The Wrestling Bard 11.15.08: Going on Safari...
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 11.15.2008
It's "Animal" season, and the Bard is going hunting for Batista.
I do not want to take up too much of your time to talk about Eddie, but I would like to use this forum to voice what Eddie meant to me.
Eddie Guerrero is my favorite wrestler of all time, bar none. He is not the best wrestler of all time. Ric Flair, Lou Thesz, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi and a few others are better in-ring workers that had more of an impact on the business. Eddie might make it into an unbiased top thirty list, but I doubt he would make it into a top twenty. However, I have never cared more about another wrestler than Eddie.
Eddie was a great in-ring performer. He could use a variety of styles, from mat wrestling to puroresu to lucha libre to brawling and even power wrestling if his opponent was small enough. Guerrero also prided himself on his workrate and he was a master of psychology. However, what separates Eddie from other workers like Bret or Chris was that he made me smile. I loved to watch Eddie, I loved seeing the passion he put into his work, I loved to watch him cheat, and I loved to listen to him on the stick. When it came to connecting with me, few have been as successful as Eddie. Off the top of my head, Flair, Bryan Danielson and Kobashi are the only ones that come to mind.
I didn't always cheer Eddie. In my younger days, I booed him because of villainy in WCW. When I played No Mercy, the computer controlled Eddie was the object of my spite. I hated the smirk and I hated his taunts. He was just such an annoying twerp that I wanted to beat him up. And of course, I would get angry and lose my focus, and Eddie would sneak out a victory. Art imitates life, I guess. But I was excited to see him return in 2002, and I followed his career for the next four years as he rose through the Smackdown! ranks, winning the tag titles with Chavo, becoming the WWE's first United States Champion, and eventually, defeating Brock Lesnar for the WWE Title at No Way Out. To this day, that remains my biggest personal mark-out moment. Unlike certain other events from around the same time, that moment will never be tarnished.
The story of Eddie's recovery from drug addiction inspired me. It was that story that helped me choose several life-changing decisions. Eddie passed away on November 13, 2005, a day after I turned sixteen. Because of that, I'll never forget it. Every year as I look forward to my birthday, I look forward to celebrating the life of my favorite wrestler. I miss him dearly, and I truly believe that wrestling hasn't been the same since his passing. But rather than focus on the negative, I choose to be happy that I was touched by a man who, by all accounts, was one of the greatest men, both personally and professionally, to ever lace a pair of boots.
Onto Your Regularly Scheduled Column...
Some of you might have noticed that my column did not appear last week. This was due to technical difficulties that I blame on Sarah Palin's private temper tantrum after Obama won. In all seriousness, my laptop spontaneously stopped working an hour after Obama won, and the connection on my family desktop left a lot to be diserid, so I never got it posted. Anyway, one brief note of interest...
* For those who skipped the Eddie Guerrero session or were not able to decipher the obvious, my birthday was this last Wednesday, and I am now 19!
And the Winner is....
Barack Obama.
Actually, I am of course talking about the votes from you guys on the "Best Monster" column from two weeks ago. Here are the results, out of 28 votes, which do not include MP's, Capt. Smooth's, or the BOMB's, since they decided that Beast Wars, a strangely offensive comment, and ranting about some stupid comment from an anonymous internet troll were more important that having a vote. In all seriouness, Smooth, glad you and I enjoy Beast Wars, great show. MP, if you missed my response, I meant no offense, to you or any of those that contributed to allowing us to vote. You may thank whoever you want without offending me. And BOMB, don't feed the trolls, it's not worth the headache. Oh...anyway...back to the votes.
Actually, I couldn't bother recounting them, because I already did it when I tried to post my column last week, and I'm too lazy to do it again. Yes I'm cheating, but as Eddie would say, at least I'm honest about it!
Umaga was third, Abyss was second, Undertaker took fourth just from write-in votes. Awesome Kong and the Shark also got write-in votes, and thankfully, The Boogeyman and Khali were squashed worse than John McCain in the electoral college. So, with 10 out of the 28 votes, our winner was...
While I wasn't OVERLY surprised, it was a mild shock that somebody who the IWC seems to collectively hate on would win this thing. My personal pick is Umaga, because he still has all the monster traits (scary, doesn't speak English, is a heel) and is a great worker for his size, but I like Kane too. I was one of the few who was really looking forward to Kane vs. Edge at GAB '07, but Edge had to get injured, and we got the World Title Reign of the Great Khali. Now, I like Khali, in small doses. LIke squashing Eugene. In fact, I would probably give a Vince Russo/Great Khali match ***** on entertainment value. But he didn't need to be anywhere near a World Title.
Ask Aaron
Remember, you can ask my opinion on anything in the comments section, so long as we avoid the trifecta of Religion-Politics-Benoit.
A couple of guys took me on my offer. JLAJRC was apparantly in a negative mood with these trio of questions.
Since you need a question, what is the worst match you've ever seen? How about worst wrestler/character? Worst angle/story?
I'll take these questions in reverse order. The worst angle/story I can think of off the top of my head was the Kane/Lita/Snitsky saga. I tend to hate storylines that are controversial just to be controversial (HLA, Katie Vick, Eddie is Dominic's father, Vince McMahon vs. God, etc.), but I will forgive it if the matches are worth it. However, as somebody who has both a sibling and an uncle who died at a very, VERY young age (the sibling was never born), I really couldn't find the entertainment value in this storyline. Add in the atrocious matches (although I did think the chain match at Taboo Tuesday was solid if completely unspectacular) and you have my least favorite angle of all time.
As for worst character, I will ignore most of the indy goofs that have no discernable characther and instead focus on actual "characters". If you watch the Bret Hart DVD, there is a brief section on his feud with "The Stomper", which has to be the dumbest gimmick I've ever heard of. The worst wrestler I've ever seen is easy: Jorge Gonzalez also known as El Gigante and the Giant Gonzales. The guy could barely move, much less wrestle.
Worst match....well, with all of the plethora of terrible matches, some which I find perversely entertaining, it was hard to nail it down. I'm excluding all diva and midgit matches simply because those are entertaining on some level even if the wrestling is lackluster. So here's the most BORING match I've ever seen...
And to make up for that atrocity...
And now, a certain ecwfan wanted to know what I thought about Batista as World Champion. Fortunately, Chris Jericho would make history by winning the World Title back in a Cage Match, so it wasn't something to really complain about, but it makes me wonder WHY he won it in the first place. However, it did make me think about Batista in general, so I wrote the following essay about "The Animal" as a response to him.
Put the Animal Out of Our Misery
David Batista is one of professional wrestling's most recognizable stars of the last five years. "The Animal" has dominated the World Heavyweight title scene since 2005, either as the champion or as the perpetual number one contender. I cannot deny that he is popular with the kids and moves a lot of merchandise. However, as a man who likes to see actual talent, it is beyond me what exactly it is about Batista that makes him so popular. As far as I can see, Batista has nothing to offer as a character, a wrestler, or an employee.
One of the most important parts of a wrestler is that wrestler's "gimmick", or character that he or she portrays. Batista does not seem to have a gimmick aside from generic big man that is either a good guy or bad guy. He is "intense", and he has an adrenaline pumping entrance, but that didn't make Ultimate Warrior or Psycho Sid popular with the "smart" wrestling fans. We saw them as shallow characters with no depth, and Batista falls in that category. This might be forgivable if he was a gifted speaker, but his microphone skills leave a lot to be desired. Aside from the tattoos and his Polynesian ancestry, there is nothing to distinguish him from Sid in the gimmick department.
The similarities between Sid, Warrior and Batista don't just extend to their gimmicks, but also their ring work. John Cena is often greeted with chants of "You can't wrestle", but why isn't Dave taunted with the same chant? Most of his offense if focused on punches, clotheslines, a spear, a spinebuster, and a Batista Bomb. Granted, he has a nice collection of slams that he uses in longer matches, and he occasionally shows that he knows how to work a body part, but these are the exceptions, not the rule. His offense is boring, generic, predictable, and often sloppy.
Recently, the internet has been abuzz with the story that Batista only received another World Title reign, however brief, because he was whining about his "spot" in the company. Let's forget that Batista has been at or near the top of the card since 2005 and the only thing to justify that push is the pop he receives when he enters the arena, or that he had three other World Title reigns and clean victories over Triple H, Eddie Guerrero, Shawn Michaels, and, oh yeah, THE UNDERTAKER to his credit. How is allowing a spoiled brat to get his way by whining good for business? What kind of message does that send to the boys in the back? If most of us complained about our "spot" at our jobs, especially with the lack of effort that Dave has shown over the last year, we would not be getting a promotion.
That lack of effort is my biggest pet peeve. Talent is great, but it has always taken second place to passion, at least in my book. Say what you will about John Cena's technical skills, but you can't deny that he lives the business. Batista seems like he doesn't care most of the time. Unless he is wrestling someone like Shawn or Taker or Cena, he probably won't bother to have the best match that he can. He just goes through the motions, hits his spots, and picks up his paycheck, and it is for that reason, among the other good ones, that I will never be a fan of "The Animal". Batista, please retire and put the rest of us out of our misery.
Since I've been rather negative this week, I'm going to return to my postive self next week with an article that relates my "Art Appreciation" Class to Professional Wrestling. But right now, here's the return of KUDOS!
Kudos of the Last Two Weeks
5. Kudos to Paul London for gaining his wrestling freedom, and hopefully, he will head back to ROH.
4. Kudos to Nigel McGuiness, who has cemented his place as one of the top champions in ROH history. Who will defeat Nigel? If I were to armchair book, it would be Roderick Strong, who would have an Austin Arie's like run before losing to Tyler Black, who will have spent the majority of Strong's reign feuding with Jimmy Jacobs.
3. Kudos to Finlay, who got to have an excellent match with Matt Hardy in front of his European fans. It wasn't as good as Bourne/Chavo, but it was one of the Top 5 Free ECW Matches this year.
2. Kudos to Sting, who made it past a month while still holding the TNA World Title.
1. Kudos to Chris Jericho for winning the World Title and having a great match with Shawn on RAW.
Have a good week, and if you haven't yet, check out ROH Driven. God, or whoever you worship, or myself if you don't worship anyone, bless.
Worst column ever. Just blasting someone for no good reason. Try to be as big and wrestle. Sure his match vs Umaga sucked, but he was told to have that kind of match. He is a good wrestler, not the best, but still puts up nice matches. It's so easy to say he has five moves. You're not really a «smart wrestling fan». A true wrestling fan will see that Batista should be respected, even if he's not Bret Hart, Shawn, Benoit or Flair.
Long live The Animal!
Posted By: JB (Guest) on November 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Suggesting Batista has "nothing to offer" by comparing him to Ultimate Warrior or Sid kinda loses me, say what you will about the Warrior (now that we all have hindsight) Ultimate Warrior was a great character for what he was, memorable fueds w/ Rick Rude, Hogan & I saw him stuff Heenan in a weasel suit in MSG, a different & hyper face that was fresh & cool, that guy was great for a kid growing up during that era, are you 50? that would explain how you were a "smart" wrestling fan then.
Sid had a great look & was amazingly HUGE! that guy wasn't a generic big man, that fucker looked like a huge guy increased by 40%, not the generic lanky man. Sure he sucked in Main Event spots, but in small doses he was great.
Batista & the gay machine-gunner gimmick sucks, sure he looks cool, but he sucks, don't attach other big men to him, big men have their place in wrestling but Batista, unless they turn him heel soon, is a bore & doesn't move as much merchandise as you think if you ask the Hamilton Ave Journal guy! Cool, well thought out article but i disagree with your reasons but agree that Batista blows...
Posted By: theHomewrecker! (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Kung Fu Naki >>>> Batista
Batista= zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted By: Guest#9224 (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 01:10 AM
Not much of an "article", as much as it was a "blurb". Try writing a little more before you call it an article, dude. Most of this piece was youtube links and other stuff.
That said, I don't really mind Batista that much. He hasn't been shoved down our throats even 1/25th as much as HHH has over the past decade.
Posted By: Ill Nino (Registered) on November 15, 2008 at 03:12 AM
you knoe nothing...batista is a good wrestler and he's not full of all this drama...at least when he cums each week he gets cheered to as high as heavens and willl never get boo'd from what pplz hear.....so dn't go write batista of if u dn't knoe crap!
Loving Batista "THE ANIMAL" live on
Posted By: Guest#9133 (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 04:48 AM
“And BOMB, don't feed the trolls, it's not worth the headache.”
You’re right. It was a waste of time & I should have known better. I forgot 2 vote because of my rant but I was going 2 vote for Kane anyway.
Eddie was certainly GREAT. I would say top 30 but that’s just my opinion.
“Jorge Gonzalez also known as El Gigante and the Giant Gonzales. The guy could barely move, much less wrestle.”
I couldn’t agree more. As painful as it was 2 watch I think it was just as painful, if not more, for his joints.(That’s saying something!)
“Batista seems like he doesn't care most of the time. Unless he is wrestling someone like Shawn or Taker or Cena, he probably won't bother to have the best match that he can.”
Cannot argue with this. If I were as lazy as he is at my job I wouldn’t have one. I do think he gets a pass on the “You Can’t Wrestle” chants because he wasn’t champion for 958 years. Being in the title scene for 3-5 years is much different than being champion for 3-5 years for most. I think Cena was just shoved 2 far down people’s throats 2 early. Batista, as much as he is, doesn’t get shoved down the fans throats nearly as much. Plus his character isn’t as annoying as Cena’s is 2 “most people”.
“How is allowing a spoiled brat to get his way by whining good for business?”
Honestly, I think he gets what he wants because of the star power he has. With all of the high profile injuries over the past 2 years the last thing they want is 2 lose another big name when another injury may be lurking around the corner. Not saying I agree. I just think that may be some of what is going through their minds about this.
Anyway, Happy late Birthday! Have a great week & try not 2 work 2 hard!
PEACE!
Posted By: THE BOMB! (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 06:08 AM
Batista had great matches against HHH,JBL (2005)Finlay,Eddie,Taker,HBK,Cena,MVP,Edge and even carried well Khali.
Better do your research next time.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:37 AM
Tribute to Eddie - 483 words. Rant about Batista - 593 words. Not the best article I'm afraid. I can appreciate your enjoyment of workrate, as evidenced by your preferred wrestlers and the youtube links you inserted, but there is a big place for big guys like Batista in wrestling. Yes he only busts out certain moves in longer matches, but it makes sense for a lot of his matches to be short, because he is a big strong guy. So his attitude may not be the best, he's hardly the only person in history we've made that complaint about.
Posted By: andrew (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Pointless...
I don't mind Batista at all. For a big guy, I actually think he's got alot of talent and can WRESTLE!!
BTW, I hate it when people chant «You can't wrestle». You're an idot to encourage this! Really! You should respect the guy's in the ring who risk their lives for us. Even if it's the Great Khali.
Posted By: Nick (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:56 AM
«Tribute to Eddie - 483 words. Rant about Batista - 593 words. Not the best article I'm afraid. I can appreciate your enjoyment of workrate, as evidenced by your preferred wrestlers and the youtube links you inserted, but there is a big place for big guys like Batista in wrestling. Yes he only busts out certain moves in longer matches, but it makes sense for a lot of his matches to be short, because he is a big strong guy. So his attitude may not be the best, he's hardly the only person in history we've made that complaint about.»
Couldn't agree more!!!
Posted By: Yann (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Why're people acting as if Batista is the second coming of Vader? While he may be more accomplished than Sid or Warrior, he's not even as good in the ring as Big Show was in his earlier days. Also, he's even more vanilla than Dykstra or Malenko. No way this guy should be near a title higher than a Television Title.
Posted By: Iron Knee (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Aaron, sorry but I still like Batista. The things you said about Eddie were spot on. The thing that I will most remember about his death was on the Raw tribute show when Cena put an Eddie shirt on the mat and then put his own belt on it. It was a very classy move that even the haters had to respect. Happy birthday! Last but not least, we did it! Obama actually won the election. The nightmare is almost over!
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I might be crazy, but does anyone else kind of miss the old, controversial Hubbard? This column was about as safe as you can get: Eddie good, Batista bad. I think we can all agree on those two. I'm not saying I want to read another "Bret Hart is overrated, he's no John Cena" article, but I don't really have much to say about this one.
So...how about that new Eddie DVD? As Larry David might say, it's prettyyyyyy, prettyyyyy, pret-taaaaaaaay GOOD. And what about last night's Driven, eh? Between it and the UFC fight tonight, this has to be the best weekend since WrestleMania (which included two of the best ROH shows of the year, also in Orlando).
Posted By: The REAL MP (Registered) on November 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I can't believe the amount of commenters who actually like Batista. You're all fucking insane, he's TERRIBLE. He doesn't give a DAMN about the business. He could care less about the fans. He's taken Triple H and Flair's lessons to heart, he's always trying to keep his spot and when he knows he's going to lose a match, he almost never bothers to put ANY sort of effort into it. He's got more talent than a lot of other "Big-man" wrestlers, but he almost never shows it. I'd venture to say that at his very best, he is better than John Cena in the ring, but the fact that he almost never gives enough of a shit to do his best in the ring (unlike Cena who tries his damndest every time he steps through those ropes despite his limitations). I don't know how in god's name any of you can accept the mediocrity and blatant politics Batista brings to the table. Cena never politicked his way up the food chain, he was basically put in that spot purely due to the pop he was getting and his phenomenal workrate. Batista is best buddies with Triple H. You do the math.
He was in every single World Heavyweight Championship match that took place in 2007 except when Edge beat Undertaker for the belt, he went over John Cena clean as a whistle at Summerslam this year, he's always in the title scene, he's almost never beaten clean (whenever he loses it's almost always due to interference or something) and he's a terrible worker. Hubbard is 100% right about Dave "I want my rematch" Batista, he should retire as soon as possible so I don't have to watch him on my television anymore.
Posted By: m8 (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 01:40 PM
I'll admit this, that Batista does a great job of the whole "generic big man" gimmick, there's nothing about him that really represents his nickname. It just all seems forced when he's on the mic. I know that not everyone can be a Jericho on the stick, but he just doesn't seem natural when he's out there.
Let's face it, the only reason he gets a major pop is because of his theme music and entrance. He should take lessons from Orton, who has evolved into a character people can get behind.
Don't believe me Batista fans? Ask yourself this question: who got the louder pops from the crowd during their confrontation last week on Raw?
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 03:14 PM
I'm kind of surprised with the pro-Batista comments here.
Posted By: Dab (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Batista is very entertaining. His match with Cena at SummerSlam was very good. When they inevitably meet up at Wrestlemania this year, the atmosphere will be nuts and they'll put on a great show.
Batista's biggest fault is that he has never been given anything to do away from the title scene so we get burnt out on him. It's a constant complaint from "smart" fans like yourself that whenever a guy finds some success, starts drawing big and selling merch, he suddenly sucks, is boring and should be dropped. Good thing the Internet wasn't around when Flair was winning his 16 World Titles and becoming the greatest wrestler of all time. I'm sure the IWC would have hated him just like they hated Austin when he started to rise, they hated the Rock for being "boring and stale" even though we salivate at the thought of having him back and complain about Cena even though the show hasn't been as good since he was injured. The Internet was made for people to complain and this site gives complainers like Aaron Hubbard a soapbox for all of his complaints.
Posted By: Guest#1970 (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Orlando, much of the love that heels get today as well as much of the hate that faces get today are due to people just trying to be "cool". The "cool" crowd is a little more instant in their like or dislike for certain wrestlers. If Orton and Batista were the same characters but Orton was the face and Batista was the heel, the crowd response would have been totally opposite. I can value Orton as a performer but boo the character, because let's face it, he's character is a douchebag.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 04:22 PM
I like Dave Batista, and I don't think being compared to Ultimate Warrior or Sid is a negative.
Posted By: Chopper (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 05:29 PM
great article on bautista i feel the same way you do....the only reason he is on raw is cause michael cole was moved their and you cant have a bautista match without michael coles orgasmic screams for the animal
Posted By: Guest#9214 (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Batista is mega over and since when do casual fans care or even notice work-rate?
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 06:10 PM
OMG another Indy/Japanese biased column on 411 mania.You guys really need to stick to the major feds/
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 06:14 PM
"WE" saw them as generic characters? aren't you 19?
Ultimate Warrior was GREAT back in the day, & gave life to the WWF when it could have gone stale. Ultimate Warrior, his music, and his energy got everyone PUMPED!!! Smark's who NEVER watched WWF live back then can't.... CAN'T...say Warrior was a generic big man, he was smaller than Hogan if I recall, and he was a great character and remember it's guys like him, NOT benoit, not flair (despite his greatness), not whoever you want to idolize to make yourself wrestling savy that makes sites like 411 possible, If it weren't for guys like that, you'd be blogging from a bingo hall, so "generic" was not the Ultimate Warrior, kid. Yeah, It's fun to bash him now, but you obviously didn't see him then, Batista wishes he had that legacy, and I like Batista but seriously, to say that proves you have no idea what you're talking about, let alone what to compare it to.
Posted By: Blueoyster (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:03 PM
"it weren't for guys like that, you'd be blogging from a bingo hall"
this sentence makes about as much sense as a poopy-flavored lollipop
Posted By: Bob Sacamano (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Hey Bob Sacremento-
How so, dip-shit? Seriously, I'd love to hear this.
People like Hogan, Warrior and others you jack-offs bag on built the wrestling entertainment empire that we see now, so Bingo-halls & school gyms in bum-screw 'wherever your slob ass lives' towns is where wrestling would be, so MR. POOPY-LOllY Boy, what exactly does that incredibly stupid comment come from or even mean, you sack of sarcastic shit, you?
Posted By: Blueoyster (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Batista is probably the least talented and passionate man I've ever seen in a ring.
Great work with the Cena comparisons, the man gets told he "sux!!11!!1.." almost nightly yet Cena can actually *gasp* entertain what the hell does Batista do? He's done the same shit ever since Evolution. The good thing is that he only has a few years left and will hopefully be out of sight soon.
Fuck you Batista :D
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 10:30 PM
You know I am not a huge Batista fan but the crowd loves him when he comes out, and he makes the company money. We all have times at our job when we feel like things are not fair and complain. If he had the balls to complain and got himself a title run, short or not, good for him. Hey he put over Jerico clean in the cage. If he was a cry baby he would have asked for someone else to cost him that match.
Posted By: T-Mac (Guest) on November 15, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Aaron,
Right on with the Eddie tribute. Because of the personality that he oozed through the tv set, I was a little teary eyed when he passed. I really do miss him entertaining me.
Batista, well, I admit that I enjoy him and he serves a purpose in the WWE. There's always a place for that roided-up-jacked-superhuman physique to serve as that wow factor. Let's face it, if we wanted to see guys that look like us "fight," we'd just go down to the local bar. However, everyone has their taste and I understand why many in the IWC do not like Batista.
I really don't care about the bad mouthing of Sid and Ultimate Warrior to each there own.
My problem is this and I don't mean to bring the age thing up again, but your commment
"but that didn't make Ultimate Warrior or Psycho Sid popular with the "smart" wrestling fans. We saw them as shallow characters with no depth,"
I doubt that you thought Sid and Warrior were "shallow characters" when you were 5 years old or younger. You can watch all the dvds and youtubes you want, but you really don't know what they were like without experiencing it. It's kind of like me watching the beatles on tv and explaining what it was like in that era and describing it as "we felt." Why don't you head down to the vfw and tell some nam vets how everyone felt in the late 60s?
And on that point, what make us "smart" fans? Because we go online and read rumors that may or may not be true. I love 411 but let's face it, sometimes we're all just some gossip reading bitches. We don't even know how much of it is true. Like Batista's alleged bitching.
Also, London did not gain his freedom. Dude got fired.
Stay warm in KS.
Posted By: Angry Bear (Guest) on November 16, 2008 at 01:36 AM
Batista's first title reign was 2 days longer than Cena's first. And had he not been injured he might have been "shoved down people's throats" like everyone says Cena was. As a longtime fan, I can say that Batista bores the piss out of me. HBK and Undertaker too. What do those 3 have in common? Oh yeah, they lay down clean maybe once a year.
Posted By: Tobey Kinson (Guest) on November 16, 2008 at 05:15 AM
I'm not a fan of Batista's attitude. The way he handled being booed when he wrestled on ECW was pathetic and childish. His reaction to the RKO chants on Raw recently was priceless. He really has this "people should cheer for me because I'm Batista" attitude. He was FIRMLY booed when he wrestled the Undertaker, which was a joy to watch but that was a situation where he was motivated and had something to prove. He was pissed that they werent going on last and he was wrestling the Undertaker. If you cant get motivated for that you shouldnt be in the business. My problem with Batista is he's stale and never really puts people over and when he does it's never with a firm explanation point.
Posted By: Guest#9230 (Guest) on November 16, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Bret Hart just said in an interview that Orton, Mysterio, BATISTA and Taker are his favorite wrestlers.
Posted By: Greg (Guest) on November 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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