The Top Ten 3.11.08: Surprisingly Good Matches
Posted by Julian Williams on 03.11.2008
The matches that were far better than you expected it to be. Kind of like sex with an ugly girl.
Good day folks and welcome back to another exhilarating edition of The Top Ten. So this week's Top Ten List was suppose to feature The Top Ten Spotfests, but after seeing some of you guys request for this list in the comments section, I decided to go with this topic this week. I ranked this list not in the order of how good the match was, but rather how much I believe it surprised us in its non-sucktitude. This is going to be a quick column this week so none of my usual witty banter and keen observations. Don't cry, it'll return next week. To the list!
The Top Ten Surprisingly Good Matches
Honorable Mention: The Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle (No Way Out '06)
Ok, raise your hand if you thought this match was going to be as great as it was. Liars. I don't think any of us expected a match this good from a beat down Kurt Angle and an aging Undertaker. Most of us were hoping that they would recapture the magic of the Smackdown match they had from a few years ago, but this match far exceeded that one. You had Undertaker, who was hell bent on capturing the World Title against Kurt Angle who refused to let anyone even dream about taking his title. It was just an awesome affair that saw Taker beating the crap out of Kurt, but Kurt would keep fighting back and everytime it seemed as though Taker was about to put Kurt away, Angle would find a way to counter it(including the AWESOME counter from the Tombstone into the Anklelock). Although the match ended with a screwy, non-sensical finish, it didn't take away from the greatness that preceded it. This match proved why Kurt Angle is the one of the best ever and Undertaker is probably the best big man to ever set foot in the squared circle.
Honorable Mention: The Big Show vs. Ric Flair (ECW, 7/11/06)
When this match was first announced, most people were immediately ready to declare it the worst match of the year. After all you had an obviously aging Ric Flair pitted against The Big Show, who isn't exactly known for his workrate, so it seemed that this match was destined for failure. The first opening minutes of this contest stuck true to that theory as both men were lumbering around and barely doing anything exciting outside of Show busting Flair open with some brutal headbutts. That all changed when Flair gave Show FOUR low blows in a row including one that Joey Styles called "the most blatant low blow in wrestling history" when Flair punted Show right in the marbles. From there, Flair got a baseball bat covered in barbed wire and smacked Show across the head with it. He then got a garbage can and smacked Show so hard in the head, it echoed throughout the arena for seconds. Flair then smacked Show right in the gut with a steel chair and after getting only a two count, took out a bag filled with thumbtacks and spread the tacks all around the ring. He gave Show three brutal chairshots to the head which made the big man collapse on top of the tacks. That just pissed The Big Show off and he flattened Flair with a clothesline and then locked in a Cobra Clutch to get the submission. This was a brutal and highly entertaining affair, especially since most people sharted all over it before it even began.
Honorable Mention: John Cena vs. Umaga (New Years Revolution '07)
Everybody knows about the classic that these two had the Royal Rumble, but leading up to their first meeting, many people thought this match was going to be horrible. It featured Umaga, who was still very unproven at that point and didn't seem like main event material, against John Cena, who the IWC just LOVE to bash. So people were ready to dismiss the match before even viewing it. While this match was nowhere near as good as their Royal Rumble encounter, it was tons better than anyone thought it would be and actually got people excited to see a rematch between the two. Umaga looked like an absolute beast and for the first time since winning the WWE Title, Cena seemed vulnerable which made the match that much more interesting. I believe that this is the match that made people start to respect Umaga and it was the Royal Rumble match that made everyone see that he was the real deal and certainly worthy of being in the main event.
10) Test vs. Shane McMahon (Summerslam ‘99)
By now, we all know that given the right stipulations, Shane McMahon can put on one hell of a match. That wasn't the case in 1999 as Shane never had a chance to shine in the ring and his opponent, Test, was a highly unproven commodity. This had all the makings to be a train wreck, but instead what we got was a hotly contested and thrilling match. Test started the match strong, even pressing slamming Shane onto The Mean Street Posse, who were sitting in the crowd. After The Posse helped Shane gain control of the match, The Boy Wonder proceeded to dish out some punishment including smashing a portrait (with glass and all) over Test's head. Test was soon able to recover and seemed to be ready to put Shane away, until The Posse interfered once again and laid Test out on an announce table. From there, Shane debuted the flying elbow off the top rope through the announce table and the crowd went NUTS. It seemed like that was all for Test, but he was able to kick out. The Posse tried everything in their power to help Shane win, but their antics were stopped when Patterson & Briscoe came down to the ring and started kicking The Posse's asses. Once The Posse was out of the equation, Test proceeded to give Shane a Pumphandle Slam and then a elbow off the top rope to finish him off. This was a fantastic match that kept the crowd excited and surprised just about everyone with how great it was.
9) The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton (Wrestlemania 21)
Leading up to this match, Randy finally went back to his heelish ways instead of being the bitch ass Orton that HHH had punked out and regained some of the edge that made him so popular in the first place (including a SWEEET RKO on the lovely Stacy Keibler). He challenged the Deadman to a match at Wrestlemania because he figured if he ended The Deadman's historic Wrestlemania streak, then nobody could ever deny that he's truly a Legend Killer. This match was a lot better than anyone ever expected with both men busting their ass to provide one hell of an entertaining bout. Even though Randy came very close to ending the streak, he fell victim to The Tombstone and became just another number on ‘Taker's historic streak. This encounter was a pleasant surprise and helped elevate Wrestlemania 21 into one of the most memorable ‘Mania's yet.
8) The Undertaker vs. Batista (Wrestlemania 23)
I think that this match just about surprised the hell out of everybody as most people didn't have high expectations for this match. These two men were determined to prove all the naysayers wrong and produce a great match and they definitely delivered. The match was packed with lots of brawling, intensity and drama. There were a couple times that it seemed like Batista might actually end the WM undefeated streak of The Deadman, but ‘Taker was once again able to pull it out on the grandest stage of them all. I believe this match was vastly underrated by some people, but as time goes on it will become more greatly appreciated. A great big man brawl that proved that The Undertaker doesn't have to be in the ring with a technical marvel in order to produce a great match.
7) Steve Austin vs. Vince McMahon (St. Valentine's Day Massacre)
This match helped prove that Vince McMahon is willing to do ANYTHING to put on a memorable match. I think this is probably Vince's best effort ever in the squared circle because there wasn't numerous run-ins (except at the end) and other shenanigans to distract from the match. For the most part, it was just Austin and Vince one-on-one and this time there wasn't going to be anymore goons swarming the ring to gang up on Austin. There was no escape for Mr. McMahon and there was going to be hell to pay. Austin beat the holy Jesus out of Vince that included a NASTY bump through an announce table from the top of the cage by the Genetic Jackhammer. Vince, as always, had a plan and that plan was the 500 pound Paul Wight(you know him as The Big Show) who debuted and proceeded to beat the tar out of Austin with the power of the ponytail. I love the ending that saw Austin still win the match by being thrown through the cage by Show and Vince's backup plan backfired right in his face.
6) Shane McMahon vs. Vince McMahon (Wrestlemania 17)
In an event that featured such legendary matches as Rock/Austin, Angle/Benoit, Undertaker/HHH and TLC II, who knew that this match would be able to match the lofty standards set by those classics and still be talked about to this day. This was a match where Shane was fighting for the honor of his mother after Vince had basically flaunted his affair in front of her and then drugged her up so that she couldn't retaliate. Father and son had an intense battle that saw Shane crash through the announce table after missing an elbow drop and also saw Shane debut the Van Terminator in a WWE ring. This match also featured Trish Stratus turning on Vince, Mick Foley beating down Vince, and Linda rising from her sedated state to kick Vince square in grapefruits. Poor Vince.
5) Ric Flair vs. Edge (Raw, 1/16/06)
I'm sure that many of you, like myself, were thinking, "What the fuck" when reading that Ric Flair was scheduled to take on Edge in a TLC match for the WWE title. Ric Flair had never been in a ladder match EVER in his illustrious career, so all of us were expecting a train wreck. What we got was a pleasant surprise as these two went out and put on one hell of a match. Edge's splash from the ladder in the ring to a prone Flair on a table set on the outside of the ring is one of those highlights you'll see for years to come in the WWE. When Flair dumped Edge off the ladder and through a table set on the outside, you really thought that the Nature Boy was about to capture his 17th world title. Edge was able to recover(with help from the slut-tacular Lita) and retain his title, but the winner of the match didn't matter because it was just a thoroughly entertaining match that none of us were expecting.
4) The Undertaker vs. Diesel (Wrestlemania 12)
In 1996, The Undertaker didn't have many good matches unless it was with someone named Mick Foley. So when he was set to face Diesel, who didn't have many good matches unless it was with someone named Shawn Michaels, it seemed like a disaster waiting to happen. But instead what happened was that these two put on a very entertaining big man match that was miles better than anyone ever expected. I think what made this match so good was Diesel going into total dickhead mode, which made him infinitely more cool and also made the crowd hate him that much more. His dickish attitude helped get the crowd into the match and his cockiness made the fans clamor to see The Deadman drop him on his head. Diesel actually dominated the majority of the matchup and was able to hit two Jackknife Powerbombs on ‘Taker, but after each one, he pandered to the crowd which probably cost him the match. The Deadman was able to recover and deliver The Tombstone for the three count, much to the delight of the crowd. This was a match that proved that The Undertaker is a great big man and that Diesel, at least during this portion of his career, could get it done in the ring.
3) Stephanie McMahon vs. Trish Stratus (No Way Out '01)
How could a match that featured two untrained (at the time) and inexperienced women turn out to be not only decent, but pretty damn good? I don't think we'll ever know, but on this night Trish and Stephanie put on a match that far exceeded the expectations of everybody watching. Mind you, this wasn't a classic or anything but compared to the shitfest that most of us were expecting, this was a pleasant surprise. These two brutalized each other and Trish showed some flashes of the athleticism that would propel her to being one of the best women's champions of all-time. The matched ended when William Regal gave Trish the Regal Cutter behind the ref's back which allowed Stephanie to pick up the pin. This match is a testimony that when you get two people in the ring that are determined to put on a good show, no matter what limitations they might have, they will accomplish their goal.
2) Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania 6)
This match had no right to be good. After all it featured two of the most charismatic, yet worst, workers in the history of professional wrestling. It should have been a disaster of epic proportions (ala Brock/Goldberg at WM20). But it wasn't. Not only did they have the crowd in the palm of their hands, but they put on an above average match which, when coupled with the electric atmosphere, made for one of the most memorable matches in ‘Mania history. Hulk Hogan faced the Ultimate Challenge at Wrestlemania 6 and this match also marked the first time that two faces squared off at Wrestlemania for the WWE Title. The crowd was split 50/50 between Hogan and Warrior and this match had them on the edge of their seat during the entire duration of it. Everytime it seemed that one man had the upper hand, the other one would fire right back. It seemed like neither man could be put down for a three count. The ending came when Hogan missed the big legdrop and Warrior was able to splash him for the three count. This was monumental at the time as it seemed that Warrior was destined to be the next big thing in pro wrestling and while that eventually fizzled out, there's no denying that this match was off the charts in terms of pure entertainment.
1) Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H (Summerslam '02)
It seems a bit weird to place two of the best in-ring performers of all-time at the top of a "surprisingly good matches" list, but you have to remember that 2002 was a different time for both men. Triple H had returned from a quad injury earlier in the year and many IWC pundits claimed that The Game had "lost it" and no longer was the same wrestler who put on classic match after classic match in 2000 and 2001. Shawn Michaels was returning after a 4 year absence due to a back injury and many people worried that Shawn was no longer physically capable of putting on the "showstopping" matches that he did before the injury. Everyone was happy to see Shawn return to the ring, but many worried that not only was he going to make a fool of himself after being out of the ring for 4 years, but also were concerned about his well being since it was a very serious injury he was returning from. Everyone's concerns were put to rest when HHH and HBK went out and put on an absolute classic much to the surprise and wonderment of everybody. They could have taken it easy as the in-ring return of HBK was enough to draw the fans in, but I think that both men wanted to prove to a negative public that they were still capable of putting on a classic match. This match reminded everyone why Triple H was so highly regarded in the previous years and made everyone realize that Shawn Michaels is truly a wrestling god amongst men. For him to come back from such a serious injury and have a match that great was truly phenomenal. And HBK went on to prove that this match was no fluke by having numerous other classic matches in the years to follow. But this was the match that started his comeback and made us all believers in the awesomeness of HBK again.
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You've sucked me dry people (That's what she said…..HA!). Be sure to leave your comments and come back next week when I flip the coin and look at The Top Ten Surprisingly Bad Matches. Don't worry, I'll do that Spotfests list. Eventually.
i wasnt surprised by taker/amgle at no way out. they had an awesome match at survivor series in 2000. they also had a great match on sd tv.
ddp vs savage shocked the hell out of me. it made ddp a solid main eventer.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 03:19 PM
I fail to see how the ending to Angle/Taker was screwy, Angle reversed the submission and pinned him right in the middle of the ring. He didn't tap out at the same time or anything like they've done in previous matches, that was as clean as you could get.
Posted By: Guest#2489 (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Does every road lead back to how "awesome" Huntor the Barberrier and the douche "who lost his smile are"? Michaels I can somewhat see, but I can't give any credence to a guy who by process of elimination of main eventers (see; Austin, Stone Cold, and Rock, The) who crowbared his way into the main event by fucking the boss's daughter. Get their nuts out of your fuckin' mouth Williams!
Posted By: thechriseco (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Jeez, I didn't think the number one was that bad...
Anyway, for some reason I was expecting the Taker/Hardy ladder match to show up, even though it was your #1 overrated. Oh well.
Posted By: MP (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 03:38 PM
I never get why Taker gets so much hate. He has been in a Ton of great matches, memorable matches, and this list goes to show it.
People like to hate on Taker as a no selling lug. However, if anyone else had to wrestle (and put over sometimes) as many no-talent slugs as Taker has, they would be seen as a hero.
Posted By: Louis (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 03:39 PM
'thechriseco' has obviously forgotten that Triple H was placed in the main event MONTHS before hooking up with Stephanie, and won the King of the Ring earlier still...which, in fact, was a year after he was meant to. So the whole "he only got where he is by banging the boss's daughter" is utter lunacy.
Posted By: T.G. Corke (Registered) on March 11, 2008 at 04:04 PM
How about Goldberg vs. DDP?
Posted By: Greg (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:11 PM
you forgot Saturn vs Essa Rios from Heat back in the day. That match is arguably the 2nd greatest Heat match ever (behind Rock/Foley Halftime Heat).
Posted By: KG9 (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:12 PM
could you please title these....
"Top Ten ______ WWE Matches"
i have seen more surprisingly good matches in other promotions, but these are all only WWE matches. no complaints, but it is what it is....
Posted By: thug saint OGA (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Although not on the level of the others, I'd have to mention the Fit Finley v. Steven Regal match at Uncensored 96. Going into the match, Finley was a relative unknown, and Regal was known more for his technial prowess. However, these two gave one of the stiffest matches in WCW's history. If the match had a winner instead of a cheap DQ win, it would have been a MOTYC, as it stands, it remains one of the most memorable matches in either of their careers, and a true slice of something different--rare for WCW at the time.
I should also mention a near-classic match with Carl Oulette v. Bret Hart at IYH III. On the surface, it had a ridiculous setup (Carl playing the pirate) and Bret was simply marking time until the WWF wanted to re-elevate him. However, from the insane tope in which Bret nearly landed on his head, to the killer ending sequence, both guys had their working boots on, making this one of the great unsung matches of the 90's.
Posted By: MIchael L (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Surely LT vs. Bam Bam Bigelow should be up there somewhere? Someone called it 'the greatest celebrity vs. wrestler match'
Posted By: mr_wishart (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:26 PM
If you can't see how AWESOME Shawn Michaels is than you're not truly a wrestling fan, are you?
Posted By: Kristi (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Good list. HBK vs. HHH had an awesome build to it. The match is great, it is worth watching again. JR and King did a hell of a job calling that match as well. Way better than the stinkaroo they put on at Armageddon that same year :)
Posted By: JM (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Goes to show how great Undertaker was/is. Eventually, we'll stop just calling him the best Big Man ever, and start calling him one of the best 10-15 overall wrestlers in history.
Good list, but I'd like to add that NOBODY expected the fireworks of the Rock/Hogan heat fest, though it was no wrestling clinic.
Posted By: Buck I (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 05:32 PM
I think the first Elevation X match is a good candidate.
Shamrock Vs Undertaker is a match that was far different than what people expected.
I'll throw out Ultimo Dragon Vs. Steve Regal. It was an opener for one of the WCW PPV's and was the best match on the card.
Posted By: Scotty Flamingo (Registered) on March 11, 2008 at 05:35 PM
This list is in serious need of one of the Cena/Khali matches which far surpassed being awful like everyone expected to reach the lofty (by Khali) standards of decent. Maybe even the Khali/Batista Punjabi Prison match, just for the finish.
Heck, just for fun I'd probably give the Rockers/La Resistance and Marty/Angle matches from 2005 match an Honorable mention because I'm always shocked by how good Marty Janetty is after being released so many time.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 05:38 PM
How about Boogeyman vs. Khali? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Posted By: Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 06:04 PM
How about beulah and fonzie back in ECW? I believe it was Paul heyman that said it was one of the most violent, passionate matches in the history of ECW, and for a match between a relatively un-trained female wrestler (not meaning that to be sexist or anything) and a 140 lbs. referee, is was quite good.
Posted By: travis (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 06:09 PM
I thought I would've seen HBK/Hogan or Vince/Hogan on here. HBK/Hunter at Summerslam 02 was a fantastic match, but I wasn't all that surprised that it was a fantastic match. Especially with the build it had behind it.
Posted By: Tigerpaw28 (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 06:24 PM
How about Shane McMahon vs. Kurt Angle? That is still my favorite match featuring either one of them.
Tito Santana/JYD vs. The Funk Brothers at Wrestlemania 2. While Tito and JYD may now be HOF'ers, lets' be honest they're good wrestlers at best, but nothing special. But WOW when I saw this match recently on WWE 24/7. If it wasn't for the British Bulldogs/Dream Team tag title match, this would have easily been match of the night(another team you can say is underrated)
Booker T vs. Rick Martel in WCW. Who knew that Martel could still GO, even in the late 90s.
Bob Orton/Don Muracco vs. Can-Am Connection at Wrestlemania 3. I will always pick this match over the VERY overrated Steamboat/Savage one. Especially when it features Orton/Muracco, who hardly put on mat classics.
What about the match Hardcore Holly had on ECW where he suffered that gash? Holly earned alot of respect that night (even if it was temporary).
Another good Vince McMahon one is his Buried Alive match with Undertaker.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 07:25 PM
good list, but I'm a bit surprised that Bill Alfonso vs. Beulah isn't on here as an honorable mention. My $0.02
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 07:43 PM
"i wasnt surprised by taker/amgle at no way out. they had an awesome match at
survivor series in 2000. they also had a great match on sd tv." ~ rey
Rey, you WERE surprised by the quality of this match, because 'taker/Angle from SurSer 2000 SUCKED. the confrontation was only funny because of Angle's backstage antics beforehand. That match was a snooze-fest!
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 07:49 PM
The deal with the undertaker is that he CAN be a lug. Actually about 60 % of the time, that's why it shocking when he does 4 stars.
I think his workboots get lost sometimes.
Posted By: Eddie Chicago (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 08:06 PM
NO HHH vs Rikishi?
OR
The 3 star Kane vs Albert Smackdown match where Albert won the IC belt. That was a SURPRISINGLY good match if I've ever seen one.
Posted By: STAYMATIC (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 08:13 PM
HHH vs. Taka. Damn, HHH made so many people look good back in 2000.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Ugly girls are always some of the best because they'll let you do wayyyyy more than most pretty girls. I thought that was a universally known maxim.
Posted By: YouStayClassy (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 08:27 PM
I would have put the second Punjabi Prison match in there somewhere. Everyone was expecting a shitfest, but it was actually pretty damn good considering the fact that it had 3 things against it.
1. The fact that it was a Punjabi Prison match
2. The fact that Khali was in it
3. The fact that Batista was in it.
Posted By: m8 (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 08:49 PM
Anyone remember Scott Hall vs Goldberg in early 99. That was a really good match. With all of Halls crap people forget that he is really good. This match was awsome and easily the best of Goldberg's career.
TNA's Jeff Jarrett vs Raven match for the title was also shockingly good.
Posted By: SolidCPlus (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 09:03 PM
first off, i'd like to clear something up to you people. this list is matches that he thought would suck, but didn't. he is in no way talking "jive" about HBK, The Undertaker, or Ric Flair. He's just saying that HBK was coming back from a career ending back injury, the undertaker wasn't the phenom yet, and flair is fuckin old.
second off, maybe you should stop underestimating the mcmahons. they account for like 25% of this list
Posted By: steveo (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Why do people seem to forget that Shane did a corkscrew off the top rope in his match with Test. The elbow drop into the table is his signature move, but I think the corkscrew was much more impressive.
Posted By: Buddha (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 09:57 PM
You know, there is no reason to claim that Hogan is one of the WORST workers in history. Was he a technical master like Benoit, Angle or Hart? No. But come on, Hogan has had some great matches. Besides, you need to accept the fact that 90% of people who watch wrestling (as opposed to just read about it on 'net) apparently are more entertained by Hogan than someone like Benoit.
A final note...The Undertaker does not suck. Yes, he has had some matches that weren't the most exciting. But look at his opponents. Look at the backstory to those matches. Not every match is ****, but then again, many of the IWC darlings had bad / boring matches.
Overall comment when regarding Hogan and Undertaker - get some freakin' perspective!
Posted By: cpbasil (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 09:59 PM
Ur aritcal is my second favortie here on 411 (second to ask411 wrestling) about i think it'd be great if now you did a "dissapointment Matches" one where everyone thought it was going to be a classic, and it just sucked
Posted By: Litas Biggest Fan (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Good list of surprising matches.
How about the Ten Best Matches from each Territory in the 70's / 80's?
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Flair vs Stone Cold the week before Steve walked out on the company in 02. The match was a no punching rule and I swear, I havnt seen so many brutal chops since the 92 rumble!
Anyone else remember this one?
Posted By: A.G. Awesome (Guest) on March 11, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Great to see some love for Flair/Show from 2006. It was one of my favorite matches from 2006, and probably my favorite Big Show match of all time (not that that says much...).
Anyway, people that talk about how good Undertaker is now probably didn't sit through his terrible stuff from his debut in 1990 through his eventual matchups with GOOD workers in 1996. Before Foley and Nash entered his life, Taker was constantly matched up against guys like Mabel, Giant Gonzalez, Kama, Mr. Hughes, Kamala, Yokozuna, and all sorts of other crap. Taker is good, but boy has he had bad matches in his career.
Posted By: DG (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I was also expecting 2 see that match from raw during the gold rush tornament with hbk vs shelton benjamin that deserves 2 be in the top 5 if not 2
Posted By: hitman (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 01:16 AM
Wait is a match featuring Vince O Mac ahead of the masterpiece known as Angle vs Taker ?
Anyway The Undertaker is not only the greatest "big" man in history HE IS one of the 10 greatest performers in HISTORY .
Why were those encounters with such lame workers as RKO and Tista so frickin awesome ?
Cause The Dead Man carried their asses to new heights and made them his very EQUALS in the ring .
And you talk about "non selling" he was selling NUTS on both of these two matches .
The Undertaker = one of the very best EVER
BAR NONE
P.S : if you still doubt it, watch back his performance at SD ! EC at NWO this year .
So amazing I was speechless
Huh can't believe my fondest mania memory of all time (Hogan starring down Warrior) is number 2 .
I'm not alone finding this match far better than some people tend to think it is ?
It's also the proof than YES Hogan can wrestle (like he proved it more than once in Japan against the likes of Inoki, Mutoh and Chono) and YES The Most Popular wrestler in history could carry someone else to greatness in the ring (and carrying The Warrior is one hell of an accomplishment, only two other guys managed to do it, RUDE and SAVAGE)
Posted By: Kyle Hyde (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 01:54 AM
I remember witnessing the opposite of a surprisingly good match at Wrestlemania 23, and then turning back into a surprisingly good match soon afterwards. The match in question was the ECW Originals Vs New Breed match. While I did think it was decent, I didn't think it was as fun as I expectd it to be.
But then there was a rematch on Tuesday Night ECW. I was kind of doubtful that one more try would make it all better, but I was taken by surprise as it actually was a whole heap better. I mean, I don't think I'll ever forget that sick Elijah Express through the table at the end of the match.
Posted By: justwaveyourhandsintheair (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 01:54 AM
No NWA/ WCW matches?
Posted By: michaelMD (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 02:02 AM
Triple H made taka look good?taka was as talented as trips.Mick Foley himself said if talent was the most important factor,taka would be the world champion.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 03:06 AM
Where is Goldberg vs Scott Steiner on this list?!?!?! That has to be the best "This is going to suck" that turned into a Great match there has ever been and where is Rock vs Hogan?!?!
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on March 12, 2008 at 03:55 AM
One that always sticks out in my mind is the Big Boss Man vs Barbarian match that had to follow Rockers/Orient Express at 1991's Royal Rumble.
Both men were ON and a hot crowd made this one stick out when I thought of good matches that probably shouldn't have been.
Posted By: Jonathan (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 05:14 AM
I totally agree with your list except The Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle should be in the top ten. Thats a hell of a match.
Posted By: Guest#3823 (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 01:23 PM
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Posted By: RavenEffect (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Good list. I second putting DDP vs Goldberg on here, and near the top. That was a classic by TWO guys the IWC reviles.
I thought Taker vs Orton sucked just as much as I expected it to. I just don't get what you see in it that I don't. It was plodding, awkward and utterly forgettable. As for Taker in general, he has had his ups and downs, but Vader was a WAY better "big man" in terms of consistent quality matches. With Taker, just look at HITC against Foley. Mick almost died twice and took all the thumbtack bumps, Taker enjoys the tough guy rep. Abyss is a ripoff but at least he gets as good as he gives punishment. Vince has protected Taker more than anyone and that air of invincibility is more responsible for his rep than anything he does in the ring. Don't get me wrong, he never half asses it in the ring and has done some great things. His dive over the top rope always stuns me and he seldom blows moves. His promos are short and to the point, and always go over big. But his career is one of the most convoluted in history in terms of assessing his talent. You could call him one of the best "sports entertainers" ever and I'd agree. But one of the best wrestlers? Not so much.
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 02:58 PM
These matches gotta be worth mentioning once. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Bret Hart WM 13, HBK vs Bret Hart WM 12, Edge vs Mick Foley WM 23, yes I know these are all at Mania. Speaking of Mania, lets not forget this one. Edge and Christian vs The Hardyz vs The Dudleys Triangle Ladder Match. Comon who didnt cheer for Hardy when he swantaned of the ladder through a table and bubba rey? Priceless!!! :) Well enough of my rant.
Posted By: King of Kings (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Good list i must say!!
Dont know bout Diesel/Taker.i thought it was pretty boring.
Totally agree with Test/Shane match.Glad that was there.Plus McMahon/McMahon doesnt get the recongizion it deserves when talking bout WM17.its like Piper/Adonais from WM3.
Someone mention DDP/Goldberg and i agree there.Maybe Savage/DDP in 97?
LT/Bam Bam Bigelow WM 11?
Posted By: Conor O'Boyle (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 03:25 PM
Man can I be anymore of a lame mark?
Posted By: Kyle Hyde (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 04:57 PM
I've gotta add Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow from one of the ECW payperviews (sorry, I can't remember which one). This is the one where Taz hit his head on the guardrail while suplexing Bam Bam off of the entrance ramp, and Bam Bam knocked a hole in the middle of the ring. Taz jumped in and after a couple of minutes climbed out in victory. That match right there made me a ECW (the real one, anyway) fan for life.
Posted By: mrw420 (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 07:22 PM
King of kings: please read the TITLE of the column. It's "Surprisingly Good Matches," not "Matches Everyone in the World Expected to Kick Ten Tons of Ass"
Posted By: MP (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Masato Tanaka vs. Mike Awesome at One Night Stand 05. When I heard that was added to the card, I laughed. I was like, "Mike Awesome???" Then they go out and put on a hell of a match, a throwback to the original ECW. That match had no right being as good as it was.
Posted By: Joey Gladstone (Guest) on March 12, 2008 at 08:03 PM
Just wave it's a shame the extreme rulez rematch of the ECW Originalz vs The New Breed didn't happen at Mania at all .
It was basically a one side affair at Mania XXIII between RVD and Striker .
Extreme Rulez would have made that very match up unforgettable .
BTW The Undertaker is a fantastic performer and deserves to be named among the 5-10 greatest workers EVER
NUFF SAID !!!!!
Posted By: Kyle Hyde (Guest) on March 13, 2008 at 12:42 AM
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