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Cook's Corner 10.06.08: Wrestling with Stereotypes
Posted by Steve Cook on 10.06.2008



One of my favorite columns on this website is Five-Star Conversation. I may be a bit biased because the writer of the column happens to be a friend of mine and we share similar political viewpoints, but I think most people would agree that Geoff Eubanks is a very talented writer. After finishing the column I went on down to the comment section, and a question from a gentleman named Spaz Monkey (I hope that isn't his real name) made me think.

"Or are you just trying to be the IWC stereotype; unhappy with the product no matter what they do?"

Wrestling fans have long been subjected to ridicule from outsiders that don't watch wrestling and don't understand the appeal of it. That's all right with me…I've grown accustomed to such things. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at various stereotypes affixed to wrestling fans and see if they have any merit. There also seems to be a growing difference inside the wrestling fanbase between the "IWC" and folks who are anti-IWC and pro-whatever a wrestling promotion feeds them, but that might be another topic for another time. Today I wish to look at commonly believed "facts" about wrestling fans.

Stereotype 1: Wrestling fans are unhappy with the product no matter what they do.

Are wrestling fans often unhappy with what they see on wrestling shows? Of course! Even if you throw out the smart mark perspective there are still the marks out there that get pissed when that evil authority figure sticks it to their favorite wrestler. Wrestling isn't always supposed to make you happy. Unless you're a fan of every single wrestler on the show and are happy with their performance whether they win or lose, you're not going to like everything you see.

While writing wrestling columns for this site and the late TWTF.net, I've noticed that the most successful columns are the ones that have the strongest opinions. Usually the strongest opinions happen to be negative in their outlook because of human nature. Think about it…when the McDonald's cashier gives you a quarter pounder when you ordered a big mac, you complain about it, right? If they give you the big mac, you just take your food over to the table and eat it. You don't make a big fuss and graciously thank the cashier as loudly as you would complain about getting the wrong order. Wrestling fans are the same way, as are sports fans, as are American Idol fans.

The old saying is true…everybody's a critic.

Stereotype 2: Wrestling fans are stupid.

This one I don't buy into at all. Sure, there are plenty of wrestling fans that aren't all that intelligent, and many of them have an Internet connection to spread their stupidity across the planet. But there are plenty of college graduates (even some with masters degrees, as the penguin won't stop reminding me) that still watch the pro wrestling even though they know it is pre-determined. I think the fact that the vast majority of wrestling fans know that the sport isn't really a sport is something that non-wrestling fans can't wrap their heads around. Yeah, wrestling's scripted, but so is just about everything else on TV.

Stereotype 3: Wrestling fans are fat and/or unattractive.

Not 100% true. I've seen some attractive women at wrestling shows before…believe it or not, I've even seen a couple at the ROH shows in Dayton. I'm not sure if it's the same two that attend every show, it's tough to tell because months pass between each show. Unfortunately, they seem to be in the minority because the majority of wrestling fans I've seen and met are either overweight or just not very attractive. Most of them have been very nice and are fun to be around, but I'd be lying if I said they were physically attractive. However, it should be noted that I'm from Kentucky…a place isn't exactly overflowing with good looks. Most of the girls I'm attracted to that live in the area were originally born in other states. What can I say…I like them foreigners.

As for the fat thing, most of the wrestling fans I know are either fat or skinny, there's very little in-between. Unfortunately when I go to shows I'm usually stuck around other fat people. That means I have less room to get comfortable. I don't like it.

Stereotype 4: Wrestling fans live in their parents' basement.

Not all of them do. But it should be noted that I'm writing this column in my parents' basement and my best friend that watches wrestling actually does live in his parents' basement and rarely leaves the house. So there are definitely some wrestling fans that live up to the stereotype. I wonder what the percentage would be…maybe I should get Gallup to do a poll.

Stereotype 5: Wrestling fans can't get laid.

I know many exceptions to this rule. Some have more success with it than others, and I'll admit that I don't have a very good track record. I think my own lack of success has very little to do with my wrestling fandom and more to do with my lack of social skills. Wrestling isn't exactly a topic that you want to bring up on a date unless the girl shows up wearing a Jeff Hardy t-shirt, but it's no more embarrassing an interest than, say, fantasy football. Now there's a topic of conversation that guarantees an eye-roll or two.

So what have we learned today? Not all stereotypes are true, but some of them are at least based in reality. Wrestling fans are just like everybody else, except that they like to watch grown men wearing spandex beating the living hell out of each other. That's not such a weird thing, is it? Hopefully the day will come when wrestling fans can be treated just like everybody else and not be judged by what they like to watch on television. After all, it's not like we make fun of people for watching crappy sitcoms or lame dramas. Can't we all just get along?

Random Thoughts

Recently I've been watching a Best of Delirious DVD produced by Smart Mark Video. I have a feeling that the interview would have been a lot more entertaining if I was drunk. As it was, it was notable for him kissing up to all the indy promotions he had appeared in and burying Matt "Evan Bourne" Sydal & Jimmy Jacobs. He also refused to comment on Daizee Haze. I'm assuming the interview was done in character, but with pro wrestlers it's sometimes difficult to tell.

I also recently watched some August 2007 ROH that I picked up in a 10 dollar sale. After watching Death Before Dishonor Night 2, Caged Rage & Manhattan Mayhem 2, these five things I know are true:

-I miss goofy Chris Hero and his cockamamie flipping around. Sure, the Young Knockout Kid's pretty cool and it's much easier to take him seriously, but I miss the Hero that would hit an offensive move and then do a ridiculous celebration like he was the Cincinnati Bengals and actually managed to win a football game. I like my wrestling to contain humor and laughs, and goofy Hero & Sweet & Sour Inc. were always good for that.

-After watching Bryan Danielson vs. Mike Quackenbush, vs. Pac & vs. Morishima, I'm even more convinced that he's the best in the world. You can argue this, but you would be wrong.

-Anything involving Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. the Briscoes reeks of awesomeness.

-People like to hate on Claudio Castagnoli's promos, but I say that he has a pretty good command of English considering that it's his fifth language.

-I like everything about Sara Del Rey except her kicks. I dunno, they look effective and all but they're kinda slow and awkward sometimes.

The Wrestlemania special on My Network was pretty disappointing, and the fact that more people watched a crappy magic show that was on after it makes me question my belief in my fellow Americans.

I couldn't watch more than a minute of the Vice Presidential Debate due to Sarah Palin's voice. I know Manu Bumb agrees with me on this and he can't be the only one…that voice is reason enough to ship her back to Alaska post haste. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

Maybe one of you can help me with this…who is the girl in the new Bud Light commercial? I swear I've seen her somewhere before, but I can't remember where. It's probably something blatantly obvious.

This Just In: Cincinnati Bengals running back Chris Perry just got out of bed and reached for the remote control to his television. He promptly fumbled it.

On Saturday I played golf, did some bowling, shot some darts, played some cornhole and fell asleep before Kimbo Slice got knocked the fuck out. I'm wondering who was the worse for wear after Saturday…Mr. Slice or myself. Unless Kimbo spent the whole day drinking (possible), I think I've got him beat. Then again, who can't beat him? Ha ha ha ha ha! Ho ho ho ho ho. Hee hee hee hee hee.

Well, that's all for now. You may see me again on the website this week, but if you don't I'll be right back here next week. Peace!


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I am a chubby fan who cannot get laid- HOWEVER I own my own house, am pretty smart, and appreciate the product about half the time.
LET'S GET ROWDY!!!


Posted By: FUZEY (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 03:21 PM

 
 
I live in my parent's attic. What does this mean?

Posted By: Simpleton (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:10 PM

 
 
I'm 18, so I'm allowed to live with my parents. It should be noted that I sleep upstairs, however.

Without getting to into it for the sake of avoiding pointless debate, I don't care about not getting laid. There's more to life than girls. Not too much more, but there is.

Since those two don't fairly apply to me, I'll tackle the other three.

1) Yes I'm chubby. Family trait. I'm also in deceptively good shape.

2) I don't complain about wrestling too much. A match has to be in the negative stars before I really care enough to complain, and an angle has to be in bad taste for me to truly hate it. Otherwise I just shake my head and move on. Wrestling isn't important enough to get stressed about, ya know?

3) I'm not Einstein. Intelligence is overrated. I would say that I have an Intelligence Score of 14 and a Wisdom Score of 8. Above average intelligence and below average common sense.

Call it 3.5 out of 5.


Posted By: Aaron Hubbard (Registered)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:30 PM

 
 
You said cornhole. Heh.

Posted By: LatinoMeat (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:31 PM

 
 
You might have forgot one more stereotype and it's that "wrestling fans are homophobes."

Posted By: Sandro (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:45 PM

 
 
it's a "COMMAND CENTER", not my Ma's basement

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered) (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:48 PM

 
 
I think the stereotype of fat and unattractive is more male oriented than female based.

Thanks for not commenting on men looks. Men don't rate one another's look, it is the first MANDAMENT!

If the stereotypes do exists though, so what really. If the elite who have embraced reality TV and endless detective/health related dramas have to spoof on wrestling fans that were far ahead of the reality TV curve, then so be it. We even were ahead of ER and Grey's even - Katie Vick anyone?


Posted By: thegunisgood (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 04:48 PM

 
 
I only know two other wrestling fans in my real life. So here goes...
1. All three of us are pretty easy to please. Booking decisions are frequently questioned but this year we've all been content.
2. Nope. I've got a masters degree and my friends have two masters degrees and a PhD respectively.
3. Hmmm... Of course, I'm clearly as close to physical perfection as it can get, but... We're all relatively fit.
4. Nope. We all have our own places and have pretty good jobs.
5. Yeah... damn.

Joking aside, stereotypes exist for a reason and the majority of the crowd at WWE/TNA/RoH events seem to live up (down?) to several of them.
And those damn neckbeards that irk Byers so much...


Posted By: Luke (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 05:21 PM

 
 
"3) I'm not Einstein. Intelligence is overrated. I would say that I have an Intelligence Score of 14 and a Wisdom Score of 8. Above average intelligence and below average common sense."

Hmm, with a decent dexterity score and a reasonable constitution you could be a wizard! I am assuming that you've rated yourself by AD&D standards - way to go in defeating the stereotype my good man.


Posted By: Alec (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 05:26 PM

 
 
Steve, with the economy the way it is, more people are probably still living at home. I do, but my mom would be out on the street if not for my help. I heard that a third of all people in their twenties still do, so the stigma is starting to wear off. If you are a lefty when it comes to politics, the Highlands is a great place to meet women, so I don't have much trouble there.

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 05:41 PM

 
 
Wrestling fans are dumb... What other type of fan would seriously buy into absolutely racist and trite gimmicks such as MVP and Crime Time and Umaga in this day and age? Maybe some comic book fans, but I doubt it. Pro wrestling is on par with the "Not another Disaster movie..." franchise with regards to intelligence level.

Posted By: I equal ratings (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 06:15 PM

 
 
Getting Laid? I have never even gotten a hug before and I'm 24 years old. My room is in my mom's basement and I'm pretty ugly, but I'm only slightly overweight. Some stereotypes are true.

Posted By: AnonScalia (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 06:33 PM

 
 
Cool article, and somehow I don't fit into any of these.

And as far as this mandament, if you've been to a bar or a club then your definatly gauaging the other guys there to see if you've got a chance or you'll be trying to get the girls super drunk to bring you up a few pegs.

Advice on the social scene, SD when I saw it in the US, was on at 7 til 9 on a FRIDAY(and think all your doing is sitting there so drink something while your at it), after it goes off wash your ass(and yourself wrestling geekness), and get ready to go out. 1030 or 11 with a good buzz is the perfect time to go meet chicks who don't have to know a few hours ago you were watching large sweaty men roll around with each other.


Posted By: kinaj (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 07:41 PM

 
 
You spelled Cryme Tyme wrong smarty pants. And I think Ocho Cinco and TO make MVP look reasonable, but maybe football is fake also.

Posted By: a dumb fan (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 07:56 PM

 
 
I'm a wrestling fan. Wow, it feels good to get that off my chest. The following things are true;

- I don't live in my parents basement. Actually, I have lived away from my parents since I was 15, and would have loved to move into someones basement, but I had to live in a stupid house.

- I am not overweight. I am actually thin and in shape. WiiFit says I have a BMI of 21.3 :)

- I am the only one in my group of friends that actually likes wrestling.

- I can get laid. And have. It was rad.

- I'm not always dissatisfied with the product, though I can be overly critical at times. I do enjoy watching wrestling, though, or I wouldn't do it.

- And I'm not really stupid. I just pretend I am.


Posted By: Guest (Registered) (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 08:42 PM

 
 
Wait where did the last 3 stereotypes com from? That's the same thing for comic book fans and geeks or some thing like that.

Posted By: Dab (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 10:06 PM

 
 
In Texas, everyone's pretty much a wrestling fan so there's really no problem here about what you look like.

I don't like to think myself as attractive, I think I'm slightly above average. But I have gotten laid before.

I'm 165 lbs and play soccer, I'm tall and muscular, so yay for me.


Posted By: Hot Jock! (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 10:51 PM

 
 
1) I like wrestling, even the wrestlers i don't like or storylines I hate, or pushes I see as undeserved at the end of the day I don't care, I'm a fan.
2)I scored a 1370 on my SATs but was in the bottom 10% GPA for my graduating class of over 900--- maybe I don't apply myself ...
3)I've had plenty of good-looking girlfriends who became fans of wrestling (because thet found a few of them to be hot &/or because they thought they craziness they were watching was real) so if they were fans after our time together, who knows but I bet they can hold their own in a wrestling related conversation now.
4)I left home at 18 and my parents couldn't thank me enough
5)I have no problem getting laid unless you call 1 night w a hooters gal, an 8-ball and a life-time of embaressment a "problem getting laid" plus a few nights of right amount of strippers but 5 too many shots of Jager, yeah... But for the dozens...... AND DOZENS!!! of women I might have dissapointed, there's more that I have not, or at least myself been let down BUT in each & every case, the green light was on & I was being flagged in---
right now I'm finishing this up & then hitting the pool with my sugar-momma, at her sweet sweet pad here--- my wrestling buddies live a similar life only without the whores & drugs... at least not anymore, so I like to think we break the mold.
but we do call & talk wrestling almost every day & we don't get sick of it but I'm sure our wonderful, beautiful women would but there's a time for everything (8ball & Hooter girl are great times seperately)
very cool colum, I've been talking about the stereo-types to my buddies (but not in front of my sugar momma)


Posted By: theHomewrecker! (Guest)  on October 06, 2008 at 11:26 PM

 
 
Glad someone got the reference. Now, get your Silver Sword +6 and lets go kill some lycanthropes!

Posted By: Aaron Hubbard (Registered)  on October 07, 2008 at 02:19 AM

 
 
Getting Laid? I have never even gotten a hug before and I'm 24 years old. My room is in my mom's basement and I'm pretty ugly, but I'm only slightly overweight. Some stereotypes are true.

Posted By: AnonScalia (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 06:33 PM

Who gives a fuck? look on the bright side, i bet your wrestling collection/knowledge is off the charts


Posted By: 420nz (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 02:56 AM

 
 
Im a wrestling fan and the opposite of all those stereotypes. i always took away with me a comment once made where they said 'wrestling's something where you either get it, or you don't get it'. I think this is true, and also that wrestling fans are more creative and are dreamers compared to non wrestling fans who can't creatively get their mind around the fact that even though we know it's a work we can still enjoy it. In that sense, maybe it means we're more intelligent because we are able to use both sides of our brain

Posted By: TOMMY (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 05:16 AM

 
 
to be fair ive got a fair few mates who are wrestling fans and none of us really fit any of the stereotypes that youve set out.

im from aus so we dont really have basements but most of my mates still live at home but thats cus we are studynig at uni. secondly we are all above average intelligence as our uni scores can show. my mate best mate is a boxer so hes in fairly good shape and im at the gym about 5 days a week so i cant really be called overweight and i dont really hate anythnig much that happens in the wrestling world i just talk to my mates alot about what could be done better.
and to talk about the getting laid thing
my mate has probably been laid by more women then most people have ever met and i tend to do pretty well myself as well.
so to be honest at least in austrlia the steroetypes of wrestling fans are nufounded.
thank you and good night


Posted By: The Great One The Lock (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 09:36 AM

 
 
Well... I have to admit sometimes when I'm in a company of people who talk about books or art, I don't say a word about being a wrestling fan. Only if I get close to some of these people and we get to know each other better I share this as part of my interests.

But, I don't think I'm part of the stereotype.
I'm fairly intelligent. I know 4 languages(Bulgarian, Rissian, English, and Japanese), and my IQ score with the official test is 139.
I'm 23, aside from a small beer gut, my figure is good. I've been in better shape than this, but I'm definitely better that about 50-60% of the people around me. 186 cm and 85 kilos is the perfect norm.
I've got a good job, pay my own bills, live in my own very nice place.
I could do better with girls, but getting laid every once in a while(like, once in 2 months for a one night stand) is definitely better than never.

Last but not least, I read this website when I'm @ work with nothing to do. Half the time I'm browsing stuff, and I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
From these comments I guess stereotype/non-stereotype people are 50/50 here.


Posted By: guest (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 09:47 AM

 
 
I know the Homewrecker, and he speaks the truth.

1. Although I feel that it could be better at times, I enjoy the wrestling product.
2. I have a masters of education and have been teaching for 8 years.
3. I am in good shape.
4. I own my house.
5. I had no problems getting laid when I was single.


Posted By: Angry Bear (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 12:24 PM

 
 
Dear Steve Cook,

I am truly offended about your thoughts about wrestling fans as caricatures and stereotypes as penned in your column.

Sincerely,

LPGA fans


Posted By: SmokeyDNuggs (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 01:20 PM

 
 
you guys are pathetic!

Posted By: mr. HALLIDAY (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 04:06 PM

 
 
Never had any problems getting laid either.

Homewrecker I need to roll with you and Angry Bear LOL!

My girlfriend is very attractive and she enjoys watching wrestling. I don't think that it's a big deal if someone enjoys wrestling. To the critics I say is it any different than watching "reality shows" or cartoons? They're all fiction, so the haters need to give it a rest!


Posted By: Orlando (Guest)  on October 07, 2008 at 07:10 PM

 
 
Based on the Homewrecker's comments, mabybe we should add "limp dick" to the stereotypes?

Posted By: The Heartbreak Troll (Guest)  on October 08, 2008 at 07:13 AM

 
 
1. 'the product' i would assume would be the product of the WWE and to a lesser extent TNA. i think frustration with the product is more of a disconnect between workrate and who actually gets pushed. most of my non-smark friends LOVE the HHH, as he 'always wins' and 'looks ripped', but CM punk on the other hand 'looks small' and 'wimpy' and generally not worth watching despite the fact that Punk has an observer 5* award to his name.
short answer is that the product caters to the largest audience, who evidently are shallow and superficial.
many liked the product during the smackdown six, so it's possible for the product to be liked by the IWC.
2. i have a bachelor of arts in political science, so i would assume i am 'learned'
3. i'm neither fat nor skinny.. more like just lacking in muscle tone.
4. i still live with my parents because the rent and food is free, and i'm still in university.
5. i don't think it has anything to do with being a wrestling fan, it's probably correlated to having poor social skills as being a wrestling fan doesn't add anything to the conversation.
PS: guys that like lame dramas and crap sitcoms get laid. bastards.


Posted By: Anthler (Guest)  on October 08, 2008 at 06:50 PM

 
 
Based on the Homewrecker's comments, mabybe we should add "limp dick" to the stereotypes?
Posted By: The Heartbreak Troll

Not Cool, man! --- see what happens when you open up?


Posted By: theHomewrecker! (Guest)  on October 08, 2008 at 11:14 PM

 
 
I actually met my Wife and mother of my child at ROH dayton.... She was actually hot back then... me not so much... And we have been together since Final Showdown, and together almost everyday since...

Posted By: DeadPoetic (Guest)  on October 12, 2008 at 11:24 AM

 


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