The Wrestling Doctor 03.03.09: The Wrestlemania XXV Main Event Scene
Posted by W.S. Thomason on 03.03.2009
The Wrestling Doctor has a prescription for main event enhancement.
THE WRESTLING DOCTOR
THIS WEEK'S PATIENT: THE WRESTLEMANIA XXV MAIN EVENT SCENE
Note: this column is written and submitted prior to the conclusion Raw, so the events of the March 2 show could not be taken into consideration. If for some ungodly reason Randy Orton decided to face Edge or Jack Swagger, stop reading now and ask yourself why you are still a wrestling fan.
This week the Wrestling Doctor has the latex gloves on and the two likely Wrestlemania XV main events on the table. The bouts between John Cena / Edge and Triple H / Randy Orton have been well-built so far, but the history between the men creates some challenges for delivering something unique for the big event.
The Problem: Exciting the fans on a Wrestlemania level about this year's probable main events.
The challenge of both of these feuds is that both have been done to death.
John Cena and Edge headlined three pay-per-views in one-on-one contests against each other in 2006, as well as a triple threat match. They also fought on a Saturday Night's Main Event, a Raw cage match, and were involved in a wide variety of free television situations and multi-person matches.
The upside for the WWE is that their 2006 feud was brilliant. This war made both Cena and Edge into a legitimate top stars, despite their earlier accomplishments, as both men proved that they could carry a sustained program from start to finish. The reasons behind a long program must be dramatic and powerful if the storyline is to work, and only the two wrestlers involved can communicate that reality to the audience. Cena and Edge provided the necessary passion while growing their own characters in delivering what was a fantastic piece of main event booking. There is no reason to believe that the two cannot reignite that intensity for Wrestlemania.
A weakness that Cena and Edge are facing now is the reasoning behind the feud. The 2006 rivalry was based around the ways into which Edge weaseled his hands onto the WWE Title and the great heelish lengths he went to keep it. Even Edge's attack on Cena's Dad was a means for the Rated R Superstar to gain an psychological advantage on Cena for their Summerslam 2006 encounter. Their current feud is based on the way that the Edge weaseled his hands onto the World Title and the great heelish lengths he is willing to go to keep it. The only real difference between the feud then and the feud now is the belt involved. The feud also ended decisively with Cena's TLC win. Reviving an already resolved feud for an event as big as Wrestlemania will require something more than a traditional title match.
Triple H and Randy Orton are in a similar situation. They feuded in 2004 during Orton's brief face run, but the feud that is stuck in the minds of the fans is the rivalry they had over the WWE Title in late 2007 – early 2008. They traded the title in one night at No Mercy 2007 in a traditional and then a last man standing match. They took a break before reigniting their feud last February, and were two thirds of the triple threat WWE Title match last year at Wrestlemania XXIV. The Game won the WWE Title from Orton in a fatal four way match at last April's Backlash, with the two former Evolution members spending 18 of the bout's 28 minutes in a one-on-one situation. The next month at Judgment Day Triple H retained the belt with a steel cage match win over Orton, and followed that up 25 days later with a definitive win in a last man standing bout at One Night Stand.
Cena and Edge have a decided advantage in that their feud last occurred three years ago, while that of The Game and The Legend Killer is still fresh in the memories of people who bought last year's Wrestlemania. However, the addition of Randy Orton's attacks on the McMahons – and the first on-air acknowledgement that Triple H and Stephanie are married – has added a personal element to the current situation absent from their prior engagements. The dueling Starrcade main events between Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes in 1984 and 1985 serve as a great parallel to the HHH-Orton situation. The first match between Flair and Rhodes was about the NWA World Title and $1 million. The second match was about Dusty's revenge on Flair for breaking his leg; taking the NWA World Title from the Nature Boy was the Dream's way of hitting the champ where it hurt most. Nothing sells a wrestling feud like personal revenge, and Triple H has reasons in spades to exact a pound of flesh from Orton at Wrestlemania.
The Prescription:
Both main event feuds may be hard to sell in a standard match. Cena and Edge have put each other through tables, nailed each other with chairs and ladders, and fought around public water works. The fans expect to at least see the level of intensity that the two put forward in 2006. Cena wants to give Edge a mouth-shutting beat down, while the World Champion is a character who will do anything to retain his title. On the other hand, Randy Orton took out Triple H's wife on national television. Triple H has a clear desire to maim Orton – at a minimum. Meanwhile, the master of the RKO wants to make sure that Triple H cannot get revenge, and that will take an effort outside of the WWE's regulations. A traditional match is not going to provide the context for any of these four guys to do what the fans believe must be done.
The WWE has traditionally stayed away from stipulation matches for Wrestlemania WWE and World Title matches. There have been some – a steel cage (II), a 60-minute Iron Man match (XII), a fatal four-way (2000), a no-disqualification (X-7 - only announced on the actual show), and three triple threats (XX, XXII, XXIV) – but stipulations have not been the rule of wrestling's biggest day.
There is a belief that Wrestlemania sells itself in large part, so that big title matches do not require a lot of bells and whistles outside of a well-built storyline. The stipulations can be saved for lesser pay-per-views. This year, however, the WWE has backed itself into a corner with its main event storylines. Both Cena / Edge and Triple H / Orton need some type of special stipulation fit into their current storylines and to settle the disputes between them. No one believes that a simple three-count will provide the satisfaction demanded by these four men.
Cena and Edge have already done TLC at Unforgiven 2006, and a main event match based around ladders on the same show with a Money in the Bank match is highly unlikely. A street fight or something similar may work but has been done before. Such a brawl also does not as well play into the current storyline as one might initially think. The storyline is all about Edge and Vickie Guerrero being on a power trip. A more viable option would involve Vickie stacking the deck against John Cena. For example, the match could be no-disqualification for Edge but not for Cena. Falls could count anywhere for Edge but not Cena. Essentially, Edge could do what he wants – including incorporating tables, ladders, and chairs in an unofficial capacity – while Cena would be tightly restricted. A special referee, such as Big Show, could be an added as a further disadvantage for Cena. (Too bad they have already re-introduced Christian, as the ref's role would be the perfect place to bring him back). The stacked deck option would fit into the storyline of the Cena / Edge feud and work for their characters.
Triple H and Randy Orton must have more. They have already fought in cage and last man-standing contests. A simple no-disqualification match or street fight would not work for their history or the intensity of their present situation. A Hell-in-a-Cell would fit on a story line level, but is probably not feasible in a dome facility like Houston's Reliant Stadium due to the ceiling height and construction. Other strikes against HITC are that the WWE likes to save such a match to help move non-Mania shows, and they just ran the somewhat-similar Elimination Chamber last month.
The one match that is truly deserving of the current Triple H-Randy Orton situation is Three Stages of Hell. The WWE has never run such a bout at Wrestlemania, and HHH and RKO have never squared off in one. The match provides the appropriate atmosphere for the level of animosity accompanying this feud, and opens the door to creative variation for the WWE writing team.
The classic Three Stages of Hell match between Triple H and Steve Austin at No Way Out 2001 consisted of a traditional fall, a street fight, and a steel cage. The HHH-Shawn Michaels TSOH at Armageddon 2002 was a street fight, steel cage, and ladder match. I cannot think of other TSOH matches in the WWE, but there may have been one or two others (readers?).
I would prefer that the deciding fall be in a cage, but I am assuming that lowering a structure at Reliant Stadium is logistically impossible (but with the WWE crew, who knows.) As such, I am not considering a cage as a feasible option. My preferred stipulations would be a lumberjack match; a stretcher or street fight fall; and last man standing. Lumberjacks would fit perfectly into this feud, as Orton has heat with the entire locker room for trying to shut down Wrestlemania. Why not let him pay before his peers? A stretcher fall fits into Orton's past of taking out legends and McMahons alike. A street fight would be another option, as Triple H has a rich history under the stipulation and it would bleed well into the last man standing fall. Last man standing would be an appropriate deciding fall, as both Triple H (One Night Stand 2008) and Orton (No Mercy 2007) hold a victory over the other in such a bout. The third fall of their Wrestlemania XXV match would essentially be the rubber match of their series. It is safe to say that sledgehammers will be involved.
It is cliché to say that Wrestlemania is the ultimate event in wrestling, but it is also true. The featured matches of this year's edition should clearly stand out from other chapters in the history of these feuds. The stories leading into these two main events have been well done, but the WWE has a long way to go before April 5.
Post-March 2 Raw Addendum: The Triple H-Orton promo was THAT DAMN GOOD. The hands-off clause, the history, and the personal aspect of this feud are great. This rivalry gets stronger by the week - but they need to give Triple H a match where he could break Orton's neck. As for Cena-Edge, it looks as if it wil be Cena-Edge-Big Show. This one just keeps getting dumber..
No offense, but I think your prescription kind of sucks.
HHH/Orton is finally an interesting match now that they've pushed the personal issue. It doesn't need anything added to it.
Edge/Cena is actually going to be Edge/Cena/Show which is fairly intriguing. Each guy has legitimate history and a beef with each of the other two.
Specialty matches for title matches at 'Mania are just not the way to go. Singles, triple threats and maybe fatal four-ways are the only ways to go. Shawn/Bret in the Ironman match was the exception.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on March 02, 2009 at 11:36 PM
While a 3 stages of hell match would be interesting for hhh/orton, the match ideas you presented were pretty weak. Lumberjack matches have kinda been made a joke in recent years, not suited at all for the main event of Wrestlemania. If they could do something like a traditional fall, street fight, and some 3rd fall that makes sense, like a last man standing.
The Edge/Cena match looks to be adding big show, cena will end up in it no matter what, which is def. an interesting spin and could lead to a pretty exciting match.
Posted By: Guest#4639 (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 12:45 AM
HHH/Orton should be an I Quit match.
Posted By: mhsilver (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:28 AM
Nah. It's got to be a singles match. The I Quit Match would be like a blowoff type match at Backlash..
Posted By: Rupe (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 02:21 AM
Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit had a Three Stages of Hell match. Pin only, submission only and ladder
Posted By: MachoMaddness (Registered) on March 03, 2009 at 03:22 AM
I like the ideas for both, however a simple one-one WM match for the title with a nice emotional storyline works just fine.
If anything it will fold out just like WM17, one of the McMahons - Probably Steph in some form of wheelchair and says its No DQ then the VINCE TURN OF DOOM~! happens right at the end.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 04:46 AM
The only fresh, original thing they need to add to Orton/HHH to make it Mania worthy is Orton winning.
Trips has ended all 3 of Orton's World title reigns, and now is the time for Orton to end one of Huntor's.
I'm not all that bothered what the title matches are at Mania - we have MITB and Taker/HBK, what more do we need??
Posted By: Mr Quimby's Beard (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 07:43 AM
At SummerSlam 2000 Benoit and Jericho had a 2 out of 3 falls match...I don't know the difference between that and 3 stages of hell, but there you go.
Posted By: Empire Of Ownage (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 11:28 AM
At SummerSlam 2000 Benoit and Jericho had a 2 out of 3 falls match...I don't know the difference between that and 3 stages of hell, but there you go
2/3 falls is whoever gets 2 falls in what is normally a straight up wrestling match & 3 stages of hell while also the first person to get 2 falls is where they are 3 gimmick matches involved in it, like normal match, cage then a street fight for example.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 12:37 PM
"2/3 falls is whoever gets 2 falls in what is normally a straight up wrestling match & 3 stages of hell while also the first person to get 2 falls is where they are 3 gimmick matches involved in it, like normal match, cage then a street fight for example."
Technically, a 2/3 Falls match is a 3 Stages of Hell match in which all the matches are traditional wrestling matches.
That said, I'm fine with two regular matches, and also with Cena/Edge/Big Show. There has to be some payoff to the "Big Show hangs out with Vickie all year to get close to the title" storyline. If it's a Triple Threat Match at WM, that's cool.
"Yowza!"
Posted By: W. Axl Rose (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:06 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Michaels/Taker should go on last?
Posted By: Spaghett (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Not another triple threat title match. 4 in 5 years is a little much. When feuds start repeating like this, maybe its a sign that wwe needs to BUILD NEW STARS!
Posted By: Guest#3486 (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Taker/Michaels shouldn't happen at WM at all. The E blew it with the HBK/JBL angle and these two shouldn't be done and have the angle climax at WWE.
That was a freebie - now to address the column.
I feel that the doctor is fixing what isn't broken this time. The real problem in looking back is that the original program with Orton/HHH provided moments in the ring but really didn't connect well outside of the ring (the story).
Orton isn't the game guy that was still Evolution's bitch even after winning the belt. His character has evolved (to quote HHH last night). HHH isn't that "guy" either anymore, as he isn't the centerpiece of the fed anymore. I believe a standard match with the intesity that is fueled by a terrific story is more than good enough to kick off a fresh program.
Cena/Edge is a logical choice to run to because the original program lacked storyline closure. Edge certainly isn't the same character as he was 2 or 3 years ago. Edge is darker and more sadistic. If the WWE is attempting to make Cena the 21st Real American, then this is the match to solidily go PG. I have no trouble with a traditional match here either.
I think the Doctor might have just taken a couple of unwilling patients this time. I guess the economy hurts all over.
Posted By: thegunisgood (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:50 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Michaels/Taker should go on last?
Posted By: Spaghett (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:12 PM
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Yes.
Posted By: Probes (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:50 PM
I'm still holding out hope for Cena/Hogan
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 01:54 PM
Well then who do you think should main event then, probes?
Posted By: Spaghett (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 02:09 PM
they got that collapse-able cage right? like the ones they use at house shows and shit?
so why cant that be the 3rd stage of hell?
Posted By: Guest#1316 (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 02:10 PM
Orton/McHemsley is the flagship feud at the moment.
That should be the main event (and last match) at WMXXV
Posted By: thegunisgood (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 02:31 PM
......SPAGHETT!
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Posted By: Iron Knee (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 04:26 PM
Let's face it wrestling as a whole is stale right now with the same matches and instability from every promotion across the globe. This years 'Mania main events are dull, predictable and not worthy of my attention or dollars, and there's nothing they can add to those matches to make them more appealing, because they are so familiar. BORING.
Posted By: Dr Thaddeus Soggybottom (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 04:26 PM
The only main event that matters at Mania is Jack Thwagger defending the ECW title.
Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 05:39 PM
If HHH/Orton would to do a "Three Stages of Hell" match. I think it should be a First Blood match, a Slegdehammer on a Pole match, and a "I Quit" match being last. All of these are designed to inflict maximum punishment on a opponant.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 06:17 PM
"If HHH/Orton would to do a "Three Stages of Hell" match. I think it should be a First Blood match, a Slegdehammer on a Pole match, and a "I Quit" match being last. "
Yup, nothing says the grandest stage of them all like "..on a pole".
Posted By: Max Doig (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 07:14 PM
So, at Wrestlemania 2000, Benoit, Jericho, and Angle had a 2 Fall Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental and European Titles. I understand Wrestlemania's tradition of a 1 on 1 match (normally) for the Big Title(s) and respect it. HOWEVER, how about a Fatal 4 Way 2 Fall match with HHH, Cena, Orton, and Edge? Whoever is the World Heavyweight Champion and the WWE Champion is exempt from the Draft and can choose the brand they are on?
Posted By: WM25 Idea (Guest) on March 03, 2009 at 07:28 PM
This article is half right. Triple H beating Orton in a straight-up wrestling match isn't what fans want to see. I'd expect Orton to show up on RAW the next night and say, "I kicked your in-laws in their heads and made your wife my bitch. And you...out-wrestled me? Oh, yes, vengeance was yours, H!" Nah, they need a match in which Triple H can try his hand at killing Orton.
Cena and Edge, however, is fine as a traditional match. Really, Cena's dispute with Edge is that he's a weasel and could be beat in a fair fight, which Cena would like to have. Maybe a special ref would be nice to keep Edge from getting DQ'd, and Big Show would fit the bill. But all-in-all these two don't need any bells and whistles to have a satisfying match.
Posted By: Sam! (Guest) on March 04, 2009 at 01:04 AM
i don't necessarily agree, but a very interesting column.
i think one of the other three stages matches was maybe between hhh and austin in early '01 as apart of the hit and run angle. i could be wrong, but i want to say it was at no way out.
Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest) on March 04, 2009 at 05:08 AM
Triple Threat looks like it is going to happen between Big Show, Cena and Edge. So theres nothing changing that.
I can see HHH vs. Orton become a No DQ or something like that, but i doubt it either way Orton will win (see my resoning below). The next on Raw he will come out with legacy and bitch like hell on HHH and that he can't have a re-match because he is on Smackdown, the following week he is the last draft to Raw. THEN the blood fued begins!!!
HHH beats Orton
Edge beats HHH
J Hardy beats Edge
Edge beats J Hardy
HHH beats Edge
Orton beats HHH and where back where it should be :p
Posted By: jacob (Guest) on March 04, 2009 at 05:50 AM
I hate gimmick match use on main event programs at WM it is so unnessary from both a financial and creative perspective.
WM25 is gonna draw massive and i don't think that it would matter if for example Orton/hhh was HITC or not.... plus this gimmick can be used later down the line to help boast another weaker PPV's numbers.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on March 04, 2009 at 07:49 AM
Good article but I don't agree. I think the intensity in the HHH/Orton feud is enough that they don't need a gimmick match. I say just let the ref use his discrestion and not disqualify anyone or count them out due to the nature of the feud and the fact that it's a WWE Title match at the biggest show of the year.
As for the Triple Threat, I remember being very upset that Shawn was added in 04 (not because I dislike HBK but a tthe time, I was a huge Benoit fan) but it ended up being the best triple threat I had ever seen. However, Angle/Orton/Rey was good but very underwhelming. Then add in the fact that they did a triple threat last year, I think we could do without it. Although, I'm happy for Show getting a big match on the card and it actually helps spice it up since Edge/Cena has been done a lot.
I guess I sound like I'm on the fence but those are just my thoughts. I think both main events will be fine, if not memorable which is what they should be for an event like Mania 25.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on March 05, 2009 at 11:00 AM
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