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My Take On 01.03.09: My Top 10 TNA PPV Matches of 2008
Posted by Larry Csonka on 01.03.2009





Welcome!
As far as PPV is concerned, 2008 is finished. I have said it before and I will say it again, 2008 was a very good year for PPV, much better than 2007. So with the year in PPV complete, it is time to look back at some of the great matches from the year that was in PPV. Today I continue this look back with the top TNA PPV matches of the year. TNA is quite possibly the most bi-polar company in the history of the sport. Great wrestlers, a good mix of young up and comers and veterans, but sometimes they can't help themselves booking wise, and the product ends up suffering for that. Some matches will have the same rating, but will be separated by the importance of the match and or how it helped the performer or performers as far as their careers go. Remember, this is the Top 10 TNA PPV Matches of 2008.

Honorable Mentions
A) (TNA SLAMMIVERSARY) TNA X-DIVISION TITLE MATCH: Petey Williams © vs. Kaz ***¾

B) (TNA LOCKDOWN) LETHAL LOCKDOWN: Team Cage vs. Team Tomko ***¾

C) (TNA AGAINST ALL ODDS) HARDCORE STREET FIGHT: Team 3D and Brother Devine vs. Black Machismo and the Motor City Machineguns ***¾

D) (TNA TURNING POINT) TNA TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH: Beer Money © vs. The Motor City Machine Guns ***¾

E) (TNA NO SURRENDER) Ladder of Love Match: Sonjay Dutt vs. Black Machismo Jay Lethal ***¾


The Top 10


10) (TNA VICTORY ROAD) (Full Metal Mayhem – Six-Man War Match) AJ Styles, Christian Cage and Rhino vs. Kurt Angle and Team 3D ***¾

We kick off the list with a TNA standard, the gimmick match. But honestly, I really liked the set up to the match, with Team 3D running wild on Cage and Rhino for weeks, and it all working together for this match. It keeps the fires burning for the feuds, while not giving away another Angle vs. AJ singles match or 3D vs. Cage and Rhino. The match was some good stuff, and they usually deliver in these style of matches. First of all they kept the ladder spots to a minimum, they did a lot of tables, which the people have been wanting, included some cool dive spots, one with Cage diving from the top of the truss onto all the heels, which looked great. Angle played it smart, avoiding dumb spots and staying safe while still getting the job done. Unfortunately Devon suffered an ankle injury off of the Dudleyville device, but I give him much credit as he gutted out the rest of the match. A PROFESSIONAL. AJ was making a comeback as we headed towards the finish, fought off Johnny Devine who ran in, had Angle laid out on a table and as he climbed the ladder Frank Trigg hit him with the kendo stick. This allowed Angle to get the slam off of the ladder through the table for the finish. AJ is protected here because he got fucked, and it works. In the end this was a completely wild match as it needed to be with the stipulation. They did good work of delivering there, as well as setting up 3D vs. Cage and Rhino as well as continuing Angle vs. AJ, as well as the Trigg factor. There were tons to enjoy here, especially if you are a fan of the gimmick and style. Good build, good work, and they had stuff to follow up on when they were done, this is a good way to kick things off.



9) (TNA FINAL RESOLUTION {January}) TNA NO-DQ WOMEN'S TITLE MATCH: Gail Kim © vs. Awesome Kong ***¾

We head to #9, and to the Knockouts! This was a time when the division was young, and they were clicking as they were building an under card of ladies, but had Kong and Kim on top, and that was some magic. The previous month was a great set up as they set up Kong as the monster, killing Knockouts, referees and anyone that got in her way. That match was a good match as well, and this was once again AWESOME and even better than the previous month. Kong attacked right away and they brawled on the floor and into the crowd. I saved my "TNA Main Event Style" joke, because this made sense for this match and the feud. They just played variations on the monster vs. resilient face formula, and I loved it because it fits so perfectly with these two. Kong once again snapped and KONG BOMBED Slick Johnson's shorts, she would get a chair and nail him with it. Kim would get the chair, lay into Kong three times to finally get her down and land the big top rope splash, another ref would run out, but she could only cover for a CLOSE 2, which got a sweet neat fall pop. After a chokeslam, Kong only got a 2-count again and went to KONG BOMB the official, but Kim would roll her up for the win. THIS WAS EXCELLENT. Best women's PPV match in years, easily. Some people have complained that this was bad booking, but I disagree. First of all, the match was great and the finish made sense due to the way Kong has continually acted since coming to TNA. Her insane anger cost her the bout, she lost focus, while Kim remained focused because she wanted to survive, and it all made sense. Gail Kim will be missed.



TIE - 7) (TNA FINAL RESOLUTION {January}) TNA WORLD TITLE MATCH: Kurt Angle © vs. Christian Cage **** and (TNA AGAINST ALL ODDS) TNA WORLD TITLE MATCH: Kurt Angle © vs. Christian Cage ****

I will admit it, I am copping out a bit here, but I feel that I have good reason. Early in 2008, Christian Cage and Kurt Angle were the set up feud for Joe vs. Angle. It was the set up because it was designed to strengthen Angle as he headed into war with Joe, and also to get Cage out of the main event scene. It kept Angle string because he won, but also hated because he won through nefarious means, which kept Cage strong, but also was enough to move him onto other things. I expected these to be very good matches, they have the history and the chemistry. Seriously, Cage and Angle work so damn well together, and I really loved these two matches. They were different enough that you can watch them back to back and not feel like you have seen a repeat, but I feel that they go together, like a book that has two distinctive parts to it. These matches had action was well thought out, everything they did was clean, it made sense and in my opinion were worthy of the PPV main event spot.



6) (TNA GLOBAL IMPACT) IWGP 3rd Generation Title Match: Kurt Angle © vs. Yuji Nagata ****

Before anyone starts to bust my balls, yes I realize that this was NOT a PPV, but, Global Impact was not just an Impact either. Shades of gray as Vinnie The Ru would say, but, I'LL ALLOW IT! The "TNA Global Impact" was something I was looking forward too, and the announcement of an Angle Nagata match certainly had my attention. While Angle had good 2007 matches, the sentiment around this time was that he was finished, broken down, and that he couldn't work a "straight wrestling match" to save his life. In my opinion, this match helped to dismiss that notion. Angle went to Japan, and in front of a very different crowd not only got over well, but also put on one hell of a wrestling match with Nagata. Yes the "IWGP 3rd Generation Title" had all kinds of bullshit surrounding it, and yes most didn't recognize it, but it added to Angle's character at the time and gave us THIS very match, and it is because of that that I have no ill feelings towards the IWGP 3rd Generation Title. Very simply this was an excellent wrestling match between two greats, and if you didn't grab the Global Impact DVD, you really should.



5) (TNA TURNING POINT) FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE: Kurt Angle vs. Abyss ****

The Highlight of the Turning Point PPV was this match right here. Abyss and Kurt Angle went out there and busted their asses for 18-minutes in a falls count anywhere match. Quite honestly I think if they could have went without some of the slow ass crowd brawling at the beginning that it could have been even better, but it was all building to the climax, so it served its purpose. The bottom line is that it delivered in my opinion, but also I think it all depends on if you like this style of match. If you do you likely loved this. It was a great match that had the crowd the whole way, maybe more than any match on the show did. Great heat, big moves, kick outs of all the big stuff and in the end Angle survives while defeating the monster, but also Abyss isn't hurt in the loss due to how it was booked. Abyss takes a lot of shit from people that say he can't work a lick without the PLUNDAH, but for the most part this was very light on it. Brawling, the chair, and that's about it. Abyss can bring it, and as I have mentioned, he and Angle have great chemistry and always seem to deliver no matter what style of match they work. Angle is a crazy fucker, but bless him, he always tries to steal the show, whether it is in his best interest or not.



4) (TNA BOUND FOR GLORY) Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Jarrett ****

For months they have been laying the foundation for the first ever Jeff Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle match. There were teases with the music, random guitars appearing, Jarrett finally coming back and then the sparring sessions on the mic all led to this. It went from "professional" to "personal" in the blink of an eye, Mick Foley was added to the picture and with all of that mixed together, there were a lot of expectations going into this match. In the roundtable before this very show I said, "I have high hopes for this match. Angle has quietly been having good matches all year, and Jarrett is criminally underrated in my opinion. I figure Foley has something to do with the ending, leading to an Angle vs. Foley match." Well, high hopes met, another great match from Angle, Jarrett delivers after a long absence, and Foley had something to do with the finish which likely still will lead to Foley vs. Angle. Sometimes I look like I know exactly what I am talking about! Excellent stuff here from a wrestling standpoint and this was my match of the night. Angle continued to prove himself here as he had another great match against another different opponent, and Jarrett continues to prove critics wrong. He gets a lot of flack and people have this idea that he can't work, which is as far from the truth as you can get. Sure a perfectly clean finish would have been perfect, but this was the first match and it had to lay the groundwork for what we are seeing right now.

PS: Hey Mick, dude, put up your hands. No one will think less of you.



3) (TNA HARD JUSTICE) LAST MAN STANDING MATCH: Kurt Angle vs. AJ Styles ****½

MORE OF THE KURT ANGLE SHOW! I was looking forward to this match more than any other this year. I have been a huge fan of AJ Styles for years and I always wanted a series of AJ vs. Angle matches. AJ styles has developed over the last 6-years into a great performer. Kurt Angle may be held together by superglue, duct tape and painkillers, and I think we can all agree that sanity left him a long while ago; but the fact is that the guy can still go and he always busts his ass in the ring. In my opinion that makes a lot to look forward too. They opted for the "Texas Death Match" rules here, pin or submission and then answer the 10-count. I prefer this format to the count when the man is down regular "Last Man Standing", as I think it allows for more drama. They worked a long match here, with the story that Angle didn't want the brawl to begin with and wanted to rely on his pure wrestling skills. AJ wanted to kill him, plain and simple. They worked a good pace for the opening segment, which went around 17:00. We got dives, brawling, hell Angle busted out a senton dive off of the stage; he seriously just doesn't care about his future, he just does things because he thinks he should. Styles took the first fall as he countered Angle going for a Styles Clash but AJ countered with the ankle lock and grapevine, and Angle tapped. Angle would respond with some quick pins and looked to dominate the match as the climax was them fighting to the top rope, and AJ getting a SICK DDT from the top. He pinned Angle and as the ref counted commentary did a good job of playing up Angle's neck issues, and he could not answer the count. Styles got a decisive victory here with no help, there were no run ins, no Karen and it was exactly what it should have been. It's amazing what happens when you throw two great performers out there and let them wrestle.



2) (TNA VICTORY ROAD) (World X Cup Semifinal Elimination Tag Match) Curry Man, Alex Shelly and Chris Sabin vs. Puma, Yoshino and Milano Collection AT vs. Rey Bucanero, Averno and Ultimo Guerrero vs. Williams, Dux and Kozlov ****½

I have to say that the opener of Victory Road gives me the chance to use one of my favorite words, that being scintillating. This is also exactly what TNA NEEDS to showcase more often to show that they provide something different, you know, an alternative? It was different, fresh and just fucking awesome. I thought they would do a gauntlet, but they did single elimination rules here, which I liked. In theory if your whole team survived, you would win all the points and lock up the entire thing, that being the X-Cup.. That's a cool dynamic. After a little roughness early, due to all the guys in there, which could have been a train wreck, things picked up and the match was total non-stop action (sorry) and completely awesome. I was worried that they may have trouble keeping the crowd, due to fans not knowing a lot of the guys, but they pulled the people in and made them care, made them chant and kept them the entire time, which was an accomplishment in and of its self. The main story was that Team Japan members Milano Collection AT and Puma got eliminated very early in the bout and Yoshino had to survive on his own, and he did, making it to the final two men. He and Alex Shelley had a great segment, longer than TNA usually goes for these kind of matches, and in the end Shelley got the big win, and Yoshino was treated like a star. Seriously, they could have brought him back and he would have been treated like a star by the fans and been a top X-Division guy, if they actually pushed the X-Division anymore. The match was simply awesome and a highlight of not only this PPV, but an overall highlight of the company for the year. I also have to mention that Averno, Bucanero and Guerrero all were great in the match, not only as far as wrestling goes, but as far as their characters go. I really wish those guys could be back more often.



1) (TNA LOCKDOWN) TNA WORLD TITLE MATCH: Kurt Angle © vs. Samoa Joe ****½

The first thing I want to say that I am far from the only person that gave the match a high rating. I know that the match is pretty controversial as far as ratings go. I have seen anywhere from **½ to ***½ (411's JD Dunn) and even as high as the full Monty of *****. No way do I feel that it was a perfect ***** affair, but I do think it was great. Secondly, I feel that most people that disliked the match went in wanting to hate it due to the MMA theme and likely hate MMA itself. Not all, but a good portion. Which is fine, it all comes down to personal preference and I personally loved the match. If you didn't cool, if you bought it and were disappointed, cool. I never said you didn't have the right. This is one of those matches that people will either love or hate. Again, "I FEEL" that this was great. TNA is often bashed on for not living up to their claim to be an alternative. On this night they did something different, something out of the box and it was great. The first 6-minutes or so was almost exclusively MMA work. Angle came out as promised dressed for battle. MMA shorts, taped hands and ankles and was set to fight. Joe already works leg kicks and strikes and that is what they worked early and it worked. Angle would try takedowns, go for a mount and drop hard punches. They then slowly worked into more of a pro wrestling match, which they did at the right time. These guys took a risk, they could have done the usual match and played it safe, but they took a risk and it paid off. The realism, the psychology, it clicked and it worked to me. People were popping for the rope breaks, the submissions and I just loved it. Plain and simple. Some people are blowing the small "boring chant" out of proportion, saying that it was due to the MMA theme. That happened during a figure four spot that went a bit long. That has nothing to do with MMA. The match built very well all the way to the ending, and the crescendo was the Joe win, which has been in the works forever. Back when I reviewed the ROH Man Up PPV, and the Danielson match I said, "They worked the story, they worked the eye, they worked the MMA stuff and it all worked in the end. This is very fresh and exciting stuff to watch because it is so different from everything else on PPV." Well Joe vs. Angle went that route and it worked just as well. While ROH has worked MMA themes before, WWE and or TNA haven't, which again was taking a risk. We also got a CLEAN FINISH IN A TNA MAIN EVENT! That is an important thing to mention again. I also love the fact that they only used the cage ONE TIME, and it MEANT SOMETHING at the finish. So great. This match came off as a BIG TIME main event, it was pushed as such, and it delivered. Something TNA has not done well in their short life. In the end, everything about this was what was right about TNA, which is so nice to say. Also, the built for it all worked so well that this PPV was scored the highest TNA buy rate of the year. It's amazing what happens when you do a proper build and pay it off in the end.



~PPV Stand Outs and PPV MVP~


  • AJ Styles – 2 Matches in the Top 10
  • Christian Cage - 3 Matches in the Top 10

  • TNA PPV MVP for 2008: Kurt Angle – 8 Matches in the Top 10! There was no question who the TNA PPV MVP of the year was, hell, the man is the overall TNA MVP of the year. I have been saying this for what seems like months, Angle has been completely forgotten in 2008, and that is a shame. Angle had had one hell of a year as far as great matches, in my opinion, and did so with a variety of opponents. Jeff Jarrett, AJ Styles, Abyss, Nagata, Samoa Joe, and Christian Cage. A very diverse set of opponents, yet they all provided great matches. Plus when you add in the very good promo work he has done, the formation of the Main Event Mafia and flat out, Kurt Angle had been the man in TNA. I understand that Edge, HBK, Jericho, Nigel and Tyler Black have all had great years, but I do think it is a crime that Angle is completely left out of the "Wrestler of the Year" discussion.


  • Stay tuned for My Top 10 WWE PPV Matches of 2008, as well as the Top 15 PPV MATCHES of the year!


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    Great list agree with everything here, I think Angles performance has improved since hes been in TNA, I loved the Turning Point match.

    Posted By: sega (Guest)  on January 02, 2009 at 11:11 PM

     
     
    WOW such great matches of the year. My favorite was the X Cup match now that was Match of The Year for me. Also it's true on how Kurt Angle refuses to have a bad match as him vs anyone are 4-5 stars material. Hell the guy himself was in most of the list. Great work TNA. Looking forward to 2009.

    Posted By: THEHAVOK (Guest)  on January 02, 2009 at 11:35 PM

     
     
    I agree with all the matches, but I think Team Cage vs. Team Tomko was way awesome, and should be in the top 5. I'M JUST SAYIN'

    Posted By: Z-Mc08 (Guest)  on January 02, 2009 at 11:55 PM

     
     
    Very good list, Csonka knows his TNA.

    Posted By: Guest#7611 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:12 AM

     
     
    Kurt Angle vs Abyss should have been higher imo.

    Posted By: Tom (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:14 AM

     
     
    wow, i dont follow tna, but kurt angle in 7 out of the 10. *starts youtubing*

    Posted By: city (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:15 AM

     
     
    I mostly agree with this list other than Joe/Angle. I liked their second match best and I didn't care for the MMA stuff at Lockdown even though I thought it did get better towards the end.

    7 out of 10 of these matches involved Kurt Angle. TNA is screwed once he leaves as far as match quality goes.


    Posted By: Anonymous (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:21 AM

     
     
    "7 out of 10 of these matches involved Kurt Angle. TNA is screwed once he leaves as far as match quality goes."

    Not at all.

    TNA have loads of guys who can have great matches, Kurt has been the focus of the show for most of 2008 so it's no surprised that he dominates this list.


    Posted By: Guest#9643 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:29 AM

     
     
    I hope we get some great X-Division matches in 2009, with Sabin or Shelley as X-Division Champion there's no excuses.

    Posted By: Guest#4809 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:32 AM

     
     
    Look again, Kurt is in *8* of the 10.. ANGLE = WRESTLING

    Posted By: poffo316 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:37 AM

     
     
    Worked MMA as the match of the year for TNA? yup sounds about right. LOL TNA

    Posted By: Guest#2180 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:46 AM

     
     
    Number 2 really? To me all it was, was a blur of spots. I most overdosed in the first 10 minutes from all the spots. Nice list though, Kurt Angle, even with a broken down body, still the finest worker in mainsteam wrestling.

    Posted By: DP (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:55 AM

     
     
    I still don't get people poo pooing on the Lockdown match. The serious build for it was excellent. And the match's use of "MMA" was nothing more than a more realistic modern way of doing the classic "feeling out process". Midway through the match Joe hits a clothesline that makes the crowd go NUTS. It was a nice clothesline...but it was also far less dangerous a move than what TNA had just done the match previous. THAT is the genius of the Lockdown match. They were able to pull people back from guys on top of ladders on the roof of cages and get the pop of the night out of a clothesline.

    I loved that match and everything about it. I wish TNA wouldn't have abandoned the concepts that made the match so great so quickly. When I watched it I fealt like it was the first thing I'd seen a major promotion do that fealt new...and it fealt like the logical progression that Pro Wrestling SHOULD look like now.


    Posted By: Guest#0902 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:03 AM

     
     
    Kurt Angle really was the most under-apprecited star this year as you've argued elsehwere Larry. This list proves it. What a year Kurt had. This run he had may rival Triple H's 2000 run in terms of consistency and quality of matches.

    Angle is still the man. **Bows Down**


    Posted By: Brian (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:33 AM

     
     
    Angle does desever to be wrestler of the year.

    Posted By: Lino C. (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 03:10 AM

     
     
    So if both Christian and Angle leave TNA in 2009, what happens to TNA? Is there any why the company can get worse? A cold chill just went up my spine.

    Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 06:50 AM

     
     
    Angle is the greatest.

    The best TNA has to offer by far. He deserves all those spots in the top ten


    Posted By: TNA (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 07:47 AM

     
     
    IT'S TRUE !

    Angle = TNA .

    He's so crazy that he could actually be one of the all-time greats.


    Posted By: AJ (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 08:04 AM

     
     
    "Worked MMA" is a redundancy. Just ask Kimbo Slice.

    Posted By: poffo316 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 08:12 AM

     
     
    great list.
    I would of put the x cup tag match at no 1, but angle vs Joe was an amazing match as well


    Posted By: flyt (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 08:43 AM

     
     
    I can no longer stand to watch the TNA product on weekly TV. But I have had to buy the Cross the Line 3-Pack purely for the X Cup matches (which were a fantastic memory of classic TNA) and the Kurt Angle DVD due to it being true that he has so many great matches.

    With the new Angle DVD, I only wish they had put the 2 Angle vs Cage matches on from the start of the year as now I have to decide whether it's worth me shelling out for Final Resolution and Against All Odds 08 just for those matches. Not sure it's worth it.

    All these matches on this list again make me sad that TNA seemingly can't see how much AMAZING talent they have right there which mostly gets overlooked and underused. What's even more baffling is that when they do get it right once in a blue moon and everyone raves....they ignore it and go straight back to bullshit booking again.

    The Lockdown build-up and main event was a huge step forward. They actually for once managed to do something that even the WWE don't do. TNA could have taken that direction and truly done something innovative and new. But guess what...they squander it again AND book Joe into a nobody at the same time afterwards.

    I have the slimmest of hopes that this whole MEM angle finishes up with the old guard finally winding down into retirement and the new guys and TNA legends like Styles & Daniels take us back into the real TNA of old. I can't get my hopes up as I've had hopes of TNA getting going so many times now and been burned so much that I have little faith in it happening. But I do have that incredibly slim hope for this year in the back of my mind.

    The scary thing to me is that them going back to 2005 style TNA is such an appealing thing. Yes going BACK 4 years. Amazing no? Imagine a TNA with Styles, Daniels, Joe, Lethal, Storm, Williams and others at the forefront though? Also Young is talented, Kaz is talented, Creed looks decent. They could achieve so much and have a truly innovative and fresh product to lead us into a new wrestling era if only they realised what they have right in front of their noses.

    Of course it's still TNA at the end of the day, so it'll either never happen or it will be overbooked into oblivion.

    A man can dream.


    Posted By: Col (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 09:07 AM

     
     
    "TNA have loads of guys who can have great matches, Kurt has been the focus of the show for most of 2008 so it's no surprised that he dominates this list."

    "Can" is the key word. Angle has had great matches. I can understand if you think that some other talent will step up in Angle's absence because they have tons of great talent. I don't know of anyone who has the mic skills of Angle in TNA though.


    Posted By: Anonymous (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 09:42 AM

     
     
    Other than Foley of course.

    Posted By: Anonymous (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 09:42 AM

     
     
    so angle is in 8 of the top ten tna matches? if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make any noise?

    Posted By: guy (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 10:24 AM

     
     
    "Look again, Kurt is in *8* of the 10.. ANGLE = WRESTLING

    Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on January 03, 2009 at 12:37 AM"

    Technically he's in 8 of 11 matches since #7 is a tie between two Angle vs Cage matches.


    Posted By: JO (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 10:42 AM

     
     
    Let's hope we get to see a list of the top TV matches of 2008

    Posted By: JY (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 11:47 AM

     
     
    Great list Larry.

    Angle is still the man, TNA would be pretty fucked (though not finished) without him IMO.


    Posted By: Bubba (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 12:13 PM

     
     
    KURT ANGLE = WRESTLER OF THE DECADE
    THE GUY'S FUCKING AWESOME. X CUP SHOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER 1 THOUGH.


    Posted By: technicalwrestlersrule (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:05 PM

     
     
    Wow a good list unlike JD's who refused to watch half of the ppvs thus killing the credibility of his list. Great job Larry.

    Posted By: Paul E (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:25 PM

     
     
    See this is the alternative to WWE because most of the WWEs best matches were kick and punching contests like the highly overrated Edge/UT WM match or just "were too emotional" like Flair/HBK. I will take these matches where there was actual wrestling involved and yes some MMA to the WWE tool who said that summed up yeah I hate to break this to the tools wrestling is one form of MMA I know they used other styles in that match yeah it helps to not look stupid.

    Posted By: Guest#5536 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:30 PM

     
     
    "unlike JD's who refused to watch half of the ppvs"

    I didn't refuse. Just didn't have time.


    Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on January 03, 2009 at 01:54 PM

     
     
    No, TNA does not "have loads of guys who can have great matches", they have 1. This has been proved

    Posted By: Guest#0502 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 03:25 PM

     
     
    Re: Guest#5536.

    It's cute when people judge matches by the MOVEZ~!!! and not by the story. Just go watch highlight videos on YouTube of some spotty indy hack who'll be forgotten in six months.


    Posted By: Guest#1152 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 05:33 PM

     
     
    so angle is in 8 of the top ten tna matches? if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make any noise?

    Posted By: guy (Guest) on January 03, 2009 at 10:24 AM
    If you dropp dead and nobody cares doees it really matter? Don't answer everyone already knows it.


    Posted By: Guest#4480 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 06:23 PM

     
     
    No, TNA does not "have loads of guys who can have great matches", they have 1. This has been proved

    Posted By: Guest#0502 (Guest) on January 03, 2009 at 03:25 PM

    are u crazy? TNA has the most talented roster of the major companies. Kurt angle is in so many matches of the top 10 because the guy is just that great at what he does. This was a good list, not many complaints from me at all other than I thought the world cup match was the best BUT I could see you going with Joe/Angle.


    Posted By: cj (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 06:26 PM

     
     
    No, TNA does not "have loads of guys who can have great matches", they have 1. This has been proved

    Posted By: Guest#0502 (Guest) on January 03, 2009 at 03:25 PM

    It has? So you're saying Joe, A.J, Daniels, Abyss, Sting, Jarrett, Sabin, Shelley, Petey Williams, Jay Lethal, Beer Money and L A X haven't and can't have great matches? I think you are competely lost.


    Posted By: graves9 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 06:27 PM

     
     
    I love how the WWETards when Angle left the WWE all you heard is he's done he's got nothing left now that the WWE wants him back it's he's the only good wrestler in TNA and when he leaves they're dead whatever tarts.

    Posted By: WWE Universe sucks (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 06:35 PM

     
     
    I don't watch much TNA nowadays for obvious reasons, but it's clear that Kurt Angle is STILL the man. Is is it any wonder that I just YouTube Kurt's big matches and ignore 90% of the other TNA stuff?

    But that X Cup match...meh....I guess it's just not my style of wrestling anymore. I honestly forgot about it right after I saw it. Very surprised to see it ranked so highly on Csonka's (and some other people's) lists.


    Posted By: Guest#2235 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 08:51 PM

     
     
    First of all I would like to thank you all for reading. I am very pleased so many have enjoyed the list.

    A few things:

    - Unfortunately I will not be doing a “Top TV Matches” column for WWE or TNA. I just never kept track well enough to do either column justice (as far as cataloguing them).

    - The X-Cup tag I felt was awesome. If you look at the list, you have a variety of matches. Hardcore, technical wrestling, brawling, MMA influenced, and the X-Cup match is what I like to call an “exhibition match,” in that it showed off the abilities of the guys very well. For those that call it a straight spotfest, I disagree, as I mentioned, the story of Doi’s survival and near victory was awesome, and made him (as far as American audiences go.)

    - For those that thought the match should be #1, that’s your opinion and I would ever argue that. As I said in the opening, “Some matches will have the same rating, but will be separated by the importance of the match and or how it helped the performer or performers as far as their careers go.” Joe vs. Angle and the X-Cup had the same rating, as well as AJ vs. Angle. The X-Cup has way more replay value for me over AJ vs. Angle, and Angle vs. Joe was way more important due to the title change, great build, payoff and the buy rate it did. Although again, either of those three matches could be #1 for me on any given day.

    - For those that said that Angle vs. Abyss should be higher, I would agree if the beginning portion wasn’t so slow, it hurt the match a bit in my opinion, but it was excellent stuff.

    - For those bashing Dunn and his list, it is just that, his list. Of course you have the right to disagree, but do so politely. Sure I disagreed with there being NO TNA matches in the top 10,but that is his list, and he has the right to his opinion.

    Thanks again all!


    Posted By: Larry Csonka (Registered)  on January 03, 2009 at 10:08 PM

     
     
    Fuck that noise, Doi was MADE two and half years ago when he was a key component in the 2006 Match of the Year.

    ROH fans already knew all about Doi, and Yoshino as well.


    Posted By: Guest#3330 (Guest)  on January 03, 2009 at 11:12 PM

     
     
    "It has? So you're saying Joe, A.J, Daniels, Abyss, Sting, Jarrett, Sabin, Shelley, Petey Williams, Jay Lethal, Beer Money and L A X haven't and can't have great matches? I think you are competely lost. "

    Really? Let's take a look at the Top 10 list again. Let's look at how many great matches on that list feature all those "great" workers you mentioned. thought so


    Posted By: Guest#3492 (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 06:33 AM

     
     
    "I love how the WWETards when Angle left the WWE all you heard is he's done he's got nothing left now that the WWE wants him back it's he's the only good wrestler in TNA and when he leaves they're dead whatever tarts. "

    I love how TNA fanboys post absolute garbage which makes them look stupid...and 9


    Posted By: Guest#2589 (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 06:37 AM

     
     
    Kim vs Kong was great but I thought Kong v OBD vs Kim was better

    Posted By: Sev (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 11:17 AM

     
     
    Really? Let's take a look at the Top 10 list again. Let's look at how many great matches on that list feature all those "great" workers you mentioned. thought so

    Posted By: Guest#3492 (Guest) on January 04, 2009 at 06:33 AM
    Again all the guys I mentioned have had fantastic matches and have made plenty of top ten lists over the years. Angle's year just outshined pretty much everyone in Wrestling. Look at the WWE list it has Shawn Michaels all over the place as well as Jericho. TNA's young wrestlers have far more potential to step up vs their WWE counterparts(espicially the terrible 2nd generation wrestlers)


    Posted By: graves9 (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 07:22 PM

     
     
    I love how TNA fanboys post absolute garbage which makes them look stupid...and 9

    Posted By: Guest#2589 (Guest) on January 04, 2009 at 06:37 AM

    So you're saying the WWETards didn't shit on Angle when he left? Now that the McMahon's want him back he's great again?


    Posted By: wwe universe sucks (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 07:28 PM

     
     
    Angle vs Joe at Lockdown sucked, period.

    Posted By: Burt Price (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 08:58 PM

     
     
    TNA doesn't get any better, but it keeps getting better!!The performers and their moves in the ringside are just awsome. I have never seen anyone like AJ Styles. Rey Mysterio comes the closest where high moves are and the speed. concerned. Mick Foley is "GOD". He proved that last week when he got involved with the Main Event Mafia. He cleaned house. Go TNA!!

    Posted By: Billy Jack (Guest)  on January 04, 2009 at 10:46 PM

     
     
    Angle vs Joe at Lockdown sucked, period.

    Posted By: Burt Price (Guest) on January 04, 2009 at 08:58 PM

    Ten bucks says you didn't even see the match. Oh yeah but you are an expert in sucking so you must be right.


    Posted By: Guest#8307 (Guest)  on January 05, 2009 at 02:32 AM

     
     
    Angle vs Joe at Lockdown sucked, period.

    Posted By: Burt Price (Guest) on January 04, 2009 at 08:58 PM

    If you wanna see a match that sucked go watch HBK Vs Flair at Wrestlemania, now that match sucked.


    Posted By: Guest#5008 (Guest)  on January 05, 2009 at 02:36 AM

     
     
    "Ten bucks says you didn't even see the match. Oh yeah but you are an expert in sucking so you must be right. "

    Nope, I saw the match. And it sucked. A LOT of people agree with me.

    I don't understand how this match is good, but the AJ-Trigg wasn't.


    Posted By: Burt Price (Guest)  on January 05, 2009 at 08:19 AM

     
     
    "If you wanna see a match that sucked go watch HBK Vs Flair at Wrestlemania, now that match sucked. "

    They're not even the same. The WM match had drama, emotion, entertainment and the most important of all, wasn't boring!


    Posted By: Burt Price (Guest)  on January 05, 2009 at 08:22 AM

     
     
    just realised theres only 9 matches here (well ten but ones a tie) - but wheres no 8

    Posted By: steve (Guest)  on January 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM

     


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