411's WWE Raw Report 03.30.09
Posted by Rob McNew on 03.30.2009
John Cena loses clean (no seriously) to Big Show, HBK continues to be one step ahead of The Undertaker, and the boss and the boy wonder are back for some McRevenge
-After a one week hiatus I'm back for tonights final stop on the Road to Wrestlemania. It's the one year anniversary of Wrestlemania 24, the six year anniversary of Wrestlemania, and the 27th anniversary of the day I was born. A historic day in wrestling history all around. We got a Wrestlemania XX rematch between John Cena and The Big Show. Jerry "The King" Lawler is going to step in the ring to face Chris Jericho, and an eighteen diva tag match that is going to give me nightmares trying to recap. All that said lets get going…
-Live from American Airlines Center in Dallas, TX
-Hosted by Michael Cole & Jerry "The King" Lawler
-Show opens with Undertaker's music playing and a shot of a hearse as we get to the open.
18 Diva Tag Team Match: Melina, Gail Kim, Kelly Kelly, Eve Torres, Brie Bella, Mickie James, Maria, Tiffany, & Alicia Fox vs. Beth Phoenix, Jillian Hall, Maryse, Michelle McCool, Natalya, Nikki Bella, Layla, Rosa Mendez, & Katie Lea Burchill
Mickie and Jillian start things off and Mickie takes down Jillian with a Lou Thesz press. Tag to Tiffany who grabs an arm wringer but gets a knee from Jillian. Tag to Beth who comes in and sends Tiffany into the buckle, but charges into a back elbow. Tiffany charges into a flap jack, and Beth tags out to Katie Lea. Tiffany rolls up Katie in a small package and that gets the win at 1:11!?!?! Umm…okay. Winners: Melina, Gail Kim, Kelly Kelly, Eve Torres, Brie Bella, Mickie James, Maria, Tiffany, & Alicia Fox (Tiffany pins Katie-Small Package DUD)
-Santino comes out to say that he may have been denied entry into the diva battle royal by Vickie Guerrero but went over her head to WWE President JACK TUNNEY!!! Santino says he found Tunney passed away several years ago, but he will still be heard because he's an equal rights pioneer. Santino says he's going to prove to everyone that he has what it takes by competiting in a swimsuit competition. Santino says when its all over maybe the ladies can go to the kitchen and cook him up something tasty like a calzone. Santino says he's going to unleash the mankini. Santino takes off his robe and reveals a Borat-esque bikini. Everyone thinks it's hilarious (including yours truly) but Beth, and then all of the divas attack Santino throwing him out of the ring.
-Recap of Orton's attack on Stephanie last week.
Jerry "The King" Lawler vs. Chris Jericho
Cole announces the match at Wrestlemania will require Jericho to beat all three legends, while they will only need to score on fall on Jericho to win. Lawler attacks with a series of rights early sending Jericho into the corner. Jericho gets a cheap shot on the rope break to gain the advantage and then scores with a clothesline. Jericho delivers a series of kicks, and then chokes Lawler on the second rope. Lawler hits the ropes running into a back elbow from Jericho, and then gets hits with another series of rights as Jericho puts the bad mouth to him. Lawler reverses an Irish whip sending Jericho into the corner, but runs into a back elbow. Jericho hops off the second rope, but Lawler meets him with a punch to the gut. VINTAGE LAWLER as the strap comes down and Lawler follows up a series of rights with a snap mare. Jericho fires back, and takes Lawler down with a double leg take down. That sets up the Walls of Jericho which finishes things at 3:26. Wow, lets hope Steamboat, Piper, and Snuka have more in the tank than Jerry did. That was brutal. Winner: Chris Jericho (Submission-Walls of Jericho DUD)
-After the match Jericho continues to put the bad mouth to Lawler, but gets hit with a right hand sending him to the floor. Jericho says he won't get back in the ring, because he already beat him. Jericho says at Wrestlemania it's not a matter of if he will beat the legends but how. He says he knows he will be called heartless by the parasites in the audience, but he wants us to know he didn't start this. Mickey Rourke did by issuing a challenge he refused to back up, and now due to a night of false bravedo from Rourke his three friends will see their demise. Jericho promises at Wrestlemania he will defeat and embarrass the legends, and after Wrestlemania he will be the only person associated with the name Jericho.
-Say did you know John Cena has a new movie out? If you didn't here's a trailer.
-Todd Grisham is with John Cena. They are quickly interrupted by Edge who says the chances of Cena walking out of Wrestlemania Champion are virtually non-existent. Edge says it doesn't have to be that way though. Edge reminds Cena of what Big Show has done to both of them the past few weeks, and lets him know that Show can dominate them if he likes. Edge offers a deal that the two of them can take out Big Show, and then face off with each other. Edge asks if they have an understanding. Cena says it makes perfect sense, and its probably the best way to take out Show. But Cena is too upstanding for that. He tells Edge he doesn't like him, and he doesn't trust him. He'd rather lose on his own than win with Edge's help. It doesn't matter though, because Cena says he's going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. He's going to Wrestlemania, and he's leaving as Champion.
-Michael Cole talks to Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase to get a preview of Randy Orton's address. Rhodes says Orton isn't just going to address his actions against HHH and The McMahons, but all of WWE universe. Dibiase says after Wrestlemania everything we know about WWE changes forever.
We head back to the hearse where they open the casket and inside its Shawn Michaels. He stares into the camera with a smug look as we head to break.
-Shawn spoke during the break. He asks "you were expecting someone else?" Sadly Cole doesn't scream "Vintage missing your cue!"
Rey Mysterio vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield
Not sure what exactly the point of a non-title match a week before the pay per view is, but here we go. JBL says he asked for this match, because he's going to beat him tonight within an inch of his life. That way on Sunday in the biggest pay per view in history Mysterio will be history. He throws in an "amigo" for good measure. JBL boots Mysterio in the face in the corner, and delivers a forearm to the head. Mysterio hits the ropes, but holds on and kicks JBL in the face. Hurracanrana sets up a 619 attempt, but JBL gets up and delivers a shoulderblock. JBL misses an elbow drop, but catches Rey springboarding off the ropes with a boot as we head to break. Back from commercial, and Mysterio elbows out of an abdominal stretch. Mysterio hits the ropes, but jumps into a fall away slam from JBL sending him to the floor. JBL heads out after him, and delivers a boot to the head before firing Rey back inside for a two count. JBL delivers a forearm , and then pounds Rey down in the corner with a series of rights and a boot. Rey stops a superplex attempt by punching JBL off and delivers a top rope seated senton. Rey hits the ropes ducking a big boot, and an enzaguri attempts which sets up the 619. JBL ducks the 619, but a dropkick from Rey sets up another which this time connects. Rey the springboards in with a crossbody splash to pick up the win at 6:43. Booking 101 would now tell you JBL retains at Wrestlemania. Winner: Rey Mysterio (Pinfall-Springboard Splash **)
-Recap of Cena's promo on Smackdown where he promised to win the belt at Wrestlemania.
John Cena vs. The Big Show
Cole says Show despite being introduced at 441 he has it on good authority that Show weighed in a 485 today. So much for that weight loss. Show takes control early pounding Cena with the rights in the corner, and then delivering a brutal chop. Show stands on the ribs of Cena, and then pounds him down again with a forearm to the lower back. Show connects with a headbutt, and then walks across the chest of Cena. Show wraps Cena between the second and top ropes and hammers him with a forearm again to the lower back. Cena tries to fire back, but a running shoulderblock is just shoved off by Show. Show connects with another headbutt, and an Irish whip sends Cena to the corner. Show tries a splash, but Cena dodges it. Cena hits the ropes, but gets put right back down with a flapjack. Show sets up for the Vader Bomb, but Cena is able to roll out of the way. Cena heads to the top rope and connects with the legdrop. Cena goes for the STF, but Show kicks him away sending him to the apron and delivers the world's largest baseball slide as we head to break. Back from commercial and Show has a modified rear chinlock locked in. Show goes back to standing on the ribs, and then stands on the head of Cena. Show continues this innovative offense by walking on the back of Cena, and then calls for the chokeslam. Cena counters the chokeslam into a DDT, and goes for the STF. Show is too big for Cena to grab the cross face, and Show gets out of the toehold with a back elbow. Cena ducks the right hand from Show, and goes for the Attitude Adjustment. Cena can't hold Show, who slides down the back and delivers a chokeslam which finishes clean as a whistle at 9:22. After the match Edge slides in through the crowd, and when Show turns around he attacks Cena. Refs come in to pull Edge off, and Show just stands and watches. Winner: The Big Show (Pinfall-Chokeslam ½*)
-Recap of Shawn Michaels' tribute to The Undertaker on Smackdown.
-Shawn is shown heading to the ring with a casket in tow.
-Shawn Michaels joins us for what was advertised as "The Funeral for Mr. Wrestlemania." The ring is set up with a casket and a few funeral wreaths. In a nice touch Shawn has placed pictures of his wins over Taker next to the casket. Shawn says he stands her as a man unafraid. Shawn says the entire procession is not for him, but for Undertaker. Shawn says the streak ceases to exist this Sunday. Shawn says they've had battles in the past, and he always comes out on top. Shawn says in Taker's illustrious career the only thing he hasn't accomplished is beating Shawn. Shawn promises this Sunday will be no different. He goes over what he's done the past few weeks with the superkick, the graveyard promo, and the tribute to Taker on Friday. Shawn says he's done it all without the slightest bit of consequence, and not a hint of retribution. Shawn opens the casket, and reveals that Taker is not inside which is of course the swerve anymore. Shawn says there will be no retribution tonight or at Wrestlemania. Shawn says that Taker thinking that he can't end the streak as a personal insult. Shawn says he's Mr. Wrestlemania, and this Sunday every moment over the past 24 years will pale in comparison to what he achieves. Shawn says the next day they'll talk about the title matches, legends, ladders, and 70,000 people, but the moment everyone will remember will be when Shawn Michaels pins The Undertaker. That draws the gong, and the lights go out. When the lights come back on Taker is in the ring, but Shawn is gone. Taker shows his frustration that his mind games aren't working brilliantly by destroying the set, and even uttering a damnit. Then Taker turns his attention to the casket, he opens it but Shawn isn't in there either. Taker turns around, but Shawn slides out from underneath and delivers sweet chin music. It's pretty clear that since Taker has never gotten over on Shawn during the entire build that he's winning, but we knew that anyway. This build has been incredible, and this is the Shawn-Flair or Hogan-Rock of this Wrestlemania. The undercard match that will totally overshadow the "main events."
-Cole and Lawler (still in his wrestling gear) preview the 2009 Hall of Fame and we get a replay of the Austin video.
-Rundown of the Wrestlemania card. Show vs. Cena vs. Edge, Hardy vs. Hardy, The Geritol Connection vs. Jericho, Undertaker vs. HBK, Orton vs. HHH, Money in the Bank, JBL vs. Mysterio, and Miss Wrestlemania Battle Royal
Eight Man Battle Royal: Participants-CM Punk, Kane, Mark Henry, Christian, Montel Vontavious Porter, Shelton Benjamin, Kofi Kingston, Finlay
Bet you couldn't guess, but it's a big brawl to start. Finlay avoids a press slam, but gets tossed by Henry anyway. Hornswoggle provides a distraction to Henry, and that allows everyone to toss him. Punk gets Christian nearly out, and Kane tries to dump both to no avail. Everyone but Shelton and MVP team up on Kane in the corner, but he fights them off. Shelton throws MVP to the apron, and MVP then tries to suplex Shelton the floor. He gets him to the apron with him, and Kane delivers a clothesline sending both to the floor. That leaves Christian, Punk, and Kofi with Kane and they team up on him. Kane kicks off everone in the corner, and Punk tosses Kofi. He takes a minute to mock him, and gets an uppercut from Kane. Kane dumps Christian to the apron, but he slides back in. Both Christian, and Punk team up on Kane, but Christian double crosses and tries to throw out Punk. Punk comes back with a knee, and goes for the bulldog. Christian counters and fires Punk onto the apron, but turns into Kane who press slams him over the top taking out Punk in the process and giving him the win at 3:38. After the match Kane grabs the ladder and poses with the briefcase. Winner: Kane (Last eliminating Punk & Christian simultaneously *)
-Orton heads to the ring for his Wrestlemania address with security in tow.
-Randy Orton is out for his "Wrestlemania Address." Interesting that he appears without Legacy or the security that accompanied him in the back. Orton says at the age of 24 he became the youngest World Champion in WWE history. He says it was the greatest moment of his life, but it was short lived because the man who was his mentor turned on him in a fit of jealous rage. We get a flash back to that moment in August of 2004, and Orton says that night everything started to fall into place. Orton says that night HHH ruined his life, so he made a vow to ruin his. He says he had to wait until he could find a group of his own to form, and until HHH was more powerful than he had ever been before. He had to wait until HHH found something he cared about more than the WWE Title. Orton says it began in January when he eliminated HHH and won the Royal Rumble. Another recap is shown, this time of the final moments of the Rumble match. Orton says he earned the right to face HHH and take his title at Wrestlemania, but that wasn't enough. He says he had to raise the stakes and take away the things that HHH cared about most the family. Orton says he took out Vince, Shane, and Stephanie, the most powerful family in wrestling history. We flash back again to the McPunts, and the StephKO. Orton says almost five years after HHH turned on him he RKO'd his wife. Orton again makes it clear that he knew exactly what he was doing the entire time. Orton says it had nothing to do with IED, and then Orton goes to the cheap heat telling the fans to shut up and listen to what he has to say. He says he knew HHH would retaliate, and he did meaning he would feel like he was in control. That put HHH's guard down which allowed him to complete the attack from last Monday, and again a recap of that incident is shown. Orton says now at Wrestlemania every time they lock up HHH will be looking at the man who DDT'd his wife and sealed it with a kiss. Orton says if HHH thinks of coming to the ring with a sledgehammer at Wrestlemania then he is wrong, because he talked to Vickie Guerrero. Orton says that per the GM if HHH gets DQ'd or counted out he loses the title, and if he shows up with a sledgehammer its an automatic DQ. Orton says its now come full circle, and he has taken everything from HHH except the WWE title and that comes this Sunday. Orton says that after Wrestlemania he will have ascended to the top of the business. Orton says the top superstars will climb the ladder to try to challenge him, and youngsters will try to impress him so that they may stand at his side. At that point a limo is shown arriving in the back. Orton calls for the lights to come up, and asks Rhodes and Dibiase to bring the security to the ring. The camera flashes back to the limo, but the doors are open and the limo is empty. Orton calls HHH to the ring, but instead of The Game he gets THE BOSS. Vince comes out and he's PISSED. Vince's jacket comes off, and then Shane is out as well. Finally HHH is out, and they are out for some Mc PAYBACK! The McMahons take out the security force with ease. The McMahons brawl in the aisle with Legacy, and HHH gets Orton alone in the ring. They brawl with no real decisive victor as we're out.
-Unbelievably awesome ending, with the McMahon's returning to gain retribution for Stephanie. It should be interesting to see how this dynamic plays into the match at Wrestlemania though because one thing I don't want is a replay of Wrestlemania 2000. HBK-Taker closed out their build spectacularly, and Cena-Show-Edge ended with a whimper. That's pretty much the story of the road to Wrestlemania. Any doubt that HHH and Orton are closing the show should have been resolved. The show wasn't particularly good, and the results of both Taker-HBK and Mysterio-JBL were all but given away (with Cena also being pretty telegraphed), but if the goal is to sell a pay per view then the show has to be considered a rousing success. I'm out again next week as it will be 411's Daniel Wilcox filling in. So we'll see you on April 13th.
Posted By: Guest#8624 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Backlash: Legacy vs HHH, Vince & Shane
Posted By: Guest#0691 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM
If it wasn't obvious Undertaker is going to win, it is now. lol
Posted By: Guest#9851 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM
2 thumbs down, I'll be waiting to watch HBK/Taker on Youtube or somewhere.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:30 PM
They last 5 seconds were awkward lol.
Posted By: Guest#0968 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:31 PM
i really want orton to win.
Posted By: Guest#4258 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I agree, that ending SUCKED.
Posted By: zhalazhazka (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM
HBK's made Undertaker look like a big dummy
Posted By: Guest#3877 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM
ok show, but parts of it were way too predictable. cant wait for wrestlemania though.
Posted By: namewrittenonbirthcertificate (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Wow that ending sucked. It should have ended with Orton's promo imo. I mean for a second there I though Vince would put the beat down on all three of them. That is the only way the ending could have been more counterproductive. Can Shane actually throw a believeable punch once please? He missed a punch by about 5 miles on one of the security guys.Gotta laugh at a 40 year old spazz and a 60+ year old geriatric beating down a couple of guys in the mid 20's. Legacy has bodyguards now? Who do they think they are the M.E.M? Boy did that Big Show-Cena match suck.
Posted By: graves9 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM
dont really care for cena but how many"stars" would have jobbed that clean a week before mania
Posted By: Guest#1068 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM
I couldn't disagree more with your closing comment.
That show was supposed to get me to shell out 50 dollars? Aside from the HBK/Undertaker confrontation, the show had horrible wrestling and no interesting story developments to make me want to see two guys beat the shit out of each other.
The end of the show was not "Unbelievably awesome," it felt like the end of a cliched horror movie where the bad guy comes clean and flashbacks are littered throughout, a la Saw. Can't the writing staff be more creative!?
Let's not forget how they started one of the most important Raw's of the year - with a ring filled with 18 chicks who wrestled for a minute, literally. Hey Vince, pay me half of one of your writers salary and I'll at least come up with a better intro to a show than that trash.
This show was a wreck and the WWE is insane if they think this is how you get people to burn a 50. Only diehards and Vince ass kissers will willingly pay for Wrestlemania. The casuals who used to buy Wrestlemania when Austin and The Rock were around will be sitting this one out I think.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM
This is about two months two late, but couldn't they have just cut out the JBL angle whatsoever and just as easily pulled off the HBK/Taker thing? It served no purpose other than making HBK look like a complete loser for a few months. Im not complaining JBL never won the title though because the Orton angle had yet to form, and this has made Orton into probably the biggest star in WWE for smarts/marks/smarks all combined. But good lord either something came up and they had to change plans or Shawn and JBL were being punished for say punching a female fan in the face at a house show in Germany.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Orton over HHH
Cena over Edge and Big Show
Undertaker over HBK
JBL over Mysterio
Posted By: Guest#1331 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM
It's just, as hot as Kane and Henry are, I don't think those two stallions will be winning. Personally, I would have had Jeff Hardy in the match, have him win, and cash it in later in the night. I love Jeff Hardy's body right now and he's at the top of his game. But I'm happy with MVP, he has that tough guy attitude since he went to jail and I'm sure he's a monster in the sack. I also like blondes so Christian is aces as well.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM
The Edge/Show/Cena clusterfuck is the most boring shit ever!
Posted By: FUZEY (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Worth $55? Hmm..
Posted By: namewrittenondeathcertificate (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:37 PM
The mark who wrote this report: Unbelievably awesome ending.
Tomko: No.
Posted By: Uhhh... (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM
dont really care for cena but how many"stars" would have jobbed that clean a week before mania
Posted By: Guest#1068 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Where did you get the idea that they get to choose?
Posted By: Guest#7861 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Legacy's inaugural t-shirt is brought to you by the letter "L".
Posted By: Crippen (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:40 PM
dont really care for cena but how many"stars" would have jobbed that clean a week before mania
Posted By: Guest#1068 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM
All of them if they were winning the World Title at Wrestlemania.
Posted By: Rob McNew (Registered) on March 30, 2009 at 11:41 PM
It's just, as hot as Kane and Henry are, I don't think those two stallions will be winning. Personally, I would have had Jeff Hardy in the match, have him win, and cash it in later in the night. I love Jeff Hardy's body right now and he's at the top of his game. But I'm happy with MVP, he has that tough guy attitude since he went to jail and I'm sure he's a monster in the sack. I also like blondes so Christian is aces as well.
Posted By: Ron Mexico (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Posted By: csonkamaniac (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Vintage csonkamaniac
Posted By: Michael Cole (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Ok show tonight. Despite some bad booking down the road, Orton has done fantastic heel work to keep the fued somewhat interesting despite the home invasion segment almost killing the whole thing.
As far as the other main event, I hope to hell there's something really great in store for us on Smackdown, because the build up for this has been an absolute yawner. Before tonight, I actually thought that the WWE might be crazy enough to throw us a curveball and put the belt on Big Show, but after he got a clean win over Cena tonight there's no way thats happening. Oh, and memo to Big Show? You are never going to hit that Vader Bomb. Never. Stop trying it. In a life of uncertainty, its nice to know there's things you can count on, like Big Show missing that move.
Posted By: CF (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Wrestlemania 25 you can paint a trash can gold but it's still a trash can. Too bad T.O. got released I would've paid good money to see him in a mixed tag match with Romo and Jessica Simpson. When Wrestlemania hits the new Cowboy stadium hope to see battle of the billionaires2 Vince vs Jerry Jones.
Posted By: paul allen (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Glad to see that many agree. This is the worst looking Mania on paper in quite some time. I have zero anticipation for this card...something that I haven't said in years. Mania is not for rehashed feuds like HHH/Orton or Cena/Edge. We want to see something new.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:43 PM
I CANT WAIT TO SPEND $55 TO SEE IF CENA CAN OVERCOME THE ODDS!!!
Posted By: #1CHAINGANGSOLDIER (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM
WrestleMania is going to SUCK...
4 hours of shitty matches and shitty excuses for entertainment.
Maybe if they paid less attention to poles asking why people dont go see their shitty movies and pay attention to their shitty wrestling, it might pay off.
I swear - it's so predictable. HBK is gonna get killed to take UT to 17 - 0.
HHH will be Orton. Matt Hardy gets his chance to shine. JBL will be Jr. Cena will lose to Edge... Miz Morrison will combine the belts and Christian will be MITB but the bottom line of it all.....
NO ONE CARES...
If a WrestleMania happens and no one cares, did it really matter?
Oh and way to sell a sledge hammer to the fucking skull there HHH...
Posted By: Guest#5841 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM
I wet my pants when HHH took his shirt off!
Posted By: Groot (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Yay. Nothing screams "sympathetic babyface" like Vince, Shane, and Hunter McMahon. Best part of this show was Austin's Living Colour video. BY FAR.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM
The first legend Jericho pins is going to look like a bitch
Posted By: Guest#7045 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:47 PM
I repeat my question - Orton's universe-changing announcement is that he hods a grudge?
Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Jericho's done more legend killing in one angle than Randy Orton has done in his entire career lol.
Posted By: Guest#2589 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Did RVD re-signed, or was it a 1-shot deal?
Posted By: qwerty (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM
dont really care for cena but how many"stars" would have jobbed that clean a week before mania
Posted By: Guest#1068 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Stars who know they are getting the belt in a week. That's who.
Posted By: CF (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM
I loved the ending!! It finally gave this match the big main event feel it has needed all along. In addition, neither man came out on top which was perfect.
Usually whoever has the upper hand going in to the match does not win. It didn't end with a HHH beat down, which would have lead to an Orton victory. It didn't lead to an Orton beat down, which would have lead to a HHH victory. It ended with both men tearing eachother apart, which will lead to an intense main event that is unpredictable.
I'm still on, and never leaving the "Cena/Orton should have been the main event bandwagon", but I have to give credit where credit is due... This should deliver.
Posted By: Guest#4504 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Undertaker's never beaten Shawn? who did Taker last eliminate in the 2007 rumble? i do believe it was Michaels
Posted By: CJ (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:02 AM
I just hope it doesnt turn out to be Legacy with Randy Orton facing Triple H and the McMahons or McMahons will turn on HHH.
It could still be Shane and Vince versus Dibiase and Rhodes.
Posted By: Mr C (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Wow, Raw is McMahon. yawn. Thats been almost every episode since 1998.
Posted By: Alcoholic (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:06 AM
this wreslemania will kick@#@ looking forward to it not the best card they could have put together but it will work. shane screws h and orton walks out wwe champion cena regains world title jbl defeats rey and retires ic champion colons unify tag titles and morrison goes his seperate way mvp or shelton wins money in the bank but would love to see kane go over here jerico beats the legends then gets beat down afterwards i think matt goes over jeff when he does what it takes and jett stalls out beth phoenix wins m. wrestlemania unless trish enters then she may win and then my wrestlemania main event shawn michaels ends the undertaker undeated wrestlemania streak and remains mr.wrestlemania good raw leading into mania and i expect mania to be epic
Posted By: richard (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Twelve years after it first became popular, we're still getting the McMahon ending to RAW.
Goddamn shame.
Posted By: Engel (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 AM
SIGH JBL Retains
Posted By: The Rev (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 AM
"Wow, Raw is McMahon. yawn. Thats been almost every episode since 1998."
Excuse the fact that it made sense in the storyline and was way over with the crowd...
Posted By: CyberSocko (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 AM
Would it have killed them to keep HHH and Orton away from each other? Also, by bringing back the McMahons before WM they've pretty much guaranteed one of them is going to cost HHH the match... just have to figure it to be Vince, though I'd love to see evil Shane.
Maybe JBL's historic moment will be that he kills Mysterio then retires as IC champ.
Either Benjamin with a gold briefcase or MVP with the US title and the briefcase. Christian should win but will likely make it to the main event scene without needing a crutch.
Taker/HBK is predictable but still going to be great. The question becomes, when do they start to build toward Taker/Cena for next year.
Speaking of Cena, he aint winning Sunday. Edge finally will get to leave a WM as a champ. Yup, two heel champs at the end of the night. Unless they mess it up and have the Mitb winner beat Edge... that would suck (even if it was Christian). Better to let someone attempt to hold the briefcase for an entire year (as long as that someone isn't Kennedy).
Maybe Jericho will lose when Honky Tonk Man, Jake the Snake, Tito Santana, the Gobbledygooker, the Brooklyn Brawler, Repo Man, Conquistador #2, Koko B Ware, and my left nut all come out to trounce him during the biggest abortion to a WM match in history.
As for this week's Raw, it blew goats. But what were they supposed to do, run any kind of risk of hurting anyone prior to their biggest show?
Posted By: Guest#3856 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 AM
Taker never beat HBK in a singles match. That's the thing they're sticking with.
Man this show was horrible... and boring. Cena/Show had me on the verge of falling asleep and Orton actually put me to sleep, so I missed the end.
McMahon back? presumably as a face? blech.
Posted By: Guest#5571 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Its shows like this and reviews like this that have me as a 32 year old off and mostly on fan thinking, this crap has finally passed me by. I was out in 95 when ECW came along, rolling us into the nWo and Attitude and it was a great run but this is just a sad echo and if this is whats getting over and selling right now, I just can't take it.
I can't concieve of a worse build to Wrestlemania. No urgency to the angles, too little teasing going in, and apart from Shawn and Taker, these guys seem like they're going through the motions and sleepwalking in their promos in this build.
The sanitized cheesecake of the divas is so played out and if it ends in a dogpile pillowfight on the vastly underused Santino at Wrestlemania, then who cares? They're selling Sex without the sex.
JBL vs. Rey. Does anyone care about either one of these guys? Thankfully there seems to be an attempt to resurrect the Ic title, but apart from that, who cares? I would have went a little risky in the booking, and split the houston house, running JBL vs. Illegal immigration teases into this, heating up the crowd for this one.
Hardy vs. Hardy. Should be epic, maybe these two dullards cant pop a house on the stick, but the company has done them no favors with the build.
The tag title unification. Should be a massive build based on titles and the future stars Miz and morrison and this is an afterthought.
Money in the Bank, solid enough build I suppose, they've gotten their time, the match is the gimmick and Kofi and Christian are decent enough contenders to keep this interesting
Taker Shawn, solid, two Texans, you could argue they should have had a title program built into this, so that it could go on last, because you won't recover after this one.
Triple Threat- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz build, too much build, and you can just see Superman John hitting the FU or whatever they call that now on the big slow for the win.
Jericho vs. the Legends. Egregious, the biggest dropped ball of the show, unless the Dragon can get in the delorean and really bring us back to the late 80's. Piper on a bad hip and Snuka in his 60's are not real threats for anything. And unless Rourke is going to be a big suprise, his constant invocation by Jericho only spotlights the failure. No fault to Jericho, he did all he could get this over, but barring a miracle, Austin or some other magic, then this will be dud city
And HHH Orton. Good build, I dont' share the enthusiasm of the writer here, should be good enough, but the title sort of takes the heat off this program actually. Jake Roberts in a shoot talked about the simple intensity of a husband avenging his wronged wife, and how its a program that doesnt need a belt with the rude program. the belt should be in the Hbk UT
Posted By: Marty Funkhowser (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:16 AM
no buys
This will be my first missed Wrestlemania since the Lawrence Taylor days
Posted By: brian and vinny (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Best part of this show was Austin's Living Colour video. BY FAR.
Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:46 PM
man F-ing true.
they shoudnt' even show it, its like putting the mona lisa next to macaroni art.
Posted By: Marty Funkhowser (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:19 AM
you honestly think the ending was awesome.
Sir you have to be a retard to think that.
Posted By: Guest#8562 (Guest) on March 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM
it was about as awesome as my 6 year old neice crapping and who actually buys a 60+ man beating a 20 something year old?
WM25 has 2 good matches-HBK/Taker:i see taker winning cause HBk retired Flair last year,so he wont retire the streak this year,he would be hated.
Hardyz:this could be the match that steals the show...Could.....still think jeff should be MITB.
as for the other matches-orton will win with the Mcmahons helping him.after turning on Trips.
Edge will win with Vickies help leading to a baby storyline(puke city)
MITB-dont care,divas battle royal:no wins here.rey/JBL:rey got last laugh,JBL retains
Posted By: melissa (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Man! People just love to bitch!
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Vince is the fourth member of Legacy. Look at it this way.....
1. He always have been known to despise HHH.
2. He will NOT let the company fall into the hands of Shane Steph or HHH.
3. He's second generation i.e Legacy.
Posted By: ubsclusives the wrestling GAWD (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Your right Cena, I can't see you
Posted By: Shawn Michaels' left eye (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Vintage longest running vintage episodic program in vintage history!!! Vintage Mankini!!
Posted By: Michael C. in Stamford (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:40 AM
Im Tired of People Bitching about Wrestlemania all the time and how much it is. Are all of you losers with no friends. Invite 5 or 6 People over have a few beers and and all shell out 10 or 20 bucks. Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans. Its Just Entertainment People and Wrestlemania will be Entertaining and will Definitely have that cool "Wrestlemania Moment". Stop Bitching Shut Up Invite Some Friends Over Unwind Turn off your Brain and Be Entertained. Stop all being such little winy bitches.
Posted By: Cool Moe D (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:40 AM
haha they should change the main event to legacy vs hhh, vince & shane for the title, feel the memories of that awesome tag main event from kotr!!!
Posted By: kotr2000 fan (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I can't wait for Wrestlemania
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:43 AM
did anyone else get chills when triple h ripped his shirt off and exposed his glistening muscles? i know i did!
kane really turned me on with his powerful showing in the battle royal. i'd sure like to battle for his royale!
did anyone else notice that michael cole looked like he got a haircut? golly, he looked cute.
i was sooooo bored with the divas match, but the ending really saved it.
all in all, it was a good show, but i think hbk was dressed a little warm for the hot sultry arena atmosphere. i'd give anything for him to give me some sweet chin music(if ya know what i mean).
and i'll finish up by saying that chris jericho's hot and sweaty, out of breathe promo was the hightlight of the night. i'm sure mickey rourke got goosebumps, i know i did. i'd like to slap some butter on those boys, tell'em to bread-up, and come and get some meat and cheese. i think that they'd haaave to call that sandwich a ronald mcjericho. ooh, i'm feelin' naughty!
Posted By: ron mexico (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM
I don't know if it was the Chronic I was smoking or my bitch ass g/f on my ass through 90 of 120 min show, but IMHO: I kinda thought the ending was good.
The kush coulda had my head for a minute. Or just being glad she off the motherfucking phone!
Doubt if Im forking over that much Vinces way, but I might scam on it though.
Posted By: DHX (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 01:53 AM
So Orton spent nearly 5 years compiling a stable to take down Triple H and he came up with Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase jr? The little sick kid who was the make-a-wish GM of RAW awhile back and Nancy Reagan would have put up more of a fight against the 40 year old Shane and 60 year old Vince tonight. Wouldn't JBL calling Rey Mysterio "Amigo", which means friend in Spanish, be a compliment instead of an insult?
Posted By: Guest#0900 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 01:57 AM
Snuka out first.
So pointless of having Rey Rey v JBL 6 days before the show...having JBL hire somebody to soften Rey up...more sense.
Show v. Cena...honestly, WTF. Me Big Show, Me stomp, Me hurt Cena Back, Cena still win.
I don't have a problem with McMahon's coming out. For live crowd and TV viewers, probably a smart thing to do...going off air after 30 seconds of brawling, not that great.
Posted By: SuperJeff (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:04 AM
Ok... I'm so not buying the McMahon's being able to take out the Legacy like that... way to ruin whatever credibility the Legacy has left.
Is there any reason why they can't just leave this between Orton and HHH??? Is it really necessary to have their actual wrestlers look all the more ridiculous by getting beaten up by Shiveled-Grapefruits McMahon???
I have to agree that Wrestlemania really isn't really shaping up into anything special, nor does it have the feel of being so-called "biggest wrestling show of the year" with it's below-average line up of matches.
Quite honestly, the only matches that truly stand out as being true WM matches are Undertaker/HBK and HHH/Orton ... everything else just seems like something you'd find on any other PPV event.
I'm not bitching, just merely stating an opinion.
Posted By: Claudia chan (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:37 AM
As a long time wrestling fan, the booking tonight makes things fairly obvious as to who is likely winning at Mania. Cena, Taker, JBL, NOT Kane.
But if I'm a kid, who WWE is clearly marketing towards, I don't really care who is SUPPOSED to win or who is PROBABLY going to win. I'm going to be cheering on my favorites the same as if I knew 100% they'd be winning at Mania.
I remember a Samoa Joe vs. Davey Richards match where it was very, very obvious Samoa Joe was going to win. But I'm such a huge Richards mark, that I cheered him on regaurdless. Just because something is obvious doesn't mean it has to be shitty and anti-climactic.
And that ending was absolutely bad ass. Though I would've had HHH come out first, then Shane, THEN Vince. We all know HHH vs. Orton is the Main Event. Shane and Vince coming out after HHH wouldn't have damaged the segment at all.
Posted By: All Around Wrestling Fan (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:37 AM
After years of watching HHH, I just can't cheer for him, no matter what Orton does to him. And I don't particularly like Orton either.
Hell, let this be a replay of McMahon-Helmsley era with a touch of the Trish Stratus/Christian story line. Let Steph be in on this, she really planned with with Orton, the RKO on her was fake. She needs a real man/etc. Then buy HHH for a change.
Let the McMahon/Orton Era begin.
Otherwise, this storyline sucks. It can't end with a win for the heel. which means Orton losing. Yet it isn't as if this will be a feud that builds both wrestlers - when was the last time HHH had one of those? So even if Orton wins at Wrestlemania, he loses in the end.
Posted By: Guest#9831 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:44 AM
I disagree about the end sucking. That was the best part. The beginning and middle was what I had a problem with.
Posted By: Nepotism World Odor (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:57 AM
Considering this was the final Raw (WWE's flagship show) before Wrestlemania (WWE's biggest show of the year) it was...I gotta say it...an EPIC FAIL!!! Not only did they not encourage people to buy the show, they more or less gave away 3 of the matches...Thanks to tonight's card we now know that JBL will retain his IC title against Mysterio, Cena will be walking out the World Champion and Taker will remain undefeated at Wrestlemania...I'll admit that the return of the Mcmahon's was somewhat unexpected but the show ending with Triple H delivering punches to Orton in the corner just didn't do it for me
However, although tonight's show didn't live up to our expectations it is my feeling that Wrestlemania will. We can complain all we want to about stale matches, not enough build, or boring story lines but the chemistry and talent on this card should be more then enough to make up for that.
Morrison/Miz vs. Carlito/Primo...These are 4 guys who have had enough interaction over the past few weeks that they feel comfortable in the ring with each other. Not to mention the fact that they can be as athletically entertaining as 90% of the roster when they're on their game.
JBL vs. Mysterio...I'll admit that JBL's days of glory are long gone but he can still pull the rabbit out of his cowboy hat when it counts and Rey Rey is always entertaining so no worries there.
Money in the Bank...I've heard a lot of people saying that this match is played out and that Kane and Henry have no place being in there with the high flyers. While I can't see Henry climbing a 20 foot ladder that's not what he's there for. He's going to serve his purpose and be responsable for some nice new spots, mark my words. As far as MITB being played out, I couldn't disagree more. This is one of the funnest matches the WWE has come up with in a long time and I always look forward to seeing it.
Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy...This is a match that has been 15+ years in the making. Matt and Jeff grew up together, they trained together...with the amount of chemistry these 2 have, how well they know each other there is not a chance of this one being a letdown.
Taker vs. Michaels...We all know HBK's not gonna be the one to end the streak...not at this point in this career, there would be no point. However, we also know that this is going to be a 5 star match-up...I mean Mr. Streak vs. Mr. Wrestlemania, come on!
Cena vs. Show vs. Edge...First off I'd like to say, horrible storyline...Not Wrestlemania quality at all but hey, it is what it is. That being said, Cena and Edge have always worked well together and Big Show has been on his game as of late so there is no reason this one shouldn't keep us entertained.
Triple H vs. Randy Orton...I'll need to make another post for this one
Posted By: Ryan Higgins (Registered) on March 31, 2009 at 03:20 AM
Why have Gail Kim there and not even use her for that match, not even for a split second, but yet Tiffany of all people gets in there? My other complaint, is that over the past 2-3 weeks we have seen every rivalry for Wrestlemania happen already on the varios shows. Cena vs Show, Show vs Edge, all the money in the bank guys vs each other, Colons vs Miz Morrison, JBL vs Rey...plus we have seen HHH fight Orton several times. None of the matches have all that much intrigue for me because it feels like I have seen them already ad nauseum in the past few weeks, lets not mention the last few years. Orton should have not been touched by HHH yet. The past few weeks should have used people like Goldust, and Santino to build others up. Have Duggan lose to The Big Show. Have Matt Hardy beat Goldust. Have Edge beat up whomever, Edge has looked like nothing in this build up. No, instead we get them vs their wrestlemania opponents all ready. Why am I going to be excited for Rey VS JBL?
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:24 AM
Best parts of the show? Michaels one upping Taker again, and the mention of Jack Tunney. Santino = gold, Jerry, GOLD!
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:25 AM
So, just to understand, the General Manager says that if Triple H gets disqualified or counted out or brings his sledgehammer, he get stripped of the title... and the owner, the CEO and the owner's son and daughter can do nothing to change that stip?
This angle makes less sense than Con Air.
Posted By: Guest#0777 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:29 AM
Considering this was the final Raw (WWE's flagship show) before Wrestlemania (WWE's biggest show of the year) it was...I gotta say it...an EPIC FAIL!!! Not only did they not encourage people to buy the show, they more or less gave away 3 of the matches...Thanks to tonight's card we now know that JBL will retain his IC title against Mysterio, Cena will be walking out the World Champion and Taker will remain undefeated at Wrestlemania...I'll admit that the return of the Mcmahon's was somewhat unexpected but the show ending with Triple H delivering punches to Orton in the corner just didn't do it for me
However, although tonight's show didn't live up to our expectations it is my feeling that Wrestlemania will. We can complain all we want to about stale matches, not enough build, or boring story lines but the chemistry and talent on this card should be more then enough to make up for that.
Morrison/Miz vs. Carlito/Primo...These are 4 guys who have had enough interaction over the past few weeks that they feel comfortable in the ring with each other. Not to mention the fact that they can be as athletically entertaining as 90% of the roster when they're on their game.
JBL vs. Mysterio...I'll admit that JBL's days of glory are long gone but he can still pull the rabbit out of his cowboy hat when it counts and Rey Rey is always entertaining so no worries there.
Money in the Bank...I've heard a lot of people saying that this match is played out and that Kane and Henry have no place being in there with the high flyers. While I can't see Henry climbing a 20 foot ladder that's not what he's there for. He's going to serve his purpose and be responsable for some nice new spots, mark my words. As far as MITB being played out, I couldn't disagree more. This is one of the funnest matches the WWE has come up with in a long time and I always look forward to seeing it.
Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy...This is a match that has been 15+ years in the making. Matt and Jeff grew up together, they trained together...with the amount of chemistry these 2 have, how well they know each other there is not a chance of this one being a letdown.
Taker vs. Michaels...We all know HBK's not gonna be the one to end the streak...not at this point in this career, there would be no point. However, we also know that this is going to be a 5 star match-up...I mean Mr. Streak vs. Mr. Wrestlemania, come on!
Cena vs. Show vs. Edge...First off I'd like to say, horrible storyline...Not Wrestlemania quality at all but hey, it is what it is. That being said, Cena and Edge have always worked well together and Big Show has been on his game as of late so there is no reason this one shouldn't keep us entertained.
Triple H vs. Randy Orton...I'll need to make another post for this one
Posted By: Ryan Higgins (Registered) on March 31, 2009 at 03:37 AM
i was expecting some last minute change to jericho's match, maybe stone cold showing up at raw but they made the match even more difficult to watch now being elinimation. nothing great in the hhh-orton match and i dont want hhh to squash randy at wm. hbk is getting the better of 'taker every week but hbk won't win considering how they keep reminding us of 'taker never beat hbk in 1-on-1 match.
Posted By: mrperfect-rip (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:42 AM
This is the problem with the go home show: you can easily predict the PPV results just from the way this show is booked. The only time I remember them swerving us was when Eddie G pinned Lesnar on the Smackdown before the PPV he won the title.
The only match I was interested in this WM was the HBK/Taker match, and only because of the faint glimmer of hope that Shawn might win. So far, though, this is just like the HBK/Hogan feud - Shawn completely one-ups the babyface before losing on the PPV. Oh, well...
Posted By: The Doctor (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 05:17 AM
Im Tired of People Bitching about Wrestlemania all the time and how much it is. Are all of you losers with no friends. Invite 5 or 6 People over have a few beers and and all shell out 10 or 20 bucks. Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans. Its Just Entertainment People and Wrestlemania will be Entertaining and will Definitely have that cool "Wrestlemania Moment". Stop Bitching Shut Up Invite Some Friends Over Unwind Turn off your Brain and Be Entertained. Stop all being such little winy bitches.
Posted By: Cool Moe D (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:40 AM
My sentiments EXACTLY.
Posted By: Versago27 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 05:38 AM
Mixed bag for Mania. The build for the MitB match has been terrible. Just throwing everyone in group matches week after week and trying to justify the inclusion of so many big guys in a match that isn't really designed for them. I think perhaps the many voices saying there are too many people in that match now are right.
The Cena/Edge/Show match just seems to be failing to inspire anything. It just hasn't had a great build with Cena trying to act like HHH and failing and Edge being messed with while not totally loosing it over it just seems out of character. Meanwhile Big Show being seducing Vicky is a terrible role for him. I'd call that whole thing a failed experiment. Hopefully the match will make up for some of it, but I'm not sure.
Jericho continues to have a great build for what is destined to be an epic anti-climax. Please proove me wrong WWE.
I never liked them having a non-title match version of a PPV title-match a week before hand (IC Title). You just know the final loser will win. Still I'm expecting that to be the opener anyway.
The rest is fine. Here's hoping that the short Diva match was a hint at the WM match being short. Hooray for that.
Posted By: Femris (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 05:39 AM
"Your right Cena, I can't see you
Posted By: Shawn Michaels' left eye"
GREATEST COMMENT EVER!
Posted By: The truth! (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 05:43 AM
It's funny how all you guys on here are so frustrated with the product, yet you still follow the news & results. Why invest time in something you're not enjoying? I swear you all love analyzing, critiqing, & bitching about wrestling more than actually watching it. No matter what the WWE does it will never be good enough. There's simply no pleasing you people. You're all proof that the internet is the worst thing to happen to pro wrestling, because along with it came a community of jaded, cynical, know-it-all "smarks" who think they know better than Vince Mcmahon himself. It's very simple, if you don't like it... pay it no mind. Better yet just STFU!
Posted By: Versago27 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 05:58 AM
WM FUCK YEAH
Posted By: it isn't irony (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:05 AM
At Mania Shane will turn on HHH and join Legacy!
Posted By: Guest#6193 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:38 AM
what a mess...an 18 diva battle that last a whole minute? add to that,the segment ended with some goofy santino junk.HBK made taker look like a chump.
jerrico beat lawler...ohhhhhhh that will give his match sunday credibility.
show v.s cena was a train wreck.
finally, a 60 yr old, a wrestler-wannabe,and a game playing suck up made legecy look like total wimps. yeah this is going to be a very special WM indeed...the first one where vince actually gives people their money back, and admits they have no fresh ideas anymore.
Posted By: the one (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:41 AM
There's just no pleasing some of the fans on this site.... I don't care what any of you think. The ending of raw was awesome Spot on Rob.....
Posted By: Stuart C (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:30 AM
Im Tired of People Bitching about Wrestlemania all the time and how much it is. Are all of you losers with no friends. Invite 5 or 6 People over have a few beers and and all shell out 10 or 20 bucks. Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans. Its Just Entertainment People and Wrestlemania will be Entertaining and will Definitely have that cool "Wrestlemania Moment". Stop Bitching Shut Up Invite Some Friends Over Unwind Turn off your Brain and Be Entertained. Stop all being such little winy bitches.
Spot on, no matter what the card was you would still get people bitching because thats what annoying little smarks do every day, im spotting the same few people bitching in every topic aswell, losers.
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:34 AM
I think the WWE blew it's respective load when it comes to the ending. The McMahon's should have appeared Sunday, not at the "go home" show. Hopefully they don't go the route of WM2000. Evil Vince is cliche at this point and needs to be put to rest.
Posted By: EPIC50 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:44 AM
Shane is joining Legacy! Listen to me you fools!
Posted By: T-Mac (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:47 AM
and the emote for this episode of RAW is
* YAWN *
Posted By: HHH Hater (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:58 AM
sounds like jericho was rubbish for the thousand(And fourth) event in a row
Posted By: Guest#0947 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:14 AM
Did anyone else enjoy HBK's lazy eye?
Posted By: Don New Mexico (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:15 AM
Last nigth Raw had more viewers than the Super Bowl, World Series, College Football National Champiosnhip and Final Four combined!!!!
Anyone else think Vince looked like a 50s greaser?
Posted By: Jake Fury (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:45 AM
I just love me some McContinuity . . . DX shoving Vince's head up Show's ass . . . the fake divorce from the fake marriage to the real-life wife . . . VIVA LA CORPORATION 2009
Posted By: McLovin (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:12 AM
you yanks crack me up with your bitching about this years mania. ffs i dont care if the build has been rubbish im still gonna pay to watch it because its wrestlemania (and even better here in the uk we pay less for ppv haha)
Posted By: Bigste (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:24 AM
"Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans"
Speak for yourself.
Posted By: Guest#3048 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:30 AM
I can't see Cena (losing at WrestleMania now).
McMahon SWERVE at WrestleMania? Book that shit.
Posted By: Bubba (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:37 AM
The Jack Tunney remark was the HIGHLIGHT OF THE YEAR. I marked big time, and even more so because NOBODY in the crowd reacted at all.
It's obvious Taker's going over but I'm loving the ride him and Michaels are taking me on. It may be the sole saving grace of WrestleMania (unless the Hardys tear it down and Christian wins MITB) and may, MAY be enough to pry $55 from me.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:39 AM
Raw could have been way better but I do understand that they couldn't go all out in the matches days before the big event.
I was hoping for Jerico/Lawler to have a GOOD match but I realize you can't risk hurting Jericho neither can you risk them outshining the match this Sunday. I like the added stip that Jericho has to beat all three. As for Lawler, would it have hurt him to get dressed before he came back out for commentary?! There was PLENTY of time!
The divas match was garbage and should have not only gotten more time but should have had more of the girls involved. Santino was funny at the end but kind of unnecessary (and I say that as a big Santino fan).
The Show/Cena match was not good and made me dread the upcoming triple threat match. The ending was also very awkward. I hope Friday's show has a big segment to add to the build for this match.
The JBL/Rey match was way better than I thought it would be and I have hope that both of these guys want to go out and make people care about them. Especially if this is Bradshaw's last match, he doesn't want to go out with a stinker.
Orton's promo at the end was awesome and it FINALLY made the title seem important. I hope Orton wins although I kind of doubt he will as it will make H look bad (unless there's interference from a backstabbing McMahon, then H won't look bad at all).
Lastly, I want to add that I ordered WM yesterday afternoon after watching Shawn's promo from last Friday. Tonight, they almost made me want to cancel my order but I think I'm going to stick with it. I believe they'll put on a good show- just too bad that we can't get a glimpse of the goodness beforehand.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 10:27 AM
The ending to the lead up to WM 25 was a let down. Orton's promo went on far too long and he flubbed his lines a couple times. The brawl at the end with HHH didn't get me riled up at all. I'm looking forward to HBK vs. Undertaker at WM 25 but that's about all.
Posted By: NoirFan (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 10:56 AM
the ending was a let down compared to last week. hbk/taker should close out mania this year.. awesome stuff from hbk and taker again....
Posted By: william (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM
I dug the ending and for those who say Vince is the 2nd generation that is true, HOWEVER DeBiase and Orton are 3rd generation....
Posted By: Spider Rico (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM
We bitch because we like wrestling, and we hate to see such a talented roster be failed by the writers.
I swear the only reason I watch the show is because it is LIVE. Every night that I watch Raw I think, "Gee, maybe they will do something cool tonight." Well, that rarely happens. If they could just post the results in advance, it would sure save me a lot of time.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM
RAW was as most here say a very disappointing one going into the build up for Wrestlemania. I mean what idiots the creative team are. They give us Mysterio vs JBL for free then expect the marks to pay $55.00 to see it on Sunday. You have a 2 minute 9 diva skankfest, an attack by Hunter and the Mc Mahons end abruptly, and Boy did Lawler forget about Jericho quickly once he had been defeated. So I take it Michaels is channelling Mordecai with this anti taker gimmick. Sorry folks this is like too 2004.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 11:35 AM
While I agree with the sentiment that we as an online community tend to be over critical, it never helps when the person pointing this out paints every critic the same exact way and uses blanket statements such as this:
"Are all of you losers with no friends?"
Because someone thinks the build up is lacking to the biggest PPV of the year, that means they have no friends. Speaking only for myself, none of my friends, or hell even family members like wrestling. AT ALL. They won't watch it for free and no amount of "It's WRESTLEMANIA" will convince them to split the cost of a $50 pay-per-view.
"Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans."
Another blanket statement. I refuse to play the "age" card because for all I know you're older than me, but you are aware there was wrestling before Wrestlemania. Again, personal experience, I grew up on NWA and some local promotion that wasn't WCCW, and had no idea what Wrestlemania was until whenever Ninja Turtles 2 came out on VHS because the WWF did not appeal to me until the Rock got popular. So while we can argue all day whether or not Hogan is the reason wrestling still exists, there is no way you can aruge that every wrestling fan is a fan because of Mania.
"Its Just Entertainment People."
Which is very subjective. What I find entertaining and what you find entertaining may just as often match up as they are completely opposite.
"Wrestlemania will be Entertaining and will Definitely have that cool "Wrestlemania Moment"
Again, people have different tastes. Some people hate Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH and any combination of them. All of them are featured in the main events of the show. And some people care more about the entire experience, and not just a moment.
"Stop Bitching Shut Up Invite Some Friends Over Unwind Turn off your Brain and Be Entertained. Stop all being such little winy bitches. "
To sum it up, no friends that like wrestling, tastes on entertainment vary, difference in opinion does not make one a whiny bitch.
Posted By: pd (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 11:44 AM
is santino shit in the ring? dude's hilarious and a pretty good mic worker. why is he stuck in comedy angles and not getting a legitimate push?
Posted By: space cowboy (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Raw could have been way better but I do understand that they couldn't go all out in the matches days before the big event.
I thought the Jericho/Lawler match would be better but I guess they couldn't outshine this Sunday's match.
The divas match was garbage and should have not only gotten more time but should have had more of the girls involved. Santino was funny at the end but kind of unnecessary (and I say that as a big Santino fan).
The Show/Cena match was not good and made me dread the upcoming triple threat match. The ending was also very awkward. I hope Friday's show has a big segment to add to the build for this match.
The JBL/Rey match was way better than I thought it would be and I have hope that both of these guys want to go out on Sunday and make people care. Especially if this is Bradshaw's last match, he doesn't want to go out with a stinker.
Orton's promo at the end was awesome and it FINALLY made the title seem important. I hope Orton wins although I kind of doubt he will as it will make H look bad (unless there's interference from a backstabbing McMahon, then H won't look bad at all).
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Something about this Orton buildup so many people can't see: he STILL isn't credible! He needed 2 other guys to pull off what he did last week. Then you have Triple h numerous times before taking out 10 guys with a sledgehammer, come on. Will he keep it or lose it just to win and add another reign? Tune in to see.
legends match: quest for star power
undertaker/hbk: will get very overrated, even when they're past their primes, match should have happened 10+ years ago.
Posted By: fifty (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 01:44 PM
I don't mind the extra cost. I love my WM parties. A bunch of friends come over, we stuff our faces with pizza, chips, BEER, etc., and have a helluva time. My parties usually cost me a few hundred dollars, and a long cleanup the next day, so an extra few bucks on the price doesn't mean much.
Posted By: CharlieGoose (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:15 PM
I mark out to people complaining about something they aren't forced to watch.... So I've really enjoyed this comment section full of ignorant smarks making it seem like they actually know something about wrestling. You keep doing what your doing, and I'll keep laughing at you.
Posted By: Brian C. (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:34 PM
Never ceases to amaze me that Cody inherited his father's lisp. No speech therapists in his school as a kid?
Posted By: SteveB (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Wrestlemania is lacking that star power it needs, I for one will not buy the ppv. I'll probably just steal it off the internet. There's not a match that I am looking forward too. Gone are the day where Storylines took 8 Months to finish, I think The E needs to hire some of it's older Creative Writers back and figure there shit out..... This program is whack anyore, John Cena is a Generic Rock. only thing good about the E anymore is Christian, Edge, and Jeff Hardy.
Posted By: Firecracker (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 02:56 PM
the Jack Tunney reference kicked too much ass. I agree, it was even better that nobody in the crowd caught the reference at all.
Posted By: drsmoov (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:03 PM
Im Tired of People Bitching about Wrestlemania all the time and how much it is. Are all of you losers with no friends. Invite 5 or 6 People over have a few beers and and all shell out 10 or 20 bucks. Its Freaking Wrestlemania the reason we are all wrestling fans. Its Just Entertainment People and Wrestlemania will be Entertaining and will Definitely have that cool "Wrestlemania Moment". Stop Bitching Shut Up Invite Some Friends Over Unwind Turn off your Brain and Be Entertained. Stop all being such little winy bitches.
Posted By: Cool Moe D (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 12:40 AM
So in other words, if the WWE decides to throw crap on the wall and just call it Wrestlemania, that means we're supposed to blindly support it just because of the name?
It's fans like you that is the reason we continue to get subjected to the same people in the main event year after year, because you will watch whatever Vince throws out there.
It's pretty sad when we know about 90% of the results before Wrestlemania even begins (HHH, Cena, Undertaker, Miz/Morrison, Christian will all win)
YAWN.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:45 PM
@ pd
Nice to see I'm not the only one annoyed by these holier than thou schmucks.
Posted By: Rob (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 04:05 PM
In a sense, Foley was right...And you look at the comment section and u can see. A lot of people are talking NEGATIVELY about WrestleMania this year.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:03 PM
Hate to burst everyone's bubble but Jack Tunney was already referenced by John Cena awhile back so Santino's mention of his name wasn't really groundbreaking (or hilarious) at all. And Vince is 3rd generation also since his grandfather Jess McMahon promoted boxing AND wrestling
Posted By: Guest#6493 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:22 PM
So in other words, if the WWE decides to throw crap on the wall and just call it Wrestlemania, that means we're supposed to blindly support it just because of the name?
It's fans like you that is the reason we continue to get subjected to the same people in the main event year after year, because you will watch whatever Vince throws out there.
It's pretty sad when we know about 90% of the results before Wrestlemania even begins (HHH, Cena, Undertaker, Miz/Morrison, Christian will all win)
YAWN.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 03:45 PM
exactly,i have watched wwf/e for 27 years and trust me i know the difference between crap and entertainment.and what we are getting for this years mania is crap with the exception of HBK/Taker and possibly the hardyz...i bitch because of what i see.this Mania FFS not Raw or SD!,give us Mania worthy matches not matches you expect to see for free.
everyone knows the results dont kid yourself by saying you dont.
Mark henry in MITB is like santino as IC champion waste of time and an insult to the true fans.
Posted By: melissa (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:25 PM
Uh fifty the undertaker michaels match did happen ten years ago
DERP!
Posted By: Kent Baker (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:36 PM
Dude seriously, to the idiots that want to insult because we're not blind and oblivious to the crap product put on, STFU. Everyone who has watched wrestling knows that during the BOOM of wrestling that most of us miss, that WWE creative actually paid attention to the fans both in the arenas, at the cash registers, and...wait for it...ON THE INTERNET!!! The fact is, they still do now, hence why Vince is so paranoid about results getting out. The majority of us are here voicing our displeasure because....again wait for it...WE'VE SEEN 10000 TIMES BETTER!!!! I feel fairly confident in speaking for the majority of us that we hope our displeasure doesn't fall un-noticed, and even if it does, oh well, we know there is other like minded individuals that remember a much better time in the business.
Hey, your happy with today's product, great fine, super terrific for you. The fact is, YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!! The numbers show it now. The numbers of back in the Attitude era and shortly after were all MUCH higher, meaning...again wait for it....MORE WATCHED!!! Unfortunately when the product went to shit, rather than try to win those people back the wrestling "creative" minds decided to just appeal on whose left, and that's why the over all appeal is going down the tubes...and if you don't believe me, the numbers speak for themselves on that one. Ratings, buy-rates, merchandise, all going the opposite of up(that's down if you can't understand).
So cheer all you want to, again, that's fine, but don't ever think that us, the ones that are upset about what has happened to the great spectacle we used to love that is wrestling, should have no voice and be pushed aside. I got news for you, if it wasn't for people like us and our friends, ya that's right most of us have friends, and even know people that USED to watch but gave up, but I digress, if it wasn't for people like us supporting wrestling and enjoying it before, it may not even still be here in the form YOU still love.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:46 PM
I cannot be the only one who heard lawler announce the winner of MVP V. Benjamin's title match, it happens when they are eliminated from the royale, listen closely *Spoiler*
Posted By: Doug Cotts (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:04 PM
"Dude seriously, to the idiots that want to insult because we're not blind and oblivious to the crap product put on, STFU"
OMG JUST LIEK JON CEEEEEEEENA!!!!!!!
STF!~
ATTITUDE ADJUSTR!!~~`1`1
Posted By: ! (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:14 PM
Is it just me or does Maria have a nice ass?
Posted By: Chuck Steaks (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:28 PM
I wouldnt worry about missing Wrestlemania, nowadays the following Raw has rematches that are often better than the PPV before it.
Posted By: Guest#8612 (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 07:45 PM
Dude seriously, to the idiots that want to insult because we're not blind and oblivious to the crap product put on, STFU. Everyone who has watched wrestling knows that during the BOOM of wrestling that most of us miss, that WWE creative actually paid attention to the fans both in the arenas, at the cash registers, and...wait for it...ON THE INTERNET!!! The fact is, they still do now, hence why Vince is so paranoid about results getting out. The majority of us are here voicing our displeasure because....again wait for it...WE'VE SEEN 10000 TIMES BETTER!!!! I feel fairly confident in speaking for the majority of us that we hope our displeasure doesn't fall un-noticed, and even if it does, oh well, we know there is other like minded individuals that remember a much better time in the business.
Hey, your happy with today's product, great fine, super terrific for you. The fact is, YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!! The numbers show it now. The numbers of back in the Attitude era and shortly after were all MUCH higher, meaning...again wait for it....MORE WATCHED!!! Unfortunately when the product went to shit, rather than try to win those people back the wrestling "creative" minds decided to just appeal on whose left, and that's why the over all appeal is going down the tubes...and if you don't believe me, the numbers speak for themselves on that one. Ratings, buy-rates, merchandise, all going the opposite of up(that's down if you can't understand).
So cheer all you want to, again, that's fine, but don't ever think that us, the ones that are upset about what has happened to the great spectacle we used to love that is wrestling, should have no voice and be pushed aside. I got news for you, if it wasn't for people like us and our friends, ya that's right most of us have friends, and even know people that USED to watch but gave up, but I digress, if it wasn't for people like us supporting wrestling and enjoying it before, it may not even still be here in the form YOU still love.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:46 PM
Yeah, the company is going to be out of buisness this time next year.
Nevermind that they are still making obscene amounts of money
Nevermind that number of viewers (people pay way too much attention to the number, and not the real number behind the number) are virtually the same as they have been for several years.
Nevermind that last week I sat in a full 20,000 seat arena last week and watched Raw.
Nevermind that 80,000 people are going to be in Houston to watch WWE wrestling this weekend.
Nevermind that 1 million people worldwide will spend 50 bucks to watch the show on television
Nevermind that they have survived and prospered in an industry in which EVERY OTHER COMPANY WENT OUT OF BUISNESS
The sky is falling!!!!!
Posted By: Rob McNew (Registered) on March 31, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Hey, your happy with today's product, great fine, super terrific for you. The fact is, YOU ARE THE MINORITY!!! The numbers show it now. The numbers of back in the Attitude era and shortly after were all MUCH higher, meaning...again wait for it....MORE WATCHED!!! Unfortunately when the product went to shit, rather than try to win those people back the wrestling "creative" minds decided to just appeal on whose left, and that's why the over all appeal is going down the tubes...and if you don't believe me, the numbers speak for themselves on that one. Ratings, buy-rates, merchandise, all going the opposite of up(that's down if you can't understand).
So cheer all you want to, again, that's fine, but don't ever think that us, the ones that are upset about what has happened to the great spectacle we used to love that is wrestling, should have no voice and be pushed aside. I got news for you, if it wasn't for people like us and our friends, ya that's right most of us have friends, and even know people that USED to watch but gave up, but I digress, if it wasn't for people like us supporting wrestling and enjoying it before, it may not even still be here in the form YOU still love.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 06:46 PM
I'm sorry but there is something really wrong with what you have said. You can not enjoy a product, that's fine...but saying that someone ELSE is the minority is exactly what you called that person out on..which is assumption. You are ASSUMING that he is the minority. The truth is, there is no majority or minority. People's personal preference of the product changes WEEKLY! But to say that it's a fact based on NUMBERS is flat out ridiculous. You should really take a sociology/psych course in college...or high school...sorry they don't have that in grade school if that's how old you are. But the reason the numbers were big weren't necessarily based on the product, but on a FAD! They happen in every society and they fade out...it has nothing to do with the change of a product or how much greater/worse off it is, it's just that the youth's mindset changes from one thing to the next. Hell, when I was in 3rd grade, the rage became playing with Pogs! Did Pogs change? No, the reason the fad died is because we found something else to leech on to...so to say anything about WWE numbers and ratings from ten years ago wasn't necessarily the product, it's just how society works. Before 1997-2000 era, the biggest boom happened in the earlier 90's...give it a few more years, it will become a fad once again.
Posted By: Erik (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:24 PM
this mania should be better than WMX8 aka the worst wrestlemania EVARR!!
anyways... i hope orton goes over =)
Posted By: philburttheturtle (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:27 PM
Santino is the greatest thing since sliced bread! I haven't laughed that hard since the Rock was around. Am i the only one who would mark out for a Christian/Santino feud. I can hear the both of them going back and forth, not only putting on good matches but having me laugh hysterically ever week! I hope Santino is Ms. Wrestlemania!
Posted By: krazyneil (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:42 PM
I love the HBK/Taker build, but people forget that there's still Smackdown. Guarantee Shawn'll show up, and here's hoping Taker comes out big there. Call it a fool's hope, but I want Shawn to pull it out. I'm sick of the streak, and Taker's vengeance can give the feud some longevity- his quest to pin Michaels and whatnot.
Posted By: Kyatollah (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:49 PM
Just have to take note of how amazing hot Katie Lea looked. Shame she got the short straw on the job.
Posted By: Fenris (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 09:50 PM
Santino is the greatest thing since sliced bread! I haven't laughed that hard since the Rock was around. Am i the only one who would mark out for a Christian/Santino feud. I can hear the both of them going back and forth, not only putting on good matches but having me laugh hysterically ever week! I hope Santino is Ms. Wrestlemania!
Posted By: krazyneil (Guest) on March 31, 2009 at 08:42 PM
Glad to know at least one person in the world besides the announcers (who are only faking laughter because they are instructed to) find Santino's antics "hilarious"
Posted By: Guest#7812 (Guest) on April 01, 2009 at 03:46 AM
All I can say is everytime HHH gets beatdown by Orton it makes me smile. I'm hoping the whole McMahon family turns on him at WM.
Posted By: ligel (Guest) on April 01, 2009 at 04:11 AM
Once again, It will get overrated because of the Undertaker Shawn Michaels past prime extravaganza. Wait and see.
Posted By: 789 (Guest) on April 01, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I am sick of the streak. Shawn has killed himself for the company, and is the better wrestler and performer he should win.
Posted By: Beat the streak (Guest) on April 02, 2009 at 08:18 PM
If you wanna know what's gonna happen at Wrestlemania, just wait for some guy called THESAHWN to comment.
He seems to have the inside scoop on the 'E.
Like when he told us that Cena would be flown in for RAW after doing the tonight show.
He was spot on on that one!!!
Posted By: The shawn=the shit (Guest) on April 02, 2009 at 11:16 PM
I think that the Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels match up will be a MOTY contender. Seeing as how I just read elsewhere on this site that Shawn Michaels said in a radio interview today that his contract epxires after Wreslemania next year, it doesn't look like he will lose against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania on Sunday. Two plus two equals four. Or, is that some kind of kayfabe that Shawn is trying to perpetrate on us ? Hhmm. (Scratches chin)
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on April 03, 2009 at 05:40 PM