UPDATED x2 w/ FINAL NUMBERS: Latest Info On RAW vs. Impact Ratings
Posted by Ashish on 01.06.2010
All the latest ratings info on last night's Monday Night War...
UPDATE #2: - WWE Monday night Raw scored a 3.6 rating Monday night, the same rating as last week. The show did hours of 3.51 and 3.73, with hour one doing 5,441,000 viewers and hour two ding 5,773,000.
- TNA Impact scored a 1.5 rating, the first hour did a 1.69 and 2,536,000 million viewers. The second and third hour did a 1.33 average and 2,034,00 viewers. The five-minute overrun scored a 1.26 rating, with 2.2 million viewers.
- The January 2nd edition of WWE AM Raw scored a 1.4 rating, which is one of the show's best ratings ever.
UPDATE: Dave Meltzer reports that Impact did a 1.5 rating as previously reported. The show did hours of 1.7, 1.4 and 1.2. TNA was very happy with the numbers, even though it isn't good that they dropped from hour to hour. But that was expected.
- There is no number for Raw yet, but with the 5.6 million viewers the show did, the rating should be a 3.7 or 3.8. The feeling is that TNA cost WWE a half-point in the ratings, maybe more. The strong first hour for TNA carried over to the second.
- After the segment with Hogan, Hall, Waltman, Nash and Bischoff there was a significant drop in the numbers, as many people turned into Raw.
- At this point it seems like a lock that TNA will run Monday nights again due to the strong rating they drew last night and the buzz that TNA now has. It could be very good for the business to have TNA air Monday nights and TNA on Mondays may become permanent.
ORIGINAL: - TNA Impact drew a 1.5 rating with 2.2 million viewers, easily a new ratings record for TNA. Impact peaked with 2.9 million viewers for the 9PM to 9:15PM ET segment which featured Hulk Hogan. That segment went head to head with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels on RAW. TNA's previous record high rating was a 1.33 with 1.97 million viewers, so last night's rating beat their record by over 200,000 viewers.
- RAW drew 5.6 million viewers, its highest viewership since August 24th (the night after Summerslam).
- The combined Monday night wrestling audience of 7.8 million viewers is obviously the highest it has been in a very long time.
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:07 PM
what happened the night after summerslam?
Posted By: jd (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:07 PM
TNA pulled out all the stops. Brought back every washed up WWE star they could think of.
Regardless other than the main event it is not up to the WWE caliber. WWE crushed it! Only a decent Raw too. Matches were pretty good. Kofi vs Orton was very good. Tag team Titles was good. U.S. Fatal Four was was good. Divas were ehh decent.
Seeing Bret Hart in the ring with Shawn Michaels and than Vince. Gold Vinny pure gold.
Hey TNA Fans, can't wait for the Team 3D vs Nasty Boys match right?!?!?!
Can't wait for the NWO to do exactly what the MEM did and destory all the young talent.
Posted By: DCFlash (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:08 PM
Impact peaked with 2.9 million viewers for the 9PM to 9:15PM ET segment which featured Hulk Hogan
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That's nearly 2.0
Posted By: Sivpac (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:09 PM
So what was all that stuff that people were saying that TNA was going to draw away viewers...? Hope they enjoyed that special episode of Monday Night Nitro At The Impact Zone, because TNA is now officially WCW 1999 2.0.
Posted By: Milkmanv1 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:09 PM
So everybody wins.
Posted By: The Dutch (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:15 PM
Yeah... but the 5.6 + 2.2 doesn't equal 7.7 million. I'm sure a chunk of those (like me) surfed between the two, or watched the Hogan thing and left to go see Hart. It's still a big night for wrestling, but I don't think the 7.7 total is entirely accurate.
Posted By: Triple B (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:16 PM
The fact that people left right after Hogan is not a good sign. I wonder how many of those people won't tune in again when they realize Hogan isn't going to wrestle. All these people who were shitting on WWE compared to last night, I totally get it but lets be real all the wrestling last nite on both shows was ok at best. Angle was good but that x match was so bad they almost wipe each other out.
Everyone who was crying about that being the best thing ever is nuts, you all know if WCW put a show like that on in the final year you all would have jumped all over it. That extra viewership for Hogan is great but let's be honest he does all his best mic work when he's setting up for a match.
I'm al for the monday nite wars but all I saw last nite on TNA was a lot of guys who stood in the spotlight to long in WCW and are somehow back in TNA, how long before Jarrets crew of old school TNA vs. Hogans TNA... only time will tell
Posted By: MADHOUSE of EXTREME (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:19 PM
Yikes....It was absolutely a wrestling night. Wow, great numbers all around.
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:19 PM
I'm more impressed with TNA's number. One of WWE's biggest "legends" returns after a decade and can't even get them a 4.0. And now you already take away the novelty of seeing Bret Hart on TV again. He looked old and disinterested last night. The angle with McMahon is going to bomb. He's only doing it to get his family into the HOF and another DVD about his career. Now, if TNA can actually get past this latest nWo reunion very quickly, they might have a shot.
Posted By: Guest#9632 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:19 PM
Looks like Bret and Hogan equal ratings!!!!!
Posted By: Proof (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:20 PM
TNA fans... THERE is something you chant "THIS IS AWESOME" about!
In my opinion, these numbers guarantee Impact moving to Monday nights... To be honest, I figured if TNA simply was able to pull their typical Thursday night numbers that it would give Spike reason to pull the trigger on a full-time Monday night show. With them increasing their typical ratings by roughly 10% it makes no sense not to make the change.
Regardless of the quality of the product last night, it was definitely a win for the wrestling business and wrestling fans.
Posted By: Devin Andrews (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:22 PM
its too bad impacts 3rd hour dropped so much because the 1st and 2nd hours were not very good at all.....
Posted By: sad (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:25 PM
And how many of those 7.7 million were "double dippers" who were flipping back and forth between both shows? When you take that into consideration, the overall combined viewership may not have been that much.
Posted By: Fatt Hardy (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:27 PM
Now this is interesting.
Posted By: Zipper (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:27 PM
So what was RAW's actual rating??
Posted By: Guest#8880 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:28 PM
Wrestling wins....enjoy it bitches...
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:28 PM
So what was RAWs rating from 9-9:15 then eh?
Posted By: Lucid (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:29 PM
Not bad TNA. Not bad at all. Until TNA can acquire some more marketing and advertising, they're going to have to take a hit for a while.
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:30 PM
So instead of this being a Monday Night War.
Wrestling and wrestling fans won.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:42 PM
To those who are going on about how WWE owned TNA and now things are going to go back to the way they were:
Think for a second.
No one, and I mean NO ONE expected TNA to get more ratings than WWE on the first night. BUT, they got more ratings than they usually do, which will be enough incentive for Hogan to jump to Mondays.
So, kindly shut the fuck up.
Posted By: ZeroVX (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:47 PM
I love WWE, but if TNA can move to Monday might and get a higher rating go for it. Lets start the Monday night wars.
Posted By: kolop1 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:47 PM
Fantastic ratings all round. Especially for TNA going head to head and drawing 0.2 more on average over their best ratings of all time. The real winner is us the wrestling fan.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:49 PM
WOW......7.7 million wrestling fans in one night......thats awesome..........
lets the wars begin....wrestling will be back on top like it was in the attitude era...........................
nice to see tna did pretty well........
and i would say to the hters....A solid 2.2 million viewers for tna
means its here to stay...........
and like ive said before like or hate either company...you should want them to do well...compitetion will drasticly improve both shows..........
Posted By: Guest#5992 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:50 PM
TNA pulled out all the stops. Brought back every washed up WWE star they could think of.
Regardless other than the main event it is not up to the WWE caliber. WWE crushed it! Only a decent Raw too. Matches were pretty good. Kofi vs Orton was very good. Tag team Titles was good. U.S. Fatal Four was was good. Divas were ehh decent.
Seeing Bret Hart in the ring with Shawn Michaels and than Vince. Gold Vinny pure gold.
Hey TNA Fans, can't wait for the Team 3D vs Nasty Boys match right?!?!?!
Can't wait for the NWO to do exactly what the MEM did and destory all the young talent.
Posted By: DCFlash (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:08 PM
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And this is why no one takes you WWEfanboys seriously LMAO........... "Pure gold Vince...Pure Gold" LMAO
I'd rather have more of the AJ vs Angle, Hamada/Kong tearing up bitches and Pope vs Wolfe than watch the Raw mid card on the treadmill of hell (how ya think Kofi and MVP is feeling after their pushes...and then non pushes...and pushes? Hell, ask Swagger the same question... how is Evan Bourne doing on that card since he was brought over to Raw....hell, how is Mark Henry doing..he started off hot on Raw until he was derailed IMMEDIATELY...How is Christain doing over there on ECW as one of the most over guys in the company who can't get off the "C" show...yeah.... whatever.)..
Both shows have their faults, but you fan boys who choose not acknowledge the flaws in the WWE and choose NOT to acknowledge the strengths in TNA are comical...
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:51 PM
7.7 combined rating...I remember when Raw was pulling 7.7 by itself lol.... but lets not mention that though....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:54 PM
you the man Vince...
Posted By: ICON (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:00 PM
Sure Impact could have been better, but so could every Marvel movie ever made. The only way TNA wasn't more fun to watch than WWE is if you were looking way too hard for stuff to complain about.
Posted By: Burnout (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:04 PM
Well, they haven't seen a 1.3 in months, and that's on a normal Thursday. Haven't they even reached 1.2 in the last two months or so. Then on Monday they hit 1.5 in head to head competition with WWE.
I'd hate to say it, but Hogan delivered. And it seems as if their highest segment, against Hart and HBK, featured the original NWO.
TNA scores a ratings victory. Yeah, WWE's numbers were substantially better, but TNA still set it's own record on Monday night. Obviously, they'll start giving more thought to doing more Monday nights now.
As for can they do more surprises? Yes, they can. There are still some free agents out there who people might like to see.
Like it or not, Hogan equals ratings. But it pleases me to know that Hall, Nash, Waltman and Easy E were part of the TNA record breaking segment.
Posted By: Guy Incognito (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:28 PM
Right on..........i agree with this statement 100%.....................
Its nice to see a true statment....
it does happen in this land of drones and marks.....
Posted By: Guest#5661 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:04 PM
'TNA is now officially WCW 1999 2.0.'
Yep, so only 2 more years until they are out of business. Its a shame too, they were a good alternative up until now. People used to complain all the time that all TNA did was sign ex WCW/WWE talent... now it seems thats all TNA will be. Nasty Boys... Orlando Jordan.. Val Venis... oh joy=-[
Posted By: Champ (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:06 PM
Ye it was a great night for us fans but, lets not forget this huge factoid, Hogan promised a 3.0 rating 2 weeks ago for his appearance!!!!!
Posted By: rez_perez (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:09 PM
after all this build-up by both brands neither of them delivered. TNA missed the opportunity to really impress new fans tuning in and WWE didn't do anything to impress. They are stuck in a rut and they can't get themselves out.
Posted By: the teacher (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:13 PM
THE SMART KIDS ARE FINALLY GETTING IT!!!! WWE is NOT a wrestling show... it is a sitcom/softcore drama for tweens!!! TNA is a wrestling show... by the way all of you who are suddenly turning your backs on Jeff Hardy... before you were asking "why did Jeff Hardy turn down such a huge contract?" "come back!"... now that he's back you all are bitching and moaning and not being happy for him. HELLOOOOOOOOO watch TNA! See what happens!!! I know you sitcom watching kids wouldn't DARE go to an indy show or tune into ROH. So what if WWE has biggers stages? does that have anything to do with the actual wrestling????? Anyway good night for WRESTLING! Thumbs up to AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy!!!... and RIC FLAIR!!!
Posted By: Robert (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:16 PM
Jeff Hardy isn't in it for the money... he's in it for the WRESTLING. WWE is NOT a WRESTLING show, it's a child's fantasy. 2010 WWE wouldn't DARE use the word wrestlers! They are "superstars"
Posted By: Ashley (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:19 PM
5.6+2.2 = 7.8 not 7.7. It's called a rounding error. Using estimates no less. Math not so strong in the States, eh?
But that puts RAW at a 3.7/3.8 and a combined wrestling rating of 5.2. That is awesome.
Now imagine if Impact didn't suck in the first hour (what was with that cage? horrible.) and Bret actually had a few segments throughout RAW...
Posted By: Guest#7991 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:21 PM
7.7 combined rating...I remember when Raw was pulling 7.7 by itself lol.... but lets not mention that though....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:54 PM
Everyone remembers it, considering it only happened once.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:22 PM
Children make up majority of the "wrestling" audience so of course WWE got the win. It's in the future when some of these kids grow up that they may actually start watching wrestling, and I'm not just talking about TNA, I'm talking about TNA, ROH, and whatever other wrestling business may actually make tv.
Posted By: Albert (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:23 PM
Can's wait for TNA to bring in Men On a Mission...w/Oscar!
Posted By: Guest#8154 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:27 PM
it's sad that all WWE has to do is make a simple phone call and they get people riding their coat tails. They will NEVER have to improve wrestling quality and storylines at this rate. Because OMG!!!... Bret Hart is hosting... OOOO next week The Rock.... Stone Cold!!!!... oh shit!!!!.... it's Hulk Hogan!!!!(despite our bitching when he went to TNA!)
Y'know I bet if Bret came to visit TNA, you asshole hippocrits, would bitch and say "he's and old washed up WWE reject!" FUCK you childish sitcom fans.
Midget court.... really? That's all it take to get you dumbasses to watch WWE?
Posted By: Alvin (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:32 PM
Lets all just be happy for wrestling no?
Posted By: YourGuestHost (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:35 PM
TNA was succesful at bringing back the Monday Night Wars, the Monday Night Wars of 1997 that is. Too bad for them, Vince and the WWE are aware that its 2010.
Posted By: baker (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:39 PM
TNA pulled out all the stops. Brought back every washed up WWE star they could think of.
Regardless other than the main event it is not up to the WWE caliber. WWE crushed it! Only a decent Raw too. Matches were pretty good. Kofi vs Orton was very good. Tag team Titles was good. U.S. Fatal Four was was good. Divas were ehh decent.
Seeing Bret Hart in the ring with Shawn Michaels and than Vince. Gold Vinny pure gold.
Hey TNA Fans, can't wait for the Team 3D vs Nasty Boys match right?!?!?!
Can't wait for the NWO to do exactly what the MEM did and destory all the young talent.
Posted By: DCFlash (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:08 PM
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And this is why no one takes you WWEfanboys seriously LMAO........... "Pure gold Vince...Pure Gold" LMAO
I'd rather have more of the AJ vs Angle, Hamada/Kong tearing up bitches and Pope vs Wolfe than watch the Raw mid card on the treadmill of hell (how ya think Kofi and MVP is feeling after their pushes...and then non pushes...and pushes? Hell, ask Swagger the same question... how is Evan Bourne doing on that card since he was brought over to Raw....hell, how is Mark Henry doing..he started off hot on Raw until he was derailed IMMEDIATELY...How is Christain doing over there on ECW as one of the most over guys in the company who can't get off the "C" show...yeah.... whatever.)..
Both shows have their faults, but you fan boys who choose not acknowledge the flaws in the WWE and choose NOT to acknowledge the strengths in TNA are comical...
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:51 PM
And that is why WWE fans will never take what the TNAFanboys have to say seriously. Did you watch Raw? When HBK was in the ring with Bret Hart..it was amazing. We never thought we would see it and we did. It was gold.
Guys win matches and guys lose matches. Swagger, Christian, MVP, Kofi. How the heck would you book it?
Hey has Wolfe won two match since joining TNA? Looked pretty mid card to me. Was the "greatest tag team alive" Beer Money even on the show? Ur own fans were chanting THIS IS BULL$H!T during a spotmonkey X-Division match.
Kofi, Orton, Swagger, Bourne can go with Angle and Styles anyday of the week.
Posted By: DCFlash (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:41 PM
it's sad that all WWE has to do is make a simple phone call and they get people riding their coat tails. They will NEVER have to improve wrestling quality and storylines at this rate. Because OMG!!!... Bret Hart is hosting... OOOO next week The Rock.... Stone Cold!!!!... oh shit!!!!.... it's Hulk Hogan!!!!(despite our bitching when he went to TNA!)
Y'know I bet if Bret came to visit TNA, you asshole hippocrits, would bitch and say "he's and old washed up WWE reject!" FUCK you childish sitcom fans.
Midget court.... really? That's all it take to get you dumbasses to watch WWE?
Posted By: Alvin (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:32 PM
Said Alvin the Chimpmunk.
Smackdown is the Best wrestling show on TV. TNA does the same stupid sideshow sitcom crap.
Strip poker...oh thats original.
Foley wants in, let's lock him out.
Nasty Boys trash a locker room after "sneaking" into the building. You would have a better chance of the building sneaking into the Nasty Boys!
Posted By: Smackdown (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Just read the Impact taping results.
Safe to say, nest Thursday, the rating is going waaaaay back down.
Posted By: SeatsPro (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:31 PM
To those who are going on about how WWE owned TNA and now things are going to go back to the way they were:
Think for a second.
No one, and I mean NO ONE expected TNA to get more ratings than WWE on the first night. BUT, they got more ratings than they usually do, which will be enough incentive for Hogan to jump to Mondays.
So, kindly shut the fuck up.
Posted By: ZeroVX (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:47 PM
But it's WAY more fun to pull our dicks out and say "the corporation of my choice is better than the corporation of your choice!" What's the point of just sitting back and enjoying the competition and the improved product put out as a result? Fuck dat noize, yo! I'd rather just be a faceless, unpaid shill for one or the other. I don't even really care which - just give me the world in broad black and white strokes with a big flag to wave so I feel as though I'm contributing something. Go [preferred wrestling company]! Kick [other wrestling company]'s ass! They can't even get a [numerical rating] despite bringing in [popular wrestler]! [Other wrestling company] = [terribly outdated internet meme]! Genesis does what Nintendon't!
Posted By: Guest#3193 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:39 PM
This is AWESOME on all fronts. WWE had their best ratings in a long time and I dont think anyone (sans Hogan) was expecting Impact to get more than 2 million viewers. Even the head of Spike TV said he'd be happy with a 1.0 rating, so the Spike executives must be elated right now.
I hope they put Impact on Mondays permanently. Give them an 8-10 slot. It will drive up the quality of both Raw and Impact. And it will be great to watch the first hour of Impact, flip back and forth between the 2nd hour of Impact and first hour of Raw, and watch the final hour of Raw. Monday night will once again become THE night for wrestling.
And anybody who tries to berate TNA's rating is a moron. Nobody expected Impact to beat Raw in the ratings. But for them to get their highest ratings ever while going Head-to-Head with Raw, on a night where BRET FUCKING HART came back, is a HUGE accomplishment.
Posted By: Monty (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:44 PM
I flipped back and forth. I'm more a WWE fan than TNA, by far, but I was interested in Impact. Impact DEFINITELY had more going on. I thought, by far, Impact was a much stronger show. I don't want to say better, because that's too opinionated and biased.
But TNA started more storylines last night, and while all of the "surprises" became self parody once god damn Orlando Jordan was supposed to get a pop, overall it worked.
What made me smile the most was Hogan coming out at 8:55. That's just smart damn booking. And it totally had me hooked... until I flipped back for a second and heard Hart's music. I liked what they did with Hogan and all his old buddies. How they always get in because of Hogan just existing, but not this time. I absolutely loved that.
Then again, Hart/HBK showdown, apology and EMBRACE>Hogan talking.
I'm a huge indy mark. Probably like them more than the mainstream stuff. But that Angle/AJ match... I stopped caring after the 3rd or 4th finisher kickout. It just made me shake my head, because there's a time when too much of a good thing just takes away from the enjoyment. They went all out, though, and put it all on the line. I'm probably just mad because all it was, was opening technical shit, random guy run in (and NOT a de-mask? Whoever it was could've gotten super over for stopping this match), did like the fact that Angle got rid of him and then helped AJ up and wanted a fair, even fight. Sent a great message. But I mean... then it was just moves and suplexes, finishers, kickouts, more finishers, more kickouts... blah.
It was enjoyable, but not as much as it could've have been. Probably should've been the finish after the either the second Styles Clash or 1st Springboard 450.
I'm done rambling. I'm glad both ratings went up, and I hope TNA can stay on Monday. It just enhances both shows. Besides, most people have Tivo now. Does it really matter if you watch one and then the other?
Posted By: Guest#8748 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:45 PM
and people say Bret Hart cant draw.
Posted By: Guest#9673 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:52 PM
To DCFlash - while I'm totally against TNA having Wolfe lose to Pope in a short match like that, its not as if he's really only had two wins. He beat Angle by ref stoppage in his first ever TNA match, beat Deaner in record time for the company, beat Suicide, and won one of his three matches with Angle at Final Resolution. He also went to a draw with Daniels. The only guys who beat him until the Pope did were Angle, AJ (with interference) and shamefully Lashley, but at least with Lashley it was just a DQ.
Impact was not as great as it should have been, especially with that joke of an opening match and absurd amount of commercials, but let's not overstate the problems.
Posted By: No (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:54 PM
re:how ya think Kofi and MVP is feeling after their pushes...and then non pushes...and pushes? Hell, ask Swagger the same question...
samoa joe and daniels say hi!
Posted By: faceman802 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:57 PM
"5.6+2.2 = 7.8 not 7.7. It's called a rounding error. Using estimates no less. Math not so strong in the States, eh?"
Math not so strong? Here's an example for the dipshits of the world who can't understand the simple things in life:
5.55 million = rounded 5.6.
2.15 million = rounded 2.2.
5.55 + 2.15 = 7.7.
Crazy isn't it? Moron.
Posted By: Mentally Handicapped (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Nasty Boys trash a locker room after "sneaking" into the building. You would have a better chance of the building sneaking into the Nasty Boys!
Posted By: Smackdown (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:07 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Your new TNA WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!
Posted By: SignGuyDudley (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 11:23 PM
OK, Both sides here need to Just calm down for a second
Before i being, i am a WWE and do not watch Impact very often, but do catch it from time to time.
Obviously TNA was NEVER going to beat WWE last night and was NEVER going to get the 3.0 that Hogan Promised. The 1.5 they drew yesterday is EXTREMLY impressive. Much better then i thought they would do. However, TNA heavily promoted this one show for months now. They beat everyone over the head with the idea that this was the biggest day in thier promotions history. They brought back every wrestler that still had a pulse. They put thier 2 best workers in a maint event caliber match against each other. They basically pulled every trick they had in order to keep this 1.5. If they were to switch to Mondays regularly, more then likely they would fall back to 1.0 average they see on a normal basis.
This is not me being a WWE Fanboy. Outside of the Hart stuff last night on raw, i was pretty dissapointed. Kofi had no business losing and niether did Jerishow. They are terrfied to have Sheamus interact with any main eventer not named John Cena. WWE has there fair share of problems.
Wrestling was the big winner last night, as were wrestling fans. For one night it felt cool to be a fan of wrestling again. however, to say this is a major victory for either promotion is just foolish.
Posted By: da kos train (Registered) on January 05, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Everyone should be happy wrestling got a shot in the arm joy. The problem there is now would it be consistent? ........yippee hogan debuted but he claimed to only be running the company hence shouldn't have to cart his ass out every week to help TNA get the 1.5 all the time.
WWE had to call in Bret Hart to settle something that has gone on for twelve years with HBK/Bret and to set up a fight with McMahon. Now WWE lost a few people to channel hopping but is still not losing much.
Now take into account, had all this gone up against say.......Monday Night football with an actual game people wanted to see TNA wouldn't get that number and WWE wouldn't get its number but it wouldn't be hurting that much, WWE has been going against football for years doens't hurt it, TNA's number might be what it get on Thursdays but barely, like it or not that would hurt the company for an entire season of football, if it jumped to Mondays.
TNA did good for a shot in the dark but Spike will have to think hard if they can sustain that on a weekly basis, remember WCW thought the same thing right up til it ended. Same formula bring in Hogan, more and more guys that weren't happy in WWE they got their winnning ratings then fucked it up, mostly but doing stupid shit such as talking of or referencing WWE. Something TNA does on the regular doesn't help. Stand on your own without having to mention the competition. Especially on a night you face the competition cause on a monday night war last thing you need is to cut a promo say WWE bet the channel gets switch "wonder what WWE is doing now that they mentioned it"
But so as to not piss off any fans of either product there is one thing people seem to forget. One Monday battle doesn't prove anything. The true test is if Spike has the guts to put the show up against Raw for more than one Monday and see will the ratings rise, fall or fluctuate. If it gives fans a choice for a while fine but this one monday wont prove much until you stack numbers against a row of Mondays and honestly TNA shouldn't have had to pull the trigger on a pay per view match with Angle/Styles, nor should they have had to pull the old band back together for this. They have the talent but use it wrong and if you noticed a monday night war brought out all the veterans ready to step over the younger ones. Be careful with what you wish for, Jarrett, Hogan, Hall, Waltman, Foley, Flair, Nash, Sting, Stiener(backstage but not used), Hardy, yeah AJ was showcased cause hell he has the belt. But all of them there and ready to take the spotlight again so they can "show" these up and comers how to draw TNA fans know they don't wanna see this all over again.
But congrats to the wrestling fans.
Posted By: Guest#6600 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 11:39 PM
ratings mean nothing of the 7.7 or whatever wrestling viewers they estimate I would say 90% were flipping back and forth. And I would also bet that 30-40% of the people watching a pretty decent NCAA football game were flipping around on those wrestling shows as well. Until eveyrone has a box or they can scan eevry TV set in america ratings will mean dick.
But like it or not these numbers will mean the monday night wars wil be back. Would also be great if WWE upped the ante on thirsday nights. A little comeptitin is good for everyone because without it you get what you all have seen on WWE the past 5 years...a frigging snooze fest.
Not to mention this was the first live show TNA has done AFAIK, and even with the master Bischoff there there were probably some issues.
Disappearing storylines, lost angles limos with no explanations. Could be cliffhangers could just be forgotten. Not like the WWE has dropped storylines they cultivated for months and never mentioned them again.
The one thing I didnt like about TNA last night was they tried to be a little too RAW like. Lot less wrestling and a lot more story telling. But since it was the premier so to speak it can be overlookd. But if they go 120 minutes and 100 minutes of it is the same as RAW then we all lose out. That is why they really need 2 shows. Not a split brand gimmick but two shows that coexist so the top guys can do both and your mid carders and developmental guys get seen at least once a week instead of once a month. TNA has way more talent than WWE right now just on thier existing rosters, so they definitely need as much time as they can get. And once guys start jumping from WWE to get on the TNA bandwagon it will only call for more time.
And for all the people who think that any of those guys that showed up last night will be wrestling or signed you're delusioonal (but thats why your WWE fans I suppose) because you actually all thought bret Hart was goign to be wrestling for WWE too. These guys are all 40+, havent done anything in years, most are crippled and can barely walk but your living in 1996 all over again and think when you see them oncamera they'll be put into a ring automatically. They are there for buzz and for morons like you to think they will wrestle. But you morons actually think they will while the average person can only speculate but then use their brain to realize it wont happen.
But the hypicrisy is infallable because seeing those guys walk around is no different than seeing the jericho gauntlet and watching those guys come out every week an stumble around.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Fuck the ratings TNA put on the better product
Posted By: Guest#6934 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Sorry Hulk you cant have more time for your tna crap on UFC because you said that you were going to get a 3.0 rating and were the fuck is the 3.0 i only see 1.5 but can i still bang that dixie chick
Posted By: Dana White (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:03 AM
TNA was excellent. I'm glad they had a great rating because it means this won;t be the last time we'll see them on Monday. I'm looking forward to what they'll do next!
Posted By: technicalwrestlersrule (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Wow, just imagine if this was on thursday instead of monday. Good rating considering the circumstances.
Posted By: Guest#8831 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:18 AM
tbh, I thought TNA's main event shat all over WWE's....I was watching WWE but kept flipping back to TNA...WWE seemed so lifeless in comparison, I kinda hope TNA does move to Monday's and gives WWE a reason to actually try instead of give fans constant crap
Posted By: SmokaJoka (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:25 AM
TNA needs to stay on Monday nights. Even if their numbers end up going lower at first, eventually Vince is going to run out of things to throw at them, and they also have the channel flippers. Just up the match quality (didn't sound like nonstop action yesterday), time the matches to coincide to when Raw goes to commercials, and I think they could make 2.0 within a year if Raw stays at PG.
Posted By: y2kev (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:28 AM
So I notice the same people who were all talking about how TNA's ratign would drop to a .6 once WWE came on have changed their tune and are now just bitching about TNA's show. Way to chicken out, boys.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:30 AM
It's hilarious how badly TNA gets under the skin of WWE fanboys.
Posted By: Guest#7778 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:34 AM
Personally, I'd like to see TNA actually become decent competition for WWE, forcing both shows to raise their quality. Unfortunately, hiring a bunch of WWE rejects and retirees is not the way to do it.
Posted By: BIgTrevor (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Amazing how many WWE fanboys post on here. TNA isn't going to win the very first night it's on Monday when not everyone even knows it's on. It's not like the first Monday Nitro was any good either.
Posted By: rich (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:43 AM
"But like it or not these numbers will mean the monday night wars wil be back. Would also be great if WWE upped the ante on thirsday nights. A little comeptitin is good for everyone because without it you get what you all have seen on WWE the past 5 years...a frigging snooze fest....
And for all the people who think that any of those guys that showed up last night will be wrestling or signed you're delusioonal (but thats why your WWE fans I suppose) because you actually all thought bret Hart was goign to be wrestling for WWE too. These guys are all 40+, havent done anything in years, most are crippled and can barely walk but your living in 1996 all over again and think when you see them oncamera they'll be put into a ring automatically. They are there for buzz and for morons like you to think they will wrestle. But you morons actually think they will while the average person can only speculate but then use their brain to realize it wont happen."
Hey Dickwad- before you go insinuating people are stupid because of who may and may not wrestle get a couple things straight: One- no one expected Hart to wrestle- he had a stroke. And two- learn how to spell if you are going to criticize the intelligence of other people. There is no 'i' in 'Thursday' you fucking moron.
Posted By: James II (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:50 AM
We all win, seriously. @#$5 great news.
Posted By: Guest#5608 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:56 AM
It's hard for me to take TNA seriously when they're in such a small arena. They need to tape Impact in front of a 20,000 person crowd even if they have to give the tickets away. Hogan got a decent pop but it didn't "wow" me since it was such a small crowd.
Posted By: aaron (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:58 AM
I believe what really hurt TNA's ratings was not the talent or the WWE's product. The reason may been all the excessive commercials that ran during Impact. I understand they were just paying the bills but it was a bit excessive even for something like that. It gave people a reason to flip to RAW and see what was happening. I thought the point was to draw viewers away from RAW. But match wise with the exception of the Asylum match which as the crowd said it best was bullshit, was Impact. Be what your name means TNA, give the fans Total Nonstop Action, not Total Nonstop Commercials.
Posted By: A hint of advice TNA (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:59 AM
except for Bret and Shawn there wasn't realy anything to write home about on either show.
You can chose between WCW2010 or PG WWE with it's boring bland product
Posted By: JohnDoe (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:09 AM
You kids need to chill.
Wrestling won, fair and simple. This shit reminds me of the Israel - Palestinian conflict. We had a dust up and both sides came away pretty much intact.
Takeways:
TNA - Good start, but needs polish. The young guys need a platform to launch off from. Hogan and the band provides that spark. Their presence makes our eyeballs come to their show.. From there, it is your job (TNA) to showcase your goods. Well AJ and Angle did just that. Give me more Wolfe. And for old school kickers, give me a Hardcore match 3 way dance between the Nasties, Foley & Abyss, and 3D (if they can go) or Raven & Dancing Stevie. Thats a Monsters Ball Death Match that will surely interest me. Give me Samoa Joe and Daniels .. thats a 4 star match.. and how about giving us Ultimate X on a smaller scale.
Raw - Time to bring in the big guns and quit horsing around with your audience. Bringing in Hart to settle things was a great start and having Tyson next week should be a nice barnburner... With Austin & the Rock in the bullpen, this should be a banner year for Raw.. Quite horsing around.
WWE is a behemoth compared to TNA. It is good for biz when both can get a combined 5.+ rating for wrestling.. That means in addition to the recession coming to a close, the Wrestling Recession (7+ years running) could be coming to a close with a Boom just around the corner.
And you guys need to stop this shit about TNA vs WWE. It aint there... Csonka and his boys are just stirring you up. It aint gonna be there for another 2 years max. TNA and UFC (spearheaded by Spike) both have work to do in the TV arena... Once they get their shit together, then war will resume. Sit back and enjoy, Goddammit.
The boys in both locker rooms are working hard to sustain this industry, dont turn it into some ghetto assed carnival or fucking romper room.
Posted By: tstrike (Registered) on January 06, 2010 at 01:13 AM
I have not watch raw on Monday nights since Bret left the wwe, I became a wcw mark, once Bret story line is over, I'm tna bound, Bret rules and he is the only reason I chose wwe over tna, sorry tna, Bret is bigger than u for now, once he leaves I'm for tna
Posted By: Rebel (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:29 AM
I'm still rooting for TNA. I wont watch Rated WWE-PG until they gear their programming toward people older than 12 years old again and end the roster split. RAW hasn't been raw since 2002 when they did the first Draft and Austin left. When the show grows some balls again, I'll start watching again. In the mean time, I'm supporting TNA, the real wrestling show.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:36 AM
I have to chuckle at the TNA comparisons to WCW (primary that "Hogan and friends killed WCW). While WCW had it's problems with not being able to create new wrestlers (outside of Goldberg), wasted money and a bunch of other problems and mistakes which caused it to decline where it absolutely should have not, the "actual" death of WCW was caused by a LOT more than Hogan, going more deeper into Ted Turner's diminishing role with his company and the AOL/Time Warner merger.
Had WCW remained on Turner networks and been sold to Fusient Media Ventures (venture capital group with Bischoff), it may have very well survived and rebounded (especially since WWE's audience was declining following the Attitude era). Point is, comparing TNA and Spike to WCW/Turner and assuming a similar demise is not an entirely accurate comparison.
Posted By: Shannon (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:44 AM
TNA's bringin it, they've already got Vince to pay Bret to appear on Raw, don't understand the TNA hate, the fans win
Posted By: Walt B (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:51 AM
Nobody expected TNA to beat WWE on Monday, but TNA wasn't expected a big rating either. What Dixie and TNA wanted was to be on Monday nights more than about ratings. Since TNA and SpikeTV were happy with the numbers, an Impact on Monday nights is likely going to happen in the near future.
Posted By: vantheman77 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:06 AM
Nah, Hogan is NOT a draw, nobody wants to see Hogan. Hogan sucks.
Posted By: Smartass IWC douche (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:09 AM
I want TNA to succeed. Competition will only make WWE, my preferred show, that much better. I prefer my wrestling to have more personality than what TNA offers. Styles and Angle was a great wrestling match, but it was not nearly as enthralling as the DX/Jerishow Tag Match(minus the two lame Hornswoggle spots). Styles and Angle tore the house down, but without that "it factor" that WWE's presentation provides it felt like a GREAT midcard match as opposed to a real World Title feeling event. That's just my preference, I can see and respect enjoying the alternative.
My issue is that the TNA that TNA fanboys are defending today is 10X worse than what WWE has going on. The alternative to sports entertainment? Hogan, nWo, Bishoff, Val Venis, Hardy, Nasty Boys, etc ARE sports entertainment. The time spent with these wash-ups could of been shortened and the show should of featured the likes of MCMGs in a real tag match, Samoa Joe in a featured match against someone that can "go", etc etc etc. The fact that the WCW guys dominated the show is what makes this lame.
WWE isn't competing with TNA. WWE is now competing with it's own past.
Posted By: Mikey MiGo (Registered) on January 06, 2010 at 02:38 AM
What happend to bringing in the 2.0+ rating for TNA!, and to draw the lines looks like Bret didn't do much better
Posted By: Guest#5802 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:42 AM
It's hard for me to take TNA seriously when they're in such a small arena. They need to tape Impact in front of a 20,000 person crowd even if they have to give the tickets away. Hogan got a decent pop but it didn't "wow" me since it was such a small crowd.
Posted By: aaron (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:58 AM
That's where you're wrong. A smaller arena means a louder crowd. TNA's crowd was loud all night long, while RAW's crowd was silent most of the night.
Posted By: panik (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:48 AM
No doubt TNA put out a better product last Monday...everyone is going on about bringing back old stars but its easy to see where they are headed with this...by throwing a who's who's of names on the show and generating a bit of head with some of them they are looking to see which ones the viewers are going to be stiring about afterward. This gives them a direction of where to focus good story lines inthe future. WWE has bored us to death for the last year or so with little or no effort to thier fans anything new. I mean God help me if I have to see another match between John Cena and Randy Orton...oh and what was it last year if not John Cena and Edge every other week! So lets put it in prespective...for the last two years we get to see someone on John's back and tossed gingerly over to his back and pinned! Come on man! did you watch that TNA match with Angle and Styles...It was out of this world SICK! Thats wrestling. I know this is coming off like I hate the WWE but I don't...its a wake up call for them...The new wrestling war has begun and it's going to take a hell of a bigger name than Bret "the most boring wrestler ever put on this earth" Hart to draw rating...I think this will be good for Vince or his boy if dad is finally ready to let go of the reins. Sometimes when your on top you get lax and stop giving your best...Hopfully this will bring out the old Vince... for now though...me and my boys give round one to TNA hand down...for those who bother watching RAW that night...sorry for your Damn Luck...
Posted By: Franko (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:00 AM
Hey TNA morons. You are the ones backpeddling you claimed TNA would beat RAW head to head or take half our audience you didnt. RAW actually had storylines and a plan. TNA through whatever they had and hoped it would stick. I watched the beginning of Impact trying to be objective and was actually excited to see 3 of their homegrown guys I enjoy Lethal and MCMG. I watched that match hoping to see the "trademark" TNA athleticism and was let down. The enidng was convulted TNA/WCW crap which you cant afford to do if you are trying to gain new fans, WWE or otherwise. Once they rang the bell and the bullshit chants started I changed the channel to watch Rnagers vs Bruins. On commercial I switched back to see a commercial I never saw Hardy and only switched back once during RAW and that was to see OJ and Elijah. Have since seen some more but terrible. *SPOILER* for those who havent read next weeks spoiler the Outsiders are indeed booked in a PPV match I wont give anymore away for you TNA fans, but The jagoff who said they wouldnt wrestle was wrong. Hint though they are younger than the Outsiders and something tells me Hall and Nash are not coming to Genesis to job. If Hall shows up because TNA should remeber how many times he and Jeff Hardy have burned them.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:10 AM
Raw won on the numbers, but everyone expected that.
But you would say TNA won overall on the night because it was a hyped up show for both companies, meant to be big nights for both, TNA got an extra lot of viewers for their show Raw did pretty much the same as what they normally do and didn't gain anything for a hyped show.
Not saying TNA took anyone away from WWE because wwe got pretty similar to their normal, but certainly it had positives for TNA whereas didn't change much for WWE.
Before TNA can even think of properly going monday nights they need to have some decent follow up shows first, no doubt probably the next impact may get some more viewers, but it must put a decent show on to keep them interested.
Posted By: Bigdavej (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:19 AM
I would rather watch The Nasty Boys than Hornswoggle every fuckin' week. I hope The Nasty Boys and Val Venis was a one time appearance but how can anyone argue Jeff Hardy and Ric Flair on TNA was sweet. I watched Raw and it was the same shit, Kofi vs Orton and DX vs Jerishow. Other than Bret Hart showing up, Raw sucked balls just like every week. TNA just got the ball rolling and so far, it has been good. I'll take AJ Styles vs Kurt Angle against any match in WWE. WWE better put CM Punk vs Bryan Danielson real soon.
Posted By: The Fett (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:35 AM
That is seriously amazing news for TNA. I honestly expected them to take a drop in the ratings to a .8 or .9 against Raw, but they held their own. While people said it would be a disaster to go against Raw, they actually gained viewers from their regular timeslot. It may not be a win over the WWE, but it is a major win for the company.
Posted By: JDW (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:48 AM
AJ Vs Kurt or Sheamus V Bourne..... HMMMMMM???????????
Posted By: BobZ (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:04 AM
"Midget court.... really? That's all it take to get you dumbasses to watch WWE?"
Damn skippy! Now TNA will take neglected former WWE wrestlers like Val Venis and Orlando Jordan and use them to their fullest potential... just like they did with Stevie Richards and Al Snow. CROSS THE LINE!!!
Posted By: TNAsshole (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:39 AM
face it tna won
Posted By: e (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:54 AM
Midget court.... really? That's all it take to get you dumbasses to watch WWE?
Posted By: Alvin (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:32 PM
Idiot.
Posted By: Kip (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 05:14 AM
WWE sucks and has done so for many years. Its a for kids.
Regardless if you think a load of washed up WWE stars went over to TNA, they did so to make a statement. That statement was:
"screw WWE"
WWE is predictable. The wrestling sucks, and WWE doesnt have a clue how to push their own wrestlers.
WWE has been around for ages now. Its like a household name, so naturally people will stay with what they know.
I for one am tired with crap matches, crap characters, and crap story lines.
The match between AJ and Angle alone blows away anything that WWE has produced for quite a few years.
Stop clinging to the past for the sake of it and support wrestling. Not just a name brand.
Posted By: Sly (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 05:26 AM
LOL at people who call divas match on "RAW" as "descent" match
Posted By: L'Mago (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 06:01 AM
So everybody wins.
Posted By: The Dutch (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:15 PM
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Yes, everybody wins:-)!!
Posted By: Legend (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 06:25 AM
The rediculous part of this is WWE fans, before this Monday....TNA won't win doesn't matter. TNA fans swearing up and down that TNA will win its "wrestling" not "sports entertainment"
THe ratings come in and a lot of people are back away from their statements? All of a sudden it was a good night for wrestling because fankly TNA didn't get the 3.0 Hogan hyped or the in statment is "no one really expected TNA to beat Raw" Really? Isn't that what the argument has been ever since they announced this Monday night show? And for all of the wrestling that TNA boasts I don't know I saw a lot of sports entertainment being done.
As for WWE, same show, different Host just this Host was one of their more decorated that they pullled out just to show that they are still the company everyone wants to either work for or work to beat.
Both companies had a lot of time to plan these shows and on many levels both delivered nothing. To the fans saying that those old veterans were just there to create a buzz....won't wrestle.....fine I give you that but if we all agree TNA has all this talent in the locker room why use all these veterans with the precious tv time you had outside of advertising? It wasnt the right move it got them a spark and hell might move them to Monday nights but the goal should be growing your company and increasing the ratings not just trying to get what you have on Thursdays and hope it sticks. It won't WWE's monday rating rarely ever stays where its supposed to and even its rating spiked but will most likely go back down next week.
TNA put on a great match with Styles/Angle thats to be expected of them by now. However what shouldn't be expected is them once again half assing home grown talent for shock value of older veterans and before you bitch about WWE does the same.....TNA is under more scrutiny because it has ONE show to get it right and like it or not they for some odd reason can't get Spike or any invester to get them a second show to show their entire roster like WWE does with smackdown, superstars and ECW. Which sucks cause they dont need the veterans that were either let go or left voluntarily from WWE.
But you wanna celebrate, move the show to Mondays, but here is the thing....for a three hour show they gave a lot of time for advertising to pay their bills.....take away 60 minutes of that and run your regular two hours, on a prime day like Monday you will still lose too much time to advertisers and low and behold your "wrestling" show will have to cut its wrestling match times to satisfy advertisers and story lines. Look at the entire picture and know that TNA still has some work to be done.
Posted By: Guest#3300 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 06:53 AM
the great thing about where i live is the Score (in canada) plays Raw at 9:15, so i could watch Hogan, then turn and still watch all of Bret Hart. It was great. i wonder how that effects rating? ?
Posted By: Huh? (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:12 AM
A win for TNA and not-so-much of a win for WWE (since it drew only a "a-bit-higher-than-usual-rating"). A win for wrestling to say the least. I still felt last Monday night's wrestling wasn't that stellar though for both companies(the only things that really caught my attention were the Hart-Michaels angle and the Styles-Angle match).
Posted By: lubloom (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:13 AM
Comments like these make me sad, y the fuck cnt people b happy that tna made progress that we may b in 4 what we have all wanted 4 years is a chance at competition again my fingers are crossed this is the start of another golden age of this industry
Posted By: Really? (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:17 AM
This can only be good for business. Those announcing a new monday night war are premature (ejaculators, hurhur), but this proves that TNA does have a product that people want to watch, while also showing them that they still have a lot of work to do. That said, the show itself was terrible apart from a few of the promos and the AJ/Angle match.
Posted By: Cun\' (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:29 AM
one more thing... I hope this pushes the Dudleys to the extreme... I miss my flaming tables... I think that should be a reserved fate for the Nasty Boys...
Posted By: tstrike (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:30 AM
TNA didn't do to bad...went up from its normal rate. I expected a 2.0 and for Raw to get at least a 4.0...but this just shows wrestling isn't as hot as it once was.
Posted By: Hey (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:48 AM
Kofi, Orton, Swagger, Bourne can go with Angle and Styles anyday of the week.
"Yea right..maybe Orton."
Posted By: phhh (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:50 AM
Well looks like the ratings don't lie...so much for TNA - Pulled everyone out of retirement, reformed the NWO, had Hogan and still got an average of 1.4. ECW normally pulls a 1.0 - is an hour long and taped in advance with no major star (unless you count Regal!!)
SO with all you did you got .4 better than WWE's 3rd show. This is supposed to be a wrestling war?? The first WCW Nitro ever got a 2.5 rating that did a whole point better....What a joke TNA is.
And what is this about ditching the 6 sided ring...good job, hogan comes in and destroys your identity as well...it's laughable.
NICE JOB!!!
Posted By: ken (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:58 AM
Did anyone think that when HBK hugged Bret that Vince would come out and ring the bell and declare that Bret submitted via bearhug?
Posted By: John B Hopkins (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 08:40 AM
But it's WAY more fun to pull our dicks out and say "the corporation of my choice is better than the corporation of your choice!" What's the point of just sitting back and enjoying the competition and the improved product put out as a result? Fuck dat noize, yo! I'd rather just be a faceless, unpaid shill for one or the other. I don't even really care which - just give me the world in broad black and white strokes with a big flag to wave so I feel as though I'm contributing something. Go [preferred wrestling company]! Kick [other wrestling company]'s ass! They can't even get a [numerical rating] despite bringing in [popular wrestler]! [Other wrestling company] = [terribly outdated internet meme]! Genesis does what Nintendon't!
Posted By: Guest#3193 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:39 PM
This guy speaks the truth. It's sad that its the way it is right now. Everyone should just wish that wrestling gets better overall because of this so called "monday night war." If TNA goes monday than things and hopefully ratings can only get better.
Posted By: Guest#5295 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 08:40 AM
People, stop the bashing, TNA is still a young company. If TNA goes to Monday Nights, that would help the business overall and face, the angle v styles match alone was better than Monday Night Raw period...Raw has never been the same since the celebrity guest host, it feels like a variety show. Therefore, TNA is going to the top!
Posted By: ThaWiz 1983 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:05 AM
Set up: 2 tvs
Hour 1: Main Screen ROH, 2nd Screen TNA
Hour 2: Main Screen WWE, 2nd Screen TNA
Hour 3: Main Screen WWE, 2nd Screen TNA
Ummm...ROH was a great, great action, fast paced with wrestling. TNA was 2 matches, botched with too many commercials.
Hour 2 TNA in Canada started 15 minutes before WWE so by the time the hogan thing was over TNA went to no wrestling, so WWE took the main screen.
Hour 3 other than TNA main event taking the main screen for a few minutes it was dominated by WWE.
Overall, ROH was the best show, it moved more story lines on, had more matches than a 3 hour tna and 2 hour raw and better quality - although the announcing sucks, the guys on the show try.
I had people over who haven't watched wrestling in years, and they didnt see what all the hype was about for TNA? I promised them wrestling and they didnt see it until the last match - not much of an alternative?
Still, hope tna keeps growing - bring back Curry Man so the wife will watch again.
Posted By: truview (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:07 AM
I still think Vince owns TNA, All I need now is Shane to show up on TNA as Proof. Its like they done things in the last 5 Months to set up for this night. Strange but Fun to watch.
Posted By: tweeter (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:20 AM
It is nice that TNA did better on Monday Night but lets be honest, the first hour and a half was crap. The DQ in the X Division match was a terrible way to go. Pope defeating Wolfe was even worse, you've booked Wolfe like a threat up until just a few weeks ago and now he's losing to Pope? AJ and Angle had a great match and I enjoyed the KO's tag match {except for Kong, she bores me to tears} but then you have a very short Raven and Stevie vs Morgan and Hernandez. I knew a squash was coming but it wasn't even worth mentioning in a list of matches. It always seems like TNA can book a great first second half but can't book a great first.
I'm all for TNA and WWE being on Monday nights but TNA has to really pick it up in their booking.
Posted By: Mac (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:36 AM
That's where you're wrong. A smaller arena means a louder crowd. TNA's crowd was loud all night long, while RAW's crowd was silent most of the night.
Posted By: panik (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:48 AM
You forgot to mention they are also planted and paid to be loud....so take THAT for what is worth. Most of him probably think an atomic drop is a piledriver and the whole NWO thing is something new and fresh
Posted By: larry (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:46 AM
How is this a victory for wrestling fans? I wanted to watch both shows last night and couldn't because I would have mised too much flipping back and forth so i stayed with Raw. TNA should stay on Thursday nights and continue to build an audience without worying about becoming number #1 or some other such nonsense. If they lose sight of the long-term, like WCW did when they desperately tried to become #1, they will find themselves out of business. Build an audience with an unopposed night, craft good storylines that progress and make sense, and stop hotshotting angles because you want to beat RAW in the ratings. That should be the least of their concerns right now. Sure, tnhey drew a 1.5, but maybe if they had put this show on a Thursday they would have drawn a 2.5 or 3.0. Terrible, short-sighted move by TNA.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:58 AM
What's all the TNA excitement. they didn't even hit 2.0 Yes they got their highest ratings but it'll drop back down.
Posted By: Guest#5403 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:03 AM
Now TNA will take neglected former WWE wrestlers like Val Venis and Orlando Jordan and use them to their fullest potential... just like they did with Stevie Richards and Al Snow. CROSS THE LINE!!!
Posted By: TNAsshole (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:39 AM
Or like Elijah Burke and Matt Morgan? Those with potential will shine through, Richards and Snow are well past their best years, Val can still go.
Nobody expected TNA to beat Raw's rating but they not only kept their fanbase but increased their ratings from the 1.1 of late to 1.5. The show had some good matches and was a lot of fun to watch.
I saw both shows but TNA stood out as the ones making an effort for the fans. An exciting show vs standard Raw with a dis-interested Bret.
The biggest winners were those not too stupid to be an obsessed, deluded fanboy and just enjoyed the atmosphere of a great night of wrestling.
Posted By: D (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Really wouldn't mind seeing these two shows go head to head without the hoopla of guest hosts and surprise debuts...Raw on a regular week vs Impact on a regular week...nothing fancy
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:51 AM
To all of the TNA fans who are pitching woodies with these numbers, and actually think this is the start of something awesome, wipe the baby juice from your eyes. Monday night was the highest Impact will draw, guaranteed. Everyone wanted to see what Hogan would do, and all we got was one good match and ALL of the old WCW retreads. Enjoy the one night of glory, for your company is already close to ruins.
Posted By: Essa Rios (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:52 AM
TNA was not going to beat WWE. They did however increase the viewership. Nitro didnt beat RAW right away. There were some crappy NITROS as well before they started winning. Its one week folks ... give it a rest.
Its the desire for instant gratification that amazes me here. If TNA didnt beat WWE, thats it ... its over.
Im glad your parents didnt have that same mentality when they taught you to walk...ok junior 1 time to learn to walk, if you dont, thats it no more.
Chris Jericho is right :) You people need to be saved.
Posted By: What did you expect (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Remember what comes on this Thursday? That's right
...................................................................... ...................BCS Championship GO BAMA! ROLL TIDE! FUCK TNA!
Posted By: Captain Obvious (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Raw scored a 3.6, hahahahahahahahaha
Bob Barker >>>>>>>>Brett Hart
Posted By: Sheepbait (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 11:59 AM
"WWE>>>>>>TNA
fuck TNA
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:07 PM"
Don't get yer panties in a bunch Ian, it's just entertainment.
Even though your insight into the business IS remarkable.
Posted By: Japhe (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:00 PM
A lot of people seem so eager to crap all over WWE, or on TNA.
Both shows have had highs and lows in the past, but if having TNA run mondays starts another era of creativity, engaging storylines, and good wrestling, then WTF should we be upset about?
Posted By: Spanky Mobster (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Raw wins, both in product and in ratings. Keep on trying to spin facts TNA. You guys were embarrassed.
Posted By: Jamal (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:17 PM
So AM Raw got nearly just as many viewers as Impact? Brutal.
Posted By: Talon (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Survey says:
TNA...NUMBER 1
I just want to wish congrats to TNA on a great wrestling ratings victory!
Posted By: elvylanda (guest) (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:29 PM
"Too bad for them, Vince and the WWE are aware that its 2010."
Ummm... really? In a show highlighted by HBK, Bret Hart, Vince McMahon, and HHH replaying the Montreal Screwjob ad nauseum, you can really post this comment?
Oh, I keep forgetting that Mike Tyson will be guest-hosting next week. So, you're right, McMahon doesn't think it's 1997 -- he thinks it's 1998.
And where are the WWE markboys getting that TNA said they would win.
Only Hogan ever said they would "beat" WWE. Yet WWE marks take that to mean every TNA fan said that. Every post I've read from everyone but that single Hogan article said they hoped they did better, but were certainly NOT expecting to beat Raw. Pretty much every post I've read here has said the same thing.
Only WWE fanboys decided that TNA would drop in the rating badly. Instead, they went up. By quite a good margin (and to the mathlete who said they went up to 1.4, learn to read)
Sad little WWE fanboys. Why does TNA bother you so damn much?
Posted By: Guest#2376 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:29 PM
so in the end , DURING their biggest show till date, they went back to their usual 1.1 and 1.2 ??
hahaha
Posted By: hiro (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Monday night I found that it was really hard to decide between Raw and Impact. Raw was basically just like any normal Raw and on the other end you had AJ Styles vs. Kurt Angle for the title....Impact definitely had the more entertaining wrestling that's for sure. Raw was just like any normal Raw.
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:33 PM
"Well looks like the ratings don't lie...so much for TNA - Pulled everyone out of retirement, reformed the NWO, had Hogan and still got an average of 1.4. ECW normally pulls a 1.0 - is an hour long and taped in advance with no major star (unless you count Regal!!)
SO with all you did you got .4 better than WWE's 3rd show. This is supposed to be a wrestling war?? The first WCW Nitro ever got a 2.5 rating that did a whole point better....What a joke TNA is.
And what is this about ditching the 6 sided ring...good job, hogan comes in and destroys your identity as well...it's laughable.
NICE JOB!!!
Posted By: ken (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:58 AM"
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It's all a matter of math...
- Raw scored a 3.6 (the same as it scored last week), which is down from the 4.1s it was scoring in February. It's lowest rating this year has been a 3.2. This proves one of two things true; either Bret didn't draw any additional viewers over last week or Bret's appearance made up for all the lost viewers.
- Impact scored a 1.5, it's highest rating ever has been a 1.3 before this. They've been getting .9-1.0s as of late. The new names involved with the company will increase PPV buyrates, merchandise sales and, yes, even tv ratings. To hardcore wrestling fans guys like the Nasty Boys and Val Venis will mean nothing but to casual wrestling fans of the past it'll give them a reason to checkout what the old-timers are up to.
The ring thing was a rumor and I haven't seen any news about it actually happening at the tapings.
Posted By: RDR (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:45 PM
"Ye it was a great night for us fans but, lets not forget this huge factoid, Hogan promised a 3.0 rating 2 weeks ago for his appearance!!!!!
Posted By: rez_perez (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:09 PM"
"TNA Impact drew a 1.5 rating with 2.2 million viewers, easily a new ratings record for TNA. Impact peaked with 2.9 million viewers for the 9PM to 9:15PM ET segment which featured Hulk Hogan. That segment went head to head with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels on RAW. TNA's previous record high rating was a 1.33 with 1.97 million viewers, so last night's rating beat their record by over 200,000 viewers."
Reading is Fundamental
Posted By: Guest#9340 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:49 PM
RAW 3.6 TNA 1.5
Safe to say that Bret had ZERO affect in the rating since it was the same as last weeks. He's a bust.
Posted By: JJ's Guitar (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:03 PM
Dixie Carter take note: THIS is the bastard child you just adopted. You just allowed Hogan to bring ALL of his cronies in. Hardy ok. Nice to see Ric Flair, yes. Sean Morley showing up was fun....for just the one segment.
New and cutting edge? No. Fucking. Way.
Posted By: CokeZero (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:06 PM
The Monday Night Wars could be back permanently. How you don't see that as a good thing, even if you're a WWE loyalist, is beyond me. Both companies will be striving for a better product now.
Posted By: C (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:15 PM
BTW, if TNA goes the way of WCW, that means TNA will be the biggest wrestling company in the world, almost putting WWE out of business, changing the face of wrestling and sparking a new golden era, and finally lighting the fire under the E's ass that led to Stone Cold, The Rock, and the Attitude Era . . Um, how is that bad? That would be fucking amazing, actually. You guys need to take a step back and shed the 'E'-go.
Posted By: C (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:23 PM
Ya know, TNA did have a good wrestling match in the main event, but other than that, it was garbage. It was exactly what WWE fans have been saying, they brought out every WWE washout they could. Fact is, TNA had just as much if not more promo time than WWE did. TNA came off as much more of a soap opera program over wrestling than WWE. So TNA fans, get over yourselves. I hope for competition too as Raw still sucked this week, but TNA wasn't any better other than ONE match, that's it.
BTW, your an idiot if you really think its good for WRESTLING having Hogan back, along with Hall, Waltman, Bischoff, Flair(old Flair needs to retire for good, sorry its true). Oh ya, let's not forget, the Nasty Boys!!! What a feud, Nasty's vs. Team 3d!!! Its the feud we never wanted even back in the day cause the Nasty's were washed up then!!!!
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:32 PM
A good night for both shows. Anybody who says differently is probably an idiot.
Posted By: chumpstain (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:35 PM
What do you mean Nitro did not win right away.
WCW won the first head to head contest against Raw 2.5-2.2
Posted By: Leon (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:58 PM
The comments that have been posted from the Hogan announcement about Jan 4 through the present is exactly why my handle is the most accurate thing on the Internet.
You little bitches will find anything and everything to complain about even when the news is overwhelmingly positive.
Hey 411 authors: You always wonder why people like me try to separate "wrestling fan on the Internet" vs. "IWC member"? This is why!
Posted By: IWC=Douches (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:59 PM
TNA could really do something if they got Randy Savage to guest host. Trust me Vince is making that call.
Posted By: Leon (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 01:59 PM
As far as comparing TNA to WCW, with all the clebrity guest hosts and crappy-ass angles in the WWE lately I wouldn't be quick to make the comparison. RAW has been more like Thunder lately.
Posted By: Guest#5074 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:02 PM
Its sad to see this on a wrestling site. But never the less i dont need to make a point to the WWE universe hell i WAS part of the WCW fanboys that crossed around 99 and the turn of the century. That being said WWF was on a hot period up until about 2004 after that is seemed all down hill. If you look at facts the monday night audience used to dominate everything else and when WCW disappeared it took alot of fans with it, fans that wont come back after they new the invasion was bullshit(the moment WWF vs WCW became WWF vs WCW/ECW)it should have been larger than Wrestlemania 17(that same year)and it was your average bs wwf shit -attitude! it was the beggining of the end for alot of WRESTLING FANS!!!That being said in 02 here comes TNA 2002 sucking ass or was it...it was new going up against WWE what was now split(SMACKDOWN(WWF)) and RAW(WCW 2.0) in 2003/2004 and if im full of it check the roster, gm, and the belts bitches! but here TNA is the new guy by now and managed to take on RAW live and pull there best sais something. Like it or not, TNA aint going nowhere but up! I dont know what to tell the trolls at 411 and on this site but they aint going to repeat WCW's mistakes if its alot of ex WCW employees and fans that in reality hate Vince beating them more than the backstage politics that took place there, TNA wants to beat them, they ex superstars/wrestlers want to beat them, the backstage crew wants to beat them. this company is DETERMINED TO WIN and have been for a while and they grow year after year after year. WCW didnt beat RAW with the cruisers they added to the product it was alot of WCW/NWA wrestlers that may have jumped to WWF at some point and came back or WWF/ECW wrestlers that jumped along with Their own home grown wrestlers. TNA has the formula going on and every year they extend, UNIVERSE in denile ask yourself this? if it took thw nwa then wcw as long as it did to catch up, and this little company is nearly half way there, how long is it going to take before they CAN hang with RAW no longer WAR. its the road to wrestlemania and they still pulled they best rating. after mania its back to bullshit till summerslam. quit kidding yourselves and just watch them cause take it from a 20 year fan, who 24 who was watching from the time I was a kid(4 years old watching hogan macho sting and hating ric fn flair!!!)and now my kid watches it(sting/tna and machismo/tna)TNA will catch up to them in numbers maybe not money but numbers and if they even put a show on monday from 8 to 10 and its live, they gonna hang with the big boys because tna fans are adults(which means live theirs no SPOILERS) they will watch! They have a loyal audience that sticks with them every night they on and only room to grow. wwe wont bring the brands back together, its on!
Posted By: UNBIAS (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:10 PM
It's all a matter of math...
- Raw scored a 3.6 (the same as it scored last week), which is down from the 4.1s it was scoring in February. It's lowest rating this year has been a 3.2. This proves one of two things true; either Bret didn't draw any additional viewers over last week or Bret's appearance made up for all the lost viewers.
- Impact scored a 1.5, it's highest rating ever has been a 1.3 before this. They've been getting .9-1.0s as of late. The new names involved with the company will increase PPV buyrates, merchandise sales and, yes, even tv ratings. To hardcore wrestling fans guys like the Nasty Boys and Val Venis will mean nothing but to casual wrestling fans of the past it'll give them a reason to checkout what the old-timers are up to.
The ring thing was a rumor and I haven't seen any news about it actually happening at the tapings.
Posted By: RDR (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Your seems pretty fuzzy to me...all speculation buddy....1.5 count it 1.5...thats .5 higher than ECW. What war? Are people REALLY clamoring for another Hogan shirt? REALLY? Oh I REALLY need a new NASTY BOY shirt...oh wait can I PLEASE Pretty PLEASE get a Val Venus shirt...or you kidding?
Raw got a 3.7 or 3.8 take your pick.
Boise St. vs TCU was also on Monday that could also help explain why Raw didn't do better and get a 4+ (they always get killed and lose mega amounts of people against football).
Bottom line is people tuned in at the start of TNA and even then only got a 1.7 and by the end of the show they lost 30% of the audience and by the time the show ended had a 1.2....so they built of an audience how exactly?
People tuned in to see that carny act Hogan and then left...simple as that. How is that cultivating a new audience?? Its a joke
When they get a 1.2 next week and there is no "impact" (HAHAHAHA) then we will see what everyone has to say.
Posted By: jake (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:28 PM
Yeah, TNA may look like WCW 1999 2.0, but if they can figure out where they went wrong the first time then they might be able to give it a better shot this time around. Everybody's saying that all the old wrestlers are coming back to beat the new ones. That may not be the case. My theory is that they may have brought in the old talent to tutor the new talent in the ways of the business keep the old ones behind the scenes so to speak. The newer wrestlers don't have a clue what to do other than wrestle in most cases, and about 90% of them need a LOT better mic skills. Yoda (meaning Hogan) will teach them, he will.....
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:30 PM
AM Raw did a better number than TNA's main event. and thats a fact.
Posted By: Guest#7895 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:45 PM
Yeash the ratings nosedived in the second hour for Impact.
Posted By: Guest#1122 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 02:59 PM
Sugarcoat it all you want but fact is fact
HOGAN FAILED
Posted By: Guest#6118 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:08 PM
Both shows had their very weak points. TNA: Orange Dome of Blindness(+2) and the cage DQ/no contest; the best thing they could do with TBP on their big show is rehash a RAW skit from like 10 years ago?
RAW: US/Divas matches. One was boring, the other was brutal (thugh not nearly as bad as Maryse/KK from last week). Eating up SOOO much time on Bretty montages yet only using the man for the opening, the closing and ONE segment throughout the show... Why is the most anticipated host also the least used host they've had? Obviously they laid the seed to start an angle at the end but it could've been so much better.
At the end of the day I would put a small bet down on Vince only seeing all the viewers he still could be getting on Monday nights. That elusive 1.5 that won't tune in to midgets, two minute Diva "matches" and asst. other garbage.
Posted By: elgrannoche (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:44 PM
TNA outclasses WWE in story lines and actual wrestling. WWE brings back the same lame crap night after night.
Posted By: Steve K (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 03:47 PM
"But like it or not these numbers will mean the monday night wars wil be back. Would also be great if WWE upped the ante on thirsday nights. A little comeptitin is good for everyone because without it you get what you all have seen on WWE the past 5 years...a frigging snooze fest....
And for all the people who think that any of those guys that showed up last night will be wrestling or signed you're delusioonal (but thats why your WWE fans I suppose) because you actually all thought bret Hart was goign to be wrestling for WWE too. These guys are all 40+, havent done anything in years, most are crippled and can barely walk but your living in 1996 all over again and think when you see them oncamera they'll be put into a ring automatically. They are there for buzz and for morons like you to think they will wrestle. But you morons actually think they will while the average person can only speculate but then use their brain to realize it wont happen."
Hey Dickwad- before you go insinuating people are stupid because of who may and may not wrestle get a couple things straight: One- no one expected Hart to wrestle- he had a stroke. And two- learn how to spell if you are going to criticize the intelligence of other people. There is no 'i' in 'Thursday' you fucking moron.
Posted By: James II (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Well done sir. Correcting someones spelling on the internet means immediate victory to you. Oh wait............... no it doesnt.
You dont agree with the guy but instead of intelligently countering his views with your own, you bitch about a typo? Fucking pathetic.
The letter I is next to U on the keyboard. He has obviously just pressed the wrong key by accident.
You fucking cynt!
Posted By: Carl Amari (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:04 PM
Bah, both are losers and teh suxxors, cos either could get ME and their ratings would just gloriously SKY-ROCKET!
Posted By: Paul Roma (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:07 PM
Name me one match of the year candidate WCW had post-1996 until their demise five years later? Besides Eddie-Rey at Havoc '98, there were none, and absolutely none on the main event level. All of you WCW fans trying to write revisionist history are predicating it on the fact that they scored good ratings. But if you look at thier actual product during that time, post the beginnings of the NWO angle in late 1996, it was absolute garbage. Disjointed angles, hot shotted main events given away for free on Monday nights to pop a cheap rating, etc. TNA is following the same path with their newfound, ill-advised strategy to be #1 in the ratings. Who cares? Make money ands grow organically, then see where you stand in the rankings.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:09 PM
Impact only did .1 better than AM RAW. That's some scary shit.
Posted By: Slick (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 04:35 PM
"TNA Impact scored a 1.5 rating, the first hour did a 1.69 and 2,536,000 million viewers. The second and third hour did a 1.33 average and 2,034,00 viewers"
Lmao. Around 500,000 people stopped watching after the firt hour.
All jokes aside though, I've never really cared about ratings, I just want to see good wrestling. I heard AJ vs. Angle was awesome, so I'll have to check that out. Also I'm still waiting for ROH's monday night show to be put on Youtube. Roderick Strong vs. Davey Richards is always good.
Posted By: Yup. (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 05:31 PM
Wrestling wins....enjoy it bitches...
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 08:28 PM
My thoughts exactly - but too many die hard fans are too busy playing "my cock's bigger than your cock" like a bunch of tedious cocks.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 05:37 PM
Dixe, all I know is that you know your stuff and anyone who comments all those negative things should go to church and pray to god for all the negative things people say about you and TNA.
I was surely entertained although the boys got back together. The plot in Hulk Hogan letting his ole friends beware that they had to work themselves just like anyone else made the ole story change. I liked that segment. It's not the same ole sh-t like some people are stating.
I loved TNA and it did make a strong statement. Keep on doing new ideas and listen to the positve fans and maybe change would be more anticipated and followed.
My whole family or at least the one's that watch TNA liked the show, my friends at work did. It's just these negative fans.
I can't beleive that they eat with the same "mouth"..
Posted By: Billy Jack (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 07:22 PM
Looks like the return of Bret didn't even make a dent from Raw's usual numbers according to that news entry, or maybe just not as big as I'd thought it'd be. I read before it was as big as after Summerslam...I really thought it'd be more as me and others that haven't watched for years tuned in for Bret.
Posted By: Guest#3679 (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 08:00 PM
I love how they break this down, they dont have a frigging clue as to what hour did what or who went where or why.
All they have are a few halfwits with some boxes or writing inand then they extrapolate those numbers out in accordance with the number of TV sets in the US and make up some ficticious number.
People that were watching TNA were also watching RAW, and people watching RAW were also watching TNA, and like I said there were more than a few guys watching that NCAA football game that were probably fliping around as well.
So for them to try and say that 250,000 were watching then, and 300K were watching there is stupid. It is afe to say that if there were actually 7 million people watching wrestling they were ALL flipping back and forth between both shows. And more than likely when one side had a commercial the other side got a massive spike.
it is a wonder TNA didnt do a lot better since RAW runs so many commercials and replays during RAW that half the show is stuff you have already seen or dont want to see.
Even if TNA had posted something like a .5 share it still wouldnt have meant anything. Monday night is the night to have a wrestling show on, BOTH sides will benefit from it simply from cross traffic. Thats exactly why those Monday night wars took off because it got ALL wrestling fans tuning in on a single night and they just watched both shows. And as soon as WCW disappeared, then so did the great numbers for RAW, and they have been declining ever since.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 09:49 PM
Sure Impact could have been better, but so could every Marvel movie ever made. The only way TNA wasn't more fun to watch than WWE is if you were looking way too hard for stuff to complain about.
Posted By: Burnout (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 09:04 PM
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Damn right, best comment I've read so far. I think both promotions put on an awesome show, and if TNA moves to Monday nights, we can expect both companies to bring their a-game, how can anyone really complain about that?
Posted By: dvs (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Enough of shitting both WWE and TNA impact I hope both of these beat Monday Night Football the most overating sport of this past era that gets praise from wrestling fans how pathetic please don't allow football to take over and pro-wrestling to disappear.
Posted By: Cookies (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Only way TNA come close to Raw ratings is when you compair TNA ratings (1.5 higest 1-4-10 ) to AM RAW ratings (1.4 higest 1-2-10)......tisk tisk TNA= WSX. Ok thats too crule!
Posted By: The Iron Truth (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 11:16 PM
So RAW drew the same rating as before and Impact had well...no Impact on it.
Sure they drew a higher raiting than normal, but after hypoing it like amde and pulling a number of surprises I would expect that...I doubt they can back it up though week in week out
Posted By: Cyco (Guest) on January 06, 2010 at 11:18 PM
off top dont claim to be unbias this shit all over one side, you tend to have people pretty much disregard your points no matter how long you been a fan.
Truth be told both companies did well. Since everyone wants to be a math professor. Raw did its exact same numbers from last week, Impact, had its core fans from Thursday tune in as well. Both shows had their core fan base, TNA benefited from those that didn't have a pro game to watch and refused to watch the college game.
Congrats to them. If anything Hogan got to prove his point in that the company seems to not keep fans unless he is involved because after his first appearance..show went back to core fans......who didn't tune back in to Raw they found something else to watch.
Thats what the numbers show, because they fell off and didn't go to Raw because as pointed out they had the same rating correct?
So congrats to TNA but at the same time I don't know as a fan of TNA that I need Hogan's ego fed anymore because the numbers proved they will see him and if thats it will leave instead of watching talented wrestlers.
So now, they need to put on another show on monday to see if they can keep those fans that will tune in.
WWE as you saw will step their game up, hell if anything bet they won't run TNA commercials during their show again.
And for the ones back tracking saying "hogan said 3.0 the TNA fans didn't" come one which version of 411 were you on. Soon as Hogan opened his mouth the hate and shit talking picked up exponentially. So it wasn't just hogan TNA fans jumped on the wagon as well and WWE fans took it to the extreme. In all honestly glad this many fans exist but this level of devotion is getting crazy.
TNA should decide to run impact atleast a month straight on Mondays see what the numbers say. That might prove to people the product they have and possibly when over fans. Most fans KNOW this was a one shot deal and won't look for it again next week. And if the WWE knew that they would have to go head to head for several weeks maybe then they can plan better.
And for the wrestling fan talkin about this was a stumbling block on the road to Mania...the e road to Mania normally doesn't start until AFTER the Royal Rumble.
Posted By: Guest#8756 (Guest) on January 07, 2010 at 08:32 AM
This WWE is better TNA is better is dumb @ss. True fans watch the best match ups and wrestlers regardless of what promotion they wrestle under. I love to see all the former WWE stars still wrestle today. WWE has dumped many good wrestlers in the past and for them to be able to do what they love is awesome. WCW ECW AWA NWA WWF give me more give me more and yeah shout out to MCW. Those little guys can put on good matches. I would love to see DEMO on Monday RAW or TNA. I dont love WWE or TNA I love WRESTLING !!!
Posted By: Wrestla 4 Life aka GAMEFU360 (Guest) on October 08, 2011 at 09:30 PM
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