Tim's Take 10.14.08: Here We Go Again
Posted by Tim Livingston on 10.14.2008
TNA continues to baffle one and all with their shoddy decision making skills. It's as if we've seen this all before. Oh wait. We have.
Unfortunately for the people watching Sunday night's Bound for Glory pay-per-view looking for TNA to go in some type of new direction, they were instead treated to a retread of what makes TNA look like a minor league institution in the first place. Nevermind the fact that a good portion of their wrestlers have previous been prominent performers in the "competition", or the fact that they can't do a straight up one-on-one match without somebody running in to ruin it.
TNA has become the company that is based on specialty. They made the permanent switch to the six-sided ring, possibly on some whim from someone in AAA who told Jeff Jarrett it would help define them as different from the competition. They can't have less than three people involved in a match, it seems, as even in the one-on-one match, they believe a third party needs to be involved to spice things up, I'm sure.
Bound for Glory is supposed to be TNA's WrestleMania: The biggest pay-per-view on the company's calendar. It's supposed to blow off feuds that had been brewing for months and it's supposed to bring an end to the proceedings with a definitive ending that sets the company off in a new direction that leads to success.
Instead, TNA has reverted to the mean. Again.
For the third straight year, at their biggest pay-per-view of the year, no less, Sting has won the TNA World Heavyweight Championship, and it has involved outside interference with one of Sting's trusted bats AND Kevin Nash every time, with this time being Nash hitting Samoa Joe with the bat to job out the one guy outside of AJ Styles who had been built from within the company as a true top-flight singles competitor.
What's happened the last two times Sting won the title? Well, for starters, his reign ended in controversial fashion both times. His wins have been used as buyrate boosters, but in the long-term (hell, even the short-term for that matter) it has never mattered, as the October title win always put TNA a tough spot. Sting has only signed one-year contracts with the company, meaning that even though he wins the belt in October, who's to say he'll be willing to be there in two more months to really make his reign mean something?
Last night's pay-per-view was full of the usual TNA insanity, both intentional and unintentional. They had two huge specialty matches with tons of crazy spots, but instead of them actually being something special, both matches were used as a way to get tons of talent on the show without having any of them stand out. The spots might have induced some "oohs" and "aahs," but in the end, people aren't going to be interested in something that doesn't get treated like a big deal. If you want to see a flaming table used in its zenith, I invite you to watch the Edge/Mick Foley Falls Count Anywhere match from WrestleMania 22. At least that one leads to the deciding pinfall in the match.
They continue to reference things in WWE-speak, and use insider terms and pander to the internet fan so that the rubes out there can say, "Oh! Brother Ray called Mick Foley, 'Cactus!' They used to be in ECW and WWE together! Only his close friends backstage call him that, I bet! I wonder if his Cactus Jack persona will be coming back!?!" Even Ring of Honor went away from that, and they are truly considered a minor league institution.
Oh, but that's not enough for the three-headed monster of creativity that TNA currently employs in Jeff Jarrett, Dutch Mantell and Vince Russo. They feel that they need to dumb down their fans by believing things might be different when Jarrett returns to the ring. Instead, it's the usual TNA insanity. Interference, a guitar shot, another Jeff Jarrett victory.
I'll say this. The company has built itself on the reputation that it is truly Total Nonstop Action. That also means, from what I've seen, that the company is built on the notion that the good old fashioned one-on-one contest, you know, the contests that built the entire professional wrestling business as we see it today, aren't good enough. There needs to be a special enforcer. Or a cage. Or a ladder. Or a table. Or thumbtacks. There's three-way matches, there's 6-person intergender tag matches, there's a free-for-all in a goofy looking cage, there's a four-way tag match where anything goes.
Hell, TYPING that made me feel like it was overkill. Even if they did have a one-on-one match, to end the show, their biggest show of the year for them, mind you, they couldn't have a clean finish!
TNA has just never decided to truly go in a different direction. Actually, let me rephrase that. They HAVE gone in a different direction, but it has not been the direction that company should go in to not only turn a profit, but to become successful.
Ring of Honor was smart enough, FROM THE BEGINNING, mind you, to show off a specific product, work within their confines to make that product worthwhile and because of that, become successful. Are they big time? Not exactly, but they don't want to be, either. They have their niche, they turn a profit and they have a good legion of fans who back it. They know their limitations.
TNA has passed itself off as big-time, but it has become a caricature of pro wrestling. They have no real limitations. They have two hours of TV a week. They have monthly pay-per-views. Yet they constantly pass up the opportunity to pass itself off as an alternative. They have no homemade stars (and I mean true stars to build the company around) because they don't want to show too much faith in them, fearing that they could fold at any time.
You know, like the way Samoa Joe folded as Ring of Honor World Champion for almost two full years and put the company on the map when he took the championship and defended it all over the world (a point that was made upon his debut, no less!). Or how AJ Styles was such a huge talent in NWA Wildside that it led to him getting a cup of coffee in WCW, and Jeff Jarrett liked him so much he made the X-Division around Styles for the better part of a year and a half.
And how about that X-Division, eh? No limits? How about no clear direction, either? A division that was the best thing to come along since the dawning of the WCW Cruiserweight division has become an afterthought, when it was that division that brought people in to watch TNA in the first place. Now it's being treated like a heavyweight division, where the gimmicks are weighing down the work. I'm not saying gimmicks are bad, but when you're pushing "No limits" as your motto for something, you're severly limiting that when the gimmicks weigh down the excitement.
TNA doesn't realize that the idea with guys like Angle, Jarrett, Sting and Booker T, it's their duty to put over the young talent and make sure that they are put in a position to succeed. Unfortunately, the only guy who seemingly gets that is Angle, whose comments a couple weeks back speaks volumes of just how badly TNA is behind the curve on putting a good product.
I'm one of the guys on this website who has criticized Angle the most, but at least he understands how to build a product. Specialty matches for blowoffs are supposed to be used sporadically for added effect, not to be watered down on a weekly and/or monthly basis to the point where it all blends in. I hope that he's able to get into the heads of the creative team and really let them know what goes on. Speaking of things to tell creative, they need to tell the commentators to turn it down a tad. You can get excited every once in a while, but I think the high fives and such might be overdoing it a bit. I'm sad to say I didn't get to see the Mike Tenay serious face. Oh, well.
While I've basically run a laundry list on TNA for all their shortcomings, one thing is still certain: they have the talent to be a good company.
Congrats on saying absolutely nothing new and hating something just because it doesnt fit your idea of what its supposed to be.
Posted By: No way (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Dutch Mantell is a booker? He of Desperadoes fame? That tells me all that I need to know about TNA.
Posted By: Iron Knee (Registered) on October 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Bound for Glory achieved at least one thing in reading this column. It re-lit a fire under the Timster that might not be quenched.
A few weeks ago with Paul E talked in "The Sun" about the WWE, I wondered his feelings on TNA. They have really lifted a lot of his stuff and use it more like it was in ECW to book. Goofy matches, extra people in the ring just because, multiple refs, gimmicks galore. Paul E constantly looked for that one thing that would allow ECW to cross from minor leagues to the major.
The "it" moment never happened though.
Doesn't mean they didn't have great matches and it doesn't mean they didn't have talent. They just lacked that "it" that got a promotion from point C to point B on the wrestling foodchain.
The question really is, does TNA have "it"?
I'll answer that with this fact. Awesome Kong was in Decatur IL on Thursday night at a sports bar doing a meet and greet.
No, TNA doesn't have "it" yet.
They are still second rate, even though they are playing arenas outside of Universal. They are like watching the AWA in its dying years, especially Midnight Rockers, as they continue to attempt to develop people who I know would be manhandled by real competition and recycle former A to B list legends to work 1/3 speed in the smallest looking ring in the planet.
An example would be that very main event match you are so fired up about. The match in which Sting and Samoa Joe took turns no-selling just to eventually see Joe sell one of the lamest "pokes" with any weapon in wrestling history. Nash might as well used Cornette's shoe to do that job or a dreaded mist technique to get the job done.
I was very disappointed in the conclusion of this part of the story.
Face it though, Sting isn't a very good main event PPV player. He really wasn't after his first Clash of the Champions match with Flair and that was oversold because no one expected Sting to do as well as he did in the ring.
Joe = Taz in the ugly duckling wrestling fit. He works best when crazed. He wasn't crazed and I never once believed he beat the respect into Sting.
More comments regarding BOG. The undercard wasn't very good. Angle needs a belt to chase to be revelant. The 3-way was over nothing but Christian's choice which in TNA booking means nothing after 3 weeks. Tag team match was slow and the little children opening the show was the same tired spotfests I used to see in WCW and ECW.
It is tired, very tired.
As someone who has witness so many feds, both mainstream and indy, if TNA had a total shuffle and shift of philosophy it might get more of my interest again. Otherwise, the product is disjointed at best and pure chaos in regards to motivated workers and writers at worst.
Good column Tim
Posted By: thegunisgood (Registered) on October 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM
To me, the ppv wasn't bad and there was nothing that truly upset me. Of course you have your wrestling purists out there who feel that every match needs to be strait up and no gimmicks. I'm sorry, but if you can't find enjoyment out of both, then you haven't evolved as a wrestling fan. And I understand that TNA has done some ridiculous shit in the past, but the action at BFG delivered on a level that a lot of people (myself included) weren't expecting. Were they all 5 star classics, hell no. But to come on here and gripe about gimmick matches that delivered to me is being shortsighted and petty.
I was on a great forum the other day (americanonslaught.freeforums.org) and they had an article about the X-Division and someone made a great point that the majority of us tend to overlook. Everyone says how the X-Division used to be. How the X-Division used to be great. Has anyone stopped to think that the reason why the X-Division isn't as great as it was in the past is because a lot of the talent has left/moved on to the other divisions. AJ and Joe moved on to the main event. LowKi went to Japan. Daniels I heard is using the less strenuous Curry Man gimmick to focus on being an agent (remember he's kinda old). The MCMG became a tag team, and if TNA would get over them not blading, could be utilized more prominently in the tag division. Elix Skipper is off the gas and unimpressive. Amazing Red has been injured for forever. You can say that they should use some of the guys from the X-Cup but I'm pretty sure that's not as easy as it sounds. CMLL is very particular when it comes to lending out talent. Their negotiations with TNA is part of what held up the X-Cup for so long initially. Then TNA screwed up some Visas. Speed Muscle is all booked up for Dragon Gate and would only be available for a spot date in the forseeable future. Right now I feel that they're doing good working with what they have. I feel that this crop of talent in the X-Division is starting to find its stride. The gimmicks have gotten over with the fans and its to the point where none of the gimmicks hinder the action anymore.
As for Sting winning the title. I'm upset as a mark that he won. But as someone who can sit back and analyze it, it doesn't quite bother me. This young vs old storyline is what they've decided to go with. I don't agree with all the aspects of it. But it has the potential to solidify young careers. I think TNA realizes what they have in Joe and they're not going to give up on him. But they've been teasing Joe vs Nash all year. At the same time, you have AJ Styles who has been on the upside since his feud with Angle. My gut tells me that AJ will dethrone Sting. Joe will finalize the feud with Nash and we can have a proper build to AJ vs Joe
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Spot on commentary. I was watching TNA back in the days of the weekly PPV, and that show was so different from what it is now. The young stars were pretty much allowed to shine, except for Jarrett and his insatiable demand to hold the heavyweight belt. I remember when Samoa Joe debuted with the company. Oh, the hype he had. They played up his ROH history. They played up what a badass he was. They built him as that badass for several months, as he tore through anyone and anything in his path. Then Vince Russo came aboard and Joe suddenly became a whining bitch. WHY? Christ, they took AJ Styles, a man that had busted his ass for the company, and basically threw him under the bus so they could put Joe in his place. Then they destroyed Joe in the same way Vince McMahon destroyed so many good "big man" wrestlers. Anyone else remember the total pussification of Big Van Vader? I certainly do.
It's sad that Angle is the one speaking out about the wrong direction the company is headed in, because we've already seen that Angle is 100% batshit crazy, so not many people are going to pay attention to what he's saying.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM
One other thing - Sting. He apparently forgot how a legend made him. What has Sting done to elevate anyone in the company? Let's see:
Final Resolution
06: Sting pins Jarrett in a tag match.
07: Christian Cage pins Sting in a 3-way match.
Against All Odds
07: Sting pinned Abyss
Destination X
07: Sting pinned Abyss
Lockdown
06: Sting makes Chris Harris submit to win the Lockdown match
07: Sting pins Abyss to win the Lockdown match
08: Sting's team wins the Lockdown match
Sacrifice
06: Sting & Joe beat Jarrett & Steiner
07: Clusterfunk - Sting and Angle both defeat Christian at the same time for the NWA championship
08: Team 3D defeats Sting & James Storm, but Storm takes the pinfall
Slammiversary
06: Loses (but is not pinned in) a King of the Mountain match win by Jarrett
07: pinned Christopher Daniels
Victory Road
06: pins Steiner in a 4-way match
07: Sting & Abyss over Styles & Tomko
Hard Justice
06: Pinfall loss to Jeff Jarrett
07: Abyss, Test & Sting over Christian, AJ & Tomko
No Surrender
07: Sting & Angle lose to Ron Killings and Adam "Pacman" Jones when Jones, who was not allowed to have any physical interraction, pinned Sting following an Angle turn. This is what they used a Sting loss for, a thug celebrity.
Bound For Glory
06: Sting pinned Jeff Jarrett
07: Sting pinned Kurt Angle
08: Sting pinned Samoa Joe
Genesis
06: Sting loses the world title to Abyss, but by DQ. Sting is DQ'd for constantly beating Abyss down and not letting up. Thus Sting comes out strong in his loss and makes the new champ look like a complete piece of crap.
07: Angle & Nash defeated Sting & Booker T when Angle pinned Sting
Turning Point:
06: Abyss defeats Sting by pinfall
That's Sting's win/loss history with TNA. How many stars has he made? Abyss did not get any bigger because of that match, he's still viewed as a mid-carder. Stings other losses were to established stars and a football thug that had no business in the ring.
So tell me... he's brought in no weekly ratings bumps, he doesn't work house shows, and he hasn't elevated a single young talent in the company. Just what has Sting done other than participate in matches filmed in an arena that you get in to for FREE ANYWAY?
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Yeah he didn't say anything new. But they arn't doing anything new. That's the point. We can all bitch about how bad it's booked but as long as we keep watching it won't change. I hate to do that because I like a lot of the talent but TNA has given me no choice.
Posted By: Bk (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 11:29 AM
TNA is pathetically bad.... yet I see all the true talent being wasted in silly gimmicks or midcard... while STING and KEVIN NASH are dominating the mainevent of the biggest PPV of the year.
Geez if TNA were clever they would of got Daniels out of the curryman gimmick, built AJ to be a true main event level player and had Joe beating the crap out of everyone leading to a classic rematch that hasnt been done for a few years yet people still talk about it today.
I watched TNA for a short period because of the X-divison, if ya not going to do the X-division properly at least take the guys who made it fantastic and let them feud over the world title.
If I were Joe or AJ i'd seriously consider goin to the E because TNA are truely wasting them, ok the wwe may not treat them so well but its a risk I would take in the current climate.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 12:10 PM
BFG = Bound For Gimmicks.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Didn't you say this last week? And the week before? And the week before that? And the week before before that?
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 12:22 PM
BFG - Bound for gayness
Posted By: Rico (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Didn't you say this last week? And the week before? And the week before that? And the week before before that?
THAT'S THE F'N POINT!!! The fact that people continue to say that same things mean that TNA continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
Posted By: soulpower (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 03:50 PM
common sense would be for me to think that you would come back and make one of these columns pointing out the bad things about wwe but I know that won't happen. U may bring up the bad things about tna and i'm not disputing that there are bad things but if I want consistent good wrestling, I watch tna.
Posted By: cj (Guest) on October 14, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Well spoken Tim. BFG putting over Sting as champ +again+ sapped all will I have to even watch this company any more. Even Jeff Jarrett would have been better.
Posted By: Stevie J (Guest) on October 15, 2008 at 02:59 AM
Do you remember when AJ and Angle had a ladder match on Impact - no buildup, and it was announced just then. At least WWE generally announce big gimmick matches before the TV show or PPV.
Posted By: AH (Guest) on October 15, 2008 at 04:39 AM
The problem with TNA is that the writers are so shitty that they don't make you care about any of their wrestlers. They try to make you care by having Cornette yell, or name drop them as an ex-WWE'r, or say something "smarkish." It's just so lame and tired. And I don't care what anyone says about Mantell and Jarett being the problem, Russo plays a HUGE part of the problem because we saw the same shit in WCW and he's the common (booking) factor. I was high on TNA (about the same time AMW-Styles/Daniels was in high gear) and it the product has slowly deteriorated from there. And that's a damn shame.
Posted By: Angry Bear (Guest) on October 15, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Scott B-
Great post. I never looked at Stings won/lose record like that before. He really hasn't done anything to put anyone over and the booking has put him in situations in order to PUT anyone over. Does anyone find it funny that Booker T was in the Nu Blood in WCW but now he is in the millionaires club in TNA lol.... Oh yeah...did Sting ever put over Vampiro in WCW? lol
Posted By: Industry (Registered) on October 15, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Well, their name is Total Nonstop Action.
Nonstop action = constant headaches..
Posted By: Ant-LOX (Guest) on October 15, 2008 at 08:36 PM
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