Various News: WWE Removes TNA Stars From Video, Borash Says TNA Monday Special Already A Victory, More
Posted by Ashish on 12.20.2009
Sunday news...
- Jeremy Borash was on The Fight Show on 12/18 and again said that the rating for TNA's 1/4 Monday night special is irrelevant, and the fact that they are doing it is a victory by itself because they aren't staying on Monday nights anyway. He added that all the publicity and attention TNA has gotten for the 1/4 show already is what makes it worth it. The interview can be downloaded here.
- In a sign of how WWE now views TNA, they removed Hulk Hogan from the "through the years" video that aired during the Tribute to the Troops. The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase replaced Hogan in the video. Mankind was also replaced in the video with Jeff Hardy. Hogan and Mankind were both regularly shown in the video up until now.
- The December 19th, 2009 edition of WWE Vintage Collection on The Score featured these matches from WWF In Your House on July 23rd, 1995:
* The Roadie vs. The 1-2-3 Kid
* Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Jarrett
* Diesel vs. Sycho Sid
Also shown was Jeff Jarrett performing "With My Baby Tonight" and the revelation that The Roadie actually sang the song, not Jarrett.
So because they're doing a show monday night once they claim victory?
See I thought to claim victory you have to actually beat them, my mistake.
Posted By: Eibmoz Izan (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:25 PM
He's got a point; if nothing else, the sheer audacity of TNA taking on WWE has got people curious about TNA. The problem is, I don't think the product in its current state is good enough to keep them watching after they're done talking. Nor is WWE's, IMHO, but they have name value and a big budget to coast along with; TNA has no such luxuries.
Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:28 PM
JJ is a joke!!!!!! I am glad he started TNA though.
Posted By: FUZEY (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:29 PM
So working for TNA is a great sin, but being a drug addict that can't stay out of court isn't?
Posted By: Guest#8586 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:43 PM
I have the perfect solution for the WWE opening video. Rather than edit it to reflect who is and isn't on good terms with the company, just replace everybody in the current opening with clips of me. Nothing gets a crowd more pumped up than that.
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Good, the more they distance themselves from Hulk the better
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 02:16 PM
I guess even Hulkamania has a price...
Posted By: Anonymous (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 02:53 PM
Hmmm, interesting that they chose Jeff Hardy to add to that video given his current problems.
Posted By: Guest#7848 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 02:57 PM
They should've replaced Hogan with Dusty Rhodes, or Luger bodyslamming Yoko on that battleship. Dibiase's the evil boss that represents corporate America.
Jeff Hardy is good substitute for Mankind though.
Posted By: y2kev (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Borash is right.
Too bad they have that moron Hogan talking about a 3.0 rating, and that's what people will remember.
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Are they going to take Shane McMahon out of the video as well?
Posted By: Danny Charisma (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Cool. Im 1-2-3 Kid mark. They should bring back XPac to WWE. Bring Back XPAC!
Posted By: guestwwe (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:11 PM
Also shown was Jeff Jarrett performing "With My Baby Tonight"
This should be the opening video from now on.
Posted By: L I A M (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:14 PM
way to follow your new qb tna. he says "we're gonna get a 3.0" and since then I've heard more stories saying ratings don't matter than those saying anything close to what hogan said. i dont know what to think at this point
Posted By: faceman802 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:18 PM
Ha! Borash knows they can't win! That's just him trying to save face!
Posted By: thepsychedelia (Registered) on December 20, 2009 at 03:27 PM
Funny stuff. They don't exist now. WWE has always viewed TNA as something that "could be" a threat eventually. There have been subtle adjustments through the years since TNA got on Spike. Kind of like TNA was doing it better, so WWE started working harder in those areas. The funny thing was that TNA would start deemphasizing those areas.
That was one way you could tell. Plus WWE started cutting back on some things that had to do with fan interaction because TNA fans were making their presence known there.
I'd say WWE viewed TNA as a pesky mosquito. Sure it was only a little bite, but it was irritating and it itched.
They know who is in TNA, and if those guys didn't matter, people like R Truth, Lance Hoyt, Monty Brown and others never would have been brought in.
They don't view TNA as a threat, but a potential threat in the future. Vince can rewrite history all he wants, but he knows WCW kicked his butt for a year and a half plus. Had the Russo era not turned the tide, who knows what would have happened. He does not want TNA to ever become that threat.
TNA loves to take pot shots, like Rhino, The Franchise, 3D and others shooting at ECW or the whole VKM thing. They are saying, "Hey, notice me. Acknowledge me."
They have NOTHING to lose doing that and everything to gain, just like this Monday night move. But, Vince comes in from a position of power. A Team going into the 4th quarter with a 21 point lead. Don't mess up. Don't publicly acknowledge them.
You're not gonna see WWE do anything like that, other than adjust things as needed. TNA has to earn the ratings on their own. When they can do that, then the war is truly on. WWE isn't likely to do anything to help, other than booking crappy Raw's. Even that isn't hurting them so far according to ratings.
Borash is right to a point. They already won by putting TNA on Monday. Did anybody see something like this coming? So, it is an accomplishment to a point, but if all it is is a one time thing, it won't really matter.
I doubt TNA is looking at it like Borash says. They would like to do this more often or even permanent, but the ratings will make the final determination. They must maintain a minimum of what they already have in ratings. Higher is better, but keeping what they have makes a move possible.
What's the difference between a 1.1 on Thursday or Monday? That 3.whatever that WWE gets on Monday is put into play. TNA has a shot at some of those viewers.
Problem is that .5 of that 1.1 are Raw viewers. Will they switch for Hogan? Even if they do, will they come back for future shows? That's the million dollar question.
It's worth the shot. If it fails, there's still Thursday night. Plus, TNA will know where they stand.
Either way, people are looking forward to Monday.
Posted By: Guy Incognito (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:37 PM
Uh, have the ratings increased significantly for Impact since Hogan signed? Don't think so.
Borash, don't kid yourself. The kid that wants to step up to the bully doesn't achieve a thing just *saying* they'll hit him; they at least actually hit him and get their ass whooped. TNA have achieved nothing yet, and this weak-ass 'we've won already because we're getting so much more attention' argument does nothing to disguise this.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 03:39 PM
Borash is an idiot, nobody cares that your going head to head with Vince the people that will tune in are people who want to see Hogan and I for one don't give a shit about Hogan he needs to go home and just wait to become a Grandfather because he doesn't have the magic anymore, guys like Ric Flair still has the desire for the business and is a better entertainer because of it he brings intensity wrestling and still jumps in the ring and does it as good as some of the younger guys but Hogan tries showmenship instead of solid ring and mike skills,don't get me wrong I like TNA they have great young talent but all these old fossils that use to be hot in the 90s are being used as their main attraction there are wrestling fans out there like myself who want to see superstars born, if TNA keeps relying on superstars from the past to carry the company they will surely fail like WCW
Posted By: 4EverFNM (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 04:22 PM
TNA: We are DELUSIONAL!
Posted By: Guest#2751 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 04:43 PM
What publicity? Getting mentioned for two minutes on UFC?
Posted By: Guest#0799 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 04:55 PM
You know what, I've wathced WWE for years, and lately I can barely sit through one of their shows, the PG stuff, the repetition, the over-acting, it's just painfull to the point I had really lost interest in wrestling all together. When I heard Hulk was coming to TNA it got me curious enough to watch it a bit more and I have to say it is a HEAPS better show than RAW. At least it's aimed at adults and not kids. Any of the self righteous marks on here claiming it is not as good a product as RAW have to either be children or just plain retarded. I'll take TNA anyday and can't wait for Hulk to show up.
P.S. for all the slag that Hogan, Nash, Foley etc cop on here, at least they can talk backstage on camera and not come off as a b-grade Disney actor.
Posted By: Mikky_G (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 04:59 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
This just in: WWII was a huge victory for France.
Seriously Borash must be smoking whatever Hogan's got. Bad enough he completely contradicted Hogan.
Posted By: Guest#8111 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 05:06 PM
1. Removing TNA stars shows Vince and co. are paying a little more attention to the competition than you nerds want to believe.
2. WWE logic = Better to support a drug addict and criminal than a former employee.
Posted By: Guest#3767 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 05:17 PM
Ok, so one article says "WWE get rid of TNA starts on a montage" and the next article says "WWE show both Jeff Jarrett and Kevin Nash on Vintage this week".
WWE is actually bizarro land.
Posted By: Guest#3303 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 05:26 PM
I saw that, with the LOUD "Everybody has a price!" bit. Rewound it and noticed it was over Hogan, which surprised me since they were celebrating old relevant Hogan in that. Pulling him is odd, especially to replace with DiBiase. Piper or Bret would have been a better pick I think.
Posted By: CyclopsScott (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 05:33 PM
ROH is on Monday already. Twice! They have two victories in the ROH-WWE war. And their show is on every week!
ROH >> TNA
FUCK YEAR, ARIES!!!
Posted By: This Post is Sarcastic, BTW (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 06:01 PM
so just going up against wwe is a victory? then since they've gone up against a handful of 3 hour RAW shows already, does that mean that ROH has won against TNA since they've done it before, albeit it by default?
Posted By: Guest#9275 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Yes, because when I think of the biggest stars in WWE history, I think of Ted Dibiase. Look, I'm a mark for the Million Dollar Man as much as everybody, but if your going down the list of the top stars in WWE, he might not even crack the top 50. I guess they are still serious about pushing his son, that's the only thing that makes sense. Warrior will probaly make it in if the HOF rumors are true.
Something I found odd when watching the new video. The only two divas they show are Kelly...and Lita? I know Kelly is the current flavor of the month, I get that one. But it was odd seeing them put in a past diva, and it not being Trish. Especially after Lita mocked WWE for their diva match at Wrestlemania 25. Maybe it was just easier to edit out Trish's image than it was Lita's, because I remember they were both in it for years. But since when was WWE mad at Trish?
Oh well. I really don't care either way, just seems odd that Lita got the favoritism for once.
Posted By: Guest#9039 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 07:16 PM
2. WWE logic = Better to support a drug addict and criminal than a former employee.
Posted By: Guest#3767 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 05:17 PM
Technically Jeff Hardy is a drug addict and criminal AND a former WWE employee if you think about it. And I guess Vince thought the fans still wanted MORE Diesel vs Sid even after their one on one match at IYH I in May and the Diesel/Bam Bam vs Sid/Tatanka tag match at the King of the Ring in June. But Diesel vs Sid for 3 PPVs in a row pretty much sums up the quality of the WWF in 1995
Posted By: Guest#3201 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 07:52 PM
BJ is partially right but mostly wrong. If TNA pulls a 0.1 or 0.2, Spike will probably never give them another Monday night slot. If they get a 0.5, I'd say it's iffy, and if they hold (or beat) their usual rating then they're golden. They surely don't need to beat WWE on their first outing. But they have to prove at least that they can tread water.
So far, the hype about the existence of the 1/4 show has done nothing to pop TNA's Thursday night ratings, which means that if it's going to, it will all rest on the shoulders of the actual show. And if TNA can't draw new eyes to their product as is, then the only factor they can count on on 1/4 is Hogan and any other surprises he may bring with them. Then those eyes have to be trained to watch TNA on Thursday, not Monday, which is effectively a timeslot shift to those people, and it's hard to keep an audience when you change timeslots, no matter what program you're putting on the air.
For my money, I'm far more interested in what will happen on Raw that night, if Bret Hart will return or what. There is very little TNA could possibly do on 1/4 to get my interest, other than perhaps acquiring Shane O'Mac.
Posted By: sVybDy (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Bret Hart is back on Raw for what could be amazing TV and Mankind/Hogan are off a video BUT WWE isn't bothered by TNA's one off Monday Night show?
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Wwe is lame and pathetic. I doubt i will ever watch their product again. Already been 2 years.
Posted By: Guest#5605 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 10:48 PM
"Bret Hart is back on Raw for what could be amazing TV and Mankind/Hogan are off a video BUT WWE isn't bothered by TNA's one off Monday Night show?"
From rumors, Bret Hart is back through Mania. If that's true, it's delusional to think this has anything to do with TNA's Monday show.
And if all you do is cut two seconds of video, you don't care about the other company.
Posted By: Guest#1948 (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Thank god they removed Hogan... Now I'm sure everyone will forget he was once in WWE. Same with Foley.
Posted By: MAniac (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 11:40 PM
I have the perfect solution for the WWE opening video. Rather than edit it to reflect who is and isn't on good terms with the company, just replace everybody in the current opening with clips of me. Nothing gets a crowd more pumped up than that.
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 01:45 PM
lol
Posted By: Donnie Jeffcoat (Guest) on December 20, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Wouldn't it beperfect if Hogan brings Shane O'Mac with him..
Bring up a same storyline as before with WCW and make 1 big organisation.
TNA is rolling only on old WWE stars.
Keeping AJ champion doesn't change that.
All the people I know who watch TNA, watch because of the old WWE stars. Now even RVD goes TNA after long absence
combine the 2 companies with a nice Shane - Vince rivalry and get rid of the competition of ratings.
TNA stars on WWE shows and visa versa..
Could be great for the Tag-team division, Women/knockouts
Love to see D-von & Bubba put Jericho trough a table again.
Posted By: Bwam (Guest) on December 21, 2009 at 06:58 AM
I like that Hogan and Foley get removed from this shit then they give us some BG James, Double J, Kevin Nash and Syxx-Pac matches. Though maybe they were all picked because they highlight negatvie traits these guys have. Like JJ Not singing for real.
Posted By: alanrules (Guest) on December 21, 2009 at 10:10 AM
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