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Tim's Take 4.22.08: The Slippery Slope That Is ECW
Posted by Tim Livingston on 04.22.2008



-Alright. So my big plan this week was to (surprise, surprise) talk about the lack of smarts that TNA has been projecting lately. Even with Samoa Joe winning the World Heavyweight Title, they seem to get it wrong. But I'll talk about that at a later time. Right now, I'm gonna try to talk about something else besides TNA for once. And yes, you CAN breathe that sigh of relief.

Mike Adamle. Michael, Michael, Michael…

For those of you who don't know, my life aspirations are in the broadcasting industry. I've been a play-by-play broadcaster for the last four years of my life, and I am hoping to use that to get me to a higher level in my career. In fact, I would love to be a wrestling broadcaster in the vein of a Gordon Solie, who, even though I only caught him near the tail end of his glorious career, is still the pinnacle of wrestling broadcasting, and rightfully so. It's something that I continue to work at on a weekly basis. So needless to say, my ears perk up at the sound of someone like Mike Friggin' Adamle getting the chance to do ECW.

Now, 411 has been covering all ends of this ordeal. Everything from JR's takes to the immediate reception from the great bastion of wrestling journalism over at the Wrestling Observer, to, most prominently, the comments that Paul Heyman made in his column for the UK Sun. The story is that Joey Styles, the ONLY voice ever in the history of ECW, took over the website dealings for WWE, leaving Adamle as the only "suitable" announcer to take his place, never mind the fact that he has been lost during basically every broadcast he's ever been in since he made his appearance at the 2008 Royal Rumble. He has no presence, and the only reason he was made to sound anywhere near bearable during his American Gladiators run was because it was a taped show and everything was prepped beforehand.

Now fast forward to this past week. ECW was TAPED in London, England. This was obviously done because if they wanted to allow him an easy transition, Adamle would have to get a good taped run in before going live the next week. It was a HORRIBLE taping, with him not getting the hang of anything, and not being able to call moves at all. Hell, he called Tazz, "The Tazz." (To all my Boy Meets World fans who obviously posted last week in my column, anybody else get flashbacks to Cory "The Cory" Matthews with that line?) Tonight, when you watch ECW, Adamle will be thrown to the wolves. He'll be in a situation that he has rarely seen, and he is not going to be in a situation that many would envy, including Josh Matthews and Todd Grisham, who even though they don't have the delivery, have been working their asses off to get better, and that's with Grisham holding two jobs as part of Fox Soccer Channel. And while the talk of Adamle's performances are many, I for one am more deeply ingrained into why the move was made in the first place, including one conspiracy theory thrown out by Paul Heyman that makes me smile, and, sadly, also doesn't surprise me.

It's the fact that when it all comes down to it, Joey Styles had never appealed to Vince McMahon at all. Paul would go on to talk about how they didn't want Joey to call the first One Night Stand PPV in 2005, where ECW would be making a return to PPV, and they wanted Jim Ross to call it. Now, I don't know about you, but there are certain things that just happen to stick with you when you watch certain wrestling matches, and for some of them, the call is most memorable. Who can forget Jim Ross calling Stone Cold Steve Austin's first title win over Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XIV? Or Tony Schiavone calling "The Legdrop Heard Round the World" and him swearing big time after the Hogan promo at Bash at the Beach 1996? Or ANYTHING that was called in the Florida territories and into some of the bigger NWA events in the 70s and 80s thanks to Gordon Solie? Regardless of what you think of them as announcers, you will always have an announcer whose call tied together memories of when you watched wrestling, whether it was Solie for the NWA, Styles for ECW, Schiavone for WCW, Gorilla Monsoon for the WWF, or Jim Ross for WWE.

I'll push the theory that Heyman brought up one step forward. Adamle's obviously horrible presence as an announcer is plain to see. There is something about this that screams "horrible experiment just to mess with the fans." But what about a subtle element that for some reason seems to be overlooked by the fans, even the diehard fans that almost want to cast a blind eye to this whole ordeal because they don't like to deal with it.

What if the switch to Mike Adamle and the inspired backlash to follow was only the first step in Vince McMahon wanting to shut down the ECW brand altogether? This is never out of the realm of possibility. For one thing, since ECW was reborn, the brand had some seriously bad karma. RVD's problems after becoming the double champion aborted a serious push. Kurt Angle's departure left a huge void in what ECW would be about, moving over The Big Show into a position where he would have to take big steps in order to carry a brand. And we can't forget about Chris Benoit, can we? Could ECW have been cursed from the start? Could the slow demise set up by the removal of the singular voice to every ECW match ever up until last week spell the end for a brand that (and let's be quite honest here) Vince McMahon never truly liked that much in the first place?

We all know how WCW turned out after it was bought back in 2001. The idea of an entirely separate brand to allow WCW to live on its own was laughable at best, mainly because they tried to push it as its own entity, and not part of the WWE brand, which, in my mind, is the reason why the current ECW product is on there in the first place. It was presented as the third WWE brand, and has been presented as such since its inception.

As fans, we had been talking about it for a long time. This was not the old ECW, and, rightfully so, I must say on the part of WWE brass, it was never presented as such. It was ECW in name only, using some of the old ECW stars to present some sort of bridge to the old guard, only to see it never really be accepted as such. Instead, it's become some sort of mutual admiration society, where guys who were extraneous on the other two major brands were sent down so that they still got their screen time. Regardless of how you see the SmackDown!/ECW "talent exchange," it's all about ECW being inferior to the other two brands.

I'm not looking for ECW to last much longer. I think there is talent on that show that can easily be transferred to the other brands, and nobody would blink at the loss of ECW. What was supposed to be some type of feeder show for younger talents to show off their merits has instead been this type of safe haven for the underutilized veterans and the younger guys who won't get a shot anytime soon, if ever. In the two years that they have been on the air, you've only got three guys worth a damn when it comes to young talent thanks to ECW: John Morrison, The Miz, and CM Punk. What about all these guys down in FCW? They aren't able to come up and stir a ruckus? You can't POSSIBLY think that Colt Cabana is worthwhile to team with Punk, but Mike Knox gets umpteen chances to show his moxie and Koslov debuts to…well, crickets, really?

And that's what REALLY gets me. ECW is being treated like the C show, but they're still trying to hang with the brands that are established. Why not use ECW as the home of the hungry youngsters looking to take a bite out of the big boys instead of jobbing Colin Delaney out every week? If it's the C show, treat it like one. Make ECW a stomping ground for guys to prove their worth before taking on the two primetime brands. Is CM Punk really going to be your only singles star out of the whole ordeal? ECW seems to be treading on the cut line. The Adamle arrival seems to be just another nail in the coffin. It's not quite closed yet, but there's only so much time until ECW runs out of air completely.


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I really don't quite agree with the totally negative feeling of this column (though it is very well written!)

Personally, I think ECW as a brand is beginning to stand on its own two feet. It is definitely far from perfect, but it is beginning to seem a little more legitimate. Kane (a recognisable "fringe main eventer" as ECW champ is a step forward in this regard.

Is Mike Adamle a mistake as ECW PBP? Absolutely? Would Vince MacMahon kill a brand so readily? I seriously doubt it. If SciFi drop the show however...

So, in conclusion, the article is well-written but perhaps a little premature on the death-knell.


Posted By: Jon P (Guest)  on April 21, 2008 at 11:34 PM

 
 
Agreed with Jon P

Posted By: SC aust (Guest)  on April 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

 
 
i do agree with what your saying but come on vince is no dumb ass........eventually he will see mike adamle for the whorthless fuck he is and fire him or at maybe send him to heat to wirk on his pbp anouncing..........and bring back joey

Posted By: Charlie (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 12:49 AM

 
 
I also agree with Jon.

maybe Styles wanted a new job. who knows. let's see how adamle does tonight.


Posted By: ted g (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 03:25 AM

 
 
So I hear, Adamle is being prepared to move up to RAW or Smackdown... scary. Maybe he'll learn though.

Posted By: King Tony (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 05:34 AM

 
 
I have to disagree with you Jon P. ECW has always been presented as somewhat a development brand and a kind of backwater. They did try and give it a decent kick start with having Angle and RVD, but gradually it dropped and dropped. Heyman brought up a good point in the fact that ECW was taped, yet they didnt bother to re-do the commentary. I hate to say it, but it is kind of like an up-market Velocity now.

Mind you, this point of view isnt even taking into account the old ECW, but just the current incarnation.


Posted By: Lynx Raven Raide (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 05:42 AM

 
 
Agreed,it was never going to be the old ecw, vince made that abundantly clear on the rise and fall of ecw dvd that he fealt the brand needed to appeal to a bigger audience.
However, ifeel this incarnation of ecw died when they were given all of 15 seconds for their title match at wrestlemania and the big battle royal that determined that match was shunted to the dark match. kane will work hard as champ as a more recognised character, but the match at mania just killed any prestige the belt had left.


Posted By: DaJ (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:01 AM

 
 
Im tired of hearing all this complaning and whining your the typical wwe marks to you bradshaw and john cena are extreme. Im just being real ecw has always been dead. The moment Vince bought ecw he knew what he was doing. Ecw is buried now so lets let it die.

Posted By: ecwfan (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:12 AM

 
 
Vince only changes things when the hard numbers aren't going his way. Even with all it's faults, ECW is still beating TNA Impact in the ratings. so I can't see him proactively trying to end it. In terms of stars created on the show, I'd have to add Kelly Kelly to the mix as she's over, is picking up wrestling faster and better than a lot of other "non-wrestling" divas, plus the office wants to make her into the next Trish

Posted By: Greeby (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:53 AM

 
 
The new ECW started going downhill when they started announcing matches for the second One night stand.

Posted By: gutter (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 07:22 AM

 
 
Yes, has to be said Vince is no dumb ass. When he took JR off the air, he eventually realized it was a dumb move and brought him back. McMahon isn't beyond fixing his own mistakes.

And as for him not being behind the brand at all. If he wasn't, he would never have launched it. McMahon doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to, so if he never liked it why invest so heavily in something you intend to kill. Don't forget also that he did support the brand in a limited way even before he bought it out right.

The brand has been almost cursed since the start, but no one could say Vince planned on burying ECW by causing Angle to leave or Benoit to go psycho or by making sure other stars got injuries or done for drug violations. That makes no sense at all.

The only things Vince has actively done against ECW has been:

1) Not allowing it to be like the old ECW. Which has never exactly been a secret. It's no shock to say he see's ECW as WWE's third brand, because that is what it is!
2) Mike Adamale.

I recall when ECW was coming up to it's TV deal renewal a load of people were saying ECW was going to disappear etc etc, but it got a new deal and I don't see anything to make me think it will vanish all together.

Hopefully Vince will come to his senses. But either way if TNA can keep going with their two terrible announcers, ECW, the WWE's thrid brand can keep going with one terrible announcer.


Posted By: Fenris (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 07:38 AM

 
 
As long as ECW makes money with comercials and keeps Sci-Fi happy with ratings (compared to it's other programs) ECW will stick around.

Posted By: T-Mac (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 08:24 AM

 
 
Kelly Kelly is nowhere near passable in the ring. Whatever happened to Steve Romero?

Posted By: steveo (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 09:05 AM

 
 
I'd be sad if ECW was ended. It's usually an hour of entertainment...

Posted By: ... (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 09:33 AM

 
 
Tom Livingman, I understand your concern, but me and the Tazz work hard to bring you the best announcing possible. Cut us a break. Jamaican me crazy!

Hopefuly our Wednesday show CCW on the scary movie channel will rebound when Jeff Harvey comes back and joins our show.


Posted By: Mike Adamle (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 09:54 AM

 
 
I honestly dont understand what makes ECW a "slippery slope" seriously they have GREAT matches and good talent on there now. Who the fuck cares if its a "developmental" brand

Posted By: natedoggcata (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 10:47 AM

 
 
The demise of ECW has nothing to do with a curse, people leaving or murdering their families. The demise of ECW is due to the fact the WWE , just like every expansion in pro sports, has a thin pool of wrestlers that shouldn't have been on TV back in the late '90's and shouldn't be on Tv now. Vince McMahon only helped ECW back in the day because he new that they were innovative and wanted them near by. Remember the phrase "keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer." Vince McMahon decided to help them one day and not when they needed it before they went bankrupt. He could have thrown them a few dollars back then. He used them for his gain and when they needed the help he crushed them. Plain and simple. He helped WCW by buying them out, ran a shitty invasion angle then destroyed every wrestlers that ever came from WCW. Save for a few of the better talents. The wwe has way too many brands and way too many wrestlers to cover the amount of time they have each week for programming. Bring back the Tag Titles, How about actually defending the US and IC Titles on a more frequent basis. That will give you more storylines and will eliminate the garbage you see on TV. Which brings me to my next point. The wwe is not about wrestling anymore, they haven't been for a while. They want to become Hollywood. They want their announcers to stop calling the holds and tell the story. Thats dumb, THIS IS WRESTLING, how can you not call the holds. How about letting the wrestlers tell the story. It is their job. Maybe the "E" should employ better wrestlers instead of these wastes of space like Big Daddy V, Boogeyman, Snitsky etc. Maybe Vince is tired and wants to kill the WWE and become a movie director. He's not the genius everyone claims he is. He drooled out more crap over the last 30 years than he has good stuff. Look it up, thats a fact. He wants it to be more about the story but he also wants to gear it to kids. Let me tell you something Vince. I have an 8 year old and when he watches wrestling he doesnt care what the story is he wants to see the Undertaker tombstone someone. When he plays with his wrestling fihures he doest tell a story with them he beats the shit out of them like real wrestlers. If you want to tell a story then hire a bunch of actors, give them a bit of training and let them 'act' in the ring. Me, I'd rather watch a 30 minutes wrestling classic any day of the week. Shit, I forgot, the WWE thinks I'm too old to watch wrestling.

Posted By: Paul (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 10:54 AM

 
 
As far as ECW being an obvious "C" brand, I totally agree. I think that slightly misses my point though.

This column basically suggests that Vince is essentially leaving a still moderately successful brand for dead out of spite. That doesn't fit the profile of Macmahon the businessman.

One of the things that the column does kind of get right, is the apparent curse on the brand. However, as I said before, ECW does seem to finally gaining momentum now and may at least become a respectable "C" brand.

As for the show staying on air, I do believe that ECW is the only "major" WWE show to keep solid ratings? A 1.3 - 1.4 range, right? At least it has consistency on its side as of late...


Posted By: Jon P (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 02:10 PM

 
 
i wouldn't mind it if they brought in more guys from FCW. I don't think it would do ratings like it does now, but you never know. I feel like ECW should be the brand of opportunity, but instead it comes off as a place to get SmackDown guys some extra TV time. The fact that they had to even have a talent exchange with SmackDown is appalling only because it makes it seem the bastard son of SmackDown. And what sucks is that they're really not. They have enough young talent to be a great brand on their own. but its obvious that that's not what its there to be. its simply a safehaven for guys who can't get over on SmackDown or Raw. They could do so much with Shelton Benjamin, Elijah Burke, John Morrison, Mike Knoxx, Kelly Kelly, C.M. Punk, and maybe some guys from FCW. You could even have a Todd Grisham or Josh Matthews call it alongside Tazz. It could really be a lot better than it is, but it's SYSTEMATICALLY being treated like a b/s brand

Posted By: bighustle (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 03:16 PM

 
 
hey, didn't maria's blooper of calling edge "the edge" propel her character?

Posted By: pat (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 03:30 PM

 
 
I've spoken on this one before. I'll never know why they decided to have a third brand to begin with, and then bringing it back as ECW seemed to make it more pointless. I'll never forget that debut show in June 2006. That still ranks as one of the most horrible debut shows, wrestling or otherwise, I've ever seen, and since then, with the exception of a few (and I stress A FEW) episodes, I don't watch this show, because frankly, it's a waste of an hour and it's not like I'm going to miss anything. I've been a fan of the WWE for almost 20 years, but having a 3rd brand is completely pointless. It wouldn't surprise me if this brand dies a slow death. I was one of the people who thought that when they announced the relaunch of ECW, it was going to be something special, but I was wrong. And then when I heard about the conflicts with Heyman, Vince, Stephanie, and Kevin Dunn, it became clear to me that this show was going to be Vince's ECW.

Posted By: MrMaye625 (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 04:08 PM

 
 
My main problem with ECW is that there is nothing about the show that makes it unique. That is why it feels so second rate. I know you don't want to use extreme rules all the time, but how about doing something that makes it stand on its own?

Posted By: Karatgold24 (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:00 PM

 
 
I was a fan of the old ECW and I agree with this column 100%,from the first time the ecw was shown on sci-fi It was nothing more then the "C Show".It is time to end it all together or put some of the guys from OVW or FCW on T.V

Posted By: Jason (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:45 PM

 
 
I think the biggest problem is that nobody seems to know what to do with the brand. The New Breed/Originals feud was a good start, but everything went to the dumper after that (weakly) played out. All of the momentum they built up with the younger talent on the show after that angle fizzled out. If it was done right, it had the potential to be a year-long program that could have elevated numerous people but really served to get Punk more over (who didn't really need it) and a bit of a "thank you" note to the Originals.

Cm Punk stayed over, but he was over pretty much from day one. Burke was relegated to CM Punk's personal jobber, but looks to be getting something of a small renewal last I watched. Striker has reverted to mouthpiece where he's excelling. Thorn had part of his gimmick, Ariel, pulled (who's since gone to do decently on TNA from what I hear) and his character revamped at least twice. Sylvester Turkai (sp?) was a bust. Monty Brown left for family reasons and changed the focus of his life. So, that's what, two out of six that any kind of betterment from the story? That's not too good if you ask me.

They need to put one person in place to deal with the booking for ECW. They need to drop the talent exchange (even though that brought over the two best things going on the show right now in Miz and Morrison)and shed the stigma of "bastard step-child" brand. Focus on one or two story lines, tops given the hour-long nature of the show, but still put in decent and varied non-story driven matches (not the same Punk/Burke match for 6 weeks running).


Posted By: hgdragon (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 06:45 PM

 
 
ECW was dead on arival as a wwe product. it was the die hard ecw fans that kept brands blood warm. this mock EcW is a example of bad comedy. the only thing i hopr for is that kane being the eCW champion will make his fire burn a little brighter.

Posted By: b1g J 3vil (Guest)  on April 22, 2008 at 08:24 PM

 


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