Pieces of My Mind 7.15.08: Bret Hart
Posted by Geoff Eubanks on 07.15.2008
Will Bret Hart be remembered as The Best There Is, The Best There Was and The Best There Ever Will Be? Or is he soiling that stellar in-ring legacy with his actions and what appears to be a consuming NEED to be remembered as The Best There Is, The Best There Was & The Best There Ever Will Be?
Although I've been watching professional wrestling (or sports entertainment, if you prefer…I do not) since I was 13 years old, I cannot deny the fact that I was initially an absolute stupid mark, and long after I should have known better. I am truly and infinitely grateful for the benefit of videotaped matches and promos, because, having been such a stupid mark, I, then, failed to appropriately appreciate the very real talent of many fantastic performers, such as Randy Savage, Rick Rude and Bret Hart, all of whom I now respect a great deal. It is only now that I am older and wiser that I not only appreciate the obvious fun of the product, but the finer aspects which contribute to creating a truly fine performance, not the least of which having the ability to be a true ring general. Few have mastered their craft to such a degree that s/he can actually wear that title with any semblance of honesty; Hart has earned that right. Though his career was tragically abbreviated due to an undiagnosed concussion, one must assume Hart's legacy as The Best There Is, The Best There Was & The Best There Ever Will Be was, in the minds of many, was cemented.
However, likewise, in the minds of many, in the twilight of his career to the present, Hart is soiling that stellar in-ring legacy with his actions and what appears to be a consuming NEED to be remembered as The Best There Is, The Best There Was & The Best There Ever Will Be, as well as maintaining his self-appointed role as the true hero of the professional wrestling industry. That's an incredibly demanding task with which to saddle one's self, but Hart apparently feels he's up for the challenge. There have been, in my mind, three glaring examples where this task has caused public opinion (at least to some) to sway away from remembering Hart with the unwavering respect he is certain he deserves, however: 1) Montreal, 2) his response to the comments made by Ric Flair in his (Flair's) autobiography, and 3) the recent debacle at a hall of fame ceremony in Waterloo, IA.
Leading up to that fated night in November 1997, it was then my opinion that Hart's best years as an actual WRESTLER were in his past, as it seemed he was employing in greater increments a more stripped-down "punch-kick" style throughout the body of his matches, a stark contrast to the style we'd come to expect from The Excellence Of Execution. then heading into "the five moves of doom" to set up the vaunted Sharpshooter. In my mind, Hart just didn't have it anymore OR, if I was feeling particularly magnanimous, I'd suggest that he was simply trying to play the game of the performer who had by-passed him, Steve Austin. Of course, in the interim, I now realize that he was playing a heel and a heel is more than likely not going to bust out all the stellar moves that garner him cheers when he wrestles as a face; it's part of psychology, of manipulating the crowd.
However, it's a pretty irrefutable statement that Hart, barring some sort of cataclysm befalling the WWF, was never going to be the top man in the company again. He was a reliable mechanic who could play a convincing heel or face and as a credible world champion, but with Shawn Michaels around and Austin trumping them both in terms of being the obvious next step up in the company, the most for which he could hope was having a turn with the hot potato (especially considering the eventual rise of other main-eventers following his WWF departure in Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, Triple H and especially The Rock, to say nothing of the ever-present Undertaker), and that simply was not good enough for Hart at that stage of his career. He'd worked HARD, with a schedule of close to 300 dates a year for fourteen years, missed only ONE match (due to a flight cancellation), had done everything ever asked of him and had never once injured a fellow performer during the course of a match. If he'd hit the ceiling in the WWF, especially with Michaels so staunchly entrenched in the back pocket of Vince McMahon, perhaps a change of scenery where he'd be more appreciated was in order. Eric Bishcoff made him a lucrative offer and he accepted, with McMahon's blessing.
(An interesting, if innocuous, point to ponder, is how Hart's future, indeed, his entire LIFE would have played out had he remained in Vince's employ instead of jumping to WCW, because, had he hung around for TWO SHORT MONTHS, Michaels would be out of his proverbial hair, as, at the ROYAL RUMBLE that following January that Michaels injured his back and was shelved for four years.)
I'm not going to criticize Hart for wanting to go over in his home country at SURVIVOR SERIES (his final pay-per-view with the WWF; it was his contractual right to do so. I'm not going to criticize Earl Hebner; he was simply following the boss' orders. I'm not going to criticize McMahon for "screwing" Hart; his company was a lot closer to folding than many at the time realized and he was protecting his family's business. Furthermore, when one considers that McMahon convinced Flair to appear on WWF-TV in 1992 with the WCW World Title belt, integrity or not, McMahon was likely petrified that Bischoff would convince Hart to "Medusa" the WWF World Title on Nitro in a time of virtual war, considering the ridiculous tactics to which Bischoff stooped to defeat Raw in the ratings those 84 consecutive weeks, McMahon was well-founded to keep the cornerstone of his company close to home. I'm not even going to criticize Michaels, even though history has proven that he was at a personal pinnacle of selfish, drug-addicted dickdom at this point and was more than willing to humiliate Hart, who had criticized the manner in which Michaels had held the HWT during his initial first run with the belt, which Michaels accepted in ultra-personal fashion (especially since the company, under Michaels' reign, had done better numbers than under Hart's). Montreal was simply an unfortunate event, an embarrassment for all involved, necessary as it MAY have been.
So why bother to dredge this up at all? Because of the manner in which Hart The Hero reacted immediately following the "screwing". Spitting in McMahon's eye? Like Vince himself, as a fan of both wrestling and Hart, I accept that. McMahon had to have known he'd have that coming. Punching him out, blackening his eye and giving him a mild concussion in the presence of his son backstage? Throwing a rampaging public tantrum and destroying thousands of dollars worth of equipment at ringside? I'm putting it mildly when I call that behavior unbecoming of a hero, at least no hero of mine. In my eyes, someone whom I would call a hero would have set an example of how one behaves when beset with such adversity; accept what had occurred, hold your head high and allow your rabid fans to express your anger and indignity for you, which they certainly (and rightfully) were doing, and walk out of that arena with the pride, poise and grace Hart had always claimed he had. Instead, the example Hart set for his fans, many impressionable children, was the message that it's all well and good to talk about doing the right thing, but when the shit gets thick, it's all well and good to throw a tantrum tantamount to that which might an unsupervised child, leaving an angry trail of shrapnel in your wake.
I understand his motivation, I understand wanting to behave in such a manner, and, in fairness, he did it because he could (in what other profession could someone get away with such a display undisciplined, indeed, cheered and revered?), but such actions are anything but heroic. Arguably justified, but heroic? Not a chance. In my mind, heroism is not something one turns on and off, one is either a hero 24/7 or is not at all, not whenever it suits one to be such, and it's in just such an instance of adversity where one proves one's quality. Would I have done the same thing? Hell yes, I would have!...BUT I AM NO HERO. I've never wanted to be and certainly never COULD be, I'm just pragmatic about it. And I'd certainly have had the good sense enough to have regretted my ridiculous actions once a cooler head prevailed; the fact that Hart to this day proudly stands behind his actions disturbs and saddens me in his regard. That display turned an embarrassment into a disgrace, and, in my own humble opinion, he should be ashamed.
(An interesting note: even as big a bitch as Michaels was at that time, and I don't simply mean the HBK character, he warned from the middle of the ring, that wrestlers are not to be looked up to, that not a one of them, himself most certainly included, is a hero.)
We all know what the coming years would hold for Hart in WCW. The undiagnosed concussion, which was, compounded in the coming weeks (by no less than a Terry Funk chair shot at one point), forcing him into premature retirement, the fluke stroke that sealed the possibility of "one more match". The tragic passing of Daveyboy Smith and his beloved brother Owen (after having already lost FOUNDATION member Brian Pillman years earlier), the passing of his parents, his divorce, the sale of the legendary Hart House. Compounded with his inability to tell more stories, to compete in the ring, to entertain his loyal, worldwide fanbase, one would assume disappointment and regret must haunt Hart, but I've no idea and I certainly will not attempt to speak for him, especially as he is an incredibly articulate person and certainly an eloquent writer. I've heard some making excuses for Hart in this regard, claiming that his hardships entitle him to the outspoken nature we're about to discuss, and to that I call bullshit. Hart's has been a life of tremendous ups (which he worked his ass off to EARN), and, call it fate, God's will, karma, what have you, but balance eventually comes into play and to use the wages of such balance as an excuse is childish. I want to STRESS that NEVER ONCE has Hart himself EVER even intimated that he's entitled to ANYTHING because of his recent hardships. Please re-read that last sentence! I just want to stress that there is no excuse to be made. Hart acts of his own free will (Kevin Von Erich is no stranger to abject tragedy, both from personal and business standpoints and he lives a quiet life in Denton, Texas).
I mention Hart's unfortunate premature necessity to retire because I'm convinced it contributes greatly to the manner in which we see Hart behaving as a result. Something we, the fans, may find easy to overlook is that, aside from the frustration of no longer being able to perform, someone like Hart, who took sublime pride in his work and intends to be remembered as the best in the history of the business, now must be upset because he no longer has the option to add to his legacy, while others, such as Ric Flair, managed to compete almost into his sixties. I mention Flair specifically for two reasons: 1) Flair is most certainly on the short list of Hart's competitors for that coveted title, and 2) the comments Flair made about Hart in his autobiography, our next point.
Breaking down the issue to its most basic level, Hart was upset that Flair was critical over Hart claiming he's the best of all time, that he (Hart) performed the same routine in his matches, exploited the death of Owen for his own gain and that Hart was a poor draw. Of course, Hart couldn't help himself and had to respond to Flair's claims with a monstrous, yet incredibly eloquent, tome in his own defense.
The issue of "who is the best wrestler of all time" is sticky and is, of course, HIGHLY subjective. Even accumulating a list of criteria by which to judge the candidates is daunting enough; observe the pain the editors/writers of Pro Wrestling Illustrated endure just compiling their annual top 500 wrestlers! Quite frankly, it's my opinion that a clear winner in this field will never be named, because there are gentlemen such as Lou Thesz, Frank Gotch, George Hackenschmidt, Ed Lewis, etc., from a bygone era that many of us may never actually see perform, yet whose reputations endure, and, even if we did, by today's standards, their style might seem a trifle dull and uninspired when compared to modern showmen such as Hart and Flair. Even breaking down between these two who is superior to the other is a difficult "apples & oranges" kind of argument, because Flair was more of a glitz and glamour performer, whereas Hart was more about grit and technicality, although both certainly employed bits of each others game throughout their careers.
Flair attempted to qualify his claim by employing the "five moves of doom" argument in Hart's regard, to which, of course, Hart took mighty offense, going to great detail, citing numerous examples of Flair's inability to live up to his billing and legend once they finally met in a WWF ring. Not being an actual wrestler myself, I can neither verify nor deny Hart's claims simply by reading his descriptions although I'm not going to eschew completely either's statements about the other.
What I'm hearing from both of these legends is their own fear, insecurity and uncertainty. As age inevitably begins to lay claim to a performer's livelihood (in any area of performance, sports, pro wrestling, music), such performer must come to grips with the grim reality that his/her best years have already occurred, and concern over his/her enduring legacy becomes of paramount concern…"Was I really good enough such that my performances will stand the test of time, will I continue to be viewed and revered, not just by my peers, but by subsequent generations, as truly great? Did I do ENOUGH when I was younger?" This especially must be true in Hart's case, as, as mentioned, his career came to an abrupt end.
(I recall a soliloquy by Jim Cornette during the Monday Night Wars aired on WWF-TV with regard to the manner in which certain performers were putting themselves over, referring to themselves as "God" or "Icon" or "The Icon That Can Still Go". He suggested that perhaps those truly deserving of such titles were the men who never needed to supply themselves with one, dropping the names Steve Austin and Arn Anderson in the process. I myself, personally, am not suggesting either or both of these men deserve to be remembered over Hart and/or Flair, I simply include this because it might be an interesting point to ponder when you yourself make your own considerations for "best ever" should you be so inclined.)
We're all feeling warm and fuzzy in the wake of Flair's glorious retirement and with good reason. However, when I read Flair's accusation that Hart exploited his brother's death, I was VERY angry. That was simply low and uncalled for and it makes me wonder why Flair would suggest such a thing. Share your views, good or bad, about a man's talent or the manner in which he handles business, but unless we're talking a Benoit situation, leave a man's family at his home, ESPECIALLY when it's SUCH a hot button topic like Owen's horrifically tragic passing. It's not a matter of "too soon", it's just that some things are and should remain sacred. Actually, Ric, if you want to talk exploitation of the departed, talk to your best friend about how his father-in-law treated Eddie Guerrero's untimely demise.
With respect to Hart's ability to draw, I don't know. There are aspects about the business I hesitate upon which to comment because I'm just ignorant to them. Ratings breakdowns, financial concerns, ability to draw, contractual matters and downsides…my mind just isn't wired in that way and rather than attempt to sell a bunch of assclownery to you, I'd rather be straight up and shrug my shoulders at you and suggest you bring up the matter with those who have a better grasp of such matters. What I do know about Hart is that the WWF did it's best grossing year after hart took a hiatus from the company with Michaels as champion and that Hart was a much larger draw internationally than in America. The United Kingdom, Germany, hell, virtually the whole of Europe, South Africa, Australia, South America, of course Canada, he likely remains one of the most popular wrestling-related figures ever. It cannot be denied that Hart helped to put the "world" in World Wrestling Federation during his long tenure with the company. Considering the shit McMahon is accepting from a moderately talented little pissant like Carlito because of his (alleged) appeal with Latino audiences, were Hart in the fold now, he'd be positively revered by McMahon. Jerry Lawler likes to refer to Canada as "BIzzaro World" as a result of whom the fans elect to cheer; perhaps it's the US that is backward?
And now to the present. We've all heard the story. Hart was accepting an award on behalf of his father, Stu, when, mid-speech, he spied Greg Oliver of SlamWrestling in attendance, who was present to accept an award on his own behalf, and began berating the writer. Hart was discussing the sacrifices performers are forced to make to excel in their profession, and I must agree with him, a wrestler is forced to sacrifice a great deal, Hart in particular, obviously. However he began to customize, if you will, his speech in Oliver's regard, suggesting that there were "some" in attendance who sacrifice nothing for their profession, which I must translate to mean those who write about professional wrestlers don't have to spend 300 days a year away from their significant others and children or sacrifice their health and well-being to ply their trade, as do the wrestlers themselves. There were other wrestlers in attendance who favored Hart's speech with a standing ovation.
At this point, with one glaring exception, which I will discuss momentarily, I can't disagree with him. Hart happens to be blessed with the talent and ability to both wrestle and write with eloquence. Not all of us have been so gifted. However, this brings up a point upon many of us in the IWC dislike dwelling; although professional wrestlers, by and large, love and respect their fans, they have little more than disdain for those of us who write in such a manner as I am doing now, the frequent claim being that we have no right to dissect their performances because we've not done such performing ourselves. They have a point. However I usually find that it's those who have a chip on their shoulders, for whatever reason and in whatever way, who espouse such statements (JBL, I'm looking at you). And there certainly are some in the IWC who consider themselves to be an authority on a subject simply because they have an opinion and an internet connection. There are also those of us who take a little more pride than to "EPIC FAIL" our way through an article and call it a day. So, yes, there is a strong contingent of performers who have an ax to grind with respect to those of us who write about their profession, solely on-line or, in Oliver's case, in actually published form, which I think should garner much more respect.
However (and this is qualm number two I have in this regard), Hart continued in this vain, basically stating one of them had to go, and if not Oliver, then it would be him. Oliver's writing partner, Steve Johnson, did leave in the interest of keeping the peace, but Oliver remained, and Hart left, a number of other wrestlers with him, no doubt as a result of the common bond of wrestling fraternity, as certainly was the right of them all.
Second qualm first; Hart pulling the whole "this town isn't big enough for the both of us" spiel is absolutely petulant and, frankly, beneath him, as a legend of his stature and (especially) for a man of his age. I could ALMOST understand it when he pulled the same stunt in Michaels' when he was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame regard, having been long-time, real-life rivals, but to behave in this manner toward a journalist who was at that banquet because he, too, was being similarly recognized? Come on, Bret, you're better than that…aren't you? Oliver had EVERY RIGHT to be there and Hart had no right to demand that he leave. It was certainly Hart's right to accept on his father's behalf and leave with half the room afterward, before, or even DURING Oliver's time on the stage, as that would have sent message enough. But to make a case of it on stage during a speech was a poor call, ESPECIALLY when one considers the REASON Hart holds so much personal disdain for Oliver; Oliver has ranked both Hart, as a singles performer, as well as THE HART FOUNDATION much lower than Hart feels he should have ranked them in two of the books for which he was being honored that night. There again, do we see Hart acting out in fear of his legacy being tarnished, although it could be argued that behaving in such a manner does a hell of a lot more damage to the gravity that legacy carries than anything Flair could write about him.
Furthermore, although this award was Hart's to accept, it was not HIS, it was his father's. Hart turned what should have been a night to honor Stu's considerable contributions to the business into his own personal bitching post and, in turn, soiled what should have been a proud night for an accomplished writer in his chosen field for the gross sin of simply stating his opinion…in short, for doing his job. Hart has a right to feel the way he feels, he even had a right to say what he said, just not WHERE he said it. It seems to me Hart is plagued by compulsion to wave his own flag of righteousness in front of an audience that he knows will pat him on the back and support him, notwithstanding how he looks in the overall, which is ironic considering his desire (obsession…?) to be remembered as the best of all time. Perhaps, as he sees that title slipping away from him, he becomes increasingly interested in becoming a wrestling martyr to his idea of absolute truth?
I'll differ with other opinions shared on the subject by other writers on this site with respect to what Stu himself might have thought about this display, because, as far as I know, Stu might have been one of those wrestlers who walked out with Hart, I don't know, I didn't know the man. Behavior such as this lends a certain amount of credence to Michaels' claim when the heat between Hart and himself started brewing that Hart "took his ball and went home" following WrestleMania 12 and Michaels walked out of Anaheim with the belt, waiting for Michaels and the WWF to fall on its financial face without him, allowing the nagging injuries that had accumulated over the previous dozen years to heal up and come back at McMahon's behest, better than ever. It seems to me that Hart had a similar thought process when he left for WCW, that all his fans would turn on evil Vince and follow him to WCW and, boy, wouldn't Vince be sorry then! It amazes me that Hart to this day apparently labors under the misapprehension that Bischoff had big plans for him, especially in Canada (as Hart claims when responding to Flair's book), when it was plain to even me back THEN that Hart was simply a vanity purchase on Bischoff's part, to really stick to Vince and prove to him that he (Bischoff) could buy anyone in Vince's locker room, when Vince was simply clearing himself of $20 million with which to re-brand his company and, eventually, buy WCW outright (one wonders, had Hart not been forced into retirement, what he'd have done after WCW and ECW folded and there was not yet TNA…?).
It was comforting to see Bret Hart on Larry King in those tragic days following the Benoit atrocity. I, personally, felt relieved to see him looking so well, healthy and comfortable, horrible circumstances so close to home notwithstanding. Moreover, there was an air of…shall we say, wrestling paternity about him, an aura of regality, of authority, the way it could and should be. That's the way I want to see, remember and believe Hart to be. So why is he making it increasingly so DIFFICULT for me to do so?
From a pure WRESTLING standpoint Bret"Hitman"Hart IS the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. NOBODY before or after him has been able to tell a better story inside the ring.
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Very well written article. I agree with just about everything in it.
I do wonder, though, what Bret will do (assuming, of course, he stays the current path of his behavior) or say once we get around to the inevitable HBK retirement tour. I think you touched on it in the article indirectly, but all of this look-at-me stuff took place very soon after the retirement and global fellation of Ric Flair. How compelled will Bret be to thrust himself back in the limelight once Shawn starts to wind down and we reflect on all the things he's done and probably, rightfully - considering longevity and quality over that time - rank him ahead of Bret?
Posted By: Deux (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:13 PM
Bret Hart isn't a saint and his behaviour recently is inexcusable but I can't buy the Hart didn't do the right thing arguement people use to blame hart for the screwjob.It's not like he buried guys ala Triple H and the clique or only wanted to make himself look good ala hogan so why is he crucified so much for not wanting to job one time?
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:37 PM
I loved Bret as a performer back in the 90's. He was one of my favorite wrestlers and I have been a huge fan since the early 80's.
He is destroying his legacy by acting like bitter pill and not moving on.
You hit the nail squarely when Brett was accepting an award on behalf of his late father, and he turns it into his own little rant. A "hero" wouldn't do something so selfish.
Posted By: aprince66 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:42 PM
Best article i've read on here in a while.
The part of the article about Internet Writers was great. It takes a scared weak individual to claim someone can't state their opinion about a profession unless they have done the profession themselves. I agree it's shitty for writers to report lies or half truths as fact but when you're writing an opinion piece (or a book on best Canadian Wrestlers) you have every right to criticize whoever you want.
Darren, stop confusing your opinion with fact. Just because you make it all caps doesn't make it true. Bret was great but he couldn't, can't, and never will hold a candle to Shawn Michaels in the ring or on the mike.
Posted By: divinecomedy (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:53 PM
I can't stand you IWC members (not EU, EUBANKS) that vehemently stand up for Bret Hart and bash any negative comments aimed at him.
Flair's negative comments about Hart were made by a man that is insecure about his place in the wrestling world, and will only tarnish his own reputation.
That being said, in the ring, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Ricky Steamboat, Nick Bockwinkle, and Chris Benoit were all GREAT in the ring. They (and many more) were all able to tell great stories in the ring. Who was the better wrestler? Depends on your taste.
What seperates Flair from the rest. He did it longer, on a grander stage, and for multiple federations. Fair or not, the longevity of his career dwarfs Bret's. I doubt Bret would be wrestling today at 51 had he not suffered his stroke. And if so, I doubt he would be main eventing major wrestling cards (Bret lovers can say what they want, but Flair-HBK WAS the main event WM24).
Flair made everyone look good in his career. He put everyone over whether it be Sweet Brown Sugar, Lex Lugar, Brad Armstrong, Nikita Koloff, a very green Sting, he made each one of them the next big thing. Everyone makes a big deal about the 60 minute iron man match of Hart's. Flair used to do that 5 nights a week for Joe Schmoe in Birmingham on a regular house show.
Bret was cool (sunglasses a little cheezy, but I digress), awesome to watch in the ring, definitely made it feel real, but I'm sorry, Bret lovers, he is not Ric Flair.
Hell, he's not even Ricky Steamboat.
Why is Bret regarded higher than him? I realize that a good portion of the IWC is Canadian and want to support your own. I get that. Or you lived up North and weren't exposed (if you were even old enough) to Southern wrestling. Or maybe he was the greatest to you when you were 9-12 and gave you those dorky sunglasses. Or maybe it's that Hart had a little more charisma than Steamboat. I'd buy that. Steamboat was as vanilla as the came. But I'll be damned if he was not as good or better than the Hitman. Hell, in the ring, he was better than Flair, but overall Flair was the man that put the butts in the seats.
And that's what is important, that the performer makes you emotionally invested in what is happening in the ring. That seperates the greats, not how good someone can execute a particular move (but it does help).
That's why the Orange Goblin was so great before he got stale. That's why Cena is successful. Hate him or love him, he makes you care.
Workrate is good, but overrated. Same with charisma. The great ones have a combination of both. Benoit and Steamboat (hell, ANGLE!) were better than both Flair and Hart in the ring, but how many people are arguing if they are the greatest of all time?
Posted By: We're All Marks! (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 02:56 PM
An excellent article and I agree with a lot of what you said. Flair's comments are interesting as I've written that Flair can be about as selfish a person as Bret at times. I'm of the camp that Vince went to see Bret after the screwjob knowing he'd get punched and thinking it'd be better for Bret to get it out of his system and all. As for the screwjob, while Vince is to blame, Bret really went too far wrapping himself in the flag and acting like losing a title would be a shock to his entire nation. Ted DiBiase said it best: What does it matter what city you lose in, everyone's going to see it on TV?
I also agree that Bret calling Oliver out like that was a bit much but the man has pride and probably sees nothing wrong with it. But it's telling that while Michaels has been up front over what a jerk he was back in the '90's in his DVD, Bret still puts himself on a high pedestal and too many people are willing to accept it.
Even Scott Keith said recently that it's been ten years and Bret needs to let Montreal go, do an angle of him coming back and hit Vince and settle it all. Because like you said, the more he clings to this persona of being the best, the more he chips at his own legacy and that's a damn shame for a damn good star.
Posted By: Michael Weyer (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 03:18 PM
I actually feel a little sorry for the guy, i mean he lost a brother, his career was cut short, he had a stroke, then he gets Flair taking rubbish about him in his book.
Not exactly an easy few years is it?
As for Bret the wrestler, brilliant, simply brilliant.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 03:25 PM
divinecomedy, why the fuck should Darren bother confusing fact and opinion when you do such a good job?
Michaels was never Hart's equal on the mike or in the ring...Up until 97 he was shit on the mic and in 97 when he got it together, Bret was on a roll so Michaels had to resort to acting like a prick to get any notice. And ass for his equal in the ring, no. Just no. Bret takes flak for the five moves of doom, so what the fuck does Michaels do every match without fail? Flying forearm, Nip-up, Elbow, Chin music. The only difference is he has one less move. And you hold him up as some iconic blend of catch as can and high flying? He's not even in Kurt Angles league.
"He was a reliable mechanic who could play a convincing heel or face and as a credible world champion, but with Shawn Michaels around and Austin trumping them both in terms of being the obvious next step up in the company"....Say how was Michaels the next step up? When he had the ball, he did well but he didn't set the world alight. Thats why MacMahon was still looking for the next Hulk to kick start the attitude age. Nothing against Austin, he was the logical choice, but to put Michaels on the same level is simply opinion.
And with all due respect Geoff, what makes you think Bret has to act a certain way? Your line about him being a disgrace for smashing tv cameras when he was pissed just floats the idea that you're out of touch with reality. Would it be alright if Bret did it in the context of an angle, but god forbid he show he's an actual human being? It seems to be the easiest thing in the world for anyone with a keyboard like you or Hubbard to gain plaudits by accusing Bret of not being this or being guilty of that. When Flair was wrestling in his 60's and destroying his legacy with piss poor performances, where's the criticism of that? Because he got a dandy sending off on raw, are we meant to forget the last five years?
Bret more than anybody would have deserved a sending off on raw but he didn't get one, instead we get a stalinist rewriting of pre-2000 where in every montage Bret gets fucked by Shawn in their Iron man match. I mean you'd swear he didn't get one offensive move in the whole of the 90's if you were going by their revisionism. If Bret wants to talk let him talk. At least hes earned it.
Tell you what, Geoff since you picked such an easy target why don't you write one on Michaels? You'll get to use all those adjectives you writers love so much...."brilliant", "classy", "unparalleled"...i wonder if you'll add any criticism at all?
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Can someone summarize Brett's response to Ric Flair's book?
Posted By: tom (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 03:41 PM
Besides being champions/legends in their industry, what do HBK, Ric Flair and Bret Hart all have in common? They're flawed men. HBK was a real scumbag not too long ago. I could go through his screw-ups, but whose got the time? We all know about Flair being "the dirtiest player in the game" in and out the squared circle. As for Hart, I'm sure he regrets going to WCW, but McMahon pretty much gave him no choice. Hart might've been late a lot to his shows, but when he showed up, he was good-to-go. Before Montreal, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who would say Bret Hart was a scumbag. But, then all these fools started saying Bret didn't do what was right for business even though he had creative control of the outcome. As far as this recent incident with Bret goes, you might consider reading the statement by Bret's publicist to understand more Bret's point of view.
Posted By: dude11767 (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, sold psychology like Steamboat. One of the great images of wrestling is watching him get worked on for 10 minutes and then make his half-legged comeback, bracing himself on the ropes; pure guts and fire. That's effing drama. Look up his match in NJPW with Muta if you don't believe he could do it without Flair.
Posted By: Deux (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 04:32 PM
Thanks Geoff! A truly spirited piece about someone you have openly praised in the past but you see his humanism as well.
I have posted my comments about this previously, so I won't fully rehash old material. I am very amazed by the fact that Bret Hart has nothing else to do but to show up in Waterloo, IA to accept an award for his daddy.
What a difference a decade makes, eh?
Bret has to be loving this because it can only help to further his status as a grinder. That guy who thinks that if you don't give blood, sweat and tears the way he did (and his daddy showed him and his brothers and his adopted brothers, Pillman, Benoit, etc..) then you lack character and you are truly beneath someone like himself. His ring character isn't much different than his true persona, which is a good thing really.
The rant/shoot in Waterloo also helps to cement him as a legend. Not many would get this kind of coverage, unless they are truly held in the highest regard in the entertainment medium. Hacksaw Duggan has a moment like this, you have a casual laugh and a dismissal. Jake Roberts has a moment like this, and all you see is a sick man who you can't help but pity. Bret does it and the IWC drops the draft coverage and runs to his defense or sharply rails him.
Given the few weeks that have past, I have softened my stance on the issue. I have no idea what was intended from the exchange at the ceremony. I haven't lost any sleep over it or should I. I remember what Bret was in the ring and I appreciated his golden years at the top of the card. I miss his tagging days as well with Neidhart and even Danny Davis. Bret was good for the sport as ever fed needs that grinder who will work and work and work for the top of the card. Thank you Bret for entertaining me during that time.
As for now, I wish you would take the Kevin Von Erich cue. Whatever is normal and outside of the squared circle, you might want to seek it. Too many Waterloo's will sour even the most loyal Pink and Black supporter. I don't want to see you risk your legend to be tarnished.
Posted By: thegunisgood (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Better wrestlers than Hart:
Flair
Steamboat
Muta
Angle
A. Anderson
T. Gordy
Backlund
Danielson
DiBiase
Posted By: Pure Wrestling (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Whether Hart was correct or incorrect in his assessment of Oliver is not the point. He chose an inappropriate forum. End of story. I highly doubt that most rational people would be upset with Hart if he had chosen to speak with the media following the ceremony. He didn't. He chose to let his own personal offense regarding Oliver take precedence over the fact that Bret was there to represent his father's legacy and Oliver was there to accept an award that the HOF bestowed upon him.
To address your question, Jason, Geoff has every right to voice his opinion that Bret Hart should behave in a manner befitting the standard that Hart claims he personifies. The entire premise of this article is written because Bret Hart continuously claims to be a hero. He claims to bring class and dignity to the wrestling profession.
And then he pulls a stunt like this, in which he displayed the exact opposite of class and dignity. Bret Hart made the choice to humiliate a gentleman who was being honored by the association of the George Tragos/Lou Thesz Profession Wrestling Hall of Fame. There was no regard for the feelings of Greg Oliver and no consideration for the dignitaries that honored Oliver with the award. A hero, a true hero, thinks beyond his own selfish motivations. Bret Hart did not do that.
The bottom line, and Geoff even states this in the above article, is that Bret Hart is certainly entitled to feel however he chooses about whomever or whatever he chooses to form an opinion. But if he is going to hold himself up to be a hero, he needs to start acting like it. So far, Bret Hart is failing.
Posted By: Mina (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 05:40 PM
EPIC FAIL!!!
Just kidding. This is one of the most objective, articulate, well written articles I've ever seen on this topic and on this site.
One thing I would like to point out regarding Bret's WWF Championship tenure - he was given shit to work with. Seriously - Lawler? Backlund? Diesel? He was booked as a midcard champion. Had he real talent and dynamic drama to work with, things would be different.
Posted By: Guest#4964 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 05:54 PM
I just find it sad that Bret has become more famous for his antics outside the ring instead of anything he did in one. It shouldn't be like that, but it is.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 06:43 PM
Triple H couldnt lace Bret Hart's boots on his best day.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Wow, this as amazing a group of comments as I could possibly have hoped to have on this subject...thank you, everyone! This is humbling.
Deux, your assessment of Hart's "look-at-me" posturing coinciding with the "global fellatio" (that was AWEsome!) of Flair and his retirement was bang on. The notion of what could come about when HBK retires is incredibly astute...yes, one wonders.
Ed, it's because there was concern that Hart, unless he surrendered the title as recommended by McMahonagement, might take the WWF Title belt to WCW and trash it the way Medusa did the WWF Women's belt. One of the things Hart hates so much about the whole Montreal situation, I'm willing to bet, although I've never heard him say anything to actively support this, is the suggestion that he even had it in his character to do such a thing...I can totally see how he'd find offense in that, but, as I said, I can see a lot of virtue as well as vice through the eyes of virtually everyone involved in that sad affair.
Michael Weyer, while I hesitate to speak for anyone, I think Hart wanting to go over in Montreal was that he had creative control written in his contract in such a case, and so had the legal right to say that he *would* go over, plus, after working so hard for so long and helping the company establish its global presence, he felt he deserved it; combined with the above suggestion with respect to questioning his integrity, yes, I can give Hart a lot of credence where his feelings may be as a consequence...just not a lot of his actions.
Jason, with respect to your comment that it took Michaels a lot longer to develop as Hart, you're exactly right...however failing to acknowledge that Hart is eight years older than Michaels, and in those developing years, that's a BIG difference. And I'm afraid I'll have to take issue with you that Michaels was required to start acting like a prick to get noticed by Vince, fans, etc.; now I'll grant you, Michaels started politicking like MAD with Vince to benefit his career, but his awful attitude backstage was a direct response to the fact that Hart criticized the quality of Michaels' initial HWT run, with which, of course, Michaels took HUGE offense. Not to say Hart started it...but Hart started it. What we have are two extremely proud, extremely talented and extremely scared artists and athletes both looking to either maintain or secure the top spot in the company. Hart became increasingly paranoid, yet refused to politick, believing the fans and his own talent should be voice enough; Michaels became increasingly angry and relied on his politicking, believing his greater numbers as champion should carry him through. The fact that he was developing more than a passing acquaintance with painkillers at this time didn't help.
Posted By: Geoff Eubanks (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 08:29 PM
"One thing I would like to point out regarding Bret's WWF Championship tenure - he was given shit to work with. Seriously - Lawler? Backlund? Diesel?"
And don't forget the likes of Doink the Clown, Isaak Yankem the Evil Dentist, Adam Bomb, The Berzerker, Jean-Pierre the Evil Pirate (a feud over a stolen jacket?)... and even when he was a champion, he was rarely booked in a main event or even advertised as such - for crying out loud, his first World Title win took place at a house show...
Posted By: Guest#0435 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Figure me to max out 2800 characters...LOL.
Further, in Jason's regard, I was referring to Michaels as the next step up and Austin bypassing both Hart and him in Vince's eyes, the eyes that really matter when one is concerned with holding the world title. In that sense, I think the quoted statement makes more sense and deserves less vitriol in my regard.
As for my take on the manner in which Hart behaves...basically, what Mina said, cuz that's a reader who got what I conveyed.
Finally, to Jason, the notion of writing a similar such article on Michaels certainly dawned on me as I wrote this piece, and, although this was anything but EASY, Michaels would be much more challenging, because McMahonagement did a hell of a job covering his iniquities until he returned, having become a Christian (although there are certainly accusations that he still gets involved in somewhat less-than-holy activities still...nothing in the ballpark of drugs and such, more along the lines of politicking, but now that he's practically a member of the McMahon family, I'd be hard-pressed to really unearth any solid information in that vein). I'll see what I can do, but no promises. And, if you observe closer, I was not kind to Michaels in this article.
dude11767, TOTALLY.
gun, thank you, old friend. your comments were, as always, awesome, and provided a valuable viewpoint separate, yet not unlike, my own. YOU should be writing here, too.
Mina, again, you get it. Thank you!!!
Guest#4964, your assessment of the talent Hart was forced to wrestle is bang-on, but, unfortunately, that was simply indicative of a low period in the WWF. All the greats with whom Hart performed as the ICC had all injured themselves out of elevation (DiBiase, Hennig, Rude, etc.), leaving a decided gap at the top, so, yes, sad times to be a champion, which, IMO, led Hart to start to believe his own press (he certainly WAS better then an aging Lawler, a green "Kane" and an-already battered Nash, who, IMO, was clinging to youth by the time he got everything else together to be a success). Sadly, Vince felt Hart had had his day and was looking to someone else (HBK) to elevate, and we know Vince prefers charisma over work rate. HBK happened to have both. But then came Austin who had it all and made Vince oodles more than HBK or Hart combined. Guess who Vince liked best? Those are just my observations, no fact to them, really.
Thanks again to everyone for commenting so positively...I'm pleased you enjoyed! We'll be doing this again soon. In the meantime, read The R's this Friday!
Posted By: Geoff Eubanks (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 09:09 PM
I must commend the very well-written and thought-provoking article, but I do have a few thoughts of my own to add.
Bret Hart was every bit the role-model or hero that he wished to present himself as to the worldwide wrestling fanbase. The only thing he's guilty of is being too forthcoming and divulging too much of the person he is 'behind-the-curtain'. Especially when it comes to openly expressing his views on what he deems 'wrong' or 'right' in his eyes. He was living proof that you can take tremendous talent and hard work to pinnacles only few can imagine. He came in EVERYDAY like a professional and did his job, waited his turn, and came out on top despite less-qualified being given undeserving their chances first (Warrior Warrior, anyone?)
Like all heroes though, he has 'feet of clay'. I find a similar parallel to Mickey Mantle's crippling dependence on alcohol. Unlike 'The Mick', Hart's flaws and character faults are on full display whereas Mantle's were swept under the rug only to be revealed when it was far too late. While both are revered and admired, most are quick to point out The Hitman's personal inefficiencies in addition to his many achievements and accolades. The reason why Flair's (another wrestling hero who is as flawed as they come) sendoff was full of pomp and grandeur is because the man who will one day take the reigns of the world's biggest fed is the world's biggest Flair mark (read: Triple H).
Like or not, Bret Hart is the link between the ere of unknown of what the WWF(E) was after Hogan left, the Attitude Era, and the current product that we see today. He stepped in for Vince when no one else could and kept the machine chugging along when the territory needed it the most. Hart never 'lost his smile', never was attacked by marines outside a Syracuse night club for being an asshole, never injured anyone, and NEVER refused to do jobs (except one). All the while putting out entertaining, believable, and enjoyable stories like nobody else with a very limited roster.
I'd be hard-pressed to find someone not carry as many bricks as he does. I ask anyone to put themselves in the position of helplessly watching their family fall apart to tragedy. Or idly succumbing to having their bodies fall apart for a business that kept taking their best years away from them along with time with their families.
We can sit and take potshots all we want when we watch someone we admire do something we disagree with. It's an entirely different story when we do so while not having been where they have been. If Bret wants to call a writer out, I say let him. He's deserved at least that much.
Posted By: thechriseco (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I think it's important to realize that we simply don't have enough information to judge any of these men, be it Hart, Flair, or Michaels. They all have their personal issues and to sit and try to judge their actions, (Deplorable or not) is simply pointless, as none of us will ever know the true story.
Posted By: Cook (Guest) on July 16, 2008 at 09:36 AM
Very good article. Hart was a really good wrestler, but he completely annoys me as a person. To do what he did 2 that writer is classless and childish.
*Just a side note, I'll be going to college in Denton this fall*
Posted By: Bobby (Guest) on July 16, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Tripple H couldnt lace Bret Harts boots is correct, But HBK is still better than Bret Hart
Posted By: Pete K (Guest) on July 16, 2008 at 02:17 PM
I was five years old when I saw my first wrestling match. Ask me to recall anything else from this period in my life and watch me draw a blank. However, the image of pink and black tights still sits vividly in the back of my mind now that I am grown. I remember all the nuances that attracted me to the sport. I remember being an awestruck fan of the athletics of it all: the body slams, suplexes (I still love a good suplex), moonsaults, the dropkicks, and back body drops. And I remember one man performing the moves the best(no shocker here!), Bret Hart.
To my logical mind, almost everything the man did inside the ring made sense to me. When he wrestled someone like Shawn Michaels or (RIP) Mr. Perfect, or someone similar in build, the match went back and forth with a fair amount of brawling as well as technical precision. It's easy to see two men of the same stature (physically) brawl it out AND wrestle. It wasn't as if one had an obvious advantage over the other. And if Bret wrestled against someone with a clear advantage such as Big Daddy Cool Diesel, Vader, Yokozuna, or The Undertaker, the match's groove went accordingly: The Big Man pounds on the little man. Bret had to use his technical ability to bring the man down to size- focus maneuvers on a limb, typically the leg, leading up to the inevitable Sharpshooter, or use resourceful counters like the pin on Yoko at 'Mania 10.
At times, watching a Shawn Michaels match, reminded me that I was watching Sports Entertainment, that is, wrestling mixed with plenty theatrics. To watch Shawn be relentlessly beaten on by men who were nearly twice his size in height(Diesel, Undertaker) and twice his size in weight(Vader, Yokozuna) to then come back with out-of-nowhere momentum and energy was unbelievable. I don't care how much they pushed his resiliency, that just doesn't happen. And it wasn't plausible that the "clique" (The Fans, to avoid any confusion) was giving him this energy. Then, to top it off, after flying forearms, and both double axes and moonsaults off the top rope, to finish the match with a "Super Kick" was an insult to my intelligence.
After a rant like this it's easy to see me as a true blue(or pink and black) Bret Hart Fan. But, in actuality, I'm struggling with the idea of Shawn being the better performer. But, I believe that to be truly entertaining is to have me believe that everything in the match happened convincingly. I don't expect to see Bernard Hopkins or Kelly Pavlik fight Vladimir Klitchsko and knock him out with a "Super Jab" after a horrible 11 rounds of boxing.
But, I can't help but love Michaels as much as I love Bret. Somewhere along the line, you just have to throw out all the logic and let yourself be entertained. That's when the beauty of an HBK match shines bright.
Posted By: Passerby (Guest) on July 17, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I could write up a long treatise on why Bret Hart is not the best of all time. But I won't, instead I will just say, Ric Flair is the best, baby!! WOOOOOOOOO
Posted By: Hocho (Guest) on July 17, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Better wrestlers than Hart:
Flair-wrestled the same match for 34 yrs so no00
Steamboat-as great as he WAS never lived up to his full potential, not his fault mind you poorly booked
Muta-see Steamboat
Angle-too many injuries and bad booking hampered this argument.
A.Anderson-see Kurt Angle.
T.Gordy-ROTFLMFAO
Backlund-Too many yrs of inactivity otherwise a valid argument.
Danielson-Your mom should've taken the morning after pill if you believe this one.
DiBiase-see Steamboat, Anderson, and Steamboat.
Posted By: Pure Wrestling (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on July 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM
IMO the only guy that was better than Hart in the ring was Dynamite Kid. As far as destroying his legacy, if Flair hasn't destroyed his own legacy by staying around too long and HBK hasn't destroyed his legacy by screwing others and being up under HHH's ass, I'd say Hart isn't destroying his by claiming he's the best. Flair feels he's the best as well, and HBK only feels that Flair is better than him. They all have big ego's but they should because they are all great wrestlers.
Posted By: Just a viewpoint (Guest) on July 18, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Not read it all just skimmed it, just wanted to point out despite the fact vince and shawn said it on raw, WWF as it was called at the time did not do better figures under shawn than bret.
Posted By: Kristian (Guest) on July 21, 2008 at 05:36 PM
I've read many different articles regarding the three topics that the article centered around and this was by far the best written and fairest analysis I've seen.
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on August 07, 2008 at 12:30 AM
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