More On The HHH, Randy Orton and John Cena PPV Domination
Posted by Larry Csonka on 07.30.2009
Interesting…
Yesterday it was mentioned that the combination of HHH, Randy Orton and John Cena have in some way faced each other 24 times on PPV, and Summerslam will be 25. Well, here is some more fun with the numbers, courtesy of Shaun Corbett andPwinsider.com:
Even worse than the numbers Tom Robson sent in is that during that time, the three of them have missed almost a combined three years of ring time (I count at least 13 months for Orton, 14 for Triple H, and 7 months for Cena), and only two of the three have been on the same brand for 3 of those 5 years, given the alternating brand PPVs . So that means these numbers are even worse than he reported because presumably if they had all been available more, we would have seen more matches between them.
Showing that I have way too much time on my hands, I went back and looked. In the time frame referenced, there were 51 events with at least two of them on the PPV, and some combination of the three wrestled 28 times on those 51 PPV's. Even worse, and the main reason we are all so tired of combination is that since SummerSlam 2007, there have been 26 eligible PPVs, with 17 matches involving this threesome.
By the way, these numbers get really nasty if you add Shawn Michaels and Batista to the mix. Just using those same 51 PPVs, some mixture of Cena, Orton, Triple H, Shawn Michaels or Batista have wrestled and main- evented on 44 of those 51 shows (actually a lot more since I did not count multiple matches on the same PPV).
im a huge triple h fan and thibnk he ddeserves another title run at the top because he is a natural born leader and he does wwe proud. but i get the picture wwe needs to elevate some new faces damn how long we gonna have to wait until someone else gets a main event spot on RAW huh?!
plus they can cut down on the # of ppv's per year and focus on the big 4 plus a few smallers ones because the whole intrigue and novelty of the ppv is a lost art...a lot seem like extended tv episodes.
Posted By: Ashley Massaro Fanatic (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM
See, the WWE way of thinking is that if the storyline is slightly different, the match must be equally as compelling as it was the last umpteen times the fans had seen it.
This is why in the criticism of MMA, their COO said "MMA doesn't have the stars or storylines" - and thank GOD, because if every PPV the UFC put out was headlined by Frank Mir/Brock Lesnar with a slightly different focus of attention, it wouldn't exist for very long.
They expect us to buy FAR too many PPV's, when they can't possibly vary things enough to make it even nearly viable. Cut down to about 8 PPV's a year, make sure you don't endlessly repeat, and DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM
wow.
Posted By: (guest) (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Umm, buyrates are down because we are in the worse recession in 40 years?
Posted By: WWEFAN (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Buyrates are down I believe more than usual due to the streaming sites... honestly on some streams they can have up to 10,000 people per stream its nuts.
That combination is beyond tiresome.. I remember they did a similar stat thing like this from 1999-2002 and how some combination of Rock/Austin/HHH/Undertaker had headlined virtually all the PPV's between that time period.
Yep it is time for WWE to totally revamp the main event scene.
It's got to the point that no matter how 'good' a match is from a workrate perspective I just can't watch HHH or Cena anymore. Both characters are totally played out.
Guess what we got at least another few months of it:
Orton v Cena at Summerlam, expect Cena to win and Orton to get a rematch at the next PPV.. .and then expect HHH to fight Cena as well.
It is so goddam tiresome!
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:22 AM
All of those men are the most popular guys in wwe
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Can you imagine if you did this with Raw main events? Those three would cover at least 75% the past three years.
Posted By: s1rweeze (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Ahh, where's Monsoon when you need him?
Posted By: Warriorman (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Fuck off with this Bullshit! I guarantee you that everyone bitches about this "combination" but the matches themselves turn out to be GOOD MATCHES!
Posted By: Guest#7685 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I'm not a huge fan of these guys headlining EVERY friggin' event, but, seriously, who else is going to?
They've got CM Punk and Jeff Hardy main eventing for SmackDown! now, and they're trying to move MVP up a little on RAW, but none of those three guys is currently at the level of Cena, Trips, or Orton. Maybe with time, but...
As for Batista, I can't stand that dude, but then I'm not the target audience. 12 year olds are the goal, so, when it comes to WWE, I just have to keep in mind that they're not writing for me.
And they're smarter for that, I think.
Posted By: DoctorMoneyMD (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:32 AM
it's times like this that I wish, hope and pray that WWE reads 411mania.
Posted By: Col (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:35 AM
What would be more interesting would be to see the overall televised matches, as in both PPV and free TV. I'd also be interested to see how many handicap matches there have been on RAW in the last 6 months.
Posted By: KNessJM (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM
How is this any different than when Flair (WCW) and Hogan(WWF) used to be in every main event?
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM
You know what an even more shocking number is?, Michael Cole/King/J.R at least one of these has been in most of those matches to announce! possibly even all of them!
Posted By: Viyrel (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Vince tells us what we want whether we want it or not. He'd convince you to kill your parents if it made him money.
Posted By: Darren Runne (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM
These numbers are really sad. HHH, HBK and Batista are at the age where traditionally people start to move down into the upper mid-card scene or even lower. The fact that they haven't tells me that these guys have huge "behind the scenes" pull or the WWE doesn't really trust anyone else to move into the upper card. It's pretty telling when the two main matches from Smackdown were the last two matches on NOC.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM
thats unbelieveable...oh, wait...no its not.
Posted By: tzmission7 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM
If the same research was done how many times those guys main evented a RAW would also show the lack of interest in WWE these days as well. So f'n stale.
Posted By: APrince66 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Well, the WWE could have pushed MVP, but decided we want more of the same. TNA and Raw are both stuck in a rut right now. They both need some new faces in the World title picture. Stat.
Posted By: iomis (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:04 PM
now I feel more tired of these guys than I already was
Posted By: RVD (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Hey WWE,
Not every heel champ needs to be booked as a pussy.
And Legacy used to be a legimate smart tag team when they had the titles before teaming with Orton. Quit making them look like idiots, would you? Rookie running backs in the NFL that have dominant early years really pick up a load of fans, who then follow the rest of their careers. But mediocre play means people gloss over them forever. I want Dibiase and Orton to be succesful, not jokes.
Thanks,
I am the Miz and I'm.... Awesome!
Posted By: Save Us Miz (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM
It's all about the game and how you play it. It's all about control and if you can take it.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Interesting...
No, wait. the other thing: Tedious.
Posted By: Bender Bending Rodriguez (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I'm a female and would much rather see Christian and CM Punk in the spotlight than those 3! I usually watch Raw for all the undercard matches. Kofi Kingston is an amazing performer as is Evan Bourne. They should be main eventing! They are way more interesting than any Cena/Orton or HHH match!
Posted By: C-Girl (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM
There is no one in any place to step up and main event after the top 5 performers on RAW. MVP drew to Chris Masters. Mark Henry just came over and had trouble putting Carlito away. Jack Swagger is a potential main eventer, but unless they pull the trigger on Ted Dibiase there is no one on RAW anywhere close to being able to step up.
Posted By: The Weesel (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Oddly enough, since 2007 the only PPV I have ordered is WM 25, and thanks to the awful main event of Triple H and Orton, I have since ordered two UFC PPV's and will probably never order WWE again.
Posted By: Dragon (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Well, it was just as bad when it was Rock, Austin and Foley headlining everything. Then again, Rock, Austin and Foley were 100 times better than Cena and Orton anyway in their prime. So it sucks more now. Go figure.
Posted By: Dean Malenko (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Raw is Stale and boring due to all these guys. Deal with it.
Posted By: The Awful Truth (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Why would that seem odd to anybody. It's not like there's anyone else on the roster, right?
Posted By: Smarky Smark (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM
That is because there is "lack of main event depth" because WWE doesn't recruit any talent. People who want to be wrestlers have to come to them. Then there is the whole "you have to pay your dues" mentality that keeps potential main eventers at less than mein event level for a long time instead of elevating them to main event in a shortet amount of time in order to keep things fresh and new. WWE probably is of the opinion that if they were to seek talent, then they no longer have the "power" over wrestlers who come to them and have to pay their dues, kiss ass, have stupid gimmicks, get fired because they don't shake enough people's hand backstage, aren't 6' 2" or taller, aren't bodybuilders who weigh at least 220 pounds, are held down my top guys, get buried for doing things that main eventers get away with, Vince doesn't like tag-teams, Vince doesn't like Asian wrestlers, Vince doesn't like luche libre wrestlers,(except Ray Mysterio). Why does it have to be what Vince wants all the time? What about what the fans want? I want to see luche libre wrestlers. I want to see Asian wrestlers. I want to see tag-team wrestlers. I want to see an Asian luche libre tag team. I want the tag titles to actually mean something. WWE needs to change things up and keep it new and exciting. Change is good.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Further research indicates that since the reformation of ECW in June 2006, and adding every other wrestler employed by WWE, all PPVs since then have included WRESTLERS FROM ALL 3 BRANDS! OMG STALE!
Seriously, this just a bit of opinion hate.
Posted By: Curty (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM
WWEFAN you're an idiot UFC is posting record numbers and their events are 49.99 everytime. The buy rates for WWE are down because the storylines of WWE are now old and over used. The rein of Austin, DX, and The Corporation were all fresh storylines at the time. Hell in the Cell was still kinda new now all of it is just OLD and tired.
Posted By: NewBreedofCleaner (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM
it's times like this that I wish, hope and pray that WWE reads 411mania.
Posted By: Col (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Why? So HHH can go to McMahon and say, "These numbers show I'm not main eventing as much as I should be."
Posted By: Karatgold24 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM
The E is so stale that calling it stale is kind of stale. Its just a big stale pile of fuck. They would need some fucking industry-shattering shit to make it entertaining again.
Posted By: C (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Yeesh...
I can't wait for these guys to step aside for CM Punk and John Morrison (and maybe Swagger).
Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:00 PM
Going by the title of this news story I thought there was going to be a new PPV called WWE Domination featuring only Cena, HHH & Orton.
Posted By: woo woo woo (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:01 PM
But if we go back to when the numbers were big, I'll bet rock, Austin and Undertaker were on the same number of shows, and we didn't really complain.
Posted By: Crow (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:02 PM
"Umm, buyrates are down because we are in the worse recession in 40 years?"
Except UFC buyrates are steady or up.
Posted By: Guest#9388 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:10 PM
"Oddly enough, since 2007 the only PPV I have ordered is WM 25, and thanks to the awful main event of Triple H and Orton, I have since ordered two UFC PPV's and will probably never order WWE again."
That's funny considering you got one of the best matches of the last few years in the middle of that show.
Posted By: Guest#1488 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Those numbers are insane.
I don’t watch a whole lot anymore and when I do, it’s not when Triple H, Orton, and Cena are on because it’s the same crap over and over again.
Cena is crap and too goody, goody. Predictable matches.
Orton has the same look on his face at all times. Whether it’s a walk to the ring or getting hit with a chair, he has the same look on his face.
Now that Triple H is married to Stephanie, he won’t be going away for a long, long time.
Posted By: Coreyoni (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:13 PM
This isn't a big surprise, but its still sad. Another example would be Evan Bourne. It looked as though Bourne was headed into a program with Kofi and/or Big Show but now he just flapping in the wind. If this was going to happen, then they should have just left him on ECW or shipped him off to Smackdown to fued with Dolph so that they could both feed off each other..hell they could've had Evan fued to The Brian Kendrick and they could have gotten Kendrick a new "insurance policy" to push another one of Vince's "big guys" and Kendrick at the sametime. Any combo of those things would've worked, but hey, this is the same company that let go dropped ball on Elijah Burke, Shelton, MVP, EVAN BOURNE, Ken Anderson (yes, even though he was injured, they dropped the ball with him a LONG time before that. he should have gone over Batista at the Rumble to win the title after he CARRIED Dave to a half way decent match).... I'm just tired as a fan and I'm actually looking fwd to ROH moving to Monday Nights...
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:14 PM
The fact is that wwe is less entertaining than its been since the hhh kane katie vick thing, and before that, before the attitude era. Mania's main event was rated terribly so how can you defend orton-cena-hhh? Batista is just plain unwatchable. Think about the best moments in wrestling. Stone colds push from midcard, Goldbergs streak push, the rocks push from IC to champ, the best moments are giving new guys a chance to shine. We may be in a recession but not every business is doing worse. Smart companies figure out how to market above a recession. Sonic burger, for instance, opened by my house and has done ridiculous business. UFC has become more and more popular. WWE's buyrates are down because they deserve to be down, vince is too old to have a creative mind anymore.
Posted By: Tony O (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:14 PM
Warning: fantasy booking ahead.
Cena wins the title at SummerSlam. Orton challenges him the next night to a rematch, and Cena tells him this will be the only rematch he gets. During that match, HHH comes down and attacks - Cena. Cena wins by DQ and now Randy is out of the title picture.
Orton then plots to get some "scrub" a shot at the title (say The Miz). Have The Miz win the title, so that Orton can beat The Miz to win the title back.
Miz then gets Cena to agree to a non-title match, but if he wins, he gets a title shot at the next PPV. Miz beats Cena somewhat cleanly when Cena is distracted by Orton.
You now have The Miz elevated to main event status, even for just a few months. He participates in tag team matches against Cena, getting another flash pin on Cena.
Of course The Miz loses, but it will be because DiBiase interferes in the match and it backfires. This leads to Orton and Miz beating down DiBiase. Cody comes running down looking like he's going to help Cody, but turns on him as well.
Now you can move Orton into a fued with DiBiase, and Miz can continue to feud with Cena since he got "screwed" at the PPV.
So now you've elevated 2 young guys into feuds with 2 of the top stars.
Oh - and meanwhile, HBK comes back and ends up turning on HHH. Make it about how HBK is sick of HHH - the fans are sick of him. Hell - even when talked with Stephanie, it sounded like even she was getting tired of him. Both of them can play the tweener role well - so let them do their thing away from the main event scene for a few months. Even incorporate (finally) the storyline with a rivalry between Stephanie and Shane with Shane siding with HBK (you didn't do enough to protect my sister - Stephanie saying that neither did you Shane).
Posted By: BobbyC (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:15 PM
Not to mention, Triple H/Randy Orton/John Cena Main Evented were in the World Title Matches for ALL Raw Brand PPVs besides two, Benoit/Kane and I forget the other one.
Posted By: JF (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:18 PM
ummm, wait... so who should be headlining the main event?
Suggestions?
Posted By: Roembowski (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:22 PM
"Buyrates are down I believe more than usual due to the streaming sites... honestly on some streams they can have up to 10,000 people per stream its nuts."
Hell, I watch the streams because the WWE isn't doing enough to talk me into buying the PPV. I still buy the Big 4 every year, but that's it. There just isn't enough incentive for me to bother with any of the other 45 PPVs a year. Hell, there have been PPVs that are so uninteresting on paper that I don't even bother watching the sstreams. I'll just read the results, and if there is a match or two worth watching, I'll DL the torrent.
If the WWE wants my money more than the 4 times a year, they need to make the shows worth my money.
Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:29 PM
Am I wrong that, since SummerSlam '07, Cena and Orton have only faced each other one-on-one twice and neither time had a clean finish?
Top face. Top heel. No title changes yet. No gimmick matches yet. These particular numbers lie; the Cena-Orton feud has barely begun.
Posted By: Guest#1578 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:30 PM
The Miz is in no way ready to be a main event level star. He needs a second teir title like the US or IC title first.
Just like Ziggler. What in the holy fuck makes people think that this guy is main event? He hasn't done shit. And he's yet to win a secondary title.
Whatever happened to the old school where guy would literally come up through ranks and titles. From tag team to the IC to the WWF title. Like Bret. Like Shawn. Like Hunter. Like all the greats we have now, they came up through secondary titles before they got to the big show.
Ziggler and Miz are FAR from main eventing.
Posted By: sour grapes (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:36 PM
move up john morrison,mvp,jack swagger,and some other young talent to shine,like a bigger storyline and see what happens
Posted By: java (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:38 PM
I could very happily live without ever seeing Triple H/Cena/Orton fighting in any combination again. I don't care for Batista either and have been annoyed by the amount of championship matches he gets in. But I also realise that (as another poster pointed out) they're not booking for me and what I want put for kids and families and to try to regain casual fans.
What I do enjoy is everything other than Raw. Smackdown, Superstars and ECW have decent to good matches every week and Smackdown has had some great feuds recently (ie. Jericho/Rey and Hardy/Punk). So it's easy to skip the stale Raw main event scene. I just don't watch it!
Posted By: Pure West (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 01:58 PM
The problem is that none of these guys except HBK can actually work a decent match. I had high hopes for Orton but for whatever reason he just can't deliver in the ring. HHH and Cena can be carried to decent matches but that's about it. Batista is just horrible.
As far as buy rates go it is simple-little kids don't buy PPVs. That is the WWE's target market now. Why the F am I going to pay 50 or 60 bucks for a PPV featuring Jeff Hardy or Cena? They are unwatchable in the ring and painful on the mic.
It seems to me that the WWE has trained fans over the last 6-8 years to accept crap-crap angles, crap characters and crap performances. There is a TON of upside on the roster and ECW has gone a long way towards keeping me watching the product as a whole. The young talent that has come on to the scene and been elevated is quite good-Punk, Swagger, Bourne,the Harts, etc. Hopefully these guys will start breaking through to the main event (besides Punk of course, who is clearly the number 2 guy in the company right now in terms of talent, Jericho being #1).
Posted By: Dr J (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 02:00 PM
That is because there is "lack of main event depth" because WWE doesn't recruit any talent.
Posted By: Chico (Guest)
They recruit it; they just develop them to hide their skills and book them to be expendable. Notable exceptions: Bourne (less indy spot monkey, more E-spot monkey) and The Miz (rookie Miz is 10x better than rookie Orton ever was)
Posted By: Guest#7921 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 02:12 PM
I don't think HBK deserves much blame or hate. He usually has stayed away from PPV main events (far less than Orton, HHH, and Batista). His matches are usually the best on the card. And he seems to have had more variety of opponents and storylines.
Posted By: Daniel (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 02:40 PM
And how many times since 2003 has Vince McMahon came out on Raw and promised to 'shake things up'?
Posted By: WMD (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 02:47 PM
Give me freshness WWE!!!!
Posted By: Guest#2637 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Actually in a recession entertainment and utilities always do well. Utilities are always solid but for some reason the worse everything else does the better it is to invest in utilities.
The reason entertainment does well, even during the Great Depression, is that what little people do have they then use to get their minds off their current situation. That's another reason why the UFC is making a killing. That's also why you don't hear the Harry Potter franchise crying and fearing putting out movies, instead, they delayed releasing the 6th one to make more money, actively waiting for the recession to get worse. The recession primarily is affecting other businesses, mostly financial sector and the field of law. Also construction suffers greatly. Entertainment though is fairly unaffected.
WWE just refuses to build new stars. Heyman and a few posters here stated how WWE does it, and their (weak) reasons for it. Things were different back with The Rock though imo, since he did jobs to Jericho, Benoit, put over Christian, put over Shane Helms, jobbed to Lesnar and Goldberg. That's why it didn't get stale, The Rock kept trying to build new stars. Flair always tried to build new stars too. Guys like HHH and Cena never lose though. Either do HBK and Batista. These guys always just squash opponents all the time, so nobody can look legit after facing them. Some wise ass will respond that they do lose and carefully list losses going back years, regardless of the circumstances surrounding them. But they're rare losses and even rarer clean losses, usually only amongst each other.
Also the size point, most 6'2 220+ lb people are going to try MMA now, as there is no paying dues and you get to actually win. People slightly smaller than that will try MMA as well, as they'd just be squashed in WWE anyway. There is no reason to go into wrestling now, the old top guys just hold everyone down. Funny thing is Vince pushed Savage out because he thought he was too old, but he won't do the same for a lot of these other guys.
Posted By: Guest#6932 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 03:21 PM
First time ever a summerslam main event repeated itself. Cena vs. Orton 2007. They could of had cena vs. Trip for the title or orton vs. HBK for the title
Posted By: hart (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 07:33 PM
I'm sure if you ran the same thing on TNA you would see the names Angle, Samoa Joe, Sting and Jarrett feature quite heavily. Why?, Cos they are the main eventers. I'm not saying it is right but the formula has had reasonable, albeit, waning success.
And the commenters who say that Vince is targeting the kids as his audience I can give you an example. When Raw came down under my 8 y.o. nephew loved the show but was disappointed that John Cena wasn't on it. Older fans may hate him or even be indifferent to him but the target audience of the WWE's merchandising machine absolutely love him.
Posted By: Dakes (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 10:32 PM
they are the new CLIQ
Posted By: Guest#4846 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:06 PM
This post is totally misleading. I'm willing to bet (a lot) that if a similar study were run during the attitude era using Rock/Austin/HHH/Undertaker you'd see some very similar results. And that's to say nothing of the COMPLETE domination Flair and Hogan had over the main event scene in the mid-late 80s.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM
This is as bad as back in the late 90's when Austin/Taker/Kane kept going round and round all different ways. They had nobody else at the top of the card in late 98/99.
Posted By: Scoops Fears 411 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Im also tired of the same crap on Monday Night Raw. I would build Raw around talents such as MVP, Ted Dibiase, Kofi Kingston, Jack Swagger, hell the pay per views are getting too predictable...Im calling it right now Edge will win the 2010 Royal Rumble with a early comeback like Cena did in 2008, take Shawn Michaels for example, great wrestler but his world title days are over... when they paid Floyd Mayweather $20 million dollars what the should do pay that same money to The Rock and make Cena vs Rock that will headline Wrestlemania 26 and it will have that same magic that Rock had with Hogan from Wrestlemania 18, and for Hall of Fame WARRIOR need to be in with Macho Man Randy Savage WWE needs to bury the beef and make it happen, and how your going make a Legends of Wrestlemania game without Randy Savage and Ricky Steamboat in it.
Posted By: Corey D (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM
they need to give a push to somebody else because its geting so borring to watch the same thing over and over,they should give a push to someone like Brian Kendrick,Oh SHIT! they just released im, thanks Vince
Posted By: wrestlingdan (Guest) on July 31, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Before I continue this post, I want to say I've ordered every WWE PPV this year and have only been disappointed by Wrestlemania 25, everything else was satisfactory or better with me.
First of all, Can you possibly fathom for maybe even one second that there just is not another guy on the roster ready or capable of being a top guy? And can you blame WWE for reluctance to push new guys right off the bat, when some either get a big head (Goldberg, Warrior) and think they are holier than thou? Or walk away before making any money for the business after they made some just for themself, just because one or two things did not go their way or because after others put them over big, and now it was time for them to return the favor. Here's 2 names for you: Brock Lesnar, Booby Lashley. WWE pushed these guys hard right out the gate. No dues paid, nothing. What did they do for WWE, they walked away after WWE made them stars without getting any kind of payoff for it. You can be tired of Cena, HHH, HBK, Batista, and Orton, but at least these guys paid some kind of dues and are now reliable and capable of putting on the WWE style they want. Cena vs anyone is a draw, let's face it. HHH has played a big part in guys like Cena and Batista becoming the tops guys. It's not like they are not trying with Punk and Hardy who crowds take interest to.
And "No wonder buyrates are down" That crap. Lets see, yes, I agree too many Pay Per Views. But mainly too many Pay Per Views that are pretty much the same. If they wanted this many or more PPVs, they should make them single brand again, so more lower card guys have a chance to grow by working more top shows.
And The Real Fact buyrates are down. The 40 buck a pop per show is alot when there are so many, especially with the economy the way it is, people do not want to spend their money as much.
Oh, and it's not like WWE needs to make drastic changes when what is considered to be their biggest competetion is hiring all their cast off instead of maiking new stars of their own. Good Job TNA.
Oh and a close by saying, lets all of you buy a Pay Per View with CM Punk vs MVP in the main event. Let's face facts without guys like Cena and HHH Buyrates would likely be even lower.
Posted By: Lonestarr022 (Registered) on July 31, 2009 at 03:49 AM
Fuck off with this Bullshit! I guarantee you that everyone bitches about this "combination" but the matches themselves turn out to be GOOD MATCHES!
Posted By: Guest#7685 (Guest) on July 30, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Really? all i'm gonna say is Wrestlemania 25
Posted By: Ramirez (Guest) on July 31, 2009 at 04:45 AM
Unbelievable. Way to build those stars.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on July 31, 2009 at 05:26 AM
Should have NEVER let Kurt Angle leave...
Should have pushed the shit out of Ken Anderson and not let him go (he wasn't injured in that last match)...
Should have signed Sting years ago, he can still deliver better than 'Taker...
Should get more capable wrestlers like TNA (females regularly are the most rated portion of a TNA show)...
Should have NEVER let Bobby Lashley go...
Am I forgetting something???
Cut down to one PPV every 2 months... and give everyone in the country a job so the recession won't affect if we can afford it or not!!! Hey, spend money to make money... hahaha
Posted By: Stoney (Guest) on July 31, 2009 at 05:31 AM
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