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The Piledriver Report 5.14.08: What is Wrestling’s Greatest Feud/Rivalry of All-Time
Posted by Ronny Sarnecky on 05.14.2008



This weekend, Major League Baseball presents this season's first batch of Interleague games. As part of Interleague play, the fans get to see a handful of Interleague rivalries. Met vs. Yankees, Angels vs. Dodgers, and the Reds vs. Indians make up the first cross-town match-ups of the year. The geographic locations of these teams, along with the hype of the local media have turned these contests from ordinary games into nail biting rivalries.

Every sport is filled with great rivalries. In professional football, there are a countless number of rivalries. Every team in the NFC East are fierce rivals with each other. The Raiders are bitter enemies of the Kansas City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos. The New York Jets have tense battles against the Miami Dolphins and the New England Patriots. Speaking of the Patriots, their biggest rival today is the Indianapolis Colts.

In the National Basketball Association, the Spurs and Mavericks are rivals. Detroit and the Bulls once were bloodthirsty enemies, as were the Michael Jordan led Bulls against the Knicks. In the early part of this decade, the Lakers and the Sacramento Kings were bitter rivals. Perhaps the greatest rivalry in basketball history is the Lakers against the Celtics.

Hockey has its share of feuds as well. The Rangers against the Islanders, Devils, and Flyers always seems to draw blood. In the late 90s, the Red Wings and Avalanche were fierce rivals.

One of the greatest arguments in sports is which rivalry is the greatest rivalry in the history of sports. Red Sox vs. Yankees? Bears vs. Packers? Buckeyes vs. Wolverines? Florida State vs. Miami? University of North Carolina vs. Duke? Steelers vs. Raiders? Giants vs. 49ers?

The same argument could be made in the arena of sports entertainment. Who had the greatest rivalry/feud in professional wrestling? Top feuds today would include Edge vs. the Undertaker, Edge vs. Batista, Edge vs. John Cena, Batista vs. the Undertaker, John Cena vs. Randy Orton, John Cena vs. Triple H, Triple H vs. Randy Orton, and Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle.

Some of the greatest feuds in wrestling history include: Bruno Sammartino vs. Larry Zybyszko. Tommy Rich vs. Buzz Sawyer. Jerry Lawler vs. Eddie Gilbert. Jerry Lawler vs. Randy Savage. Ric Flair vs. Dusty Rhodes. Ric Flair vs. Harley Race. Ric Flair vs. Lex Luger. Ric Flair vs. Sting. Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich. Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer. TAZ vs. Sabu. Sandman vs. Raven. Sandman vs. Tommy Dreamer. Dusty Rhodes vs. Kevin Sullivan. Dusty Rhodes vs. Harley Race. Ric Flair vs. Roddy Piper. Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant. Hulk Hogan vs. Nick Bockwinkel. Hulk Hogan vs. Iron Sheik. Hulk Hogan vs. Paul Orndorff. Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy. Hulk Hogan vs. Roddy Piper. Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage. Hulk Hogan vs. Sting. Roddy Piper vs. Jimmy Snuka. Roddy Piper vs. Greg Valentine. Sting vs. Lex Luger. Sting vs. Vader. Rick Rude vs. the Ultimate Warrior. Randy Savage vs. the Ultimate Warrior. Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat. Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase. Randy Savage vs. Jake Roberts. Magnum TA vs. Nikita Koloff. Greg Valentine vs. Tito Santana. Tito Santana vs. Don Muraco. Jimmy Snuka vs. Don Muraco. Iron Sheik vs. Sgt Slaughter. Don Muraco vs. Ricky Steamboat. Ricky Steamboat vs. Rick Rude. Tully Blanchard vs. Dusty Rhodes. Tully Blanchard vs. Magnum TA. Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar. Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit. Kurt Angle vs. The Rock. Kurt Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero. Mick Foley vs. The Rock. Mickey Foley vs. the Undertaker. Mick Foley vs. Steve Austin. Mick Foley vs. Edge. Mick Foley vs. Randy Orton. Mick Foley vs. Vader. Shawn Michaels vs. Diesel. Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon. Shawn Michaels vs. Bret Hart. Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin. Shawn Michaels vs. Steve Austin. Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho. Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle. Bret Hart vs. Curt Henning. Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna. Bret Hart vs. Diesel. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair.

Great feuds were not just relegated to the singles ranks. Pro wrestling's tag team division was loaded with classic rivalries. There was the Midnight Express vs. the Rock and Roll Express. The Midnight Express vs. the Fantastics. The Midnight Express vs. Tully Blanchard/Arn Anderson. The Road Warriors vs. Tully Blanchard/Arn Anderson. The Road Warriors vs. the Sky Scrapers. The Von Erichs vs. the Fabulous Freebirds. The Steiner Brothers vs. DOOM. Steiner Brothers vs. the Midnight Express. The British Bulldogs vs. the Hart Foundation. Strike Force vs. the Hart Foundation. The Nasty Boys vs. the Hart Foundation. Demolition vs. the Road Warriors. The Hardys vs. Edge/Christian. The Hardys vs. the Dudleys. The Dudleys vs. Edge/Christian. Ricky Steamboat/Jay Youngblood vs. the Minnesota Wrecking Crew. The Dudleys vs. the Eliminators. The Eliminators vs. Rob Van Dam/Sabu. The Midnight Rockers vs. Doug Somers/Buddy Rose. The Four Horsemen vs. Dusty Rhodes, the Road Warriors, and a combination of Nikita Koloff/Magnum TA/Barry Windham/Lex Luger.

What makes a great feud/rivalry? There are several factors into what turns a feud from a normal battle and into a legendary war. The first ingredient you need are two workers that the fans care about seeing who are on the same level as each other. If you give us a feud between Randy Orton and John Cena, we tend to be more interested then if the WWE presented a feud between Triple H and Snitsky. The fans could believe the storyline if either Orton or Cena comes out of their feud the victor. However, how many people would honestly believe that Snitsky would have a prayer against Triple H. There is an exception. The exception is if a new wrestler arrives into a company, and the promoter wants him to beat an established star to elevate the new wrestler. A great example of this would be when the 1-2-3 Kid upset Razor Ramon on RAW when he first started out in the WWF.

The second factor has to include one moment between the two that strikes anger in one of the participants, giving them a motive to fight the other. This action has to be so vial and reprehensible that the fans remember the incident for years to come. People still talk about the Piper's Pit segment where Roddy Piper smashed Jimmy Snuka in the head with a coconut. Another example is when Shawn Michaels ended his tag team partnership with Marty Jannety by throwing him through a plate glass window on the Barber Shop. There could even be a moment during a match that ignites this fire, like the time that the Road Warriors turned on Dusty Rhodes in a six man tag team match, and drove a spike into the "American Dream's" eye.

Another element that turns a feud into a classic rivalry is that each man must feel that they are fighting for something they believe in. When Hulk Hogan was feuding with Andre the Giant in 1987, he wanted Andre's hide, because Andre attacked him on Piper's Pit. Andre felt that he was justified in his actions, because he believed that Hogan was ducking his for the three years that he held the WWF World title. During the brutal war between the Iron Sheik and Sgt. Slaughter in 1984, each men fought the other due to the pride they felt towards their home country. The Iron Sheik believed that Iran was number one. Whereas, Sgt. Slaughter was firm in his stance that the United States of American was the greatest country on Earth.

A great feud must also have either a memorable match, or a memorable moment within a match to be considered a legendary feud. The promos leading up the each Bret Hart/Steve Austin match were great. However, what really makes their feud stand out is the match they had at WrestleMania 13. Who can forget the image of Steve Austin bleeding profusely while "passing out" from the pain of Bret's sharpshooter leg lock. Just as memorable was the double turn between the "Hitman" and "Stone Cold" shortly after the contest.

Another memorable moment during a match that emphasized, not only their feud, but created one of the great WrestleMania moments, was when Hulk Hogan bodyslammed Andre the Giant. While the two would go on to fight on the first "The Main Event" prime time broadcast, as well as at WrestleMania IV, it was their WrestleMania III clash, and Hulk Hogan's body slam that will be forever etched in the fans' minds when remembering the feud between Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant.

When it comes to feuds that were brought to a higher level due to the participants having a classic match, there are several that fit this bill. Shawn Michaels battled Razor Ramon in a ladder match at WrestleMania X. This match had historical significance, as people were awakened with the realization that Shawn Michaels could be a main event performer. The match also became the predecessor to future TLC and Money in the Bank matches that would thrill the fans for years to come. Perhaps the one feud that was kicked off due to the participants having a great match had to be Sting vs. Ric Flair. The two battled against each other at the very first Clash of the Champions in 1988. They fought in a classic 45-minute draw. The match put Sting on the map. It also gave Ric Flair his greatest rival of the decade of the 1990s. After their classic battle, they had several other high profile matches, including Starrcade 1989, the Great American Bash 1990, and they wrestled against each other on the final Nitro in 2001.

The final element of a historic feud is longitivity. Most classic feuds do not have a short life span. Most of the great rivalries in the sports history usually last several months, if not years. When Tommy Rich battled "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer for the NWA Georgia National Title, their feud lasted close to two years and culminated in 1983 in the "Last Battle of Atlanta," which featured Sawyer and Rich in a fully enclosed, Last Man Standing cage match. Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant's war in the late eighties lasted almost two years. Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair battled on and off for almost a decade.

When you take all of these factors into account, which participants were involved in the greatest feud/rivalry in professional wrestling history? For me, the answer is easy. I believe Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair fought in the greatest feud of all-time.

Take a look at how the two match up to the criteria that was previously presented. When the two first began to feud in 1977, Ric Flair was in the business for only 5 years, and Ricky Steamboat was in the industry for one. While you wouldn't consider a rookie on the same level as an established star, the early days of their feud follows the 1-2-3 Kid/Razor Ramon exception. By feuding, and beating Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat immediately established himself as a performer to be taken seriously, so serious that he won Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Rookie of the Year award in 1977.

To set up their first feud, a the end of May 1977, Steamboat was brought out during the beginning of a Mid-Atlantic TV show by Jim Crockett to tell the viewing audience that Ricky was leading the early voting by a "landslide" for NWA Wrestler of the Year 1977-Under 25 Division. A rookie as winning the Wrestler of the Year award. That was unheard of. This did not sit well with Ric Flair. Ric Flair and his partner, Greg Valentine, interrupted Ricky Steamboat's first TV interview. They told him that he was "in the champion's corner, not for punks." Instead of fighting against uneven odds, the future "dragon" walked away. On June 11th, Ric Flair pulled the same stunt. Instead of walking away, Steamboat hit Flair with a chop to the head, "knocking him out." Flair returned at the end of the show, angered, and challenged Steamboat to a match next week where Flair would put up his Mid-Atlantic Television title.

To set up their series of matches in 1989, on the January 14th edition of World Championship Wrestling on TBS Jim Ross interviewed NWA World Champion Ric Flair, NWA US Champion Barry Windham, & JJ Dillon. Eddie Gilbert interrupted and said he had found someone to be his partner if Flair & Windham would agree to face them the following week. Dillon agreed as long as it wasn't Lex Luger. On January 21st, Eddie Gilbert announced his surprise tag team partner as Ricky Steamboat. Together, they beat NWA World Champion Ric Flair & NWA US Champion Barry Windham when Steamboat pinned Flair with a gorilla press slam and crossbody off the top rope. After the commercial break, Jim Ross and Tony Schiavone interviewed the victors, Steamboat let it be known that he was on a quest to win the NWA World title. Moments later, Flair, Windham, and Dillon returned ringside, confronted Steamboat, and argued they lost because they weren't prepared to face him.

The second factor for a great feud was to have that special moment where one participant gets angered by the other. The bookers gave us two moments to set up this feud. First, there was Ric Flair antagonizing Ricky Steamboat as not being in his league. The second came when Steamboat couldn't take it any more, and pummeled the "Nature Boy." This led to Ric Flair wanting revenge, and issued the challenge to Ricky Steamboat for the title match.

Steamboat's surprise appearance and pin of Ric Flair in his return match in 1989 helped to give Ric Flair the motivation to be angered enough by Ricky Steamboat that Factor #2 was accomplished. However, it would be on the following week's show when Flair's anger towards Steamboat would take off. To prepare for his upcoming title match against Ric Flair, Steamboat held a public workout where he sparred against Dustin Rhodes, Bob Cook, and Ric Diamond. During the segment, Flair joined the commentary team, and then slapped Steamboat in the face and assaulted him. Steamboat would once again get the upper hand by hitting a gorilla press slam, ripping Flair's shirt off, and sending him to the arena floor.

On June 15th, 1977, Ricky Steamboat beat Ric Flair for the Mid-Atlantic TV title. While Flair and Valentine attacked Steamboat after the match, their feud would eventually take on a new meaning. Eventually, they became equals in the fans eyes, and their own, as well. They had a measure of respect for each other, and their matches were to decide who was the best. Ric Flair thought he was the best. Ricky Steamboat believed he was the better man. Their feud reached stage three. They both were fighting for their pride, as each believed they were the best.

Throughout their careers, Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat was not only about who was the better wrestler. Their rivalry was also about championships. Since beating Ric Flair for the NWA Mid Atlantic Television title Steamboat and Flair would battle for all different types of wrestling championships. On August 22nd, 1977, Ricky Steamboat and his partner Paul Jones defeated Ric Flair and Greg Valentine for the Mid-Atlantic Tag Team titles. On October 21st, 1977, Steamboat beat Flair for the NWA (Mid Atlantic) United States Heavyweight championship. Ric Flair, along with John Studd would go on to drop the NWA Mid Atlantic Tag Team titles to Ricky Steamboat and Paul Jones on August 5, 1978. Flair and Studd would go on to regain the Mid-Atlantic tag straps from Steamboat and Jones on October 30th, 1978. A few days later, Steamboat and Paul Jones regained the belts on November 5th, 1978. Ricky Steamboat won the NWA (Mid Atlantic) United States Heavyweight title for the second time by defeating Ric Flair on December 18th, 1978. He would drop the NWA (Mid Atlantic) United States Heavyweight title back to Ric Flair on April 1st, 1979.

When Ric Flair captured the NWA World Heavyweight Championship in September 1981, Ricky Steamboat was one of Flair's top contenders during the early part of 1982. Unlike his previous success at beating Ric Flair for championship belts, the NWA World title would elude him. That would be until he made his return to the NWA in 1989, following a stint in the WWF and taking some time off from the business. Steamboat would finally win the NWA World title, beating Ric Flair on February 20, 1989 at Chi-Town Rumble. Ric Flair would regain the belt from Steamboat at Wrestle War on May 7th, 1989. In 1994, the two would battle at Spring Stampede on April 17th for the WCW World title. The match ended with both men pinning each other's shoulders for a draw. On the next WCW Saturday Night television tapings, Ric Flair pinned Ricky Steamboat to win the held up WCW World Title. I believe this is the final match between the two rivals.

While Ric Flair has stated that Steamboat and himself had their best matches while wrestling each other on house show cards, it can not be denied that the two performers had arguably the best series of televised matches during 1989. Ricky Steamboat's NWA World title victory over Ric Flair at that February's Chi-Town Rumble pay per view, their April rematch at the Clash of the Champions show on TBS, and their final pay per view encounter of the year on June's Wrestle War where Ric Flair regained the strap, each garnered 5 stars. If ever there was a series of matches the embodied Rule#4 in becoming a legendary feud, the Flair/Steamboat matches in 1989 cemented their place in history.

The final factor to becoming a classic feud was longitivity. Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat began the rivalry in 1977. They had their final match in April 1994. Their rivalry lasted 17 years. When it comes to longitivity, Flair vs. Steamboat definitely fits the criteria, and more, of what a long classic feud should be. I can't think of any other rivalry in wrestling history that lasted as long as Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat against the "Nature Boy" Ric Flair.

While there have been thousands and thousands of feuds throughout professional wrestling over the last fifty years, none can match the intensity, competitiveness, and magic that Flair vs. Steamboat provided the fans for almost twenty years. There have been other classics wars by many different individuals. I'm sure you could probably list a bunch off of the top of your head. You can keep them. I'll take Flair vs. Steamboat as the greatest feud/rivalry of all-time.


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Where's Kobashi/Misawa, Joe/Homicide, Credible/Dreamer, Hero/Quackenbush, Tiger Mask/Dynamite?

Posted By: gtgm615 (Guest)  on May 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM

 
 
They probably are not there as no one cares about them :)

Posted By: Matt P (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM

 
 
CM Punk/Samoa Joe?

Posted By: Guest#9956 (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM

 
 
No mention of the greatest rivalry in the greatest era in wrestling history?

Posted By: Strigga (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM

 
 
Not even mentioning nWo vs WCW is kind of odd.

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:54 AM

 
 
Or... Eric Bischoff vs Vince McMahon (WCW vs WWF)

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:54 AM

 
 
Raven/Dreamer.

Posted By: Shaun (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:56 AM

 
 
I'd say austin/mcmahon did decent business...

Posted By: derek (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:57 AM

 
 
This is mostly about Flair/Steamboat. Did you guys just read the paragraph where he (very flippantly) listed some of the greatest rivalries and decide to bitch about what was missing? Be honest, little bitches.

Posted By: The REAL MP (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 01:33 AM

 
 
what about Taker vs HBK, they ben rivals for over 10 years now! they showed they still glot great charisma in last years royal rumble and could easily end up in opposite ends of the ring imn the near future and giveus more classics

Posted By: Ian (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 01:58 AM

 
 
In my near 20 years of watching 'rassling nothing has ever quite had the same effect on me as the Savage/Roberts feud from the early 1990s.

This was brilliantly booked. The feud was close to 3 and 1/2 months old before they even had their first match. From late August - early December it was all build up. The result was that although their first match was an average effort by that point you didn't care about the quality of the match, you just wanted to see them get it on. It's one of the few feuds that's turned me back into a mark and a lot of todays current feuds could take notes from this one about how it should be done.

Too many PPVs spoil the broth and 4 weeks between a feud starting and the first match occuring just doesn't cut it imho.


Posted By: Rocker Dropper (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 01:58 AM

 
 
i am a huge flair mark.
but austin/bret was insane. people only remember their match at wm13. they had a feud that nearly lasted a year. the promos were filled with deep hatred and the matches were very intense. also people forget that austin lost nearly all the time (except a street fight where bret needed time off for his knee).

as for tag team, steiners vs the miracle violence connection(dr.death/terry gordy) was the greatest display of total pure wrestling i ever seen.


Posted By: rey (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 02:05 AM

 
 
I don't think the flair/steamboat rivalry is the best just because it's the longest, that'd be like saying that The Fabolous Moolah is the greatest champion of all time, cause of her 25 year reign.

The best rivalrys, are the ones that produce the best matches, I think the Steen/Generico rivalry with the Briscoes is the best one in recent memory, cause it produced the best matches bar none within the past few years.

You watch the matches they had on ROH DVD's such as Driven, Death Before Dishonor V night one and two, caged rage, manhattan mayem II and ESPECIALLY the Ladder War from MAN UP.......

nothing WWE has done in 10 years can top those matches.

ROHBOT or not, it's the facts. Look up the ratings on the net for those matches if you don't believe me, ***1/2-***** EVERY TIME


Posted By: Chris (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 02:12 AM

 
 
Austin vs McMahon. End of disccusion.

Posted By: WTF? (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 02:43 AM

 
 
as WTF said. austin v mcmahon. probably what saved the WWE

Posted By: Ben (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 03:07 AM

 
 
Austin vs Hart was good too

Posted By: Drum Solo (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 03:41 AM

 
 
Flair vs Steamboat is great and all for match quality that is about it. Horsemen vs Dusty or Midnight vs Rock n Roll Express where far better as actual Fueds than this I am sorry.

Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 03:53 AM

 
 
"longitivity"

I believe the word you're looking for is "longevity".


Posted By: Anonymous Smart Mark (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 04:20 AM

 
 
Bret - Austin for me due the fact they had 2 classic, some other good matches, it had some great promos & it lasted about 10 months & never got boring.

Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 05:19 AM

 
 
Austin vs McMahon was an awsome fued that did amazing business but I'd take Dusty vs IV Horsemen and Dreamer vs Raven any day.

Posted By: Angry_Stoner (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:01 AM

 
 
Tommy Rich vs. Buzz Sawyer. Von Erichs vs. Freebirds. Lawler vs. Rich and Austin Idol.

THOSE were FEUDS

Anything else is just a "program".


Posted By: David Burcham (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:40 AM

 
 
We all have our favourites but mine would be

Rock/Austin, Benoit/Jericho,
Michaels/Angle

They had everything a great feud needs in my eyes..


Posted By: one-man-posse (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:45 AM

 
 
* A legendary feud must contain one classic match/moment: Austin/McMahon had plenty of moments, but hardly lead to a great match between them

* Two workers must be on the same level: And they weren't. People really thought Vince would beat Austin in a match?

Read the article, THEN bitch about your favourite feud not being mentioned. Using the criterion in the article, Austin/McMahon pales in comparison to Steamboat/Flair. Great article, Ronny


Posted By: mr_wishart (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 08:32 AM

 
 
gee, you'd think there wasn't a world outside america.

Posted By: joel (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:08 AM

 
 
you airballed on biggest rivalry of all time. Austin/McMahon is easily the biggest. While McMahon wasn't a wrestler he still competed in many a match against austin and their fued was THE storyline of the late nineties.

Posted By: stronelis (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:13 AM

 
 
"CM Punk/Samoa Joe?"

Dream on..


Posted By: Propagandhi (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:42 AM

 
 
ROFLMAO at HHH/SuperCena even getting mentioned at all.

Posted By: YouStayClassy (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:44 AM

 
 
Sting/Flair? it lasted nearly 15 years.

Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:53 AM

 
 
Don't forget Buzz Sawyer vs Tommy Rich in the 80's!!!

Posted By: Dorado (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 09:59 AM

 
 
what about santino vs rodney the piper

Posted By: bigghummus (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 10:01 AM

 
 
The best rivalrys, are the ones that produce the best matches, I think the
Steen/Generico rivalry with the Briscoes is the best one in recent memory,
cause it produced the best matches bar none within the past few years.

You watch the matches they had on ROH DVD's such as Driven, Death Before
Dishonor V night one and two, caged rage, manhattan mayem II and ESPECIALLY the
Ladder War from MAN UP.......

nothing WWE has done in 10 years can top those matches.

if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there does it make a sound? if Steen/Generico wrestle the Briscoes and no one is there to see it does anyone care?

Nothing WWE has done in the last 10 years can top those matches? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

sorry but I'll take Benoit/Angle from the Rumble, Austin/HHH 2/3 falls at No Mercy, HBK's return match vs HHH, Benoit/Jericho vs Austin/HHH from Raw over those Steen/Generico matches. not to mention my personal favorite match in the last 5 or so years, the X-Division 3-way between Joe/Daniels/Styles. damn that ROH koolaid is almost as strong as Paul Heyman's!


Posted By: Jake_Fury (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 10:02 AM

 
 
OWEN VS. BRET! Bret vs. HBK and Taz vs. Sabu deserve some mentions too.

Posted By: Doakes (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 10:10 AM

 
 
Cena vs Triple H????

You've got to be kidding me.


Here is a list of real feuds...

Hogan - Savage
Hogan - Sting
Bret Hart - Steve Austin
Bret Hart - Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin - Vince McMahon
Steve Austin vs The Rock
The Rock vs Triple H
WCW - nWo


Posted By: Kevin (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM

 
 
Where the hell was Austin/McMahon. That is the greatest fued. Period.

Posted By: Bobby (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM

 
 
Austin/Rock without a doubt. I would not consider either of these guys as my favourites, but their rivalry was incredible. Amazing business, Amazing matches, amazing promos. The fact that one of the best raw moments consists of two guys standing in the ring singing songs to each other speaks volumes to how talented these men are. The Wrestling industry has still not recovered from their departures.

Posted By: Bobby (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 11:17 AM

 
 
Flair & Steamboat didn't fued from 1977 to 1989. That's 2 seperate fueds. I agree with one of the previous posters, they had great matches, but it wasn't a great fued. Steamboat / Savage and Flair / Rhodes were better fueds for the individual wrestlers. The ultimate gauge in fueds is how many asses it puts in the seats. Do I want to pay to see these 2 resolve their issues and I wanted to see Steamboat kick Savages ass after Savage rammed that bell into his neck and choked him with his belt. I sat in the upper deck of an arena and watched WMIII on closed circuit and still cheered like crazy. The 4 horsemen broke Dusty's ankle after Dusty came in to help Flair. I lived in the midwest at the time but wanted to hitchike or steal my parents car and drive to the Omni in Atlanta and see Rhodes get his revenge. Those were great fueds.

Posted By: ghost of Marlon Brando (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM

 
 
I agree that Steamboat/Flair had all the markings of a brilliant rivalry. You are definetly less likely to see a fued like that in a federation today.

But a fued I remember more distinctly than any other is HBK/Hart, only because this is a rivalry that trancended wrestling. It was and still is a real life rivalry between 2 of te greatest ever. They put on incredible matches, been apart of some of the greatest moments in wrestling history and were apart of the defining moment that started the Attitude Era.


Posted By: Susan (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM

 
 
I am so sick of the IWC and this boner you have for this bum Flair.

Listening to you marks, wrestling began and ended with Flair.

Let's tell it like it is for once. The only reason why Flair was a success was because he was a big fish in a tiny pond.

C'mon, look at the guys the NWA had during the 80's. Fat Dusty Rhodes, The Russian Koloff (oh yeah, southern fans were really gonna get behind a ROOSKIE as champ), that midget Ricky Morton, Lex Loser, etc.

The NWA/WCW produced only one real star, Sting. There was no one else to really challenge Flair as The Man.

Had this clown gone to the WWF in the mid 80's, he would have been on par with Randy Savage. No insult there. Flair would have been a great one, two-time IC champ and probably would have had a couple of title runs with the big gold. He probably would have had a classic feud with Chico Santana.

And that would be it.

Yeah, he had some good matches with the Dragon, but guess what: if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, IT DON'T MEAN SHIT!!!

Wow, performing in front of the South's finest toothless may have been great and all, but the matches that were really great were the ones a huge number of people saw. Bryan Danielson vs. any indy star of your choice could be having having the feud, match of the year right now and it wouldn't matter.

If it didn't happen in the 'E it's like it never happened at all.

Flair was ok, but to make him out to be this super god is a joke.

The greatest feud of all time was Austin/McMahon. Their rivalry built up many stars (Kane, Foley, Rock, H) and was the hottest thing without them fighting. That's awesome.

Please, knock off all this Flair bunk. It's pathetic.


Posted By: Pukin' Like Droz (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:21 PM

 
 
If the best feud is about giving the best matches, then Flair/Steamboat is up there for 1vs1 feuds.

I personally liked the Hardy/E&C/Dudley feud for tag stuff though. The stuff they came up with was unbelievable.


Posted By: Stax (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM

 
 
GLACIER VS MORTIS !

Posted By: Gregpac (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM

 
 
I'll freely admit - I'm a child of the Attitude Era. I grew up on Austin vs. McMahon and Austin vs. Rock, and I do also believe that their rivalries at least helped put WWE back on top.

But in the much broader context of the history of professional wrestling, I think a damn strong argument was made here for Steamboat/Flair. I always hear about these spectacular 45-60 minute, five star matches...I'm very, very curious to see them. Actually, you'd think that since Flair and Steamboat are both on good terms with Vince, and he owns all that Crockett/WCW footage, that a Flair vs. Steamboat DVD, or perhaps even as part of a bigger "greatest rivalries" type of collection would be a no-brainer. I'd buy it in a second.

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe someday.


Posted By: BJC (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM

 
 
People like droz and anyone who says Austin/McMahon was the best feud needs to be dragged out into the street and shot!

That piece of crap you WWE fanboys call a feud was the beneficiary of the Attitude era hype machine that was the WWF at the time. The matches sucked, and decent promos alone doesn't make it a real feud.

If the NWA/WCW was such a small pond, then why did it beat your precious WWF in the ratings for almost two years? People like Flair are what made this business, go an actually watch his matches some time instead of sucking on Vince's dick every time you saw a Hulk Hogan match thinking the pyros and hype made it a 5* classic!

His feud with Steamboat, Dusty Rhodes and Sting were the stuff of legends.

The only good feuds the WWF/E every did were the ones involving either Mick Foley or HBK. All other were the product of Vince's hype machine!


Posted By: Orlando (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 02:12 PM

 
 
"Where's Kobashi/Misawa, Joe/Homicide, Credible/Dreamer, Hero/Quackenbush, Tiger
Mask/Dynamite?"

Wrestling in some 30 seat arena somewhere.


Posted By: Dominick (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 02:59 PM

 
 
Just for kicks - these are the ones I remember.

WWF/WWE: Hogan/Savage, Piper/Snuka and Austin/Bret
NWA/WCW: Flair/Dusty Sting/Luger
Others: Freebirds/Von Erichs, Lawler/Kaufman


Posted By: BobbyC (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 03:07 PM

 
 
No Bunkhouse Bunk/Dustin
Rhodes? Gay.


Posted By: murph (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 04:44 PM

 
 
ABSOLUTELY has to be Hart/Michaels.

Look at this entire storyline; not just on camera, but in reality. This is the most controversial feud wrestling has seen and has had a huge impact on the careers of both Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels; and an even bigger impact on wrestling as a whole.

As a wrestling fan you are either an HBK fan or Hitman fan. There is no in between. It has impacted fans that much.

There is no way that any other feud beats this one (because it was actually real and people still write about this whole story today).

Hitman/HBK for sure.


Posted By: swillis31 (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 04:46 PM

 
 
Rhodes vs Race, 4 horseman vs anyone btw Rae was the first to body slam Andre Punk vs samoa joe? pleease, and sorry Mcmahon vs anyone is a joke mcMahon is just liveing out is fantasy becasue he never had was it takes to be a full time wrstler if he did not own the company he would not have b een in have the "programs" he was in, I refuse to call them feuds. And as far as hogan goes you have to have more than 3 moves to be a wrestler which rules him out. Hogan is probalbly the mos overrated wrestler of all time!!! I would have to go with Rich vs Sawyer, Freebirds vs Von Erics, Flair Vs Steamboat, Bruiser Brody vs abdullah the butcher as some of the best of all time.

Posted By: stkwchr (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 05:55 PM

 
 
In terms of pure entertainment, based on the amazing fan dichotomy from one arena to the next, the greatest rivalry in televised wrestling history is quite simple in my eyes:

1997, USA vs. CANADA

every episode of RAW was boiling over with intensity, and from one week to the next, the audience would take one side or another, depending on which side of the border they were on.....easily the most fan-friendly and interactive rivalry in histroy, IMO


Posted By: Matt K (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:03 PM

 
 
how about scott hall and larry zybysko

Posted By: myles (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:17 PM

 
 
IWC greatest feud:
Darth Mortis v. Scrotum Poles


Posted By: JoelP78 (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:30 PM

 
 
Steamboat v. Flair is hardly the greatest feud of all time. Steamboat has absolutely no charisma and he did nothing outside of the ring to make the feud interesting.

Posted By: Bob (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 06:37 PM

 
 
- red rooster/ Brooklyn brawler

Posted By: Eddie Chicago (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 07:16 PM

 
 
Pukin like Droz: You know you just made The Real MP shatter his computer screen and kick the cat.

Also, are you related to someone who is the synonym of gay(aka mortis)?

NWA in the 80's was the tits and I actually feel sorry for you that you don't have the wrestling knowledge to enjoy it.


Posted By: Scrotum Pole (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 07:29 PM

 
 
John Cena vs The "Rated R Superstar" Edge is the greatest rivalry to me because it got me back into Wrestling after a 3 year hiatus

Posted By: Voices in my head Talk to me (Registered)  on May 14, 2008 at 07:34 PM

 
 
Terry Funk vs. Dusty Rhodes is a feud that lasted for over 20 years and is one of the greatest of all time and played a large part in making Dusty as big of a star as he became.

Funk vs. Flair was an incredible feud and should also be named.

McMahon vs. Austin really doesn't belong on a list such as this because McMahon is a promoter, not a wrestler. This is a list of feuds between wrestlers. There was never any doubt that McMahon was always terribly overmatched in the ring against Austin, so there was never that feeling of the two being equals or even near equals. I'm not sure if you could even name a finishing maneuver that McMahon used to win matches. I'm not even sure he knew any wrestling holds at all. That was not a wrestling feud.


Posted By: Kenny (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 07:36 PM

 
 
malenko/guerrero.. nuff said!

Posted By: ghost! (Guest)  on May 14, 2008 at 08:39 PM

 
 
Saddened that the Jumbo vs. Tenryu fued from AJPW in the late 80s isn't there. Even Jumbo vs. Misawa was a great fued with some brilliant six man tags and two utterly stunning singles matches.

Posted By: DomDom (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 01:15 PM

 
 
Michaels/Hart. Anything else doesn't even come close. "Montreal" entered the wrestling fan's lexicon and is referred to by ALL wrestling fans wether they support WWE/TNA/ROH/AAA whatever. It involved too many people on both sides (Bret, Shawn, Owen, HHH, Taker, Neidhart, Pillman, Austin, Chyna, the rest of the Hart family, Jose Lothario, Bulldog, Vince, etc.) and the shock waves are still felt today and likely will forever.

Posted By: ECWaenigma (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM

 
 
For me...There was an emotional intensity that Jimmy Snuka was able to convey which completely made up for his lack of mic skills.
First it was the Ray Stevens fued, then the Muraco and finally the Piper fued. In each one, Snuka was horribly attacked and...
as I child watching this stuff...there was such pathos in his character that seemed to touch people very powerfully. I haven't seen
a live wrestling show in years. But during the 80's...I saw Hogan, Backlund and Andre many times. I never saw/heard anyone
get such an intense POP as when Snuka would come out to take revenge for some evil that had been done to him.
He was a special performer during his hey day.


Posted By: Todd (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 03:33 PM

 
 
Trish/Mickie should be on here. =/

Posted By: Michelle (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 03:54 PM

 
 
I think every great Superstar should have THAT rival. The one person, that no matter whether heel or face, or where they are in a program they can go back to.

People NEVER got tired of watching HBK/Bret Hart. To me, that rivalry defined both of their careers. More so than Hart/Austin or HBK/anyone else.

To Me Austin will always have McMahon.

Triple H will always have The Rock.

Cena will always have Edge.

Ric Flair will always have Dusty Rhodes.

Hogan will always have Piper.

I was always torn on Kurt Angle. Who was a better rival, Benoit Guererro or Jericho.


Posted By: Black_Vic (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 04:26 PM

 
 
WWE/WWF vs WCW
Steve Austin - Vince McMahon
Steve Austin vs The Rock
Bret Hart - Steve Austin
Ric Flair - Sting


Posted By: Bobbay (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 05:30 PM

 
 
Has to be HBK/Hart. As many have pointed out, that can even be seen as going beyond a "feud" to being something more...

People forget that HBK/Bret were fighting each other for years. I remember I had a VHS of survivor series 1992 where the main event was heel IC Champ HBK vs face world champ Bret in an excellent match. Remember that it was these two who originally innovated the concept of ladder match. Through the epic iron-man match that saw HBK's 1st title win ("the boyhood dream!!!" repeated for ever lol), to Shawn inadvertly giving bret the title when he was guest referee in Bret/Taker at summerslam '97 (which led to the legendary HBK/Taker fued) and of course, finally, the montreal screwjob, on which nothing more needs to say.

As swillis31 said, you are either a hitman fan or a HBK fan. While I don't agree there is "no inbetween" (I rate HBK highly and am still patiently waiting to see that WWE title on him again), I'll always be a hitman mark at heart.


Posted By: Killah (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 05:33 PM

 
 
HHH vs. Cena? LOL. Get the "F" out.

Real stuff of legends are Benoit vs. Angle, Flair vs. Sting and Austin vs. Rock.


Posted By: Epic fail. (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 05:37 PM

 
 
To me, these are the to fueds of all time...
Flair/Horsemen vs Dusty, Hogan Vs Piper, and the Freebirds vs The Von Erichs. Close to the top you have, Piper Vs Snuka, Hogan vs Savage, Hart Vs Michaels, Rock N Roll Express Vs The Midnight Express. On the next tier you have, Raven/Dreamer, Bret Vs Owen, Steamboat Vs Flair. All these are worth mentioning but as a child of the 80's its hard to top Piper/Hogan, Dusty/Horsemen...


Posted By: piper101 (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 06:31 PM

 
 
If I had to incluse HHH in the list, there is no other fued besides Shawn Michaels that I would even throw in there. If I had to include the Rock, then I would have to say Austin. If I had to include Austin, I would say Bret Hart. But truthfully nothing too recent matches up to the intensity I felt watching the Horsemen beating Dusty in the parking lot or Piper taking on Hogan...

Posted By: piper101 (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 06:35 PM

 
 
Hart vs HBK for sure, not just cause they're hate was legit, but also cause even though they hated eachother so much, they put on some amazing matches over the course of the nearly 2 year feud. not to mention that real deal feud led to probably one ( if not the most)important happenings in wrestling history in the montreal screw job

Posted By: prevail92 (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 07:14 PM

 
 
If you're talking all time feuds, how about giving some consideration to Jack Brisco vs. Dory Funk Jr? Bruno Sammartino vs. Superstar Graham? The Original Sheik vs. Bobo Brazil? Mark Lewin vs. King Curtis? Freddie Blassie vs. John Tolos? Verne Gagne vs. Nick Bockwinkel?

Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on May 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

 
 
"Wrestling in some 30 seat arena somewhere."

Kobashi and Misawa have wrestled in front of thousands on a regular basis.


Posted By: DomDom (Guest)  on May 16, 2008 at 07:56 PM

 
 
Nailed it! Great column and really a good understanding of history!

Posted By: thegunisgood (Guest)  on May 17, 2008 at 09:49 AM

 


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