411's Countdown to WrestleMania 24: Shining a Spotlight - WrestleMania IX
Posted by Michael Weyer on 03.21.2008
As my part of the Countdown, a look back at the worst WrestleMania ever.
Graphic by Meehan
When I decided to take part in the Wrestlemania Countdown, it didn't take long for me to figure out a topic. It's tied in to something mentioned already in several of the Countdown articles but I think it's time someone examined it in depth. That's the answer to the question as to what is the worst Wrestlemania of all time. There's plenty of debate on the best. Some say X-7, others XX, others III. But when it comes to the worst Mania of all time, there's only one winner.
Now there have been plenty of poor Manias but those did have at least one match to redeem them. 13 had the classic Austin-Hart match that changed the course of wrestling. XIX had the great Michaels-Jericho matchup. Even IV had some nice bouts. So even these poor Manias do have a match or other aspect that redeems them and elevates them to a better card.
Wrestlemania IX has none of those redeeming qualities and that is why fifteen years later, it still ranks as the worst Mania of all time.
The previous year had been one of change for WWE as Hulk Hogan had bid farewell, seemingly for good (how little we knew). Things were a bit rough for business despite Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior having a feud for the WWF title and Ric Flair around. With Warrior leaving after a contract dispute, pushes were made with Bret Hart winning the WWF title and Shawn Michaels the IC belt, indicating a new push to lighter, less muscular athletes. True, business was taking a dip but there was still a great fan base to build on for the future.
That increased when RAW debuted in January and the Royal Rumble was set up so the winner got a shot at the WWF title at Mania. That was won by Yokozuna, promising a unique battle of the biggest man in the company against a smaller one. But Vince McMahon felt he needed something more. He needed another touch, he needed something to really sell the show and help business out.
He needed Hulk Hogan. So he went out and agreed to a huge payday to get him. And that would turn out to be one of the worst mistakes Vince would ever make that would shake up the entire company for a year and not for the better.
It began in January as Brutus Beefcake had been doing interviews with WWF for a while and was in the ring to talk to fans. That brought out Money Inc, Ted DiBiase and Irwin R. Schyster (aka Mike Rotundo), who had reigned for a while as tag team champions, came out to run Beefcake down and then attacked him. It went beyond the usual punches and kicks as they used a metal briefcase to smash Beefcake in his surgically reconstructed face. The attack was so brutal that their own manager, long-time heel Jimmy Hart, actually stood up for Beefcake and tried to call them off. When Money Inc left, Hart stayed behind as Beefcake was loaded on a stretcher and taken off.
A couple of weeks later, Hulk Hogan made his RAW debut to announce that he was coming back to help Beefcake. Hart had switched sides, decked out in full Hogan colors and Beefcake wore a face mask with red and yellow as well. So it was set up for a tag title match against Money Inc which seemed to boost the show.
However, the setting wasn't exactly the sort of epic showcase for the biggest show of the year. After pulling over 60,000 people to the Hooiser Dome the previous year, it made little sense to relocate to Ceaser's Palace in Las Vegas, a city not quite known as a wrestling haven.. Sure, it was a nice setting but also much, much smaller. It ranks as the only Mania to take place at an outdoor setting (VII was to be at the LA Collisium but after low ticket sales was moved to the LA Sports Arena) which was set up like a Roman arena to hold the 16, 891 fans. After years of seeing huge arenas packed to the rafters, watching a crowd more suited to a tennis match than the biggest show of the year was jarring and a sign things weren't as good for WWF as they had been.
That Roman theme extended all around. Gorilla Monsoon, clad in a dark toga, welcomed everyone to "the biggest toga party in the world." Howard Finkel was clad in a white robe and a crown of leaves and introduced as "Finkus Maximus." Bobby Heenan, also clad in a dark robe and golden leaf crown, came out on an ill-tempered camel. Randy Savage was in full Macho Man regalia with a white tinge, coming out lounging on a large couch drawn by a horse with women throwing petals and feeding him grapes along the way. And, making his grand debut to WWF after years with WCW was Jim Ross. Yes, in his very first WWF appearance, good ol' JR was shown in a white toga, red cape, gold sandals and trying to put a good face on it all as he joked with men dressed as Roman centurions. That was followed by models dressed like Ceasar and Cleopatra coming out on an elephant.
Looking back, that should have all been a sign as to how things were going to go downhill.
It started off well enough as for the second year in a row, Shawn Michaels kicked things off. This time, he was the Intercontinental champion. This was a period of Michael's career often glossed over as after breaking with Sheri Martel and before hiring Kevin Nash, Michaels had Luna Vachon as a valet. Michaels was facing Tatanka, the Native American wrestler who was rising well in the company with a good winning streak so people really thought he had a chance to win the belt. Tatanka had Sheri in his corner as he and HBK started to go at it. IT started off slow with armbars but picked up steam with Michaels taking a great charge into the post and Tatanka hitting him with a shoulderbreaker. Michaels hit him with a kick as Tatanka left off the top rope and a running clothesline. Looking back, it does seem Shawn's timing was off a bit and it makes you wonder if he was on something (Hey, he fully admits he was on a lot of stuff back then). He did take plenty of bumps with chops and being catapulted into the post and powerslammed from the top. After missing a leap and hitting the stairs, Shawn punched referre Joey Marella, allowing Tatanka to hit him with his fallaway slam finisher only to have it revealed that Michaels was DQ'ed. An okay match with a bad ending with Luna attacking Sheri afterward in a program that went nowhere as Sheri left WWF not long after.
The next match had the Steiners, still new to WWF, facing the Headshrinkers, giving JR the chance to work in "slobberknocker" and "smash-mouth" less than a minute into the match. It was fun to hear JR call a match with the Steiners when they were in their prime, even claiming this must have been what the coliseiums were like. However, the match just wasn't that much fun, mostly punching and kicking. But there were bright spots like when Scott was supposed to be hot-shotted on the top rope but instead sailed over it to the floor. Then the spot of the night as the Shrinkers set up a Doomsday Device move but Rick caught and powerslammed Samu in mid-air. Scott was able to finish it up with a Frankensteiner, which was still a rare move back then so it was a poor match but nice finish.
Now the next bout involved two unique characters. Crush had debuted as part of Demolition, with black leather and face paint. He had returned minus the paint, long blonde hair and a suit of neon yellow, orange and purple. His opponent was the original Doink the Clown, Matt Borne. Most know Doink as the annoying clown of later years but the original concept wasn't too bad as he was actually an evil clown. As he came out, his circus music shifted to a more sinister tone with screams and he'd use a cigar to pop kids' balloons and use heel mannerisms. Doink had attacked Crush in a match earlier to set this up. The match was about as bad as you can expect from these two, Crush's power moves and Doink's shictk clashing too badly to mesh. When the ref was knocked down, Crush went for his fnisher only to have a second Doink run in from under the ring to knock him out with a prostethic arm. The two Doinks would mimic the Marx Brothers with a mirror bit to the non-amusement of the crowd before the second Doink ran out to let the first one pin Crush, ending arguably the worst match on the card (and that's saying something).
Two more interesting characters would pop in the next match. Razor Ramon had been given a good push the year before but after losing to Bret at the Royal Rumble had been on his way down. He would, of course, end up bouncing back after a loss to the 1-2-3 Kid, a face turn and the IC title. Bob Backlund, after years away, had returned to WWF and was making good headway with his classic grappling long before his wild heel turn. Ramon would actually be cheered by the crowd as Backlund only managed a classic atomic drop before being cradled for a fast pin in less than four minutes.
So we came to the first big event as the "Mega-Maniacs" faced Money Inc. Hogan came out with a black eye, which Money Inc claimed was their doing by hiring a bunch of guys to beat up Hogan the night before (in truth, Hogan simply woke up with an infection that morning). It's notable that Hogan not only got a lukewarm reaction but was noticbly thinner than his last period in WWF, no doubt from lack of steroids. Naturally, it started with the Maniacs pummeling the heels until they started to walk off so Earl Hebner declared that if they didn't get back, they'd lose the belts. They'd pound on Hogan with DiBiase slapping on the Million-Dollar Dream which Hogan no-sold, weaking its impact. While the ref was distracted by IRS, Beefcake hit his crappy sleeper on DiBiase which of course put him out in about five seconds. Randy Savage would get off a hysterical comment (and I'm quoting verbatim here): "The people are hanging from the rafters…although this Roman coliseum doesn't have rafters…but it has columns, and people are hanging from them." After a double knockout, Hogan tagged in Beefcake only to have Beefcake attacked with the suitcase again with his mask torn off. Beefcake recovered to hit IRS with a sleeper which led to the ref getting bumped. Hogan tagged in to do the big boots and both guys got hit in the face by Beefcake's mask. The Maniacs did a double cover and Hart ran in to count the three-count. However, before the celebrations could begin, Danny Davis came out to say the Maniacs were DQed for using the facemask. It was a shock to everyone that Hogan would actually agree to do a Wrestlemania only to lose. How little we all knew…
In a bit of truly ironic timing, the next match featured Lex Luger as the Narcissit. Luger had attempted a bodybuilding career but a motorcycle injury ended that. After cutting his muscles down, he came to WWF and was put up as a total egotist who would have women following him and surrounding him with mirrors so he could see his reflection before matches. I know quite a few are cracking Luger didn't have to go too far to pull that off but it was a nice example of how the best personas are just the real person taken to the tenth power. Luger would come off as a bully using the steel plate in his arm to his advantage. Meanwhile, Mr. Perfect had been on a roll since turning face, beating Ric Flair in a loser leaves town match. Bobby Heenan, Flair's manager, was so outraged by that, he got Luger to start attacking Henning. The accident had cost Luger some of his polish so it was a rough battle but Henning got going with some great chops and kicks. Luger came back with smashes of his forearm on Henning's back, showing some nice psychology as Henning was still recovering from back surgery. Henning bounced back with a sunset flip and sleeper and a small package before taking his usual slingshot into the post. The ending was nice as both men got the other for a backslide, each fighting for control before Luger got Henning over, getting the pin despite the fact Henning had his feet on the second rope. Luger hit Henning afterward, Perfect chasing him only to be attacked by Shawn Michaels, setting up a feud between the two. It was a good turn for Luger's character that might have gone far had they not had the idea to turn him into a second Hogan.
From a fair match came another bad one as Undertaker was set to face the man well known as arguably the worst wrestler of all time, Giant Gonzalez. Seriously, the Great Khali is Ricky Steamboat compared to this guy. At least Khali is capable of walking in a natural way and bending over, two things Gonzalez seemed unable to accomplish. Standing eight feet tall and over three hundred pounds, Gonzalez was horribly immobile and not agile. It was hardly helped by his outfit, which was basically a full on flesh-covered body suit, complete with a crack on the ass and brown tufts of fur. He'd debuted to eliminate the Undertaker from the Rumble and so became the next guy to face him. I know everyone complains about Taker guarding his spot today but when you consider he spent about five years pitted against every big, slow guy Vince could throw against him, it's understandable. The Undertaker came out in style with a chariot towed by bearers and a live vulture settled on it. To call the match bad is to give it a break as Taker did his best to sell Gonzalez as a monster but it was one of the slowest and stiffiest battles you can imagine. After "action" I'll spare you all from recapping, Gonzalez grabbed an ether-soaked rag to knock Taker out and get DQ'ed. Taker would be carried out by bearers but return moments later to attack Gonzalez, setting up a match at SummerSlam that would be even worse.
What should have been a warning sign came as Mean Gene interviewed Hogan over the loss, Hogan saying he was sticking behind to see how things came out. Insert forboding music…
So we finally get to the big main event as Bret, a man who'd proven to be a viable and marketable champion over the last six months faced the monster Yokozuna. I've always thought Yokozuna was highly underrated as a powerhouse. This was a man who weighed over six hundred pounds who was able to move better than guys half his size, a powerful package. Bret used his smarts to lure Yokozuna to the ropes and trip him up before doing a slingshot headbutt and an elbow drop from the second rope. Yoko would do a quick super-kick and a nerve pinch to turn the tide. Yoko went for a charge but Bret ducked it to miss and hit a bulldog. He'd then fight dirty by tearing the turnbuckle off to ram Yoko's head into it and knock him to the mat. That gave Bret the chance to do the Sharpshooter, something to see on a guy so huge. As the ref checked on Yoko, Mr. Fuji grabbed a handful of salt and threw it into Bret's face. Stunned, Bret fell back allowing Yoko to roll him up for the pin, despite the fact Hebner had salt on him when he counted. The crowd was shocked as for the first time ever, a heel was emerging from Wrestlemania as the big winner and champion.
And that's when the moment occurred that has given the card its infamously horrible reputation.
While Yoko and Fuji celebrated in the ring, Bret was outside and Hogan came out to check on him, despite the fact Hogan and Bret had absolutely no friendship or for that matter, any real contact at all. As they walked away, Fuji, in what has to rank as the stupidest managerial move in the history of wrestling, immediately issued an open challenge to Hogan for the title. Hogan acted like he wasn't interested until Bret waved at him to go ahead. So as the man who had been the leader of the company for the last half year walked away blinded, Hogan went into the ring and was grabbed by Yoko so Fuji could use the salt again. This time, Hogan ducked so Fuji hit Yoko, allowing Hogan to clothesline him, hit the legdrop and get the pin for his record fifth WWF title.
Yes, it's true the crowd at the time went wild with Hogan as champion. But the damage that would be done was horrible to the company. For a year, Vince had done all he could to show the WWF could survive without Hogan and was showing that with Bret and Shawn as champs. But in a move to get back to the glory days of business, Vince threw away any trust he had with Bret to give Hogan the spotlight once more. It was instantly clear the only reason for the tag title match in the first place was to have an excuse to have Hogan on hand to set up the ending. The fans may have gone wild but it was a slap in the face for Hogan to take the top prize after all the hard work Bret had done, not to mention the potential Yoko would have as a heel champion. To undo all the build up for both Bret and Yokozuna just to give the tired Hogan act another run at the top was a truly bad move on Vince's part.
Karma would come to haunt him immediately however as Hogan would decide to take two months off rather than the planned rematches with Yokozuna. The plan was for Hogan to drop the belt to Bret at SummerSlam but Hogan refused to do it so they had to give it to Yoko at the King of the Ring. In his autobiography, Hogan claims he always thought the plan was to drop it to Yoko and he didn't know Vince had told Bret he'd get the belt until Bret confronted Hogan. But considering all the half-truths and outright lies that fill that bio, take that with a grain of salt.
Was this the worst PPV ever? No, far more fitting candidates. But this would have been a bad show at any time of the year. When you consider this is the gem of WWE's crown, the show meant to be remembered forever, its failings grow larger. Even worse was its impact over the year as the title was up in the air for two months before going back to Yoko while Bret spent the rest of the year on the mid-card. When Hogan did leave, rather than put Bret back in the main spot, Vince instead flushed away the potential success of the Narcisst to turn Luger into a second Hogan and then didn't even give him the title, which hurt Luger's career. Wrestlemania is supposed to be the start of a new year for WWF/E and in this case, it was a very, very bad one.
So no matter how poor this year may turn out to be, rest assured it'll have to be one of the five worst PPVs of all time in order to beat out IX. One can only hope that distinction remains for a long time to come or the whole business is in trouble.
I dunno, I enjoyed Wrestlemania IX. I get the Tagged Classics DVDs in the UK every now and then, and I still watch it.
Posted By: Marty (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 09:22 AM
did you watch wm 22 in chicago? all it basically was was a glorified raw
Posted By: cenafan (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Hogan winning the title over Yokozuna is my favorite Wresltemania moment of all time.
Posted By: Guest#8994 (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I love Hulk Hogan so I'm biased- at least there's a nostalgia factor working with IX- Heenan, Tatanka, Hogan and Hart-
Wrestlemania 13 outside of Austin/Hart is nothing but Billy Gunn, Psycho Sid and the Headbangers. I will never have fond memories of the Headbangers, no matter how ironic and kitsch they may become.
Posted By: Gary (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM
The ending for WMIX ruled. I'll stand by that til this day.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
a great idea by vince at the time. don't care what anyone says. didnt work out well, but it was a tremendous idea. Hogan is God, and all should fall before him on command.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Bret not smart enough to duck, but Hogan is? Insulting to Bret and terrible booking. It was around this time I really started to see what Hogan was all about.
Posted By: Guest#6687 (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Wrestlemania X-7 was considered one the WORST of all time? Hopefully that's a typo!
Posted By: Ari Berenstein (Registered) on March 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Ah my bad...I wasn't reading properly. Boo me!
Posted By: Ari Berenstein (Registered) on March 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
WM IX was a pretty horrible show from top to bottom, although I enjoyed the IC and Steiners/Headshrinkers matchup. However, the main event booking ranks as the worst ever.
Still, I'd like to offer up WMXV as a serious competitor for the worst WM of all time. Russo was at the height of his powers, and this show featured the lamest HITC of all time, the New Age outlaws switching places in the IC & Hardcore title hunt (for no real reason), Butterbean almost killing Bart Gunn for JR's amusement, and Chyna turning twice on the same card. The only reason why this wouldn't be considered the worst of all time was a solid Rock/Austin main event (which was well below what they were able) and a surprisingly good Xpac/SHane McMahon match which featured HHH's heel turn that propelled his main 99 main event run.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Tatanka's finisher was a samoan drop (don't remember the exact name, Heenana called it "papoose to go"), not a fallaway slam.
Posted By: Guest#1316 (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 01:06 PM
Luger had potential as an arrogant bully heel, as Hogan Lite he sucked ass. JR would probably tell you that Tatanka's finisher was called "papoose something", he actually believed Heenan about the "flying jelopinia" etc
Posted By: Guest#5242 (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 01:16 PM
WrestleMania XIX one of the worst WMs? I thought it was commonly viewed as one of the best? Aside from the Y2J/HBK match you mentioned, Lesnar/Angle was turning into a very good match before Lesnar bothced the SSP (and even that's worth watching!). Booker/HHH is acceptable barring the age taken between pedigree and pin; Hogan/McMahon was better than expected, and the Rock/Austin match was also very good!
Posted By: Woody (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 02:42 PM
WM XIX most certantly did NOT suck, and was WAY more than just HBK-Jericho. It was the only gleeming piece good in an otherwise pathetic 2003 for the E.Angle-Lesnar was awesome (and nothing of value was harmed) the best ladies' match in WM history.
Posted By: SMYK (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 03:18 PM
I don't know where my Pro-XIX comment went, but I agree 100% with woody, and also, Beefcake had a match with Diebase to set up the aforementioned beatdown, no interview!Also, Scotty was doing the frankenstiener all the time at that point, it wasn't until the bicep injury in '96 that he stopped using it often and the Stienerdog and top rope DDT became more of primary finish for them.
Posted By: SMYK (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 03:43 PM
My bad, I'm impatient. I had nothing else to add so........screw yo basketball, NHL rules go Sharks.
Posted By: SMYK (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 03:54 PM
I have to agree with other poster who is pro-Wrestemania XIX. Weyer must be on crazy pills to call it a poor mania. By stating that, his credibility goes right out the window. From HBK/Y2J all the way through the end of the night, that mania was either 2.75 stars or higher. The lowest would be the HHH Booker T match (at 2.75). I would put HBK's the highest followed by Angle/Lesnar. Stone Cold/Rock and Hogan/McMahon are tied around 3.25 stars. So, on this topic, Weyer is wrong Wrong WRONG!!!!
Posted By: Drew (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 04:31 PM
WM 9 was the first PPV we ever ordered. I'm surprised I was still a wrestling fan after it. When Hogan winning the title again is the best thing there, you know the event sucks. Can't believe they're showing it right now on WWE 24/7.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Well, in contrast to some other Manias, XIX was a bit poor. Yes, Michaels/Jericho, Brock/Angle but also had Undertaker vs Big Show/Albert and HHH ending up on top with Booker. Was just illustrating how some Manias still seem better than they look while IX does not.
Yes, seeing Hogan on top did seem cool at the time but as I said, having him do this after all the work Bret did as champion was an insult.
Posted By: Michael Weyer (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 08:49 PM
Tatanka's finisher was called "The end of the trail"
Posted By: Guest#4467 (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Weyer, you must be A) high or B) drunk to be considering WM 19 as one of the worst. Angle vs. Lesnar, Michaels vs. Jericho, Rock vs. Stone Cold, the tag team title triple threat, and the McMahon/Hogan street fight. I bet the entire world marked out when Piper showed up, I sure did.
Posted By: William (Guest) on March 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Come on 411 audience. Rise up against Weyer on this issue! The only Wrestlemanias that are CLEARLY better than Wrestlemania XIX are III, X-7 and XX. Outside of those, there are others that can be argued, but XIX has got to be in the top 5. And if anyone tells me that X was better, I will puke on my keyboard. Granted their were two great matches, but the overall flow is very, very overrated. So Weyer, put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it!!!! Let the 411 revolution begin!!!!!!
Posted By: Drew (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 01:38 AM
i'm sure JR was used to calling the Steiners in their prime all the time.. WCW and all
Posted By: Guest#9231 (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 03:14 AM
I can't believe u called Mania XIX one of the poor Manias. Not only did it have the 5 MEs, but it also had the underrated triple threat tag match, Hardy/Mysterio, and Trish/Jazz/Victoria. The only sub-par match in my opinion was the handicap match. Everything was pretty good.
Posted By: Bobby (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 04:17 AM
I personally think WM XI (the pictured maina on the main page - defect) was the worst. Outside of a great but unsatisfying HBK/Diesel match, it was celeb celeb celeb. The main event was great sure, but how pissed would be all be now if Mayweather went last on the card, regardless of how good he might be?
Posted By: ColeAndTazz (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM
This show is pretty bad but WMIV is far worse. It doesn't have a match like Michels/Tatanka to relieve some of the suck. And it's like 27 matches on one show or something.
Posted By: Guest#7320 (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 02:32 PM
By far the worst Wrestlemania was 13. The only good match was Hart vs. Austin and in order to have a good Wrestlemania, you have to have more then one good match.
Posted By: Stephen (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 02:39 PM
So many arrogant internet writers. Why don't they get a mind of their own? I've read various opinion-based articles of this Wrestlemania. I swear, they all say the same thing. You know why? It's because one writer didn't like it, so that meant another writer couldn't like it, and before you know it, all of the pea-brained wrestling writers with the IQ of a pug don't like it.
Say something oringinal, sir Weyer. Get your head out of your posterior.
This Wrestlemania wasn't bad at all. It was different, it was unique, and it was intended to be a fun show. If WWE shows are supposed to "put smiles on people's faces", Wrestlemania IX did it's job.
Posted By: Guest#7337 (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 04:18 PM
The guy "retires" for a year and then comes back and wins the title that was horrible not memorable and was part of the crappy year of 93 and got bret hart out of the main event picture which was a bad move.
Posted By: Hogans win was lame (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 07:36 PM
Wrestlemania 9 only stands to show that the then WWF was in dire need of changing of the guard. They were in a transitional period where their 80's stars were being phased out for the "new generation"
It's a shame that Bret Hart was robbed at the end because Vince didn't have faith in him.
Posted By: timmy (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 08:43 PM
It has been said a few times that the WMIX ending was a slap in the face of Bret. I agree with it. And it also has been stated that Bret´s win at WMX was some sort of apology from Vince to Bret for not trusting him to go with the title. I remember looking at the WWF magazine at the time and I was wondering what that teased Bret/Hogan match was all about. It never happened of course. That alone should tell how much of an egomanic asshole Hogan was. Imagine Hogan dropping the title to Hart. It would have meant so much to Bret and the WWF. So you want to tell me how great Hogan´s win over Yoko was? Hogan left the federation like 2 months later? I can understand it though, cause Thunder In Paradise was SUCH a GREAT SUCCESS. What an idiot. The title win over Yoko meant absolutely nothing, besides making Bret look like an idiot. Good job. Good thing that everyone with half a brain knows that Bret was way better than Hogan, maybe not in terms of draw rate but in terms of reliability.
Posted By: a casual 411 reader. (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 11:16 PM
You guys are all a bunch of whiny bitches. How dare someone have their own opinion about what WrestleMania is better or worse than another.
Posted By: Steve307 (Guest) on March 22, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Hey Steve 307. Suck on it. There is a difference between having an opinion and just being totally off base about Wrestlemania XIX. Weyer was wrong and needed to be called on it. Stop being devil's advocate on the comment page. Once again, suck on it whiny bitch.
Posted By: Drew (Guest) on March 23, 2008 at 12:51 AM
McMahon had every right to be skeptical of Bret Hart. With the departure of Flair and Warrior, along with Savage stepping out of the ring, McMahon's head was spinning in a hundred different directions. Hogan was their most successful star, and McMahon couldn't help but beckon to the glory days of the 80s when Hogan carried WWE.
Did he have any star that was certain to succeed Hogan with similar results? No. He had to look at his crop of stars and take a chance. He had to choose between Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, Mr. Perfect, The Undertaker, and Lex Luger. In 1993, none of those men even compared to Hogan in stature or charisma. It must have been a scary time for McMahon.
So when Hogan returned and wanted to reign as champion, how could it not be tempting for McMahon? Hogan was the only PROVEN main eventer.
I mean, come on! With Hogan gone, McMahon put the strap on Yokozuna for 9 months. Of all the guys, he picked Yoko-fricken-Zuna! When Yoko is your top pick, you must have had a roster in 93' that was thin on main event talent.
Fortunately, McMahon was able to eventually turn the page and have confidence in the Hitman. And deservedly so, because Bret hart is the greatest performer in WWE history.
Posted By: Guest#8776 (Guest) on March 23, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I thought WM22 was much better then last years I don't get the hate for that show. I agree about WM19 I thought I had read it wrong when I first saw that listed as bad the undercard was solid and the main matches were very good I wouldn't call that a poor WM.
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on March 23, 2008 at 03:00 PM
God forbid someone have an opinion here, all the smarks will conform you to their own.
However, I disagree that Wrestlemania XIX was underwhelming. It was fairly solid in my opinion, but being a fairly new fan (only been watching about 10 years), Other 'great Wrestlemanias like III completely underwhelm me.
Each to their own, I guess.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on March 24, 2008 at 01:02 PM
I think people who hate wm 9 so much are fans who didn't see the event at the time and are viewing years later with hindsight.
As a long term fan (since 1990) hogan winning the title was a "wrestlemanania moment" before they were even called that. me and my friends were jumping for joy when hogan pinned yoko.
I'm not saying wm9 is the best far from it but i'd say it's better than wm 2, wm 4 and wm 11.
Posted By: Vince McFAN (Guest) on March 24, 2008 at 06:02 PM
I pretty much agree with your opinion of this WM. However you destroy your own credibility by listing WM 19 as one of the worst of all time. WM is such an awesome show. Would you rather watch WM 2?! Or 11?! Or 4?! (which I've always liked but I understand why people hate it).
It is some times Better to not speak and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Posted By: Eddie Chicago (Guest) on March 26, 2008 at 01:16 AM