Forgotten Favorites 03.19.09: WrestleMania XVII - Test vs. Eddie Guerrero
Posted by Jim Grimm on 03.19.2009
This week's column is a tribute to Test's memory, featuring a bout for the European Title on the grandest stage of them all!
Welcome back, wrestling fans. You made a wise choice by clicking on this column. Not only will you be thoroughly entertained and informed, but you'll also be that much closer to everybody's (least) favorite 411 columnist.
And so you're thinking, "Will my (least) favorite 411 columnist use the same intro again?"
And so I'm thinking, yes. Goes like this:
The evil master of wrestling history, who rules from his titanic towers of evil, takes great joy in robbing his followers of cherished memories. He has even gone so far as to wave his billion-dollar wand on more than one occasion in an attempt to completely erase particular pockets of time. Well, we, the people, have refused to stand for such injustices, and as a result, I have been called upon to right the wrongs of time.
Last week the wrestling world was taken aback by the tragic passing of Test. While he hasn't made any serious waves in the last few years, Test's early career had him marked as a future star of the business. A former Tag Team, Hardcore, European, and Intercontinental Champion, Test had a long line of credentials that many thought would eventually turn into a run in the main events. Unfortunately, his career never reached the level that many thought it would.
This week I want to take the time to focus on one of the most significant matches of Test's career while also taking a look at what could have been.
I wish it wasn't happening under these circumstances, but nevertheless, let's enjoy some great wrestling.
WrestleMania XVII - April 1, 2001 WWE European Championship
Test vs. Eddie Guerrero
HOW IT WENT DOWN
On the January 22nd, 2001 edition of Raw, Test defeated William Regal to claim the coveted WWE European Championship. For any fans who may be unfamiliar with the title, the European Championship served as a lower midcard title during a time when the WWE roster was overflowing with wrestlers. Just below the Intercontinental Title in terms of prestige, the European Title was held (mostly) by midcarders that the E wanted to stay relevant yet couldn't place into any higher profile programs at the time. Test's career had been stalling ever since he parted ways with T&A tag team partner Albert, and the European Title was exactly what the big man needed in order to get back on track as a singles competitor.
However, there was one problem for Test: the man he defeated for the title also happened to be the WWE Commissioner. To see a Canadian holding the European Title was sickening enough to William Regal, but to know that he himself had lost the title to a Canadian was just too much. As the Road to WrestleMania continued, Regal was dealing with another Canadian thorn in his side, that being the Intercontinental Champion Chris Jericho. With most of his attention centering on Y2J, Regal handpicked a replacement in the battle against Test, choosing the man he considered the greatest European Champion of all time, (next to Regal himself, of course) Eddie Guerrero.
Eddie, who had been European Champion a year prior, challenged Test for his title on the March 15th edition of SmackDown, unable to wrestle the title away from him. But this was far from the last Test saw of Eddie. Just a couple of weeks later on the Raw before WrestleMania, Eddie served as the special guest referee in a match between Test and X-Pac, a match where a not-so-unbiased Latino Heat helped the one true love of both Chyna and the IWC claim the victory. Days later on SmackDown fans were given a WrestleMania preview when two Mania singles matches were combined into a hell of a tag team contest, featuring Test teaming up with fellow Canadian Chris Benoit to defeat the unlikely pairing of Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle.
And so the stage was set for WrestleMania 17. Defending European Champion Test prepared to put his title on the line in a rematch against Eddie Guerrero. Might we see a, uh, "radical" finish?
Part One
Part Two
WHY IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED
Test was going to be a star. And I'm not saying that because he passed away last week or because he died at such a tragically young age. I'm saying it because at one point in wrestling history, it was true. After his debut as Motley Crue's bodyguard, Test spent his early career as an interchangeable muscle for the Corporation. But once he veered off into babyface territory, his career skyrocketed. His "relationship" with Stephanie McMahon elevated him to another level as a singles name, and in less than a year the Canadian rookie was one of the most over young babyfaces on the roster. He had what many fans consider the best match of his career in a hell of a No DQ encounter with Shane McMahon at SummerSlam '99. Test's star continued to burn brighter and brighter, leading him to the most important match of his career at the time, that being a WWE Title shot against Triple H on the Raw before Survivor Series. And call me crazy, but that November PPV is where Test's moment should have come. He should've left Survivor Series as the WWE Champion.
Now, hear me out. We all know the scheduled main event was HHH defending the WWE Title against The Rock and Steve Austin in a Triple Threat. And we all know that Austin was the victim of a Rikishi hit and run, leading to The Big Show replacing him and actually winning the championship. But what we should also all know is that Test should have been the replacement in that match. Test should have walked out the WWE Champion. When a replacement was needed in the Triple Threat, there was only one man who came to mind for wrestling fans when it came to beef with HHH. There was only one man that we could have assumed the McMahons would have named. And yet... we got The Big Show. Shortly after Survivor Series, HHH would bring a halt to Test and Stephanie's wedding, frequently clashing with the rather large Canadian, all while Big Show defended the WWE Title against arch-nemesis (and ridiculer of death), the Big Bossman. So let me ask you this, wrestling fans: Triple H vs. Test or Big Show vs. Big Bossman? Which feud would've made more sense as a WWE Title feud?
And yet even when WWE passed up its golden opportunity for Test in 1999, they still continued to show a glimmer of hope for the dude. This week's match is proof that the E still saw Test as a viable future star in 2001. The European Championship wasn't absurdly prestigious in 2001 (or, uh, ever), but it at least marked a singles guy that you should be keeping your eye on. Considering Test won the belt so soon after leaving T&A, one would think that WWE knew the potential Test had as a singles guy. This is proven even further by the fact that he entered as a defending champion in a title match at the biggest show of the year. You don't make it to WrestleMania unless the E sees something in you, and you sure as hell don't make it to a WrestleMania title match unless Vinny Mac thinks you have a future. And at that point, Test most certainly did have a future.
Although he had many singles titles to his name, the WWE Championship always eluded the big man.
Another reason for remembrance, one I don't want to dwell on for too long, is that this match is a sobering reminder of just how shitty pro wrestling really is. If, when I watched WM 17 live, you had tapped me on the shoulder and said these two guys would be dead within eight years, there's no chance I would've believed it. And yet, here we are. The worst part is that every time I hear about another wrestling death, I can't help but feel that we as fans are partly responsible. We are the ones that rabidly demand more realistic action. We are the ones who bitch and moan about match quality and physique. I'm not saying that wrestling fans are killing wrestlers, but are we completely innocent?
WHY IT ISN'T REMEMBERED
Well, if you're talking about a stacked card, nine times out of ten you're talking about WrestleMania 17. And, as is usually the case with a stacked card, the lower midcard matches are the ones that are usually passed over and forgotten. While Test and Eddie went out there and gave us a hell of a European Title match, their efforts were hardly comparable to TLC, the brawl between HHH and Undertaker, or the amazingly amazing WWE Title match between Stone Cold and The Rock. This is often called the greatest WrestleMania of all time by fans and with damn good reason. The card was awesome from top to bottom. But an awesome show wouldn't be nearly as awesome without strong support from its midcard, and the European Title match served that role perfectly. Eddie and Test may not have outshone Austin and Rock, but they weren't supposed to. Legacy-wise, WrestleMania belongs to its several main events, but it's matches like the one between Test and Eddie that make it a hell of an event to sit back and enjoy again all the way through.
However, as good a match as it may have been, it was still a match over the European Title. I pride myself on my abundance of unnecessary wrestling knowledge, but even I have trouble with recalling all the specifics of the European Championship. In fact, if fans are to remember this particular match, they're more likely to remember the match itself rather than the fact that it was held for a title. Although I think to forget the European Title's place in the match is an injustice to both the match and its combatants. Any title match being held at WrestleMania is significant, regardless of the significance of the title itself. WrestleMania is made for championship matches, and any wrestlers lucky enough to be involved in WM title matches have achieved a level of success that many workers only dream of. If my memory's holding up, this was Test's only singles title match at a WrestleMania, which is a damn shame. But getting there once is better than never, even if it involves the European Title.
Many classic battles and D'Lo Brown matches were fought for this treasured title.
WILL IT BE REMEMBERED?
Without a doubt. Although fans aren't necessarily watching for this match, fans are still watching WrestleMania 17. Making it onto such a phenomenal card is the best thing that could've happened to this match, because fans will revisit it. My hope is that Test's legacy is not completely forgotten, and that matches like this one will prove that, however jacked up and sluggish he may have been in his last years, he was at one time one of the future stars of wrestling.
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I think that match is from the John Cena dvd that came out in 2004 called Word Life but I'm not sure
Posted By: B~Rad
I don't own the DVD, but from the match listings I'm finding it doesn't appear to be on there. Although it does have the Cena-Taker SmackDown rematch after their Vengeance match, where Cena got the huge upset over the Dead Man.
Sorry to nitpick,but your statement-
"The first was the one on one rematch between Angle and Lesnar at SummerSlam, where Brock tapped out to the Ankle Lock. The following week on SmackDown, Angle defended the title against the Undertaker in yet another classic confrontation between two old rivals."
isn't quite right.The week after Summerslam had a Triple-threat match between Undertaker,Big Show and Brock Lesnar(another forgotten favorite?) ,which Taker won to become the No.1 contender.The Angle-Taker match happened the following week.
Posted By: comment
Indeed you are right. I forgot about that Triple Threat. Good call, sir.
man in 2003 and 04 cena was my fav wrestler. he was cutting sick promos everyweek and for a long time, i had to tune into smackdown just to see what he would do, he had this edge about him that made him stand out, i wish he could regain at the very least some of that edge but what can ya do right? and pl bring back his old word life theme, it was sick
Posted By: COdy
Cena was definitely the highlight of SmackDown for a while there in 2003. He was just different, and you knew the guy was going to be a star. And his music was indeed way better.
This is one of the few columns I make sure to read every week. That was a pretty good match that would be crazy if it happened today. I cant believe Lesnar was only in the 'E for 2 years and got that insane monster push the whole time. But he was a fuckin beast! He had the look, he was a freak athlete with size and speed, he could work, and while not oozing charisma he was decent on the mic (look at the heat he gets in UFC). He was the perfect monster heel. Angle and Lesnar were made to feud and to this day both remain in my top 10 or 15 favorites of all time. Good job on the column-cant wait to see whats next.
Posted By: amusing comments
I find joy in bringing joy to others. Kind of like Santa Claus. Only I bring matches, not presents. And I probably won't break into any of your houses after midnight. And I'm real.
As for Lesnar, the man did amazing things in only two years. His first year was incredible, but the second one was just fucking awesome, and its owed completely to Kurt Angle. Once Brock turned heel in the summer of '03, everything he did was pure gold. Awesome matches and awesome heat generated.
might have been a UK exclusive release from silver vision called "Smackdown's greatest matches".
i've seen that generic date come up in the corner before, at the start of the edge-chris jericho cage match i think
Posted By: DaJ
Damn UK exclusive releases. Damn them.
TURN CENA HEEL!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH HE'S SOOOO BORING AS A FACE
Posted By: Guest#7356
Amen, brudda. Heel Cena was pure excitement. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he's boring now, but he certainly is boring in comparison to what he used to be.
While I don't cheer the man, this is why I don't hate him. Cena was AWESOME back in 2003 / 2004! Blame WWE creative for taking away our John Cena and giving us what he is now. I highly recommend his first DVD for the promos.
Posted By: Word LIfe
Sometimes when he's making poop jokes or causing an arena to emit a high-pitched squeal, I can feel the hate rising up. But then, much like you, I remind myself that there was a time when the man ruled the planet, and for this I am willing to forgive him. Like you said, fans upset with Cena's character should hate WWE's creative staff, not the man himself.
Really digging that Cubs shirt/jersey thing. This is our year.
While the late '02/early '03 SmackDown Six period is generally revered as the high point of televised wrestling, mid-late '03 SmackDown wasn't far below it with the additions of Lesnar, Rhino, Tajiri, Cena, and even Undertaker. That Angle/Taker match is definitely a lost classic as is the Lesnar/Benoit match that debuted the Brock Lock.
Early Cena was a thing to behold. I vividly remember attending a SmackDown just before SummerSlam '03 and marking my brains out for him, throwing up the original "too much metal for one hand" sign. Here was a guy who was legitimately clever and clearly had "it," and we were seeing him on WWE TV every week before he was a star. The PG shift is unfortunate for him cos he could easily be a Rock-like babyface instead of having to dumb himself down. Can't really blame him, though. He can only work with what he's given.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce
SmackDown was all kinds of awesome between 2002 and 2003, as we've covered numerous times in this article. I strongly advise anyone to check out that Angle/Taker match, which is actually featured on the Tombstone three-disc set that WWE released a few years ago. Even more lost is a phenomenal match between those two a year prior on the July 4th SmackDown, when an Undisputed Title match went to a very disputed finish.
And indeed, Cena worked miracles in 2003. I was there live for his match with Angle at No Mercy, and I also marked my brains out for the dude. The crowd was complete insanity for that match, since it couldn't decide which man it wanted to cheer on to victory. I remember thinking, "Damn, this dude is over." When I saw him the following summer at a house show, I can remember flashing back to Rock and Austin during his entrance. The crowd was that into him at a house show. In fact, he actually went on in the main event against Angle (again), while a JBL-Undertaker WWE Title match was on the undercard. Dude was fucking over.
When he has an actual DVD bio released, there will be a "shit ton" of matches from that era. My Life was less foccussed on his actual wrestling and more about him as a person (cars, sneakers, bodybuilding). Wait a year or two, and there will be an awesome 3-disc Cena DVD with a 2-hour bio program, hours of promos, and loads of great matches... just like this Savage DVD they got coming out.
Posted By: Dink
You may be right, and I may be crazy. I haven't seen either of Cena's DVDs, simply because the match listings have looked so horrendously weak. And I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that. So given that, you'd figure WWE has to put out a respectable Cena DVD at some point.
this taker was my favorite. he wasnt a zombie or a mortician.
he was an butt kicking, super submitting badass.
Posted By: rey
Sometimes I think that the classic Dead Man isn't so ridiculous. But then I think about him teleporting out of a casket and his spirit rising over an arena. Or his "But check out my powers!" showdown with Kane. Or when he magically collapsed the ring and entered the arena on a horse-drawn carriage. These are the times when the American Badass is also my favorite Taker.
Damn, that video makes the Cena/Taker feud look like nothing short of pure destillated awesomeness!
Posted By: Mikael
Oh, and it was. It was.
yea heel cena was way better.didn't he beat taker on smackdown one time?
Posted By: Guest#1484
Yep. It's the match featured on the Word Life DVD. Happened shortly after Vengeance.
I actually miss Takers 2002 run... he seemed to be in better shape than the previous year and played this kind of tweener role most the year and was having kick ass matched with everyone... especially Brock and Angle.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash
The tweener character is what made him such a badass. If you stood in his way of being WWE Champion (or anything he wanted, for that matter), you were subject to an ass-kicking. His feud with Flair (and subsequent WrestleMania 18 match) is one of my favorite stories in wrestling history. Awesome stuff.
they have to bring biker taker back ASAP...
Posted By: JJ
The people have spoken, Vince.
The funny thing to think about is how much more money WWE could be making with Cena if they kept him the way he was. No one will argue Cena is on Austin's level. He isn't. The only reason his merch is on par with Austin is because of inflation and the fact that there's about 80,000 different pieces of Cena merch compared to the few dozen pieces of merch Austin had at any given time 10 years ago. But the thing about Austin is that he sold merch to both the kids and their parents. You'd see an 8 year-old and a 28 year-old wearing the Austin 3:16 shirt. You only see the 8 year-olds wearing Cena merch today. WWE shot itself in the foot by going kid friendly. Cena could have been an even bigger cash cow had he retained the edge. People like anti-heroes, plain and simple.
Posted By: Guest#9301
You could be right, but I don't think WWE is looking at it that way. Cena's not the only star that they're bringing in the kids with. Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, and even internet darling CM Punk are all to blame as well. With so many kid-friendly stars on the roster (regardless of their ability to appeal to a mature audience as well), WWE probably feels it makes the most economic sense to cash in on the kids while they can. Within five or so years, these kids will be in high school and hating their parents. That's when WWE makes the turnaround and goes back to a more adult-themed program. These kids will grow up and realize Cena is unbearably lame, and that's when he'll turn heel and become their anti-hero. At least that's my theory.
It doesn't make the current programming any easier to watch though.
The crazy thing about Cena is that he was an amazing heel. I remember a rap he did on an episode of Smackdown when he was feuding with Eddie Guerreo when he was in Guerreo's hometown of El Paso, and by the time he was done the crowd legitimately looked like it was about to start a riot just so they could get their hands on him. Too bad he isn't allowed to use that skill anymore, and is forced to read from a script.
Posted By: Guest#3962
I strongly advise anyone who wasn't watching SmackDown at the time to go on YouTube immediately and search for as many old Cena raps as possible. These raps were definitely not meant to appeal to children.
Biker taker was much better than zombie taker, but unfortunately, we won't see that taker again due to the PG audience. The biker gimmick wouldn't work in that type of atmosphere.
Posted By: Butters4Prez
I think it could work, but it just wouldn't work as well. Zombie Taker is like an invulnerable superhero to the younger audience. Kids would either dislike or be indifferent to Biker Taker. Undertaker is over in a big way with a wide variety of fans, but a lot of those fans are the same young ones that are screaming their lungs out for Cena. As always, it comes down to which way WWE can make the most money, and at this point in wrestling, Zombie Taker is the way to go.
Dang! Those spills over the top rope from Angle and Lesnar were sick!
I agree that the American Badass should return, but is he WWEPG material?
Posted By: Armitage Shanks
The tweener Badass Taker isn't so PG, but the strictly babyface one could work. When he had his long-haired Badass run through 2000 and 2001, he wasn't so majorly un-PG.
I'll tell you what was really ridiculous about the feud between Cena and Taker
It involved Billy Gunn, the wrestling world's biggest punchline (aside from non-wrestlers) getting a win over JOHN FUCKING CENA!
Posted By: Lance Stratton
In order to determine the biggest star in wrestling, we must now have a match between the two guys who have defeated the previously-assumed biggest star in wrestling. WrestleMania XXV - The One Billy Gunn vs. Kevin Federline. Book it.
Great article Jim. I'll be back for more next week.
Posted By: Probes
Damn right you'll be back! Wait ... actually this is next week. So, uh ... damn right you are back?
was paul heyman still booking smackdown at this point?
Posted By: bluenoserob
I don't believe so, but I can't say that for sure. I think they took him off midway through 2003 but I could be way off on that.
The funny thing to think about is how much more money WWE could be making with Cena if they kept him the way he was. No one will argue Cena is on Austin's level. He isn't. The only reason his merch is on par with Austin is because of inflation and the fact that there's about 80,000 different pieces of Cena merch compared to the few dozen pieces of merch Austin had at any given time 10 years ago.
Posted By: Guest#9301 (Guest)
Just remember this logic when you idiots claim that Austin outdid Hogan.
Posted By: Lance Terwilliger
From what I understand, Austin did outdo Hogan as far as the numbers go, even with inflation and varieties of merchandise taken into account. But we've yet to see anything official from WWE (and likely never will). As for now, the best we can do is speculate and call each other idiots. Just remember this logic when you idiots claim that Hogan outdid Austin.
Like Cena, Quackenbush tries too hard to be funny when he's fairly generic and no one would realize if he was gone.
Posted By: Breaking Rites
I don't know if you're referring to an indy wrestler or not, but since indy wrestling is completely meaningless to me, I am unable to comment.
"But, my people of the anti-Cena movement, I tell you that the man was not always this bad!"
So? The key here is the past tense. There was also a time when HHH was the ICW's most beloved darling. There was also a time when the Ultimate Warrior was the uber-face of the WWF. There was also a time when SCSA was a vanilla midcarder called "The Ringmaster" who would job to Marc Mero... Do I have to go on?
Posted By: Guest#6433
I'm not sure what your point is other than the fact that time is linear and people change over the course of linear time. My point was that people shouldn't hate John Cena the man because he is clearly capable of being entertaining. It's the E that has corrupted him.
Promo-wise, John Cena was much more entertaining back in the day. However, his matches were sometimes downright BRUTAL. His promos may kinda suck now, but at least his matches are good.
Posted By: Guest#3705
I wouldn't call his 2003 matches brutal, but I'm with you 100% on his matches today being better by leaps and bounds. I'm personally not a fan of Cena's character, but I always trust him to deliver inside the ring.
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Alright guys, that'll do it for this week. Next week we'll get back to the regular format with a little more focus on the match itself. For this week I was more focused on remembering what Test had to offer to wrestling fans, along with the great potential he had that WWE never seemed to fully tap.
Let me know what you guys think. Am I giving Test too much credit? Am I not giving him enough? Let your voice be heard.
Until next time, keep the comments and discussion going. And try to stay safe and out of jail.
Andrew Martin was a midcarder at best and nothing more.
He was just another generic big man like Kevin Nash minus The Kliq Connection.
So to me he was just pushed the right way.
The european title has zero meaning in the history of both the WWF/E and pro wrestling.
It's just a poor old man's version of the Intercontinental One.
Posted By: Damn Right ! (Guest) on March 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Great column! I felt Test was very underrated through 2000-2001. RIP Test
Posted By: Paul London is Free aka This Guy (Guest) on March 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM
I didn't see much of test until 2001 , thats when i got into wrestling again after a couple year hiatus, but from what I saw he had what it took to be viable interchangeable main eventer like JBL or big show. Its a shame he didn't get there. When he was brought back for ecw i thought he could be a mainstay main event player on that brand, unfortunalty his poor choices led to his release. Its always sad to hear a death in wrestling, something I love so dearly, RIP Test, lets pray you are the last of the young deaths in wrestling.
Posted By: Cody (Guest) on March 18, 2009 at 11:10 PM
You know what? You make a very good point, No one at that time aside from the Rock and Austin had a bigger grudge against The Game than Test since he had been on the receiving end of a broken nose and attacks from the reformed DX. He was in his best condition at that time and was over with the crowd thanks to his feud with Shane. Him being Austin's replacement and winning the belt at Survivor Series instead of Big Show who could've had his match with Bossman at Armageddon anyway could've worked out well. HHH drugs Steph and marries her like they do originally to get back at him taking what he believes should be his the belt. Test puts the belt up on the line at Armageddon against him with the stipulation being if he won The Game would agree to divorce Steph and never bother him or her again after Armageddon. At the event Stephanie is in the crowd and when Test comes out she gives him a kiss for good luck. The two engage in a wild no holds brawl with Stephanie watching in the crowd nearly driven to tears at the brutal beating each man giving one another with both men spilling blood. You could have her come out of the stands and HHH nearly threaten her with a chair only for Test seeing her in Danger to attack and with HHH down on the mat pleading with Test who is looking down at him prepared to bring a sledgehammer down upon him and end it once and for all with Stephanie behind him. She then reveals she is a Bitch in Sheep's clothing all along and kicks him in the groin from behind and HHH takes advantage and gets the win and reveal that the entire thing was a setup between them all along the next night on raw.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Yeah, but if Big Show hadn't won at Survivor Series, we would have been denied great poetry like, "If I was your daddy, I'd wanna die too!" and great visuals like Big Show RIDING HIS FATHER'S COFFIN! Now, that's a memory!
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:06 AM
I remember that time when Test was red hot in his storyline with Stephanie. I was sure he was ready for bigger and better things but then his push came to a halt. Part of me still wonders if HHH was responsible behind the scenes for killing his push. What a shame and what a loss if he was. Test could have been a huge star if they ran with him.
Posted By: rudey (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Honestly, the only reason why I remember this match are the two botches in the match.
1) Test getting his foot stuck in between the ropes shown in the clip above.
2) Not shown in the clip above, Eddie tripped and fell while exiting the ring.
I believe Saturn had to help out Test as well.
Posted By: bluedragonx (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:45 AM
"Damn UK exclusive releases. Damn them."
Not to gloat or anything, but the UK exclusive 'Tagged Classics' (two old PPVs in one box) just hit 2000, so we just got the ability to buy No Way Out and Backlash 2000 in DVD quality.
And in a few weeks, we get Judgment Day and Fully Loaded too.
Posted By: The Hawk (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 04:38 AM
While this is a good Test match, I think you should have done the column on his streetfight with Shane McMahon at SummerSlam 1999. That was his best match, and also one that no one ever talks about.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 07:03 AM
Great match, Test was on his way to being a star, it's an awful shame he was cut short originally it's harder to gain that momentum.
It's a crime too that they let go of Test the 2nd time around and kept a waste of space like Hornswoggle, when will WWE realize he's like flushing money down a toilet. They could bring back RVD with the money they save canning Hornswoggle.
Posted By: jaked (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 07:24 AM
Anything>The 411Mania Comment Section and its frequent posters
Posted By: Guest#0773 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 08:36 AM
Well there's another thing to look forward to when I get to the 17th installment of my WrestleMania re-watching odyssey leading up to WM XXV. So far I've only just finished XII, but I know I can make it... The question is, am I only going to make it so that I'm even more disappointed with this year's show than I already expect to be?
Posted By: KanyonKreist (Registered) on March 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Best part of this match was immediately after Test missed Saturn by about a mile with the big boot HE KICKED EDDIE GUERRERO'S FACE OFF and you just hear this "Oh-ho!" from Heyman. That was a heavy rewind moment amongst my high school friends.
That '02 Angle/Taker match was when Taker got pinned at the same time Angle tapped, right? If so that truly was an awesome match with an interesting twist to what essentially is a non-finish.
Undertaker's character can definitely cross the line of credibility (sitting up after a finisher: okay, shooting lightning at your brother: not okay) but some of his stuff is awe-inspiring. His hand emerging after the first Buried Alive match had even my wrestling-hating dad admitting it was cool, and his crucifixion of Austin was all kinds of Attitudinal Goodness. But then I think about him elevating to the video screen and talking "from beyond the grave" and I don't know what to believe.
"Not to gloat or anything, but the UK exclusive 'Tagged Classics' (two old PPVs in one box) just hit 2000, so we just got the ability to buy No Way Out and Backlash 2000 in DVD quality.
And in a few weeks, we get Judgment Day and Fully Loaded too."
Goddammit. First you get all the women with the sexy accents (though I guess they're just voices to you) and now this. And your currency doesn't suck.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM
TEST VS SHANE O MAC AT SUMMERSLAM FOR STEPH WAS AN AWESOME MATCH JUST SAYIN
Posted By: james T. (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 02:35 PM
Probably my favorite column on 411. Keep up the excellent work.
Posted By: Fred Richani (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 03:44 PM
Yeah, but if Big Show hadn't won at Survivor Series, we would have been denied great poetry like, "If I was your daddy, I'd wanna die too!" and great visuals like Big Show RIDING HIS FATHER'S COFFIN! Now, that's a memory!
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Those moments happened before Survivor Series...
Posted By: mr_wishart (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Got a big soft spot for 'Tazz vs. Jerry Lawler' from SS 2000
A MAJORLY forgotten favourite, however, is Tommy Dreamer vs. Steve Richards in a Singapore Cane match from Raw (I believe it was 2002.) With the cane smashed over the head ending....
Posted By: mr_wishart (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 03:52 PM
jesus. do we only idolize drug addicts if they are involved in a homo-erotic televison show?
they're dead and thats that. but yet we feel bad for them because they were so stupid that they died young.
Posted By: Guest#9739 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 03:58 PM
I agree it looked as if Test's star was on the rise after his Summerslam match with Shane in 1999. When I look back at that period I was almost certain there was going to be 2 breakout stars, Test being one and the other being D'Lo Brown. The pops those 2 were receiving in that time period were impressive. Remember D'Lo held both the IC and Euro championship going into Summerslam 99.
I was waiting for both of these guys to move onto something bigger but for some reason nothing ever happened.
Posted By: Guest#0449 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 04:30 PM
Test unfortunetly will be forgotten in the annals of time. He was a decent worker but hardly did alot to be remembered long-term wise.
My personal memories of Test:
The Rocks AWESOME 12 days of christmas promo on him... seriously funny stuff.
Shane o vs Test - decent if slightly overrated match
Eddie vs Test - Not really the match just the awesome tilt a whirl into a powerbomb move.
Testicles.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 04:46 PM
I agree with your doing a Test match as a tribute this week. I just would have chosen a different match.
Test vs. Shane from SummerSlam 1999 is his best match by far. It was a fun spotfest at the peak of Test's popularity. Test vs. RVD from ECW would have been a better choice too. RVD himself has called that one of his favorite WWE matches in interviews.
In all honesty, Test vs. Eddie is a forgotten match for a reason. Nice thought, but bad execution for this weeks column.
Posted By: Guest#6161 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Honestly, the only reason why I remember this match are the two botches in the match.
1) Test getting his foot stuck in between the ropes shown in the clip above.
2) Not shown in the clip above, Eddie tripped and fell while exiting the ring.
I believe Saturn had to help out Test as well.
Posted By: bluedragonx (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 12:45 AM
His foot in the ropes is not a botch...they use that in many matches...if it wasn't planned, the ref would've attempted to get him out instantly
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 05:15 PM
You wrote that much about this match without mentioning Perry Saturn's awesome hat? Amazing!
Another great column. Some people don't like this match which I don't understand as it's very good.
You know what's even more of a Forgotten Classic? Test vs Edge at SSeries 02. The last few minutes of that match were brilliant! I actually think that is the best match of Test's career and I'd also go out on a limb and say that it was also the best singes match Edge had up to that point.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 05:28 PM
"Test vs. Shane from SummerSlam 1999 is his best match by far. It was a fun spotfest at the peak of Test's popularity. Test vs. RVD from ECW would have been a better choice too. RVD himself has called that one of his favorite WWE matches in interviews."
But the article is called Forgotten Favorites. The SummerSlam match is very well known and remembered. And while WrestleMania X-Seven is as far from forgotten as you can get, nobody recalls it for Test/Eddie.
"Favorite" is subjective anyway, so we can't go around saying, "X isn't a good match, Y is!" We can call Jim out all day long if he botches the forgotten part, but when it comes to favorites he, and everyone else in the entire world, are untouchable.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 05:35 PM
"And call me crazy, but that November PPV is where Test's moment should have come. He should've left Survivor Series as the WWE Champion."
That is exactly right, and that was the prevailing logic at the time. Remember, the main event at Survivor Series 99 was supposed to be HHH/Rock/Austin, until Austin got run down and had to be replaced. EVERYONE thought it was gonna be Test, and it should've been, but instead it was Big Show, who ended up walking out with the title. I'm not necessarily saying Test should've won the title that night, but him being in the main event with Rock and HHH alone would've put him at least in the upper midcard heading towards main event status.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 05:39 PM
Also, I was there live for the Test/Shane match at Summerslam 99, and the pop Test got after he pinned Shane was 2nd only to Austin's entrance.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 05:51 PM
Andrew Martin was a midcarder at best and nothing more.
He was just another generic big man like Kevin Nash minus The Kliq Connection.
So to me he was just pushed the right way.
The european title has zero meaning in the history of both the WWF/E and pro wrestling.
It's just a poor old man's version of the Intercontinental One.
Posted By: Damn Right ! (Guest) on March 18, 2009 at 11:05 PM
To say that Nash is a generic big man w/o the Kliq is ridiculous. You could say the Kliq helped him become as big as he became, but not generic. He's always been gold on the mic.
As far as Test, I've always felt WWE really dropped the ball w/ him in late-99. I don't know if I would've made him champ, but I do think he should've gotten the Survivor Series match, not Show. Always felt he was kind of underrated and underused til he came back in 06. He was way too big and it just felt like he was a different guy.
Posted By: Bobby (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 06:17 PM
this match was used as my piss match. i hate the astrodome restrooms.
Posted By: Booker T (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 08:18 PM
I always liked Test. Yes he was very similar in style to Nash, but that's a good thing since Nash is long gone from the E. I always winced when Test connected with his Big Boot. It sounded sick as hell.
And as for the European Belt, yes it was never that prestigeous, but the first Hell in the Cell between Taker and HBK was for the European Title, so it does have some distinction.
Posted By: dan (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Hey man,
Great columns so far. Especially this one. I like how you pointed the finger at the fans a little bit. There was some post on 411 right after Test died that was Kelly Kelly mourning the loss of her ex-boyfriend and instead of being sympathetic for her many people here bitched about she didn't use the correct grammer. I think that's the problem with a lot of wrestling fans. For many people wrestling is their outlet to criticize and judge instead of appreciate and accept. After Test got fired from WWE and TNA did anyone give a shit what he was up to? I certainly didn't. I figured he was just roaming around the indies somewhere. I can't imagine what its like to be able to perform in front of thousands of people night after night then three months later, worry about how I'm going to pay rent. Instead of being elitist douchers I think us, as a wrestling community, should remember why we fell in love with the business to begin with instead of judging how sloppy a certain move looks. Professional wrestling has brought me so many moments I'll never forget and I can't tell how much it irrates me that people who call themselves fans who make self-indulgant jokes, poking fun at the wrestlers who died only because they wanted to entertain us and make sure we got our money's worth. Keep up the great work, man!
Posted By: db (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
1999 The Rock, Triple H, Mankind, Steve Austin, The Undertaker.
Test doesn't make the list.
Posted By: Guest#6846 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 09:02 PM
You may not think much of Indy wrestling but you need to watch some Mike Quackenbush. He is a true artist and a wrestling ring is his canvas. You can do no wrong watching and enjoying any match involving Quack.
Posted By: Guest#6317 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 09:19 PM
One thing I remember unfortunately from that match was test getting his leg getting caught in the rope and for some reason being unable to get out and eddie trying to buy time but when he goes outside the ring he falls out of the ring by accident. Classic booper but they don't have it on any release of the ppv for obvious reasons.
Posted By: Guest#6571 (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 09:45 PM
"While this is a good Test match, I think you should have done the column on his streetfight with Shane McMahon at SummerSlam 1999. That was his best match, and also one that no one ever talks about."
Please explain... if it was his best match ever (on a PPV no less), how can you justify the fact it's NOT talked about... it's talked about pretty frequently actually, especially now.
Now then, your column. You raise a great point in that Test COULD have been a major star. When I started to watch WWF, Test was my favourite wrestler because his moveset contained my 2 favourite moves at the time: the full nelson slam and the pump-handle slam. Not only that, but he was involved in a major storyline early in his career. I do think that the WWF missed a great opportunity, as I can freely admit that I cared about him fairly little after the Invasion angle, even if I still liked what he did. That's booking for you though.
...But I digress, as usual, and I think you did as well. I'm definately not going to say that's a bad thing though, because Test's death was a tragedy and a short digression on what could have been is not bad at all, but maybe the two should be separate headings in the column. It's not uncommon and is neater as well as a nice notion.
That out of the way, I agree that the match is good and easily forgettable due to being on a card like WM17. However, I do not believe that it is a solid candidate purely because I don't think the match is really a 'favourite'. That said, it's possible it was also the best choice as I cannot locate my favourite Test match anywhere, that being his match against Edge around 2003... I really can't remember the PPV though.
I still love this article and it is consistently a great read everytime for it's nostalgia, great writing and concise recapping. Great effort Jim.
R.I.P. Test.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Hey man, I love your column.
You should write one about the Owen Hart/British Bulldog match for the European Championship......man, does that match rule, and if it weren't for the 15th Raw Anniversary DVD set, it probably would have been lost in the annals of history
Posted By: IcedNeonFlames (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Even though it was a lower Midcard title,the e wasn't flooded with a load of meaningless titles back then, so being a euro champion had a more prestige then a lot of todays titles, and it really shows off in this great match between one of the greatest of all time and someone who could have been, RIP to both men
Posted By: Solidsnake (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 10:59 PM
And as for the European Belt, yes it was never that prestigeous, but the first Hell in the Cell between Taker and HBK was for the European Title, so it does have some distinction.
Posted By: dan (Guest) on March 19, 2009 at 08:45 PM
If i recall correctly, Shawn's promo before the HIAC explicitly stated that his prestigious European Title wasn't on the line. HIAC was for the #1 contendership to the WWF title.
Posted By: Guest#0610 (Guest) on March 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM
"If i recall correctly, Shawn's promo before the HIAC explicitly stated that his prestigious European Title wasn't on the line. HIAC was for the #1 contendership to the WWF title."
Correct. Though he called it his "coveted European title" and that was only to a) get Hunter to laugh and b) get Bret to further hate him.
In fact, I'm not sure Shawn ever actually defended the European title (on TV at least) between winning it from Davey and "losing" it to Triple H.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 20, 2009 at 01:08 PM
I remember this match. Good match.
Test was always a favorite of mine and I'm sad to see him go. I remmeber watching as a kid and even though he was a heel member of the Corporation he always tsruck as a cool-looking big dude.
RIP Andrew Martin. He used to rock some pretty sweet leather pants back in the day.
Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest) on March 20, 2009 at 02:18 PM