 great commercials that has everyone talking the next day. Now? I can barely remember one commercial from last night. Except the one where Justin Timberlake gets hit in the nads repeatedly with a mailbox. That'll learn him for making us suffer through "Bye, Bye, Bye."
-A lot of people are pooping all over the alleged Burchill/Lea Cruel Intentions-ish incest angle, but I don't think (or at least am hoping) that the ‘E is going to have a full blown incest angle (because that would be over-the-top creepy). I actually think they could play it for laughs, much like Arrested Development when George Michael was always pining for the affections of his cousin. Creepy? Yes. But funny as hell.
-Speaking of Arrested Development, the news that they might be getting a movie makes me more happy in my pants than ay bit of movie news should make me.
-I'm one of the biggest Cena supporters here at the ‘Mania so obviously I was quite excited when I heard about his return at The Rumble. I didn't have my cable or internet installed at my new place yet so I actually didn't find out about it until the next day at work and my jaw was on the floor for about 5 minutes. Although I love the fact that Cena is back (mainly just to hear the typical Cena-haters moan and cry like little girls), I must say that it took away from some of the intrigue heading into Wrestlemania. I say that because you already know that Cena is going to be in the main event and once I read that Trips and Cena were the final two in the Rumble match, I knew that was the ‘Mania main event right there. Although, if Cena hadn't returned, we would have probably gotten the far less interesting Orton/HHH match as the main event since the ‘E didn't seem ready to give Jeff Hardy that main event spot yet.
-After watching re-runs of Martin this past weekend, I'm convinced that it's the most underrated sitcom of all-time. Every single episode had me laughing so hard, I was gasping for breath. I even drooled once. That's when you KNOW a show is funny.
-Nothing sucks more than moving, but it's rewarding once you're in your new place, unpack all your shit, and sit butt-naked on your new couch with a Corona in your hand.
-I never realized how hot Shelly Martinez (aka Salinas aka Ariel) was until she got into TNA. That vampire shit she wore in ECW really masked how hot she truly is. She's now sitting high atop my list of current wrestling chicks that could get 6 and ½ inches of fury. Right behind Mickie James (who will ALWAYS be #1), Victoria (I loves me a craaaazy chick), Layla, Kelly Kelly, Traci Brooks, Maria, and Awesome Kong. What? Big girls need love too.
-Don't you hate when women at your job with huge breasts wear the lowest cut tops in the history of the world? Now typically I love seeing huge boobs, but when you're trying to talk about something dealing with work and have two huge boobs staring at you, it's kind of hard to focus on what you're doing and you don't want to stare because then you look like a perv. How would they like it if I was trying to talk about expense reports while sporting a banana hammock? I think I'm going to do that on Monday to teach them a lesson.
The Top Ten RAW Episodes
Honorable Mention: RAW from London: The 55-minute classic (4/23/07)
This was basically a one-match show, but when that match is a classic and takes up more than half of the show, it warrants a spot on this list. This match featured such "fantastic" matches as Shane & Vince McMahon and Umaga vs. Robbie Brookside, Melina vs. Maria, and The Great Khali vs. Carlito so it seemed to be just another underwhelming episode of RAW. Then, at about 9:55 Shawn Michaels came out for a match that was suppose to be the main event. Nobody thought anything of it because it is normal for the "main event" to happen around the 10 o'clock hour and end in some sort of screwy fashion to set up the true main event for later in the night. But then a weird thing happened. It was 10:15 and the match was still going on. It was 10:30 and the match was still going on. It was 10:45 and the match was still going on! Soon, the realization set in that these guys were going to close out the show, which has NEVER been done in the history of RAW unless it was pre-announced as an IronMan match. But this was no IronMan match, it was a normal one-on-one match, but each man refused to lose. Finally, a few minutes after 11 PM, HBK was able to connect with Sweet Chin Music to win one of the most legendary matches in the history of RAW. This episode was proof positive that one great match can save what was destined to be a horrible show.
10) RAW from Worchester: Mankind wins the WWE Title (1/4/99)
This wasn't an overall great show from top to bottom, but it featured my personal favorite RAW moment so I had to include this episode on the list. The main storyline on this episode of RAW was Mankind's pursuit of the WWE title. He had been screwed in a match against Triple H earlier in the night and as a result, held Shane McMahon hostage and demanded a title shot against The Rock. He was granted to the match and it was made NO DQ with The Corporation flanking ringside to ensure Mankind didn't win. But Mankind didn't come alone as DX came down with him to ensure the match was contested fairly. The Rock and Mankind had a great back-and-forth brawl that saw them beat each other all over ringside and included a Rock Bottom on the announce table. Mankind was able to lock in The Mandible Claw to Rocky and when it seemed like it was over, Ken Shamrock came in and blasted Mankind with a steel chair. That brought in DX, who began to brawl with The Corporation, and amidst all the chaos, glass shattered and out came Stone Cold Steve Austin to the LOUDEST POP you'll ever hear in your life. Seriously, it was MASSIVE. Stone Cold proceeded to knock out The Rock with a vicious steel chair shot which allowed Mankind to cover for the three count and the WWE Title. The crowd went insane as The Corporation looked in shock, realizing that their Corporate Champion had just been defeated. Mankind then gave a heartfelt speech after the victory and ran along ringside to celebrate with the fans. This was a fantastic moment to cap off a great episode that kept me enthralled all night to see if Mankind could actually win the big one.
9) RAW from Dallas: The 10-Man Tag (2/7/00)
This episode of RAW featured the hottest crowd EVER in the history of RAW. Seriously, these fans were popping for everything all night. Watching a show like this makes me miss the days before cynicism and pessimism ran rampant and fans actually ENJOYED what they watched instead of critiquing every little thing. This episode featured The Radicalz turning on Cactus Jack after Triple H gave them guaranteed contracts. That set up a 5-on-1 match for later in the night featuring Triple H, X-Pac, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko & Perry Saturn against Cactus. The Rock volunteered to help Cactus so it seemed to be a 5-on-2 match and things looked bleak for The Great One and Jack because since HHH and Stephanie were in control, it seemed unlikely that anyone would help out Rock and Cactus. Once the match was set to begin, though, Too Cool and Rikishi came down to help them out and the 10-man tag match was ON! The result was one of the most exciting multi-man tag team matches that you'll ever see in your life. This match featured non-stop action that is virtually impossible to recap because there was literally no rest period. The ending came when both teams broke out in a brawl which left Grandmaster Sexay alone in the ring with Triple H, who gave him a Pedigree, and then Benoit followed that with the diving headbutt to get the three count. After the match, both teams continued to brawl until Kane made his return after being taken out by DX (specifically X-Pac) and proceeded to kick all of the heels' asses to close the show. A fantastic match + A surprise return + A good angle = A great RAW episode.
8) RAW from New York: ECW invades RAW (2/24/97)
With most of the roster overseas on tour, Vince McMahon could have easily phoned in this episode of RAW but instead he took the opportunity to do something unique. He had wrestlers from ECW "invade" the show and showcase their brand of wrestling to a national audience. This was a HUGE deal at the time because ECW up to that point had received virtually no mainstream exposure and developed their fanbase due to word of mouth. So with their first PPV coming up, they were able to get onto TV to promote it and get some people who may have never heard about ECW into checking out their product. The matches were nothing to write home about and was basically ECW-lite (kind of like the current version of ECW), but just the aura of having ECW in the house made for an electrifying atmosphere. On top of that, The Legion Of Doom made their comeback to the WWE by defeating The Headbangers. So instead of having an episode that could have easily been filled with jobbers sprinkled in with one or two main eventers, the ‘E took the opportunity to showcase an expanding promotion and re-debut one of the most decorated tag teams of all-time. Not bad for a show that could have been a throwaway one.
7) RAW from San Jose: Jericho & Benoit win the tag titles (5/21/01)
This was an entertaining episode of RAW from top to bottom and featured one of the greatest matches in RAW's history in the main event. The evening started off with The Big Show defeating Rhyno in an entertaining hardcore brawl to win the Hardcore Championship. There was also a solid match between Matt Hardy and X-Pac for the European title, a fun tag match between Eddie Guerrero & Jeff Hardy against Edge & Christian, and a good match between Kane and Kurt Angle for the Intercontinental title. But that was all just a warmup to the awesomeness that was the main event. Chris Jericho & Chris Benoit challenged Triple H and Stone Cold Steve Austin for the tag team titles and it was a hot match from the start. The crowd was VERY loud and cheered ferociously anytime Benoit or Jericho got the upper hand on the Two Man Power Trip. The ending was perfect (except for Trips freak injury) as Jericho locked in The Walls Of Jericho on HHH on the announce table while Austin hit Benoit with a Stunner. Jericho barely made the saved and hit the Lionsault which brought in HHH with a sledgehammer, but instead of hitting Jericho, he hit Austin which allowed Jericho to pin him for the three count. To say the crowd went nuts would be an understatement and this remains to this day one of the greatest matches not only in the history of RAW, but ever. The fact that it was grouped with other entertaining matches make this episode easily recommended viewing.
6) RAW from Atlanta: ECW is reborn (7/9/01)
This was a show full of surprises and the first came in the form of Shane McMahon, who was due to battle Diamond Dallas Page one-on-one. The Undertaker, who had beef with DDP due to Page stalking his wife, came down to take over for Shane in the match. Shane stepped aside and seemed to be allowing ‘Taker to decimate DDP, but it was all a ruse as Shane blasted The Undertaker with a kendo stick and DDP gave ‘Taker's wife a Diamond Cutter for good measure. That proved that Shane's alliance was firmly with WCW and this is really where the Invasion started to take off. After that, The Acolytes were able to win the tag team titles from The Dudley Boyz due to interference from Spike Dudley. Kurt Angle later faced off against Booker T and was screwed out the match by Shane McMahon who cracked Angle over the head with the WCW belt. Tempers were boiling over when Chris Jericho and Kane faced off against Lance Storm and Mike Awesome in another battle in the ongoing Invasion war. They had a good back-and-forth match until, out of nowhere, Rob Van Dam and Tommy Dreamer came into the ring and started beating down Jericho and Kane. Storm and Awesome joined them in the beatdown until The Dudleyz, Raven, Tazz, Justin Credible and Rhyno hit the ring seemingly to help out their WWE brethren, but then turned on them and continued the beatdown on Kane and Jericho. At that point, Paul Heyman got up from the announce table and announced the rebirth of ECW and said that they were going to take on both WCW and WWE. At that point, Vince and Shane agreed to get along for one night only in order to combat ECW. They went to the ring for a 10-on-10 fight, but it was soon revealed that ECW and WCW were in collusion and had formed The Alliance to take over the WWE. And to make matters worse, the new head of ECW was Vince's own daughter, Stephanie McMahon. That was a huge shock to end an already shocking night and is one of the most entertaining two hours I've ever spent in front of a TV.
5) RAW from New York: The Kid upsets Razor (5/17/93)
This episode of Raw featured the biggest upset in RAW history as well as a match that was voted match of the year by PWI magazine. The Kid appeared on RAW for weeks and got soundly defeated each time so when he was matched up against Razor Ramon, everyone expected to see The Kid's shoulders pinned to the mat once again. Razor dominated the match and the end seemed near until The Kid pulled off a moonsault from out of nowhere to upset Razor. This was absolutely SHOCKING at the time as it was unheard of for a jobber to beat a main event star. This helped to catapult The Kid's career as he would soon become known as The 1-2-3 Kid and would go on to have a pretty successful career also as Syxx and X-Pac. The other portion of this show which makes it an all-time great one was the match between former tag team partners, Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty. This match came about when HBK was in the ring bragging about how great of an Intercontinental Champion he is and said he could defeat anybody at anytime. At the same time, a mysterious man came from the crowd and he soon revealed himself to be Marty Jannetty who challenged Shawn to an IC Title match right there and then. HBK tried to come up with a million and one excuses, but it was too late and the match was set. The match started with Marty being on fire and hitting Shawn with everything he had. Just when it seemed like Marty was ready to dethrone Michaels, HBK took his belt and tried to retreat but was cut off by Mr. Perfect who made sure Shawn had nowhere to go. Once back in the ring, HBK was able to rebound by slingshotting Marty into the ropes and from there he started to gain control of the match. It seemed like Michaels was slowly dissecting Marty to put him away when all of a sudden Marty fought back and catapulted HBK right into the steel post. From there, Jannetty got several near falls but HBK kept on barely escaping at 2. The ending came when Michaels hit Sweet Chin Music and went to taunt Mr. Perfect, who threw his towel at HBK, which allowed Marty to sneak up and small package Michaels for the win and the IC Title. This is one of the most memorable matches in the history of RAW and coupled with the shocking upset victory of The Kid over Razor makes this episode easily one of the best in the annals of RAW's history.
4) RAW from Binghampton: Austin attacks Hart in Ambulance (4/21/97)
This is one of the rare times when a show that has no great or memorable matches is still fondly remembered due to the excellent angle advancement during it. This show was during the height of the Austin/Hart feud and Bret had just recently reformed the Hart Foundation. Austin came out looking for a fight and challenged Bret to a NO DQ match later in the show. Bret accepted, but it was a trap as Owen Hart and The British Bulldog attacked Austin before the match could get underway and a 3-on-1 beatdown commenced. This brought out Shawn Michaels who chased off Owen and Bulldog with a chair, which left Bret and Austin all alone in the ring and Bret proceeded to beat down Stone Cold. He attempted to "Pillmanize" Austin's leg, but Austin moved out of the way and WAILED on Bret's already bum knee with a steel chair. After punishing the leg with the chair, Austin locked in The Sharpshooter for about three minutes until officials were able to pull him off. This was one of the most intense, entertaining beatdowns I'd ever seen and would have been enough to recommend this show. But it got even better from there as Austin ambushed Bret while he was being loaded in an Ambulance (something that would be copied NUMEROUS times in the years to come) to inflict even further damage on Bret's leg. Austin then had an entertaining exchange with Gorilla Monsoon, who told Austin to get his ass out of the arena to which Austin replied, "Don't talk to me like that" while hightailing it out of the arena and insisting that he was cutting Monsoon a break. That didn't last long, though, as Austin was back soon to berate Shawn Michaels for helping him and went to the ring to gloat about putting Bret out of commission. Austin didn't suck up to the fans and told them he did it all by himself and he doesn't care if they boo him because he doesn't give a damn about any of them. This was immensely different at the time because Austin was fighting the top heel in the company, but he wasn't doing it for the fans, he was doing it because he personally didn't like Bret. That's what made Austin such a great character because he never sucked up to the fans, he just did what he wanted to do and if they cheered him, that was fine but if they booed him, that was fine too. As Austin continued to berate Bret, Owen and The Bulldog came down and proceeded to beat down Austin once again until HBK made the save. As Austin tried to get to his feet, Brian Pillman made his shocking return and beatdown Austin as a measure of payback for Austin putting him out of action. It was a great ending to a great episode and is some of the finest piece of storyline writing ever seen in the WWE.
3) RAW is Owen from St. Louis (5/24/99)
This was the RAW the night after the tragic death of Owen Hart and all the WWE superstars gathered to pay respect to one of the greatest ring technicians to ever live. The matches included such rare matches like The Hardyz vs. Kaientai, Triple H vs. Al Snow, and The Rock vs. Val Venis, but the real purpose of the night was to pay tribute to Owen. Their were numerous testimonials and tributes throughout the night with guys like Jeff Jarrett, Edge, and Stone Cold who all talked of how great Owen was and how he would be missed sorely. This was a very somber affair, but the ‘E gave a worthy tribute to a great wrestler and an even better man that is still missed to this day.
2) RAW Eddie Guerrero Tribute from Minneapolis (11/14/05)
This is one of the saddest shows I've ever watched in my life, yet it was a fitting tribute to one of the greatest WWE superstars of all-time. The episode included classic Eddie moments like when he won the WWE Title and his "Lie, Cheat & Steal" montages and also featured emotional testimonials from people like John Cena, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Triple H, and Stephanie McMahon. It also had matches like Rey Mysterio vs. Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle vs. Shelton Benjamin, and John Cena vs. Randy Orton (in their first ever meeting in the WWE, but obviously not in a favorable situation). I remember being overwhelmed with emotion while watching it and not being able to believe that Eddie was gone. I still cant.
1) RAW from New York: Austin stuns McMahon (9/22/97)
This episode, at least to me, signaled the tide beginning to turn in favor of the WWE in The Monday Night Wars. Sure, WCW was still winning the war at the time, but this episode helped to draw in a lot of people and featured the first sign of the feud that would propel the WWE into finally overtaking WCW in the ratings. Austin's first stunner on McMahon would have been enough to garner this episode a spot on this list, but the fact that so many other memorable things happened is what makes it number one. This episode also featured the debut of Cactus Jack in the WWE and that was a HUGE deal at the time because many of Mick's older fans clamored to see him go back to his original persona, but it seemed that it would never happen in the WWE. That changed when right before a scheduled match against Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Foley didn't come out as Mankind, or Dude Love, but rather the psychotic Cactus Jack! The fans went nuts and were soon treated to a highly entertaining hardcore affair which ended with Cactus piledriving Hunter through a table on the stage. This episode also featured some of the first seedlings of DX as Triple H and Chyna helped HBK beat down The Undertaker (for a while until ‘Taker took all of them down). Overall, this is the best RAW episode ever for the simple fact that it featured a great match, a surprise return, one of the most famous segments in RAW history, and the first sign of the one of the most revolutionary stables in the history of the business. It doesn't get much better than that.
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The Sign-Off
I'm done guys. But be sure to leave your comments and come here next week when the topic will be The Top Ten Overrated Matches of all-time. Ohh, I'm going to piss A LOT of people off with this one.
Might want to rename this page to ,'Top ten RAW moments' because that's all you really posted here , most of these RAW's were completly forgetful other then one memorable moment. Oh, and you didn't post the Hart Reunion RAW , shame on you.
Posted By: cenasucks (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 06:17 AM
Its a bit hard to put "Memorial episodes" in there because it neccessarily isnt Raw as we know it, its more "RIP (insert name here), thank for what you've brought to the WWE".
Overrated matches huh... Hart/HBK Ironman match has to be #1. Followed closely by Mankind/Taker KOTR 1998.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 07:27 AM
Worcester, not Worchester... considering I live about 20 mins outside of Worcester, I have a vague idea what I am talking about. :0) As far as overrated matches, I will be honest and say that Rock Hogan from Wrestlemania X8 is overrated. While spectacular upon first view, the match itself has not aged well in my humble opinion.
Posted By: Jamie (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 09:39 AM
I can't believe you didn't put in the Raw when Tyson and Austin met face to face in a WWE ring. It was one of Austin's finest moments and it gained a ton of media coverage for WWE. Even Eric Bischoff knew that this could make a major impact on the Monday Night Wars.
Posted By: Guest#4371 (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Posted By: BigMike497 (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM
That Ten Man Tag is the stuff of legends.
Posted By: Jamal (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 12:04 PM
The first RAW I ever taped on my VCR was the 9/22/07 MSG show. I still have it to this day and I'll never forget how wild it was to see Vince McMahon get the Stone Cold Stunner and Cactus Jack make his memorable debut in the WWE. I wholeheartedly agree that this was probably the best episode ever due to the great mark-out moments.
Posted By: Mikey P. (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Tyson and Austin gets my vote.. talk about classic perfectly excecuted moments.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM
martin is my favorite show of all time
Posted By: Guest#4130 (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
How could you leave off the WWE Homecoming from 10/3/2005. That was my favorite RAW of all time.
Posted By: andersonpillman (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM
That great Wester RAW also has the RoadDogg-Al Snow Hardcore Title Match where they fought out into a blizzard. I'm also partial to St. Pats Day '98 when Hunter got the Euro belt back, Vince cut his 1st heel promo and The Rock CREAMED Shammer with a chair. Oh, and last but not least Kane destroys the THE SUNS F'N GORILLA~. Geez Jules actually, where is that show?
Posted By: SMYK (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 01:23 PM
please as anyone from there knows, its binghamton, there is no p in it
Posted By: no-name (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 02:32 PM
please as anyone from there knows, its binghamton, there is no p in it
Posted By: no-name (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 02:33 PM
This is more of a Raw moment list.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 04:17 PM
How about Raw from Atlanta 3.14.05? You have a surprise appearance of Jake Roberts in Jericho's Highlight reel, then the one time reunion of the Rockers, and a **** main event of Triple H v. Chris Benoit.
Oh and the dark match was Triple H and Edge v. Batista and Shawn Michaels, with run-ins from Ric Flair and Jake Roberts
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 04:33 PM
That Raw from 17thMay 1993 is an all-time classic.Its set the tone for what RAW would become.it was like they said "you HAVE to watch this show or you ll miss something big!"
that Kid/Razor is class.The start is funny when the crowd chant Razor then when the Kid wins the crowd go MAD and laugh at Razor.Plus Heenan and Savage are hilarous after it.
Overrated matches Hogan/Rock WMX8
AMW/XXX Turning Point 04
Samoa Joe/Angle (forget the PPV but it was there 1st meeting)
Bret Hart/Taker Rumble 96
Posted By: Conor (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Yeah I don't know about putting the two memorial shows on this list. I don't really consider them a "greatest" or "top" of anything. For the record, I was at Raw Is Owen in STL and I truly believe the crowd was still more interested in Austin and Rock than in remembering Owen. You could tell by the massive pops. I'm always a little disturbed at the IWC's revisionist history after a wrestler dies. I guarantee that 90% of you that complain Owen or Eddie is your favorite didn't give a shit about him when he was alive. Very, very creepy.
Posted By: MP (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 05:55 PM
While I do agree that is more of a "Great RAW Moments." list, I gotta side with Julian here because despite being on the air for 15 years, there has never been a RAW that has been great from top to bottom. What makes a particular episode memorable is usually a match/angle/story.
I have no problems with anything he listed.
As for overrated matches, Savage/Steamboat from WM 3 is definately on my list. I also think the Taker/Michaels HITC match is overrated.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 06:52 PM
I forgot to add Bret/Owen from WM X on my overrated list. Their Summerslam steel cage match is better.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 07:09 PM
I liked the Raw from 7.4.06, but only because the stuff involving DX was hilarious. The first Raw that I remeber watching was the Saturday night Raw from 2.13.99. It was the one where Austin faced the Corporation in a gauntlet match. They beat the crap out of Austin and Vince poured beer on him at the end. Being 5 years old at the time, I was pissed when it happened.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 07:32 PM
If Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon laying around for 15 minutes while a ladder is positioned near them doesn't make the overrated list... I'll... I'll... I'll just have to realize that we don't agree, I guess.
Oswald: No Petty Threats, No Crybaby Rhetoric
Posted By: Oswald (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 07:35 PM
When Kane took off his mask legendary
Posted By: guestt (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 09:21 PM
JLAJRC, how the hell can you say the Savage?Steamboat match was overrated? it had about 5 times the action that the main event had that night, and this was back when great matches were pretty hard to come by, I just dont get your angle there. It went back and forth, had lots of great moments, the crowd was loving it, and you thought it was over at about five different points, but it kept going.
Posted By: J Raw (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 09:43 PM
The Raw from london.....Who the hell was Michaels facing, you never tell who his opponent was!
Posted By: J Raw (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 09:52 PM
I used to record RAW because i worked a swing shift and didnt get to see any of them live well on the night of the ECW Rebirth, i was watching it not really paying attention and figured the Awsome, Storm vs Kane, Jericho match was just there so i went and got something to eat as i sat down i saw RVD run to the ring along with Tommy Dreamer which was such a shock even ringside security didnt know what was going on, but when the WWF wrestlers came out and did that slow turn and Heyman get in his FEEL THIS MOMENT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE lne i marked out big time. I still have that tape to this day and once in a while i watch it to remember would watching RAW was like when ANYTHING could happen.
Posted By: Titan (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
The real question now is what are the Top 10 WORST Episodes of RAW? Mae Young Gives birth to a hand? JR gets a colonoscopy? Katie Vick? Pepper Steak? Al Snow in the main event?
Posted By: Babaganouche (Guest) on February 12, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Overrated Matches
Joe vs Punk II
Angle vs HBK - WM
HHH vs HBK - Summerslam
Taker vs Hart - Summerslam
Owen vs Bret - Summerslam
Austin vs Rock - WM 17
Steamboat vs Savage
Hogan vs Savage - Wrestlemania
Posted By: joik (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 01:11 AM
How did Raw is Nitro not make the list? You're gonna tell me that wasn't perhaps the most compelling episode of Raw in the show's history?
Posted By: ted the wrestling bear (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 01:38 AM
Good list, and I am SOOOOOO SHOCKED that there is finally a top ten list without 7+ honorable mentions.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 02:30 AM
Hogan v Warrior @ WM6 has to be the most overrated match ever, although the crowd reaction is amazing. Other than that, any Randy Orton rest hold fest should make the list. I was never that impressed by the Jeff v Taker ladder match on Raw either. But how anybody can brand Bret v Owen @ WM10 or HHH v HBK @ SS2002 as overrated is beyond me. Bret v Owen was so crisp and HBK's selling of his back injury is a thing of beauty.
Posted By: Baron Skinny (Registered) on February 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM
"please as anyone from there knows, its binghamton, there is no p in it"
Someone beat me to the punch on correcting that one. Unless of course, New York created a town that is a mix between Binghamton the HamPtons and allowed WWF to go there for one night. lol I get equally pissed when someone messes with my geography as I do when they shit on my wrestling history.
Posted By: Rowdy Scot (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 02:12 PM
A lot of the too cool for the room douches making comments on this site make me fucking sick. It's clear you're only listing the top matches in wrestling history as "overrated" to show how visionary and different you are. Pathetic.
I can see ranking Mankind-Taker HITC as overrated (although I loved it) because it was a typical Foley-UT encounter until the two big bumps. But Savage-Steamboat, the rare 80s match that stands up today? Owen vs. Bret at WMX that featured bell-to-bell action? Either HBK-Razor ladder match? You're all fucking kidding yourselves if you believe these classics to be overrated. Either that, or you're filling the IWC member requirement of being overly negative assholes!
It should be illegal to kick these people square in the crotch and punch them in their faces in front of their families.
BTW, Julian, the Warriors didn't beat the Headbangers in their surprise return. They actually fought to a double-countout which was pretty puzzling considering how huge LOD was. In WWF's defense, they just debuted the 'Bangers a few months earlier and probably didn't want to bury them so soon.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 03:16 PM
In my disgust, I typed "illegal" instead of "legal." Make sure when you're defending your rebellious behavior to nitpick a syntax error instead of addressing the issue at hand. It's what Internet wrestling fans do.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 03:54 PM
J Raw- Savage/Steamboat isn't a bad match, but it's nowhere near the 5 star classic everyone makes it out to be. Personally, I don't even think it's the best match there as the Orton/Muracco vs. Can-Am Connection match is REALLY great.
As far as Owen/Bret WM X are concerned, I think the match is mostly remembered because of the ending. Everyone expected Bret to win and he didn't. Like a said, their Summerslam Steel Cage match is the real classic between them.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 06:37 PM
Jason S- I hated Michaels / Ramon at Mania 10 when I watched it live on pay per view. It's always been a boring match to me, outside of the splash off the top rope, and when HBK rides the ladder onto Ramon.
No smarkiness from a then 12 year old; it was just a boring match; not even the best on the card.
Posted By: Oswald (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Overrated matches are just that. Usually decent matches but not the end-all-be-all classics that people make them out to be.
I have never been impressed with the bret v Owen wm X. i have tried to sit down and watch it and be amazed like other people do but everytime I find my attention drifting.
Warrior v Hogan is overrated but was epic at the time.
Snuka v backlund msg cage can join that list. I remember reading about in the apter mags as a kid and finally getting to see on the bloodbath disc and while its was good and watching snuka miss the spash must of been pretty crazy at the time, it simply didn't hold up.
Posted By: Eddie Chicago (Guest) on February 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Overrated matches-
HBK Vs. Hart ironman
Angle vs. HBK
Hart vs. Austin WM13
Bret Vs. Owen WM10
Foley Vs. HHH royal
rumble Street fight.
Benoit Vs. Angle
What a bunch of Crap.
Posted By: Jay (Guest) on February 14, 2008 at 07:59 PM
Really? Only 6 1/2....
Posted By: Dirk Diggler (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 01:57 AM
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