Tim's Take 7.15.08: TNA's Wrong Turn on Victory Road
Posted by Tim Livingston on 07.15.2008
What is it about TNA that makes their product aggravating? How about when they do the right thing before their main competitors and they STILL get burned.
I would just like to say, first off, that working 27 straight days without a day off is just...well, it's exactly how it sounds. It's hellacious. I've been so busy I don't know where to being, and now, here I am, fresh off a weekend in Santa Cruz and back to talk professional wrestling.
Honestly, I'm doing my best to wrap my head around this following trend:
WWE is going with a youth movement and they really have no reason to do so, considering many of their mainstays are still there. TNA, on the other hand, has all the reason in the world to push young up and comers, but instead, while they have all the young talent you can possibly build off, they're still pushing guys like Booker T, Kevin Nash, Sting and Kurt Angle at the top of the card. Sure, Samoa Joe is the champ, but him being there isn't so much a signal of a change in time as it is Joe keeping the belt warm. Remember, three months ago, the only thing that anyone who watched TNA could talk about was this idea of Joe as champion being the signal of change for TNA. That change has not come at all.
He is soon becoming a completely forgettable champion, and he, like everyone else who is pushed as a top draw in TNA, is being pushed on reputation alone. Unfortunately, like the others, Joe's reputation is veiled in some type of illusion. Yes, at one point, Samoe Joe was the best wrestler in the world. He was having 60-minute classics with CM Punk, he was putting Ring of Honor on the map and his arrival in TNA was met with great anticipation. His immediate impact in the TNA X-Division was amazing, as it breathed fresh air into a dying division. Unfortunately, like he did in ROH once he had nothing else to accomplish, he had to move on. Once he was made a part of the main event picture, he was truncated like many wrestlers of his stature beforehand. The idea of the "main event style" (whatever the hell that means) wasn't up to snuff, it seems, and while Joe hasn't had his legs cut out from under him, he doesn't exactly have the talent around him to make his best talents show.
So far, he's had a 3-way match, a King of the Mountain match, and a match with a 43-year old that ended in a giant schmozz because they HAD to get that other 49-year old guy into the title picture. This after the feud that got him the belt in the first place was with a guy who was so far past his prime that he still has delusions that he's anywhere near his high point in his career. The thing that made Samoa Joe great was that when he had a chance to be a ring general with someone who was game, he would get a great match out of that person. When he has to wrestle with the likes of a Booker T or a Sting or a Kevin Nash, he is severely limited in what he can do. While Angle is all about intensity and he continues to try to steal the show, he's physically one wrong move away from completely breaking down.
So the big problem continues to plague TNA that has always plagued them. The idea that the younger guys couldn't pull their weight is a huge misconception thanks to the amazingly inflated egos not just of the wrestler themselves because they're "established" or whatever they're saying in order to stay at the top of the card, but to the bookers and management who continue to do so. I really question the motives of a company who decides that its world champion is second fiddle not just to a silly love story, but TO HIS OWN STORYLINE. I want to repeat that last part. The world champion, the man who represents the TOP SPOT IN THE COMPANY is playing third wheel to the storyline in which he should be the spotlight.
Meanwhile, the company that has been notrious for that in the past is now looking at TNA and laughing in their faces thanks to a couple of shrewd moves thanks to their yearly reset in the WWE Draft. The draft has allowed a reshuffling of sorts to make WWE show off new talent in lieu of a couple of injuries and a switch in networks for their B-Show. CM Punk is now the top man on the head brand of the top show in cable television. A guy who two years ago arrived to much anticipation thanks to his indy career (interesting...) and won over the fans thanks to his unique wrestling style (go on...) and eventually won over management thanks to his hard work in the ring and his ability to get the fans involved. (Sounds familiar.) You do realize by now that you can plug in Samoa Joe where CM Punk's name is and it still works.
The issue is that while Joe got to that point, TNA, for whatever reason, hasn't shown much faith in him. WWE, on the other hand, is showing complete faith in Punk by putting him at the top of the card and making him successful. Him winning the belt, even if it isn't in the long run, is still a huge step forward in the pushing of new talent. Him coming from ECW, working hard there, winning that title, and then eventually moving up the card makes him a huge success story in the eye of the fans. That gives guys like Evan Bourne and Braden Walker, two new guys who are physically impressive (with Bourne being one of the most impressive talents on WWE TV in a LONG time) a chance to get fans interested in them long enough for them to get behind them. Someone like Punk winning wasn't necessarily a fluke as it was a payoff. Right now, Joe winning the belt, winning a 3-way, a King of the Mountain match, and a big schmozz with Booker T isn't making him look strong in the eyes of the fans. Nobody is going to believe a guy is a strong champion unless he starts taking down opponents one on one and does it without blinking an eye, which is how he won the belt in the first place, and is how he became who he was in Ring of Honor. Even if Punk IS going to be dropping the belt to Batista, he's at least getting direct wins over higher ups.
For TNA to try and get better as opposed to giving these guys hanging on by a thread more and more shots at trying to reclaim old glory, they need to seriously look at getting other guys into the fold. Right now, Joe is the only guy outside of AJ Styles who's anywhere near the top of the card, and Styles hasn't been a title contender in a very long time. Everyone else is a product of another promotion, whether it was WWE, WCW or ECW. Time for TNA to stop grinding its wheels and get some new blood into the main event picture before the guy who was supposed to liven up things becomes an also-ran.
I know what you mean.They could have pushed guys like Christopher daniels,Kaz,James storm,Rob Roode and Styles into the main event picture but nooooooo,we have to have all these ex wwe and wcw guys main eventing PPVs(Kaz only got his spot due to angle being injured)Agree with you on what you wrote.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Finally! Somebody realises that joe looks lame now, tna aint givin him worthy opponents. ratings show it, the impact after joe won had A 0.9 RATING! Angle is at fault, Total Nonstop Angle, kurt and karan have to step out of the main picture and let the rest have an opportunity cos they are killing tna slowly, and the sad part is russo and managment dont see it.....
Tna STOP PUSHING WWE REJECTS!
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Hey, I've been saying it for years. TNA just doesn't seem interested in creating new stars (Outside of the Knockouts) and that's going to cost them. They have a great talent base of young guys but relying way too much on guys past their prime to carry them and that can cost them down the road.
Posted By: Michael Weyer (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Contrast how TNA brings in new talent as opposed to how Vince would bring in new talent.
Vince would support his home grown talent and use wrestlers from other federations to as jobbers. That's because Vince believes his product is superior and that he supports it.
TNA on the other hand buries its home grown talent in favor of ex-WWE/WCW/ECW types. In the end, the homegrown TNA types look weak and TNA just looks like WWE's C or D show.
There's a lot TNA can do to correct this, but they need to use guys like Cage, Angle, Sting, Booker, Nash, Team 3D, etc. to put over guys like Joe, Styles, Lethal, Roode, LAX, Machine Guns, etc.
TNA don't be afraid to support your own guys. Let them win over established stars from other federations. It actually makes you look stronger, not weaker.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Ok.. how many Young Stars have main evented wwe ppvs Kids?
Kennedy? MVP? Umaga?
You still have the same old Batista, Cena, HBK, Undertaker, Triple H, Edge in your main events.
Posted By: Maryse is Miz (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Its a double edged sword. People complain about their use of young talent but if they did push young talent to the moon, everyone would complain about vets being disrespected. TNA can't win either way.
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Nice article. It's hard to imagine that at one time, Joe was the hottest thing in wrestling. TNA royally screwed themselves by not having Joe face (and beat) Jarrett at Bound For Glory, instead opting to go with Sting. Joe was an unstoppable monster at that point and had the fans in the palm of his hand. Wrestling isn't complicated - when a wrestler is as hot as Joe was, and can bring the goods in the ring, you push him to the top and take advantage of him while he's still super-over. Look at how they completely tore down LAX after they became the most over team in wrestling for another example of their ineptitude.
I wouldn't have a problem with Joe having to face guys like Sting, Nash, and Booker T if it was apparent that they were using the old guys to make Joe look strong and usher in a new breed of stars. But that's obviously not happening. TNA had a golden opportunity to take advantage of the three-way feud between Joe, Daniels, and Styles and create three new, solid main eventers to build around. They failed miserably with that, so why are we supposed to believe that they're going to do anything with guys like Kaz or Jay Lethal?
Posted By: Rob (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I can't disagree with you more. In fact I would say you have no business writing a wrestling column about TNA. Tim you are clearly a WWE mark.
"The issue is that while Joe got to that point, TNA, for whatever reason, hasn't shown much faith in him. WWE, on the other hand, is showing complete faith in Punk by putting him at the top of the card and making him successful. Him winning the belt, even if it isn't in the long run, is still a huge step forward in the pushing of new talent."
Really? Let us break down the big wins over top tier talent for Punker.
Edge- Won the belt from Edge in cheap fashion after Batista paved the road.
JBL- Won a cluster of a match with Cena and Cryme Tyme causing JBL to be distracted.
Kane- Won via count out. What? The champ can't even get a clean win over Kane? Then after that stellar victory Punk gets killed by Batista.
So is the WWE really showing faith in Punk? I don't see it. I see a man keeping a belt warm for a juiced up roid freak. Mind you a juiced up roid freak that isn't even really over with the fans. That says to me it is business as usual in the Vinceland. It won't be long before Punk gets lost in the shuffle. Look at the Raw roster. You have HBK, Batista, Jericho, JBL, Orton(when he returns), Oh yeah and that Cena guy. Punk is going to have a hard time competing with that line up.
Now we come to Samoa Joe. The way TNA booked him for over a year was strange. Still Joe has the belt now and he won it clean from Angle in a good clean finish match. Joe didn't need Nash to powerbomb Angle to get the win. Then TNA continued to book Joe in an odd fashion until Victory Road. Victory Road I believe will be viewed as the turning point for Joe and maybe TNA too. TNA had to make Joe look like a killer again. They started doing that on Sunday. Joe brutalized not only Booker but everyone that got in his face. Except Sting. Still Joe made it clear what he thinks of the Stinger. A middle finger and F you is not what you would call a nice greeting. So what if Sting layed him out with a ball bat. If I got hit with a ball bat i'm going down too. This will just intensify the killer in Joe. Sting is going to put Joe over at Bound for Glory.
TNA has been pushing their young talent. The tag titles are on LAX and the x-title is on Petey Williams. Which one of those guys is from the WWE? Now you have Angle putting over Styles after putting over Joe. What more do you want? It amazes me that everyone thinks they can book better than the TNA bookers. If it isn't the way you would book it then it's the wrong way. Vince always seems to get a free pass though. Istead of writing these poorly thought out columns maybe you should try to become a booker for TNA. Then you can take them to the promised land.
Posted By: Optimus Crimelord (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Really good column man, but one thing: "Braden Walker" and "physically impressive" do not belong in the same sentance. Did you SEE him on ECW last week?
Posted By: AdamB1010 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Agreed. In one of Paul Heyman's columns a while back, he criticised TNA for not having its own style. You know what CHIKARA's about, you know what ROH is about, and of course you know what WWE is about.
But TNA? It's a mish-mash of dead feds and half-assed stabs at live feds, and I don't think anybody gets hurt by it more than Joe.
Posted By: Matt P. (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:19 PM
"Even if Punk IS going to be dropping the belt to Batista, he's at least getting direct wins over higher ups."
No he isn't.
He beat Edge with MITB after Batista beat Edge down, he beat JBL thanks to Cena & Cryme Time and he beat Kane on a countout.
The only direct win Punk has gotten since he's had the belt is when he beat Snitsky who could in no way be considered as a 'higher up'.
I agree that TNA isn't doing too well with Joe and that they need to involve younger talent in the mainevent and stop putting guys like Nash and Sting in there but Joe has been booked a lot better as champion than Punk has.
Joe beat Kurt Angle clean on PPV, you won't see CM Punk beat any of the WWE maineventers clean on PPV.
Not to bash Punk's reign, I like CM Punk and I am enjoying his title run, while it lasts..
Posted By: Tyler Durden (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:23 PM
"STOP PUSHING WWE REJECTS!"
Who exactly are WWE rejects? You can only consider someone a reject if they were fired by the WWE or WWE didn't renew their contract.
I'd say Steiner could be considered a WWE reject and Booker T could be too, I have no problem with that.
Kurt Angle and Christian Cage on the other hand wanted out of WWE and both could have stayed with WWE if they wanted to, WWE didn't want to lose them.
Kurt Angle's role right now is to give AJ Styles momentum which is working great, yes the Karen Angle thing can get a bit too much at times but the feud is making AJ look strong.
Christian Cage needs to be used to help get guys like James Storm and Robert Roode more over, he's wasted tagging with Rhino against Team 3D.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM
"Its a double edged sword. People complain about their use of young talent but if they did push young talent to the moon, everyone would complain about vets being disrespected. TNA can't win either way. "
Yeah exactly, the same problem with the WWE too.
People say Joe should be champ, he gets the belt and then people bash him and say he's too fat to be the champ.
People say Punk should be champ, he gets the belt and then people bash his look and say he isn't worthy.
Posted By: Harvey (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Didn't Team 3D put over LAX!
Didn't Angle put over Joe, Lethal, and Styles!
Didn't Booker put over Roode.
Didn't Cage put over Kaz.
Isn't Storm, Roode, and Young moving up the ladder.
Like all promotion, you need to have your top draws in the main event scene. Joe, Angle, Booker, Styles, and Sting are your top draws!!! I was at Victory Road live, so I can tell by the crowd reaction.
Isn't Abyss a huge star in TNA!
Posted By: Bunkhouse Buck (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I guess those that are not worshipping at the feet of Dixie Carter have to be WWE marks? How about people that don't like seeing Joe made out to be a weak champ. And he IS being forced to take a back seat to Sting, Booker T and Nash while he is champ.
As far as the comment 'You still have the same old Batista, Cena, HBK, Undertaker, Triple H, Edge in your main events. ' I give you the perfect example of developing your own talent then rewarding them with pushes. Who does TNA have at the top...all guys from other promotions.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Who does TNA have at the top...all guys from other promotions.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Every TNA title holder is a TNA original.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:49 PM
I think it is funny everyone is quick to bash TNA for pushing "WWE Rejects." Especially when you look like ten years ago.
WWE was pushing 'WCW rejects' that went on to be ICONS in this industry. Some prime examples Steve Austin, Triple H, and Mick Foley just to name a few.
As for using older former WWE talent to get over less known TNA talent. I think they are actually doing smart business right now.
For realistic how many more years do the likes of Sting, Booker T, Nash, 3-D, and Angle really have left in the industry.
It simple Use the old to get over unknown. Once the unknown becomes household names then you have roster built for years to come.
Posted By: Sean O (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 01:49 PM
"So is the WWE really showing faith in Punk? I don't see it. I see a man keeping a belt warm for a juiced up roid freak. Mind you a juiced up roid freak that isn't even really over with the fans."
Really? Every report from the house shows this past weekend where Punk and Batista fought had Batista getting cheered, and Punk booed, even when Batista attacked Punk after Punk beat him cleanly.
Posted By: Guest#9658 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Yea, I'm disagreeing with this column for the most part as it reeks of WWE Draft hangover. Yea, things got shuffled around for the better in WWE, but its only a matter of time before things are back to business as usual.
Punk hardly looks like the top dog of anything. I like CM Punk. For the most part I always have. But its funny that just weeks into his title run people are already saying that he's a better champion than Joe. How so? He beat a half concious Edge thanks to prior help from Batista. He beat JBL in a schmoz. He beat Snitzky clean (boy, what a victory), and got a wiley count out victory over Kane (to his credit) only to get bitched by Batista. He barely gets promo time, and he looks like Batista jobber-fodder for it. The way Raw looks, I care more about Cena and Cryme Time than I do CM Punk. Hell I care more about Jamie Noble than I do Punk (That's just the way its presented).
To me, TNA is only following the time-honored tradition of the veterans getting the younger guys over. Booker T didn't come into the company and automatically get pushed to the main event. He first had to attempt to put Roode over. Sad thing is, Robert Roode never got over. Now, he's putting over Joe as a credible champion in what will probably be a prolonged feud. Kurt Angle put Joe over in their encounters, Christian helped put Joe over by losing clean to him. Kurt lost to Joe clean by losing to him, but yet TNA shows no faith in Joe? Gimme a break.
The icing on the cake:
"Right now, Joe winning the belt, winning a 3-way, a King of the Mountain match, and a big schmozz with Booker T isn't making him look strong in the eyes of the fans."
Sooo....Joe winning clean to the top dog Kurt Angle isn't helping him?
Joe winning a three way match against Steiner and a very capable up and comer Kaz (which was originally slated to be Kurt Angle) isn't helping him?
Joe going down in history as the first man to retain his title in the King of the Mountain Match isn't helping him?
Joe brutalizing Booker T, proving to the kayfabe neysayers that he can't beat someone the calibur of Booker T one on one isn't helping him? Maybe if you would've watched the ppv, you'd see that Joe did everything but kill Booker T on his own, then the schmoz happened. Joe looked like a monster doing it, yet its not helping him?
Joe going one on one against (in their eyes anyway) the icon Sting won't be helping him?
WWE is doing Punk no favors by giving him a weak ass title run. I hope they can prove me wrong by having Punk go over Batista...I'm not holding my breath on it.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 02:43 PM
"So is the WWE really showing faith in Punk? I don't see it. I see a man keeping a belt warm for a juiced up roid freak. Mind you a juiced up roid freak that isn't even really over with the fans."
Really? Every report from the house shows this past weekend where Punk and Batista fought had Batista getting cheered, and Punk booed, even when Batista attacked Punk after Punk beat him cleanly.
Posted By: Guest#9658 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Hmmm... well the crowd on Raw last night wasn't all that warm to Batista. Batista is a joke. His move set, charisma, and promo work are all garbage. The only reasons Batista is at the top of the food chain are his physique and his friendship with the great and powerful HHH. Other than that he is a typical muscle head.
I like Punk. I wish they would give him a real shot. However past track records show otherwise. The WWE is going to bury Punk in this mess. There are only two companies in the world where Punk would truly be appreciated. That is ROH and TNA. TNA and ROH should never have let him get away. My feeling is you will see him back in one of those companies before it is all over.
Sorry for crapping on Batista. It is only my opinion.
Posted By: Optimus Crimelord (Registered) on July 15, 2008 at 02:57 PM
You're writing this column now when i think it'd be more appropriate if we ran into these problems later down the road in Joe's reign. While its longer than CM Punk's reign, its still early into it considering that TNA has made it clear that they're invested in a lengthy Joe title run. So the necessary steps have to be taken.
First step of the process is establishing Joe as a credible champion by having him go over former credible champions and veterans. i.e. Scott Steiner, Kurt Angle, Booker T, Sting. Yes they may be past their primes, but they're at that point in their career where it is their job/duty to put over younger talent and they're doing just that. I'd say this process will wrap up somewhere around BFG when Joe (hopefully) pins Sting, since Sting is still seen as a level above the current veterans w/ his ICON status.
From there, we should get the filtering in of fresh new contenders into the main event, AJ Styles (who's getting a rub from Angle), Kaz (who's gotten a rub from Angle and is making a name for himself), Matt Morgan (who's being groomed to be a future superstar in TNA), Robert Roode, James Storm, and Abyss.
And you still have your "WWE rejects" who can be re-established as TNA household names. Rhino and Tomko never fully ascended the ranks of WWE and can make a new name for themselves in TNA. One good push can see them entered into the main event scene. Christian is at a point in his career where he can still hang with the best young talent TNA has to offer. He can still put on classic matches with Samoa Joe.
With the exodus of Chris Harris and the Naturals left a void in the tag team scene in TNA. This void is able to be filled by the likes of the Motor City Machine Guns and LAX. Team 3D is your veteran team that is good for putting over the younger tag teams and they have the charisma to make any feud great if given the opportunity to work the mic. You still have the possiblity of throwing together two midcard singles wrestlers that can get over. James Storm and Robert Roode have been instant hits
This article would've been better served 6 months from now if we still had these problems.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 03:04 PM
batista triple h and mark henry isnt the youngsters too and sting is the legend you dumbass
Posted By: Guest#6966 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 04:39 PM
First of all, All of TNA's champions have never been in WWE. Taylor doesn't count, either. Angle has been putting over TNA guys left and right, sometimes when they don't even want him to (Lethal). We haven't even seen Impact yet so we don't even know yet where they're going with that Victory Road main event deal. We have to wait and see on that one still.
Now, Raw is doing good things as well but they certainly aren't fully getting behind CM Punk. His matches are in the middle of the card against nobody special and his only solid win was over Snitsky. Despite what you guys think, Batista is still VERY over with the crowd. No matter how much the bury him, and they have been burying him, the crowd still loves the guy. Despite this, I don't think Punk will be losing to Batista. I'm betting they're match will end in shenanigans so they can build a feud going towards SummerSlam.
TNA Impact has actually gotten MUCH better over the past two months but in the eyes of the IWC they can't do anything right.
Posted By: JTX (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Are you guys serious?
JOE, a lameduck champion? lol
Here's JOE, the guy that everyone on this site has been crying to see at the top of the card for two years, and you guys shit on him, once he gets there?
What was the point in clamoring to see him at the top, if you jokes still are complaining?
TNA is making a megastar out of JOE, by doing the exact same thing that people are crying about TNA never doing; they're booking him to go over all of the ex-WWE/WCW talent!
As much as this site doesn't like to give credit for, JOE has been building his name recognition, with the ENTIRE wrestling fanbase, by going over guys like Angle, Steiner, Booker and others, names that the wrestling audience recognizes. In the near future, you can probably add names like Nash and Sting to that list.
How would any of that hurt JOE?
Vince Russo, probably the most vilified man on the net, often makes the near dire mistake of assuming that the IWC=The wrestling audience, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. And to think, the only writer, who actively tries to book toward the net, is the most hated guy in wrestling. lol.
The fact is, as much of the IWC indie fanboys would cream their pants over seeing JOE/Kaz, JOE/Roode, etc, in the main event, none of those feuds would do as much for JOE's developing stardom than a JOE/Booker or a JOE/Sting feud would.
Now this is not to knock the talent of the young guys that I mentioned, this is merely facts; the wrestling audience doesn't buy guys like Daniels, Roode and Kaz, as main event talents just yet. Because, they haven't proven it against guys that the audience percieves as main event talent.
Simple example, look at AJ Styles. After AJ, hopefully, goes over Angle at BFG 2008, there will be no doubt that AJ is a bonafide main event star to the wrestling audience, for the simple fact that he would've proven his ability against, arguably, the biggest name in TNA. A JOE/AJ world title feud after BFG, would completely eclipse the draw of a JOE/AJ world title feud in 2005, there is no doubt in my mind.
Why not feed JOE the Angle's, Booker's, Steiner's, Sting's, and Nash's of the world?
These guys are on their way out of the business, and they can use what's left of their star to make JOE look like an even bigger star, and then help elevate the other younger guys, before they leave.
Sting's in his last year, and Angle, Book, Nash, Steiner and other are not too far behind.
What sense does it make to put unproven talent in the main event?
Posted By: scipio2009 (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 04:55 PM
'WWE, on the other hand, is showing complete faith in Punk by putting him at the top of the card and making him successful.'
Please explain how a opportunist MITB win for the title, a match against Snitsky, then getting beat down during the next show, followed by being squashed in 2 minutes in a dark main event = making him successful ???
Your points about Joe were good, but totally ruined by the absurd WWE ass kissing.
I strongly suspect that in a years time Joe will still be in the TNA title picture, and Punk will be back on ECW drawing NO BUYS.
Posted By: Rob~! (Guest) on July 15, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Yea, but Maryse is Miz, CM Punk is the champion right now. That's the point that he's making. You shouldn't be a smartass.
Posted By: The Dude (Guest) on July 16, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Sting is back...then he's gone...whoops, he's back.....and Steve, the 90s called. They want their Crow outfit back.
If Angle is hurt..and it looks like hes shrunk a bit since leaving WWE, keep him out of the ring, ok? And lets move Nash on to something other than...whatever hes doing...and don't ever let Scott Steiner in the building again...
Posted By: McGovern (Guest) on July 17, 2008 at 06:46 PM
For every mistake TNA makes WWE makes twenty five.
Posted By: Darren (Guest) on July 19, 2008 at 10:04 AM
