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411's Instant PPV Analysis 11.09.08: TNA Turning Point
Posted by Chris Lansdell on 11.09.2008



Greetings, humanity! Welcome to 411's Instant Analysis for TNA Turning Point. I am your ever-present host Chris Lansdell, and we've got a running theme of veterans vs young guys to look forward to tonight. Without further ado, let's rock.

X-Division Ranking Cluster

As good as this was, I do have to wonder why you would have Volador (at 9) and Tanahashi (at 4? 5?) go out after Sonjay Dutt, who is a regular on your card. However, I got to see the Chaos Theory (it's unique, dammit) which makes up for a lot. If they're going to start using Doug Williams, this match was a great way to start with that. Eric Young getting the win was the right decision, as we've done Lethal and Creed and Petey against Bashir, and Eric needed to be put back into the limelight. Even Dutt and Volador, who got eliminated early, managed to look good here. Does Creed remind anyone else of RVD at all, with the flipping and the splits and the Flayyyyven gloyven...sorry. Eric's speech after that match was actually surprisingly good, with the shot at WWE and setting the tone for the evening of Young Lions vs MEM. Not to mention we went over 15 minutes at high speed. The lack of huge crazy spots (except Homicide being insane) while maintaining a high enjoyment level was important in my mind, as it showed that these guys can actually WRESTLE and not just hit spots.

Winner: Eric Young via pinfall (on Lethal, Northern Lights with bridge)
Rating: ***3/4 It's hard to do anything like psychology when you have so many people to work with. They even managed to work in some tension. There was just a certain something missing for me. That, and the strange order of elimination, cost the match. Still very good.

Awesome KONG~! and Raisha Saeed (w/ Rhaka Khan) vs Taylor Wilde and Roxxi

Kong kills bitches dead. Thought I'd through that in there. Anyway, the match told a story and was enjoyable. All 4 worked very hard and they are all capable of doing so. Lucha Taylor is developing that aspect of her in-ring skills and if she can add more than the arm drags it coud work. I just don't understand why Taylor got the pin. Wilde-Kong has been done to death and Roxxi getting the pin to set up the Kong match would have worked better for me. Still, it was better than most of the Knockouts matches we've had recently.

Winners: Roxxi and Taylor Wilde by pinfall (Wilde on Saeed, bridging German)
Rating: **3/4 I know Wilde is the anointed Next Face of the Knockouts, but that doesn't mean she's the only one who can get pinfalls. The match itself was good but not great.

Sheik Abdul Bashir vs Rhino

I am NOT a Rhino fan. As such this match would have had to do something special to get me into it, and it didn't. Frankly I spent far too much time wondering if Hall and the ICP were there because they bought tickets or if it was worked. The match was nothing more than a blowoff to get Rhyno on a PPV and to give Bashir something to do, and it felt like it. It also teased more tension between Shane Sewell and Bashir, which needs to blow up soon. Distinctly forgettable otherwise.

Winner: Rhino via pinfall (Gore)
Rating: ** It was just there.

Beer~! MONEY~! (C) vs Motor City Machine Guns

Wow. I said in the Round Table that these two teams had great chemistry and that this could be match of the night. MCMG showed all their great teamwork and all their speed, while Beer Money showed they could keep up and still win. I didn't mind the beer spitting as it fits with the team and it wasn't what beat the Guns. I hope we get to see these two teams again, because that was the best tag match I've seen outside of RoH in a very long time. By the way, the DWI is an awesome finisher. What is with these matches getting so much time tonight? I'm not complaining, but I do wonder if Cage/Booker might be a fingerpoke-style affair. Regardless, THESE TWO MUST FIGHT AGAIN. Fuck Team 3D.

Winners: Beer Money by pinfall (on Sabin, DWI)
Rating: **** Just great tag team wrestling. A cleaner finish and we would have been looking at an even better score. Beer Money showed tonight that they are better than anyone thought.

Booker T vs Christian Cage

Booker looked like James Earl Jones in Coming to America. The royal penis is clean your highness. Oh, and the Juggler-Os or whatever the fuck they're called have lefty ringside, how or when I don't know. Hall is gone too. The match worked pretty well, Booker rolled back the clock and was able to hang with Cage, who as usual was excellent. The thing that hurt this match was the complete and utter inevitability of the outcome. Booker was not losing the title he introduced 2 weeks ago. Now we have Cage in the MEM against his will, to serve what purpose? Is anyone going to be shocked when he "swerves" and says he was with them all along?

Winner: Booker T via pinfall (rollup reversal with a handful of tights)
Rating: *** Booker's work helped Christian a lot in this match, but it was still nothing special.

Abyss vs Kurt Angle

I was set to hate this match, especially when they went for a 5-minute walk through the crowd and did nothing throughout. Sure it told a story of Angle being scared, but he has spent the last few weeks telling us how he was going to kick Abyss' ass on the way to Jarrett. My outlook on the match changed as soon as Kurt (the fucking idiot) hit that perfect somersault plancha off the stage. It was huge, it was graceful and Abyss was in the perfect spot. Angle's still fucking crazy for trying it, but it was amazing. The match stayed on a high after that, with near falls, nice spots and nothing ridiculously dangerous. Hell, Kurt even hit a moonsault! He hits that less than Flair hits anything off the top. Even the end spot was not as high up as it looked. Jarrett may well try and throw Morgan in front of Kurt before fighting him again. With these two guys fighting in that sort of environment, it was always likely to be pulse-pounding, and it did not disappoint.

Winner: Kurt Angle via pinfall (European uppercut putting Abyss through a table from on high)
Rating: ***3/4 Just short of 4 because of the walking through the crowd and because Kurt seems to be trying to kill himself. Hey, maybe he's Suicide!

Samoa Joe vs Kevin Nash

Considering what they had to work with, they did well with this match. I wasn't expecting much out of this, but they told a good story for the time they had and I didn't hate it. Nash winning is not what I expected but it works in the context of the MEM dominating the night's proceedings. Presumably this means we'll see these two fight again, which normally I would dread but if they can go like this again it won't be so bad. Nash beating on Joe in so many ways to get the win, and Joe kicking out of 2 Jackknife powerbombs was the story, and it all worked out well.

Winner: Kevin Nash via pinfall (low blow and rope-assisted pin)
Rating: ***¼ Better than I expected, but still not great. With Nash's limitations is was as good as could be expected.

Sting (C) vs AJ Styles

In what seems to be the theme of the night, this match delivered more than expected. Good back-and-forth action combined with a MEM win despite a strong effort from the young guy. Sting was never likely to lose the title on the first defence, and the way he won sets up the possibility of a rematch without making AJ look weak. It was good to see the Spiral Tap again too.

Winner: Sting via pinfall (rollup folowing missed Pele)
Rating: ***½ Surprisingly high-paced and good fun

Match of the Night: Motor City Machine Guns-Beer Money
Everything I was expecting from it and more. Two of the best teams on TV today and well worth seeing again.
Trash of the Night: Rhino-Sheik Abdul Bashir
Could have been on Impact. Meant nothing and they both seemed to know it.
Final Rating: ***½
Another strong PPV outing for TNA. They are running hard with the MEM storyline and so far it is working well. Sure there are a few wrinkles to iron out but for the most part this is a good direction.


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Turning Point was FANTASTIC!

Posted By: Guest#2131 (Guest)  on November 09, 2008 at 11:43 PM

 
 
Wow, every heel wins via low blow o roll up or roll up tights grab. Great Job TNA.

Posted By: iomis (Guest)  on November 09, 2008 at 11:47 PM

 
 
Great storytelling tonight.

And MEM Sweeping was absolutely the correct move so they can establish dominance, and it mean more when the babyfaces triumph.

And none of the TNA Originals looked bad at all. Personally, I think Joe looked like a monster kicking out of 2 Jackknifes, being busted open by like 6 exposed Turnbuckle shots, and finally being pinned only after a low blow and rope leverage. Good stuff there.


Posted By: El nahamocola (Guest)  on November 09, 2008 at 11:51 PM

 
 
Christian could very well, if his contract is indeed expiring and hes leaving, do the whole "id rather quit than join you" thing.

Posted By: Tal Moc (Guest)  on November 09, 2008 at 11:53 PM

 
 
I felt bad for Rhino and he looked pissed after the match.

I coulda sworn they were chanting RVD's name.

I dont know why they just didnt eject Hall immediatley???

Dixie Carter was on PPV too.Angle went balls out that whole Taz and Roadrunner bit where you couldnt see where they were fighting came of so fucking corny,if it was on the road they place woulda went nuts for that.

Some things come off as cheap in the iMPACT Zone!,others things might go over more than they would on the road as well.

Godamn that place was silent until the MEM matches and they just went crazy(there was some piped in but they were superhot regardless).

Just goes to show you,people only care about starpower..the rest is bullshit.


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on November 09, 2008 at 11:59 PM

 
 
"Booker's work helped Christian a lot in this match, but it was still nothing special."

It's Booker that stopped the match being great, when was the last time Booker T had a great match? Christian's matches are almost always great.


Posted By: Guest#7611 (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 12:01 AM

 
 
Outside of the X-division and the Beer Money/MCMG matches, I was pretty disappointed overall. The PPV was great on paper, but it didn't really deliver for me - the endings were all pretty lame and by the second MEM vs NO match I could tell it was going to be a MEM sweep. The booking needs to improve a lot because, to my mind at least, that's what's holding back the matches and the company as a whole.

Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered)  on November 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM

 
 
One thing they missed - where was Christian at the end to 'celebrate' with the rest of them? They should have had someone forcing him to join them, if they want to play the 'reluctant conscript' role.

Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered)  on November 10, 2008 at 12:17 AM

 
 
Here's my thought on some the Turning Point Undercard:

Doug Williams reminds me of Malenko and Benoit.Minimal personality but has a good look and style,good X-Division/Tag hand.

I hope they start using him and hope they sign Tanahashi to a deal if he leaves New Japan.

Tanahashi has a good look and knows how to perform for americans.Hes not too small either and works the TNA-style.

Give him a manager and arrogant/pretty boy gimmick,he could possibly be a maineventer in TNA.


Volador sucks.He's beneath everyone in the X Division and works the tamest Lucha style ive ever seen.

Homicide really needs to bulk up he made Jimmy Rave look huge by comparison.

Dude is a midget,he needs to get his Petey Williams on.


Creed has superstar written all over him.

I see him becoming a major player in TNA within 2 years.

The Final Four of the X-Div. match will all be superstars one day IMO.

Petey has the least chance because of his height even for the X-Divion he's small.

But the fans love him too much,hes right up there with AJ in TNANESS(lol).I cud see him becoming the King of the X-Div like Daniels was.

Eric Young is solid all around not great but good in all aspects so he deserves to get a uppercard push post- MEM.

Jay Lethal just needs to drop the Macho gimmick,he doesnt need it anymore.

Beer Money is becoming TOO good of a tag team and if they want them to have singles careers they need to be doing more singles matches on iMPACT! regurlary.

Alex Shelly has a lot of charsima I never understood why they never pushed him as singles.

Chris Sabin is great in the ring but has ZERO personality X-Division/Tag for life.

Sonjay Dutt is great as a heel and they need to let him run with the title.

Roxxi is way more over than Taylor(I like her though) but shes doesnt have a long term champ feel to her.I think fans will get real sick of her real soon,even though she deserves a big title win.

Taylor looks and feels like a female champ.

So does Kong and so did Kim,Roxxi im not so sure about or ODB.


Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 12:19 AM

 
 
Amazing PPV. The matches we're good.
But what makes it so great (Seriously, I haven't exactly been watching the greatest PPVs ever. I can't get ROH. Sadly. Anyways) is the storytelling.
Having MEM sweep ala Evolution is a great idea for TNA. Especially to put the younger guys over in the long run.


Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 12:50 AM

 
 
I saw this crap for free at HOOTERS and told the hott chick to bring back my money cause the wings where horrible and so was this PPV. TNA didn't do anything special here like they used too. It was a waste of time. But I did cop a cheap feel of the hott waitress and she liked it...HAHAHAHA!

Posted By: US (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 03:11 AM

 
 
Mac Dollarz...How can you make comments on where a person could make it on the card? You aren't a fucking booker. Stick to playing EWR Revenge and let the grown ups make the real decisions.

How the hell do you know how a female champ "feels"? I'd be surprised if you knew how a female felt at all.And while we're talking about your "feelings" what type of feel is a long term feel sir? Please enlighten me.

You decry Petey for being too short. Then you call Homicide a midget and tell him to get his Petey Williams on? Oxymoron much sir?

However, so that it's not all harsh criticism...despite you trying to be an armchair booker, you seem to be genuinely excited about the product. Keep being a fan sir. Never let anyone steal your joy of this wacky entertainment we call sports, not even my cynical ass.


Posted By: Carnivore (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 03:20 AM

 
 
McDollarz, thank God I wasn't the only one thinking I heard "RVD" chants. I started to look my ass off for him

Posted By: Colin (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 03:34 AM

 
 
FYI: Roxxi is working the house show scene w/Kong! Great PPV especially for MEM! This could be the start of a wonderful friendship!

Posted By: Black Like Me (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 03:48 AM

 
 
they werent chanting RVD they were chanting Razor

Posted By: Chosen One (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 09:27 AM

 
 
"Kurt seems to be trying to kill himself. Hey, maybe he's Suicide!"

Angle is the equivalent of Sakuraba in Pro Wrestling .

Always trying to steal the show on each match and almost ending up dying out by doing so .

Both definitively want to die in the ring .

WAAAAAAAAR SAKUUUUUUU


Posted By: WarSaku (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

 
 
Wow, every heel wins via low blow o roll up or roll up tights grab. Great Job TNA.

Posted By: iomis (Guest) on November 09, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Maybe it's because they're HEELS dumbass! They're supposed to win by cheating.

Anyway, Turning Point was a great PPV, both wrestling and storyline-wise. I do think in the end we will see AJ Styles as World Champ and the return of the Samoa Joe that we all know and enjoy.

I also liked how they're giving the MCMG's more of a heelish attitude, which makes me think that TNA is still going to establish heel/face lines among the TNA originals once the angle is done with the MEM.


Posted By: Orlando (Guest)  on November 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM

 


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