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Wacky Wrestling Theory 5.08.08: Faking It
Posted by Jake Chambers on 05.08.2008



A couple of years ago I was talking to an 18 year old guy who told me that he'd given every girl he'd ever had sex with an orgasm. Now, if you were in my situation you might have a number of reactions, one may be to high five him and say ‘damn right, me too,' or another might be, like me, uncontrollable laughter. I'm certain that most adult men look back at the sexual relationships they were having when they were 18 or younger and realize that they had no idea what they were doing back then. The responses produced by those young girls was likely that of discomfort or boredom and not sexual bliss. Maybe the younger people of today are exposed to more pornography and thus have a greater knowledge of what to do during sex. Well, pornography is obviously just an exaggerated hyper-experience recreation much like pro-wrestling. Someone saying they know how to perform sexually from watching porn would be as ridiculous as saying they could win a fight using the moves from pro-wrestling. Regardless, women are notorious for their ability to seamlessly sell men on the realism of a faked orgasm, and it is only through mature investigation that men are able to discover how to come within the range of providing orgasms more times than not. Thus there is a possibility that those men who believe that every woman they've had sex with had an orgasm are most likely self indulgent and/or delusional. I think a connection can be made between this type of man and the male wrestling fans that have a skewed interpretation of the ‘selling' in pro-wrestling.

‘Selling' is the term used to refer to the act of imitating pain in pro-wrestling. This can also encompass the art of exploiting the memory of that pain in order to show physical weakness to a certain area of the body in order to tease submission or match finishes. Wrestlers can go about ‘selling' in many ways, from facial and oral expressions, to false limps or acting tender towards a certain part of the body. There is a simplistic surface way to understand selling when observed, which is when any blow or hold, such as a punch or a stretch, elicits expressions of extreme pain from the receiving wrestler. There is another more sophisticated way to evaluate selling, which would be to take into account age, health, previous injury, crescendos of response as the match progresses, sense memory, and connecting different amounts of pain to the intensity of the strikes or maneuvers. Much like the situation with the female orgasm, some men might simply think that harder and faster banging equals louder and more intense orgasm, or there are those who take into account the effects of foreplay, pacing, speed variation, consistent clitoral stimulus and (possibly) the targeting of the g-spot, in order to understand how a women truly reaches a climax. I will attempt show that these same men who possess a base understanding of pro-wrestling selling are also the type who do not know how to give a woman an orgasm or at least have been gullibly led to believe that they have done it every time.

This major discrepancy between what indicates, or at least what goes noticed, as good ‘selling' shows just how subjective fan criticism could be. Since everything in pro-wrestling is ultimately staged, rating what is legitimately good or bad is not as simple as in regular professional sports. Online criticism has had a major impact on the direction of pro-wrestling in recent history and therefore when a swell of opinion forms it can soon become the equivalent of a fact in the collective pro-wrestling psyche, and can be used to subjectively destroy a wrestler's credibility when they have done nothing particularly wrong. Thus rather than acknowledging certain unbiased flaws in singular matches, sometimes this kind of criticism can be used to support very biased personal opinion. I would have no problem with someone saying that, "John Cena sucks and the Undertaker rules," if that is their flat out personal belief, but trying to back up that opinion with an even more subjective opinion disguised as fact is when I believe some people can begin to get frustrated with the online wrestling community.

In order to illustrate the misinterpretation some fans may have of appropriate selling I will focus mainly on those who attacked the John Cena knee injury at Wrestlemania 23, particularly in contrast to the main event of Wrestlemania XXIV. After his bout against Shawn Michaels, Cena was highly criticized by some people for his poor ‘selling' of knee/leg damage and how it seemed to disappear during the match. Personally, I saw this match quite differently and feel that the criticism is highly suspect, thus I would like to examine the scenes in question from that match more closely.

Both Cena and his opponent Shawn Michaels came into the match completely healthy, a fact that Jim Ross even notes in the opening moments of the Wrestlemania 23 main event. John Cena is younger than Michaels, physically much stronger, and must out weigh him by at least 50 pounds. This opening clean slate of health and lop-sided physical status is very important for understanding the selling that Cena will perform for his knee.

The first knee attack came when Cena was in the ring corner and attempted to kick a charging HBK who then caught his leg and punched his knee. This is followed by a couple of stomps, a ring post curl, some more stomps, and a couple of chop blocks. This is the extent of the assault on Cena's knee. Even though it happens in the first ten minutes of a near thirty-minute match, some people would have had him sell this injury for the entire time. Michaels uses no submission holds or even wear down holds on the leg at all. During the entire sequence Cena was making a visual attempt to turn his leg away from Michaels, a touch of reality rarely shown in WWE matches, and enough of a signal that he was protecting himself from long term side effects of a few light impact strikes.

In the end of the sequence, Cena ducked out of the turnbuckles and Michaels hit the ring post and knocked himself out for a while allowing Cena time to recover in another corner, reasonably selling the pain in his knee while also visually shaking it off. Having gained the advantage Cena used a series of moves that don't require much weight on his bad leg, then goes for his signature 5-Knuckle-Shuffle and even more prominently stumbled and shook off the pain in his knee. The leg pretty much does not play a factor in the match from that point on, and reasonably so. Considering Cena had no previous knee injury, was wearing knee pads, is young and strong, and was only the victim of a few minutes of stomps, his leg injury should be understood as nothing but a stinger that can be plausibly shaken off and should not have been a problem for the rest of the match. By having the sense to show measure and continuity with his selling during this section of the match Cena displayed a truly mature wrestling sense.

Some have even commented that Shawn Michaels looks visually angry as he is leaving the ring after the match and deduced that he was pissed because of Cena's lack of ‘selling.' In fact, the Shawn Michaels character should be upset and angry at that point, having just lost the main event at Wrestlemania, by tapping out, to a wrestler he believed was inferior. HBK refusing to shake Cena's hand fit into the storyline of the two reluctant partners fighting, and the older Michaels refusing to respect the younger Cena. Thus the criticism of Cena was not a thoroughly careful examination of ‘selling' but a transparent device many fans used to continue the false perpetration that John Cena ‘can't wrestle.'

In contrast, the main event of Wrestlemania XXIV between Edge and the Undertaker received almost no criticism for a lack of selling. I don't think this match should have necessarily been criticized, though given last year's backlash against Cena for ‘ruining' his main event by poorly selling, I thought the Undertaker would be subject to some attacks due to his suspect handling of a similar situation. Undertaker is of course much older than Cena and also has had a long career full of injury. In the early going of the match, the younger Edge is causing a lot of unfocused damage to the Undertaker. When a pinpoint attack on the Undertaker's back by Edge begins, Undertaker has already been visually worn down, unlike Cena whose knee attack came at the beginning of his match. Undertaker has the small of his back back-dropped onto the ringside divider and has it followed up by over three minutes of half-Boston crab submission holds. Eventually, the Undertaker begins to fight back and Edge is no longer able to use a purely back focused attack.

The Undertaker visually recognizes his injury by putting his arm behind his back and wincing on a number of occasions, much like how Cena limped and shook off his knee injury. Yet rarely does this sore back seem to play any part in effecting the Undertaker from completing the moves in the match. He is able to get flawless torque on his Last Ride, and has no problem lifting Edge for chokeslams and tombstones in the last half of the match, even after taking numerous back impacting maneuvers, like a superplex, an inverted DDT and two spears. Unlike the Cena/Michaels match where the leg attack was short and was sold properly as a stinger on a young healthy athlete, this match had a sustained back sequence on an older wrestler who needs back strength to administer his main finishing moves. The Undertaker lightly sold any problem to his back and successfully made it through the final ten minutes without so much as acknowledging any side effects from the pain on his way to victory.

Some might suggest that the Undertaker's ‘dead man' character ‘no-sells' moves and injury. This is not necessarily true, especially in the more realistic phase of his later career. In fact, I saw the Undertaker defeat Kurt Angle at a house show where he sold his ankle pain masterfully throughout the final moments of the match, and continued to limp during his entire walk to the backstage curtain. So either the Undertaker got a pass from the pro-wrestling critics for his performance at Wrestlemania XXIV, or those same people put too much weight on a biased evaluation of John Cena's performance at Wrestlemania 23.

As a separate example, I even think criticism of the Great Khali shows subjective interpretation of ‘selling.' Khali is a giant and has only a hand full of physical equals in the wrestling world. Pro-wreslting would look increasingly phony if much smaller wrestlers who ‘can' wrestle, I suppose like Carlito or Mr. Kennedy, could somehow hurt Khali in anyway. By maintaining a consistent un-beatability and also not selling moves when the traditional wrestling logic is to sell everything, Khali is in fact ‘wrestling' quite well. The role of the giant wrestler must require a different set of selling and working rules in order to maintain the consistent realism of the overall show, yet in some cases the fans and critics want these giants to display a skill level that is very vague in definition. It is almost as if they want Khali to reverse hammerlocks and scream in pain from a toe-hold.

Some fans seem to want to see only the most extreme displays pain and pleasure in ‘good' wrestlers, similar to the presentations of physical emotion in pornography. Porn knows no subtlety, matching every rough double penetration, deep throat gag, bukkakae, cream pie and stiff face slap, with the happy moans and bright faces of orgasmic women. These unrealistically extreme exaggerations are made for fun, but they most likely appeal to many guys who feel their own satisfaction is of utmost importance. Thus I would argue that the recent epidemic of "You Can't Wrestle!" chants thrown the Great Khali's way is the equivalent of a guy dropping a load on a smiling girl's face in porn. To think that the powerful and healthy John Cena should have yelled louder when he got kicked in the knee in few times and then should remember to limp for twenty minutes afterwards seems kind of silly, but then again maybe not to those who believe that anal gang bangs are a realistic interpretation of sexual play.

The majority of both pro-wrestling and pornography are male-centric fantasy realms where base physical reaction is exploited and exaggerated for stimulating purposes. Watching modern pornography may lead some men to believe that the loudest and most carnal reactions to physical stimulus are appropriate. The extreme acts displayed and the pleasurable reactions of the women are definitely the minority when it comes to the real sexual activity that takes place in the personal lives of those watching. Unfortunately, those young men who become prematurely sexually active, with porn as their only education, may think that the fulfillment of their own orgasm and ejaculation is also leads to the pure satisfaction of a woman. This type of self-indulgence makes these men susceptible, in the future, to believing women's fake orgasms. ‘Selling' is obviously one of the most delicate skills a wrestler must possess, therefore quick evaluations of ‘selling' by fans that try to unfairly expose the poor skills of the wrestler, rather than using careful investigation, could reveal that the personality of these fans is the gullible and self-absorbed type that can take for granted the intricacies of experience. In the best case scenario, hoping to elevate the art of pro-wrestling and its fans above pornography, there should be more to the prolonged working and selling of an injury in a wrestling match than just grunting and facial squirming to match every move.

Instead of accepting John Cena's subtle and reasonable portrayal of his knee pain, in the example previously given, because it might force them to admit that John Cena has some pro-wrestling skill, the critics of this performance are showing that they cannot accept Cena unless he does exactly what they want him to do, and that's ‘suck.' Just as these, most likely, male fans do not want to concede that the world is exactly how they imagine it, it is believable that they are also the type of people who take their own sexual gratification for granted. To satisfy their narcissism, these fans would believe the standard moaning and facial expressions used by women to fake orgasms. Rather than being the type to adjust, as is the mentality needed to mature and learn the subtleties of giving a woman a real orgasm, these fans take the stereotypical reaction as justification of their own self-indulgent view of the world. In some ways, this theory makes it easy to see, historically, how all the detractors of wrestlers like John Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Rock, or Hulk Hogan, are often frustratingly irrational, young men. But maybe this is all just one of my really wacky theories.



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Comments (53)

 
Excellent, excellent article. This is the best new column in the Wrestling zone,
well done.

Posted By: Jimmy (Guest)  on May 07, 2008 at 11:28 PM

 
 
dude, i couldn't decide if i should be worried about you or get a towel.

Posted By: Guest#2706 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 12:36 AM

 
 
I will assume the point of this column is to illicit debate and more importantly
provide the reader with thought. Very well accomplished. Finely presented and
very well thought out. I look forward to the 15 re-readings before passing
judgement. =)

Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 12:41 AM

 
 
Great Article.

I shall be reading from my underground palace... you sir, do great stuff. Never
mind my room-mate though, Darth gets crabby when he misses his Mom. It's only
been 3 days... maybe i'll have him move out, but the free slurpee thing is
great, i tell you...

I personally love Kahli, I mean love him... get it? wha?... nevermind...

Darth hates Kahli but he'll be back in his Mom's basement before he knows it,
"command center" my arse...

Posted By: DungeonMasterMortis (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 01:15 AM

 
 
Y'know... I don't know if this is a 'wacky' theory or not.  Most of what you've
said here is fairly logical and might actually be a legitimate correlation.

Posted By: Mina (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 01:18 AM

 
 
I FORGOT: War-Cry...

GO my IWC KNIGHTS GOOOooo!! WOOOOOOoooooo! GORE!!!

Posted By: DungeonMasterMortis (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 01:20 AM

 
 
Why does this guy write for this site?  His articles are boring and his only
intent is trying to get a rise out of the IWC (he doesn't do that very well
either).  As soon as I saw Cena mentioned I couldn't even bother to read the
rest of his stuff.  I remember this is the same guy that somehow linked people
who don't enjoy Cena matches to the fear of homosexuality.  Can someone replace
this douchebag?

Posted By: Couldn't even finish reading. (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 01:27 AM

 
 
Geeze you couldn't make it past the third paragraph?

Posted By: Patrick Robinson (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:00 AM

 
 
That series of counters and escapes Edge did against 'Taker at WM could have
been chalked up to 'Taker not being able to pull his signature moves off as
quickly or have as good of a hold on Edge due to his back.

I don't know what your intent was on this column but to me it made you look
like you just wanted an excuse to talk about how awesome Cena is and how biased
the IWC is.

Posted By: m8 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:03 AM

 
 
Here's why your theory is bunk:  some guys watch porn AND make their girlfriends
orgasm.  And still find time to hate John Cena.  Not because of anything about
him at this point.  Now, it's beecause his defenders have become so incredibly
annoying and just can't accept the VERY SIMPLE fact that we just don't like the
guy.  Simple.  Now go get your fucking shinebox, Jake Chambers.

Posted By: The REAL MP (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:20 AM

 
 
Man, you really must love cena.

Posted By: Ayo (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:30 AM

 
 
...do you know why women pretend orgasm?'cause they think we actually care!

Posted By: john (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 03:22 AM

 
 
Na - I was always great in bed.  No selling needed.

Posted By: Big John Studd (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 04:19 AM

 
 
The stuff about selling was really good, and well thought out... Could have done
without all this sexual overtones though.. Now I'm feeling oddly unnerved when I
watch Wrestlemania 23... Good work still! How about an article on heel/face
dynamics next week, would like to hear your opinion! BTW the "running for
number 1 contendership" article sucked balls.

Posted By: 1-man-posse (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 07:14 AM

 
 
Why do all your theories suck?

Posted By: Dave M (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 08:19 AM

 
 
This is an interesting article but you just maybe on to something. This is a
different take on something I did not think about to much about. Good job,the
IWC could use more creative writers like you.

Posted By: SaveECW222 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 08:36 AM

 
 
My hand fakes it when I masturbate.

Great column.

Posted By: TG Corke (Registered) (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 08:46 AM

 
 
This article was kind of just... meh. I mean, what the Hell exactly was your
theory this time? I don't think all the sexual stuff connected very well at
all. Still, this is an improvement over some of the other articles, I guess.
I'm not sure why you have such an obsession with connecting wrestling with sex,
though. First the whole (and completely baseless) Cena/homophobia thing and now
this. Wrestling is not in any way sexual to the vast majority of us wrestling
fans, and that is the sort of connection that could only be made by an ignorant
non-fan. The kind of retard who thinks they are so smart in saying
"Derrr... That stuff is so fake," or "Derrr... Why would you
want to watch a bunch of half naked guys pretend to fight?" People like
that don't know what they are talking about, and it makes me wonder if they
secretly want to watch half naked men pretend to fight, while we just want to
watch wrestling. What there wearing doesn't matter because it isn't sexual.
Anyway, getting a bit off topic. This week's article was okay. A bit long,
though, and not interesting enough. You seem to be improving though, so I will
keep watching to see if this article continues to grow and mature.

Posted By: RavenEffect (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:05 AM

 
 
What u have to remember is most of the people on the message boards have never
had sex so they can not truly make the connections.

Posted By: OB1 Jabroni (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:13 AM

 
 
i read cena somewhere so i just clicked the close button after posting this
message

Posted By: sid (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:15 AM

 
 
Just more crap about how Super Cena is S00per d00pa... yawn

get a life, dude

Posted By: Guest#5935 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:17 AM

 
 
Pretty decent article.  I agree that both pro rasslin and porn do offer an over
the top portrayal of life, which can make a significant impression on younger
men.

To some guys of limited experience every girl should have fake hooters and
scream the house down when they orgasm through the roughhousing shit that they
see in what passes for porn these days.  Every woman is different and tricks
you learn to make one girl orgasm will probably not work on the next girl.

Same with selling injuries - some guys can sell extremely well, others can't to
save their lives.

However Mr Chambers, you are evil - I will never be able to look at a money
shot ever again without seeing Khali's face.  I'm gonna have to go and burn my
eyes out and undergo a serious amount of therapy to get rid of that image!!!!

Posted By: blacklodge (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:20 AM

 
 
Whether you agree or disagree the article is well thought out and well written.

All those that criticise are those that could not create any near similar. 
Regardless of whether people love or hate Cena, or whatever, it was well
written.

Some people just need to chill out and stop thinking they are so good and
running someone down from behind a keyboard!

Posted By: Jacko (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:34 AM

 
 
Great read!

Posted By: Borb (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 09:53 AM

 
 
Still waiting for you to write an article that doesn't suck. Keep on plugging
away at that keyboard, I'm sure you got a good article in there somewhere. 

Here's my Wacky Wrestling Theory: Jake Chambers has some embarrassing pictures
of the people who run this site. That's the only reason they still let him
write this drivel.

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 10:00 AM

 
 
john said it best. women pretend to orgasm, we pretend to care.

IMHO selling and making your opponent look good are both lost arts. the one guy
that personified that to me is Bret Hart. Its also what makes him one of the
all-time greats. he could have a good match with anyone and a great match with
better opponents.

Posted By: Jake_Fury (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 10:19 AM

 
 
Awful article - what a load of pretentious, pseudo-intellectual trash! Spare us
your pretentious crap and quit writing, its clearly not for you. Try something
more suited to your talents - grocery packing perhaps?

Posted By: KB (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 10:27 AM

 
 
Yeah, Jake you're a really good writer, but some of your "theories"
seem a stretch.

Your wrestling analysis was great, spot on, but you failed to make me
understand how exactly it correlates to porn. Your logic is flawed. Correct,
there are people who respond to over-the-top porn, and over-the top selling,
but how are they connected, and why? And do you honestly think that anyone who
criticizes underselling is doing so because the only experience they have in
how pain/pleasure is shown on screen is through the extremes of porn? Weak
arguments dude.

Posted By: Deano (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 10:37 AM

 
 
You answered your own question about the Undertaker when you talked about Khali.
 Undertaker's just been around long enough that he needs that perceived
vulnerability of an occasional strong sell.

Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 10:49 AM

 
 
Yea dude, get a life! Maybe someday you will have such a fulfilling life of
leaving derogatory comments underneath articles.

It's really a good life. Much better than writing!

(sob) It's me! It's me! I'm the one with no life!

lol. Seriously Great Article. Much better than some of the comments.

Posted By: steveo (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 11:23 AM

 
 
Interesting article, very well written and thought provoking.  The Cena Haters
have descended upon the comments section like flies to discarded shit.  I agree
with your statements about the double standards when it comes to judging Cena's
matches, but its to be expected.  The IWC have picked their target of hate and
it happens to be Cena. Now the guy can do no good in their eyes.  Thats not me
saying that he's the greatest wrestler alive today. But I don't feel that he's
as bad as people depict him.

Posted By: bighustle (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 11:56 AM

 
 
Doesn't "dropping the load" refer to poo...?

Posted By: Aname (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 12:25 PM

 
 
Well KB who the hell are you to insult Jake's intellegince? I would like to see
you come up with an article even HALF as good as this one. And if you don't
like it don't read it dipshit!

Posted By: SaveECW222 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 12:39 PM

 
 
'SaveECW222' (brilliant name by the way... I'm in awe of your inventiveness),
spare me the standard apologists comeback of "I'd like to see you do
better" that always pops up on 411 whenever a hack writer gets flamed.
This Jake Chambers guy is full of his own bullshit and I'm just rightfully
calling him out on it. He writes like an amateur freudian, trying to perceive
the underlying sexuality in everything and making himself out to be some wise
scholar, when ultimately he is just boring and his opinions suck. And also,
I'll read whatever I want to read, dickhead. If I read something and am
motivated enough by its trashy nature to leave a negative comment, then I will
do, pussy.

Posted By: KB (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:01 PM

 
 
Are you done?  Is that it?  So the only argument in defense of this column is
"I'd like to see you do better."  I can't play guitar worth a shit,
but I can tell you that Nickelback sucks and Pearl Jam is awesome.  I don't
write Internet wrestling columns, but I know bullshit when I see it.  Kind of
like Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes point about obscenity:  "I can't tell
you what it is, but I know it when i see it."

And for the record, I do write.  A LOT.  For grad/professional school.  I'm not
going to tell you where or for what (lest someone recognize me), but it's much
more scholarly and substantive than this crap.

Posted By: The REAL MP (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 02:23 PM

 
 
Jake, you are very well educated and well-written. You have a deep thinking mind
and I appreciate your creativity. You really seem to just be yourself and that
makes your column unique. Unique does not always mean "good", but at
least it's a different take on things. You also have a good understanding of
selling.

Best article that you'ver written, but seriously...too much sex. This isn't 411
Porn.

Posted By: Aaron Hubbard (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 03:34 PM

 
 
Jake, why do you write such well-written articles on such stupid shit? You're
like Nas circa 1999!

Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 03:37 PM

 
 
whos the hot girl on the photo for this link?

Posted By: robb (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 03:59 PM

 
 
Best article for this column yet - nice analogy between selling and porn.

Even better analogy between sexually inexperienced young men and those who are
quick to criticise selling based on the wrestler (rather than what's actually
being kayfabe sold).

So what are you going to do when you run out of ways to jab at the IWC's sexual
qualities? I mean, this column burned through 'you guys are wankers with no
sexual experience' and 'you guys are all idiots who make snap judgements based
on preconceived notions rather than a rational evaluation of the evidence'.
Next week I'm guessing the subtext of your article will be 'You guys are all
pathetic man-boys hankering for the sweet tatse of mother's milk and the gentle
warmth of the womb'.

Posted By: evil_dave83 (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 04:12 PM

 
 
This was less of an article trying to justify a wacky theory as much as it was
trying to defend Cena's sloppy performance at WrestleMania 23.

Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 04:23 PM

 
 
One thing that is definitely for sure is that people are way too hard on Cena. I
don't like the character anymore either, but can't people at least give the guy
credit when he deserves it? Now, I personally haven't seen the Wrestlemania
match against HBK since it took place last year (or... wait... was it the year
before that... I forget), but if what the author described was what actually
happened, then I agree that people are being way too harsh on Cena. If there
was truly only the littlest bit of attack on his knee, why the heck would it
make sense for him to sell it for the rest of the match?

Posted By: RavenEffect (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 04:46 PM

 
 
i like your articles a lot and think there a pretty admirable attempt a lot of
the time. This i feel would have made more sense linked to how fans these days
feels that there needs to be 85 chair shots, a suicide attempt and a swimming
pool of blood to be produced for a high quality match rather than over selling
but hey u write the articles

Posted By: macca (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 04:58 PM

 
 
Jake, this is my new favorite column.  Not just "favorite *new*
column", mind you.  Don't let the detractors - if you can call "dude
u suk" a detraction - keep you in any way from keeping the theories
coming.  And to those who call your theories "a bit of a stretch"? 
The fucking TITLE of the column is *WACKY* Wrestling Theory!

Posted By: KanyonKreist (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 05:18 PM

 
 
More Cena love. I approve!!!

Posted By: Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 05:28 PM

 
 
"Why does this guy write for this site?  His articles are boring and his
only
intent is trying to get a rise out of the IWC (he doesn't do that very well
either)."

well, he certainly got a rise out of you, didn't he?

i guess he won.

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 05:37 PM

 
 
I also love reading the comments, and how polarising they are.

the virgins hate your article, and those who have had sex see your point.

personally, i get what you are saying, and there is a fair bit more than a
grain of truth to it.

'course, now the virgins will roll their 20 sided die and attact, but who
cares?

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered)  on May 08, 2008 at 05:42 PM

 
 
No, Mortis, my criticism of this crappy article has nothing to do with
"being a virgin" (witty remark by the way, loved how by doing the
"and those who have had sex see your point" bit you were cunningly
able to hype up your own sexual prowess - as if an arrogant, geeky, overbearing
chump like you could ever get near to a sniff of pussy) but rather, I criticise
it because its half-hearted crude freudian bullshit that idiots like yourself
buy into as genuine, intellectual discussion. Go back to your command centre
and your vigorous routine of jerking yourself off to carlito matches, asshole.

Posted By: KB (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 06:04 PM

 
 
Great article, very well written and make great points.  I give Undertaker a
pass on his selling because I am a mark for him going back to the early days
(Mean Mark).  I think by the same token we are more harsh on those that we
dislike whether from personality, moveset, attitude, etc.

Posted By: Obsidian (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 06:42 PM

 
 
I look forward to this column every week. Can't wait to see what you come up
with next.

Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 07:24 PM

 
 
that is actually the most intelligent you have ever sounded.  It was actually a
true concept in working.

Posted By: ballz (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 07:26 PM

 
 
U made some good points but your crazy if u think that much psychology went into
Cena's selling of the knee injury. I'm sure he didn't sit back & say well
I'm a young healthy guy I should be able to come back from this in no time...
It's just a little stinger. That's lame. Also the announcers always say Taker
has gotten better with age. Why would u want your future world champion to sell
as if he were an older guy who can't recover as quickly from injuries as the
younger guys. It makes him look weak. If he's going to be labeled as the best
in the world he better act like it. It isn't like he had recent back surgery
either... besides everyone should know that the unofficial rules within the
"E" r that if it hasn't happened recently it never happened. A good
example of this is when they said Taker never beat Edge & yet he pinned him
less than a year ago in a tag match with Batista against Rated RKO on SD.

Point is ur right... People hate on Cena for no good reason  but your
exagerrating his "psychology of the sell" to prove the point. U can't
point out biase with biase & expect people to take it seriously.

U need to understand that people r going to hate Cena regardless of what u or I
tell them because he's like the Patriots of the WWE. He never loses & much
worse he seems to always be champ just like the patriots. People will always
hate a dynasty if it isn't their team. People these days have been engineered
that way. The NFL knows this... that's why they instituted free agency. to stop
the Cowboys, 49ers, steelers, & a few others from being the only teams that
had a chance. People like suspense.. That's y they complained that Taker closed
the show because it gave away the ending.

If you've noticed, some of the Cena hate has faded as has his t- shirt sales.
This is because people react in 2 different ways to a team or person who
constantly wins. They hate them & come up with lame reasons to prove the
point or they love them & they only love them because they're trying to be
different from everybody else or because they always have to be on the winning
side. The latter being the type of people who r Patriots fans who will turn
against them the second they no longer dominate. 

Cena hasn't been constantly winning lately... He seems human & people don't
care about him as much. They don't hate as much or love as much because they're
looking for the next dynasty to love & or hate. (except the IWC who just
won't let him go). This doesn't mean everybody. Just the majority. There r some
loyal Cena lovers & haters.. Me being neither. I don't like him or hate him.
He's just doing his job & atleast he does it to the best of his ability.
However sucky that may or may not be.

PEACE! 

PEACE!

Posted By: THE BOMB! (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 07:27 PM

 
 
Wow, you've managed to garner a hell of a lot of feedback, most of it utter
crap.  This was a really well written article, adeptly put together; the
analysis of selling was the best I've seen for a while, and it's links to porn
did have some credence.  This is the first article I've read of yours, and I'm
very impressed (that sounds quite haughty and pompous, as if it actually means
anything to you, I'm not so stuck up like many of the posters on this article
to believe that I am the holder of all knowledge.)  Keep going.

Posted By: Woody (Guest)  on May 08, 2008 at 08:56 PM

 
 
I'm just waiting for pornography to get past the ECW/Crash TV era to the more
technical Smackdown Six era.  Too much freaky shit in porn nowadays.

I wanted to make the obvious joke about this going over everyone's head, since
most of the ICW are virgins, but that's too easy.

I will say it's an interesting read.  I don't think yout quite connected the
belief in selling with belief in orgasms, but I got what you were going for.

Posted By: G-Walla (Guest)  on May 09, 2008 at 01:32 AM

 


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