Yeah, but what about him pinning Sting in two moves? that's a pretty big debut.. this also gets viewers
for next week as RVD fans will want to see him get revenge for spoiling their moment.
Posted By: Harold (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:35 AM
He's 100% right. So dumb.
Posted By: Also a Chris (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:39 AM
RVD's TNA debut was almost as successful as mine
Posted By: Disco Inferno (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:40 AM
He's absolutely right. A 1st-time match between Sting and RVD only goes :25, makes Sting look absolutely weak, and to add insult to injury, the beatdown only made RVD look like a lucky rookie who got attacked by an angry veteran.
Brag about the ratings all you want...but TNA needs to book for the long-term, not for the 2 hours of showtime.
Posted By: IWC Member #900001 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:44 AM
"The burial of Jericho 20 seconds into his debut in WWF was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless."
Posted By: Dick (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Dear Mr Jericho,
What you are failing to realize is the bigger picture here. RVD beat what many people think, myself included, to be a wrestling icon of the past 20 years and was your biggest surprise in the opening minutes of your new monday show, in 10 F*CKING SECONDS!!! with a flying kick and a rolling thunder Basically moves that couldn't put scotty 2 hottie away 5 years ago. clueless does not even begin to describe it
thank you
faceman802
Posted By: faceman802 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Jericho should be happy. I thought he hated RVD.
Posted By: Guest#4431 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Exactly!
Posted By: Talon (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Right because beating one of the biggest legends in pro wrestling in 20 seconds wasn't a good enough debut. Plus the beatdown got the fucking impact zone to boo sting, thats about the only way they could have done it
Posted By: wow (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:57 AM
I'm no fan of Jericho and I've never understood the fascination with RVD either. For me the beatdown was better than that gay little kick he did off the top rope when he first came out, what the hell was that supposed to be? And all the flips into a splash? Lame.
Posted By: Guest#0213 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Good to see that all the WWE superstars were watching TNA last night.
Posted By: Guest#0351 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:58 AM
I totally agree, watching that just made no scenes to me at all. He comes in and people go crazy for a whole 10 second match and then gets a 10 minute beat down.
Posted By: Anthony (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:58 AM
It's called progressing a story line, by Sting beating up RVD now fans will really hate Sting. And it sets up a Sting vs RVD which should be good.
Posted By: Sully (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:59 AM
It makes perfect sense.
He debuts, gets a quick win as Sting was caught off guard.
Sting further establishes himself as the heel gaining way more heat from taking out a big fan favourite.
TNA save RVD's first full match for a later date (presumably PPV) and avoid people crying at TNA giving away RVD vs Sting on 'free tv' (that isn't free).
It also creates the buzz that RVD is in TNA and people will tune in next week to see what he has to say.
Only a complete idiot wouldn't see all of the positives.
Posted By: simple (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Amen, Chris. That was awful. Hey, let's throw away Sting v. RVD as a 30 second squash, then beat RVD down like a chump!
Forget WWE V. TNA. What we're bearing witness to right now is TNA v. $$$.
Posted By: Jay Evans (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:01 PM
I hated both shows. I admit, I watched Impact more because it was the better show, but they both absolutely sucked. Raw was the same as always and Impact while having a good X-Division match made me be embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. And yes, I agree with Jericho, that RVD's debut was terrible at no fault of his.
At least ROH never lets me down. :)
Posted By: Greatest Man That Ever Lived (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Y2J put on a clinic with Goldust last week on Superstars. An abortion clinic, that is. LOL!
Posted By: EZMark (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Why is the WWE world champion watching TNA?
I thought, according to WWE, that TNA did not exist.
Posted By: Vinny (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Wait a minute, Chris Jericho, a WWE EMPLOYEE, admitted on on his site that he watched TNA Impact instead of watching RAW.
Jericho, you should be ashamed of yourself, how dare you watch TNA!
Posted By: pauly (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I would tend to agree, but a friend of mine suggested that it a) gives RVD a clear target for a continuing feud, and b) gives Sting a popular program that doesn't involve lurking in the rafters with a baseball bat.
We'll see if the TNA folks have that in mind, or if they'll just screw it up as usual.
Posted By: Tony (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:10 PM
heh, heh, heh, this is TOO funny
The WWE World Heavyweight Champion just admitted he watched Impact instead of Raw.
Chris Jericho so desparatly wants to be in TNA.
Posted By: Ronnie (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:11 PM
well, it's just a one shot deal right?
Posted By: DVR (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:11 PM
How long before RVD realizes that TNA is just another small promotion that everyone dreads to work for and wants to leave in order to get to the WWE. Youve got so many talented performers but no real " story lines " in order for fans to follow there favorite performer. If you want to watch wrestling go to your local college or high school. Give the Male Soap opera its luster and get these guys out there performing. Please give us back our performers not this bull shitt one week wrestling sagas and give us back our RAW ERA scenerios. Kids today are descencetized to this and we need more entertaining scenerios today and ENTERTAIN US AGAIN.
Posted By: clever1 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:13 PM
But he also beat sting in like 15 seconds so sting had to get some heat back, you would think Jericho would know that but whatevs. I'm getting annoyed when the voice of Mcmahon comes out of Chris Jericho recently.
Posted By: SoldiCPlus (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:13 PM
"I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless." - Chris Jericho
Yeah, I say the same exact thing everytime I see Bret Hart and Vince McMahon on my tv screen with their boring feud: How could so many talented people in the WWE universe be so clueless!
Posted By: TheRev (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Chris Jericho...take a chill pill. Relax.
Thsi is just to set up a potential Sting vs RVD feud.
Makes Sting into a badass
Get tons of Good vibes for RVD by the TNA fans.
Jericho...worry about your boring feud with Edge.
Posted By: Boomer (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:15 PM
LOL @ Jericho. No way in hell that match went 20 seconds.
Posted By: Truth (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:15 PM
What the..... JERICHO WATCHES TNA?????
Posted By: J-Dizzle (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Why is Jericho even watching TNA?
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:16 PM
"I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless." -Jericho
Is he talking about the storyline back in 2002 prior to wrestlaman 2002, where Chris Jericho was serving as the VALET for Stephanie McMahon and was doing skits like walking her dog. remember that!
Posted By: Craig Carton (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:17 PM
exactly! what was the meaning of using RVD in that situation. That's what the mid-card wrestlers are for. Bravo TNA!
Posted By: quadsduece (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Amen, Jericho!!
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Adding RVD to their roster was a great move by TNA. But the way they used him was indeed mind boggling.
Posted By: Guest#6917 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Agreed
Posted By: The Dutch (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:22 PM
I agree. The match could have been a dream bout but they blew their load after a few seconds, then a long and painfully boring beat down followed. They could have struck gold with Sting vs RVD.
Posted By: Guest#0104 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Here come the Jeri-drones sucking his dick like they usually every time the golden boy says something online
Posted By: Guest#4260 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:24 PM
It's quite simple. How do you get someone beloved by the fans over as a heel? Have him beat the ever loving shit out of someone who may be even more loved by the fans. Did I like it? No, but it is what it is. Do we even know if RVD has signed a deal with TNA or not?
Posted By: Todd Vote (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:25 PM
And his music was awful.
Posted By: Derek (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I kind of found it funny that everyone is downing tna but yet everybody knows what happened on tna last nite...did anyone pay attention to the HIGHLY FAVORED LIVE RAW ON USA!!! didnt think so...even batista was watching on raw, triple h vince and company, jericho, and obviously the one who cared the most about raw was...bischoff and hogan! Who's really winning here...they trending on twitter that gay shit but its working! TNA only can steal a little steam from raw but if they keep getting popular they will suck disallutioned wrestling fans back in the mix...im one of them! had a ufc themed fight night with my nigs and eased tna in there in the end but sting did the rest for me! Priceless...i mean i used to throw parties for mania every year from 2001 to 2003 and i ordered it in 97-99! also 04 and 05 being the last...another thing i liked Goldberg Lesner bitches! oh yea and beniott winning the world heavyweight champion left a smile on my face in 07 it was taken away and i took it personal wwe buried that man even before it was revealed he had some issues thanx to busting his ass for us!!! Fuck WWE, they seem to destroy alot more than they help and why is it everytime someone leaves them the iwc goes crazy, i used to be a huge part of the iwc smarks but now its getting stupid. on behalf of the 90's wtf went wrong! o and since erbody that mattered watched tna last night, did you forget you got a ass to kiss and its mania season! what a joke of mania it is though...is it just me or has everything on that card been done before or is it just 10 years too late...even hogan put abyss over! sold to aj and flair sold abyss aj pope and hardy...o yeah the x division was out there with kaz and daniels...o and hogan actually did good i the ring(shocked the shit out of me who was dreading it)...o shit what can you bitch about now that they alive...wait you would do that anyways! go at it! tna bought this old iwc mutha fucka back!!! and i want to see some real representation on here...stop reading comments and come out if you dare!!!
Posted By: Guest#2179 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Come on Jericho, RVD actually won the match in 20 seconds. Then got the beat down from a heel turning Sting. That should be an honor.
Posted By: Guest#2933 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:27 PM
The beat down was obviously to start a program between Sting and RVD! How sick is that never thought I'd see Sting vs. RVD! Wether WWE marks want to except it or not Monday Night Wars 2 officially began last night. WWE is foolish with keeping Vince's idea of big men at the top that are not the best in ring performers ( Batista, Cena, HHH, Sheamus ) to name a few. They let Kennedy and Burke go who are good in ring performers and look at them now. TNA is not on their level yet, but with Jeff Hardy and RVD there now they are on the way.
Posted By: Yankeeman (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Best use of RVD I have ever seen.
Ever.
Posted By: Tommy (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Get out of here you washed up idiot!!!! RVD is ours now!
Posted By: TNA redneck fan (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Hey, Chris, good luck wrestling your main event beneath HHH/Sheamus.
Posted By: David B (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Hey Chris:
Shouldn't you be watching Raw?
I was watching TNA too last night.
Posted By: Tax Guy Paul (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:38 PM
I have mixed feelings on that segment. On one hand, I can see what TNA were trying to do. They wanted to put over Sting strong as a heel, but nobody ever wants to boo Sting. But by having him beat down the big new babyface who everyone loves, and not letting RVD even get a comeback, just Sting beating him down, they finally got people really booing Sting and hating him.
But I also see Jericho's point, in that while trying to get both guys over, the segment kinda hurt both guys too. Sting looks bad for losing so quickly to RVD. RVD looks bad for getting the crap beaten out of him so soon after his debut. Neither guy looks good in that scenario.
Even if they'd altered the ending, I think it would have been better. If Hogan hadn't come out and turned it into Hogan VS Sting, making RVD an afterthought, they could have ended by putting the focus on RVD. Having him get up from the beating, man up, and limp to the back in search of Sting. But the way they did it encouraged people to forget RVD as soon as he'd debuted.
Posted By: John (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Actually Chris, it was one of the more thrilling debuts we've seen in wrestling in a long time. But keep hating on TNA if it makes you feel better!
Posted By: Gabe (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Jericho speaks the truth yet again.
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Amen, Jericho
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Agreed Chris!
RVD beating Sting in like 10 seconds was gayness, then having his ass whomped by everyone was just lame. Can Sting PLEASE retire that rubber bat. Sooooooo phoney looking.
Posted By: FUZEY (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:44 PM
That did seem a bit.....odd to say the least. But, it did serve the Sting heel turn well as it's quite shocking to see a big name like RVD beat down on his debut.
I wouldn't have booked it that way, not in a million years, but I suppose it'll get people talking again which is all that seems to matter to TNA.
Posted By: dennett316 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:44 PM
That was exactly what i was thinking as I watched that abortion.
Posted By: jeff (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:44 PM
I'm sure he'll make WWE happy, this pretty much shows he saw Impact over Raw...guaranteed he loses to Edge at Wrestlemania. (so looks like Jericho isnt over Eric saying he's not a main eventer)
Posted By: Alfredo Lara Jr. (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:46 PM
If it was a one-shot deal, or to setup a real match between Sting/RVD later - then it did its job.
Otherwise I do agree with Jericho on this one, if it wasn't a one-shot or leads to a Sting/RVD feud.
Posted By: fg76 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:46 PM
"The beat down of RVD 20 seconds into his debut in TNA was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless."
-----------------------------
Umm because the people in charge think the reason WCW did so well was because of their talent, not because Ted gave them the money to hire every big free agent they could and just do the WCW/WWF war angle. (That wrestling fans were clamoring for for literally years.) I mean hell, look at how badly they screwed the ending of that angle and the only thing they had afterwards was Goldberg.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:48 PM
So what about the beatdown that Jericho a WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION has been getting so far? Has he even landed 1 punch on Edge yet?
But thats ok he wont the title fair and square, nah a 40 something HBK helped him defeat a old Undertaker. Before that however Jericho was kicking ass...
Well not really he was jobbing to HHH and HBK on a nightly basis, and to R Truth on SD.
At least RVD got some offensive moves on Sting xD
Posted By: Nightz (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Gotta agree with Jericho. TNA=WCW 2010
Posted By: Jimbo Jones (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:51 PM
OMG, he done buried TNA
Posted By: Markie Post (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:52 PM
He's right. One of the top wrestlers and you ruin his debut like that. Doesn't make sense.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Oh, it's on, now.
Posted By: Dixie Carter (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:01 PM
The whole thing was toss. Van Dam beats Sting in seconds and doesn't even use the frog splash? You'd think that would be a huge deal, but instead, Sting just beats the shit out of him. Now I will admit, from a storyline standpoint it makes some sense - Sting was caught off-guard, hence the quick pin, and was so angry at this that he got the cheapshot in and Van Dam never recovered. I get that. But it was still the wrong thing to do. Why even book that? If you need Van Dam to squash Sting, have him hit the frog splash and then celebrate for a minute, they hype his appearance up, then Sting cheapshots him and throws him out of the ring, but Van Dam just walks up the ramp celebrating anyway, then do the beatdown next week instead after Van Dam's just won his match.
Posted By: Cun\' (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:03 PM
A-fuckin-men. They totally buried RVD in his debut and then had Hogan steal the spotlight whatever spotlight he had. TNA SUCKED ASS LAST NIGHT.
Posted By: Seriously (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:04 PM
Jericho is dead on with what he said.. Whats scares me with TNA is what the hell is going to happen when they are all out of suprisses!?
Posted By: Marv (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:05 PM
preach jericho, tna is run by meat heads.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:06 PM
I agree Jericho! For one, Sting looked like a puppet during that moment, and they could've had "Shark Boy".... Have RVD come in, and squash "Shark Pants" and still get his pop! No!!! They decide to squash Sting, people chanting RVD for 3 seconds and then get his ass handed to him. I don't get it!!
Posted By: James Lou (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:08 PM
It was very deflating indeed, not to mention awkward. I think they were trying to make the fans hate sting though. It still is really bad scripting and TNA's ever expanding legend's division should have said something, so that RVD's debut would keep the crowd hot and give rvd some momentum going into next week's episode which is going up against a big RAW episode.
Posted By: Guest#2912 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:10 PM
Thank you Jericho. I couldn't agree more. I was really hoping tnaint would step it up, but it just looks like wcw from 2000. Hey maybe planet stasiak will be back too
Posted By: Hottchopz (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:12 PM
Ummm...apparently Jericho doesn't know what good booking is. The angle instantly makes RVD a huge baby face AND Sting a HUUUGE heel.
Not to mention everyone will want to tune in next week to see Sting get what's coming to him.
So what the hell are you talking about Jericho?
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:23 PM
so I guess we know which show Jericho watched last night!!!
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:24 PM
I have to agree. He was pushed to the moon and buried all in the same match.
Posted By: BLACK (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:25 PM
i agree. he beat sting then sting proceeded to hit him with the bat for 3 minutes.
Posted By: Morgan Fisher (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:32 PM
Nothing but the truth. You don't bury a guy like that after a win like that getting your crowd to go crazy.
Again TNA. Hire Heyman to head up your creative! You have the talent to compete, but your booking sucks!
Posted By: Willie D (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Now that Jericho said it, I assume it's become gospel to everyone?
Posted By: MikeyCovs (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:34 PM
@ the hands of some1 like samoa joe or nastys or even AJ/ Ric yeah it would be senseless...but RVD defeated Sting...the name has tremendous value....heck WWE wanna induct him in HoF if he isnt with TNA next year!!!
He defeated Sting like really easy...The icon who is a heel has to get his comeback / frustration which leads to a PPV buy between the two...He wasnt down and out he kept getting up to fight...I think Y2J got it wrong this time...
Being a RVD fan I now want him to defeat Sting @ PPV...
Posted By: Indianguy (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:39 PM
RVD is the best in the world at what he does... smoking A LOT of pot.
Posted By: Ganja Hero (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:41 PM
couldnt have said it better myself
Posted By: d-po (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:43 PM
Uh, RVD wasn't beat down in 20 seconds. He got to be beat STING in 20 seconds. Nice of you to forget that Y2J.
Posted By: Guest#7202 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:44 PM
Calm down dude, it was just a (SAY IT WITH ME)
One Shot Deal
Posted By: RVD (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:46 PM
Thought the same thing myself.
wow rob,way to go fuck it all up.
Posted By: Guest#5123 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:47 PM
hard to argue that logic
Posted By: Jo-E (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:52 PM
Hes right, honestly what was the point?
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:57 PM
Say what you want, Jericho has a point. That isn't the way to debut a new main event talent.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:59 PM
The man's never-ever-e-E-EVER wrong.
Posted By: Squid Vicious (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:59 PM
It's called starting a feud. Would jericho rather have RVD win and then just kinda linger around for a while with nothing happening. Or maybe have them settle it in midget court like wwe would do. Sounds like jericho doesn't know what he's talking about.
Posted By: Goonie (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:01 PM
Cue TNA fans complaining about Jericho being untalented and a loser who could never main event TNA in 3... 2... 1...
Posted By: Guest#4240 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:04 PM
"Brag about the ratings all you want...but TNA needs to book for the long-term, not for the 2 hours of showtime."
DUDE, what the hell do you think the point of Sting's beating was for? To set up a LONG TERM angle. If RVD would have beat Sting's ass on his debut, that would have been booking for the short term.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:07 PM
If you think this was a good idea, you are not a wrestling fan, because a wrestling fan understands that you put somebody over by having a good match. So RVD won, what, on a fluke? Is that what it's saying? Is that supposed to make him look like a big shot? Are you trying to tell me that all RVD has to do is kick a guy, rolling thunder, and then he can beat them? Because seriously, keep watching, that logic is not going to hold.
Yes, it's surprising that RVD won in 20 seconds, but if you thought it was good, you're out of your mind. You get viewers for next week, but in the meantime, what did that match specifically do for RVD or Sting? Absolutely fucking nothing. There's a way to get viewers and not fuck your talent.
Posted By: Guest#2847 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:12 PM
I like that he acknowledges actually watching TNA
Posted By: Drue Phoenix (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:14 PM
...and if the match went longer, tna haters would say they are stupid for putting a high marquee match like that on free television...bottom line, tna was more entertaining than wwe last night...thats already progress in a new monday night war...and speaking on mind boggling, hornswoggle and crappy celebrity guest hosts arent??? How bout when raw went off when regal was the gm and they just pulled the plug and went to black...mind boggling is the fact that raw brings in a 3.0 when 90% of their demographic is in bed by 9 pm
Posted By: jwilliams1983 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:14 PM
Hey TNA marks...shut the fuck up and stop showing your ignorance. You know iMpact dropped a turd last night so stop trying to defend it. It really is like WCW all over again. Too blind to see the forest through the trees!
Posted By: The Coach (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:15 PM
Remember, though, Jericho is a WWE guy. Can you honestly see a WWE guy - one of their world champions, no less - praising the competition publicly?
Posted By: Scott (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:17 PM
"The burial of Jericho 20 seconds into his debut in WWF was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless."
Posted By: Dick"
Yeah, the Rock pretty much buried him on the mic.
Posted By: demOcratic (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:18 PM
Dear Faceman802,
What you apparently don't realize is that RVD needed to attack Sting from behind to beat him in 10 seconds. It was nothing resembling a clean victory. It happened too fast to sink in because less than three seconds after the match Sting is beating him down. RVD looked like a total dope for turning his back on Sting. Hogan quickly runs out to RVD's aid, once again placing the spotlight on himself.
Hogan ended up looking like Superman for returning twice from beatings while RVD looked like a total pussy getting no follow-up interview or anything in the final hour of the show.
Jericho was absolutely right. The angle was mind boggling.
Thank you
Chumpstain
Posted By: chumpstain (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:20 PM
The RVD/Sting segment, which evolved into Hulk Hogan being involved, was more compelling than anything on RAW this past Monday. Why would anyone think Guest Hosts are interesting?
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:21 PM
TNA is just an abomination of the senses. Jericho spaks sense here. I guess when you don't have a wellness policy in force, the madness rubs off on those writers. TNA is just getting overloaded with wrestlers, a lot of whom aren't needed.
Posted By: Guest#6165 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:25 PM
RVD From Bull to Bitch in 10 seconds...
Posted By: The New Guy... (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:33 PM
RVD got treated as an afterthought to the Sting/Hogan feud. Pinning Sting in 20 seconds came off as 'lucky' and 'sneaky'.... terrible booking on TNA's part. Emphasising the old, overshadowing the current.
RVD spent 70% of his debut airtime on the floor a beaten down man.. that is no kinda debut in my opinion!
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:41 PM
TNA has SOME of the talent they need in place, but they still don't have any TRUE creative booking (like a Paul Heyman), and they need to really work with some of the younger guys who need help with mic skills and in ring work. I would also hire a guy like Lance Storm, as both a performer and a trainer, but they won't...
Posted By: Guest#3195 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:44 PM
That little bastard watches TNA? That's it, we're going to have him job every single week from now on!!!
Posted By: Vince McMahon (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:48 PM
"The burial of Jericho 20 seconds into his debut in WWF was mind boggling. I dont understand how so many talented people can be so clueless."
*sigh* you fail so much it hurts. Chris Jericho's debut in the WWF was EPIC. The hyped him up for months with the millennium clock and then have him face off against arguably their most popular star at the time, The Rock. Jericho was buried later on, I'll give you that, but his debut was something special and the complete and total opposite of RVDs. If you want to look at the difference between WWE and TNA, look at those two debuts.
As for those who claim that RVD beating Sting is a big deal, can you tell me what was accomplished by Sting then beating up RVD for like 15 minutes and then no one mentioning RVD again for the whole show?
Posted By: TNAwful (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:49 PM
Imagine if RVD and Sting actually had a match. One that RVD was about to win before Sting gets himself DQ'd. And you can use that to, I don't know, make people want to pay to see on PPV? This was WCW-esque. Worried more about ratings than the bottom line. This could have been a huge money-making feud. But nope, get the cheap rise in ratings for that quarter-hour.
Posted By: Truth (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:57 PM
AMEN
Posted By: Guest#9182 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:02 PM
AMEN
Posted By: Guest#0445 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:03 PM
THANK YOU
Posted By: Guest#8286 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:06 PM
I'm no fan of Jericho and I've never understood the fascination with RVD either. For me the beatdown was better than that gay little kick he did off the top rope when he first came out, what the hell was that supposed to be? And all the flips into a splash? Lame.
Posted By: Guest#0213 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Same RVD's incredibly overrated.
Posted By: Guest#3136 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:07 PM
LMFAO at Jericho talking about somebody else being booked weakly. Y2J is a glorified jobber that the virgin online fans overrated to a ridiculous level. Kind of like CM Punk. And Piggie James.
Posted By: Guest#3619 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:08 PM
Jericho is just keeping his options open. I'm sure that someday he'll want to perform in front of a smaller, more intimate crowd (who didn't pay to get in).
Posted By: Guest#5248 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:09 PM
I know TNA is going for the "anything can happen" route... but I think they should have announced RVD was coming and built up the debut for a few weeks.
As for the show, TNA is taking notes from Lost and Heroes. Chaotic storylines that they will profess as intricacy.
Posted By: Guest#2333 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:11 PM
Who cares what Jericho thinks anyway.
Posted By: Mrs. Jericho (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:16 PM
I just think it is hilarious how much buzz TNA created last night.
Eric Bischoff doesn't give a rat's ass if you guys liked it or hated it, as long as you are talking about it.
Controversy = Cash.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:19 PM
Ya know, not for nothing, but you losers would have hated the hey day of American pro wrestling. Wrestlers outside of the main event had no storylines...
All of you complaining about Russo have him to thank for your love of midcard stories... he made them happen.
Shut the hell up if you don't like it, they aren't trying to get you to tune in anyway. You guys get hard for work rate, not real wrestling.
Go jerk of to whatever Jap star or ROH midget you lust for and leave TNA (and WWE for that matter) alone.
That is all.
Posted By: Guest#4734 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:21 PM
No kidding, worst debut ever. He should have either done a run-in like Hardy or had a squash match against a lower-level guy, then had Sting attack him, but fight back and clear him out of the ring.
Now RVD looks weak to the people that don't know him and stupid to the ones that do.
One of a kind, indeed.
Posted By: Chico Whoretiz (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:21 PM
Did Jericho even actually SAY that he watched TNA Impact? And that he didn't watch RAW? Sheesh, people. Of course the WWE world champion is going to at least be aware of what is going on in the competition (and they are competition, by definition, even if they're not actually a big threat).
Of course it's obvious that TNA was TRYING to set up a Sting/RVD feud and turn Sting heel, etc. But do you really think there wasn't a better to do it than by having RVD look like a chump 20 seconds into his debut, and having Sting look like a chump by not being ready for a match and losing in 20 seconds to a transitional move? I don't know how they would've done it, but I'm not getting paid to come up with ideas for them.
As a final side note, compare RVD's return last night to Jericho's return a few years ago and tell me which one you think was better..
Posted By: Guest#4988 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:22 PM
the only part i didn't care for was how LONG the beatdown went on. I'm sitting there thinking, "Is anyone coming for a save?" Then it's Hogan of all people. Sting gets his shots in on Hogan and goes back to RVD. It just felt like forever. Made me think that somebody missed their cue.
Posted By: Thechosencowboy (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:24 PM
The fact that his debut was turned into an excuse to do a Hogan/Sting angle means far more than that he beat Sting in seconds. It was stupid. The end.
Posted By: Guest#7721 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:24 PM
The only way for RVD's career to be saved now is to have a fued with Chyna.....
Posted By: DHX (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:29 PM
Preach Y2J
Posted By: Guest#3991 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:29 PM
Shut the fuck up, people. It was actually a good booking decision. If RVD comes out and has a 15 minute long match with Sting, then you'll complain that they gave away Sting vs RVD on free TV (kinda like how they gave away Jericho vs Taker away on free TV...yeah..) Sting is now over as a monster heel because they couldn't have left it up to the TNA fans to BOO him just because he attacked Hogan. Some of them may have LIKED that too much, so they have him attack a guy on his first NIGHT that they haven't seen in MONTHS because a wrestler is often at his most POPULAR after being gone for awhile...so you have one of the most popular stars in the business at the height of his pop get the win AND gets beat down in the process. Actually, its quite brilliant.
You guys would've complained either way. If RVD comes in and goes against AJ Styles right out the gate and wins then its "TNA is putting WWE rejects over their talent".. if AJ wins then its "How do you have RVD loose his first match in TNA".. there are a million different scenarios that you people would have found wrong so fuck it. Enjoy it for what it was...
I mean hell, who in here thought that you were going to see a RVD vs Sting program even with KNOWING that they were both going to be on the show.....exactly.....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:34 PM
So Jericho points out the one thing I thought was good.
It did ONE thing that is very tough to do and got the crowd to boo Sting. I don't think I ever booed Sting or heard a loud boo from sting in like 15 years. Honest to God
Posted By: Guest#1755 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:36 PM
I swear 99% of the people who post here are Marks, who if they cant think of anything, insult the other company's and call there fans marks and use inside terms to sound smart.
Posted By: Guest#0371 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:38 PM
Remember, though, Jericho is a WWE guy. Can you honestly see a WWE guy - one of their world champions, no less - praising the competition publicly?
Posted By: Scott (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:17 PM
I thought the exact same thing Scott. I expected more comments like this. I never seen a Burger King commercial say "Big Macs were good" instead they say "We're bigger and better then the big mac". Same thing here (to a much lesser extent of course)
Posted By: Jesuszilla son of Godzilla (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:39 PM
"If you think this was a good idea, you are not a wrestling fan, because a wrestling fan understands that you put somebody over by having a good match."
How old are you, like 10? LOL... Sure, Shaemus is over because he has really good matches. Taker got over because he had really good matches..it had nothing to do with him no selling everyone's offense. Goldberg? See Taker...,
RVD IS ALREADY OVER YOU FUCKIN' IDIOT AND THAT IS WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID! They wanted a HEEL Sting and that was the BEST option to bring it along. Wow some of you guys are fucking blinded by your WWE loyalty that you can't even see when TNA doesn't something good. The worse part of that segment was Hogan coming back out, but even HE got his ass handed to him again..... they wanted Sting to heel up and for the crowd to take to it and the BEST way for it to happen was for him to knock out RVD on his first night...now RVD hits the ground running in a program vs a bonified legend...whats so hard about this for people to understand?
I think you guys are just so programmed into the booking "logic" of the last 12 years and have been so indoctrinated to it, that you simply can't comprehend anything happening outside of those cliche' confines.
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:43 PM
And this is coming from the same guy who keeps getting punked out by Edge and almost lost to Bryan Danielson.While RVD ain't no "Rookie", I know Brian Danielson ain't one either but atleast RVD can stand in the same ring as Sting in kayfabe terms, so RVD beating Sting that quick would be more understandable than Danielson beating the World Champion in his first match.In kayfabe terms you got a veteran vs. a veteran in Sting vs RVD and a rookie vs not only a vet but THE World Champ in Bryand Danielson vs. Chris Jericho.I'm not hating on Jericho, it's just that I feel like he's just taking pot shots at TNA just 'cause they're the competition like internet fans who look at everything the competition do as being "wrong".He just like internet fans will never admit when the competition did something right just like internet fans even when the competition do do something right.
Posted By: Ted (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:44 PM
Regardless of the angle, now that Bischoff insulted Jericho, are we going to have to hear his dumbass opinion about TNA every 3 days?
Holy crap, is everyone becoming Jim Cornette?
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:50 PM
The RVD/Sting segment, which evolved into Hulk Hogan being involved, was more compelling than anything on RAW this past Monday. Why would anyone think Guest Hosts are interesting?
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 02:21 PM
The guest hosts don't seem to be well-liked on the internet.. but in reality they are a simple formula that works. It gets them publicity, creates good business relationships with people in a variety of fields, and gets the fans saying "oh, how will Bob Barker/Mike Tyson/etc. interact with the wrestlers this week?" Simple. Whether or not that formula is getting stale is another argument..
TNA was compelling, but only in a car wreck sort of way. It'll get people watching, in the short term, but I seriously doubt they can keep doing this kind of "compelling clusterfuck" TV over the long term.
Posted By: Guest#8054 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:51 PM
for all the defense of this helping to build RVD and make Sting bigger heel. Do you realize that in the end all this crap was used to further move HOGAN's Storyline.
RVD's debut was an after thought. That is what was mind boggling.
Be real for a moment, Sting has lost to up and comers before, he has lost to other veterans before....this beat down of a RVD was used to further a Hogan involved segment? Not a debuting RVD and not a returning Sting. Sting established himself opening segment of show, he is back and got beef with Hogan.
Does it give RVD something to do next week yes will give you that but the flip side is....he is also the guy that got bitched by Sting. This is a former world champion in WWE and ECW, not to mention multiple tag champ, IC champ, Hardcore, Euro, TV title(don't act like TNA wouldn't talk that up). Being punked like that
Storyline continuity in TNA will have you tune in next week to see if RVD gets the respect he deserves or get jobbed out to what Orlando Jordan? Sean Morley? join Team 3D against the Nasty Boys what?
Jericho was right it is mind boggling and guess it will be explained away...nope hopefully it will get explained better next week. This is still a guy that people have been wanting to sign since before Jan 4 and even after the announcement of the move to Mondays....and then you botch the debut for what? To make the super hero that is Hogan look like more of a super hero than he already is to fans?
Posted By: Guest#3697 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:52 PM
Not unlike Jericho re-debuting to lose to Orton. Touche, sir.
Posted By: Guest#5211 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:08 PM
The internet sucks. People look way too much into what they THINK the story lines of Pro Wrasslin' mean. If this was 20 years ago when some big black kid walks in a ring and beats Mr Wrestling II in 20 seconds it would have illicited wonder. BTW..some punk named Terry Allen did that..you know...Magnum TA? Sure, RVD is supposed to be established, and most saw his quick win as a setup for a storyline, except for the ... smarks ... er ... professional analyst of wrestling. Freakin enjoy it and quit tryin to use those sports psychology degrees to tear it down...Geez
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:23 PM
Regardless of the angle, now that Bischoff insulted Jericho, are we going to have to hear his dumbass opinion about TNA every 3 days?
Holy crap, is everyone becoming Jim Cornette?
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:50 PM
I would say they're slowly degrading into HTM.
Posted By: J-Dizzle (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:32 PM
Good to see that all the WWE superstars were watching TNA last night.
Posted By: Guest#0351 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Yup.I also agree with Jericho to an extent I mean they could at least had RVD win by DQ.But it established one thing and that was to get the fans to boo sting after the post match beatdown.
Posted By: Guest#1294 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:36 PM
i admit, i was sure that Sting was going to kick out, then just beat the ever loven crap out of RVD and that would have been the end of him in TNA. The problem will be in a week or 2, will this mean anyhting? or will RVD be forgotten for Sting vs Hogan :(
Posted By: Huh? (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:44 PM
Most fans will forget RVD won real fast and remenber that he got beat down cause it lasted 10x longer that is what Y2J is talking about.
Posted By: Guest#9487 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 04:54 PM
"You guys would've complained either way. If RVD comes in and goes against AJ Styles right out the gate and wins then its "TNA is putting WWE rejects over their talent".. if AJ wins then its "How do you have RVD loose his first match in TNA"
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 03:43 PM
A simple case of "can't please all the people all of the time"........because there will be a complaint either way it goes
Posted By: cj (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:09 PM
What makes any of you think Jericho actually WATCHED Impact? I didn't watch it and I still knew how RVDs debut went. You see, there's this thing called "the internet." Look it up.
Posted By: Hurricane (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:20 PM
Don't worry, the beatdown was probably a one-shot deal.
Posted By: Guest#5258 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:23 PM
I will never understand how TNA has fans when they put on crap like this...
Posted By: Guest#0577 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:29 PM
Too many psychotic wwe fans around here...
Posted By: Guest#3924 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:33 PM
That's a smart move on Jericho's part. He learned his lesson from 2005 when he spoke out too much against what Vince and his sycophants were doing. Impact's not perfect, but at least they try unlike Raw where they just fuck things up for no good reason. Watching Bret get styled on by Vince every week is painful and HBK/Taker is just an unnecessary sequel. Sometimes I wish Smackdown could get a larger audience.
Posted By: RealityCheck (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:40 PM
1. Yes, it was clueless.
2. RVD did in fact beat Sting.
3. RVD did keep getting up.
4. The RVD/Sting feud interests me.
Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 05:48 PM
Didn't Jericho debut to getting abused on the mic by The Rock?
Posted By: Guest#4932 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 06:51 PM
Now that Jericho said it, I assume it's become gospel to everyone?
Posted By: MikeyCovs (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 01:34 PM
Not necessarily gospel, but are you suggesting he could be wrong about this?
Posted By: Chungles=Fucking Moron (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 07:24 PM
Stop preaching to me, Jericho.
Posted By: Choir (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 09:14 PM
It makes perfect sense.
He debuts, gets a quick win as Sting was caught off guard.
Sting further establishes himself as the heel gaining way more heat from taking out a big fan favourite.
TNA save RVD's first full match for a later date (presumably PPV) and avoid people crying at TNA giving away RVD vs Sting on 'free tv' (that isn't free).
It also creates the buzz that RVD is in TNA and people will tune in next week to see what he has to say.
Only a complete idiot wouldn't see all of the positives.
Posted By: simple (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 12:00 PM
EXACTLY, why is everybody else to thick to see this? You covered everything I was going to point out. Anybody arguing against this is just a fool.
Posted By: D (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 09:20 PM
Kinda like when Jericho beat HHH years ago on Raw for the belt, only to have HHH scream at the referee non-stop. i think that title reign lasted 20 seconds. And the WWE has never ever mentioned it AGAAAIIINNNN.........
Posted By: Rad Radford (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:20 PM
wwe did that with rvd so that if RVD did decide to re-new his contract, he would have something waiting for him upon his arrival. i thought the TNA monday debut was horrible, i hate seeing the nwo in tna, also hogan and bishoff just kills it for me. im a life long wwe fan, but i did tune into TNA to see some good wrestling. now im just seeing crap. im not a tna hater, but i cant stand the road there on...oh and wtf is up with bubba, what a moron he has the brain smarts as an average internet wrestling fan
Posted By: elwheeo (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:38 PM
