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Shining a Spotlight 02.26.09: Fandom
Posted by Michael Weyer on 02.26.2009



Like many, a bit disappointed Mickey Rourke didn't win the Oscar as his performance was phenomenal. Nothing against Penn who was good as well but he already had one and seems more like politics than actual weight of performances.
 
Last week, If I Could Be Serious had an interesting article on fandom and what it means to be a fan. It made me think a bit as he raised some good points but the argument of fandom can be very complicated.

People often have different criteria for what it means to be a fan. It varies quite a lot and quite often really doesn't make much sense but it's what it is. The problem is often the fact that for the majority, no two people really have the same definition of what being a fan really means. And those who do can be very, very strict about such criteria.

For an example, I've always considered myself a Star Wars fan. I love the first film more than any other, I have them all on various DVD and VHS releases, I read the books and comics, still have old action figures and all that. So yes, I consider myself a fan. However, I think the prequels are good, the Ewoks work well and I prefer Return of the JedI over Empire Strikes Back. Thus, by that criteria, I've had people say I can't be a real Star Wars fan because no "real" fan can feel that way. I rather enjoyed the last Indiana Jones movie and yet "real" Indy fans are supposed to hate it. I actually liked the second and third seasons of Heroes despite so many others turning on it.

It's not like I'm blind to things I like of course. I recognize the train wrecks of shows I enjoy like Gray's Anatomy and last season of 24. At the same time, I also don't jump on bandwagons of some stuff. For example, I think Firefly is a really overrated show, good but nowhere nears as amazing as people think it is. And there's always movies I keep hearing are amazing but when I see them, I come off with a feeling of "that's it?" I guess it shows how the buzz about some stuff can overwhelm your appreciation of it.

Wrestling is a lot like that. It's always been more entertainment than sport and both of those have their wide range of fandoms. Even in the pre-Internet days, you had some big divisions among fans, particularly as the WWF grew to power in the 1980's. You had the fans who preferred "real" wrestling with the NWA and other territories while more of the mainstream flocked to the wilder WWF. I'm not ashamed to say I was more a WWF guy back then but I could still appreciate the good shows from the NWA and such. I guess the wide range of wrestling I like does make me a good fan but my modern-day sensibilities tend to be a bit different than others.

I think I've made that clear in some of my past columns. I think John Cena is a damn good worker and champion who doesn't deserve the massive hate he gets. I think HHH is also a great worker who does a good job boosting others and has let go of some of his past spotlight hogging. I think RVD is hugely overrated, a guy who peaked in 1999 and has proven he can't carry a company due to his erratic behavior. I prefer Matt Hardy over Jeff as a worker and a more capable champ. And I think Ric Flair, in his prime, was just as big a spotlight-hogging politician as Hogan and HHH at their worst.

I've been trashed for those opinions but I've also heard from many who share those views exactly. It shows you how you can't judge all fans alike, even those who seem to like the same guys because there will be divisions among them. The worst part of the IWC is that people can so easily take an open brush to put everything under the same scope with no study of those divisions.

It needs to be pointed out that there is a vast difference between the IWC and the majority of wrestling fans. Like it or not (and I know a lot of guys don't), we are not the majority voice of wrestling fandom. That majority are the ones who go to the shows without reading spoiler, who don't spend hours every week trolling for gossip and arguing angles without giving them a chance to develop. They're the ones creative teams listen to, not us, even if we are supposedly smarter.

The problem with that mentality is that…we're not that smart, really. James Guttman summed that up perfectly in his latest book as he talks about how he thought he had wrestling all figured out in 2005 but after years of interviewing guys, realized he didn't know the half of it. A lot of what we know as supposed fact are really based on rumor, speculation, innuendo and half-truths with no real basis. My favorite prime example is how it was reported as absolute fact for years that Eric Bischoff conceived the AWA Team Challenge Series and booked the AWA in its last years but that's not true. There are other tales like that, stories that have come to be accepted as truth because of how the fans see it. It's not helped that a lot of wrestlers can actually use such stories to boost their personas and even promoters can use it as well. Matt Hardy and Edge is a good example as WWE did manage to use fan expectations and knowledge of the real-life troubles to help the storyline out. And Brian Pillman remains an expert at being able to use the fans to help himself out. But too many wrestlers are affected by the reputations they've received. Erik Watts wasn't one of the worst workers ever. He was fair and got his push because his dad was running WCW but had some potential. But sadly, the IWC considers him utterly wretched and that mentality remains today, as it does for a lot of others.

Raven hit it on the head in an interview: the fans who think they know so much and know what's coming are the easiest ones to con. Guttman's book raised a point I agree with totally, that too many people in the IWC are too eager to believe every story that comes around, no matter what. WWE just used that with the "Jeff Hardy found in hotel room" bit that a lot of fans truly bought thanks to his history. Really, the whole "smart factor" has gotten completely out of hand and that just makes a lot in the IWC look foolish as fans. I remember Cena's return at the Royal Rumble last year as the place truly erupted but then suddenly he had boos as if fans were remembering "oh, wait, booing him's the cool thing to do." That mindset, that you have to go with the majority if you want to be counted as a true fan, is horrible and just insults yourself and fandom.

The thing that is so easy to forget about wrestling is that everyone involved, to one degree or another, is always working us. Wrestlers, writers, promoters, it doesn't matter, they all work us. It's their job, it's who they are, it's built into them from the moment they step into the business. Their entire job is to make us believe in them and what they do and a lot of guys are unable to turn that off. "Shoot" interviews for the most part of guys grousing a lot about those who have done them wrong and often glossing over their own shortcomings and problems. WWE DVDs can be the same way of course but they can be brutally honest as well. Yet guys will always be trying to manipulate the fans for their own ends. RVD comes off as an arrogant asshole to me but a lot of folks see that as refreshing honesty despite the fact he blames everyone but himself for his failure to rise higher in the business. A lot of us are able to see through this but so many will just buy whatever comes our way.
 
These divisions of fans can be seen so often on the IWC. Ring of Honor has long been a focus for debates as so many complain that a lot of sites (like 411mania) go too overboard hailing the promotion as brilliant and the epitome of what wrestling should be. Yes, it's a great promotion and I think work wise it's the best but I recognize there are still parts of it that don't click as well. TNA has their loyalists who insist it's going great despite poor storylines and bad matches. Of course, I still back WWE when they have the same problems so it's not like I'm in a position to talk.

And that's another problem, that a lot of fans will take the position of being authorities when they're really not. I've been guilty of that from time to time and I recognize it but some take it to a ridiculous degree. While his attitude has lessened a bit in the last few years, Scott Keith will still paint himself as a be-all and end-all word on things, despite the fact he really has zero backstage connections to the business. Others can come off just as righteous and know-it-all which just serves to undermine their own standing. More importantly, it makes hard for those newer fans who don't know as much about the business to get the wrong idea. Complain all you want about how Vince tries to whitewash his stuff with WWE (although it's not as widespread as some claim) but is that worse than people who make it sound like every single evil and ill in the entire business is all Vince's fault?

It should also be remembered there's a fine line between a "fan" and a "fanatic." Hell, most wrestlers don't pay as much attention to wrestling history as fans do, they live for the now, not the past. Yet so many fans thing it's vital to know every detail of every title change and card, ignoring the forest for the trees. That's led to the annoying way star ratings can be seen as so much more important than they really are and go into way too much detail on moves. That's led to the annoying tendency to subtract from matches just because every single spot isn't done to absolute precision, as if we expect utter and complete perfection with a regular sport. It's not like you have to be a wrestler to judge wrestling; I mean, how many movies has Roger Ebert directed? But expecting them to not let you personally down seems a real disservice to the guys you're supposed to like so much.

The attitude of a lot of IWC'ers makes it clear why the promotions look down on us all so much. I don't want to sound like I'm annoyed at the people who post comments because I enjoy any feedback, positive or negative. It's just better when posters are able to put in real comments instead of "you suck" or "EPIC FAIL" (and I swear, that saying has long since outlived its shelf life). It's not that the people who make those comments are dumb, I'm sure they're intelligent, they just don't get how foolish they come off saying it. Passion can overwhelm reason and that comes true a lot around here.

It's because we want to believe. When we become fans of wrestling, we made a decision, conscious or not, to suspend the knowledge that it was all fake. We knew, deep down, we knew but we ignored it for a while. That willingness to believe is often a reason it's so easy for us to be played and ignore the fact we're being played at all. We wanted to be sucked into the world of wrestling so to go about complaining over how bad it can be or that a match isn't a five-star masterpiece because they messed up one dropkick or an angle that the fans on TV love but you dislike seems idiotic and petty. And even more petty is to lambaste a guy as a complete moron for liking that sort of thing. You can say you think differently, you can offer reasons why but just say "you're not a REAL fan" just makes yourself look foolish.

There's a plaque at my local library: "NEVER apologize for your tastes in reading." I think that should apply to wrestling too. We all have our own reasons for getting into it and staying with it. We all have our likes and dislikes. We're always going to disagree, that's the nature of it. I just think it's important to realize that's all we are, fans. We don't know the inner workings of the business for real, we don't stand as utter authorities on stuff and half the time, we don't know who's really telling the truth or not. That's what wrestling is and you have to accept that. You start debating who's a "real" fan or not and it just shows how judgmental a fan you yourself can be. After all, throwing around how you're so "smart" about wrestling can work against your own standing in various ways. You love because you love it and when you cut down to it, that's all that really matters. Isn't that what being a fan means?


Also around 411mania:

Chin talks the Importance of Wrestlemania III

The Bard has a unique take on fandom himself

Don't Think Twice has a nice bit about The Wrestler

For the Record discusses HHH as boss.

The Shimmy examines HHH and Orton

Five-Star Conversation looks at Christian

The Doc looks at Mania tag teams

Lansdell starts his own promotion

Piledriver Report examines the road to Mania

Don't forget Column of Honor, Triple Threat, 3 R's, Ask 411, The top 5 and the rest.


For this week, the spotlight is off.
 
 


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Good column. Don't really have much to add to that without repeating what you've said so I won't. Except that I'm a big Star Wars geek too, so that was cool to read. Especially the prequel love.

But you're wrong about Firefly...


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM

 
 
Excellent column! Hopefully more commenters on this site give it a read and get rid of at least some of the mindless BS that continually spew to try and look "cool."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, just enjoy the show people :)


Posted By: Dave` (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 10:54 AM

 
 
Wonderful article mate...You hit the nail on the head perfectly...

Posted By: Cyber (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 10:56 AM

 
 
I love how everyone at 411wrestling thinks that Penn only got the oscar because HE PLAYED A GAY AND THERE WAS POLITIKS! PROP 8! HHH! The irony is that if they gave the Oscar to Rourke because Penn already had one (like you suggested), THAT would be the definition of playing "politics." I'm guessing that most people who watch pro wrestling didn't even SEE Milk. Penn won the award (deservedly so), and people should just grow up and accept it.

Posted By: MDK (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM

 
 
All this talk about what being a fan is is pretty refreshing. The attitude that is prevalent on the internet, which basically amounts to a lot of meaningless trolling is quite tiresome. Taste is something that applies to individuals anyway, and you should never let someone else tell you otherwise.

Now for me, I think Star Wars is very overrated. The old trilogy are good kid's fantasy movies, and little else. Everything else produced, especially the new trilogy, have been quite dreadful and only really made me more hostile to Lucas' companies. Once upon a time Lucasfilm and Lucasarts were very creative companies that did not rely on brand names like Star Wars and Indiana Jones exclusively, but that's what they are now. Whilst I respect the fact that a lot of people are fans of the above, I would hope they realise that there are criticisms to be made at the source, that's the difference between a sensible fan and a fanboy.

When it comes to wrestling, I have my own reasons for being a fan. I like the choreagraphy so I enjoy spotfests more than a lot of people do. I feel more catered to by RoH and Dragon's Gate than other companies, and that is why I'd say I was a big fan of them. I find the WWE kinda boring at times, certainly not all the time but I think they over-rely on drama and established main eventers. Shawn Micheals and the Undertaker, good though they maybe, just seem stale to me now.

I guess what I'm saying is, being a fan is a good thing as long as you don't let it blind you. I'd in fact say it made you a better fan in the long run because if you truly like a product, seeing it's faults and wanting it to be better is a stronger kind of loyalty than blind devotion.


Posted By: Sean McCabe (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

 
 
Good article, although you ARE wrong about Firefly.

I think though that beyond a certain point it's wrong to say anything about how good or bad something is.

Obviously some things are just terrible by failing at what they set out to do. That said, you can't (or shouldn't) call something "awful" just because it does nothing for you personally.

Like the Firefly example. In a technical sense, it's an amazing mashing of two distinct genres and making them into one singular whole. You can't take that away from it, but it is fair to say something simply doesn't appeal to you.


Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM

 
 
Awesome column. I have been a wrestling fan longer than most IWC'ers have been alive and I LOVE Hulk Hogan. That doesn't make me a mark, that makes me a wrestling fan. I like 411 Wrestling so much better when they leave their opinions OUT of the conversation. Of course, the next article I read will probably shit on Hogan and I'll go back to hating you all again- but for the moment, your column has made me happy.

Posted By: Nick (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

 
 
Totally wrong about Firefly, it is that damn good.

As for fandom, everybody has their own opinion and somebody saying because you liked the last Indy movies means your not a fan...you actually like the Indiana Jones movies which makes you MORE of a fan than those who only like the original 3.


Posted By: Curtis (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM

 
 
Good and bad are subjective, whether you're talking quality or morality. I don't like spotfests but Sean above does so they're not inherantly "bad," just not my preference.

But you shouldn't limit yourself to a black-and-white definition of good and bad. Just because spotfests aren't my favorite match in the world doesn't mean I can't pop in the Hardys/E&C ladder match and go crazy over it. No individuals preferences are ever "wrong."


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM

 
 
star wars fans and wrestling fans are nerds and losers respectively

Posted By: Guest#9967 (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 01:11 PM

 
 
You write excellent, excellent article. The Sheiky Baby agree 100%. Those who do not agree I will make humble old-country way.

Posted By: Sheiky Baby (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 02:19 PM

 
 
That was one of the best columns I've ever read on this site! DOWN WITH THE SNOBBY!!!

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 05:51 PM

 
 
To be honest I think all main eventers are terrible with the politics, whether it be Austin, Hogan, Triple H, Flair, Hart, any of them except maybe Rock and Cena. Austin left once for having to job to someone or storylines issues as Confidential said, Bret Hart comes off whiney in his book though he's my all time favorite. Michaels comes off as a prick and fakes injuries to get out of jobs in the past. When Flair was head booker it seemed a lot of other talent was held down, same with Nash and Dusty Rhodes. Some may have changed but everyone at one point in time seems to gain the holier then thou attitude.

Though I disagree with the Cena statement, I can't stand his gimmick, it's like watching someone be something there not, to me he appears to be a company man, the guy that would wear a suit and DO ANYTHING for the company, but instead I see this wigger on my tv. It's just like WTF when I see that, and turns me off of his work completely, and to be honest I don't think I'm the only one who just hates his gimmick. I honestly don't think ANY of these people would hate Cena if he was heel, or had another gimmick, if that happened (though it never will), people would leave him be.

Anyways, I agree with several of your points though, RVD is only entertaining to me at certain times. Erik Watts wasn't nearly that bad either, not great nor bad. As for spoilers, I never seek them; I just enjoy reading the opinion columns like this one.

Like TNA or not, there doing their best business, but to be honest I like a little bit of all of the Big 3 including ROH, TNA, and WWE. All have something to entice me with TNA having the least but still fun to watch.

As for the people acting like they know too much, I'll honestly say I have quite an ego, and not just with wrestling but basically in everyday life I truly believe I'm superior to over 3/4 of the world's population because I have a different more radical and unique way of thinking. So there is also an exception, a thing called narcissism, it can be attributed to a personality disorder, I'm not sure what causes it, but it's there, nothing I can really do about it, it never seems to go away ^-^.

The star ratings don't really affect me either, some of these supposed 4 stsome of these supposed 4 star or 5 star matches bore me, -cough- Bret Hart/Michaels Ironman, others which aren't held in such high regard entertain me, Sid vs. Vader.

Lastly, I love the new "Indiana Jones film" and hate the old ones. I also hate most of the mainstream type shows, I give them a chance but they seem so similar, I like NCIS and House that’s about all. It’s good that you let your opinion be known instead of being like the majority of IWC and America in general, who basically follow into every ideal society puts onto them.


Posted By: Metaleptic (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 06:38 PM

 
 
Excellent column dude.

Another comment which has outlived its shelf life is the one that goes "Did (he/she/it) sign or was it a one shot deal?"


Posted By: Twin Shot (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 10:32 PM

 
 
I don't normally do this, but this column is an epic win. You are right. And it isn't only here. It is on places such as Youtube where you get "If you like this company" or think that "This company is better than that company" or "If you like this guy or that guy (with Cena being the obvious example)", then "You are not a true wrestling fan."

Now I am not on the "Cena is the greatest wrestler in the world" bandwagon, but I am not on the Cena haters bandwagon either. And those who say that "Cena caters to kids", I say "So what?" Kids look at Cena as a hero and I say "So what?" Last I checked, it wasn't a crime for kids to have heroes.

I have been a wrestling fan for 20 years. In that 20 years, I have enjoyed the good wrestling and have always found amusement in the bad wrestling. Sure, I may say some things I didn't like about a show, but I say it once and then move on while others whine and cry about some of the same stuff for five years after something happens that they don't like. I say quit crying and enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't like.


Posted By: Rob Z (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

 
 
Brian Pillman cannot REMAIN being an expert on anything. Y'know, cause he's dead and all.

Posted By: icon zeke (Guest)  on February 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM

 


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