Wrestling’s 4R’s PPV Edition 2.19.08: WWE No Way Out 2008
Posted by Larry Csonka on 02.19.2008
WWE goes 2 for 2 in offering up quality PPV in 2008!
How the 4R's of wRestling Work!
Here is a quick explanation of the 4R's. I will take the 4 main shows (5 if I go RetRo) of the week: TNA Impact, WWE Raw, ECW on Sci-Fi and WWE Smackdown. If we have a PPV, that show will get a special PPV edition of the R's all to its own. I then group my feelings on the shows in various categories: The Right, the wRong and the Ridiculous. The Right is stuff that worked very well: a great promo, a great match and so on. PuRgatoRy is a section between the right and wrong. It shows equal traits from both sides that cannot be ignored and need discussed. It is not a bad place per say, as things can get remedied or go the wrong way the very next week. The wRong is what it sounds like: bad matches, bad or boring promos and so on. The Ridiculous is stuff that had no right on TV: Stupid angles, Diva searches and so on. And there is always a possibility of a 5th R, which is as bad as they come, unless you are TNA. They have a special R all of their own, the 6th R; the Russo-FN-Riffic~! This column is supposed to be analytical, and at the right time very critical of the shows, it was the whole reason it was created. This is not a "mark" column, nor a "smark" column, my goal is to analyze the show from many different fronts, reward the good and call out the bad. There are also occasions where I will bring out a 5th or even a 6th R to the column, so beware of those~! I will not apologize for my opinions, they are as they are, whether very positive or negative.
411 PODCASTS~!
411's back with another huge podcast broadcast! Larry and the Wife have returned for their latest podcast adventure as they preview the WWE No Way Out PPV! Larry and Christi break down the No Way Out PPV, which was a damn fine show that included the two Chamber matches delivering big time, the return of the Big Show and his altercation with Floyd Mayweather, the very questionable decision to let Rey wrestle, Randy Orton being a awesome heel and much more! Check out the latest podcast of Larry and the Wife below!
ECW TITLE MATCH: Chavo Guerrero defeated CM Punk @ 7:25 via pin **¼
SMACKDOWN ELIMINATION CHAMBER: The Undertaker @ 29:34 via pin ***¾
CAREER MATCH: Ric Flair @ 7:18 via submission **¼
WORLD TITLE MATCH: Edge defeated Rey Mysterio @ 5:30 via pin *½TRASH of the Night!
WWE TITLE MATCH: John Cena defeated @ 15:56 via DQ **¾
RAW ELIMINATION CHAMBER: HHH @ 24:00 via pin ****¼MATCH of the Night!
The Right:
ECW TITLE MATCH: This was your standard PPV opener children. First of all they put out people that have a feud going, the fans know and have the ability to excite the crowd. Secondly, the opener shouldn't steal the show. It should get people hot, get them into the show while being a good match. That was accomplished here. These men had a beef heading into the PPV, they had battled, Punk had been succeeding but he ran out of steam tonight. I don't think he was BERRIED at all, I think that they actually took the first step to making Chavo Guerrero look like the champion he is supposed to be. The match was fine, they worked hard but I did have to laugh when the crowd turned on Punk for doing the Shimmy Dance and Three Amigo's. They reacted like, "who in the hell do YOU think YOU are doing the Guerrero deal?" Solid ending as Punk went for a super RANA, Chavo held on, Punk crushed and burned, hurt his knee(s) and Chavo got the win with the frog splash. Sometimes the heels need to win to gain some credibility, and this was one of those times.
THE BIG SHOW RETURNS: The big story coming out of the No Way Out PPV was that the Big Show returned and returned in grand fashion. He was looking slender for a giant, and looked well rested as well. Unfortunately he is back in the wrestling business and I doubt that will last. He announced that he was indeed back and that he missed the place, and was ready to become a champion again. It didn't matter if it was Raw, SD or Hardcore ECW, he has already been a champion of all of the shows and it is only a matter of time before it happens again. Rock on brother, lay your claim! The man enlightened us to the fact that he had lost over 100 lbs, he is faster, meaner, and ready to be back in the WWE. I am not sure if he did lose 100lbs, but he probably lost damn close to it and that is awesome for him. The man looked happy and like he was ready for war. The crowd was INTO him and his return, they loved him. As he was happy in his return, Rey, who had the audacity to be hurt on the floor still drew the attention of the Big Show. An angry Big Show. Show went to the floor and chokes out Rey in front of Mayweather and then tossed Rey into the ring. Mayweather is being held back by his people, but then got in the ring after removing his 19-or so gold chains. Show dropped Rey and then removed his jacket as Mayweather's people held Mayweather back. They talked shit, Show shoved him and they had to hold Mayweather back. Show then decided to go onto a knee, it was then that Mayweather started to kick his ass, 3-4 shots right in the mouth and or nose area. He broke Show's nose, he knew that he nailed him and he and his pose RAN FOR THEIR LIVES! Show lays chase and SHANE MCMAHON is out there to put a stop to this. Some people have jumped in and said this was an angle gone wrong, and that Shane being out there is key to that. But we need to remember that Shane and Show has had a relationship in the past and that if Show is going to do something with Mayweather, Show will need a partner/manager. Shane can do both. Also, as for the punches, clue kids, boxers do not train to pull punches and they knew damn well that this could happen. It is the risk you run. Show and Shane left together as Show says this is his ring and Mayweather shouldn't have come into it and he had HUGE heat on him. They loved him just minutes ago and then thought he was a huge douche bag. I love this angle. Show wouldn't be able to get into a meaningful feud for Mania with a regular member of the roster, but pulling the celebrity deal here could be huge. They did great business with Trump last year, and Mayweather is a HUGE draw on PPV himself. Hell, he and de La Hoya did almost 2.5 million buys for their fight. MONEY. Even if they could attract 5% of those as fans to see Mayweather involved, they have added 125,000 buys to their PPV. This is how you do celebrity angle, not the horseshit TNA did last week with the NASCAR guys. A hot angle and s fun surprise to be sure kids, let's see where it goes from here.
SMACKDOWN ELIMINATION CHAMBER: The Smackdown Chamber match was one that most people, including myself felt would be a weak match. Sure Taker and Batista have been working well together, MVP is coming along very well and Finlay is great but there was still Khali and Big Daddy V to deal with. WWE was concerned as well as they ordered an emergency rehearsal for the bout. All I can say is that the rehearsal paid off because I felt that this match delivered. We started with Taker and Batista, and when that happened I figured that it would end that way as well. The working of Big Daddy V and Khali were perfect. Big Daddy V came in third, ran wild, used his monster offense and in the end Taker and Batista were too much for him and he was gone. Khali came in, did the same, Taker and Batista were too much for him and he was gone. All the while, and one of the only times in the evening they were great, Coach and Cole put over that Taker and Batista had been feuding for nearly a year and that both men had been screwed by Edge and lost the title and were wanting revenge. Rock on. Finlay would hit the ring and be, well, Finlay. He was great and even hit the Celtic Cross on Taker for a good near fall. MVP was the last man in, unfortunately for him he didn't get to run wild right away. Taker saw the clock running down, went to his pod and when the time was up beat the hell out of him, greatness. MVP would use the old hidden chain/bling trick and got to beat down Taker pretty well. But Taker would get pissed, because he was not in the mood to bleed and chased MVP on top of one of the pods. Taker would then toss him off of that, MVP flew through the air in spectacular fashion and Finlay would pin him. Hornswoggle would appear to toss in the SHACKALACI, and even though he destroyed both men with it, he ate a chokeslam onto the steel flooring and was pinned. The end, just like the beginning was Taker and Batista. They each kicked out of finishes, and then they did a bad ass finish as Batista was spear tossing Taker into the cage, Taker countered back into the ring as they flipped over the ropes and into a tombstone position. BAD ASS! In the end there are people that though tit sucked, and people that thought it was way better than I did. I think this was a damn fine chamber match, it was well booked and had an MVP (not Montel) effort from Taker that was awesome to watch.
RAW ELIMINATION CHAMBER: Unlike the Smackdown Chamber, most expected this one to deliver. Five of the six guys were locks for good performances, with JBL as the wildcard. Things started out perfectly I thought with Jericho and HBK starting out the match. Oh yes, this was good shit. They kicked the chamber off with good wrestling, counters, the fun roll up reversal and counter sequence and it was good shit. I loved that at one point Jericho got sick of it and decided to kill HBK with a clothesline. They would do a collide spot and #3 in was Umaga. Fuck yes son. The Samoan ran wild, got a bad ass double Samoan Drop spot and it was greatness. HBK got busted open during all of this and then added to it for a pretty serious job of bleeding, I respect that. JBL was in next followed by HHH. TO me this was the slow part of the match, but then JBL was the first guy out, and I was totally fine with that. You have to wonder if the program with Jericho is over. Jericho has pinned him two shows in a row, really, you'd think that signifies the end. Anyway, as he was leaving he decided to get some chairs and would proceed to hit HBK and Jericho. He would eventually hit Umaga as well before bailing. He may regret that one. Jeff got the number 6 spot, came in, ran wild and looked great. They did the super monster elimination on Umaga, which saw him take the super kick, code breaker, pedigree and top of the pod swanton. While I feel they have done a lot wrong with Umaga at times, this elimination was great and protected the monster. Something they haven't been doing all the time. Quickly after that Jericho ate the super kick and he was out of there. To me this worked well as far as order goes and the overall booking. Jericho looked good in there, and I actually expected him gone sooner so this was a surprise. Jeff looked to eliminate HBK after a twist of fate, but HHH tosses Jeff to the steel flooring and pedigreed HBK and pinned him. This played into the pre-match promo they had backstage agreeing that they both were going to do what they had to do to win and it plays perfectly into the booking I thought. I felt that if HHH was going to win it would be over Hardy, and that is what happened. Hardy again was made to look good taking it to HHH and even kicked out of the pedigree, something HBK didn't do just minutes earlier. It took tossing Hardy on a chair and then a pedigree onto the chair for HHH to win and ended a damn fine match. Hardy returned the job, which is how the business works and overall we had a damn good closing to the show.
Purgatory:
WWE TITLE MATCH: We came to the WWE Title match, Orton vs. Cena. I wasn't a fan of doing the match at the show, but so be it they were going on with it. But the fact is that these two have a history and have developed a rather good chemistry together so I thought that with this being Cena's big singles return and this being the show before Mania that these guys would amp it up and rock the house. I was wrong. While this was far from a bad match, it was really weird. The crowd was into it as always, and that is a good thing. But the match was oddly disjointed and I just never got that involved. Technically they had a fine bout, but when you are having a big title match you don't want "fine." Match-wise this was a big disappointment to me. That being said Orton was on Sunday night. The man has really gotten to a new level on the heel scale that he hasn't been and it is cool to see, for lack of a better term, evolution of his character. They planted the seeds Monday night with him being very concerned as Cena proclaimed that he was 100% and was ready to kick his ass. Orton slinked to the floor towards the end and was holding his knee and begged the ref to count him out, which was slick. Cena would have none of this and went to the floor, and would eat the RKO. Orton was ready to take the CO victory, but Cena was able to make it back into the ring. He was pissed, he Hulked up, he got ready to kick ass and he called on Orton. Orton was begging from his knees, and then did the only think he could. HE PIMP SLAPPED THE REF and drew the DQ. I know people are expecting me to throw a gigantic fit, but actually I am not. Don't get me wrong, I dislike DQ finishes on PPV and I feel that in the last 6-8 months WWE has ran to many of them, hence devaluing the good ones that work and make sense. That being said, this was awesomely done. Orton came off as the best chicken shit heel ever with that move and I loved it. Seriously, he was awesome. Cena's expression after the DQ was also great, anger and then the realization that he shot at WM (for now) was over. I also loved how when Cena went to beat Orton down that the ref left and was like, FUCK YOU AND YOU PIMP HAND RANDY ORTON! It more than made up for what ended up being a disappointing match in my opinion.
CAREER MATCH: The latest "threat" to Ric Flair's career was at No Way Out as he battled Mr. Kennedy. I thought that they did some good build to the match and made Kennedy look like a complete asshole, in the good way. They had a solid 7-minute match that saw Kennedy continue his solid to great heel work and Flair have a decent night in the ring. Kennedy worked the knee and even busted out the Bret Hart figure four on the steel post spot. That was great. In the end Flair would get the figure four and Kennedy would tap out. The Nature Boy cut a promo after the match, vowing to never retire and he wins to fight another day. But here is the thing. The match was not only terribly predictable, but it just felt like "a match." Try as Flair might with his facial reactions and what limited promo time he has gotten, this angle is doing nothing for me. I don't feel like it is important. I don't ear that Flair will lose and I am not getting emotionally involved. Considering how much of a Flair mark I am, that is saying something. It was a match, a match he was never in danger of losing and while the match overall was solid, it didn't draw me in. I thought Kennedy did well, I thought Flair looked ok on this night, but there is no emotion there for me and that hurts the match and the angle overall in my opinion.
The wRong:
WORLD TITLE MATCH: The Edge vs. Rey Mysterio match did go on as scheduled. Rey cut a pre-match promo and admitted to having a torn bicep and since it couldn't get any worse he was still going to fight. A stupid man he is. I understand that they want Rey to be the little hero that can conquer all, but there is a point to gutting it out and then there us being stupid. But that is for another time to discuss. Edge and Rey had a match, and yes they did the best that they could under the circumstances, but the match wasn't good. Rey hit his spots, he "sold" the injury but in the end ate a spear out of mid-air like last PPV and was pinned. I was very against them doing the match. If Rey does have a full tear off of the bone, he is an idiot and WWE is negligent. I hate the old "I can't get more hurt" shit. They could have ran an injury angle and not had any match. I say this because the Raw chamber match had to be cut down in time, and they could have used this five minutes. People will tell me that this would have ruined the after-match angle with Show and Mayweather, but I disagree. They could have had Rey come out, announce no match because he is injured, apologize, Show come out and be like step aside because I am back, Rey stands up to him, Show does the same stuff he did and Mayweather, who was there gets involved. I could work it out a little more, but they could have done the Show/Mayweather angle without having the world title match.
The Ridiculous:
NADDA~!:
Closing Thoughts:
In my opinion the WWE delivered for the second straight month this year. Usually No Way Out is a down show, but I really dug it. Solid opener, the SD chamber was WAY better than I thought it would be, Flair's match was fine, Orton was awesome even if the match wasn't that great, the Show/Mayweather stuff was legendary and the Raw chamber delivered as most expected it would. Overall I will go with a 8.1 out of 10 for the show, nudging it just over the Rumble in my opinion. I had a good time and did not actively hate anything, which is rare!
2008 PPV Rankings:
-ROH UNDENIABLE {8.5}
-WWE NO WAY OUT {8.1}
-WWE ROYAL RUMBLE {8.0}
-TNA AGAINST ALL ODDS {7.5}
-TNA FINAL RESOLUTION {6.75}
2008 TOP PPV Match Rankings:
-(ROH UNDENIABLE) GRUDGE MATCH: Austin Aries vs. Roderick Strong ****¼
-(WWE NO WAY OUT) RAW ELIMINATION CHAMBER ****¼
2008 PPV MVP AWARDS: This is a little added deal I started last year, as I feel that there are some other things that should be mentioned from the PPV's. Not every PPV will have one, it just depends on who I think steps up and deserves some extra recognition.
-TNA FINAL RESOLUTION: Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong (Making us Care about Women's Wrestling on the National Stage)
-ROH UNDENIABLE: Strong vs. Aries (The Grudge is Settled)
-WWE ROYAL RUMBLE: John Cena Shocks the World (No One Saw it Coming)
-TNA AGAINST ALL ODDS: Black Machismo Saves the X-Division (He is a Superman)
-WWE NO WAY OUT: Taker Eliminates the Competition (Elimination Chamber MVP)
I'm a big ROH fan, but there is no way Undeniable was better than No Way Out.
Posted By: Bernie (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 01:06 AM
Well Bernie, in smark world ROH is better than everything and rating it higher than WWE and TNA is cool. Yeah YOU guys are rebels.
Posted By: SAVE_TNA_222 (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 01:26 AM
Yes SAVE_TNA, anyone who thinks differently to you has some kind of agenda.
Posted By: Scott (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 01:53 AM
Actually, Undeniable was BETTER than anything WWE put on this year. Any PPV that has MULTIPLE matches in the ***1/2 - ****1/2 territory places it above No Way Out, which had a stinker of an undercard (Flair/Kennedy; Edge/Mysterio) Even Orton/Cena sucked because of the finish... The PPV was focused entirely on the Chamber matches...and they did deliver, but not enough to say that No Way Out was better than Undeniable.
Posted By: Guest#0717 (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 01:58 AM
WWE excels when they put 6 matches on card. backash 06, RR 06 and now nwo 07..
Posted By: Sivapc (Registered) on February 19, 2008 at 02:05 AM
Hey Sivapc, what year are we in now? 2+2=...?
Posted By: MP (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 02:38 AM
I gotta point out one wRong. Cole's commentary is getting worse and worse. "That steel floor feels like concrete." What the holy hell is that supposed to mean?!? I'm begging the WWE to get rid of him. He's making my head hurt everytime I hear him.
Posted By: Tony S. (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 03:04 AM
The look on Mike Chioda's face after Orton bitch slapped him was priceless
Posted By: Guest#2029 (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 03:16 AM
The only reason so many ROH matches get high star ratings is because they are given a lot of time. Overall I think it gets tiresome to watch so many incredibly long matches, especially when I barely can make myself care about any of the characters. So for me, Undeniable was the worst PPV this year.
Posted By: Westen (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 03:34 AM
i honestly can say, seeing how high you scored that event that youre are VERY biased and will quite literally jump at every fart the wwe will accidently throw in your way.
really, my god, was that ppv awfull or what? how da hell can you give that smackdown chamber more then a star? it was such a slow and lumbering matchup - i actually think it was set up just so taker couldd do that coo finisher on batista in the end, it was such a lame match. all the rest(kennedy-flair, punk-chavo, rey - edge) was way too shore and way too predictable. non of these matches are ppv quality matches, and if you honsetly think so, i think youre dillusioned, or youre really have some serious low standarts. that cena - orton match was slow boring as well, with yet another lame finish. only match that was worth a spit really is that raw elimination match, which while wasnt the "holy shit" match i thought it would be, was solid and interesting.
overall, ive had craps more interesting then this ppv, which quite obviously is gonna turn out to be one big pile of overrated garbage.
Posted By: sutt (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 05:13 AM
I completely agree with the analysis. As I stated before the only way this would meet and EXCEED ROH would be to have the blow off match for Noble and also a backstage segment with Burchill. Then and only then would it have exceeded ROH. Period.
Posted By: dennett316 (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM
You inanely overrated this show. This was basically a three hour Raw, except with elimination chamber. The Big Show Angle brings the status of the PPV up rom 3 hour Raw to 3 Hour 1998 Raw. CM-Punk vs. Chavo was okay but too short, The SD chamber sucked, Flair-Kennedy was boring, mysterio-Edge was too short, Cena-Orton was boring and had a lame finish, and the Raw Chamber was awesome, so WWE's 1 for 6 for good matches at No Way Out.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Everyone's entitled to their opinion... but personally, I think sutt's opinion is a load of crap. You would be the only person here who didn't appreciate this PPV as wrestling, because by the sound of it you only like massive, spot-filled matches with people nearly dying everytime. Only bad thing I'd say would be the fact that Rey could have hurt himself more, which would suck. Sometimes I wish I got ROH in Australia.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Sorry Larry but i cannot agree with the rating for the Big Show angle.
You have the return of one of your most important wrestlers and in only 5 minutes WWE managed to make him loos the heat with the public, and launch him in a job yes a job match against another sport star. Same shit than with Pacman Jones in TNA but oh yes it was TNA, it was Russo so... it was shit.
Come on after the real disaster of the return of Jericho, WWE make the same mistake with Big Show. Rob don't come back
Posted By: Eidolon (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Banz - i think its because i KNOW the wwe can be better then that, they have proven it in the best that they can deliver big time matches with compelling angles. but the lack of competition has watered down the product beyond recognision, and because of fans like you who are willing to get a dose of mediocrity in the face every single time, things will never change. did you really think that kennedy - flair was a match worthy of your hard earned money? was rey - edge?(yea, i know mysterio was injured, but they couldve just canceld or make an angle out of it in the ppv instead of giving us that lame title match). and no, i dont enjoy spotfest, but on the other hand - i can also recognise unmotivated, uninspiring wrestling product when i see it. for god sake, that smackdown chamber featured a replay of taker giving batista a boot in the corner! i mean, youre not even trying anymore, are ya?
i actually think vince prefers "smart" wrestling fans like larry and the lot who are willing to embrace his mediocrity and make the best out of it, than he does cena smarks. its a trend setter.
Posted By: sutt (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Eidolon, i enjoy both wwe & tna but you're out of your mind if you see Pacman as an equal star to Mayweather! The difference also is Mayweather did more in his 1st night than Pacman was ever allowed to do in TNA. Not to mention Mayweather isn't only famous for criminal activities and will bring positive press instead of negative.
Posted By: Divine Comedy (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Since the endings were predictable I can't say this was a great PPV. Good action is fine but at the end of the day if you already know who's going to win you're like "So What?". We all knew months beforehand that HHH and UT were going to headline wrestlemania. Edge was a lock to win and we all knew Flair isn't going to lose until WM. The only surprise is that Chavo is still the ECW champion, but who really cares about that match when they've fought 45 times already?
At least at WM there will be some intrigue as to who will win their matches, I just wish the WWE wouldn't go into autopilot so much with their predictable booking.
Ok, here's the thing about Big Show/Mayweather that makes it different from what TNA usually does: Mayweather is an actual fighter as Pacman was someone who is a football player. The guys in NASCAR aren't actual fighters (unless they brought Tony Stewart in) so it looks bad when they beat actual wrestlers.
I liked what happened, although the apology on RAW was lame. I hope they have a boxing match at WM. You know that WWE will have an actual build to this match as opposed to TNA, who just goes into hotshot mode and the fans have no reason to invest in the angle.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 01:44 PM
Thanks for the review Larry. Looks like I'll be adding the first two PPV's of 2008 to my already awesome WWE DVD and PPV collection.
Posted By: Gman (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 05:08 PM
I still haven't watched the whole show, but I thought the Smackdown chamber match was a lot better than the Raw one. It just seemed to tell a better story. When 4 guys are eliminated in as many minutes, it takes away the importance of the individual eliminations, IMO. Same thing with the thing they do almost every Rumble now where they just let the ring fill up so Khali or somebody can eliminate 20 people in a row.
Let's all take a deep breath before we call anyone an idiot though, folks. Discuss your opinions, give reasons why something was good or bad, but there's no need to be a dick about it. We're talking about wrestling, not having a contest to see who's the biggest asshole on the internet. Lethalwrestling has that market cornered anyway.
Posted By: Hawkeye (Guest) on February 19, 2008 at 08:14 PM
I'm not gunna say that this PPV was *Amazing* or anything like that, but how can so many people think that it wasn't any good?
Chavo V Punk, Flair V Kennedy and Edge V Rey, were all fine matches for what they were, nothing super special, but they were solid none the less.
While personally I think the Smackdown chamber was boring, it did have some great moments in it, and the Raw chamber was phenominal IMO. Maybe even the best chamber to date.
As for Orton vs Cena, all the guys I was watching with, myself included, LOVED the finish! Come on people, it was ultimate! Though like Larry said, I think the reason so many people were unhappy about it is because of the stupidly high amount of DQ finishes we get on PPV these days.
A good start to the year for WWE with 2 good PPV's, hopefully they can keep it up!
Posted By: Blake (Guest) on February 20, 2008 at 02:52 AM
I agree with everything Orlando said, with the exception of looking forward to a WM boxing match between Show and Mayweather.
I've never cared for celebrity interaction with my wrestling, and I don't personally see any way that a fight between the two of them could have a positive outcome. There's many ways it could go, but none of them help either man in the long-run.
Posted By: Bub (Guest) on February 20, 2008 at 06:05 AM
i was bored, and i thought to myself: what the hell, there was some wwe ppv at the weekend, maybe i should look at some of the matches. and... BWAHAHAHAHAHA! punk is a skinny little bitch running around the ring like a girl. wow. and i dont even hate him. actually i liked his feuds with raven. i thought back then that he IS going to be something. just wow. everything he does just looks SO fake, and... GIRLY! HA! i watched the Flair-kennedy match, and i marked out when THE MAN locked in the figure 4. yes, sir. then i watched the smackdown chamber, and it bored me in the first minute. i was actually happy when mabel came in. then it got boring again. i dont know. the whole match was about everybody doing big bumps for the fucking undertaker. when he pinned Finlay i just stopped my player. i thought about watching the other chamber match, but i took a look at the wrestlers in it, and i said: NO FUCKING WAY! and this review is from the guy, who is bashing tna each and every week. jeez.
Posted By: tully (Guest) on February 20, 2008 at 12:58 PM
woah, I love RoH and I totally agree that last year RoH put the best PPVs, but putting Undeniable ahead of No Way Out (and I think even Royal Rumble) is not right in my opinion. Undeniable had a 'more of the same' feel and, compared to both RR and NWO, dragged on sometimes. Seriously, RR and NWO were more exciting and even didn't lag much behind RoH in terms of workrate, so I think that they were better.
Posted By: pete (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 09:03 AM
Larry you ignorant piece of shit.
Who do you think you are? You gave a show a 6.75 and another an 8.1. You really believe that you can quantify your enjoyment of a show into 1000 different levels? You make me sick!
Posted By: Pig (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Bad call csonka both the royal rumble and NWO was superior to the ROH ppv
Posted By: Matt P (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 04:55 PM
"Sorry Larry but i cannot agree with the rating for the Big Show angle.
You have the return of one of your most important wrestlers and in only 5
minutes WWE managed to make him loos the heat with the public, and launch him
in a job yes a job match against another sport star. Same shit than with Pacman
Jones in TNA but oh yes it was TNA, it was Russo so... it was shit.
Come on after the real disaster of the return of Jericho, WWE make the same
mistake with Big Show. Rob don't come back"
Wow man... you've got this wrong on so many levels. Every return of a semi-important star gets an initial reaction. What they did here is re-establish the Big Show against a legit badass. Not a guy who's only there because he was the reason someone got shot and he can't play football... Mayweather is a fighter, Big Show is a fighter and seeing the big man get down on his knees only to get his arrogant face busted was GREAT! Mayweather takes off running because BS took 4 solid gloveless shots to the face... he got his nose broke, his lips busted and instead of falling down or even selling it, he looked FUCKING PISSED and started spitting blood all over the place. Big Show wants some, Mayweather despite the size difference isn't backing down. WWE (storyline-wise) didn't book Mayweather to appear, he wasn't booked to be a guest enforcer at ringside... he was there to enjoy a show and got caught up in some shit trying to help his friend Rey Mysterio. Big Show doesn't like him sticking his nose into WWE business, and Mayweather wants BS to do something about it.
It's so simple I don't understand how you couldn't like it.
And anyone who ever watched the original no weight restrictions UFC back in the day knows that size doesn't matter. A 90lbs dude could kill a 400lbs Sumo with a couple of strikes. But the fact BS took 4 solid shots to the face from on of the best boxers in the world and didn't go down leads the average viewer to wonder if maybe Big Show is the one guy Mayweather can't put down.
Again I ask... how could you not like this?
And on to the Russo stuff... It may or may not have been Russo's fault this whole thing tanked... but I doubt it was his idea to bring him in in the first place. By bringing in a lame NFL player who could potentially be up for manslaughter and isn't allowed to actually make physical contactTNA shot itself in the foot... there was nothing to gain. In that respect Russo actually did a decent job of working with what he had.
Mayweather is a whole other story. He's a proven boxing draw, he's a legit fighter and he's able (and willing) to step in the ring to create a memorable moment. This is and will be huge kids, wait for it.
Posted By: Bahb (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 07:11 PM
God damn it,tully. *shakes head*
Posted By: Austin Sideways (Guest) on February 21, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Good call on having Taker as your PPV MVP, as his performance in the Elimination Chamber was incredible... he was practically involved in every spot that made the match as good as it was, and from beginning to end played a major part in the action. A demonstration of remarkable condition and terrific ring generalship - and let's not even consider his age. In fact, this was WWE vintage wines - as Finlay was the second-best performer in the ring - and he's even older! Good for them. Old School.
Posted By: Conrad (Guest) on February 22, 2008 at 05:38 AM
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