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Ask 411 Wrestling 03.26.08: Chains, Crack References, Beer Bashes and More!
Posted by Steve Cook on 03.26.2008



It's time to Ask 411 Wrestling! I'm the Kentucky Gentleman Steve Cook, and I hope you're having a sweet week. You know who's not having a sweet week…Good ol' JR & his Oklahoma Sooners, who got destroyed by my Louisville Cardinals in the NCAA Tournament this weekend. Hey JR…BOOMER THIS, BITCH~! MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ahem.

Next comes the Sweet 16 and a date with the Tennessee Volunteers. Penguin & I agree that Tennessee has stretches where they look dominant, but they follow them up with stretches where they look dormant. It should be a very good game and that's how I'll be spending my Thursday night. How dare Impact book a live show against my Cards…after all I've done for them this is the thanks I get? Boourns!

Comments, Corrections & Other "C" Words

Unfortunately I couldn't put stuff from the comment section in this week's column because my computer's feud with 411 continued through the week. Hopefully next week I can use some of that stuff.

I just wanted to comment on the "wrestlers appearing in the ring" thing. When I was in attendance at One Night Stand 1 (6.18.2004) Sabu ran down the entrance ramp - half the crowd saw him. As soon as the lights went out, everyone knew what was coming, so it was not that big of a deal that people saw him.Chris

I seem to remember it being reported that a lot of the workers, with Stone Cold being one of them, were bitching about how much the Liontamer-style Walls of Jericho hurt, which resulted in management forcing him to do it like the Boston Crab. As I went through school, me and the buddies used to spend our recess trying various submission moves on each other (cause we were awesome like that), and I have to agree, for the Liontamer to look good it has to hurt like a motherfucker. That might have been the most pain I have ever been in in my entire life. I assume that's the reason he doesn't do it anymore, cause if Austin wants you to stop doing something, you stop doing it.J

When I read the question about a wrestler's phone number being used on tv, I thought of another incident. During a video for the divas, or diva search, or one of the divas, a phone number was posted for one of them. Not a call to vote number, but her supposed home or cell phone number. I believe the diva was Ashley. It was likely an episode of RAW which took place in Pittsburgh a few years ago. I remember seeing it on the titantron, not sure if would have actually been on television. I was frantically trying to program it into my phone when it appeared on the screen. By the time I tried to call, it was disconnected. Although it could be that I didn't actually have the right number. Maybe somebody else remembers this and tried calling the number.Jason

The incident you are remembering involved Ashley Massaro giving her phone number out during a diva search competition. I never called it, but maybe somebody else did.

Hi, you had a question about which wrestlers never went back to Puerto Rico after the murder. Ric Flair said in his book, that him and the road warriors never went back out of respect for Brody.Fred

Hey Cook, I figured I'd write in to expand a little on the Lawler and Flair ordeal. Oddly enough, I just finished Flair's book and started on Lawler's, after having picked both up cheap at a local used bookstore. Anyway, from Flair's book he said he never cared much for wrestling in Memphis due to the fact that Nick Gulas was a cheapskate and stiffed wrestlers. Which if you listen to a lot of talent who wrestled in Memphis, you'll hear the same... Austin was vocal about it to Jeff Jarrett (as eventually Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler broke off from Gulas and formed their own promotion, splitting the territory with Gulas for a while). All of this apparently happened in a very tight time frame, Flair mentioned that during this time, the NWA would meet once a year where promoters would bid for the champion to show up with most having to wait two years until the scheduling could be arranged. Factor in that Gulas obviously didn't want to shell out much money during his time. The CWA (The Jerry-s fed) formed in the "latter half of the 70's" according to wikipedia and switched championship recognition from the NWA to the AWA in '78. That didn't give them a lot of time to try to... pardon the pun, "woo" Flair back to Memphis. Oh, and Gulas's promotion stayed open until 1980, so you're talking about half of a territory, basically.

Now as you mentioned about Lawler wanting the NWA title... Lawler states in his book he wasn't looking for a long reign with the belt. He simply wanted to win the title and lose it again in a week or so. The NWA wouldn't go for that, so he split. Granted, autobiographies are obviously one side of a story and aren't always factual, but Lawler has mention several times that he was never a big fan of traveling... and I haven't even finished the book yet.

I'm sure this is probably too much information.
Jimmy

Indeed you are sir. THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN TED DIBIASE HIMSELF! I use caps because that song is quite possibly the greatest entry theme in the history of wrestling. Show me one fan who can't hum the melody (complete with the casio keyboard BAMP! note in the middle) or remember exactly what Dibiase says before his first chorus consisting enitrely of maniacal laughter. GYAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.

Money money money money moneeeeeeheeeeeeeeee!
411's Damian Sarcuni

Can you really call that singing though? There's a difference between singing and talking to music, though you wouldn't know it from listening to a William Shatner album.

Hey man hows it goin. You said that Austin and dude love at unforgiven was given a cheer when austin got dq'd for hitting vince with the chair. Austin never got dq'd for that. He pinned dude love and counted himself the 123 and won that match.Josh

Austin did officially get disqualified, even though everybody involved ignored it. You are thinking of the Austin/Love rematch at Over The Edge the month after Unforgiven, where Vince was serving as the referee…after an inadvertent Dude Love chair shot knocked him out, Austin stunned the Dude and used Vince's hand to count the 1-2-3.

Questions!

Chris R.
starts us off with three questions…

1. When i was reading up ECW on wikipedia as part of the WWE, they were trying to diffrentiate ECW from Smackdown and RAW with the way the stage was presented and how the camera's were placed. but now with everything all HD up they made ECW look like every other brand. having the same stage design and the camera angle's in the same position as the rest of the shows. wouldn't this lessen the originality of the brand from Raw and Smackdown?

I don't think WWE is too concerned with differentiating ECW from Raw & Smackdown at this point. They gave up on that when they started the talent-exchange business with ECW & Smackdown, and quite honestly I don't blame them for it at all. I don't think a different entrance would be enough to make ECW stand out anyway, so what's the point?

2. with CM punk as ECW's main eventer (well, as close to one the brand will get.)do you think he is one of the main reasons why ECW is still holding it self up ratings wise? if not what do you think is?

He'd have to be, considering that he's been one of the focal points of the ECW television show for the past several months. I can't say that I agree with the tone of your question because ECW isn't really "holding itself up" all that well…an average rating in recent weeks below 1.5 isn't anything to write home about. I guess it depends on how low your expectations are set.

3. Do you think WWE could of ran the Invasion debacle back in 2001 much better then we would have gotten? you think they didn't have enough famous WCW or ECW names to be involved in the angle. or could it have also been due to Benoit(ya, i brought him up) and HHH being injured duing that time period?

A team of trained monkeys could have ran a better WCW/ECW invasion angle than the one we got from the WWF creative team. The lack of top-flight WCW talent was definitely a factor…the biggest WCW names they had on board during the Invasion were Booker T & Diamond Dallas Page. I like them both, but they're usually not among the first two or three names that come to mind when you think "WCW". Look no further than the big WWF vs. Alliance elimination match at Survivor Series 2001…you've got WCW star Booker T & ECW star Rob Van Dam, but they're the only ones that could have been thought of as non-WWF guys at that point. They were joined by Steve Austin, who had WCW & ECW experience but became a superstar in the WWF, Kurt Angle, who had never been in WCW and only attended one ECW show that didn't go very well, and Shane McMahon.

Which leads to another factor that led to the downfall of the Invasion…too many McMahons. Fans were burnt out on the feuding family and had no desire to see them continue their wacky ways. The WCW & ECW names were put on the backburner so we could focus on Shane & Stephanie fighting against their parents, which nobody cared about. Vince thought that people would care more about his family fighting each other than WCW or ECW trying to gain dominance of the wrestling world…and he couldn't have been more wrong.

As for your point about injuries, I don't think Triple H or Chris Benoit could have done anything to save the angle the way that it was booked. In a way, they were lucky to be out of the picture at that point in time so it didn't reflect badly on them.

Tom has two rather long questions…

Long time reader first time submitter etc. You've heard all that before so instead I'll claim to be the only person ever to submit a question whilst being mobbed by a pair of budgies who want to be put to bed.

Anyway, I've got two questions that came to me on the back of last weeks column in which a reader asked about the WWE tag team division.

Besides the most recent WWE PPV's have there been any other PPV's or indeed big cards that did not contain a tag match? I've gone back through several years of WWE shows as well as my own collection that dates to the early 80's and haven't been able to find one and yet it's a very real possibility that this years wrestlemania will run four hours without a single tag match (unless Shane teams with Big Show against Maywether and another).


Hey now, this year's WrestleMania will have a tag team match. Sure, the tag team match consists of Maria & Ashley vs. Beth Phoenix & Melina, but that still counts for something…right?

Anyway, here's the list of WWE PPVs with no tag team matches! For the sake of my sanity I'm going to put handicap matches in the same category as tag team matches because there's usually at least one tag team involved.

Royal Rumble 2005, 2006 (2008 had a dark match)
King of the Ring 2002 had a tag team match on the pre-show but none on the actual PPV
Summerslam 2005 (2007 had a dark match)
In Your House 6 had a non-televised tag team match
In Your House 8 had a Free For All tag team match
Backlash 2006 had one tag team match, but one of the combatants was God. So if you are a non-believer you can put that show on the list.
No Way Out 2008
Vengeance 2005 had a Sunday Night Heat tag team match
Great American Bash 2007
New Year's Revolution 2006
Cyber Sunday 2007 had a dark match

My second question kind of ties into the previous one because when I was going back through the old cards I noticed that cards were set up very differently to today.

The card would start with a hot match, normally a tag match but not for the title, involving guys who worked at pace and could move. This got the crowd into the action and from there the card would build with the matches becoming more important as the night went on finally ending with the top singles or tag belts being defended in the main event.

This pattern seemed to follow through till the late ninties when every ppv in the WWE had Val Venus opening the card because they new he could pop a crowd with that intro he'd always do. They'd then have the Godfather do his thing, put any womens match in the middle and build to the finish finish with the title match as the last match (except the rumble of course). Hell even the famous Foley/Undertaker Hell in a Cell was followed by a forgetable Austin/Kane title match in which I think the belt changed hands.

Now WWE wants to split it's cards, often putting a womens match before the main event and having any co main event further down the card. When did this psycology change and what is the thinking behind it? When you see a band they will start with something to get you going then have the slow stuff in the middle before firing up again and building to their hit as the closer so why does the WWE think they need to cool fans down going into the match that should be selling the PPV anyway?

Anyway that all went a lot longer then I intended (bit like an Orton match) so if you want to cut it or anything please go ahead.


When I'm watching the PPV at home, I appreciate the popcorn match just before the main event so I can get some food or go to the bathroom or whatever I need to do before the big match starts. From that perspective, I don't think it's a bad idea. And it's not like this is a new way to do things…look back at WrestleMania III and you'll see that Steamboat vs. Savage was not booked in the semi-main event. There were two matches between that match and Hulk vs. Andre, and nobody would tell you that Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff vs. The Killer Bees was a strong selling point for the show, but there it is in the semi-main event position. So this is not a new theory by any means. It works very well for people like me that have short attention spans. And judging from some of the comments in this column every week, I would suggest that a lot of you are in the same boat with me.

Brandon has five questions…

1. I have seen over the years a lot of wrestlers be REALLY over with the crowd, like Roddy Piper, D'Lo Brown, Ken Shamrock, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, and even now, guys like Mr. Kennedy and Jeff Hardy. Almost all these guys have either never held the WWE Championship, or they didn't get to hold it until their fanbase and the excitement the crowd got when they came to the ring really seemed to die down (especially in RVD's case). My question is why does the WWE never capitalize on who is really over and give them their chance at the title? Hell, Stone Cold was really getting a reaction from the crowd for a year and a half before he finally won the WWE title for the first time. I understand some of my examples may not be perfect on the mic or are still rusty in the ring, but for some of those examples like Roddy Piper, Booker T, and even Mr. Kennedy who seemed/seem ready, why not just really capitalize on the crowd's response to certain wrestlers?

The recent struggles of Jeff Hardy have illustrated why WWE doesn't take a chance and push somebody right to the title just because they suddenly caught fire with the crowd. If they had gone ahead and put the title on Hardy at the Royal Rumble like so many people were clamoring for them to do, they would have had to take it off of him very quickly and totally change their WrestleMania main event plans just a couple of weeks before the show because their champion failed a Wellness test and got suspended. Could you imagine how embarrassing that would have been for WWE, going into their biggest show of the year? That's a major part of why they don't act too quick on these things, they need to be sure that they can trust these guys to carry the ball. Kennedy will get his chance once they're 100% sure that he can handle the pressures that go with being top dog. You need to see that these guys are not just flashes in the pan before you push them all the way.

In Piper's case, he didn't need the title to stay over and things were just fine with Hogan as champion, so why mess with it?

2. I remember reading somewhere, Test was talking about his time with WWE and he had mentioned how he made about $75,000 a year, but about $70,000 went to traveling expenses and stuff like that. Was he exaggerating, or is that really how it is, or at least was back then? And if that's how it was, why even bother becoming a wrestler? I mean that's only $5000 you make a year and you just can't live off that.

Traveling isn't cheap, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was accurate on that. Of course, it's possible that Test just likes to spend a lot of money on the road and doesn't believe in saving it. I would like to hear from Mick Foley how much money he spent on traveling expenses, because he is widely considered as one of the cheapest men in the wrestling business. As for why you would become a wrestler if that's all you can make…love for the business is the only thing I can think of. Or the lack of desire to get a "real" job.

3. This is kind of asking for your opinion really, I've read about how WWE just doesn't seem to have much time on Raw or Smackdown to show all their talent (even though I thought that's what the brand extension was truly for) and to make all the titles really seem to mean something. Why hasn't the WWE tried fixing this? Why not like make each brand have a World title and their IC/U.S. title, but then have Raw only have the women's title while Smackdown has the tag titles? In my opinion, Tag Team Wrestling was possibly the most exciting thing about WWE back in the day, especially in 2000 and 2001 with the exciting matches like TLC. Both brands have about 4 teams each, while I remember back in around 1999, WWE had about 12 teams all together, so it's not like there are too many teams. They could really focus on the tag teams and tag team championship on Smackdown if they did that I would think. I would love to see something like at Wrestlemania for the WWE Tag Team Championship: Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch vs. Paul London and Brian Kendrick.

I have gotten more questions than I care to remember about the lack of tag team wrestling in WWE and about how their secondary titles don't mean anything. Tag team wrestling has never been the focal point of WWE because they see more money in pushing guys on their own. Even if a team does get over in this day and age, that just means that it's time to split them up and make singles stars out of them. I'm not saying it's right, that's just the way it is. WWE isn't going to flip flop titles and only have one tag team title because they don't give a hoot.

4. I remember back at Judgment Day 2001, Kane defeated HHH for the IC title in a chain match. I thought it was a great match, especially thanks to who won. But I don't think they've done a chain match since then. Whatever happened to that match?

Brock Lesnar & Undertaker had a Biker Chain Match at No Mercy 2003, and from what I remember of it, it was very good. Gene Snitsky beat Kane in a chain match at Taboo Tuesday 2004, which was not so good. That is the last chain match I can find record of WWE doing. You know who would be perfect for a chain match? John Cena. Think about it, he's got the whole Chain Gang gimmick and he doesn't really have a specialty match that he can call himself the master of. You can get some good buyrates with Cena doing chain matches with villains that have done him wrong time and time again. Why haven't they thought of this?

5. Last question, and it's again asking for your opinion, but it really does seem WWE has too much talent to handle at once. If you could choose, who on the roster would you fire in order to create more room for everyone on TV? Whether it be they just suck in the ring or they aren't learning quick enough or whatever.

Allow me to preface this by saying that I don't like the idea of wrestlers losing their jobs. But if you're insistent that certain people need more TV time and there's too many people around, here are the people I don't see much use for at this point.

Raw:
Ashley
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
The Highlanders
Snitsky
Super Crazy
Val Venis

Smackdown:
Deuce & Domino
Hornswoggle
Mark Henry
The Great Khali
At least half the divas on the show

ECW:
Kevin Thorn
Mike Knox

I think most of those go without an explanation because they're either useless or washed up. The Smackdown Divas are completely interchangeable and I think you could get rid of a few of them and nobody would notice. Venis would be an unpopular choice with most of the IWC, but let's face it, he's not doing anything there anyway. Why bother keeping him around?

To be perfectly honest though, I disagree with your take that there are too many people on the rosters. Penguin made the point that it's not the number of people on the rosters, it's how the talent is used on television.

I was looking at the line-up for the Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin DVD and found (as far as I can see) no extras concerning his memorable beer bashes, in particular those involving Lilian Garcia. I would like to know why WWE left them out, and whether they might release any footage in the future. – Francis

I think I know why you want to see those Lilian beer bashes……..pervert! I haven't seen the DVD yet so I'm not aware of any possible extras or beer bashes included on it. Somebody who has seen it can probably let you know. As for why they may have been left off, you can only have so much stuff on a DVD and beer bashes probably weren't high on their list of priorities.

I noticed that Homicide has some tape on I believe is his right shoulder.
Is this esthetic? An injury cause there doesn't look like there is to much
support there? or an obsence tatoo? – Adam


Homicide suffered a shoulder injury back in December 2005 in a match against Steve Corino. He has said that he will eventually need surgery on it, but has been working through it ever since.

I've been watching the AWA on ESPN Classic and was wondering if you
could give some info on Silo Sam and Mr. Go. – Hawk


Silo Sam is none other than John Harris, a man who's career has been discussed at length in this column the last couple of weeks. Mr. Go later became known as Ninja Go and formed a ninja-riffic tag team with Super Ninja. He was originally played by Ryuma Go, a wrestler of some repute in Japan, but once Go left, jobber Steve Olsonoski took the role over.

Joel has three questions…

1- We all know that wrestlers (usually) try to protect one another when they take bumps and such... but other than the big high flying, dare devil stuff that we see from time to time - are there any everyday moves or finishers used today that wrestlers just accept that is going to hurt when they receive it?

All of them.

Seriously though, wrestlers enter the ring knowing that they're going to feel quite a bit of pain. As my friend JR likes to say, it ain't ballet. You could theoretically get injured doing a hip toss or an arm drag if you take the bump the wrong way. Most wrestlers' finishing moves will have their opponent land hard on something. You just gotta man up and take your medicine. I think the fact that wrestling is pre-determined makes some people believe that nothing that happens in a wrestling ring hurts, which couldn't be further from the truth. Go take a back bump ten times and tell me it doesn't hurt.

2- Who in your opinion is/was the best at making their offence or attacks on an other wrestler look real?

I always thought Vader's offense looked real. His opponents will tell you that's because he worked really stiff. Bret Hart's stuff always looked good, which is especially impressive when you consider that he never injured anybody.

3- Who in your opinion is/was the best at selling their asses being served to them? (I'm guessing HBK would be one here...)

HBK is definitely up there. Watching some of his mid-90s matches on his DVD, you can see why he needed to take some time off. My other favorite seller of all time is none other than "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig. Hennig just took a classic ass whipping. Take a pick between one of those two. And if you haven't seen some Mr. Perfect matches from the early 90s, you're really missing out. Dude bumped like a madman.

Hey Steve, I read your column all of the time. I don't know if you've ever recieved this question, but I was wondering what does, "Do you smell what The Rock is cookin'?" mean. When it first came out my mom told me it had something to do with crack, but I knew the WWF wouldn't let someone use a catch phrase that had to do with crack. I looked all over the net, and I can't quite figure out what it means. Is it just one of those things The Rock said off the cuff and it stuck even though it had no real meaning? – Brach McRae

"Smell what I'm cookin'?" is a cool way of saying "Know what I'm saying?". It's not a crack reference.

J Raw has three questions…

1. Ive always seen Mrs Elizabeth as too good for the wrestling business, she just seemed so innocent, she never blatantly showed off her body like all the divas of today. Anywho, my questions regarding her are, Is there any information on how she got into the wrestling business? Was her very 1st appearance in the WWE with Macho? Was there anything between Macho and Liz in the real world, otherwise how were they put together,he doesnt seem like the type she would associate with.I guess generally I would just like some info on how she arrived in the WWE.

Elizabeth met Randy Savage while Savage was working for his father's ICW promotion based in Lexington, Kentucky…apparently she worked for the promotion in some capacity as well. They were married in 1984, and she followed Savage to the WWF. Many people have said that she was too good for the wrestling business, and who am I to argue?

2. Who invented, or at least was the furthest back in known pro wrestling to perform these two moves 1. the Bosten Crab and2. the Camel Clutch.

I couldn't find record of who invented the Boston Crab, but the oldest wrestler to use it that I could find was Pedro Morales. The Camel Clutch was invented by Gory Guerrero, patriarch of the Guerrero wrestling family. This led to some hilarity when Muhammad Hassan told Eddie Guerrero to stop using the hold in his matches because it was his finisher. Hassan's gripe was that the camel clutch was his finishing hold and Eddie shouldn't use it. He was told by other people backstage that Eddie's father invented the move, so stfu.

3. Who were all of the names ever in the faction Money inc.? And which held titles while in this great stable ?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Everybodys' got a price! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Jeez, what's with all the manical laughter this week? You all must be excited for some Wrestlemania!

Money Inc. was not a faction, but was the tag team of Ted DiBase & Irwin R. Schyster. They won the WWF Tag Team titles on three separate occasions during their run in 1992-1993. I reckon that the faction you are thinking of is the Million Dollar Corporation, which lasted from 1994-1996 and was managed by DiBase. IRS was part of the group, along with Nikolai Volkoff, the Underfaker, Tatanka, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, Kama, Sid, 1-2-3 Kid, Xanta Klaus & the Ringmaster. The MDC was not very successful when it came to winning titles, as a matter of fact I couldn't find record of them winning any.

Despite your obvious bias against the greatest wrestler of all time, the Macho Man Randy Savage, I had to ask you a question that I think the entire world wants to know the answer to. At No Way Out, Floyd "Money" Mayweather broke the Big Show's nose. Do you think it's possible that perhaps, at Wrestlemania, he will break his jaw? Also, do you think the Macho Man will ever get inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame? – Jude Terror

Anything's possible…except Macho Man getting inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Muwhahahahahahahahaha.

TheMidnightPunk has two questions…

back when Cena was a rapper, did he come up with his own stuff, or was he just memorizing words off a paper?

Cena has claimed that he came up with his own stuff, and I haven't seen anybody argue otherwise.

when Vince dies, is Shane or Steph taking over?

It'll be a combination of the two. I figure that Shane will oversee most of the behind the scenes stuff while Stephanie will have even more power over what you see on television. Paul Heyman has a theory that Vince plans on running WWE well into his 90s and then will pass it on to Shane's kids, much like how the Queen of England is trying to live forever so Prince Charles doesn't become King. Personally I don't think it's so much that he doesn't want Shane or Stephanie to run WWE as it is that he thinks he will live forever.

my name is Jason and i have a question. when Goldberg was the United States Champion back in WCW diring his Undefeated Streak hes was Scheduled to have A Gauntlet match against Ravens entriee Flock at Slamboree 1998. but when the PPV came Saturn did a briek backstage segment saying there would be no Gantlet match it would just be him vs Goldberg for the U.S. Title. how come WCW decided NOT to have the Gauntlet match and just have Goldberg vs Saturn 1 on 1? – Jason

I think their motivation behind that was an attempt to push Saturn as being something special within the Flock. Which they managed to accomplish even though he ended up losing to Goldberg just like everybody else did at that point. Saturn eventually got to break out on his own and had enough success so the WWF ended up signing him along with Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko and some people actually thought Saturn had the most potential out of the group. Yeah, I know…craziness.

Ro Ro has three questions…

1. Why did Kane only get one day title reign and never got another run with it and why does he job to more people than Undertaker?

Now, this is a fair question. I'm not a big Kane fan, but it does seem suspicious that he would only get a one-day reign as a world champion and never get another chance with it. I guess WWE Creative feels that he doesn't need a title to be over, which I tend to agree with. He's more effective in a role as a challenger once in a blue moon, when the announcers speculate "How can *insert name here* beat Kane?". And, of course, *insert name here* always manages to win somehow. Go figure.

2.I'm a big fan of MVP and I can see him being the next rock and world heavyweight champ, but my problem is his finisher.It sucks in my opinion.What do you think would be a better finisher for him that he could do to anyone?

Actually, I have to disagree with you because I like his finisher. The only problem with it is that he never gets to use it on anybody because he's booked like a chickenshit heel that has to cheat to win. If it makes you feel better, Larry Csonka agrees with you. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I actually like the move.

3.My final question is about Finlay.I hate the guy even more the leprechaun.Anyways why do they make Finlay seem so tough when all he does its beats people with a stick?

There are so many things wrong with this question that I don't know where to begin. Finlay is considered one of the legitimate tough guys within the business, a man you just don't want to mess with. He's a fighter, that's for sure. As for why he beats people with a shillelagh, he's an Irish stereotype. What do you expect?

Manu Bumb closes things up this week with two questions…

when stan hansen no-showed and nick bockwinkle was awarded the title in the AWA, was there a reason stan didnt show up? or just storyline?

Hansen did not want to drop the title because Giant Baba didn't want him to do it, and he was loyal to Baba & All Japan Pro Wrestling over the AWA. Baba had apparently booked Hansen to defend the AWA title against several challengers on All Japan shows, and that was enough for Hansen to refuse to lose to Bockwinkel. This of course led to a notable incident where Hansen ran over the AWA title belt with his pickup truck and then mailed it back to AWA officials. Hansen later regretted the way he handled the situation, but it was memorable nonetheless.

why did tommy dreamer and brian delaney get an extremes rule rematch this week when it was in fact THEM that not only brought weapons into the ring last week, but used them as well? that makes no wrestling sense whatsoever. by wrestling logic, M&M shouldve been the ones to use weapons and getting dq'd, giving D&D reason for a rematch this week, a no dq rematch. you dont reward cheaters by giving them a rematch and making it easier for them to win. M&M did nothing wrong. they won the match fair and square.

retarded.

i blame duthty!


I don't have a good explanation for that. If the ECW authority figure was a babyface, it would make sense because babyfaces tend to make rulings that favor other babyfaces. I assume that Arrrrrrrrmando Alejandrrrrrrrrrrro Estrrrrrrrrrrada is still a heel, so I'm not sure what he was thinking on that one.

Well, that's all we have time for this week. Send any questions, thoughts, concerns, corrections or porn to scook411@hotmail.com, or just comment down in the comment section. I can't promise my computer will let me read them all, but I shall try my best. Until next time, boooooooooooohica!


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My take on why there is no tag team division in the WWE anymore is time. Also
there are no teams with the chemestry as D-X, The Hart Foundation, The Road
Warriors, The Freebirds, The Minnesota Wrecking Crew, The Rock -N- Roll Express
and The Midnight Express. 

WWE has dropped match times so they can have more storylines. I remember when
WWF would have 20-30 minute matches, NWA, WCW and Crockett would have 60 minute
matches. They are cutting match times down big time. What kind of believable tag
match can you have in 5 minutes?
 
Look at Wrestlemania. WM needs to be for the best rivalries. But they have 5
minute matches there now. How many years now have there been triple threats for
the title? Cena got his shot and chose to take an early out and lost that is his
tough luck. 

Also about Goldberg. He actually lost his first match in WCW. Piper ran a
gauntlet on Nitro against anyone in the back. They sent out people in the power
Plant. Bill Goldberg came out and was knocked out by Piper in less than 30
seconds. That has been a peeve of mine with his undefeated streak.

Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM

 
 
Wrestlemania 8 had the World Title (Savage v. Flair) right smack in the MIDDLE
of the card, and finished with Hogan v. Sid "Justice" Vicious.  In
the "semi-main" slot was Owen Hart v. Skinner.  SKINNER!  Well, what
can you do.  At least I got to see Undertaker v. Jake -- that one was awesome.

/I rambled

Posted By: davemassive (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM

 
 
Hacksaw is an awesome veteran who helps build up the rookies!! Please don't fall
into that "we hate wrestlers over forty years old" camp that
constantly ruins the IWC.

Posted By: Guest#0328 (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 02:35 PM

 
 
Of course Jude Terror has to bring up the Macho Man.

I have to give my two cents on bumps. No matter how safe it looks, how
pre-scripted it is, the shit hurts. Even a clothesline can hurt. Especially
with stiff workers.

Finlay is awesome. The guy that don't like him, has to have something wrong
with him.

Posted By: Rick Landis (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 02:58 PM

 
 
No way!  I wouldn't get rid of Super Crazy!  Not at all!  Just like Taijiri, the
man's offense and his inate charisma have gotten him over despite the fact that
(A) he's never been given even the slightest push, (B) he doesn't have the WWE
look, and (C) (GASP!) he has an accent.  Both he and Taijiri were way over in
ECW and rightfully so!  They were both an absolute joy to watch under Heyman,
but it is disgusting to see how they've been completely wasted and misused by
WWE.  WWE has simply (once again) dropped the ball, due to their own ignorance
and prejudice!

Posted By: TJack (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 03:41 PM

 
 
Kane won the WWF title in King Of The Ring 1998 in a First Blood match. I guess
the bookers just went ahead and booked the stipulation and only later started
to think:"How the HECK are we going to have Kane bleed a gusher with the
way he's dressed?" - remember, at the time he worked in full-face mask,
gloves and suit with long legs and sleeves. My guess is they just painted
themselves into a corner and had to either weasel out of a stip or give the
strap to Kane for a day. And we all know what they chose to do.

Posted By: woody (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 04:05 PM

 
 
In regards to Miss Elizabeth, she did succumb to having breast implants done and
to dating Lex Luger.

Posted By: Guest#0681 (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 04:15 PM

 
 
C'mon,Orton is the best seller going today(and possibly ever).No one sells a
finsiher like he does.Henning?Please,he took so many overexaggerated bumps.One
punch and he flew over the trop rope like he was shot out of cannon.So fakey
looking.Shawn is great though but no Orton.

Posted By: Gary (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 04:20 PM

 
 
Did somebody really question Dave "Fit" Finlay. My god, what a silly
twat.

Dave Finlay has been a great wrestler since the late 70's, and his toughness is
reknowned the world over. He's considered by a fair few (including Lance Storm)
to still be the top talent in the world, and that's at the age of 49. And his
amazing work for Joint Promotions and the CWA  is something I still fondly
remember today, as well as his wars with Regal in '96, and the time I saw him
against the Dynamite Kid in Plas Madoc Leisure Centre in 1994 (No, Billington
wasn't fully retired by 1991, and still did work for Orig Williams along the
North Wales Coast).

Finlay was also advised to retire in 1999 after nearly losing his leg against
Brian Knobbs, but returned about 6 months later.


Dave "Fit" Finlay is one of the biggest badarses in Wrestling for my
money, and anyone who doesn't think so is a fucking windowlicker.

Posted By: ButchReedMark (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 04:37 PM

 
 
Pffft, Cena doesnt need a specialty match, hes the master of everything and all.
No one can match him and he has no equals.

Posted By: Guest#7281 (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 04:57 PM

 
 
I hate you Cook!

Posted By: Jude Terror (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 05:32 PM

 
 
Francis: the Beer Bashes are on the Stone Cold truth dvd, which is still
available. Anyone reading the package for the Legacy or Stone Cold dvds should
be aware that dvd 3's bonus is NOT the redneck triathlon, as stated. It's the
"who's vince's son?" bit when Austin comes out.

Posted By: scrp11 (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 06:00 PM

 
 
"Money Inc. was not a faction, but was the tag team of Ted DiBase &
Irwin R. Schyster. They won the WWF Tag Team titles on three separate occasions
during their run in 1992-1993. I reckon that the faction you are thinking of is
the Million Dollar Corporation, which lasted from 1994-1996 and was managed by
DiBase. IRS was part of the group, along with Nikolai Volkoff, the Underfaker,
Tatanka, Bam Bam Bigelow, King Kong Bundy, Kama, Sid, 1-2-3 Kid, Xanta Klaus
& the Ringmaster."

Before his turn, wasn't Virgil a member?

Posted By: cyks (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 06:14 PM

 
 
Burke just came out endorsing Obama, as well as Hogan, and we know all know
about Foley. What other wrestlers are "outed" liberals?

Posted By: Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 06:18 PM

 
 
Thanks for answering my question.  Thats an odd way to tape a shoulder though,
must be a muscle thing.

Posted By: Adam (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 06:34 PM

 
 
We could check Test's claim with a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation:

For each day on the road, he would have the following expenses:

1. Hotel: $50-100 per night

2. Rental car: $25-50 per day.

3. At least 3 meals per day: $50-$100

Assuming he works 200 days per year (which is conservative), that works out to
$25000-$50000 of road expenses per year for just the necessities.  
I haven't even factored in expenses for gym facilities, alcohol, nutritional
supplements (legal and illegal), etc.

Also, I'm not sure how much of this he can write off as business expenses, but
we'd also need to consider taxes.  Suppose he made $75000.  He'd lose about 1/3
of that to taxes, so take-home would be about $50000.  Thus in paying for only
necessities on the road he could be left flat broke.

According to his book, Foley was able to save money because he split rooms at
the Super 8 Austin and DDP, bummed rides off of Vader, and ate junk food like
pizza every night.

Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 07:25 PM

 
 
Cyks: No, Virgil turned against DiBase at the 1991 Royal Rumble, which was many
months before DiBase formed his tag team with IRS. DiBase spent most of 1991
feuding with Virgil and was managed by Sensational Sherri in-between Sherri's
stint with the Macho King & his forming Money Inc. Virgil remained a
babyface for the remainder of his time with the WWF, which lasted until 1994.

Posted By: Steve Cook (Registered)  on March 26, 2008 at 07:31 PM

 
 
you have to remember also, regarding traveling expenses, that WWE wrestlers are
independent contractors and can recoup most if not all of their on the road
expenses.  

also, WWE wrestlers are now on a 4 on 3 off schedule with bonuses for
international tours, so the travel expenses now are not nearly what they were
when they did have the 200+ day per year schedule.

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 08:05 PM

 
 
To the first comment posted, the story that Goldberg was part of Piper's
"tryout" is I believe considered to be an urban legend.  They showed
that Nitro on 24/7 in the last year, and a review I read of it mentioned that
fact.  The only guy from that debacle that went on to become well known was
Luther Reigns, who was by 1998, I think, a jobber in WCW named Horshu (for his
horseshoe-shaped haircut).  John Tenta also was there, but he was obviously
alreadly well known.

Posted By: Jeff (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 08:23 PM

 
 
"Nobody would tell you that Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff vs. The Killer
Bees was a strong selling point for the show"

Sheiky Baby would beg to differ!!!

Posted By: MikeC (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 08:55 PM

 
 
Who is the idiot ripping Hennig's selling?  He clearly doesn't know anything
about wrestling.  Bret Hart was awesome at selling as was the Macho Man Randy
Savage.

Posted By: The Man (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 09:45 PM

 
 
The guy bashing Finley needs to get his head out of his ass.  Considering he was
given a midget to bury him and still got over as hell.  At his age there are
very few people who would fuck with Fit Finley.

Posted By: Andy (Registered)  on March 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM

 
 
i hate people who send in opinion questions to ask 411?
ie."who is your favorite wresler? i think cena sucks, do you agree?"

this column is suppose to be for asking about unknown to little known tidbits
of information,

Posted By: rey (Guest)  on March 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM

 
 
Saturn was the friggin man back in the day, he should have been a dominating IC
champ, instead he stiffed a jobber and became a retard

Posted By: Hurts Doughnut (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 12:42 AM

 
 
thanks for the column; I love these!  Just one thing:  in your lead-in, change
"their" to "they're."

Posted By: Brian (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 01:03 AM

 
 
Jeff,
I'm not trying to start anything with anyone. However I watched that Nitro. I
had been a Falcons fan for some time (at that point) so I recall the match. I
recall hearing Atlanta's own and former Falco Bill Goldberg. It is not an urban
legend. It did happen.

Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 01:12 AM

 
 
as far as i am concerned, Perry Saturn's near death at the hands of some scumbag
who was trying to rape a woman more than makes up for the way he went in the
ring.

sometimes the real heroes lose in the end, but Saturn EARNED a shitload of
respect the hard way.

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 01:57 AM

 
 
In regards to Kane and why he doesn't have any real championship reigns...

I've read somewhere that Kane is the type of guy that doesn't want or need to
be the champion.  He's quite content in his career and at this point of his
life that he is happy just working and helping out with the next batch of
wrestlers.  Again, from what I read, he's quite a humble guy, and respected in
the locker room.  Personally, I would love for Kane to get a small run with the
belt.  He's been a steady performer for most of his career and never asked for
anything in return.  He's worked through so many bad storylines, and always
performs them with such gusto.  He is a true professional and a company man.

Posted By: Flyboy (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 02:16 AM

 
 
Thank God you said Ashley needs to go. I get so tired of everyone acting like
she's hot. She's way too skinny and just unattractive. She does need to go. I
agree with your list. Big Daddy V too. And who said Hennig selling wasn't good?
Did he oversell? Of course. Did it look goofy at times? Yes. But he was
"absolutely perfect!" haha. I had to. I loved Mr. Perfect. As a kid,
he was the first heel I started to like. During his IC title runs with Heenan
and The Coach (why? Heenan was so much better) as managers. Hennig was awesome,
and so was his selling. He made Hogan look like a million bucks at Royal Rumble
90. He didn't just go over the top rope, he went flying over the corner. Hennig
was great, R.I.P. And to the person that said Savage was great too, you're
dead-on. Savage was a hell of a worker. He played a great babyface in peril who
fought with all his heart and he also played a bastard heel. It's a damn shame
he's not in the HOF. Best damn elbow drops in the business, Savage and
Michaels.

Posted By: Joey Gladstone (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 02:24 AM

 
 
I don't know about anyone else but I am sick of people having 5 or 6 questions
that are in such detail that it gets terribly boring to even read an answer. 
The short, TO THE POINT, questions are interesting.  Enough with these 5
question people...they take up a big part of the damn column.

Posted By: LTown1985 (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 02:32 AM

 
 
flyboy, 
you know, two or three years ago i would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.
kane has been a consumate professional and a ocmpany man since day one. he's
put up with so many shitty storylines over the years, has been jobbed to th
emoon and back and has STILL gotten over as hell. problem is he's broken down.
he really just can't compete on the level he used to be able to a few years
ago. notice how he has to take rest holds every four or five minutes in a
mattch nowadays. also, the dude's had a pot belly for a while now. i wish he
could have had a better run as world champ, but i think we all can agree that
glenn jacobs is a future hall of famer.

Posted By: jlevysan (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 02:58 AM

 
 
Come to think of it, why wouldn't ANY participant in a first blood match wrestle
with a thick dark-colored bodysuit making sure absolutely none of their skin is
showing?  Or for  that matter why wouldn't a participant in a cage match make a
straight beeline for the cage door the first time their opponent is knocked off
their feet while near the opposite corner?

Posted By: jasonel (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 04:12 AM

 
 
Saturn back in 94-96 showed A LOT of promise.  I remember watching some ECW
matches with him and being completely amazed at how athletic he was.  Then
injuries happened and he lost a lot of that athleticism.  However he
re-invented himself into something of a mat wrestler/Taz replica and was still
pretty damn good.

Posted By: Tyronetrice2000 (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 05:08 AM

 
 
I would keep the Great Khali for the simple reason that he's making money for
the company in India. Since they're trying to expand into other regions of the
earth and the fact that India has one of the largest populations, it would be a
smart bet to keep him.

I would also keep Knox and Thorn. Their previous gimmicks just sucked, but with
the right one, they can be gold. For example, Knox looks like a madman and he
can play that role naturally (I watch him in DSW).

Posted By: Supro (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 05:13 AM

 
 
Another wrestler that sang his own entrance music: Bam Bam Bigelow.  Or at
least, I'm assuming it was he who supplied the "BAM BAM!" at the
beginning of his theme.

Posted By: DG (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 06:11 AM

 
 
Whats with all these idiots? "Long time reader, first time submitter"
and "my name is Jason and i have a question." No one cares. I wish
Cook would cut all that foreplay out and just post the questions.

Posted By: Champ (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 09:05 AM

 
 
Re: Chain Matches.

Technically these are just strap matches aren't they?  If so, the last one I
remember is Eddie v JBL at the Bash '04

Which is BEFORE Taboo Tuesday '04... never mind... I'll shut up now.

Posted By: Weegie Bored (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM

 
 
How is Bill Goldberg, the jobber no name version that no one had ever heard
about, getting knocked out before he even has a gimmick ammount to a loss? That
would be like saying if Joe went to the WWE and they did another undefeated
streak angle, it wouldn't count because Joe lost as a jobber on Heat like 5
years ago when no one knew who he was.

Posted By: Guest#1287 (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 01:32 PM

 
 
...i think that Kane is the perfect employee he never discomforts...never causes
any troubles in the locker...never gets involved in any scandals always doing
what he is told!If really Vince likes his men big & muscular, not only HoF,
i am surprised he didnt  trade him for Linda!Kudos to Flyboy...life likes being
a bitch most times no?

Posted By: john (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 02:40 PM

 
 
Brian Delaney??? No wins, No entrance music and now people can't even get my
name right... or even close!!!

Colin - C.O.L.I.N.

Posted By: COLIN Delaney (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 03:19 PM

 
 
does no one else think that there is a small chance matt hardy can come back for
the ECW rumble

Posted By: Dysturbed (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 03:28 PM

 
 
"How is Bill Goldberg, the jobber no name version that no one had ever
heard
about, getting knocked out before he even has a gimmick ammount to a
loss?" 

His "gimmick" was basically that he was undefeated.  He was billed as
Bill Goldberg when he lost and Bill Goldberg during the undefeated STREAK.  If a
boxer lost his first professional fight then came back 6 months later with a
Rollie Fingers moustache and did the Macarena would he still be undefeated?

Posted By: jasonel (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 06:13 PM

 
 
While I think it's kind of a silly arguement, consider this:

It was an "undefeated STREAK". As in, he was undefeated starting from
point A until Nash beat him. He was not defeated during that time...sort of like
how when a sports team goes on a winning streak. It's a definate period of time
during which they are not beat, but does not factor in results before or after
said streak.

Posted By: Crook (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 09:07 PM

 
 
Regarding the pronunciation of Umaga's name. Phonetically it should oo-mung-a.
So I think JR's pronunciation is pretty close. He just needs to say the 'n'. If
you want to know how it should be pronounced check out the commentary for New
Zealand rugby games involving Tana Umaga.

Posted By: David (Guest)  on March 27, 2008 at 11:44 PM

 
 
Indeed David. I actually made a pretty much identical comment after Ask411 last
week using Va'aiga Tuigamala as an example. And probably tried to get Jonathan
Davies' name in there.

Posted By: ButchReedMark (Guest)  on March 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM

 
 
Jim,
youre wrong- Goldberg was NOT NOT NOT NOT a part of Piper's tryout team on
Nitro. YOU ARE WROOOOONG!!!!

Posted By: Guest#1632 (Guest)  on March 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM

 
 
Bret tried to jump to WCW in January 1992 without first dropping the
Intercontinental belt because he misread a clause in his contract which he
thought gave him the ability to leave. This may be one of the reasons McMahon
didn't trust Bret Hart.

Bret Hart also mentioned that in 1990, Ric Flair (who at the time was a booker
in WCW) approached Hart to wrestle for WCW for a considerable amount of money.
Hart stated that he was very close to signing but the deal fell through. If
Hart had signed, what impact to you think this would have had on WCW and the
WWF?

Posted By: Joe Spencer (Guest)  on March 29, 2008 at 04:19 AM

 
 
re: "Do You Smell What The Rock is cooking" being about crack...

That would be the case if the catchphrase was "Do You Smell the Rocks
cooking?"

Posted By: Melissa Never Wears Socks (Guest)  on March 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM

 
 
On the subject of Dibiase talking to music... it works for CW McCall.

Posted By: G-Walla (Guest)  on March 31, 2008 at 02:08 PM

 


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