The Importance of…03.13.09: Wrestlemania XVII
Posted by Mike Chin on 03.13.2009
More than a few of us would argue that Wrestlemania XVII was the greatest Wrestlemania of all time. But, looking back, what made it important? Plus, thoughts on the rumored diva battle royal at Wrestlemania XXV.
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Call me crazy, but I'm excited about the rumored diva battle royal at Wrestlemania. And not just for pervy reasons--I think this has the potential to be a really fun match, not so different from the gimmick battle royal at... you know, Wrestlemania 17. No, it won't be resemble anything good from a technical standpoint, but this is all about nostalgia. And with that in mind, I'm really hoping WWE have the class to include not only its own stars of the past (Trish Stratus, Lita and Sunny are toward the top of my list...), but outsiders as well. Missy Hyatt and Beulah McGillicutty come to mind as some off-beat choices I'd be really excited to see. Even more interesting would be the inclusion of some of the old cast-offs like Alundra Blayze or even Chyna. I'm not holding my breath, but such additions would absolutely take a fun concept up to the next level, to become aspectacle that's truly worth remembering.
On to our regular column...
By 2001, Wrestlemania was thoroughly established as the biggest show on the wrestling calendar—a time when stars would be made, memorable moments would happen, and the fans would, more often than not, get their money's worth for watching. In 2001, WWF went a long way toward reinventing Wrestlemania. Rebounding off of the relatively unmemorable Wrestlemania XVI, the company went on to put on what was quite arguably the greatest Wrestlemania—if not the great show—of all time in Wrestlemania XVII.
Wrestlemania XVII was headlined by a red hot match up of The Rock against Steve Austin. This marked a rare occasion when the exact same two performers would headline a second ‘Mania, and yet, the match felt as fresh as the first contest. Perhaps it's because the two had not squared off for years. Perhaps it's because they went into this show with somewhat redefined characters—the company's two biggest faces, going head to head. Perhaps it's the fact that these two men had an absolutely incomparable ability to work a crowd from the mic perspective, and good enough in-ring skills to back up what they had to say. Roll all of this into one program, set a montage of it to Limp Bizkit's "My Way or the Highway" and you had one of the most anticipated Mania main events ever. And what's more, the match delivered—full of action, drama, and an unthinkable finish as Stone Cold not only turned heel, but aligned himself with his arch-rival, Mr. McMahon. But more on that later.
There was much more to Wrestlemania XVII than a marquee main event. After all, this card also featured TLC II—one of the greatest ladder matches of all time between three of the greatest teams of all time in Edge and Christian, the Hardys and the Dudleys. From Edge's spear off a ladder, to one of Jeff Hardy's greatest dives, this was an insane spotfest, featuring a group of guys who were talented enough to work the spots around a coherent match. What's more, each team's mascot get involved as Spike, Lita and Rhyno got mixed up in the action, providing additional drama, and keeping the frenetic pace of the match up while the participants got to steal a few breathers. Simply awesome stuff.
From the ultimate ‘hardcore'-style match, to best in pure wrestling, Wrestlemania XVII also featured a fine showing between Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle. While the two had better matches, this one was nothing to sneeze at, and demonstrated that without stipulations or plunder, two of the business's great athletes and storytellers could put on a fantastic traditional performance.
Of course, some performers needed a little plunder to get along. While I'm not the biggest fan of the sort of insane overbooking many associate with the Attitude era, the Shane McMahon-Vince McMahon showdown may have been a perfect example of how to make overbooking work for you. While not awful performers, neither McMahon was about to put on a technical classic. However, given the right stipulations and the right supporting cast, they put on one hell of a memorable performance. There was Mick Foley, the crowd pleasing legend, there to keep things honest. There was Trish Stratus, long abused by Vince, and worse off yet, Linda McMahon, in a comatose state. And then there was manipulative, jealous Stephanie McMahon, there to cheer on her father. What followed was one of the wildest spectacles in wrestling history with swerves galore, as Trish stood up for herself against Vince and Steph, Linda got the last laugh on her husband, and Shane-O-Mac debuted his coast-to-coast move to put his father down for good. All of this against the back drop of not only a family feud, but a titanic struggle for power as Shane had, kayfabe, just purchased WCW out from under his dad's nose.
Let's not forget that this show also featured the fun of the gimmick battle royal and the Big Show-Kane-Raven hardcore title match, plus a wild marquee brawl between Triple H and The Undertaker, and the climax of programs between Chris Jericho and William Regal, and Chyna and Ivory. When it came to blow-offs, big moments and matches that delivered, this show was absolutely unparalleled.
And so, we return to the closing image of this show—Steve Austin and Vince McMahon toasting one another, beers and championship gold in hand. In this moment, the WWF was capping off not just a great show or a great year, but a great era for the company. In winning the Monday Night Wars—buying WCW—the WWF had won, and the Attitude Era was all but finished. And so, there Austin and McMahon stood, iconic figure and owner, celebrating not only in kayfabe, but no doubt in reality, because they had won the greatest victory possible—that for supremacy in the wrestling world. In a card full of marquee match-ups, and outstanding drama, it's hard to think of a more fitting way to cap it all off. From a kayfabe perspective, this is an aberration, as one of the strikingly few unhappy endings to a Wrestlemania. But in reality, this probably ranks as high as any Hogan title celebration, or Benoit and Guerrero embrace as one of the most fitting and fulfilling moments in wrestling history. For that point alone, there's no denying that this was one of most important Wrestlemanias ever.
That's all for this column. Next week, The Importance of… continues its road to Wrestlemania. We take a look at the importance of Wrestlemania XX. See you in seven.
This show was top to bottom awesome, and still holds up to this day.
Posted By: Ant-LOX (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 03:40 PM
Wrestlemania 17 is easily the most overrated PPV of all time. Where do I start? First, the build. Outside of the main event, Shane vs. Vince, and maybe a few others, the build for this show was terrible. Triple H - Undertaker, Benoit vs. Angle, and Test vs. Eddy were literally thrown together 2 weeks before the show! Most of the other matches (Jericho-Regal, Chyna-Ivory, tag match) were shorter than the Iron Sheik's entrance during the Gimmick Battle Royal. Turning Austin was one of the worst decisions the E has ever made. With the Rock going to Hollywood, it left the company with no top babyface for the first time since Hogan left in '93. Don't get me wrong, this was a good PPV overall, but the greatest of all time? Not a chance.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Before 6-24-07, WMXX would rank as the 2nd most important Mania (Behind X-Seven obviously!)...
Now... it's just another Mania... that lasted 1 hour too long and had MANY ridiculous matches (BOTH 4 Team Tag title Matches, Goldberg vs Lesnar, The "Evening Gown" match... and whatthe heck... I'll throw in Victoria vs Molly because 4:53 is NOT enough time for 2 of the most talented ladies to step into a ring) XX DID have its fair share of good matches too - Guerrero/Angle, Christian/Jericho and Evolution/Rock & Sock were fine... as was the Triple Threat Main featuring HHH/HBK/***oit
Posted By: XX (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Song is just called "My Way"
Posted By: Adam (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 05:31 PM
The day after marked the first day of the downfall of wrestling. That is where the decline all began, and hasn't recovered to this day.
Posted By: Joe Mastronardo (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 05:51 PM
Goddamn, Trish Stratus is hot.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 05:58 PM
"Wrestlemania 17 is easily the most overrated PPV of all time. Where do I start? First, the build. Outside of the main event, Shane vs. Vince, and maybe a few others, the build for this show was terrible. Triple H - Undertaker, Benoit vs. Angle, and Test vs. Eddy were literally thrown together 2 weeks before the show!"
The HHH vs Taker feud started the Raw after No Way Out... Eddie/Test was probably about 3 weeks build while yes Angle/Benoit was announced at the last minute. Other than that all the matches had a very big build- Chyna vs Ivory was 5 months and you could argue that TLC 2 had been building for months too.
"Most of the other matches (Jericho-Regal, Chyna-Ivory, tag match) were shorter than the Iron Sheik's entrance during the Gimmick Battle Royal."
Y2J vs Regal was 7 minutes while the Iron Shiek's was on screen for his entrance for about 20 seconds. Ivory vs Chyna was short to show how dominant Chyna.
"Turning Austin was one of the worst decisions the E has ever made. With the Rock going to Hollywood, it left the company with no top babyface for the first time since Hogan left in '93."
Besides Taker, Kane, Y2J and Benoit...
"Don't get me wrong, this was a good PPV overall, but the greatest of all time? Not a chance."
Well that's just an opinion really. It's the greatest PPV I have ever seen with 3 great matches (TLC, Angle/Benoit, Main Event)and everything else being very enjoyable too.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 06:20 PM
go to hell Bob (Guest)
Posted By: honkey hogan (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:12 PM
This Wrestlemania was/and is the Greatest Wrestlemania of all time!
from beginning to end, top to bottom, from every title match to every filler match this PPV just ROCKED!
wether it was good luck or good booking idk, but either way the end results was about 4 hours of the best wrestling show ever.
anyone that thinks otherwise is either a jackass or just bull$hitting theirselfs into hating it.
Posted By: Jake (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:13 PM
Hindsight is fantastic, hey Bob?
Posted By: TAT (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:17 PM
i've got to say as far as importance, i'd go with either I or XVII.
but as far as the best goes... i've gotta say XIX.
angle/lesnar
michaels/jericho
hogan/mcmahon
the rock/austin III
hhh/booker t(not the greatest i know)
undertaker vs. big show/a-train(pretty bad i know)
rhino/benoit vs. team angle vs. los guerreros (wcw-style overbooking at it's finest)
it's the event that marked the first wwe appearance for bill goldberg. it gave us stone cold's last match and the rock's last great match. it also delivered us THE GREATEST BOTCH OF ALL-TIME. and i say that because, if their is one time you could pick to have that NOT happen to one of your performers, it occured at that exact moment...the closing minutes of wrestlemania. i kid you not, i thought that brock lesnar was either dead or paralyzed. but it still had a happy ending, with a rare moment where the final 2 combatants embrace.
anyway, i decided to go into a speel about XIX, but i could've done the same for the previous five 'manias.
Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:48 PM
"Wrestlemania 17 is easily the most overrated PPV of all time. Where do I start? First, the build. Outside of the main event, Shane vs. Vince, and maybe a few others, the build for this show was terrible. Triple H - Undertaker, Benoit vs. Angle, and Test vs. Eddy were literally thrown together 2 weeks before the show! Most of the other matches (Jericho-Regal, Chyna-Ivory, tag match) were shorter than the Iron Sheik's entrance during the Gimmick Battle Royal. Turning Austin was one of the worst decisions the E has ever made. With the Rock going to Hollywood, it left the company with no top babyface for the first time since Hogan left in '93. Don't get me wrong, this was a good PPV overall, but the greatest of all time? Not a chance."
Great points in your post but I have to disagree with you on it not being the greatest show ever. Just curious...what's your choice for best PPV ever?
Posted By: Geoff (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 08:44 PM
uhh there is NOTHING important about Wrestle Mania 20 at all. Except for Eddie/Angle and the Triple Threat, this PPV is crap.
Posted By: Guest#1719 (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 08:47 PM
BEST. WRESTLEMANIA. EVER.
WrestleMania XVII is the WrestleMania by which all others are judged, and not to many come close to measuring up. Even the weaker matches on the card were watchable and VERY entertaining, and the Gimmick Battle Royal was filled with nostalgia.
Angle VS "He Who Must Never Be Named"? Easily **** and the start of an EXCELLENT technical wrestling feud that lead to EVEN BETTER MATCHES in the coming months/years (in fact, I was fortunate enough to see their Royal Rumble 2003 encounter Live).
The McMahon VS McMahon match? Also **** but for an entirely different reason: it was a rare case of OVERBOOKING DONE RIGHT, not to mention Shane-O-Mac's Van Terminator at the end.
Taker/HHH? A ****+ encounter that's VERY EASY to overlook with everything else on the card. In fact, that match may have been the BIGGEST PLAUSIBLE THREAT to Taker's WrestleMania Streak, as Triple H was an established Main Eventer at that point and the WWE was just starting to make a big deal out of the fact Taker was undefeated at WrestleMania (possibly to set up a Triple H victory).
Tables, Ladders, and Chairs III (and yes, I'm also counting the WM 16 match here)? Almost *****. A more intelligently booked spotfest than the first two Ladder Matches between the Dudleys, Hardys, and Edge/Christian, including run-ins that made sense and added to the chaos. My only gripe here was Edge/Christian (despite how OVER they were) winning AGAIN; one would think that WWE Creative would give one of the OTHER TWO TEAMS the win (preferably the Hardys) in one of those TLC matches.
Thats FOUR ****+ matches, and I haven't even touched the Main Event. Austin/Rock II was a ***** classic, even BEFORE Vince made his way down to ringside and it gradually became evident over the final 5-10 minutes that Austin was turning Heel. Hell, it even took several chairshots to finish off The Rock in the end AFTER he had kicked out of several other potential finishes. Little did we realize then how badly WWE Creative would BOTCH Austin's Heel Turn in the coming weeks/months, let alone how arch-rival Triple H was ALMOST TOO WILLING to go along for the whole thing (instead of turning Face to continue his vendetta against Austin). But for that one night, it didn't matter; Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock TORE THE HOUSE DOWN and stole the show to cap off a WrestleMania FULL of instant classics.
Posted By: Guest#6287 (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 09:34 PM
Bob sucks and Wrestlemania X-7 is AWESOME.
Plus it has Heyman doing amazing commentary. Ooooh yeah!
Posted By: Shady Lurker (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 09:49 PM
"Wrestlemania 17 is easily the most overrated PPV of all time."
I don't think so, what do you consider less overrated than WM 17?
"Triple H - Undertaker, Benoit vs. Angle, and Test vs. Eddy were literally thrown together 2 weeks before the show!"
Yet all 3 matches turned out pretty good
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 09:50 PM
ok Bob, then name a few ppv's that were better.
Posted By: Guest#3526 (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
The thing about wrestlemania xvii is that it lives up to the name. When you hear wrestlemania, you think a wrestling extravaganza. It had everything. Nostalgia with the battle royal, hardcore wrestling with tlc 2 and the triple threat, great pure wrestling matches, a gimmick match between the owner of the company and his son, some fun undercard matches and a main event that was huge, had that big fight feel, with a turn in the end that was surprising (in a kayfabe sense). just excellent.
Posted By: Guest#1123 (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Well i agree with Bob that some matches were thrown in together at last minute..
but almsot all of the matches were awesome. Trips/Taker was easily UT's best WM match at that point and Angle/Benoit was pure awesomeness
Posted By: Moses (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
X7 is still the greatest ppv of all time. The E. will never top it, especially with the current roster.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 11:28 PM
"The HHH vs Taker feud started the Raw after No Way Out... Eddie/Test was probably about 3 weeks build while yes Angle/Benoit was announced at the last minute."
Triple H-Taker started the RAW after No Way Out? That's pretty surprising considering Triple H wasn't even at that RAW. Eddy was actually feuding with Chris Benoit until 2 weeks before Wrestlemania 17 when Eddy-Test and Angle-Benoit were thrown together.
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"Turning Austin was one of the worst decisions the E has ever made. With the Rock going to Hollywood, it left the company with no top babyface for the first time since Hogan left in '93."
Besides Taker, Kane, Y2J and Benoit...
Notice I said TOP babyface. There was no one to carry the company on his back the way Austin and the Rock did during the Attitude era. Taker has never been successful as the top babyface - it didn't work in '94, it didn't work at Wrestlemania 13, and it definitely didn't work in 2001. Kane and Benoit were nowhere near being ready to carry the company and Jericho was still being booked as a midcarder. Turning Austin without having a solid top babyface to take his place was foolish and it led to an immediate downturn in business.
Once again, I don't think Wrestlemania 17 was a bad PPV at all, I just think it is overrated.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Besides Taker, Kane, Y2J and Benoit...
Notice I said TOP babyface. There was no one to carry the company on his back the way Austin and the Rock did during the Attitude era. Taker has never been successful as the top babyface - it didn't work in '94, it didn't work at Wrestlemania 13, and it definitely didn't work in 2001. Kane and Benoit were nowhere near being ready to carry the company and Jericho was still being booked as a midcarder. Turning Austin without having a solid top babyface to take his place was foolish and it led to an immediate downturn in business.
Once again, I don't think Wrestlemania 17 was a bad PPV at all, I just think it is overrated.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM
very well put. i definitely agree with you about the austin hard-turn. a) because it was botched so bad b) this is when benoit and jericho were to finally join the top-tier, instead of occasionally main-eventing. and in hindsight, hey... it didn't work out to well, especially with benoit's neck injury and the fucking terrible invasion angle.
it almost seemed like the wwf was banking on getting a sting, or a goldberg(someone of that calibur).
i too, think it's a tad overrated card-wise. but i still think it's almost untouchable in terms of importance because it was celebration and a culmination of the previous five to six years, burying all of the shit wcw tried to shovel onto the wwf.
but without the austin turn, there might not've been enough room for angle to make the big turn that he had. and without that, angle's legacy might not have been cemented in our heads like it is now, at least not in the same way. with him playing the patriot post-9/11 hero, he needed a foil that only one steve austin could've provided like he did.
i definitely see both sides of the argument. at least bob is voicing his opinion, and providing thesus for his argument instead of posting these oh-so clever comments:
go to hell Bob (Guest)
Posted By: honkey hogan (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Hindsight is fantastic, hey Bob?
Posted By: TAT (Guest) on March 13, 2009 at 07:17 PM
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Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 04:41 AM
LOL. Nobody likes Bob. :)
Posted By: SU_RKO (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 04:54 AM
Sorry kids. You're all wrong. The most important and the greatest WM of all time was ...
WrestleMania III. Aside from a few net' writers, no one really care too much for this mania. Don't get me wrong, XVII was a top five wrestlemania all time, but nothing absolutely nothing can touch Wrestlemania III. Hulk - Andre...the two biggest stars ever, a build that could never be matched or topped again. Steamboat-Savage...the greatest WM match ever. No gimmicks, no stipulations, just two mat giants clashing over the intercontinental heavyweight title. The silverdome, 93,000 fans and a plethra of champions, legends, and hall of famers(monsoon, ventura, piper, bret, santana, Roberts, etc...). march 29th, 1987... the bar was set. Thw WWF(e) truly became the global juggernaut that it is today. Wrestlemania III was truly, BIGGER, BETTER,& BADDER.
Over twenty years later, people still talk about III.In fact thinking about II still brings a smile to my face. Forty, hundreds of years from now if wrestling still exists, people will still be talking about WMIII. The question is will the still be talking about XVIII?
Posted By: bh (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 07:03 AM
Bob Y2J was already over enough to be a main eventer as he had proved with his feuds with HHH and Rock in the past. Benoit was getting there too and had it not been for his neck injury he easily would been viewed as a viable title contender.
You say Austin turning heel left a massive void of faces, but had he not turned there would have been no top heels either. HHH was a main event heel sure while Angle was about level with Y2J in terms of overness.
Had Austin stayed face we would have had Austin vs Angle and Austin vs HHH all the way up until the InVasion. Instead we got Austin feuding with Benoit, Taker, Kane and Y2J in addition to a minor feud with the Hardy Boyz.
Had he not turned and HHH still gone down with an injury goodness knows what would have happened. Also Austin's heel turn was VERY entertaining and his backstage skits with Angle and Vince were hilarious. Any turn that results in Austin and Angle wearing cowboy hats and playing guitars is fine with me.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Bob...you're a negative smarky-assed idiot. Shut up. WM 17 was awesome.
Posted By: Shut up Bob (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 03:02 PM
1) HHH/Taker was absolutely NOT thrown together two weeks before the show. That's flat out wrong. They had weeks and weeks of build on both Raw and Smackdown starting with Hunter saying he'd beat everybody, Taker responding that he hadn't beat him, and then it goes from there with the Stephanie restraining order and Taker getting split open and Hunter destroying his bike. Have you seen the show?
2) You absolutely cannot blame this show for the poor booking that followed it. Austin's heel turn was never explained, and that pissed me off, but to this day I think the turn was the right idea. It was absolutely shocking and it led to some of the finest work of Austin's career. But the real point is, how can you blame X7 for the business going to shit AFTERWARDS?
3) I think we're all still waiting on Bob to actually name a show better than this one. I won't hold my breath. It sounds more like petulant bitching against a universal opinion. Remember that guy who bitched about Savage/Steamboat in the III review? It's the same thing here. It just bothers him that everybody likes something, for whatever reason.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 03:54 PM
Oh, and as for the "no top babyface left" theory...I take it you never wanted to ELEVATE people to that spot again? Just leave it for Austin and Rocky until the day they both died? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 03:59 PM
My ratings for wrestlemania X-seven are as follows:
IC title:[**3/4]
6 man tag:[*]
HC title:[**]
Euro title:[**1/2]
Benoit/Angle:[****1/4]
Women Title:[DUD]
Shane/Vince:[***]
TLC:[****1/4]
Gimmick B/R:[N/R]
HHH/Taker[***]
World Title:[****3/4]
Neck and Neck with GAB 89 for best ever.
Posted By: COTD (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 05:19 PM
Tim, I never said turning Austin heel left a "massive void of faces", I simply said that there was no one to take his place as the TOP babyface. Jericho was certainly popular at that time but he couldn't carry the company as the top babyface in terms of merchandise sales, buyrates, ratings, etc. the way Austin and the Rock did. If you still think otherwise then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on March 14, 2009 at 07:11 PM
To Bob:
I agree that Austin's heel turn and Rock's hiatus left a void in the top face spot.
What I think you're missing here though is that with the WWF having just won the War with WCW, Vince could AFFORD to take the risk of elevating new guys to the top.
With WCW no longer being a threat and WWE being the 'only game in town' why NOT take the risk?
Did you REALLY think that not having Austin or Rocky as the top face/s was gonna hurt them that much?
Even if some of WWE's business declined(not so sure how dramatically it did.) they weren't gonna go under because of it.
Bottom Line: They took some chances, some worked and some didn't.
Like "The REAL MP" just said, they couldn't just rely SOLELY on Rock and Austin to carry the company forever.
By the end of 2001, Austin was beaten down and becoming more pissed off backstage by the minute and Rock was already slowly starting to make the transition to Hollywood.
That was all happening mere MONTHS after WM 17. Not years, MONTHS. The future hit them sooner than we all thought it would.
Who here knew that Rock and Austin BOTH would be gone by the summer of 2002? ...that's what I thought. I didn't, you didn't, nobody did.
Had they not elevated guys like Jericho, Benoit, and Angle and put them along side veterans like Taker and Triple H, Vince would have had NO ONE to carry the company in the post Rock/Austin era.
To me Vince's decision to turn Austin heel, therefore leading to several new oppotunities for other guys to step up and start being the future of the company was a GREAT decision.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe that was Vince's plan all along?
Posted By: SU_RKO (Guest) on March 15, 2009 at 04:46 AM
It's either:
WRESTLEMANIA X-SEVEN
or
WRESTLEMANIA 17
There is no need for the overuse of roman numerals!
Posted By: Noel Edmonds (Guest) on March 15, 2009 at 09:36 AM
TOP FACES
Everyone is talking about how Austin's turn left no top faces, which is correct but you guys are forgeting a very key point. Austin's turn led to an alliance with HHH, which was suppose to help create a new top face. If you remember at the time HHH & Austin went on to fued with 'Taker & Kane, Benoit & Jericho, and a few battles with the Hardy's that would likely have been more if it were not for the injury to HHH. I believe the idea at the time was to create this unstoppable heel duo and throw different face combinations at them to see who sticks at the top of the card.
As a few people pointed out they just bought WCW, there was no worries that if one of the new faces didn't sell fans would leave for WCW. And remember the original plan was for WCW to be a seperate brand, not for an invasion.
I think what it all really comes down to is the HHH quad injury. I think if that did not happen when it did we would have seen the fued between HHH/Austin & Jericho/Benoit reach a logical conclusion at the King of the Ring (i realize Benoit got hurt here but I think the HHH injury was more important in the long run) and maybe a brief fued with the Hardy's after that. From there they could have given Angle and a returning Rock a shot to take down HHH & Austin, and the WWE could go back and see who took advantage of thier time at the top the most. And don't forget Austin's turn was set up to end in a major fued between Austin & HHH.
Posted By: RVD 4:20 (Guest) on March 15, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Wrestlemania 3 was the greatest of all time. From top, to bottom, the card was exciting and the crowd made the event even JUST THAT MORE exciting.
Posted By: Wrestlemania3 (Guest) on March 15, 2009 at 07:07 PM
"And so, we return to the closing image of this show—Steve Austin and Vince McMahon toasting one another, beers and championship gold in hand. In this moment, the WWF was capping off not just a great show or a great year, but a great era for the company. In winning the Monday Night Wars—buying WCW—the WWF had won, and the Attitude Era was all but finished. And so, there Austin and McMahon stood, iconic figure and owner, celebrating not only in kayfabe, but no doubt in reality, because they had won the greatest victory possible—that for supremacy in the wrestling world."
Great point. I didn't realize it before but I now think this could be why they turned Austin that night. Just to have the image of he and Vince celebrating together in the ring as a message to WCW that they screwed up losing Steve Austin and that Vince had won the war. Something I NEVER thought of but I believe now that was the reason for the heel turn that night.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on March 16, 2009 at 12:49 PM
IC title:[**3/4]
6 man tag:[*1/2]
HC title:[**]
Euro title:[**1/2]
Benoit/Angle:[****1/4]
Women Title:[DUD]
Shane/Vince:[***]
TLC:[****1/4]
Gimmick B/R:[N/R]
HHH/Taker[***3/4]
World Title:[****3/4]
HHH/Taker was better the 2nd time around.
Posted By: COTD (Guest) on March 17, 2009 at 04:57 PM
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