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If I Could Be Serious For A Moment 02.17.09: Oh No You're Not
Posted by Chris Lansdell on 02.17.2009



Greetings, humanity! Thank you for joining me for If I Could Be Serious For A Moment, your weekly dose of intelligent wrestling discourse. Having spent a week looking at 8 weeks of comments, I'm raring to go with this week's topic. There will be another commentfest after the next 8 weeks, but for the meantime…

BANNER!


Fanning the Flames


Are you a wrestling fan? Chances are that if you're reading this, you will answer "yes". It's also a fairly safe bet that you'd be wrong. True wrestling fans are few and far between these days, even among the writers on this site, and that's a sad situation. "Oh shut up Lansdell!" comes the cry. "How can you say I'm not a fan? I've watched every Lance Storm match in every promotion!" "I'm a wrestling fan, I've been watching WWE religiously since Austin was The Ringmaster!" "Of course I'm a fan, I watch puro all the time! No real fan watches that WWE crap." Allow me to point out the delicious tautology in these exclamations.

Everywhere you go, I'll follow you down

So, you love Lance Storm. You're such a huge fan that you even bought 3 RoH DVDs and sought out rare tapes of Stampede and Cornette's old fed to see him in action. You have his site on your RSS feed and you bought Jericho's book just because Lance Storm was mentioned in it. The screensaver on your phone is a picture of you and him at an RoH show in Toronto (no joke, that's actually my screensaver…), and you have 4 different autographed 8x10s of him on your wall. You won't watch much these days since he's retired. A little spooky maybe, dedicated certainly, but it doesn't make you a wrestling fan. It makes you a Lance Storm fan.

While in high school I started watching basketball. I was instantly drawn to Charles Barkley, more for his attitude and personality than his play. I became a Phoenix Suns fan, but when he got traded I started cheering for the Rockets. Same situation: I wasn't a Suns fan, a Rockets fan or even a basketball fan in particular; I was a Barkley fan. Still am, but now I am also a Raptors fan. I couldn't (and very rarely can now) watch extended periods of games not involving the person/team I liked, with the exception of the playoffs.

It is possible to be a fan of one wrestler and a fan of wrestling, but many people today are fans of certain wrestlers and will not watch anything he's not on. Listen to the screaming Cena fans and ask yourself how many of them would still show up if Cena wasn't there.

A real company fan

So, you've been watching WWE since Austin was The Ringmaster. Excellent. Over 10 years of fandom, countless hours of TV and over a hundred pay per views. One shudders to calculate how much that's cost you. That makes you a wrestling fan right? Wrong. It barely qualifies as a WWF/E fan.

Loving one promotion is not loving wrestling, no more than loving college basketball is the same as loving all basketball. This particular phenomenon is often exacerbated by a deep-seated need to bash all wrestling that isn't of your chosen promotion. Don't believe me? Read some of the comments on this site. WWE news items or TV reports are invaded by TNA fans and WWE haters, and vice versa. RoH fans act all superior to both and consequently get shat on by both.

Compare this with a friend of mine who considers himself a massive hockey fan. Such a massive fan, in fact, that he will watch Montreal Canadiens games in French, despite not speaking a word of the language. The thing is, he won't watch any other teams. If Montreal isn't playing, then hockey might as well not be happening.

There is a school of thought that says this person doesn't even count as a WWF/E fan. There's no question that this person has seen some of the best storylines and North American wrestling in the past 10 years, but what about everything that came before? Would a real WWF/E fan not try and get hold of older stuff, to learn the history? How can anyone consider themselves a WWF/E fan without having seen the Hogan years, which arguably made the company? Or the New Generation years, which came closer to killing it than anything else? It's a strong argument, especially with the changes in professional wrestling in that time frame. Even TNA and RoH, despite being around for only 6 years, have changed significantly. TNA has switched emphasis to established stars, while RoH has gone to a more entertainment-based style.

People who are fans of promotions and who will not search out older shows often shy away from watching these events because they already know how things will turn out. Why should I watch a Brian Danielson title match when I know he doesn't lose? This also points to not being a wrestling fan. The result of a match is only part of the quality of that match. Certainly a bad finish or result can hurt a match, but it can't completely negate everything that went before.

Wrestling in its Puro form

So, you watch puro? WWE and TNA are garbage so you can't watch them; real wrestling doesn't need storylines or backstage segments or interviews. That makes you a wrestling fan, surely.

Actually, it's the wrestling equivalent of racism. If Hitler were a smark, he would have written Mein Catch Strong Style. That might be a bit strong, but the general idea is there. The belief that Japanese wrestling is superior purely because it's Japanese wrestling is snobbery in its highest form, especially if this belief comes at the exclusion of other wrestling. Now I love me some good King's Road or strong style action, but I also enjoy watching Australian indies for crying out loud. It also doesn't mean that I think anything else is garbage. Dismissing any type of wrestling out of hand is a sure sign that you're not a wrestling fan, you're a fan of Japanese wrestling, or lucha, or sports entertainment.

I'm sure we've all come across people (*cough* Meltzer *cough*) who think that no match can reach five stars unless it has Japanese people involved in it. There are also people who will overrate a match based on the same condition. Not only does this call your fandom into question, it also does a disservice to other wrestlers who give their all to entertain you, but happen to have been born elsewhere. That's without even discussing the fact that all wrestling promotions have their share of crap, something often overlooked by the rabid fans of puro and lucha. For every Kobashi five-star classic there's a tag match where the average age of the participants is 45. For every junior heavyweight spotfest there's a woman in dominatrix gear being impregnated by Muta's mist and giving birth to Akebono. You get the idea: there's shit everywhere. Watching the shit on the off chance that something special happens, not matter where it comes from, makes you a fan.

Fulfil your fan-tasy

Now that we know what a fan isn't, how about we look at what a fan is? To be considered a true wrestling fan, we've seen that it's not enough to watch one promotion faithfully, or follow one wrestler, or one type of wrestling. It's like drinking Pinot Noir and saying you like wine. Unless you've tried it all, you can't say you like it all or even dislike it all. There's a good one to throw at your friends/parents/significant others the next time they tell you they hate wrestling.

To me the key to being a true wrestling fan is in variety. A true wrestling fan will watch wrestling whenever and wherever possible, not necessarily to the exclusion of all else but to the extent that their wrestling viewing is not solely based on one person, promotion or country. That's not to say you have to like everything you see, but at least see it before you determine you don't like it. Try watching some puro, some joshi, some indies. Give TNA a try, you might like it. YouTube is your friend, check out some old matches or lesser-known wrestlers and pick out where they went wrong. Try it all, my friends. Not all wrestling is created equal. There will be stuff you don't like, but at least you can say you tried. The worst that can happen is that you will see bad wrestling, which will make you appreciate good wrestling all the more.

By expanding your horizons, you will increase your knowledge base. Not every wrestling fan needs to be a walking trivia database, but I don't know how anyone can call themselves a fan and not know that Pat Patterson was the first Intercontinental champion, or that Ultimo Dragon is one of the greatest cruiserweights to ever step between the ropes. If you are a fan of something, you should naturally want to know more about it, more than is immediately available. It's not hard to find wrestling DVDs, or even to read wrestling websites. Putting in that little extra effort makes the difference between being a wrestling fan and being a casual viewer, or a WWE/TNA fan.

Wrestling these days is so much more than just the shows. A wrestling fan supports the companies by buying merchandise, ordering the odd PPV, visiting their web sites and recommending them to people that would like them. If you've watched lucha and are not fond of it, but you know people who love Rey Misterio, suggest they check out CMLL or AAA. It's not hard. Smaller companies rely on word of mouth to succeed, and the success of Indy feds directly contributes to the success of bigger ones by making the upcoming talent more experienced.

One other thing that is absolutely required: dedication. Is the idea of missing Raw as abhorrent? Have you continued watching shows after they jumped the shark, just in case they turn it around? Do you plan around wrestling events? Is anything more important than WrestleMania Sunday? Are you adding HDNet as soon as RoH hits it? Do you watch Galavision (or whatever the Mexican channel is) JUST for lucha? These are all signs of fandom. Sure you might not go that far, but you can't be a true wrestling fan if wrestling is only something you watch every now and then.

What about me? What about Lansdell?

So am I a wrestling fan? I'm here on my high horse, telling you that you're probably not a wrestling fan, but can I say any different for me? Well, not really. I do not watch lucha, cannot stand it and likely never will. I have very, VERY limited knowledge of anyone involved in it, and this is despite speaking Spanish. It just looks so fake and even more staged than anything WWE or TNA put out. I'll watch almost anything else but I draw the line there.

I also don't buy much merchandise. Part of that is because shipping costs to Canada are high, but it's mostly because I'm stingy. I do buy DVDs, but I have so many still in the cellophane that I've even stopped doing that recently. I literally have dozens of DVDs waiting to be reviewed. (Note to The Boss: Later this week. Promise.) Up until recently, I would not miss Raw, Impact, Smackdown or any other wrestling I could find. Now I will quite happily watch basketball or any number of other things instead.

So no, I guess I'm not a true wrestling fan. I have wide-ranging tastes, but there's just some stuff I'll never care about, and I'm OK with that. At least I've tried it and I know what I like. There is so much more to wrestling than what's available on free TV and until you've explored it, you don't know wrestling.

A word on The K-Money Phenomenon

Every week, Jeremy Thomas runs the Wrestler of the Week feature, where 411 writers vote for their top 5 performers of the week. The votes are tabulated and a weekly winner is announced. These votes are also tracked and each year around WrestleMania we announce the wrestler of the year. This column generates some vicious feedback, partly because it's subjective and that sort of thing always does, but partly because some writers prefer to vote for happenings that might otherwise be missed. It got to the point that Ari Berenstein polled all the writers to get their voting criteria, and posted a companion column to show how we voted. It helped, but there was still a very vocal minority who lambasted any first-place vote for anyone outside TNA and WWE. The most vocal (and fastest to comment, normally) of these was and is K-Money. According to this perfect example of a non-fan, nothing that happens in an Indy can possibly be as important as something that happens on national TV, because 800 people see it as opposed to 18,000. He is normally both reviled and adored by various other commenters on the column. His favourite targets are Berman, Byers and Bauer, the Three Bs if you will, because of all the writers they pay the most attention to foreign and independent goings-on.

Mr Money has a point. HHH winning a world title is generally more impactful on the wrestling world than Mike Quackenbush winning the NWA Junior Heavyweight belt, or even Bryan Danielson beating Nigel McGuinness. As much as many of us love ROH, CHIKARA, NOAH or what have you, they don't have the global reach and significance of WWE and possibly not even TNA. Why then should we give more weight to their accomplishments?

The answer lies in the companion column. Some of us feel that the non-kayfabe significance of a win to a person's career is more important than the number of people who saw it. When HHH wins his 13th title, is it really significant to his career any more? Is it more significant than say, Tyler Black winning his FIRST title? This ties in to the question of what makes a fan: being able to put things in perspective. Sure the size of the audience is relevant, and if Nigel and HHH both defend their title then HHH should probably win out, but things are rarely that even. The problem with K-Money is that he refuses to acknowledge that any other wrestling exists. Anything below TNA might as well be in a high school gym in front of 30 people. This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about in this column

Despite the varied voting habits of the writers, we normally get the end result right. When CM Punk one the title on Raw, he was a unanimous choice. The Wrestler of the Year winners have all been nearly impossible to argue with, and if Jericho wins this year (it's looking pretty damn certain), it'll be another correct result.

Moment over.



  • So, Edge beat the hell out of Kofi and took his place in the Raw Elimination Chamber. Good thing that policy doesn't exist everywhere, or Arnie might beat up the next Republican nominee and run for President.

  • You put your Mickey Rourke in, you take your Mickey Rourke out, you shake up WrestleMania and you jerk your fans about. I can guarantee you that not ONE person who fantasy-booked a WrestleMania card after the Rumble is still batting 1.000 with their predictions. For what it's worth, I reckon we'll still get Rourke wrestling.

  • The fan altercation in Victoria between Jericho and a woman is a work. He's going to cut a promo on Steve Austin saying that Austin should watch the tape to learn how it SHOULD be done.

  • I don't do dream matches, I don't fantasy book, but I would LOVE to see Beer Money vs Miz and Morrison. While I'm on the topic, why doesn't WWE give their teams names any more?

  • Tyson Kidd? Will his partner be Billy the Tomko? Nice debut though.

  • Christian's remixed theme = NUMEROUS PURCHASES~! On the same topic, I will probably buy the new WWE music CD just for Randy Orton's theme.

  • Don't look now, but it's been a long time since anyone was suspended for Wellness…

  • Remember that news story about Vince demanding that DH Smith be brought up to the main roster ASAP? Boy he sure looks good on…ummm…what show is he on again?

  • Matt Morgan…Hernandez…Abyss…Brutus Magnus…Kong…TNA is stacked with big men who can really wrestle. WWE? Not so much.

  • Reading Elijah Burke's interview this weekend, I realised just how much great talent the WWE have thrown away. This guy could have been BIG.

  • Michael Weyer consistently puts out a great column every week. Check it out.

    *SPOILER ALERT! READ NO FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT READ ABOUT THURSDAY'S IMPACT!*

  • If anyone has a clue what TNA are doing with their roster, would they be so kind as to let me know? You keep BG James, who's done nothing in months, but release Petey Williams and Eric Young who have both done everything that was asked of them and shone while doing it?

    That's it for me folks. Join me next week when I look at starting a promotion with the unsigned talent available right now, and the mistakes to avoid. Until then Stay Cool, Rock Hard.

    Lansdellicious – Out.


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    Perfect column

    Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:04 PM

     
     
    Terrific article Chris. As an avid fan of Chikara, PWG, Dragon Gate, AAA, ROH, HUSTLE, WWE and all other things that take place in a squared (or 6 sided circle.)I get really tired of guys bashing ROH or WWE or TNA or puro or whatever all these negative, close-minded individuals decide to trash each week. I enjoy wrestling in all it's forms and am glad you wrote this article. It's too bad there aren't more wrestling fans who are actually open to broadening their horizons when it comes to wrestling in all its forms. Now cue all the guys saying "why should we care about some indy fed that only draws 50 people?" or "who cares what happens overseas? Triple H rulez!" Well done, sir, well done.

    Posted By: massdestraction (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:08 PM

     
     
    Loved the Yinling reference by the way. You can't say that shit wasn't sports entertainment at its finest.

    Posted By: massdestraction (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:10 PM

     
     
    Eric Young has not been released, to my knowledge. He was in the fired match with Petey, but I think since Petey was pinned he is the only one to leave.

    Posted By: Todd Vote (Registered)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:13 PM

     
     
    "there's a woman in dominatrix gear being impregnated by Muta's mist and giving birth to Akebono."

    Did this really happen? Tell me how I can see this!

    Also, I consider myself a big fan of horror movies but I don't like "torture porn" and won't watch anything like Saw or Hostel again because they don't appeal to me. Guess I'm not really a horror fan then.

    Your argument is intriguing but has many holes.

    Also, NOTHING that happens in the Indies is nearly as important as anything that happens on TV. I was at a local indy last month where a local school teacher won a title in front of about 100 people, many of which were his students (young children). It wasn't important to anyone but those kids. Maybe that's all that matters in this case but Tyson Kidd beating some jobber on ECW means infinitely more.


    Posted By: JTX (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:28 PM

     
     
    It happened in the Japanese promotion HUSTLE in 2007, I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQLLCh9s6qk That link should work. If you dig that check out HUSTLE. They have some wild stuff.

    Posted By: massdestraction (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:40 PM

     
     
    I'm a fan of classic wrestling, I am a casual observer of the current product. I haven't tuned into a single show WWE/TNA and not tuned out without a bad taste in my mouth in many years. If I wanted a soap opera I would watch a soap opera. I like some of the stuff I see on youtube, but a lot of the Indy/RoH stuff just seems like spotfests.

    Just wanted to say that although I have a collection of DVD's and check wrestling websites regularly, I am happy that I am being honest when I tell people that I am not a wrestling fan.


    Posted By: Piledriver (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:50 PM

     
     
    @JTX:
    You need to define important. Cena or Jarrett winning the title yet again is not groundbreaking or historically significant. Punk or Joe winning their first title marked the ascension of new talent that has the potential to change wrestling for the better.


    Posted By: Iron Knee (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:52 PM

     
     
    the problem is that wrestling is a business not a sport as you alluded to and many other fans think. the success of the business is not based on how good your matches are or what moves you know, it is how much money you make. watch the wwe legends roundtable shows and they always ask who the best wrestler ever is. the majority of the time the group opinion is that hogan is the best. why? because he made a bunch of money. the wwe is the best promotion. why? because it has made the most money and has been successful for the longest. for myself i would rather watch the best television product there is. i would rather watch wwe because i am garaunteed to be seeing the most successful promotion there is. i have watched japan and roh and tna and everything else. it just is not that good.

    Posted By: Guest#7190 (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 01:57 PM

     
     
    I think your definition of a "fan" is far too specific. The best definition of a fan that I have ever read is "fans not only follow a program ... but are invested in its continuance." To say someone is not a "true wrestling fan" because they don't watch the many styles and brands of wrestling is valid point. However, it's akin to saying someone isn't a wrestling fan if they don't like watching Dino Bravo matches from the 80s as much as they like watching Steve Austin matches from the 90s. Not all wrestling is created equal, and not all wrestling is going to have a universal appeal to all fans. While it's true that a person could be more of a WWE fan, or a John Cena fan than a "wrestling" fan this does not disqualify that person's wrestling fandom. They are not mutually exclusive, in fact the easily overlap, as that person is easily more of a wrestling fan than a person who doesn't like wrestling. Likewise, just because there are people who have a favorite football team that they watch religiously, but don't care about the other games doesn't mean they are not football fans. Their investment in their favorite team necessitates that they are football fans, because without football their team would not exist. Furthermore, to say a little kid who loves watching wrestling isn't a fan because he doesn't know Pat Patterson was the first I-C Champion seems like a pretty big stretch to me. Similarly, a person who does not have the means to access (money, knowledge, geography) different types of wrestling gets short changed in your definition. I believe, following the definition laid out earlier, that a wrestling fan is a person who is invested in wrestling (whatever form it takes) to the point that their life would be significantly different, or they would be profoundly sad if wrestling were to cease to exist. I think you are trying to define a zenith of wrestling fandom (and there are certainly different degrees) and that's fine, but one's fandom cannot be measured in how much stuff they buy, the styles of wrestling they watch, or even the amount of wrestling they watch (this website alone allows a person to be fan without watching a single minute of wrestling). The thing that defines fans are their investment in the continuation of the wrestling narrative.

    Posted By: John (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:06 PM

     
     
    There are many genres of wrestling just like movies and music. By your logic I am not a music fan or a metal fan because I only listen to Power, Thrash, Viking, Folk and Speed metal and dislike things like black, grindcore, hardcore and nu metal.

    Wrestling is the same, I like my certain wrestlers, promotions and styles and dislike others. I watch TNA, CHIKARA, PWG and ISW and very little of anything else. I am still a wrestling fan and I am certainly not one of those idiots that bash everything. I respect what they do and watch what I like.

    Being a fan is not about liking every aspect about something, I will admit that even my favorite band has a few bad songs, doesn't mean I am not a fan of theirs overall though.


    Posted By: Curtis (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:07 PM

     
     
    Not only did I love the column, I loved the reference to the Gin Blossoms song "Follow You Down". Ace stuff, sir.

    Posted By: Nick M. (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:08 PM

     
     
    Defining fandom is pointless. Other than to create another thing for people to feel superior over. "You're not a REAL fan." It feels like you're criticizing the trolls on your comments section for bashing others, but you've just created another class to bash over.

    I'm a fan because I choose to be. No one gets to define that, except me.


    Posted By: Iain (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:42 PM

     
     
    It's not that other wrestling doesn't exist, because it does. I just don't find it very important or relevant.

    WWE is a global [henomenon, the #1 promotion in the world. If, say, John Cena were to win the title on Raw next week or something, it would be infinitely more important than if some no name virtual nobody in ROH or a Japanese promotion had won some tournament or title. Why is it that way? Because it just is.


    Posted By: K-Money (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:42 PM

     
     
    Guest7190: You watch WWE because it's the most successful? You must hate elections; you never know who's going to win until it's over, so how do you know who to vote for?

    Do you LIKE it? That's the first question. And, really, the only one. I don't see anything about what you said in watching because you're LIKING it.


    Posted By: Iain (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:48 PM

     
     
    Chris, good article when thinking the root of the word fan comes from the word fanatic or fanaticism. There is more than one school of thought there though; the origin of the word fan has also been linked to the word fancy, which changes it's whole meaning. As I'm sure you know, to fancy something simply means to take a liking to it while fanaticism is a case of addiction; it's like the difference between a drunk and a wine connoisseur.

    Posted By: RDR (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 02:51 PM

     
     
    The word "fan" is defined as an admirer or aficionado, especially of a sport or performer, someone who is fond of something or someone; an admirer. If you like it and watch it you are a fan. It is not required to watch it all to be a fan. This article was written with such an arrogent tone. You should lose the right to use Lance Storm in your banner. Fucking elitist putz!

    Posted By: Woodie Guthrie (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 03:47 PM

     
     
    Excellent read overall...you took the WOTW companion and put it in paragraph form, more or less, but that was probably necessary, considering how many WOTW regulars STILL haven't read the damn thing.

    @lain:
    Like John mentioned, he's not trying to bash everyone who says they're fans so much as to describe the IDEAL Fan (from a completely objectivist standpoint, which is impossible) to people, otherwise he wouldn't be labeling himself as a non-fan...it's like explaining rationalism (the philosophical concept) to a public forum of people who only know the "common" meaning of the word. Telling people how to reach that objective ideal (if one is that much of a mark) is the general idea, as anyone who just loves WWE and is fine with just that has already reached their personal, subjective ideal of a wrestling fan. And really, who can bash who for being that?


    Posted By: B.W.G. (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 03:52 PM

     
     
    so if you like Puro or whatever generic japanese or iraqi promotion you ARE NOT a wrestling fan you are...................................................................
    .................................................................



    BERMAN


    Posted By: ted g (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 03:53 PM

     
     
    @Iron Knee:

    I suppose, but Joe or Punk winning means more to you anyway because you like them better than Cena or Jarrett. To you, the stuff between Joe and Punk in ROH was significant, to me its irrelevant.

    I'm a wrestling fan and I don't give a shit about lucha, puro, or ROH. Lucha looks too fake, and puro and ROH take themselves too seriously. When ROH becomes a nationally televised promotion on a standard definition channel with significant household penetration then I will care about it. I don't have to like luch, puro, or ROH to be a wrestling fan. I've been watching it for like 22 years. I've followed WWF, WCW, ECW, and now WWE and TNA. I have WWE 24/7, attend live events, and buy DVDs. I'm a fan, I just have to be familiar with an accessable product first. I'm not buying a DVD or PPV of some company I've never seen before.


    Posted By: JTX (Registered)  on February 17, 2009 at 04:27 PM

     
     
    I understand now. Only full-time losers with no jobs can be wrestling fans.

    Posted By: Might As Well Go on Welfare (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 05:19 PM

     
     
    i've been watching for over 20 years as well and i found this to be true: its not the newest fans, but the "middle child" fans who are the worst. they all came in around the attitude era and got a hard on for ecw and "stiff style" and hardcore matches. once wee phased those things out, they all became "too smart for the wwe". they newest fans are your cenas fans who will have their parents buy the stuff. the "middle child" fans will resent them and find something to make themselves feel smart, whether it be roh, tna or jap crap.
    and yes i do like wwe. it is the most entertaining promotion from their worst angles to their best. it is heads above everything else in the wrestling community. old school fans like me will appreciate the good and laugh at the bad. we are no longer rebelling and no longer feel the need to show of our fandom.


    Posted By: Guest7190 (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 05:43 PM

     
     
    Hey! Don't you dare badmouth Yinling!

    Posted By: Anonymous Smart Mark (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 05:44 PM

     
     
    When I attended the Ric Flair lecture a week ago in Edmonton I found out that I am dangerously thin- for a wrestling fan!

    Posted By: FUZEY (Registered)  on February 17, 2009 at 06:04 PM

     
     
    And just why does anybody need to prove how much of a fan of wrestling they are? At the end of the day no matter what fed it is or what country it's in we're all watching two grown men in spandex rolling around on a mat.

    That's right we're all fighting to see who's a bigger fan of what quite frankly at it's very essence is a homoerotic cartoon. Take that one to home with you.


    Posted By: Guest#0881 (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 06:53 PM

     
     
    Rubbish. Good article,but your logic is flawed. Its like saying you dont like t.v. if you dont watch everything. Its akin to saying that the most hardcore fanboy isnt really a comic book fan if they dont read X-men[ i myself havent picked up an issue since the early 90's]
    I have seen wrestling go through several high spots and some crushing lows, I have seen the rise and fall of W.C.W., Montreal, and if you want to go further back i watched Tommy Rich beat Harley Race for the N.W.A. world title. I have loved Wrestling for 30 years, without even once seeing a RoH p.p.v.. My point is this, I have seen as much crap as i have seen compelling story and i dont need to watch Itchy Scratchy take on the Oyabun in a ring full of Unicorn tears to appreciate the japanese style. Dont need to i have seen Muta and Sting tear down the house. I grew up watching The great fuckin Kabuki..
    I know that the great E.C.W. brought out the wrestling aristocrat.[ Did you see Shane douglas Terry Funk and Sabu...marvelous....simply marvelous] a 60 minute spot match. Now these same workrate nazis watch RoH. I consider myself a true fan and a student of wrestling and i dont need to have someone go all Dave Meltzer on me and question my dedication. But as i said it was a thought provoking article and i will read more.....OLD SCHOOL IS COOL


    Posted By: old school fan (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 08:20 PM

     
     
    "i've been watching for over 20 years as well and i found this to be true: its not the newest fans, but the "middle child" fans who are the worst. they all came in around the attitude era and got a hard on for ecw and "stiff style" and hardcore matches. once wee phased those things out, they all became "too smart for the wwe". they newest fans are your cenas fans who will have their parents buy the stuff. the "middle child" fans will resent them and find something to make themselves feel smart, whether it be roh, tna or jap crap.
    and yes i do like wwe. it is the most entertaining promotion from their worst angles to their best. it is heads above everything else in the wrestling community. old school fans like me will appreciate the good and laugh at the bad. we are no longer rebelling and no longer feel the need to show of our fandom."

    Posted By: Guest7190 (Guest) on February 17, 2009 at 05:43 PM

    You are absolutely correct.


    Posted By: WWE>all wrestling feds (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 08:24 PM

     
     
    There can be no wrestling fans since wrestling died when the nwa became WCW for all intents and purposes.
    Without territories there is nothing but athletic soap operas.
    Long gone are the days of 2 out of 3 falls with a 60 minute time limit for the World title.
    Hell in a Cell and Elimination chambers have no meaning... but there was this thing called War Games that used to bring feuds to bloody ends..
    Wrestling has evolved into more glitz than action.
    For something resembling a real contest of men's strength and force one must now watch UFC.
    It's a shame too because in the old days the Von Erichs and Freebirds or The Sheepherders vs. The Fabulous Ones or the Midnight Express vs. The Rock n Roll Express were so good that we really did suspend belief and bought into it.
    Everything now is so gimmicked it's a shame.
    Give me Tully vs. Magnum in a steel cage over these Money in the Bank spot fests. .


    Posted By: Guest#9800 (Guest)  on February 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM

     
     
    SWEET JUICY JESUS....Old school really is cool. I have alwys wondered where the older fans were,and its great to know that there are people who can tell the difference between the war games and hell in the cell. War games was the first[and best]match of this type. With one notable exception i have never seen a bad war games match

    Posted By: old school fan (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 12:27 AM

     
     
    New Japan is STILL the second biggest company in the world. Why doesn't anyone understand this?

    Posted By: Guest#9226 (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 04:45 AM

     
     
    WWE names Tag Teams! Cryme Tyme, Priceless...Eric Young was released!?

    Posted By: T-Mac (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 08:21 AM

     
     
    i'm no wrestling fan. thank god.

    Posted By: tully (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 09:31 AM

     
     
    Why is everyone so worried about what defines a fan?

    You;re a fan if you like wrestling, plain and simple. Maybe you watch everything. Maybe you only watch WWE. Bid deal.

    I swear, smarks overanalyze everything sometimes...


    Posted By: lilwayne1 (Registered)  on February 18, 2009 at 01:22 PM

     
     
    Guest 9800 AKA Jim Crockett

    Posted By: Anthony (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 02:50 PM

     
     
    randy orton's theme sucks. dude, seriously...

    Posted By: ryan (Guest)  on February 18, 2009 at 05:36 PM

     


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