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Shining a Spotlight 2.28.08: The Dark Side of Flair
Posted by Michael Weyer on 02.28.2008



My column this week is likely to make a few folks here in the IWC upset. I expect that. I am, after all, laying a few charges into a man who's practically an elevated saint to online wrestling fans. I expect it and I'm ready for it. These are my own opinions, after all and I know everyone won't agree but I've got a column, might as well use it.

A lot of talk has been about Ric Flair lately as it does seem like he's finally going to be hanging it up soon for real. I know, it's hard to believe but the fact is, the man is hurting and it's clear his best days are long past him. WWE is building up to it with this thing that his next loss is his final match and it seems Wrestlemania will be a showdown with him and some major superstar to send him out big. It's a nice build up and naturally guys all over and talking about how amazing Flair's career has been and it's good to see him go out on a high of sorts. So of course, most guys talk of the amazing job Flair has done over the years and his reputation are arguably the greatest wrestler of all time and all around great guy.

But does he deserve it?

Yes, in his prime, Ric Flair was a sensational worker capable of holding the heat of crowds all over and getting a great match out of most everyone. He helped keep Jim Crockett and WCW going for a while and fans loved him for it. His matches with the likes of Ricky Steamboat and Barry Windham remain classics and even his later stuff gets folks going. In terms of pure wrestling abilities and carrying crowd heat, Flair really may be the best the business has ever seen.

But I think, at this time, it's important to realize that even the most respected guys often have a darker side. And with Flair, you have to recognize that as well. I'm not getting into any of his personal or marital issues, I'm talking about his behavior when he was champion, during those times when he was supposedly carrying NWA/WCW on his back. Because if you look back with a less opinionated eye, you might be able to tell that, in that time period, Flair was a spotlight-hogging politician desperate to keep onto his spot to the detriment of the company.

Again, I know that sounds bad and I know guys will rip into me about it. But I ask you at least hear me out. I think a lot of it is 20/20 hindsight, mostly from guys who loved NWA/WCW, preferring its more real approach to the circus of WWF. To them, Flair is an idol beyond reproach who always, always deserves respect above all others. That attitude has really grown since WCW went under and WWE remains on top as so many guys prefer back to when things were "better" with that old style of wrestling.

But the fact was, as someone who grew up watching wrestling in that time, the times weren't as great as guys might think. Memory is a funny thing as we'll always tend to remember things much better than they were. How many times have we clung to an old TV show or song from when were kids only to catch it recently and go "man, that sucked." I remember a couple of episodes of The Twilight Zone where men go back in time to discover things weren't as idyllic as they remember and realize time had made them fonder in their minds. It happens to all of us, we can't deny it and it hits me that it really applies to wrestling a lot.

A lot of workers are remembered a bit more fondly than they really were because of their end fates. Brusier Brody is a good example. The guy is noted now as a legend for his brutal work, his wild brawls and drawing money. But the fact is, Brody would end up often doing a lot of damage by only hanging around a territory for a few weeks, burying talent as he went, his matches just mindless brawls for the majority and when he did leave, it would often leave the place worse than when he got there. That got him blackballed from a lot of places which is why he was in Puerto Rico when he was stabbed to death in a locker room. Because of that sudden death, a lot of guys are able to look at him with more of a kind light. On the opposite end, you've got Benoit, whose in-ring work will always be overshadowed by his horrible end actions.

So I believe a lot of the good feeling on Flair is by the die-hard lovers of WCW/NWA, the guys who held to it as being "pure" in contrast to WWF. However, they do overlook the problems of back then. A lot of people who pick up Tim Hornbaker's excellent book on the NWA would probably be shocked at the fact that so many of these promoters make Vince look like the epitome of the caring and noble businessman. Say what you will about Vince but he hasn't sunk as low as to commit class A felonies to keep himself going like a lot of those guys did.

The way the NWA worked was that the champion would go to the various territories to face the wrestlers and it really was a big deal then when the World champ came to town. So having a heel champion made some sense as fans would pay big money to see their local hero get a shot at winning the big belt. Of course, the majority of these fans didn't know the deck was stacked as the NWA board had to vote on who would get the title and rarely did they want to give it to one of the smaller territories. That was very true when Flair dropped the belt to Kerry Von Erich in1984, as pretty much the only reason Kerry got the shot was because his brother David had died a few months earlier and Flair and the NWA recognized the box office of Kerry getting the win. However, there was never any plan to let Kerry be a long-term champion because a guy from a promotion like World Class just didn't have the clout with the NWA board to have that big reign (Kerry's personal problems hardly helped).

Make no mistake, from 1984 to 1987, Flair was a master of making contenders. He even managed to get title programs together with Ricky Morton or Road Warrior Hawk, letting himself get pinned in a tag team match to show he could be beat and thus leading to a series of fights where fans truly believed these tag team wrestlers could become World champion. The key to Flair's success was that as good as he talked up the game and as skilled as he was, he always showed just enough weakness to make people believe he really could lose the belt any night and they wanted to be there if he did.

So that worked for quite a while and Flair's two-year reign as champ from 84 to 86 proved that. But it also showed that the NWA was leaning on Flair and his star power a lot to keep them going, which wasn't quite a smart move, for reasons I'll get into in a bit. By the time 1987 began, things were changing as Vince was swallowing up the territories and so by this point, Crockett had basically become the public face and push for the NWA. As such, Flair's challengers were limited to Crockett's own, particularly Dusty Rhodes who soon got into using his infamous finish to make fans think a favorite had beaten Flair only to have it reversed. This constant bait and switch helped undermine the title's standing while Flair himself remained on top.

Indeed, 1987 can be seen as the time when Flair started throwing some of his political weight around. Take the whole Ronnie Garvin debacle. Garvin was a good wrestler but had nowhere near the star power to be NWA champion so having him beat Flair for the title was a surprise. Of course, Garvin was never intended to be a long-term champion but merely a placeholder so Flair could get the belt back at Starrcade to a big pop. Garvin was never allowed to even defend it as the heels refused to lay down for such on obvious lame duck champion and as such Garvin's reign is one of the worst ever. Garvin's career never recovered as Flair continued to dominate.

1988 brought in one of the most obvious bits of Flair using his power, which was the feud with Lex Luger. Dusty wanted Luger to beat Flair at Crockett's big "Great American Bash" PPV and be the company's leader. Now, I know a lot of us run down Luger but if you look at his stuff from 1987-91, he wasn't that bad, albeit often carried. A lot of guys use 20/20 hindsight and Luger's failings as a champion in 1991 to show that Flair made the right move here. He refused to job the title to Luger which led to constant matches ending with DQs, countouts or other non-results like that. That constant stream of seeing Luger come so close but Flair remain champion burned crowds, leading to lower house show attendance and forcing Crockett to sell to Turner.

Yes, Luger was rough in the ring at that time. But, as someone watching back then, he was hugely over with the fans. Sure, he was no technical master but then again, neither was Hogan and he dominated as a major star. Luger had drive, charisma and the backing of the fans and in that time period, he really could have done well as the champion. Maybe it would have worked, maybe not but the fact was, the fans wanted Luger to win the belt. This wasn't the usual formula of any old challenger against Flair, they were ready to see Luger headlining as champion and would have paid to see him defending against Flair and others. If that had happened, it might have let Crockett survive, if only for a while longer and would have been a good thing for the NWA as a whole, let a fresh new face rise at the top. But Flair vetoed it and you can see the lasting results.

I know a lot of folks in the IWC talk about the money being in the faces chasing the champion heels. As I pointed out, some of that is true. But eventually, you have to let the faces win at least once in a while. But Flair just kept onto the belt more and more and with the Four Horsemen at his side, that dominance continued. It made him look weak to constantly need three guys to run in and help him keep the belt, less of a worthy champion and more a coward ducking the inevitable. By mid 88, the Horsemen controlled the three major titles of the NWA, a true monopoly that put them on top. Yes, it was cool to see but it also leads to major issues with the fans and the other wrestlers. Everyone complains over how the NWO dominated and refused to give others room but if you look back, you can see the Horsemen were just as bad. When your heels are getting more heat and even cheers than your faces, that's a problem, especially when it goes on for such a long time. Not to mention that all these hot young stars were being pushed down so much, made to look weaker by coming so close but failing. Everyone talks of how great it was for Flair to give guys the rub and make them stars but when you refuse to let those stars get the wins, it makes the whole process worthless. There was some great talent in 1989 in WCW but the main event was Flair against either Steamboat or Funk and others weren't given the chance to break out as well as they could. That's not good for the bottom line of a company as WCW proved a decade later.

One of the most brilliant observations I've ever seen about wrestling is simple: "Heels give great matches, faces sell tickets." The fact is that it's faces who move the most merchandise and keep fans going a lot and a face as a long-term champion can be just as money-making as a heel champ. Hogan proved that for years and Cena did as well. Also, the fact is, a long-time face has more appeal with fans than a long-time heel due to feelings of sympathy for that face in his prime years. Flair and Dusty may have had good chemistry but letting them battle for literally years wasn't a good move to keep the company alive with younger fans. Yes, the Horsemen were hot but leaning on them so much was a detriment to the company which was proven when Blanchard and Anderson jumped ship. The loss of two of their best workers left the company in a lurch that hastened the Turner sale. Of course, they kept pushing the Two Horsemen with Flair continuing to refuse to do the job to Luger.

Moving onto 1989, we see a slight shift in Flair's spotlight hogging. He brought in Ricky Steamboat, put him over by being pinned and set up a big match. Of course, having a guy who'd been with the WWF for several years come in, do one match and instantly be the number one contender was a bit off putting to the long-time vets of the NWA. But the build up was still good leading to their terrific match at Chi-Town Rumble where Steamboat won the belt. It was a great moment but would lead to problems almost immediately.

Anyone who knows me knows I'm one of the biggest Ricky Steamboat marks alive. Any time I watch a match with him leaves me happy to be a wrestling fan. So understand where I'm coming from when I say that, as amazing as he was in the ring, Steamboat was never the guy you would turn to really carry a company. He had charisma, yes, but not quite the major main event level to draw in crowds and get fans going. He was always a bit quiet on the mic and the reason he was a face for his entire career was that he never came off as that really brutal or edgy. Yes, the battles with him and Flair were classics to be sure but not the kind of thing to get some fans into the building. I know this will sound outrageous but some fans really could care less about seeing an hour long technical matchup, they want some great action with great characters in not that long a time. The other problem was that it was inevitable that Flair would get the belt back soon. Hell, even the Apter mags did an article saying that Steamboat should expect only a three-month or so reign. And when Flair did get it back, was what Steamboat's reward for such a terrific series of battles that won Flair new respect? He was shoved aside immediately in favor of Terry Funk. Flair's own autobiography quotes Steamboat saying he expected a new series of rematches and didn't know Funk was going to attack Flair and set up an entire new program. It seems a bit much to just end it cold turkey in favor of something else. Unless you see the larger picture.

So after getting his "neck broken" by Funk, Flair sits out for three months. By the rules, he should have been stripped of the belt for not being able to defend it in 30 days but was kept as champion, a break of the rules never explained. When he did come back, he and Funk went at it in wild and amazing brawls which were good but had the same problem as the Steamboat matches. Even more than Steamboat, Funk was never a main event guy. Yes, he'd been NWA champion in the 1970's but that was before the rise of national TV. He wasn't going to win the title, he was just there to make Flair look good. That's the key thing to think about watching those feuds, who came out better? Steamboat? All he did in his reign was defend against Flair and finally lose. Funk? Beaten down in bloody brawls and forced to say "I Quit" and attacked afterward. Flair was the champion, now a face with the fans and more over than ever. There was a lot of talent in WCW in 1989 but so few got a chance to break out becasue the focus was Flair with two men who had been with other compaines for years prior to being brought in and immediately put into main event programs. I hear so much of Flair willing to put the young guys over but this flies directly in the face of that mentality.

I do believe that Flair was going to get the belt over to Sting in Febuary of 1990 before Sting's knee injury knocked him out. So you can't blame Flair that much for refusing to job it to Luger or that Herd would give Ole Anderson the book and push Flair down. So when Flair finally did job it to Sting, he was placed aside. Problem being, the NWA had been built around Flair so long that they couldn't find anyone else of such stardom to handle Sting so had to make up the Black Scorpion. And when that failed and attendance falling, they go to Flair and ask him to be the Scorpion which he does...on the provision he gets the belt back. Rather than try to build up Sting as a good champ with the feud denied them before, Flair instead becomes champion again, killing a lot of Sting's momentum.

That brings us to the fallout with Herd and Flair leaving the company in 1991. Almost everyone has painted Flair as being right, that Herd was wrong to let go of the man who'd kept the company going and Flair was right to take the belt with him. But looking back at it with a more objective eye, maybe you can see it as more of the act of a prima donna. Flair had no real problem with Herd when he was given the book and allowed to do those programs that made him look great. It was when they tried to push Flair aside and try to build some other stars to take up the show that Flair got annoyed. Contrary to popular myth, Flair really didn't own the belt, no matter the bonus stuff and such. It was the company's, the company Flair has always talked of respecting so much. He may have been angry at Herd but telling the boss of your company to screw himself and then take the top trophy with you to another company is a slap in the face for fans. Harley Race was known for his ego and such but he respected the belt above all, always ready to do the job if need be, which he did for Flair. That belt was the company's and should have stayed and for Flair to take it with him just to show up his bosses was a major act of selfish ego. That's made even more striking as Flair refused to job the belt to Luger at the Bash and instead wanted to give it to Windham, one of his best buddies. Without that win over Flair, Luger was never going to get a fair shake as champion and the results speak for themselves.

Of course, Flair got some comeuppance while in WWF because he was in a company owned by a man who wasn't going to let anyone walk over him. People so often forget that Vince did a lot with respect to Flair. He let him come out in his classic robes, his usual style and put immediately in a program with Hogan for the belt. Vince could easily have repackaged Flair as some character but let him keep his classic styles because that's what fans knew him by so well. Still, Flair gets over huge, winning the Rumble and the belt and having great matches with Savage. He dropped the belt at Wrestlemania but ensured he was always around to cause trouble for Savage before winning it back in September. So things were good for Flair…until the fall when Vince decided to go in another direction for the company and Flair had to drop the title to Bret Hart. Suddenly, with Hart and Shawn Michaels getting pushes, Flair decides WWF isn't for him and goes back to WCW.

He was welcomed as a conquering hero with lots of talk on his past exploits and a good program with the Hollywood Blondes. When WCW needed someone to face Vader at Starrcade, they went to Flair, making a huge deal out of his past with the stip he'd retire if he lost. Of course, he won and was given the book too, getting another program with Steamboat that did nothing for business. Everything changed when Hogan came in and was given power and Flair found himself forced to cede to Hogan for the belt but kept right around fighting, leading to his "retirement" match at Halloween Havoc.

He would come back, of course, still fighting with Hogan and Savage and winning the belt again. I don't think I need to cover his exploits the last few years in WCW which are well documented except to note the irony of him being pushed back in lieu of the NWO dominating everything. He'd get more shots with the belt but was made to often look like a fool, something everyone throws their hands up over given all the good he did for the company…good that really may not exist if you look at it another way.

So despite the fact his best days are long past, Flair still found himself hired by WWF a few months after WCW went under, with runs as "co-manager" and some good matches like Undertaker at Wrestlemania. He even got a full circle bit with Evolution dominating so long and an IC title run but now has settled into this "living legend" status and ready to finally bid goodbye. And when he does, I'm sure we'll see a huge ovation and everyone talking about him as a great guy who always did everything to help others out. But to look at it like that is to ignore all the evidence I just listed above.

I despise hypocrisy, I made that clear in my very first column. It's prevalent in a lot of the IWC and Flair is a great example. How can so many people run down HHH, Michaels in the Clique days and Hogan for flexing political power and refusing to cede the spotlight when Flair is just as guilty as them? In some cases, you can argue he was even worse because he built himself up as utterly indispensable to NWA/WCW. No one man should be bigger than his company, no matter how great a worker he may be because when he leaves (and he will eventually, one way or the other), it's way too big a hole to fill. That was true for smaller territories like World Class and it was true with WCW. Ric Flair, at the height of his career, constantly teased jobbing to others but always kept the belt around himself, always put himself in the spotlight and when he did drop it, would get it back in little to no time flat. He went against his bosses to get things his way and even ignored the good of the company as when he refused to give it to Luger despite the fact that fans would have paid to see the man as champion. And yet despite all that, fans still fall over themselves worshipping him.

"Ric Flair does whatever he wants but people let him get away with it because he's Ric Flair." Eric Bischoff said that to a WCW locker room and while it was out of his own ego, the fact is…he was right. People do bow to Flair, both fans and those in the business, they fall over themselves talking about him as a model for all wrestlers, the man who helped make the business what it was and kept his company going through good times and bad. They don't mention his constant repeatings of moves and how so many of his matches look alike or how he just kept in the center of attention no matter what. No one wants to slam a living legend so they just talk of his great stuff and when someone does backtalk him like Bret Hart, they get ripped for it (ironic considering Bret had his own ego issues).

I like Ric Flair. I respect him immensely for his ring work and acknowledge that without him, wrestling today would be vastly different. He still turns in good battles and does deserve recognition for his past exploits. Whatever else, he is one of the best men to ever take up the mic and for that alone deserves respect. So I'm not trying to slam him really.

But you can't always look at only the good in a man, you have to acknowledge his failings. And like it or not, Ric Flair could be an incredibly selfish man who needed to be in the spotlight constantly and couldn't take the idea of ceding it to anyone else. Yes, he'd make guys look great in matches but very rarely would he put them over with wins and when he did, he'd make sure to get them back. Yet he still has that reputation as the greatest wrestler alive. Did he deserve it? Yes, his ring work, his charisma and his success show he was over. But again, you can't be someone complaining over a guy like Cena dominating so much when Flair could be so worse keeping things on himself. There's a difference between devotion and blind devotion. Respect "the Man" as he was in the ring. But don't just blindly ignore the damage he did just because you don't want to admit he could be as bad as Hogan. Doing that is to disrespect the business a lot and just feeds the beast of ego even more.

I'm ready for the backlash, let it ride.



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good article, its nice to hear another side to the ric flair story that i, for one, wasnt fully aware of, i still think hes a legend and one of the reasons is because hes put so much in to making himself one and all the greats have shown signs of selfishness and greed

Posted By: jacish23 (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 07:29 PM

 
 
I have to rememeber your name man because this is a great column. Non of the cynical fake "cool" commentary that a lot of these new kats these days stole from the Scott Kieth's and etc's from back in the day. Just straight forward look at how you see it from somebody who didn't start watching wrestling when the NWO was hot. Good read...

Posted By: Industry (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 07:43 PM

 
 
flair wrestled long time but he never good as hogan. hogan can kill flair any day of week. i seen hogan beat him before. he always cheat an even break dusty leg when dusty try to helped him. he is snake in grass still. he turn dirty against dusty an sting an even turn on ole anderson before. he cant be trust now. flair like to show girls his twinkie too.

Posted By: T Horner (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 07:56 PM

 
 
No argument from me. You basically just laid out everything I've thought about Flair ever since the announcement of his HOF induction. You made a lot of good points made in this article and out all the facts. Good job!

Posted By: A-Ron (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 09:01 PM

 
 
This article was written by Hulk Hogan, wasn't it?

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 09:31 PM

 
 
Your a jackass! Flair is the man. He made so many stars within NWA/WCW/WCCW/WWF. He bled, sweat, & paid the price for the future of this industry. He went 60 minutes 2 times a day, 7 days a week. Did he abuse his power..maybe but you think you would have made better decisions. I don't think so Mike. Give the man his respect. It's the least you can do being a so called fan.

Posted By: Old School (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 10:41 PM

 
 
I don't think as many people will disagree with you as you think... you're pretty much on the money.

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 10:55 PM

 
 
Bruiser Brody was for real, you need to get your facts straight on Brody. He was one of the best draws ever.

Posted By: brian (Guest)  on February 27, 2008 at 11:29 PM

 
 
While being a Flair fan, a lot of this article was true for the most part, but there are some points I do have disagreements with

1) The tone of the Article makes it sound like Flair refusing to put Lex over in '88 sank Crockett, not mentioning the flops in their first ppvs, Jim jr.'s spending, The territorial buyouts, amongst others. Quite honestly they could have played the Superdome every night and they'd have gone broke. Not to mention the sale itself wouldn't have happened at all if it wasn't for Flair being Turner's favorite wrestler.

2) Flair's absence in 1989 was explained. Jim Herd cited the reason as being that an appointed NWA judge (Funk) had caused the injury so they were allowing him the extra time off untill a certain date when he decided to either retire or come back.


Anywho, it was an interesting article, and a well done opinion peice with facts to back them up.


Posted By: Soul (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:28 AM

 
 
"But Flair vetoed it and you can see the lasting results."
If you think that Flair not jobbing the belt to Luger caused Crockett to sell to Turner, you're dellusional. And BTW, Bret Hart only wanted to drop the title to his buddies, too, so does he deserve to be in the HOF? What about Hogan? You're just another internet smark who wants to grab some attention by being contrary.


Posted By: Crow (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:41 AM

 
 
I liked the article. The 4 Horsemen DVD painted Flair as this god, when in actuality,he just wanted to hog the spotlight. Granted, Flair's ego has gotten him some great moments in the wrestling biz, but it's destroyed his personal life. I am glad that he is retiring and hope he doesn't pull a Mick Foley. Too many retirement matches don't end in retirement, and I hope realizes that he is done. Flair is touted so much for being a sixteen time world champion. In my OPINION, the only reason he dropped the belt in the 80's is to raise his numbers. He's like the guy who has sex with a lot of hideous chicks just to say he's had a lot of sex. Quality is better than quantity. Don't get me wrong, Flair is a great wrestler, but his politics didn't revive the NWA. People say Hogan used politics for so many years in the WWF and they thrived tremendously. Vince was so brilliant that he knew that his character development and angles would trump hogan. Flair WAS the NWA for so many years. The WWF realized the NWA's mistake of not giving the the title to Luger and let the Warrior get a run with the belt. In hindsight, the NWA should've given him a run with it. To close out this long ass comment, I just want to commend you on your article and hope that you do more Dark Side articles.

Posted By: the sauce....MANSAUCE!!!! (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:45 AM

 
 
Good article Mike... very interesting read. As a longtime wrestling fan (I remember watching being first in line at the video store the day WM came out on coliseum)... I agree that Flair gets glorified despite being the same kind of politician HHH/HBK/Hogan or any other top star was. Really, it's just a function of the explosion of internet news, publishing every little mundane detail they can get their hands on backstage. Had the dirt sheets had a platform like this in the 80's and early 90's... the perception of the Nature Boy would be a lot different.


The only thing I'd take issue with is the belt story. True, the belt didn't belong to Flair, but he did have a 25000 dollar deposit down, as all of the champions had to do in those days. So when Herd asked Flair for the belt, and Flair asked for his money back.. Herd told him to shove it, and keep the belt. So that's what Flair did. He kept the belt, and Vince told him to bring it on TV with him.

Which to me is the seed that grew into the tree of the Montreal screwjob.


But I'm sure that's a whole other column, eh Mike.


Posted By: Rollz (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM

 
 
Just real quick: Flair is Awesome and you suck.

I'm a die hard WWE mark and Flair was the only reason I watched NWA/WCW back in the day.

Stop trying to attention whore by being different.


Posted By: Last Call (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM

 
 
I am a huge Ric Flair fan, but that doesn't make me oblivious to some of his wrong doings. I really enjoyed reading this article, actually all of your articles, because they always offer a very unique viewpoint. Flair use of political leveraging does go unnoticed today and I still believe him taking his title to the Fed was very selfish.

Posted By: Guest#0251 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:23 AM

 
 
No, No, No, Flair's the BEST! Nobody wanted to take the belt off him because they knew nobody else could draw! No! He helped everyone become better! No! WHOOO~! No! No! NO! NO! NO!! EEEE-YAWWW!! EEEE-YAWWW!!

Posted By: a mule (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:33 AM

 
 
The 30 day clause was waived because flair had been injured by Funk because of the nature of the attack. It was explained quite a few times.

Posted By: 1989 Flair ijury (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:38 AM

 
 
Some of you guys are straight up idiots. The guy didn't discredit Flair and belittle his existance in the least bit. He just made the comparisons to HHH, and the HBKs that you idiots always talk trash on as though Flair was some sort of God beyond reproach. He Fucked some people over like ALL MainEventers did at one time or another back then. I don't think he was being "different", he was just saying what ALL NONbias long watching wrestling fans has been saying for years. Get a clue, people...

Posted By: Industry (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:51 AM

 
 
I tried to be objective but too many points that me almost chuckle. Especially the Hogan comments Hogan lost favor with the fans as a face from 1992 on and was real proof of what happens when you shove someone down peoples throats and people stopped caring about wrestling in general keep mentioning Cena it cracks me up eventually he will go away as well and no one will remember him as a legend. If WCW would have been fine with Flair in the mid card in 91 why didn't they do it without him at all oh thats right because the rest of the company was so great. Flair was right he was a top guy and had no business in the mid-card and should have been insulted by that. Also he was willing to put the title on Scott Stteiner in 1991 but Steiner turned down so he could tag with his brother speaking of which instead of flair he was replaced by Rick Steiner in the main events for 2 months yeah WCW was real genius to let flair go that year. By the way he also wanted to put the title on Sting which is why he waited and honestly who can blame him Luger would not have done anything for the company as we later found out later in 1991.

Vince wouldn't take anything from Flair so what Flair was one of the few bright spots for the WWE when Hogan went on one of his many retirements in 1992 and oh look the main events were actually worth watching. People loved Flair in the WWF

By the way for all the "look at hogans success" remember Flair was willing to put the title on a guy you may have heard of named steve austin but because of hogan and his buddies it didn't happen and WCW would get destroyed by Austin in the future while having some success until HOGAN got old and who was the person people looked to for the sake of the company was ric flair because hogan berried everyone else in the company and made him the lone star which killed the company, people enjoyed seeing Flair more but because Hogan wiped the mat with Flair many times it made it worthless. Keep mentioning guys like Cena and Hogan but they're just gimmicks people love Flair because he could actually wrestle and was worth the time.

You mention the horsemen as a problem? Are you kidding that was one of the few things the NWA did right and were monster heels and people don't mind seeing those guys unlike the past its prime NWO or DX.


Posted By: Paul (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:59 AM

 
 
Michael--

Well-written article. While I don't agree with many of your points you put your argument together well. I feel you are spot on with your assessment of Bruiser Brody however. Looking at your comments posted already I'm surprised at how many people agree with your position. You always put together a good article and this another well put together read.


Posted By: Mark (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 02:21 AM

 
 
Reminds me of Shane
Dougla's beef with Flair. I wonder how many other young guys have similar stories but are not willing to say them?


Posted By: BobZ (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 03:20 AM

 
 
I'm glad you wrote this article without the snide and snarky commentary that is so prevalent on this site. While I can't say I know much about the NWA era, since I have only been watching the "sports-entertainment" era of wrestling, I am glad you are putting out an article on a different side of Flair, especially during a time when many are quick to sing his praises. The only thing I thought was missing, was his supposedly controversial time as WCW booker. Of course, maybe it is in there and I just missed it. I am pretty tired.

Either way, good job on a well-written article, and here is to hoping your peers on this site strive to match this quality of article.


Posted By: John M (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 03:53 AM

 
 
Only read half of it because it looked like you were saying that any face challenger he faced, he refused to put over.

Posted By: El J (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:13 AM

 
 
Hogan WAS worse than Flair in being selfish....Flair didn't kill WCW ike Hogan's Zeroes (Hogan, Nash, Hall and Bischoff) with the final nail being driven in by Vince Russo!

Posted By: Bobby (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:28 AM

 
 
Does this guy know anything about wrestling? It reads like he won a make a wish foundation contest and choose write a wrestling column.

Posted By: bender (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:34 AM

 
 
guys i was really hurt and almost kill myself when hogan turn dirty and join NW0. it took me lot years 2 get over it but i know it not his fault now. guys like flair push him over edge an fans dont aprecate him that tme. i dont understand why when hogan drop leg on his old friend an join nash an hall. now i underatand he was just mad cause fan dont love him an cheer bad guy like flair. so flair and his friens make hogan become bad guy i think. but when hogan figt rock he show he still good guy and fan still love him.

Posted By: T Horner (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:03 AM

 
 
You know, this article is interesting.

But its a matter of fact that during the 80s there were plenty of wrestlers who could carry the NWA belt. Garvin was horrible. I mean, Flair went out as an heel at starrcade 87 and when he won the people cheered.

Road Warrior Hawk never was a great singles wrestler. Dusty was far behind his prime. Ricky Steamboat did carry the belt and he was a great champion.

The truth is that Flair in his prime was the best thing around. Past his prime he laid down for anyone and he never held anyone back - Hogan did. So as interesting this article is at least in my opinion I disagree.

Ric Flair is the greatest wrestler in the history of this great sport. Quote me on that.


Posted By: Marco (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:47 AM

 
 
An excellent and very well thought out article. I will always love Flair and though I may disagree with a couple of your statements you present them in a well researched and respectful manner. Well done sir.

Posted By: King Sean (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:52 AM

 
 
I don't really agree with this at all. I see where he's coming from, but comparing Flair to HBK and Hogan in their heydays is just inaccurate. While it's true that Flair had a hand in holding down some talented guys, I don't believe that it was because of his ego or to keep himself in the spotlight.

Flair deserves all of the credit that he gets. He may have made some mistakes, but who hasn't? Well, besides Steamboat...


Posted By: Scott (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 07:08 AM

 
 
Damn good column. I completely agree with your assessment that (if I understand it) says that Flair was good... and bad for NWA/WCW. Makes sense and I'm really glad to see you point out the double standards that some IWCers have when it comes to HHH and Flair.

Now...when will you finally do that long awaited column about The Yeti?


Posted By: Frosty (Registered)  on February 28, 2008 at 07:23 AM

 
 
i first saw Flair in the wwf, and you know what? i HATED him. little guy, stupid white hair, big mouth, always cheating, weak, coward, whatever... but he always came out on top somehow. i HATED him. this is why he is great. i HATED him, beacuse he was a heel. the old school, unbeatable undertaker looked like a jobber compared to Flair. he was that good. he lost the title to Savage and i marked out like a little girl. his second title he lost to Bret Hart, tapping out to the sharpshooter in the middle of the ring. wow. those were great moments. then he left, and i was surprised to see him in wcw as a face. it kinda didnt work out for me. but then i saw his match with Vader for the big gold belt, and i thought: okay, he IS one of the best ever.

that was a pretty good read, Mr. Weyer. its unique and smart. i liked it a lot.

but make no mistake about it... Ric Flair will always be The Man.


Posted By: tully (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 08:36 AM

 
 
I think it all boils down to people hating Hogan more than they hate Flair. A lot forgive Flair's egotistical decision-making because he later suffered a similar fate when Hogan came to WCW, and because Hogan wasn't as technically adept as Flair (though he was better in his heyday than a lot of people give him credit for), and was 'the WWF guy', Hogan's behaviour overrides Flair's. It's not fair, really. I've been meaning to write an article about how backstage politicians can actually be a good thing for a company, and this might spur me on a bit since I haven't written anything this week yet. But it'll be hard to argue the point, I feel. Regardless, Flair's work-rate was second to none at times and I still feel he should be remembered as one of the greats even if his backstage clout left a lot to be desired.

Posted By: T.G. Corke (Registered)  on February 28, 2008 at 08:44 AM

 
 
i realized a long time ago, no matter the organization(wrestling or otherwise), you dont get to the top without politicking. look at EVERY big time main eventer.

dusty rhodes, hogan, HHH(destroys tag teams by himself), hbk (loses his smile), austin(refused to job to brock lesnar), taker(rarely gets beat AT ALL), goldberg, nash, jarrett(it's his company), and the guys who dont politic but are over as hell end up like jericho(50x ic shamp), steamboat(world champ for a ot minute), and rey.


Posted By: rey (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 09:27 AM

 
 
great story! funny though in about 15 or 20 years the same thing will be written about hhh also (the center of attention greed thing)

Posted By: kasehard (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 09:43 AM

 
 
Do YOU know anything about wrestling? Geez, what happened over the years to knowledgable fans who actually WATCHED back then and didn't just read the "dirt sheets" or watch a couple of youtube matches to make it appear that you know something. He didn't state that Flair was worse than Hogan and he actually chose his words VERY carefully to get accross his points.

And WHO the fuck said that Flair wanted to put the belt on Austin!? Hell no, Flair was one of the mofos that felt that the Blonds weren't "ready for that huge push". Why do you think Austin was getting pushed as the "greatest TV champ of all time" for what it seemed like YEARS...but then again, most of you new fans probably don't even remember the TV title and the importantance of it because most of all the books and youtube vids are of the NWA/WCW world title lol..... Flair was great and he wanted to put over more people than not, but all this guy is saying is that he DID fuck some kats over. BTW, I actually WATCHED Luger when he was OVER LIKE A DOG and that kat could've made serious money.. THEN.. how hell do you expect for Luger to do anything by beating Barry Windham (who wasn't anywhere NEAR the mainevent then) for the title with the horrible booking they submitted him to.


Posted By: Industry (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 10:06 AM

 
 
Pro wrestling is and always has been a cut throat business.
Every wrestler who hits the top and draws the biggest money wants to stay there and most will do whatever it takes to accomplish just that.
This is show business, kiddes.


Posted By: HoosierJim500 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 10:19 AM

 
 
Great column. Really well written, kudos for that.

I do want to reiterate the same issues a couple people have already said. First, I think your assessment of the "demise of Crockett" is a little off. Was it Flair's refusal to put over Luger, or Blanchard and Anderson leaving? You say it was both without ever connecting the two to the fact that there may have been a larger institutional problem, like mentioned above. Second, you say that the story about Flair owning the belt is not true, and then base your opinion on that, but where is your evidence? Show me evidence that the story about Flair's deposit and ownership is not true and I may change my opinion, but it seems that your belief is that Flair shouldn't have taken the belt, so you stretch facts to support that. "Cite your sources!", as my old English teacher would scream.

That aside, you're a great writer, and you shouldn't be afraid to tackle things that will be unpopular. Keep up the good work.


Posted By: Deano (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM

 
 
Dude, did Lex Luger co-sign a loan on your house or something, because you sure give him an AWFUL lot of credit for being a marginal talent. Crockett's financial difficulties and Luger not getting the strap have zero relevance to one another.

Posted By: Nick (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM

 
 
Luger was hugely over and wasn't much better than Hogan, but he was huge in the fans' eyes and should've been given his 1st title then, not after Flair left WCW and, more specifically, the 1991 Great American Bash, in the lurch, turning said show into the biggest major-promotion PPV fiasco to date. I mean, they had to pull Barry Windham out of an intergender match to take Flair's place vs. Luger!

Posted By: Marcus (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM

 
 
I love these retarded comments trying to defend Flair. Mindless sheep.

Posted By: Captain_Snackpipe (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM

 
 
Maybe the IWC aren't as old and don't remeber
Flair. People had long title reigns back in those ancient times and I just accepted it.


Posted By: Mr1700 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM

 
 
Question:

Were there any truths to the rumors that Flair would have left for the WWF in 1988 had they forced him to lose the title Lex Luger at The Bash?

I can only imagine how things would be different if Ric Flair left for the WWF in 1988.


Posted By: JoeTrue (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM

 
 
Garvin's Career never "recovered" has to be the best thing said in the whole article.

That guy didn't HAVE a career to begin with...

Although The Garvin Stomp was an absolutely AMAZING thing to behold live.

That's why it was so surprising he took the strap off Flair in the first place.


Posted By: amazing read (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM

 
 
I think late 80's Flair is similar to 2002-2005 HHH: be the champion for what felt like forever, bury the challengers, and be the #1 backstage politicker. Keep in mind, late 80's Flair was having AWESOME matches, while HHH only had good matches with Shawn Michaels or Chris Benoit(I can mention his name I hope?). I didn't get into wrestling until Flair/Funk and Wrestlemania 5, so I missed the Steamboat matches as a kid. I think WWE is making him as a God, because they're trying to reverse the HORRIBLE BOOKING that WCW did during the Monday Night Wars. I specifically remember Flair from 1980's until 1995, and then I just skip to 2001.

Posted By: Zach Y. (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM

 
 
There is no way Lex Luger had what it took to be the World Champ. He was just a big body. He was way too green to be champ and had the charisma of burnt toast.

Posted By: JMX9199 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM

 
 
After Luger turned face, he was absolutely huge over! When he won the tag belts with Windham people thought there was finally someone to kick the Horseman's asses. When Windham turned on Luger it not only got Windham over as a heel but got Luger over more as a face. Constantly seeing their chosen hero come close but not beat Flair took the shine off Luger. If Flair had put him over at the Bash, even if he took the belt back at Starrcade, would have made Luger a huge draw for years to come. People would KNOW he could win the belt, then. Flair keeping him down defined him as the guy who could never beat Flair.

Posted By: JeremyL (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM

 
 
Well, someone has finally stepped up and revealed some truth about the legend of Ric Flair. In my opinion he did what another current wrestler is doing now.That explains why he looks up to Flair so much. This is why they have played themselves out. They wanted to rule and dominate forever, and other wrestlers better pay attention to this if they want to avoid this trap. People want to dis the Rock b/c he supposedly turned his back on wrestling. He was just smart enough to see that he could not rule forever and dominate, so he backed out and found other avenues to explore. That's why he still has the star power he has today. Flair on the other hand had to dominate and have eternal rule as champ because he didn't have anything else to fall back on. Wrestling was all he had, and even though he was granted legendary status, it cost him as well. He still gets serious props for his contributions, but he had to pay a price for it.

Posted By: supershock360 (Registered)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM

 
 
This is one of the best columns I've ever read on this site.

It's amazing that so many on the IWC shit on Bret Hart & how he reigned in & eventually left the WWF, but Ric Flair did pretty much the EXACT same thing to the NWA & WORSE considering that he did indeed bring the title to the competition, an act I am still convinced that Hart never would have done.

Fantastic, honest & unbiased column.


Posted By: Smooth (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM

 
 
flair may have been a politican but he had great matches and drew money. and cena may sell merch, but how are those ppv numbers looking?

Posted By: adam (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:14 PM

 
 
great article..i was born and still live in flair country....you always here of dusty and flair politicking back in the day but history does not really recall that except from those who were hindered by the men.....i really fellt like the horesmen were a great stable but really held down arn and tully.....tully the most because he was like a randy orton or edge...he was the superheel of the group and i thought he would make a great champion or atleast contender....but because of politics,not necesarily against them personally but because they wanted to hog the spotlight (flair and hhh) they are not really given the chance to be a heel champion but more of a transitional champ(orton) or never getting the belt(blachard)

Posted By: davidwcu336 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:18 PM

 
 
If backstage ethics were a contributing factor in getting in the WWE HoF, the damned thing would be empty. So Flair's pulled political games ... so did just about every other HoF'er.

Posted By: Jed (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 01:34 PM

 
 
I guess my question is, who was better than Flair at the time that you would rather have seen in a bigger role or in the "spotlight?" If there was someone as all-around good as Flair then it would have been them; but there wasn't. Well written article though, although I completely disagree.

Also, with regards to Hogan, Michaels, and others who had huge egos and stole the thunder, etc. versus Triple H and the inconsistencies of their respective criticisms - I think because HBK was involuntarily out of the spotlight for 4.5 years, and Hogan was out of the spotlight for several years (only to return and re-invent himself in the NWO, and subsequent "nostalgia" run in WWE), their "spotlight hogging" was - to a certain extent - forgiven because we were so excited to see them return. Triple H, on the other hand, has never really been away for any great lengths of time. If Austin or The Rock hadn't left, we may be saying the same of them too. I think it's just timing and visibility. Triple H has been on TV (quad tears aside) pretty much consistently since 1995 and has been a main attraction for 9 or 10 of those 13 years. Everyone was pumped when he came back this past year, and I bet that if he were sidelined or away from the ring for 2, 3, 4 years, we'd easily forget his "spotlight-hoggery" upon his return.

I also believe -- and this is CERTAINLY debatable as it is my opinion only -- that if you looked at the individual body of work of Hogan, Flair, Bret, Michaels vs. that of a Triple H, you would see that The Game’s pales in comparison to theirs. How many CLASSIC Wrestlemania matches has HHH had (that didn't involve HBK)? How many classic interviews has he had (that also didn’t involve HBK or DX)? OK, now how many unforgettable moments can you think of off the top of your head that involved Hogan (slamming Andre, forming the NWO, legend vs legend against The Rock, etc.); how about HBK (pick any Wrestlemania match from 1994 on)? how about Flair (there’s not enough room)? Bret Hart (he worked well with guys he loved - Owen, Bulldog, Austin, Henning – and guys he didn’t – Nash, HBK, Hall, 123 Kid). Triple H is a great entertainer, and WWE is typically better for having him around. But I think people would be more forgiving if he was CONSISTENTLY CLASSIC like Flair, Hogan, Hart, Austin, Rock, Michaels are/were.

Hogan's matches were usually terrible, but his presence alone and his interviews were great...the opposite for Bret, and pretty the interviews AND matches of Flair, HBK, Rock, Austin, etc. were/are great more than they were/are not. I believe that canNOT be said for Triple H. Which is also why he is at his best when surrounded by or working with Flair, Michaels, Austin, Rock, etc.


Posted By: John B. Hopkins (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 02:36 PM

 
 
Great job, Michael.
One of the best written columns, I agree.


Posted By: registered (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 02:56 PM

 
 
I agree with your points, but let's face it, most wrestlers can at times be selfish dicks. If guys were refused HOF entries, 'god-like' portrayals, long retirement angles etc based on selfishness, I don't think this sport would have created any legends.

Posted By: Guest#2225 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 02:58 PM

 
 
This is why I think the match between Flair and HBK is perfect for Mania. They're so alike in what theyve done. They're both regarded as 2 of the best EVER in Wrestling, by being entertaining, able to get a good match out of a broom and being wizards on the mike, by being either a face or heel. They've also both got salty pasts, using political power to be able to keep their spots, keep the title, throwing tantrums and walking out when they feel they're being pushed aside. It just sets up this match perfectly. I just kind of hope the promos touch on this.

For the people defending Flair. There was no internet around at this time so we didnt have any of what we have today in terms of insider stories. People are so willing to overlook the negatives so the positive picture isnt distorted. No one is perfect, especially in wrestling where egos run wild. In fact, the only person I would say who put the business before everything would be The Rock because he jobbed...while he was at the top...to everyone, including the Big Boss Man, and even the Rock played the political game. No one is perfect so to sit there, call the author of the piece names and say how perfect Flair is, is not only rude because no where in this article does he name call you, but its also very naive

I think the same sort of mirror will happen with Triple H and Edge at some point too. I just PRAY they dont dot the Flair beats Shawn, Triple H wins the title and then at Backlash the main event is Triple H vs Ric Flair because we ALL know how that would end.


Posted By: FDuk200k (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 03:44 PM

 
 
I have always thought Flair was overrated. I loved his matches with Steamboat and Sting, and his '92 performance made the best Royal Rumble match ever by a mile. But Steamboat had great matches with others, as did Sting. And sorry, but most of what I've seen from Flair before 1989 wasn't that good. His matches with Dusty were boring beyond belief, same for Windham, etc. He was VERY skilled at his craft, but placing him head and shoulders above all others is just unjustified. IMO Steamboat could have carried the NWA if given the chance, especially with any charismatic heel to carry the promos. His WCW feud with Rick Rude was white-hot despite Rude's limited ring ability (he could bump his ass off but his offense sucked).

Ric Flair hasn't been a consistently good wrestler since 1994. He's a compulsive spender and will likely come back in less than two years with more wrinkles, less hair and another divorce. I can't speak much on his politics since I've only seen most of his 80's work from tapes. But his last act is to choose a hopefully great match with HBK rather than to put someone over who needs it. That speaks volumes.


Posted By: Jason (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:15 PM

 
 
Don't be superised if you wind up in a figure four after this article, young man!

Posted By: V.Russo (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:15 PM

 
 
Article of the year right here. How many other op-ed articles even get 10 replies?

Posted By: Manbearpig (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 04:29 PM

 
 
This column makes me miss JP's In Defense Of.

Good job.


Posted By: G-Walla (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:01 PM

 
 
Great column Michael. Im looking forward to reading it again for anything i may of missed the first time.

Posted By: Guest#1921 (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:02 PM

 
 
Really great opinion piece Michael. While I think you overstate the impact of Flair's booking on the Turner buyout, I can't argue with most of what you say here. Here's hoping for a few more quality, thoughtful articles like this on 411!

Posted By: Evil Doink (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 05:29 PM

 
 
T Horner is the greatest comment writer of all time. I believe he lists himself as "Smarty" on another thread.

Posted By: JoeW (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 06:05 PM

 
 
I think T.Horner is just ripping off Thag the Brute. He's the caveman who writes a football column here.

Anyway, absolutely fantastic article.

I was never a huge Flair fan, and your article just justifies it for me a little bit more. Nothing against him, I just never understood the "revered greatness" and all that.


Posted By: Billy Whack (Guest)  on February 28, 2008 at 06:33 PM