411s Wrestler of the Week 09.29.08: Week 26
Posted by Larry Csonka on 09.29.2008
The Great Muta becomes the most powerful man in Japan, Lance Cade pins HBK, Drake Younger wins the 2008 TPI, Speed Muscle wins the Dragon Gate's Open the Twin Gate titles, the Colons become WWE Tag Team Champions and more! But who had the goods to take home the WOTW award? Check out the latest edition of 411's Wrestler of the Week for all the details!
Welcome to Week 26, Year-FOUR, of 411's Wrestler of the Week. A quick overview to kick things off as we have some new rules for year four
Each writer chooses FIVE wrestlers from any promotion and each wrestler gets a point total attached to that ranking. It looks a little like this
Then we tally up the votes and the official 411 Wrestler of the Week is crowned. But wait, there's more! Each week the top SIX vote getters get a points value for their ranking which looks something like this
1st - 15
2nd - 12
3rd - 9
4th - 6
5th - 3
6th - 1
...and they go towards the 411 Wrestler of the Year award to be announced each year at WrestleMania. This will be posted every Monday. Let's see who wins this week
The Voting~! Michael Bauer
1) The Great Muta
What Muta accomplished in Japan this week is the equivalent of when Chris Jericho became the first Undisputed Champion, holding both the World and WWE Heavyweight Titles. Winning the Triple Crown AND being the IWPG Heavyweight Champion, Muta is now the most dominant and decorated champion in Japan today, with two of top three titles in Japanese wrestling. One can only wonder if he will get a chance to hold all three.
2) Speed Muscle (Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino): Speed Muscle do it again, winning the Open the Twin Gate Titles in Dragon Gate.
3) Drake Younger: He won the Ted Petty Invitational, which is bigger than Stevens winning the Peterson Cup.
4) Erick Stevens
5) Carlito and Primo Colon
Christi Csonka
1) Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle
These two guys are keeping me interested and making me care for a second week in a row. It is also because of these two, along with Sting and Joe that I am looking forward to Bound for Glory.
2) Speed Muscle (Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino): I fell in love with these guys in their stint in TNA, and winning the Open the Twin Gate Titles is good enough for second place with me!
3) The Great Muta: I guess I need to call him "Keiji Muto" to be cool, but to me he is still the Great Muta. He is now the most decorated major champion in Japan, and he deserves the credit.
4) Lance Cade
5) Naomichi Marufuji
Andy Clark
1) The Great Muta
Defeated Suwama to win the Triple Crown title and now holds two of the biggest titles in Japan as he is also the IWGP Champion.
2) Lance Cade: Got a big win as he scored the pin on Shawn Michaels in the main event of the 800th episode of Raw.
3) Drake Younger: Won the Ted Petty Invitational, the one this IWA-MS does that is even remotely relevant.
4) Erick Stevens
5) Carlito & Primo Colon
Ryan Byers
1) Keiji Mutoh - Though All Japan Pro Wrestling has sadly fallen to third in the "big three" of Japanese promotions, their Triple Crown championship has more history and great matches associated with it than almost any other title in professional wrestling, regardless of the country. Thus, almost any time that the strap changes hands, it's a major deal. However, it's an even bigger deal this week because of who took home the gold. The new titleholder is Keiji "The Great Muta" Mutoh, who defeated young up and comer Suwama over the weekend. The victory is doubly impressive because Mutoh is now a three-time Triple Crown holder and because he is only the second man in history to simultaneously hold two major Japanese crowns, as he is also the reigning IWGP Champion. I don't know if NOAH will come on board on not, but I'm begging for somebody to book Muta versus Kensuke Sasaki for the GHC Title backed with a storyline of whether Keiji can take home all three big belts.
2) Lance Cade - Pinning Shawn Michaels in the main event of the most watched wrestling show of the week means either one of two things: a) WWE has big plans for the guy or b) WWE wants to put a little bit of heat on him so that Shawn can beat him this coming Monday in what would otherwise have been a heatless match. I'll give him second place because we can't know which is actually the case, but, as I'm fond of pointing out with these "upset" wins, it could either mean everything or nothing to the guy's career depending on how the promotion decides to follow up.
3) Drake Younger - IWA Mid-South is a tiny promotion, and I'd rather run a hot poker through my eye than give them money after some of the B.S. Ian Rotten has pulled, but the fact of the matter is that they do help to launch the careers of some independent talent, and Drake Younger may be the next person to fall in to that category. His IWA matches already convinced CHIKARA to book him on a semi-regular basis, and, now that he's won the Ted Petty Invitational tournament and had well-received series of bouts in the process, his stock will no doubt rise even further.
4) Speed Muscle
5) The Colons
Matt Short
1) Keiji "The Great Muta" Muto
Unseated Suwama this weekend to claim the All Japan Triple Crown title under his Great Muta character. Muto already holds the IWGP Heavyweight Title in New Japan and with the addition of the three belts that make up the Triple Crown, he's carrying some serious hardware. Add onto this the fact that he's champion of two out of Japan's Big Three and Muto is pretty much the god of Japanese wrestling right now. This also adds extra interest on Muto's coming IWGP Title defense against Shinsuke Nakamura.
2) Lance Cade: He surprised many people when he first aligned with Chris Jericho against Shawn Michaels. It's been awhile since then and a lot of the initial surprise has worn off, but this week the WWE looked like it's finally decided to pull the trigger on a Lance Cade push by having him pin Michaels in the main event of Raw this week. If something more comes out of this remains to be seen, but for this week Cade rules in the Raw main event.
3) Drake Younger: The 2008 Ted Petty Invitational winner. Probably one of the few things IWA-MS does that still has any meaning, the TPI has launched the careers of many past winners including AJ Styles and Evan Bourne. Younger got famous for his death matches, but his wrestling talent is wasted in them. Hopefully with this he can leave those behind and continue to develop as a wrestler.
4) Naomichi Marufuji
5) Speed Muscle
Aaron Hubbard
1) Speed Muscle
I wonder if people remember these guys from TNA? Anyway, their win was one of the few things I cared about in a rather quiet week for American Mainstream Wrestling. Hopefully things pick up next week.
2) Bryan Danielson: Had a fantastic match with Tyler Black at New Horizons. Tyler deserves credit for this as well, but American Dragon won. He gets my vote out of the two.
3) Muta: First off, let it be known that I hate Muta. Personal bias aside, he got a huge win this week and he deserves credit for that. I'm sure enough people will put him first to make up for me refusing to put him in the #1 spot.
4) Lance Cade
5) Carlito & Primo Colon
Jarrod Westerfeld
1) Keiji Mutoh
So the myth and the legend, Keiji Mutoh has once again laid claim to the Triple Crown Championship over the young star Suwama. This is the third time Mutoh has been the holder of this most prestigious title out of Japan. Considering the feud that has been running between NJPW and AJPW, one can only speculate if perhaps this will lead to the one dream match that has been thought about for almost 20 years, but has never happened: Keiji Mutoh versus The Great Muta. Gee, I wonder who would win that bout, and just how that could be booked? Clearly both men are awesome, and two completely different people. Clearly.
2) Naomichi Marufuji: While it's not the biggest title victory one can claim considering the fall of the Super Juniors division, Marufuji beating out Hijikata for the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight title only reinforces how big a star Marufuji is. This title win brings him back into the limelight and reminds us of the value of Marufuji in the singles world.
3) The Colons (Primo and Carlito): Winning the tag titles in the WWE may not mean as much as they used to, but Primo and Carlito have gained some notoriety from this title victory and it might just be the right move in the rebuilding of this division.
4) Lance Cade
5) Drake Younger
Robert S. Leighty Jr
1) Keiji Mutoh
It was a quiet week here with the Big 2, and that opens up the door for Mutoh. Winning Gold is always a plus, and while I don't follow too much wrestling from Japan, I do know The Triple Crown is a huge deal.
2) Carlito and Primo Colon: We actually got decent Tag Wrestling from the WWE this week (on RAW and SD), and the big story were that new WWE Tag Champions were crowned. We will just have to see how long this attention to the Tag Titles last, but for 1 week it was good times.
3) Lance Cade: He pinned Shawn Michaels. That is enough to get him a nod in my voting for the week.
4) Drake Younger
5) Beer Money Inc
ARI
1) Keiji Mutoh
Let's hear it for the old timers! First Sasaki unseats Morishima in NOAH and now Mutoh picks up the Triple Crown over Suwama. Maybe Ric Flair should come out of retirement and go on a tour of Japan!
2) Lance Cade: Who knows if he has to return the job this week upcoming, but for now, a win against Shawn Michaels is a win against Shawn Michaels, meaning a damned good accomplishment.
3) Jeff Jarrett: A heartfelt promo against Kurt Angle actually gives me hope that TNA can sell a pay per view just by concentration on a simple but effective storyline. Jarrett's real life pain translates into incredible wrestling art for the second week in a row.
4) Naomichi Marufuji
5) Drake Younger
Michael O
1) Lance Cade
Lance Cade wasn't the best wrestler of the week, really only putting in about a minute or two at the end of RAW's 6-Man tag. But after several months spent as nothing more than scenery for the best feud of the year, he did achieve the holy-shit-I-thought-he-was-just-going-to-get-superkicked-and-jobbed-but-he-didn't moment of the week by pinning Shawn Michaels. And since this is 411's North American Wrestler of the week, that's enough to get the top spot from me.
2) The Great Muta: Wait a sec...this column isn't called 411's North American Wrestler of the week? Then why in the world do people always give Berman and the Berenstein bear so much shit?
3) Charlie Haas: Sorry other wrestlers who actually wrestled and/or accomplished things, but Charlie's skit on RAW was "perfect" and was also the best wrestling related thing I saw all week.
4) Naomichi Marufuji
5) Speed Muscle
Jeremy Thomas
1) Keiji Mutoh
The Great Muta won the Triple Crown Title for a third time, and is now a double (quadruple?) current champion. It's just another feather in the cap of a legendary career, and it definitely makes Muta the guy with the best week this time around.
2) Lance Cade: Holy shit, they remembered that they were once trying to push Cade a little. He may not have been incredibly involved, but it's not just anyone who gets a pin on Michaels. Considering that Michaels & Jericho have been largely writing their own feud and they both like Cade, this could mean very good things for him. Or he could get squashed this week...we'll see.
3) The Colon Brothers: Well, I'll be damned, Carlito and Primo got a title win. Good for them. Maybe Carlito will stop griping, and Primo has a chance in the 'E.
4) Erick Stevens
5) Jeff Jarrett
Samuel Berman
1) Drake Younger
While I freely admit that Keiji Mutoh's Triple Crown victory is technically a bigger deal than Drake's Ted Petty Invitational win, my standard has always been to showcase up-and-coming talent over established stars. Drake is one of the many potentially great performers working their way up the American Independent circuit, having transcended the Death Match division to become a legitimately talented technical wrestler. While this year's TPI field was decimated by injuries and last-minute changes, Drake still went through a number of other key IWA Mid-South performers to follow in the footsteps of men like AJ Styles, Matt Sydal and Low Ki.
2) Keiji Mutoh: Regained All Japan's Triple Crown championship by defeating Suwama.
3) Erick Stevens: Won the Jeff Peterson Memorial Cup, cementing his spot as the top man in Florida's Independent scene.
4) Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino
5) Naomichi Marufuji
Bayani Domingo
1) Drake Younger
TPI winner and a surprise at that. Younger has been a regular in the Mid-West for the past few years and his win in the TPI could be the start of a turning point in his career. Younger's win at this point in his career means more to him now than even Mutoh's big win.
2) Keiji Mutoh - Mutoh/Muta won the Triple Crown from Suwama and continues to rule at the top of the Puro hierarchy even into his senior years.
3) Primo and Carlito Colon - Title win means...nothing really, but at least Carlito has some more gold and maybe the Tag Division will perk up a bit now.
4) Erick Stevens
5) Naomichi Marufuji
JT
1) Keiji Mutoh
Won the Triple Crown Championship by beating Suwama.
2) Lance Cade: Holy Shit.
3) The Colons: I swear to you I had honestly forgotten that the Edge guys were tag champs. That is another sad reminder of exactly how much merit the tag team division in WWE merits. That being said, Primo has gotten off to a good start with WWE and his presence has seemed to spark some sort of life into Carlito. We'll see how long that lasts.
4) Jeff Jarrett
5) Speed Muscle
Larry Csonka
1) Keiji Mutoh
Keiji Muto def. Suwama to win the Triple Crown. He now becomes a three-time Triple Crown holder, AND, as he is also the IWPG Heavyweight Champion. Muto simultaneously holds two of Japan's three major championships and right now is dominating the Japanese scene. ROCK ON~!
2) Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle: Another outstanding night of work on the mic for these two, they are doing a lot to build for Bound for Glory and need to be commended for that.
3) Speed Muscle (Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino): They defeated Ryo Saito & Susumu Yokosuka to win Dragon Gate's Open the Twin Gate titles on 9/26.
4) Naomichi Marufuji
5) Drake Younger
THE WINNERS~!
Special Mention Naomichi Marufuji and Jeff Jarrett - 15 Votes
Fifth Place Carlito and Primo Colon - 20 Votes
Fourth Place Speed Muscle (Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino) - 23 Votes
Third Place Drake Younger - 30 Votes
Drake Younger did battle for two nights and came out victorious in the 2008 Ted Petty Invitational
Second Place Lance Cade - 38 Votes
Lance Cade shocks the wrestling world by stepping out of the shadows of Chris Jericho and scoring a HUGE pin over Shawn Michaels!
Wrestler of the Week Keiji "The Great Muta" Mutoh - 68 Votes
The Great Muta shows that he still has something left to offer and he now holds both the Triple Crown and IWGP Heavyweight titles. Muta better get someone to help him out, those four belts will weigh him down.!
Yearend Standings~!
Some big changes this week as Mutoh takes an important first place victory to climb the ranks. But the big news is that Lance Cade, Masato Yoshino and Naruki Doi have cracked the top part of the list.
Guys like Jarrett, Angle, Cade, and The Colons had better weeks than Muta. Muta's win is nowhere near as prestigious, visible, or important.
Posted By: K-Money (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM
JERICHO FOR WRESTLER OF THE MILLENIUM~!
Posted By: m8 (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Props to Mr. O for giving Haas dome love. How about Khali for actually getting chants?
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Just wait for the slanging to start. Muta deserved to win and should be higher on the list. Any trolling today will be VERY ignorant.
Posted By: Chris Nelson (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Oh shit! Muta won WOTW... HERE WE GO!
Posted By: soulpower (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:24 PM
The Great Muta fuckin' deserves it. Look at what he achieved and is currently right now. He's the best wrestler in Japan, even though he's not my favorite. But i'm not taking anything back...he rightfully deserves it. He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and single handedly created one of the greatest wrestling terms of all time. (Muta scale for you mainstream wrestling elitists)
So props to him. If you think it's horrible he won the WOTW, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE A WRESTLING FAN AT ALL!
Also props goes out to Speed Muscle for winning the Twin Gate belts. They also deserve. Best tag team on the freakin' planet right now.
Posted By: Kevin F. (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Imagine you're watching ESPN for the latest baseball scores, and all of a sudden they start talking about the Wilber, MN Pee-Wee league. Seriously. Then they start talking about the Japanese league. Seriously.
That's how some of us who don't buy every ROH and Puroresu PPV feel when you list Japanese, Mexican and Indies. No offense meant, but it's a fact.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Don't care about Japan, or the indies.
1.Kurt Angle
2.Jeff Jarett
3.The Colons
4.Lance Cade
5.Charlie Hass
Posted By: Macc Diesel (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 02:24 PM
"Imagine you're watching ESPN for the latest baseball scores, and all of a sudden they start talking about the Wilber, MN Pee-Wee league. Seriously. Then they start talking about the Japanese league. Seriously.
That's how some of us who don't buy every ROH and Puroresu PPV feel when you list Japanese, Mexican and Indies. No offense meant, but it's a fact.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 01:37 PM"
So thet fact that not everyone watches these promotions means they shouldn't be mentioned? Are you kidding me?
Posted By: Emulamaster (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 02:25 PM
Meh, All these idiots commenting thinking anything not WWE or TNA is minor league. Wake up guys, there is wrestling in other countries and they actually treat wrestling with respect instead of making it a sideshow attraction for rednecks.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM
How many of the voters here saw the match in which they Muta wrestled in....not one of you mentioned how good the match was. So, for a "lesser" organization all you need is to accomplish something...while the "mainstream" organization requires it to also be a good match...
This thing, week by week is getting to be more of a joke.
Posted By: Guest#6502 (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 03:18 PM
It's funny how many people pretend what this is "US Wrestler of the week" or even "WWE Wrestler of the week".
Posted By: L'Mago (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 03:32 PM
it never ceases to amaze me that people I've never eeeeeever heard of, from companies I've never eeeeeever heard of are on these lists every wek. Please stop voting for nobodies.
Posted By: luke (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 03:45 PM
@Guest#6502:
With all due respect, WOTW is not becoming more of a joke, even by your criteria. We're as much a joke this week as we were last week, and the week before, and the week before.
Which is to say, not one, but even if you think the column is, it's certainly not gotten worse, just stayed consistant.
Just sayin'.
Posted By: Jeremy Thomas (Registered) on September 29, 2008 at 03:54 PM
@
"So thet fact that not everyone watches these promotions means they shouldn't be mentioned? Are you kidding me?"
Please point out where I said "they shouldn't be mentioned" and I'll eat my keyboard. In fallacious thinking this is called a "strawman"; making up a position I don't hold and attacking that instead of what I actually said.
I was actually just making a point about how some people probably feel when indies and Japan are mentioned.
Chuck Taylor is in my top three favorite active wrestlers, btw.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Aaahhh...soon as I saw the news blurb about Muta as triple crown champ, I knew the shit was gonna hit the fan in this article. The delicious, delicous drama. Go straight to the comments section, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.
Posted By: BJC (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 04:35 PM
Every week, starting this week, I will say: New Japan has been the number two company in the world since the WWF had it's boom and was number one before it. WCW was number two post NWO but now they are dead and NJPW is number two again. Yes, NJPW is bigger than TNA. So is NOAH. So is Dragon Gate. So is All Japan. They draw bigger crowds and make more money. Accept this.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Wow, do all these people leaving comments have a case of xenophobia or something?
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Hey Westerfield,
This is going to be nitpicking, but whatever. This weekend, Marafugi actually won the All Japan Pro Wrestling (AJPW) Jr. Heavyweight title, and not the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight title.
Low-Ki won the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight title two weeks ago, I believe.
Posted By: scipio2009 (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 05:23 PM
The Year Three Winner should be No.1 every week because he is the only one who can stop THE Triple H. Triple H= Dictator of Smackdown.
Posted By: Guest#6853 (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Whoops, Scipio beatme to it
Posted By: Ben (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Ryan,
If you're watching ESPN for the baseball scores, and they talk about the scores for the Wilbur, MN Pee-Wee league and the Japanese scores. Guess what, they're still talking about baseball scores.
If you're watching an interview with the owner of your favorite team, and all he wants to talk about is his Grandson's little league team and how well they're doing, then you'd have a point. But this column isn't just about highlighting what the lowest common denominator wants and watches. It's about showcasing everything in the sport.
Posted By: Mike Campbell (Registered) on September 29, 2008 at 05:56 PM
"What Muta accomplished in Japan this week is the equivalent of when Chris Jericho became the first Undisputed Champion, holding both the World and WWE Heavyweight Titles. "
hahaha WHAT? that's like saying winning a normal tournament on the ATP Tennis tour is like winning a grand slam tournament in tennis
Posted By: hiro (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 06:08 PM
I think a major part of the issue is that the majority of readers on this site are from the US. To use the baseball analogy that was used here, sure, the Japanese league might have great baseball, but generally no one is going to care about who won their title when the MLB playoffs are going on. It's not to say they're not great athletes or ball players over there, but given the audience of this site, no one cares.
On top of that, the IWC writers have a reputation as a whole for being arrogant elitists who hate anything mainstream for the sake of it and talk about how much they love indies/Japan/etc. to sound smart. I don't know a lot about either, but I have immensely enjoyed any ROH and puro stuff I have seen. It's great wrestling (usually). But to say that they have the same kind of audience and scope as WWE or even TNA is just silly.
Posted By: Snabbit (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 07:24 PM
"Meh, All these idiots commenting thinking anything not WWE or TNA is minor league. Wake up guys, there is wrestling in other countries and they actually treat wrestling with respect instead of making it a sideshow attraction for rednecks.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) "
You are sadly mistaken, my friend. There ARE NO other countries or at least none that would matter.
Posted By: Guest#9341 (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 08:02 PM
"Imagine you're watching ESPN for the latest baseball scores, and all of a sudden they start talking about the Wilber, MN Pee-Wee league. Seriously. Then they start talking about the Japanese league. Seriously."
ESPN often talks about non-MLB baseball when it's a big deal, like the Little League World Series. So you're attempt at discrediting this article only reinforce it.
Posted By: August (Guest) on September 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM
So this is going to be one LONG ass rant because for what ever reason the last two WOTW s have gotten to me do to the comments. I am sorry if the grammer and spelling are bad but I am just going with this.
People will say I am an elitist or just ignore what I say since there shot attiontion spans will tell them to skip this. If you dont understand that pro wrestling is more than just the WWE and TNA you need to wake the FUCK up.
Look no one is going to argue that the WWE is not the #1 promotion in the world they are and they are Head and shoulders above their nearest rival for that distinction, which by the way is south of the border. That is right the number 2 promotion in the world right now is AAA. What Ryan Byers said last week about the bias of this column being the lack of Lucha Libra, and the lack of coverage it gets on this site is without a doubt its biggest fault and should be laid right at the feet of Larry Csonka as to why there is so little coverage of lucha Libra, is 100% right. AAA can be seen in more homes in the US than ANY other wrestling promotion in the US yet it is often ignored here which is sad and shows that people just dont understand the far reaching arm pro wrestling has.
The #3 Promotion in the world is arguably NJPW which is right now the biggest promotion in Japan. If the biggest promotion in Japan can not get coverage in WOTW then there is a Major problem. Maybe its because I am from the IWC that came about in the 90s but when wrestling was god awful to watch in the early to mid 90s many of us turned to Japan for our wrestling fix. Now keep in mind this was BEFORE bit torrents and you tube. Basically you had to sell your soul and do business with RF Video if you wanted to see a lot of this stuff. Their IWGP Titles are some of the most important titles in the world as are there yearly tournaments so to ignore the winners of EITHER is just being ignorent.
The #4 Promotion in the world would probably be CMLL the #2 Lucha Libra Promotion which happens to be the oldest promotion going today and has the top draw in all of pro wrestling whos name is Not John Cena in Mistico. So as in Last week when Villano V won the most important matches in the last 10 years of pro wrestling when it comes to History it should be on this list and should have WON hands down.
The # 5 Promotion would be NOAH which is the #2 promotion in Japan. Being the second most important promotion in Japan which also happens to be the home of Japanese WRESTLING GODs Misawa and Kobashi. Given the fact that most of there young talent wrestles in the US, there bigger names come to the US on occasion and that matches from NOAH are almost always in MOTY talk it might be nice if they are talked about a bit......
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on September 30, 2008 at 01:53 AM
The #6 (notice who we are not to yet) Promotion in the world would be AJPW. Now not what they once where the Triple Crown is still seen by many as one of the most prestigious titles in All of Pro-wrestling and as with NJPW their yearly tournaments are still seen as very important in the WORLD of pro wrestling.
The #7 Promotion in the world would be Dragon Gate. Given the fact that so many of there stars work in the us and that they are the number 4 promotion in Japan major happenings in that promotion should be covered. Also given that they usually have at least one MOTY contender, much like NOAH, it would be nice to know what is going on there.
The #8 Promotion would be TNA. That is right In the WORLD of pro wrestling there are 7 other promotions between them and the WWE. When you take this into account it shows why these other No name promotions should be highlighted and why they are important.
ROH would fall down a bit further on this list but they are the #3 promotion in the US. Back in the mid-90s before ECW had a national TV deal, and most of us had to watch them on VHS tape much like ROH and DVDs, to leave many of there stars off a list like this would be seen as a joke. Yet all I ever hear when it comes to ROH is that do to there not being on TV they should not be on this list. (see AAA as to why this is a BS statement)
Then you have the winners of the Major Indy tournaments specifically PWGs BOLA and IWA-MS TPI. Now PWGs BOLA is still young but its winners have been a whos who for the most part of young up and coming talent meaning that winning is important. The same is VERY true for IWA-MS TPI which would be on a lot of peoples short list of most important tournaments in the world to it elevating young talent that later became major stars.
To the people that say you have to see something happen to know it was important. That makes no since what so ever. If someone wins a title or a fued is ended I dont need to SEE the match to know its a big deal. This article is not about who had the best match its about who had the biggest week. You dont have to see a match to see its ramifications.
As I said maybe its because I am from 10 years ago when instead of complaining about how bad the WWF and WCW where in the early to mid 90s we actually went out and found good wrestling to watch. So many of the people that comment on this site when it comes to wrestling love to use the terms Mark and Smart Fan. I hate the term smart or Smark Fan myself but if those of you that like to thank you are those and dont know about the actual world of Pro Wrestling you need to get a clue. Borden your horizons a bit you might find where the good wrestling is hiding.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on September 30, 2008 at 01:57 AM
"...But this column isn't just about highlighting what the lowest common denominator wants and watches. It's about showcasing everything in the sport."
Posted By: Mike Campbell (Registered) on September 29, 2008 at 05:56 PM
No need to designate the strictly WWE/TNA fans as such, but I see your point.
Hey, if you really don't want to see all these non-mainstream names put in here every week, don't read this column. Better yet, since those same names are popping up in other columns and the news section freuqently, forget this site and go to LordsofPain.net...they barely even mention ROH over there.
Posted By: B.W.G. (Guest) on September 30, 2008 at 02:20 AM
LOL @ Cade geting a "big win" over HBK. It was in a 3-on-2 handicap match, which instantly makes it a hell of a lot less credible, and doesn't really make Cade look dangerous to anyone at all. Cade shouldn't even be on this list at all.
Agree with Muta at #1 though.
Posted By: Dave M (Guest) on September 30, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Sure there is wrestling in other countries, and the WWE provides it. People seem to forget that WWE is global promotion, with more fans worldwide than any of these Japanese promotions. I'm not saying the Japanese stuff shouldn't be mentioned, but the WWE is more important not just because of its influence in the US, but because it reaches more wrestling fans everywhere.
Posted By: Chopper (Guest) on September 30, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Here we go again!! I am definitely a WWE/TNA fan first -- not because I blindly hate on anything indy or international, but because they are the primary (if not only) free/cable TV pro wrestling product available on the market in the US. I have some ROH DVDs, but I don't have the bank account or desire to purchase every other company's DVDs out there or troll through YouTube videos for international stuff just to prove I know so much about wrestling. If other people want to do that, that's their choice and I won't fault them for it.
Bottom line, WWE/TNA fans, give it a f**king rest with the indy/international hate. Even ESPN.com has links to lesser followed American sports like tennis and boxing, as well as international sports stories. By including information about non-mainstream promotions, 411 is simply catering to that audience.
Indy/Puro, etc fans, give it a f**king rest if you're one of those clowns who considers someone a dumbass for not having or even wanting to seek out the resources you have to watch something that, plain and simple, is not as easily accessible to the majority of US professional wrestling fans. Everyone just accept this site for what it is -- a great resource for information on all styles of wrestling that does a helluva job covering it.
Posted By: This Debate is STOOPID!! (Guest) on September 30, 2008 at 09:43 AM
Actually Slayer, it's not Larry's fault that we don't cover Lucha. He is CONSTANTLY asking people to apply to cover Lucha whenever he needs new people, and nobody ever applies for it.
Maybe it's the language barrier. Maybe they hate the Style, like me (spotfests with no psychology don't appeal to me, and I don't care how many rotations you add to it, an armdrag is an armdrag, a rana is a rana and a moonsault is a moonsault). For whatever reason, nobody wants to cover it. So it's not Larry's fault.
Posted By: Aaron Hubbard (Registered) on September 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Mr. Aaron Hubbard
How many articles a day does Larry take from other sites and news letters? You are telling me he can't take the Lucha Libra news from those sites and post them? That is where I am faulting him. Maybe if he did just that he would get a few fans of the product to come to the site on a regular basis and then start doing articles them selves. Might help too if he actually put in the headline "We Want Lucha Libra Writers" Instead of the generic headline that this site usually uses when looking for new writers.
As far as this comment goes. "Maybe they hate the Style, like me (spot fests with no psychology don't appeal to me, and I don't care how many rotations you add to it, an arm drag is an arm drag, a rana is a rana and a moonsault is a moonsault)" then you must think the same thing of TNA. Because 90% of the matches in TNA look just like AAA matches, and AAA is not even the "WRESTLING" promotion in Mexico CMLL is but to each their own.
Oh 90% of it is the Language barrier without question. In Lucha Libra the story lines do matter a bit more than they usually do in Japan so it does make it harder to fallow if you don't know whats going on no question about that
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on September 30, 2008 at 02:28 PM
For once, I agree with this, lol. Muta holding the AJPW and IWGP titles is a much bigger deal than Lance Cade beating Shawn Micheals in a handicap match. I'm also glad to see Drake Younger on the list. Even though I HATE IWA-MS (for the obvious reasons) I can't deny the fact that they help launch many careers.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on September 30, 2008 at 10:08 PM
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