Wrestling Deja Vu 12.22.08: The Unstoppable Force Meets The Immovable Object
Posted by Joseph Martinez on 12.22.2008
The first ever edition of Wrestling Deja Vu is here. Join me inside as I take a close look at two guys you may have heard of.
The wrestling world has played host to some of the greatest personalities ever. Wrestlers are expected to be larger than life figures able to get the fans to cheer or boo at any moment. One of the more prominent wrestlers was The Immortal Hulk Hogan. The Hulkster was one of the biggest stars to ever wrestle and he had the ability to make a crowd go crazy for him. He was one of, if not the, first wrestler to become a mainstream success and his name is most associated with wrestling. Megastars like Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and others serve as inspirations for the superstars of today. Some of these wrestlers dream to be compared to their idols which brings us to the focus of this column. We're going to pinpoint the similarities between the superstars of today and the superstars of yesteryear. I'm your host, Joseph Martinez, and before we get to the inaugural edition of Wrestling Deja Vu, I'd like to take a moment to introduce myself.
Meet the host
So, I'm the latest newcomer in this 411mania new talent initiative. Hopefully I'm more of an Evan Bourne than a Gavin Spears. I'm 19 and I've been a fan of wrestling for over a decade. I first got into the pseudo sport in late 1997 when I saw a commercial advertising a match between Sting and Hogan. My all-time favorite wrestlers are JBL, Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Gregory Helms. Not exactly a stable of technical elites, but I do love myself a wrestler who can work the mic. This is my first experience where writing and wrestling mix, but I look forward to whatever the future holds and hope you enjoy the column. I believe that's enough information about me, but if you have any questions ask away in the comment box below. Let's get to the column.
The Unstoppable Force Meets The Immovable Object
Hulk Hogan was mentioned earlier in the column and there's no doubt that he is the biggest star wrestling has ever produced despite falling on some hard times recently. The Rock challenged Hogan for that distinction, but he's distanced himself from wrestling. Steve Austin was the star of the WWE during the Attitude Era, but his star doesn't shine as bright as Hogan's. Others like Ric Flair, Triple H, and Shawn Michaels are popular, but their fame falls short of the Hulkster's. Hogan's success didn't come without any help. He was booked to look strong even in defeat and was the cornerstone of the WWF and eventually WCW. In order to be the franchise player for an organization, you have to have the right assets. The look, the ability to get the crowd involved, and the ability to tell a story. Hogan built a legacy on these traits and became a legend, however not many wrestlers in this day and age possess these abilities. One individual has the skillset to match Hogan's star power and success. That individual is John Cena, one of the current foundations of the WWE. Like The Hulkster, John Cena is booked like a machine; always finding the strength to pull out the victory. Cena also has the unique ability that allows him to create a reaction in every fan, ranging from disgust and hatred to admiration and inspiration. Both Cena and Hulk Hogan are loved by millions of people and have inspired the next generation of wrestlers. John Cena's career appears to be far from over, but he has positioned himself to be a name we hear for the next decade or two, just like Hulk Hogan.
The Gimmick
I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free.
Hulk Hogan was the epitome of virtue and Hulkamania was built on a foundation of doing what's right. Children loved him because he vanquished the bad guys and adults loved him because he was the perfect piece to the timeless tale of good versus evil. Hogan feuded with legends and took the high road for the most part of his career. Being the Golden Boy is difficult because people eventually tire of the routine. Children grow up and adults recognize the pattern of success and Hogan was not an exception to this rule. The Hulkster's heel turn came at a time where neither the business nor Hogan were at their peak, but his good guy image made that moment one of the greatest wrestling moments ever. Hogan played the bad guy for a while but was eventually turned face again. WCW went under and Hogan came back to the WWE as a heel, which lasted for a very short period of time. Wrestlemania X8 played host to the matchup between the Hulkster and The Rock. Hogan came into the match as a heel, but left as a face, which proved that Hulkamania was still alive and well.
John Cena is the modern day good guy. Hell, his storyline in Smackdown V. Raw 2009 involves him protecting a soldier. He stands up for the little guy and never backs down from a fight. Cena is THEE ideal baby face just like Hogan was in his day. The Hulkster and Cena each had their own cult of fans. The Hulkamaniacs represented Hulk Hogan and some of us remain fans of Hogan to this day. Cena's Chaingang is a growing fan base because he has proven that he is dedicated to the game and the kids really love the guy, but there will always be people with differing views. While Cena probably has more admirers than any other active wrestler (sans Triple H or The Undertaker), he has faced a backlash from the general fan base. His ability to overcome the odds has drawn the ire of many fans who believe that Cena's gimmick is the same old deal over and over again. His popularity remains off the charts, but boos always seem to accompany Cena. A heel turn by John Cena probably wouldn't survive the test of time like Hogan's, but it would send shockwaves across the industry because he has been a face for so long.
. The Gold
When the chips are down and the highs are low, a franchise player must always be able to be depended upon. Both John Cena and Hulk Hogan are quality examples of this type of wrestler. Hulk Hogan has held the top prize a total of twelve times. It's a testament to his ability as a performer that he held both the World Heavyweight Championship (WCW) and the WWE Championship six times each. Hogan's only other title in the major leagues (WCW and WWE) was the WWE Tag Titles, which he held with a non-bearded Edge. John Cena has built a nickname and a catchphrase on holding world championships. Cena has been on the main roster for almost seven years and has been the World Champion on four different occasions. Championship belts aren't the only place where Cena has struck gold as his debut album, You Can't See Me was certified gold.
The Glory Outside the Game
Both of these individuals have achieved some success outside of the wrestling industry. The popularity of Hulkamania led Hogan to dabble in movies, which peaked early with Rocky III. Hogan was the star of other movies and guest starred on several television shows but they were all unspectacular. Hulk Hogan is no longer a full-time performer (I'd call him retired, but he has yet to announce his plans to do that), so he had to look at ventures outside of wrestling to pay the bills. Hogan has found most success in reality television shows and hosting gigs. Hogan Knows Best may have been his most successful TV hit as it was on the air for several seasons and only came to an end because of the Hulkster's nasty divorce. American Gladiators is hosted by Hulk Hogan and has recently been picked up for another season, which will begin in the summer of 2009. Hulk Hogan's Celebrity Championship Wrestling was another reality success that recently ended. Hogan and company are looking to take CCW on the road and the odds that people pay to see this are pretty high. The Hulk Hogan marketing machine is a juggernaut just like the man himself.
John Cena's star outside of pro wrestling isn't as bright as Hogan's, but it's getting there. John Cena's rapper gimmick led to his aforementioned CD and it enforced the marketing ability of the Champ. Hulk Hogan was never able to translate his popularity into feature films, but John Cena has found moderate success in that industry. He has one film under his belt and another one coming in the near future. While The Marine's theater run was lackluster, the DVD sales were off the charts, and the movie became the greatest success of WWE Films to date. The success of The Marine has spawned a sequel which is going to feature Ted Dibiase Jr. Cena's next movie 12 Rounds is slated for a 2009 release. Cena has also experienced success in television with reality TV and hosting duties. All of Cena's ventures outside the wrestling world have increased his marketability and there is no doubt that he will be involved in future projects.
Crossing Paths
The Hulkster had flirted with retirement and left the WWE several times after WCW went under. There were times where Hogan and Cena had been a part of the WWE at the same time, but they never participated in the same match until the summer of 2005. Hulk Hogan (who had returned to be inducted into the Hall of Fame) tagged up with John Cena and Shawn Michaels and defeated Chris Jericho, Tomko and Christian. This wasn't the only time these two individuals crossed paths in 2005. In August, the two presented an award at the Teen Choice Awards. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on what side of the fence you sit on), these two individuals have not had much interaction. Maybe Cena and Hogan will get together at a Tampa Bay Rays game or something.
The Legacy
Hulkamania is one of the greatest things wrestling has ever produced. It has led to millions of fans and millions of dollars in revenue. The success of Hulkamania has cemented Hogan's status as the greatest of all-time. Hogan has also had some of the greatest moments in wrestling history. His match with Andre the Giant is referred to by many as an iconic moment. John Cena is in the prime of his career and despite being hampered by injuries, he's been a force in the WWE. He has had some legendary moments (winning the title at Wrestlemania and his shocking Royal Rumble return), and has his own crazed fan base that allows him to compete with Hogan's legacy. If Hogan is the Michael Jordan of Wrestling, John Cena could very well be the LeBron James. Cena has faced his share of adversity and has perservered when the lights were on bright. Time will tell if Cena ever dethrones the Hulkster as the most popular wrestler of all-time, but for now both men are examples of wrestling's greatest successes.
Goodnight, Travel Well.
Christmas is this Thursday and it's shaping up to be a rather average one for me. I wonder what the TNA folks have planned for their holiday episode. Impact tends to be more enjoyable for me when they have a holiday theme but hopefully they don't do anything too over the top. Hopefully you enjoy your Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanzaa or any other holiday I may have left out and be safe. That just about does it for the first edition of Wrestling Deja Vu. Got any questions, comments, corrections or concerns? Just post whatever is on your mind in the comment section or send an e-mail to jfmartinez07@yahoo.com and I'll get back to you asap.
Posted By: dam (Guest) on December 21, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Prettaaaaaay, prettaaaaay, prettaaaaaay BLAND.
Posted By: Larry David (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:29 AM
"Steve Austin was the star of the WWE during the Attitude Era, but his star doesn't shine as bright as Hogan's."
FINALLY!!! A writer with a brain! This fact is truer the any wrestling fact of the ages. I don't care how popular Austin was back in the 90s! It is a testiment when you see today Austin can rarely gets a crowd response, but if HOGAN came out respect would be ten-fold. OUTSTANDING COMMENT sincerely, Joseph! :)
Posted By: DoubleADaGreat (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:32 AM
BOR-ING! BOR-ING!
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Saw Cena and Hogan, and Knobbs, putting down some Miller Lites at a Rays game this year. So they do hang out.
Posted By: Guest#5218 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:02 AM
Congrats on getting a spot in 411, dude. I like the column's gimmick, it should lead to some interesting comparisons down the road. I think this one was pretty obvious, but hey, doesn't make it any less true. Plus it's your first time out, getting a feel for things. Look forward to reading your work.
Posted By: Lern2Welcome (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:04 AM
FINALLY!!! A writer with a brain! This fact is truer the any wrestling fact of the ages. I don't care how popular Austin was back in the 90s! It is a testiment when you see today Austin can rarely gets a crowd response, but if HOGAN came out respect would be ten-fold. OUTSTANDING COMMENT sincerely, Joseph! :)
Posted By: DoubleADaGreat (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Uhhhh, do you have your eyes closed and your TV muted when Austin shows up these days? Because that's the only way that comment makes any sense.
Posted By: Guest#0546 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:07 AM
not my coup of Tea but good nluck to ya
Posted By: Guest#1258 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:20 AM
Fantastic writer, although I am do not agree with everything in here. Maybe throw in a kayfabe match between the two at the end? Just to keep things spicy.
Posted By: Matt Eli (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:46 AM
Great article!!! I really enjoyed reading it.
Posted By: JSN (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 03:22 AM
" Both Cena and Hulk Hogan are loved by millions of people and have inspired the next generation of wrestlers. "
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I laughed.
Good joke.
Posted By: Brooke Hogan (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 04:04 AM
Nice writing, but I disagree with your thesis paragraph. IMO, Hogan nor Cena tell that great of a story. Rather, it's their "timing" that did Hogan right. Hogan's look was right, the gimmick was right, and the time was right. He was popular at a time when wrestling was popular. Cena isn't. A better article (though, irrelevant with respect to the present) would be a Hogan/Austin article. Austin was great during a time when the wrestling business was booming again. Though, someone like Hart or Michaels who preceded Austin in being "the no.1 guy," was just as good (if not better) at the "craft." Austin was clearly more successful just because of the way business was at his time. Cena doesn't really hold a candle to Hogan for reasons out of his control. That being, the wrestling business isn't doing as well as it has in other times.
Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 04:43 AM
Hogan also held the WWF/E tag titles with Brutus Beefcake sometime around Wrestlemania IX.
Posted By: DK (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 05:45 AM
Good column Joseph! Even if Cena were to surpass Hogan in championships, the smarks will never let Cena go ahead in popularity.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 05:54 AM
I really like the columns style of writing, but I take issue with some of the content.
I think you're looking at these guys through rose tinted glasses, and if you think that Cena could be the number 2 behind Hogan, you've been drinking too much eggnog. You have Hogan, Austin and Rocky (in that order), then you have 'the rest'.
Just constructive criticism. I feel you need more fact based comparison rather than "these two guys are both really great"
Posted By: Flynn (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 07:45 AM
Not entirely sure that I agree with your reasoning that The Rock can be discounted from being a star produced by wrestling because he's distanced himself from it - it's still wrestling that put him on the map and opened doors for him.
Both The Rock and Brock Lesnar are not only bigger in terms of global recognition than John Cena but have the potential to eclipse Hogan's shadow - had Hogan achieved in Hollywood, he would not have returned to WCW in 94. His failures in other aspects of his career at that time lead to a return to the ring not any love of the business so don't kid yourself.
Having said that I like the format and wish you luck for future articles (a brave choice comparing two of the most reviled figures within the IWC in a favourable light... and you should be commended for it)
Posted By: Bored Weegie (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 07:53 AM
"Steve Austin was the star of the WWE during the Attitude Era, but his star doesn't shine as bright as Hogan's."
FINALLY!!! A writer with a brain! This fact is truer the any wrestling fact of the ages. I don't care how popular Austin was back in the 90s! It is a testiment when you see today Austin can rarely gets a crowd response, but if HOGAN came out respect would be ten-fold. OUTSTANDING COMMENT sincerely, Joseph! :)
- Lets drop all the B.S. aside...in their prime, Austin would beat Hogan's ass in pretty much everything....think about it.. Stone Cold in the 80's with those Rambo, Bronson, and similar movies out there...tell me that wouldnt have beaten Hogan's run in the WWE...bottom line, Austin will always be the bigger draw.
Posted By: Seduso (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 08:14 AM
You want not "boring!" Come read my crap!
Posted By: Jake Chambers (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 08:19 AM
I'm going to be a bit nit-picky and say that you didn't mention Cena's US title championships, which shows he had to work his way up the ladder to get to where he is now, whereas Hogan was pretty much there from the start.
Posted By: SirCrudNoodles (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Matt Eli, that would be a "fantasy" match, not a "kayfabe" match. Learn what words mean before using them, Junior.
Posted By: Polish Post (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Forget the jerks man. I thought it was pretty good.
Posted By: US (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 08:49 AM
"Steve Austin was the star of the WWE during the Attitude Era, but his star doesn't shine as bright as Hogan's."
FINALLY!!! A writer with a brain! This fact is truer the any wrestling fact of the ages. I don't care how popular Austin was back in the 90s! It is a testiment when you see today Austin can rarely gets a crowd response, but if HOGAN came out respect would be ten-fold. OUTSTANDING COMMENT sincerely, Joseph! :)
Posted By: DoubleADaGreat (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Are you guys supid? Did you even watch the attitude era? Austin got the loudest pops then everyone. I was at an event during his run and the building was so loud it almost shooked when he came out. That was a load of bull from two cena and hogan marks. Austin could get the crowd going any time he wanted too. Heel or face.
Posted By: johnny (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Fuck that Austin is still the baddest SOB on the planet! knee braces, back pains, u still will feel the wrath of the STUNNER!
JR "STONE COLD!, STONE COLD!, STONE COLD!"
Posted By: Clintastrophe (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
No one will surpass Hogan, ever. Cena will have an awesome career, but will never be as popular as Hogan. No one will.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM
JFM GREAT ARTICLE :D
Posted By: AJ (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Not as popular as Hogan??!! If'n you was a bigtitty blonde bitch I would stomp a mudhole in your ass!
Posted By: Stone Cold (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 03:10 PM
Austin barely get a crowd response???!!!! U need 2 turn up ur hearing aid cause ur deaf!! Hogan put wrestling into the main stream but Austin redefined wrestling to heights Hogan & his "goody to shoes" character couldnt. Plus, Austin could wrestle! Austin is god!
Posted By: Billy (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 03:41 PM
number one, Cena shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Hogan, Rock, or Austin. He's not at their level and he never will be. Too many people dislike him for him to even be considered as great as them. And I honestly don't see what Cena brings to the table. Most of the WWE roster can wrestle better than him and his promos consist of yelling, lame jokes, speeches and kissing the fans butts. The only reason he's even in the main event is because kids make their parents buy his crap.
Point 2: As far as Hogan and Austin goes, Austin was the bigger draw and he is arguably the most popular star ever. But with that being said Austin 3:16 ain't got sh*t on Hulkamania, Hogan was the biggest face ever and to me personally he is the most overrated wrestler of all time but their is no denying what the man did for wrestling, hate him or love him, the man put wrestling on the map and as popular and as great as Austin was he isn't quite Hogan when you compare the careers of both men.
Point 3: The Rock is a bigger star(main stream) than Hogan, Austin, or Cena. not only that but he is the smartest man in wrestling history. The Rock pretty much had one of the greatest careers in wrestling history. you could argue only 3 or 4 wrestlers were more popular than him and you could only argue 3 or 4 wrestlers had a bigger impact than him. And this is after only about 5 full time years in the WWE! Imagine if he had stayed 5 0r 10 more years. Hogan's career lasted 20+ years, Austin's career lasted 15+ years, cena is in his 8th year and Cena is no where near the level Rock was in his 5th year. Rock is also a very succesfful actor and granted not all have been awesome movies but most of them have been at least good and they make money. Hogan, austin, and Cena have all failed to reach the success Rock did in movies. And I'm not saying Cena is trying to leave to make movies but even if he wanted to do you honestly think Cena is a big enough star to make it in movies without the WWE backng him, he doesn't have the fan base nor the movie offers to be successful. Rock is expected to be an A lister in the next year. So considering all the success he had in and out of the ring and in a relatively short time and age, Rock is the biggest star the WWE has ever produced. And the best part about Rock is that he is still in is prime, so he has plenty of time to accomplish much more in his life.
Posted By: BTPLTS (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Nice little column but Cena will never be in same breath with Rock, Austin, or Hogan. No superstar in today's age will be and it's hard to dispute the facts, he doesn't draw as well as they do, nor is he even allowed to do his own promos unlike the aforementioned. It's not Cena's fault but the writers' fault. So this isn’t a Cena hate campaign, generally most of today’s superstars just don’t have the ability to go to the next level, or the glass ceiling prevents them from further progressing to that level. Otherwise, I think Cena, Batista, Orton, and maybe even others would have a shot at becoming larger then life. The perception of wrestling in general prevents this currently.
Posted By: Guest#7752 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 06:49 PM
"Austin could get the crowd going any time he wanted too. Heel or face."
No. Once he went face, he was never more than a passable heel again. Try as he may, the heel turn in 2001 was a bust.
Posted By: Guest#2435 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Naaaaah, Cena's more like a Bret, Shawn, or Diesel. He carried the company during a DOWN period. He doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Hogan, Austin, or Rock (or even...Goldberg? Sting? I'd say he isn't).
Posted By: It's Simple Math (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM
After Hogan left wrestling, people kept saying that NO ONE would EVER be even CLOSE to his level, and Austin and Rocky ended up almost (if not truly) eclipsing him. I'm not the biggest Cena fan, but I definitely respect him. The ratings get a bump every time he returns, women and kids love him, and by kids I'm also counting a lot of those early teenagers. You guys are either still caught up in your Cena hate, or your caught up in your love for an era that's long gone. It's thinking like yours that would have crippled Austin and Rock when they were being elevated. Cena may not ever be like those guys, but there is always a chance, if McMahon plays his cards right, and fools you for the umpteenth time in the last twenty years.
Posted By: Random Poo (Guest) on December 23, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Welcome, Joseph. I liked your writing style, informative but not boring. Looking forward to reading your work.
Posted By: zhalazhazka (Guest) on December 23, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Very interesting look and comparison, one I have actually made myself in my own mind. some here have argued against it, but I think their inner mark has buried their smark's realisation that Cena could well be seen as Hogan v2.0, but the difference is the timing. If Hogan had have just started his run now instead of back in the 80's, yet wrestling progressed the same way, he would be getting similar if not worse responses than Cena is
Posted By: Lynx Raven Raide (Guest) on December 25, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Interesting debut column, but i have some choice words for you, you can't see me ;D
Posted By: Mulee. (Guest) on December 25, 2008 at 08:09 PM
"Uhhhh, do you have your eyes closed and your TV muted when Austin shows up these days? Because that's the only way that comment makes any sense.
Posted By: Guest#0546 (Guest) on December 22, 2008 at 01:07 AM"
If you got something negative to say, how about put your name and email up instead of Guest#0546... loser. By the way Austin-mark, I do pay attention to the "show these days", which Austin is rarely on, unless he is making new talent look inferior to him. Have some balls, Austin, and face Hogan.
Posted By: DoubleADaGreat (Guest) on January 27, 2009 at 01:12 AM