411 Fact or Fiction 5.15.08: LAX Winning Deuces Wild, Edge vs. Taker Again, Saturday Night’s Main Event and More!
Posted by Larry Csonka on 05.15.2008
Week ONE HUNDRED and SEVENTY-EIGHT features Aaron Hubbard, Jeff Small and discussion of Nick Hogan serving hard time!
Welcome back to another week of 411 Fact or Fiction: Wrestling Edition! This week, two men go to battle as Aaron Hubbard enters the 411 Arena to do battle with Jeff Small!
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1. LAX winning the tag titles made the entire "Deuces Wild" tournament worth it.
Aaron Hubbard:FICTION. And a big fiction at that. I didn't watch the show, but I got annoyed just reading the results. This whole tournament with overbooked stipulations and "random" partners? I didn't even want to watch this PPV, since I didn't know what would be on the card. I mean, RAW Roulette is one thing, that's free TV, but if I'm paying for something, I want to know what it is. Even still, LAX winning is the RIGHT decision. But that doesn't make up for anyone who had to sit through those three hours.
Jeff Small :FICTION. LAX winning the tag titles was entirely the correct call but I wouldn't reach out on a limb and say the "Deuces Wild" was worth it. The problem with the entire tournament was that it comprised way too much of the last few weeks of television AND the Sacrifice PPV. If the tournament had a bunch of memorable matches, then it would have been worth the weeks of hype; however, none of the matches came off particularly memorable (unless you count Booker's heel turn). In addition, the Egotistical Eight added nothing to the PPV and the participants could have been used in other quality matches on the card (for example: Sting vs. Storm).
Score:1 for 1
2. Running a one-night "Championship Chase" on Smackdown, only to have it lead to another Edge vs. Undertaker match was ridiculous.
Aaron Hubbard :FICTION. Personally, I expected it. And it really fits Edge and Vickie's characters perfectly. Plus, this will "lead to another Edge vs. Undertaker match". You say that so condescending...how is another match between these two a bad thing? They had a great match at Wrestlemania, and (in my opinion), a better match at Backlash. If the match at Judgment Day lives up these two it will be a great match. If it surpasses them, we could have a real Match of the Year candidate on our hands. I love good matches, and if this leads to a good match, it's not ridiculous.
Jeff Small :FICTION. If the "Championship Chase" lasted over several episodes, I would have totally went FACT on this one. However, it was only one night and unlike the "Deuces Wild" tournament, there was one particularly memorable match on the card: Batista vs. John Morrison. While the outcome was never in doubt, it was very surprising how much offense Morrison got in which says a lot about his stock in the company. While the booking left much to be desired (I would have preferred someone other than Edge get the title shot), at least Big Daddy V didn't get the title shot at the end of the night.
Score:2 for 2
3. While TNA made the right move pulling Kurt Angle from the main event of Sacrifice, they should have announced it before hand instead of after people already purchased the show.
Aaron Hubbard :FACT. This was NOT cool. This reminds me of the incident with Scott Steiner last year. Steiner hurt his throat in, I think Puerto Rico. (Don't quote me on that.) But they continued to advertise Team 3D vs. the Steiner's at Slammiversary. It's really unprofessional. I mean, smarts knew, but what about those who aren't in the know? Oh wait, Vince Russo doesn't believe in marks...
Jeff Small :FICTION. First off, kudos to TNA for pulling Angle from the main event. Angle was clearly injured and it was unnecessary for him to be in the match (when he wasn't even going to be involved in the outcome). Second, I have no problem with TNA waiting until the PPV to announce the decision. Angle wasn't the focal point of the main event (it was Joe vs. Steiner) and this wasn't a "blood match" that needed his involvement (if this was Lockdown, I would have wanted a replacement named beforehand). Hell, the "Deuces Wild" tournament was the main drawing point of the PPV and even the Women's Match had a better build. Furthermore, I applaud TNA for wanting to surprise the fans throughout the show in an attempt to make up for Angle's absence. From Booker's heel turn (which probably was already in the books) to Kaz's involvement in the main event, kudos to TNA for mixing things up and rewarding their loyal purchasers.
Score:2 for 3
---SWITCH~!---
4. You expect CM Punk to turn heel around or shortly after Judgment Day.
Jeff Small :FICTION. Why would Punk turn heel in the next few weeks? Sure he's been a lame duck for the last few weeks but unless there's a money feud that needs him as a heel, I don't see it happening. First, Punk is one of the few faces on the ECW brand. With so many heels on that show, he would get even more lost in the shuffle. Second, Punk is being used as one of the faces of WWE's new children objective. They couldn't possibly turn him heel if he's being targeted to the younger kids. What Punk needs is a fresh feud and a couple of wins (in essence, better booking), not necessarily, with a heel turn.
Aaron Hubbard :FACT. At least, he should. CM Punk is infinitely better as a heel. If WWE loosens the chain and lets him do his militant straightedge gimmick, it could be the best promos on WWE television since the Joey Styles "shoot". I love Punk, but with Kane the #1 babyface on ECW, Punk as a babyface won't go anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he took Kane's title at Judgment Day, honestly. Punk could easily become a top heel, with a great feud with Matt Hardy in the future before moving onto bigger things (RAW).
Score:2 for 4
5. Booking Kaz to win the Terror Dome as well as interjecting him into the main event will be the start of a more sustained push for him.
Jeff Small :FICTION. Where have I seen this before? Oh that's right, twice with Jay Lethal and once before with Kaz. I have been burned in the past believing that TNA will be pushing those wrestlers so I can't see anything changing now. Even with a multi-man King of the Mountain match, I cannot even see Kaz factoring into that match. Perhaps he will receive a larger push to the X-Division title, but that's not much of a reward for saving what could have been a train wreck triple threat main event.
Aaron Hubbard :FICTION. I would love to say Fact here, but I don't think so. TNA is pretty inept at this sort of thing, and honestly, I don't buy Kaz as a main event level threat anyway. Really, I'm surprised he isn't saddled with an "Antonio Banderas' long lost cousin" gimmick and feuding with Curry Man and "Maple leaf Muscle". Oh shoot, don't let Russo read this.... Let's hope I'm wrong, but I highly doubt that I am.
Score:3 for 5
6. Changing Saturday Night's Main Event to a one-hour format will end up helping the show quality.
Jeff Small :FICTION. I never thought that the two hour running time hurt the show's quality. The problem with SNME is that with so many PPVs on the books, it's tough to hype another event. The first revived SNME before Wrestlemania 22 had so much hype that I think it hurt the build to Wrestlemania. I think the WWE realized this and did not want to overshadow their upcoming PPVs which made both follow ups (especially the most recent one) very filler heavy (c'mon, the Freaks vs. the Uglies)! Perhaps the one-hour format will help the shows quality by reducing the filler but I think it's too early to tell if the show will be better than the last three.
Aaron Hubbard :FACT or FICTON. It all depends on how they were to book it. If they booked it with good matches and a few strong promos and minimal stupidity, it will be a great hour of wrestling. But I'm thinking it would be more likely to end up as an Impact special. Hate to cop out and not give a straight answer, but it really does depend on how they book it.
Score:3.5 for 6I hate you n00b.
7. Nick Hogan got off light, and deserved a harsher sentence.
Jeff Small:FICTION. In a world where the Lindsey Lohans, Paris's, and Britney's get off with slaps on the wrists all the time, it's actually refreshing to see a harsher sentence to a pseudo-celebrity. Eight months in jail (with five year probation) should hopefully scare him straight while 500 hours of community service should be put to good use. Throw in the fact that Nick has to live with his actions everyday and I think he has a fair sentence. If anything, I probably would have given him a little more jail time (at least four more months to another year).
Aaron Hubbard :FACT. Yes, he got off easy and no, he won't learn anything from the experience. The REAL FOF question should be, "We should give two shekels about Nick Hogan and whether or not he got a sufficient sentence." The answer...FICTION. I don't care about this punk, and we are only talking about him because he's Hulk's kid. Stupid things like this happen all the time...Niabout ck's really just a waste of this forum's time and our reader's time. Let's hope we don't get any more "news" for the next eight months.
These two finish 3.5 for 7! Come on back next week for more of 411 Fact or Fiction: Wrestling Edition!
lol @ these guys blasting the tna tag team tournament but then wanking off to the smackdown title chase.
Posted By: WWE marks. (Guest) on May 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
The thing I don't like about the Championship Chase is the Vickie is the boss. She could have just made Edge the opponent for the Undertaker. It was a waste of two hours.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Punk Straightedge Superstar vs Hardy Junkie Burnout is MONEY!!!! It practically writes itself. Hardy wins belt, huge moment fans are going crazy. Punk destroys tired Jeff. Cash in MITB, new champion. HUGE feud, the type that can change the business. But it doesn't involve HHH so its not happening.
Posted By: ThePhenom (Guest) on May 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I am totally convinced that there is a slight bias in the WWE's favor on this site. It may be subconcious or it may not be, but c'mon. That title chase and the whole stripping of the WT is just to let us know that UT and Edge will wrestle for the Title again? And you think this process is worth the outcome? Sure they've had good matches. I just think if TNA had done this, you guys would be blasting it. I think WWE deals out just as much stupidity at times as TNA. We just give the "E" a pass because of their tenure. I thought the deuces wild tournament was not necessary for LAX to be champs and I think it unnecessary to strip Taker then have this "Chase" the following week, only to put us right where we were before the stripping occurred? Just say the gogoplata is outlawed and if he uses it at JD he'll be DQ'd and lose the title. Simple. Why is this so obvious to me and no one else? I think we are a little backwards. We should be harder on the WWE when they feed us crap than we are on TNA. The E has been around for so long, they should know better than to give us garbage. That's why they've lost so many fans. TNA, though not totally excusable, is still an infant and is still learning. They've exceeded expectations, but they still do things wrong(like hiring Russo). They're much deeper in the learning process than the WWE so they should have more of a pass. But they need to cut the crap as well.
Posted By: Brady (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Aaron Hubbard should not have been allowed to participate in Fact or Fiction. He didn't watch Sacrifice so he has no business commentating on it. And apparently he didn't get the IWC memo that mentioning Vince Russo's name 50 times isn't cool anymore.
If this were a match I'd give his performance a DUD.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Lets just all pray that EDGE would win the belt....It would be a waste of time if Undertaker just won the title again.....I mean....why strip him in the first place if the belt is coming back to him anyway? This would be like the time when that same belt was on raw and it was vacated and just returned to HHH, who was the previous holder....it's like, just a way to increase the count of his world title reigns.....
Posted By: deeno (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM
as a follow up to my previous post, by returned I mean he was the guy who won the match for the vacant belt....
Posted By: deeno (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 12:22 AM
I have to agree with other posters. 411 often has people commenting on things they have not seen. The wrestling section is much better then the movies section. They do ForF on multiple films they wont see till DVD.
Posted By: hmm (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 01:43 AM
@Aaron Hubbard: FICTION. And a big fiction at that. I didn't watch the show
I stopped at "i didn't watch the show" !! That just voided you whole opinionon the ppv !!
Just out of curiosty who the hell did you want to win ? Super Eric and AJ Styles ?
Posted By: WTF (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 01:44 AM
I actually agree with The Phenom completely.
But the anti-smark smark anti-IWC IWC will bitch that Punk is overrated, since they've willfully never seen a moment of ROH. What is with this backlash against intelligence anyway?
Posted By: The REAL MP (Registered) on May 15, 2008 at 01:45 AM
the WWE is the largest company, with the most reach and a roster that is well known. it has been at or near the top of first run cable shows for years, runs 5 hours of first run programming 50 weeks a year and is publically traded.
i can see how covering the largest company in the business could seem like a bias, but if TNA or ROH had the scope that the WWE does then they would get the same exposure, i am sure.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered) on May 15, 2008 at 01:51 AM
If u actually read instead of criticizing u'd see that they made perfect sense sticking up for SD!'s tournament & not TNA's. They made the point that it was a PPV & should have released the names because u have to pay $40 to see it. It wasn't on FREE TV & that it comprised the last few weeks of television AND the Sacrifice PPV respectively. Which SD!'s tournament did none of since it was only a one night thing. So, if u listen they weren't just being critical of TNA because it's TNA.
However, Darth Mortis is right. that's exactly why there is bias on this site. (not that it's right but there is just not in this particular case)
deeno is pretty much right about the only thing it accomplishes if Taker wins is that he's a seven time champion (not that that's a bad thing)but Edge winning at this point would be a waste of losing to Taker at Mania just 2 get it back almost immediately. Simply put, the stripping of the title was lame either way for whoever wins. However, I won't be praying for Edge (Although I'm a big fan of his)... he's had the title enough lately & Taker deserves a decent title run for once.. Which once again the stripping of the title takes away from but honestly it was about creating controversy & ratings (Like Regal & Adamle on RAW & ECW respectively that same week) So it wasn't totally bogus.. It served its purpose! It got people talking & watching! So the door kind of swings both ways!
PEACE!
Posted By: THE BOMB! (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:26 AM
Darth Mortis.
Stop letting facts get in the way of a good arguement :)
Posted By: guernseydave (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:32 AM
Here's a "Fact or Fiction" for you guys.
Anyone with the name of "Scrotum Poles" must be heterosexually challeneged.
Posted By: Bill Apter's Posse (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:42 AM
..."pray that edge would win the belt" no thanks my god says dont put your dick in cheese its a bad thing for your dick deeno!!! hahahahaha
Posted By: john (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:56 AM
Commenting on Sacrifice when you haven't even seen it? That's lame, if you ask me. But that's fine, enjoy Undertaker vs Edge for the billionth time... I'm totally sure you've seen that.
Posted By: Huzzah! (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 03:19 AM
I agree with ThePhenom in regards to CM Punk cashing in his MITB case and kick starting a feud with Jeff Hardy.
1. Have Hardy and Jericho got at it for a while in order to give the belt more prestige.
2. After a short feud between Hardy and Jericho ( please don't draw it out like Matt and MVP) Jeff comes out happy and then here comes Punk to challenge.
This is cool because it reignites the mid card a la the Rock/HHH in the 90's and differs from the traditional all MITB winners going for the world title. Have Punk do his extreme straight Edge gimmick and Jeff could be the "I'mma cool junkie" guy
Posted By: Chamelio Salamander (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 03:32 AM
Whether Edge or Taker wins the belt at the PPV, I really hope the bookers manage to stumble onto another title contender. Yes, Edge and Taker have had great matches - but unless someone else is allowed to rise to their level, we'll be seeing the two of them on EVERY PPV from now on. Oh, yeah, and Edge's personal lapdog (Vickie).
Posted By: woody (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 04:28 AM
edge wins title at ppv punk cashes in mitb no way they let him beat taker but edge has always been a jobber in mainevent clothing
Posted By: ageoforton (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 05:32 AM
if they had vickie abuse her powers and just give edge the shot, you would all be complaining about it being the same old shit.
and the difference between the champion chase and deuces wild - the chase was little more than a basic tournament, deuces wild was just as contrived as everything else TNA does
Posted By: Guest#3961 (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 06:00 AM
And i love how people use "marks" as if they know what it means. you don't.
Posted By: Guest#7085 (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 06:02 AM
edge vs undertaker doesnt tell u about the match of the year..or how cool the match is gonna be..or how brilliant they r..it just tells u how pathetic smackdown is..smackdown has no other title contendars..thats 'fact' for u..lol..batista before armageddon went 18 straight ppvs in the main event..does that tell u something..another fact is that undertaker n edge fued has made smackdown a boring sh&*hol3..i hate the fact that talents like mvp,punk are doing nothing on smackdown..n im glad undertaker lost the title..i hope he gets sent to raw where atleast some fueds can gain some importance..n then smackdown will have edge vs batista..edge vs cm punk..edge vs mvp..n u can match the other names between too..i know that edge n undertaker have put on a hell of a show..well so can hhh n hbk battle each other for eternity n say the same thing..but thats not fact..thats fiction..coz u need to rotate ur roster around..so a lame point there..
cm punk heel turn?..gimme a break..i dont give a damn about his gimmick..i want to see him wrestle..i want to see him cash in his money in the bank and have a wrestling match for a world title..either raw or smackdown..everyone knows the ecw title is a fake title n isnt recognized by the pwi as a world title..cm punk has amazing in ring talent..n out of the ring talent as well..i think his attitude is totally fine the way it is..i dont care if he turns heel or not..all i care about is his wrestling..he looked amazing in the ring against edge..against y2j..against orton..i think the guy is well made for main event status..if undertaker leaves smackdown..or wwe..i believe wwe will improve ..n ppl like mvp kennedy jeffhardy n punk will rise
Posted By: sid (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 07:52 AM
I love how TNA marks try to bash everything WWE does. for fuck sake give the E some credit for actually putting on ppv's worth paying for!.
Posted By: DP (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 08:00 AM
Aaron Hubbard should be commended for not even trying to hide the fact that he's biased.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 08:09 AM
I think most people give WWE some leeway considering that's it's still around despite competition over the last 50 or so years and has managed to create tons of memorable moments and personas. Yeah, things might be questionable right now but with WWE reaching X amount of viwers and TNA reaching about X/4, some people are going to be a bit more concerned with TNA's mistakes than the WWE's simply because their lack of brand recognition doesn't afford them much slack.
Posted By: His Bubbliness (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 09:08 AM
the Championship Chase being a basic tournament......
riiiiight, because we've seen so many tournaments leading up to a battle royal! Contrived booking at its worst.
CM Punk won't turn heel due to the WWE's marketing initiative.
Posted By: Ryder (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 09:38 AM
To the Real MP. I've seen plenty of CM Punk's ROH stuff and that's why I think he's overrated.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 09:38 AM
The "Championship Chase" was Utterly Ridiculous, I can't believe that gets two Fictions. It puts Vickie The Evil GM above the world title as a priority, which is insane. NO BUYS!
Not announcing Angle being pulled was dishonest and deceptive. A lie of omission is still a lie. This is a company that has guys signing autographs and chatting with fans after shows, presumably because they want to build a positive relationship with their fan base. Then they waste any goodwill with this little stunt. How many extra buys did that get them versus what they'll lose in the future on fans not wanting to get burned again?
How could CM Punk even turn heel? He barely talks and has no popular ally to turn on for heat. We always get told a good heel feels justified in his actions, and there's no justification for Punk to be eeeeeevil.
SNME will be a throw away show. With 5 hours of weekly programming and so many PPV's they're shoe horning it in. It can't feel special unless they give away a couple big matches with clean finishes, which they won't do.
Posted By: Shockmaster2 (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 09:46 AM
Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Kaz is Antonio Banderas's long lost cousin!
Posted By: A.G. Awesome (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:01 AM
AHHHH!!! 7 questions in Fact or Fiction? Why didn't anyone tell me!! I don;t like change. And I actually think ThePhenom has a really good idea.
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM
"Running a one-night "Championship Chase" on Smackdown, only to have it lead to another Edge vs. Undertaker match was ridiculous. " that was the question
man, i wasn't a big fan of the deuces wild tournament but the question asks if the championship chase was ridiculous and IT WAS. Hey, let's strip taker so we can put him right back in the main-event....stupid, and on top off that let's make him face Edge AGAIN for a THIRD time in a row, Only to have Edge win because we feel like Taker needs to be a challenger instead of a champion. It goes both ways, if you're going to say that the deuces wild tourney was stupid then u have to say that the championship chase was stupid because it was. Like i said, while i didn't like the dueces wild tourney, TNA did let people know that the teams would be random BEFORE the ppv so people knew what was going on before they ordered it so there shouldn't be any complaning about that. Again i didn't like the dueces tourney or the championship chase
Posted By: cj (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Yeah, but, to be fair guys - TNA sucks.
And that tournament was stupid. I mean..."Random" teams? And none of them, NOT ONE, advance? WHAT'S THE POINT?!
At least the Smackdown tournament had a purpose...TNA just did it to have another dumbass gimmick on another stupid show.
Bias? No. SHOOT~!
Posted By: Peter Griffin (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM
someone said that stripping taker of the title caused contreversy....to me all it did was make me go through one of those moments that i've been feeling with tna and wwe lately, asking myself what did they do that for? That wasn't con troversy...CONTROVERSY is former wwf star Scott Hall walking into a wcw ring asking them if they want a war...that's controversy
Posted By: cj (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM
when is Trish coming back!!!
I LOVE WWE!!
411 MANIA ROCKS!!!!
Posted By: erin schneeder (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 10:41 AM
The title chase served its purpose extremely well, where as the deuce's wild tournment went on forever and eventually just gave us what TNA was telling us what we wanted thru promos and pre shot stuff. It set up Edge as the ulti-heel, it set up another great Edge v Taker match, it set up a future Batista v Edge feud. Plus watching Edge celebrate was priceless.
CM is a better heel IMO, the roh title reign of dishonor anyone? They should just bring in Ace and Colt and do a little Second City Saints, thats what ECW/Wrestling needs STABLES! I still don't know why they say F it and bring up a lot of the undersized talent they signed up and dump them into ECW and see what happens, copy the ROH formula and see if that spikes your ratings and if it does you go and steal more ROH talent, and if it doesn't who cares it's ECW no one is watching.
Posted By: Amp (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM
The stupid thing about the Dueces Wild Tourna ment was that all the "random" teams were guys that have been locked in a fued. How can you call it a random drawing if Sting/Storm, Booker/Roode, Morgan/James were all randomly chosen as partners; what are the odds of that. The decision to say it was random was stupid when all they could have done is put the teams together in the first place.None of the random teams moved on and did very little help the tournament. They could have easily had the fans vote or whatever and the reaction would have been the same. I like watching TNA but enough with all these gimmick matches and dull obvious booking that will get you no farther than where you were a week before. The funny thing is that I haven't read anything about the coupling of the wrestlers. Usually the IWC would shit all over it.
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 11:08 AM
It's like I said earlier, TNA's tag tournament was a bad idea, but at least it got the tag titles on the right team. The WWE chase got us right back where we were before the stripping of UT, so what was the point of the chase? Vicky abuses her power again and edge takes advantage. Same old stuff. BOTH OF THESE IDEAS WERE CRAP! How can you justify the "Chase" if you're back at square one? It was ridiculous just like the tag tournament. How can anyone argue the contrary? Now, if Big Show or anyone not named Batista or Edge would have won, i would be singing their praises because the umpredictability of the Chase would have gotten us an unpredictable challenger. I think Big show would have been perfect for this. I think him and taker would be much better and more intriguing at this point. Ask yourself this question. What would cause more ripples right now, Taker getting the belt back, Edge becoming champ again, or Big Show, a fresh face and proven star winning the Title for the first time since he beat Brock about five years ago? You can have edge cost taker and set up a Hell in a Cell Match between them. This would make for a perfect time to raise a new #1 contender in John Morrison. Have him Chavo and Batista in a triple threat Match with JM winning via tactics and have him face Show. He doesn't have to win the belt, but it gives you a new main event challenger. Or bring Umaga over and have him attack show and start a program together. That's fresh stuff guys! Aren't we tired of seeing the same things?
Posted By: Brady (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I might be the only one but I actually bought Sacrafice because of Deuces Wild Tournament and the Knockout match. Just because of the unknown factor. Seeing the main event was highly predictable on who would come out the victor.
The only thing I was kind of disappointed about the tournament was the fact no random team made it past first round. Other than that. I actually enjoyed the whole ppv. It might not have been a memorable ppv but for the 3 hours I watched it. I really enjoyed the action.
Posted By: Sean (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:02 PM
I love how TNA marks bitch about WWE putting on matches on 2 or 3 PPVs in a row. Like TNA isn't guilty of doing this? The first 3 Angle-Joe matches were on 3 PPVs in a row. How many PPVs in a row did we get stuff like Eric Youn vs Robert Roode, Angle vs Cage, Bookker vs Roode, Sting vs Abyss and so on? Don't be a bunch of hypocrites and bashing WWE for doing something TNA does as well.
Posted By: Rob Z (Registered) on May 15, 2008 at 02:10 PM
I don't think the Smackdown title chase can be good simply because it was better then the TNA Deuces wild tournament. That's false logic. That is like saying a stick of celery is a good meal because there are people starving in the world.
Sorry but the Smackdown title chase was nothing but a stick of celery.
Posted By: Fenris (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Shockmaster2 asks, "How could CM Punk even turn heel...We always get told a good heel feels justified in his actions, and there's no justification for Punk to be eeeeeevil."
Punk may look like the complete opposite of what a heel is supposed to be at the current moment, the guy is straightedge, he has no viable face opponents, and he clicks with the fans (I get your point). However, if you look back at some of Punk's early heel work he plays the role soooo well. He takes his "Straightedge" persona to another level. He puts down everyone else for not living his "virtuous" lifestyle. And overall, he basically calls himself better than everyone else. So I think he would be justified by turning.
Posted By: The GT Shaman (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Dueces Wild was a car crash of an idea - te only firstround match that was any good was Eric/Styles vs BG/Kong, shocking considering how bizare the participants. The Booker T heel turn just didn't work either, it was too quick.
As for the Kaz push - 100% agree that he won't get it, but I'll say this, he was the star of the Triple Threat Main Event. Kaz busted his arse (I'm British, deal with it) and made Steiner look good. Sadly, I think the Main Event made Joe look like he was coasting, something I didn't expect from a guy who used to work bloody hard.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 03:12 PM
"if undertaker leaves smackdown..or wwe..i believe wwe will improve"
Now Taker is what's holding down the WWE... A few years ago, it was HHH, then it was Cena & now Taker is the problem. Why? because he's gotten the title twice in the past 2 years (because of injury mind u) U know how stupid that sounds regardless of the reason... Taker is without doubt 1 of the most important parts of the WWE today. He's the most over guy on the roster. So let me get this straight ur suggestion is CM Punk? Yea, That makes the title look strong... giving it to a guy who jobs once a week. Yea, Save us CM Punk... Add jobbing power to the World Title. Ur much better for business than the most over guy on the roster.. Get real & get a life! When CM Punk starts winning matches then we can have this discussion & when Taker isn't capable of putting on GREAT matches with Edge, Batista, HHH, etc then we can have this discussion.
"someone said that stripping taker of the title caused contreversy....to me all
it did was make me go through one of those moments that i've been feeling with
tna and wwe lately, asking myself what did they do that for?"
That was the answer... Controversy & Ratings. Whether it worked or not for u is one thing but that's exactly what is was for & it did work on the major scale of things. (The not so smart fans were watching) It wasn't exactly my idea of what controversy is either but it was none the less to create CONTROVERSY!
PEACE!
Posted By: THE BOMB! (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Amp says that The title chase served its purpose extremely well, where as the deuce's wild
tournment went on forever and eventually just gave us what TNA was telling us
what we wanted thru promos and pre shot stuff. Wow, Vickie strips Taker, Puts him back in the main-event, announces the tournament, then says that Edge is last person in the battle royal. You're telling me that the wwe didn't tell us what we wanted through PRE-SHOT STUFF? Boy, i really thought batista had a chance when edge came running down the ramp. I didn't like the dueces wild tourney and i didn't like the championship chase
Posted By: cj (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 04:37 PM
"Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks Kaz is Antonio Banderas's long lost
cousin!"
I always thought he looked like Julian McMahon myself.
Posted By: Jase (Guest) on May 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Whether you think that the Championship Chase or the Deuces Wild Tournament were better, the fact is WWE's was on a television show and TNA made you pay for the obvious conclusion. Therefor, Championship Chase > Deuces Wild.
Posted By: G-Walla (Guest) on May 17, 2008 at 10:02 PM
