Tim's Take 11.25.08: Can You Feel The Excitement?
Posted by Tim Livingston on 11.25.2008
For the longest time, wrestling has been without someone truly electrifying. What's it going to take to find someone who can truly captivate the U.S. wrestling fan?
The United States wrestling scene is in a downturn right now. For a while now, there really hasn't been somebody who has captivated audiences like many of the greats that have stepped between the ropes. So imagine the conversation that came up when this question was posed on a message board this past week: "What would make you excited about wrestling again?"
My gut reaction was someone who was absolutely the baddest man on the planet, knew it, and wouldn't let you beat him because he knew he was the best. Then, I thought about all the people I like for one reason or another.
Toshiaki Kawada was instantly a favorite of mine the moment I saw him sell a big move from Mitsuharu Misawa. I loved his facial expressions and how he really enhanced a match on his mannerisms alone. He was able to really make those big matches in All Japan during the 1990s truly epic.
Shinya Hashimoto had that fighting spirit that truly defined heart in a wrestling ring. He dressed and acted like he was the top warrior fighting to keep his spot. He whooped ass, he took an ass whooping, and then when it seemed he was just about ready to be put away, he would take a come back to the next level. He was possibly the best big-match wrestler in the history of professional wrestling, as every time he main evented at the Tokyo Dome, you knew you were going to get something special.
Rey Mysterio was on of the most graceful wrestlers I had ever seen. I remember seeing his first match with Dean Malenko and my mind was blown. I know that particular match was all Malenko all the time, but what you saw from Mysterio there was the idea that this guy could defy gravity. A year later, when he had the best WCW match ever with Eddy Guerrero at Halloween Havoc, it only cemented his status as one of my favorites.
Speaking of Eddy, he holds my personal greatest moment in my life in regards to professional wrestling, when he beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship at No Way Out in 2004. I remember the crowd, I remember the heat, I remember the passion Eddy had for that moment, the pinnacle of his career. I remember how he soaked everything in every time he was in the ring. He was a man who truly loved what he did, and what a joy it was to watch him work. When he came back after his drug suspension and was pushed to the moon, making him a top draw in world, I loved how he realized just how great a position he was in, and he seized that moment.
Chris Benoit was one of my favorites for obvious reasons at the time. His intensity, his tough-as-nails attitude, his graceful way of being truly violent. What's sad about that is that as soon as I typed those sentences, I could only think of how he chose to end his life and those of his wife and son. Truly the most heartbreaking story in wrestling for me. It pains me to think about him.
Bret Hart was someone who I got behind because he did EVERYTHING right. I mean, everything. Of course, as I grew up and saw his heel turn, I fell out of favor with him, but looking back, he truly did everything to the best of his abilities. He made everything around him better. Those "Bret by the Numbers" matches might have been done only because he realized the limitations of his opponents. He was the best ring general not named Ric Flair.
The more I think about it, the more Flair becomes my favorite wrestler of all time. He worked all over the world, did it on both sides of the heel/face spectrum, worked top matches every time he went out to the ring, and he did it with a style that has never been seen like him since then, and probably won't ever be seen again save for a complete copycat. Then again, Flair's gimmick was a copycat of someone else, so who knows?
So when you think about a question like that, a lot of answers come up. There's many different reasons why wrestling at one time was great. During the 80's, each territory had compelling original storylines. They were able to push guys to the top of the card and the heel/face dynamics were so different that it allowed faces to really give the heels their comeuppance.
Then, Hulk Hogan's superstardom pushed the idea of a top dog fending off all challengers, giving heels a compelling fight against the ace of a company, only to see the ace overcome the odds and win out. Nevermind the fact that Hogan did it in a manner that put him above all others because of him being in the main event, but since then, it seems that Vince McMahon has seen that as the way to make the big bucks.
Once again, the question is what would make you get excited about wrestling again. Does wrestling truly need another Hulk Hogan?
The thing to think about is that the majority of great wrestling ideas do not come from promoters. They come from the wrestlers. The Rock? "Stone Cold" Steve Austin? Mankind? Those were all the ideas of the wrestlers themselves. The great Jericho/Michaels feud this year? That was all them.
One of the main things that bugs me about today's wrestling world is that the majority of decisions being made are being made by guys who haven't been in the business that long at all. I understand the booking team of TNA is made up of guys who have been a part of the wrestling business for a pretty long time, but there's this idea that wrestlers have no real input into their characters and their storylines. That's certainly the case for those in WWE, as the booking ideas go straight to the higher ups, and then ultimately, McMahon makes the decision.
One of the best things about a locker room like Ring of Honor's is that while one guy had the book, the wrestlers were basically in control of their own stories. That allowed the wrestlers to trust each other and be able to do things without fear of being shot down. Ultimately, the head booker would make the decision, but the majority of the time, nothing was changed.
So then, the question becomes whether a wrestler can truly break out because of booking, or in spite of it. There are cases for both sides, but it seems that the best way that superstars had been built in the past was that when something presented itself, it was pushed that way.
That's the thing about looking for the next big thing. You have to just let it happen. HHH thinks he's a big deal, but in reality, he's only on top because of overexposure, and that's because of his connections backstage. He's been pushed down our throats, and sometimes we like him, sometimes we don't. We're mostly indifferent to him.
So when we're looking for something to get people back into wrestling, there seems to be a lot of answers. People like the Flairs, the Rocks, the Stone Colds. Others loved the passion for the sport that a Guerrero or a Benoit had. Others love the larger than life presence that someone like Big Van Vader had. These were the wrestlers that truly captivated us and kept us involved in wrestling.
Wrestlers like that were able to get the fans behind them or against them. They weren't forced down our throats. They were able to get over on their own accord, and they forced the higher-ups to put them in a better position on the card. Steve Austin was facing Savio Vega in the summer of 1996, then won the King of the Ring because he was slowly getting over. Then, he put himself over for good.
On the big scale, that might not be the case anymore. Maybe the booking ideals of both WWE and TNA just down allow for that type of growth anymore. Maybe WWE just wants to come up with gimmicks for every wrestler and hope that out of 20, one actually gets over. Is that really going to captivate us?
I understand that people have their talons into ROH and FIP and such, but while they have guys that are good, there isn't anybody there that truly exemplifies someone that is at the top of the sport. Right now, WWE is the top of the sport. Right now, John Cena is at the the top of WWE. However, he isn't exactly the guy who can get people into the sport. He's too much like a Hogan. He's manufactured. He's unoriginal. This is coming from someone who enjoys Cena a lot.
The problem is that he's not an earth-shaker. He's not someone who's going to make people care about wrestling again. He's marketed well enough, but there's nothing about him that screams, "I am wrestling!"
That's what the wrestling world needs. An undisputed flag bearer. Someone just needs to step up and take it, and my belief is that it won't come from the "sports entertainment" minds that book both WWE and TNA. It's going to have to come from a wrestler who wants to be the best.
Posted By: Sam (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I think the groundwork is being laid for whoever IS the next big thing... Vince has guys like Edge & Jericho around, Orton who even JR admitted is going to stay a 'tweener for a while... there's good stuff going on in the E, there's just nobody who EVERYONE can get behind like they did with Rock & Austin
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:17 AM
The thing about the next big thing in wrestling is that they never look the part when they first show up. For instance, John Cena made his debut against Kurt Angle and although had a good outting, didn't excatly catch the world on fire in his first match. Whom could predict that Cena's chance to break out would be an Halloween episode of Smackdown? Hell, I bet anyone to tell me when Randy Orton debuted. the first time a large amount of people gave a damn about him is when he got injured and ran those RNN spoofs.
The problem with a lot of these new guys are that they only have one layer to them. Shelton Benjamin is a great althete to be sure, but that's all he has going for him at this point. The same with guys Evan Bourne, and Kofi Kingston. Unless they are actually in the ring wrestling, I could care less about them.
A true icon like The Rock people care about no matter what they are doing. I remember thaty time when the Rock cut a TAPED promo and got one of the biggest I ever heard. He had the audience in the palm of his hand...with a pre-taped promo!
You a right about Cena not being an earth-shaker, Tim. The Rock appealed to damn near everybody for one reason of another. Honestly, I perfer the Cena from 2003. That Cena seems more like a real person than the current version.
Posted By: Johnny Kinard (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Great column, as always! There is one man who I bleieve could be the next big thing. Randy Orton is that man. He's one of the few wrestlers that males 18-34 can relate to. He's ruthless and just doesn't give a shit. Thats why The Rock nWo, Austin, DX, John Cena circa 2003 and even Brock Lesnar got over, because they were assholes. i watch wrestling with my mark friends, and i can always tell who's really over, not who the WWE tries to tell us is over. These guys are like a wrestling barometer, and they think Orton rules. His cocky badass character that takes shit off no-one, his cool finisher,great look, ice cold promos... the guys the complete package, and probably is the only wrestler in WWE, outside of Punk, Shelton and Kendrick thats entertaining. With work, he definately could become the next big thing, not in the mould of Rock or Hogan or Austin like Cena's supposed to be, but soething fresh and different. WWE should stop trying to make new stars that are basically rehashes of previous stars but some unique characters!
Posted By: 1manposse (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:52 AM
GILLBERG is the answer
Posted By: Kirk (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,
The Miz and Morrison?
CM Punk?
Posted By: who cares (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 12:24 PM
For me, Jeff Hardy, Edge, CM Punk are wrestling for me. The real flag bearer however is and will be two words:
Randy Orton
I believe it everytime I see him. The way he makes his entrance, the way he wrestles, the way he sets up for the RKO or for the punt. He is the future without a doubt.
While him and Edge have been gone WWE has totally bombed because no one has a real good character. Edge is an opportunist that will eventually wow you in the ring one on one, especially in anything involving TLC. Orton is an egomaniac who will wow you in the rign with how good he is and pull an RKO out of nowhere. I don't think anyone can say in the 3 months Cena has been gone anybody was saying, "man I can't wait till Cena comes back." Once Orton showed his face even though he didn't wrestle, people were waiting for him to come back, just like Edge.
Hardy and Punk have the excitement factor of not being in the WWE mold of 6'5 chisled out of granite from the WWE bakery. They're both average sized guys who know how to wow. Hardy jacked himself up a bit, but look what happeend at SS when he wasn't in the match, and the pop fro mthe crowd when he ran out. Now that he actually has a character he's gotten way better. Punk is definitely the anti-WWE looking guy, and that's why he works. Plus he's got some great moves and always manages to pull out some good mathces and make his opponenet look better.
Posted By: christi (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I think to get the fans electrified would require the development of a star at the fan's choosing. Rather than having certain stars thrust upon us (Cena, Orton. Kennedy) - we need wrestlers who are developed into fan favorites (Edge, CM Punk, Jericho).
Now - the wrestling companies can direct this fan favorite development without it being obvious. Goldberg is a perfect example of how the fans feel they dictated his win over Hogan even though his win streak and rise through the ranks was actually developed and implemented by the bookers. If people didn't buy into Goldberg - his win streak would have ended.
The character of Goldberg is the blueprint for the next big thing.
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Tim, good column! I don't know if there will ever be a wrestler that does something like that again, because many of today's wrestling fans won't allow it. They get bored way too quickly.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 01:19 PM
They need Edge back on Raw.They need the unpredicatbility that he brung to that show.
The Live Sex Celebration had the best rating in the WWE since the end of the Attitude era.
They need that anything can happen vibe again to make the show must see.
Another thing HHH is so ultra dominant on WWE programming its disgusting.He isnt that over enough to warrant that permanent God push he has.
You mix plot twists and suprises,fresh characters and interesting storylines and you have another wrestling boom.
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:08 PM
Like I said they need more shock and suprise elements to the booking..
They need people that truly connect with audience instead of forcing people down our throats like DX.
I think MVP,CM PUNK,Miz and Morrison could have that effect...
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:12 PM
I agree Cena in 2003 was a better version. Instead now he kisses up to the fans and Vince pulls the strings. It does not seem natural and he does not flow when speaking.
The Rock would give you great promos and not miss a beat!
Posted By: T-Mac (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:20 PM
When I think about the WWE now compared to the WWF in the late 90's and early 2000's, I have to cry a bit, not just for the dearth of top-level talent on the level of Austin or Rock, but also the complete lack of personality from the talent up and down the roster. Say what you will about the Russo-fied 90's, but he at least knew how to make the wrestlers distinct, so that many midcard wrestlers got pops the way many of the current main eventers do not.
How many of today's wrestlers that debuted since the roster split have really developed a distinct personality?
Batista: A slightly more intelligent version of the big monster.
Orton: Your standard garden variety prick (when they weren't trying to make him into Stone Cold 2.0)
Cena is about the only one, and even he strays far afield into Rock territory.
The rest of the roster is pretty generic, aside from the holdovers from the attutide era (HBK, UT, HHH, Kane, Jericho, Hardys). And the ones whom we know can have personality have not been given the chance to show it (Punk being the primary example of this).
They may be good wrestlers all of them, but the WWE has not given them the chance to really show us what they can do. As a result, the fans don't have anybody particularly new they can get behind, which will bit the WWE on its ass once we start seeing the attitude wrestlers call it a career.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Awesome column, I agree that the wrestlers *sorry Vince* you mentioned were all truly amazing performers who got you caught up in the moment, the end to Mania XX is, IMO the single most perfect ending to a PPV I've ever seen (and I been watching since mid/late 80's) no matter what happened after for that one night everything seemed right about the business.
The short answer is better booking, plain and simple. The talent is already there: in TNA you've got Joe, AJ, MCMG, Jay Lethal, Homicide, Abyss and one or two others that have the potential, in WWE you've got guys like Edge, Orton, Punk, Shelton, MVP, Morrison, Ron Killings, Evan Bourne, Rhodes and Ted jr.
The problem is with all that talent no one has been creative enough on the booking side of either company to find a way to present the talent in a new & unique way.
Vince has his vision of what he thinks wrestling should be and will stick to it till his death unless someone steps up and makes him take a new direction.
TNA has changed creative direction so many times in the last 6 years I'm not sure if THEY even know what they want anymore (although the last month of shows have been better so theres hope yet), and as great as RoH is they don't have the funding to get a decent TV time-slot or keep their top wrestlers around long enough to make a dent in the market.
(Damn, I think I just described the mid 90's again all over again only without the awesome shows)
Posted By: PJ (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:42 PM
I think if the Mulkeys can join the WWE, they will gain some much needed momentum.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Wrestling needs something that will break the mold of what is currently going on. When I think of the times I was really into wrestling, it was when things were shaken up.
Stone Cold Steve Austin broke the mold of the babyface. The feud with McMahon went beyond the traditional "wrestler vs wrestler".
The NWO broke the rules of the stable. Not only were they trying to be the best, but they were trying to take over the company.
ECW offered violence that you didn't see anywhere else.
It really isn't hard, wrestling just needs a shakeup. The WWE needs to totally overhaul how they do things. The fueds are all pretty much interchangable. You can miss Raw for a month and not feel like you are behind.
TNA needs to stop trying to recycle old angles and gimmicks and capitalize on the talents they have.
Authority figures should be put on the shelf for awhile, letting the focus of the shows return to the wrestlers.
Posted By: Bemini (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Not to sound like a broken record from previous comments but when you think of "I am wrestling!" I think of Orton. He isnt going to be a film star or shit like that, he is cool enough to get guys to cheer for him while still keeping women interested because he is a decent looking dude.
Hell you can see this taking form now - Cheered and Booed by everyone but not in the Cena way where it was "BOO we hate you, fuck off" its "BOOO you kicked some old dude in the head, not cool" yet people cheer him when he walks out and pins the second most pushed guy in the company, Batista.
Save_Us.RKO
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 07:06 PM
Muta blew the doors off NWA/WCW when he debuted and When Worlds Collide killed. That sort of thing will never happen again because we are connected to the Japanese and Mexican scenes via DVDs and the Internet. The only way to truly change wrestling now is for the feds to keep everything quiet and regain the element of surprise.
Posted By: Iron Knee (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 08:08 PM
So how many more years do we have to wait until Monkey Boy "revolutionizes" the business?
ANOTHER CHINLOCK, RANDY?
Posted By: Randy BOREton (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 09:37 PM
Another Headlock Randy? That sign made me laugh so damn hard and made his match look ridiculous. All you RKO freaks need to calm down. Ever since Randy got off the gas and started distributing headlocks left and right he has bored the shit out of me. As for the article, Vince needs to let go of the attitude era and stop treating the fans like morons. Wrestling needs to get back in the ring and stop all this "attacked in his hotel room" and Q&A shit and get back to why we all watch. Then someone will be allowed to step up and make a name for themselves. Unless he decides to call the company World Entertainment.
Posted By: Tobey Kinson (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:15 PM
The WWE is going to be awful in about 5 years. Jericho, JBL, Kane, Regal, Mysterio, Shawn Michaels, Batista, Edge, Big Show, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, HHH, Undertaker, Big Show and Finlay will all be retired or about to retire. So we will have Orton, Cena, Morrison and a bunch of shmoos.
Posted By: Evil (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 01:27 AM
I am a huge TNA fan but the only guy in the industry right now that has a shot to be on the level of guys like Rock, Hogan, Austin, etc...is Randy Orton. That's it, he is the only one that I can think of. He has "it," he is must see TV, his entrance, his work in the ring, his attitude, his "I dont give a shit" persona, the entrance music, etc...
He is the only player in the game today that is close to being a complete superstar and he still has work to do to get to that point.
Great article.
Posted By: miles (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 01:57 AM
TNA in the last year so has been good to excellent.
But the problem now isnt creative.Its lack of advertising,half ass production and a fair degree of generic talent.
They need to shed some of the blander x div guys and step up their marketing game to be a bigger entity.
But you the crazy thing is that they are making a shit load of cash now and all they're gonna do is even MORE Sports Entertainment and more Former E Talent.
So get used to WWE Nashville for the next couple years,guys..
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 02:02 AM
Here's how wrestling can get back to greatness..LOLOL..the MACDOLLARZ SECRET FORMULA:
1.Shake things up.We need more unexpected wins,guys with winning streaks,title changes on TV,young guys getting top dog pushes.
Too many Heel champ cuts a 20 minute promo interrupted by a face contender and the GM comes down and makes a match for the PPV and tag match for tonight...
STOP THAT SHIT ALREADY.Shake things up,where's the suprise.
Example:How cool would it be for Randy to RKO Steph and have HHH break character and shoot on him and have a Randy vs Hunter fued?
Shit like that makes things more interesting.
2.Faces need to stop being de-pushed.It happened last year with Samoa Joe and it happened this year with CM Punk,its kills their momentum and interest people have in seeing them.
You can say ratings dropped with these guys as focus of the show but so did on SD with Cena and Orton first reign?Remember?Now they DRAW ratings becuz the WWE did not give up on them.
3.Stop shitting on established talent.The attitude era and NWO era had NAME talent to set the stage for new talent.
Without BRet Hart there would be no Austin,with Shawn Michaels there would be no HHH,with no UT there would be no Foley...get it?
You need a mix of top guys and new hot talent to make things interesting.
Thats why I think TNA has been way hotter these last six months than the WWE../
Posted By: MacDollarz. (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 02:12 AM
In case u forgot, his initials are:
R
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Posted By: RVD (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 05:58 AM
In the case of making yourself a star, I'd like to think Randy Orton is doing a fine job in this. Hes a heel character and is getting cheered. This is reminiscent of Stone Cold. Why is he getting cheered? Because he tells the truth. Hes not the best wrestler in the world, but neither was The Rock, Stone Cold, Mankind, and they all made themselves who they are due to WHO they are. This is exactly what Ortons doing and I really enjoy watching him on the mic and in the ring. He was injured for around 5-6 months and he was getting talked about more than wrestlers who were actually getting pushed. I love Randy and really hope he continues to be awesome. I also think its NOT a coincidence how all these characters were heels when they were accepted by the fans. Austin, Rock, Mankind was a heel when he was thrown off the Cell, Benoit was a heel for alot of his WWE career, Jericho has gotten WAY over cuz of his heelness. Maybe Heels are better to play than Faces?
Posted By: SirCrudNoodles (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 05:09 PM
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