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411's ROH on HDNet Report 6.10.09: Episode XII (6.06.09)
Posted by Aaron Hubbard on 06.10.2009



Brief Note: This recap provides play by play in a traditional manner. However, should you wish to skip the play by play and merely read the opinion part of the review, there is an Analysis after each recap. The word "Analysis" is in bold and the actual analysis in in italics, so it should be easy to find.

Prazak and Hogewood welcome us to the show, and remind us that we have NEW ROH World Tag Team Champions, The American Wolves. But now it's time for the first ever World Title match on HDNet, as ROH Champion Jerry Lynn defends his title against Tyler Black, Austin Aries, and "American Dragon" Bryan Danielson.

Claudio Castagnoli & Ernie Osiris w/Prince Nana vs. Colt Cabana & Brent Albright
We get pre-match promos from both sides, and even Brent Albright manages to be entertaining. Putting him with Colt is a good idea. Claudio demands Ernie start out. The Code of Honor is not followed. Bright and Ernie start, but Ernie tries to tag out to Claudio. CC "encourages" him to fight Albright, but Brent shoves Ernie into his corner to try and force Claudio to tag in. CC goes to the floor instead. Biel by Albright, and he climbs to the second rope in the corner to taunt Castagnoli. That allows Osiris to hit some forearms to the back, which are no sold by Albright. He twists the arm and hits an elbow strike, and then tags to Cabana. They whip Ernie and hit double back body drop. Cabana struts, and puts on a headlock that Ernie quickly counters. He hits an atomic drop sans knee, dropping him on his butt on the mat, and then gets a headscissors pin for 2. Cabana wrings the arm into an arm wringer, and Ernie finally tags to CC. He gets a single leg trip and heel lock. In a bit of non-trivia, Claudio vs. Cabana was my first ROH match.

Colt kicks Claudio off, and they reverse the sequence with Cabana teasing a stomp to the groin before applying the heel lock. Castagnoli tries to roll him off, but Cabana cartwheels to his feet. They try throw (not Irish Whip) to the ropes, but they both reverse it. Claudio gets a sunset flip for two, and Cabana counters for a nearfall. He flip over to try and apply something, but CC kicks him off. Cabana comes back by splashing over Claudio and trapping his legs for a nearfall. He applies an arm wringer, but Ernie throws his shoe to break it up. That distracts Cabana long enough for Claudio to him a European Uppercut to the back. He hits an elbow drop and stomps before tagging to Ernie. Ernie goes outside to put his shoe on before going in, which is awesome. He punishes Colt with the forearm rub, effective due to lack of bathing. Cabana punches Ernie and fights out of the corner with bionic elbows. He takes a shot at Nana but misses, and Castagnoli hits a clothesline from the apron.

Ernie tags out, uppercut and kick by CC. He whips Cabana, but Colt leaps off buckle and hits a forearm. Cabana leapfrogs over Claudio, cartwheels and hits a back body drop. Hot tag to Albright, who hits Claudio with a clothesline, forearm and a punch. Castagnoli tries to bail, but Brent pulls him back up and hits a flurry of chops. He whips Claudio cross corner and hits a leaping heel kick. Knee lifts by Claudio, but when he goes off the ropes Albright hits a belly-belly suplex for two. Brent hits his own European Uppercut and Irish Whips CC, but Claudio stops and the ropes and tags Ernie. Osiris isn't happy, but Brent biels him in and tags to Cabana. They whip Ernie to the corner, Flying Asshole by Cabana! He throw Ernie into a powerslam by Brent. Colt applies the Billy Goat's Curse (Boston Crab except that Cabana faces the same direction as his opponent, allowing him to use more weight) for the submission at 4:40.

Analysis
Very solid opening tag team match. Cabana and Brent make a good odd couple that reminds me of Ernie and Bert from Sesame Street, but it worked. Claudio played the coward and Ernie was there to be eaten alive so that Claudio didn't have to be pinned. His only offense of consequence was the shoe, but he plays his character so well that it works. **

Cabana keeps the hold on for a while after the match, but lets Ernie escape after suffocating him with the shoe. Kyle Durdan wants a moment of their time to ask how Brent feels after a little revenge, but gets hazed as Cabana keeps messing with him, and then Brent goes after him with the shoe. Um…babyface?

They hype the main event by showing parts of the video interviews from all four participants: Bryan Danielson, Tyler Black, Austin Aries, and The ROH World Champion Jerry Lynn.

Bobby Dempsey vs. Sal Rinauro
Sal is a former ROH Tag Team Champion but can't even get an entrance. Bobby offers the handshake, but Sal doesn't want it and shoves him. The bell rings and Dempsey shoves Sal to the corner. Sal dodges an attempted avalanche, but when he tries a Russian Legsweep, Bobby stays where he is and Sal goes rolling. Rinauro goes to the eyes and taunts the crowd, but is unable to Irish Whip the Big Man. Bobby whips Sal but telegraphs a back body drop and gets kicked in the face. Rinauro takes a little too much time showboating and Bobby catches him with an avalanche in the ropes. The Death Valley Driver finishes at :43! SLAP THE PORPOISE!

Analysis
Um…SQUASH! Rinauro didn't look incompetent, just cocky and WAY outweighed. 1/2*

Ric Flair is interviewed about the title match. He comes up with an interesting point of view where he says that because Jerry is the champ, he needs to know he is the best. The pressure is on the challengers, not on Jerry. I guess I can sort of see where's he's coming from. Ric says what separates ROH from other promotions is that it's built on youth, has a vision, and is not out to make a name for itself at the expense of other promotions. Yeah, tell that to the ROHBots and WWElitists. On the topic of being a Hall of Famer and what he has to offer as such, Flair rants a bit about how great he is. The gist is that he's the measuring stick and everyone wants to be Ric Flair. I'm not sure if the arrogance in this interview was "Ric Flair" or "Richard Fleihr", but either way it was a little annoying.

Super special in-ring introductions for the main event. Aries gets "Austin Asshole" chants. Black gets a good pop, and Danielson gets about an equal pop, but also gets a "Best in the World" Chant. Lynn sadly gets a mixed reaction, mostly boos. Pricks.


ROH World Championship Match: Jerry Lynn © vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Austin Aries vs. Tyler Black
Handshakes without incident, even from Aries, which surprised me a bit. Danielson gets the "You're gonna get your fuckin' head kicked" and "Fuck ‘em up Dragon" chants, so I guess he's the true favorite. The bell rings and they all close in, tentative to lock up. Aries starts talking trash, and shoves Tyler out of the way. Dragon takes exception and Lynn just watches as Aries and Dragon engage in a shoving match, but Aries cheapshots him with an elbow. Aries pays for it as Dragon and Black pummel him, but when he gets whipped to the rope, he casually walks outside. He runs around with his arms up like an idiot, but Lynn takes him out with the hilo off the apron. Lynn slams Aries into the guardrail as Dragon puts Black in a headlock. Black shoves him off but eats a shoulder tackle, but sprawls and hits a dropkick that sends Dragon outside. Lynn punches Aries some more and comes into the ring. Lynn and Black repeat the sequence, but Lynn is smart enough to stay in the ropes. Black lands on his feet though, and tries a military press. Lynn counters with an O'Connor Roll for the first nearfall. Aries is on the apron but Lynn takes him out with a forearm before catching Black with a tilt-a-whirl headscissors. Lynn tries a cover but Black is in the ropes. Dragon comes in and puts the champ in an Indian Deathlock.

Tyler and Aries brawl in the walkway as Dragon changes the deathlock a bit by standing up and then bridging for more pressure. Dragon rolls it over into the most painful variant, but Lynn gets the ropes. Dragon hits an uppercut and whips Lynn cross corner, but runs into an elbow. Lynn follows that up with a hurricane rana but Aries attacks him with the DEVASTATING back and chest rakes! Lynn returns the favor as Black pummels Dragon on the apron. Tyler puts Dragon in the ring and hits some punches, while Aries reverses an Irish Whip on Lynn and sends him into the barricade. Dragon makes a comeback with a European Uppercut, whips Black and hits a knee to the gut and follows up with a stiff kick to the back. Dragon puts Black in the Mexican Surfboard as Aries throws Lynn back in, but Aries breaks that up with a forearm drop. Aries tries to put Dragon in a surfboard, but Bryan powers out before he get the hold on. Lynn gets two off a small package on Dragon but eats an Uppercut. Tyler stomps at Aries in the corner but nearly gets pinned off of a schoolboy from Dragon. Dragon hits a snapmare and applies a chinlock, which is quickly joined by Aries and Lynn for a triple chinlock. Orton just found his next porn tape.

Black breaks that up with a super jawbreaker, but Lynn puts him in a figure-four. Aries than shows how awesome he is by turning the hold over and humbling Lynn with a camel clutch (and Prazak does say "humbling"). Dragon breaks that up with a kick to Aries' chest, but fails to get a pin on either Lynn or Black. He drops Tyler with another uppercut, but Tyler kicks him off to prevent another deathlock/figure four, and Aries pulls Dragon out to the floor and into the rail. Aries goes into the ring to avoid a pescado from Black, who lands on the apron, but when he tries a springboard move Aries knocks him off and into Dragon. Lynn gets a kick and a forearm, whips Aries cross-corner, but when he charges Aries tosses him up and Lynn crotches himself on the top rope. Aries swears it was an accident but hits a neckbreaker through the ropes to bring Lynn back in the ring. Aries only gets two off that. He snapmares Lynn and tries to apply an inverted figure-four, but stops to hit Tyler off the apron. Another pinfall (off of nothing) gets two for Aries, and he then has to forearm Dragon off the apron. He whips Lynn to the corner and hits a corner spear for two more. He kicks Tyler out again and hits an STO on Lynn and then…hits the ropes repeatedly.

He knocks Dragon off the apron again, but Lynn finally makes a comeback with forearms and knocks him down with a pair of shoulder blocks. Aries sidesteps a third one and the Champ tumbles outside. Aries goes for the heat seeking missile, but Dragon trips him up from the outside. Aries knocks him back down with a shoulder to the gut and decides to hit the HSM on him, but then Lynn trips him up. Aries tries the shoulder to Lynn, but Lynn moves and hits a legdrop that snaps Aries throat off the middle rope. Black takes him out with the springboard clothesline. Tyler rallies and hits the corner forearm, and throws him into the TKO from Lynn, which sets up Dragon's charging knee to the face. Lynn and Black break up a pin attempt, but eat uppercuts afterwards. Lynn reverses a cross-corner whip but Dragon flips out of the turnbuckles into a waistlock from Black. Dragon reverses to his own waistlock, and Lynn hits the sunset flip that forces Dragon to German Suplex Black, but only gets two.

Lynn hits a series of forearms but Dragon reverses an Irish Whip, and then counters a rolling schoolboy, which triggers a series of nearfalls. Lynn gets a jackknife for a few more nearfalls, and Dragon tries to bridge up but Tyler hits them both with a lionsault mid-bridge! Awesome! He only gets two, and Dragon bridges up AGAIN, only for Tyler to kick him in the face! A schoolboy on Lynn gets two and Black kicks him in the face. Tyler sets up for a powerbomb/piledriver, but Aries breaks it up with a running back rake and a clothesline. Aries hits a shinbreaker on Lynn before dropping him with a suplex, and eats a flurry of kicks from Dragon. He catches one and hits the shinbreaker/suplex combo on Dragon, but Black unloads with punches and a chop. Aries ducks a clothesline from Black and takes out Lynn with the Heat Seeking Missile! Black hits them both with a tope con hilo. Aries dumps Black into the crowd, but Dragon baseball slides him into the crowd. He manages to move out of the way when Dragon hits a springboard plancha, and only Black gets hit. Aries is the only man inside, so he tries to win the title on a count-out. This plays off of the double count-out that Black and Dragon had earlier, but it's kind of lame. Lynn saves his title by getting into the ring at the last possible second.

Lynn counters the Brainbuster with a backslide for two. Aries whips him to the corner, but Lynn manages to turn it into a sunset flip, but Aries hits the dropkick! Aries hits the corner dropkick and Brainbuster, but Lynn gets his foot on the rope. Black suplexes Danielson on the floor and Aries misses the 450° Splash on Lynn! Tyler picks up Austin and powerbombs him into Lynn in the corner! SUPERKICK! 1…2…Lynn saves Aries and the title! Black sets up both men so he can hit the Phoenix Splash, but Danielson is up and he hits the backdrop superplex, landing on Aries and Lynn! The crowd chants "This is Awesome!" as all four men recover, and Dragon kicks Tyler's head in! TRIANGLE CHOKE! Lynn tries to break it up but almost gets pinned with a schoolboy, LAST CHANCERY! It's a submission race, but Black finishes it by powerbomb Dragon onto Lynn and Aries!

An "ROH" chant picks up as all four men get up. Dragon and Lynn trade forearms and so do Aries and Black. Black and Lynn go down, and Dragon takes out Aries with a leaping kick to the face. He tries a German on Black, but Tyler escapes and hits the Pelé! GOD'S LAST GIFT! 1…2…LYNN SAVES HIS TITLE! The crowd pisses me off with a "Fuck you Lynn!" chant. Lynn and Black trade counters and end up in the corner, and Aries takes them both out with a dropkick. Black tries the Brainbuster on Lynn a second time, but Lynn counters with a knee, and Danielson hits a Tiger Suplex for 2! Dragon goes for Cattle Mutilation, but Lynn catches him when he rolls forward and drills him with the Cradle Piledriver for the pin at 21:39!

Analysis
Well, after they hyped this match for a month, it had to deliver. It delivered in spades. There were a few minutes when Aries was working over Lynn that were a little tedious, but the match was nonstop hard hitting action for the rest of it. A lot of the spots that they did in this match could have come off contrived, but all four men worked it out very well, and they all came off without a hitch. There were a few things I have never seen before, so the match gets points for innovation. Danielson getting pinned is the right result, because he is perma-over. ROH had an awesome main event last week, but this one topped it. This is your TV MOTY so far. ****1/4

After the match, Lynn receives a mixed reaction, and seems to be hurt by it, but he also has a nasty bruise on his left arm. Aries is seething and he tries to grab the belt, but Lynn pulls it away. Austin bails. Tyler shakes Lynn's hand but indicates that he was just that close. Danielson tries to recover from the Piledriver, and Lynn tries to help him up. Danielson doesn't want help, but he does extend his hand for the handshake afterward.


Well, this whole show was based around the success of the main event, and the main event succeeded with flying colors. It's basically a one-match show, but that one match was hyped for a month and lived up to it. Definately go out of your way to the catch this. Here, I'll make it easy.




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I still want to see ratings.

Posted By: Guest#1183 (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 02:24 PM

 
 
What an awesome main event! I watched it on tuesday on youtube but I think the link you've put up is better...

Posted By: Guest#0178 (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 02:44 PM

 
 
Ayone who got pissy because of the "Fuck you Lynn" chant needs to realize one very important thing. Philly is where Tyler Black exploded onto the main-event scene. We want to see him finally reach his goal as champion. It's like the kids who root for Jeff Hardy, only we support a wrestler with talent on a show with actual wrestling.

Posted By: Brian C. (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 02:52 PM

 
 
Everybody complains when WWE or TNA (especially TNA) give away PPV quality matches on free tv, but they say nothing when that is all ROH has done since this HDNet thing started.

Posted By: Nick (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 02:57 PM

 
 
Everybody complains when WWE or TNA (especially TNA) give away PPV quality matches on free tv, but they say nothing when that is all ROH has done since this HDNet thing started.

Posted By: Nick (Guest) on June 10, 2009 at 02:57 PM

Are you seriously that dumb? With ROH throwing away great matches is way other story comparing to WWE or TNA. Because ROH is not a PPV-based promotion. ROH tends to concentrate on DVDs rather than TVs or PPVs. And ROH only has 5-6 PPVs per year, so don't you think that would be shit if they only show good matches 5 or 6 times per year?

BTW, speaking of the show, a fuckin amazing main event :) Vintage Ring of Honor.


Posted By: Guest#3596 (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 03:35 PM

 
 
Except Nick that ROH runs PPV so infrequently that they can afford to put on these great matches for television. PPV is not their main source of income / profit, the DVD sales have been that main source and if you want to sell DVDs, then you put on a good to great show on free TV and say that if you want more action like this then check out the website and buy the DVDs.

Posted By: SAVE_BEAR.729 (Registered)  on June 10, 2009 at 03:54 PM

 
 
Brian, I can understand that. But there's a difference between being supportive of your guy and being an asshole to the other people. Since the "show with actual talent" is built around respect, I'd like to see the fans show respect as well. Instead, they come off as the petty, elitest, "smart" crowd that most wrestling fans can't stand.

***

Nick, they've done it twice in twelve shows. And Smackdown! has been putting on a **** match every other week. Nobody's complaining.


Posted By: Chief Runs With Beer (Registered)  on June 10, 2009 at 04:32 PM

 
 
"It's like the kids who root for Jeff Hardy, only we support a wrestler with talent on a show with actual wrestling."

oooh, you're so cool. You watch a show with "actual wrestling". No you don't, you watch a show with pro wrestling. Which is just what Raw, Smackdown, Impact, etc are. ROH may be a different style, but trust me, a bunch of short guys doing flips and pretending to be MMA fighters is no more "actual wrestling" than anything else on TV these days. Just because there's some chain and scientific wrestling doesn't make it Flair/Steamboat. This match was a four-way where the champion didn't even have to be pinned to lose his title. That's about as modern and "sports entertainment" as it gets. And don't get me started on some of the selling (or lack there of)that I've seen on ROH's tv show.

Let me clue everyone in to something: We watch pro wrestling and follow it on the internet. Regardless of which promotion you watch, you're not cool. Watching the "coolest" or "trendiest" wrestling show is like f**king the thinnest fat chick in a group of fat chicks. Yeah, she's not the worst, but she's still fat.


Posted By: jeff (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM

 
 
i need this damn channel!

Posted By: joe (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 05:49 PM

 
 
oooh, you're so cool. You watch a show with "actual wrestling". No you don't, you watch a show with pro wrestling. Which is just what Raw, Smackdown, Impact, etc are. ROH may be a different style, but trust me, a bunch of short guys doing flips and pretending to be MMA fighters is no more "actual wrestling" than anything else on TV these days. Just because there's some chain and scientific wrestling doesn't make it Flair/Steamboat. This match was a four-way where the champion didn't even have to be pinned to lose his title. That's about as modern and "sports entertainment" as it gets. And don't get me started on some of the selling (or lack there of)that I've seen on ROH's tv show.

Let me clue everyone in to something: We watch pro wrestling and follow it on the internet. Regardless of which promotion you watch, you're not cool. Watching the "coolest" or "trendiest" wrestling show is like f**king the thinnest fat chick in a group of fat chicks. Yeah, she's not the worst, but she's still fat.

Posted By: jeff (Guest) on June 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM

Excellent.


Posted By: Dan (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 06:37 PM

 
 
When I said PPV quality matches I didn't mean "great" matches...I meant they are putting all their big, main event names against each other all the time in one on one matches.

They've already given away Black vs Jacobs, Danielson vs Aries, Danielson vs Black (twice), Aries vs Strong, and now this 4-way title match. Every once in a while a big match like one of these is alright, but this is a lot for only 12 shows.

All these could have been reserved for PPV or a show on DVD.


Posted By: Nick (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 07:37 PM

 
 
Brian, I can understand that. But there's a difference between being supportive of your guy and being an asshole to the other people. Since the "show with actual talent" is built around respect, I'd like to see the fans show respect as well. Instead, they come off as the petty, elitest, "smart" crowd that most wrestling fans can't stand.

Posted By: Chief Runs With Beer (Registered) on June 10, 2009 at 04:32 PM


Fair point. Believe me, looking back on it I might not have done it again. I watched the episode on Youtube and was happy that they showed both sides after the match. Those like me and my friends applauding Lynn for his effort, and then the camera pans to those who flipped him off.

As for you go jeff, I also clue you in to one of America's greatest things: Freedom of Speech. I can say that I watch "actual wrestling" instead of the mindless dribble that has been presented to us on a weekly basis. And not only does my opinion actually have merit, but it can also create different opiions from both sides of the issue.

You have voiced various complaints on the ROH show, and we could go back and forth before you start using insults to make a point. Instead I choose to respect your opinion and take the high road on the matter.


Posted By: Brian C. (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 08:12 PM

 
 
Jeff, at first I thought you were another "Indy Hater" bashing ROH, but you just posted one of the most well reasoned, logical, and un-elitest comments I've ever seen.

*Standing ovation*


Posted By: Chief Runs With Beer (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 08:29 PM

 
 
i was at the show, i was chanting fuck you lynn also. everyone wanted tyler black to win and nobody liked lynn.

Posted By: Guest#5280 (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 08:51 PM

 
 
Look, the important thing is we got three, maybe FOUR (if you include Mysterio/Jericho, which I probably would) 4+ star matches over the weekend. Can't ask for more than that.

Posted By: The REAL MP (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 09:09 PM

 
 
Fuck all this petty shit. I watch Smackdown, because I like it and I think it is good quality right now. I ALWAYS watch ROH because it is ALWAYS quality (dealbreaker coming) IN MY F'N OPINION. Some people really need to get the hell over it. I think that the main event was a minimum of a 4 **** match. I expect different things of a WWE and an ROH main event, as I expect from the companies/brands/whatevers in general, and I think that this main event really delivered.

On the Jerry Lynn thing, I thought the fuck you chant was a bit much, but I like it when crowds speak their minds to be honest, which is something I like about the wrestling outside the major brands. I also think that Brent Albright assaulting Kyle Durden with a shoe was unnecessary. I already don't really like him, but maybe Cabana can save it. Finally, the crowd LOVED Bobby Dempsey. It was awesome, that's what a couple of years of build does for a guy.


Posted By: Pete (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 09:45 PM

 
 
"It's like the kids who root for Jeff Hardy, only we support a wrestler with talent on a show with actual wrestling."

oooh, you're so cool. You watch a show with "actual wrestling". No you don't, you watch a show with pro wrestling. Which is just what Raw, Smackdown, Impact, etc are. ROH may be a different style, but trust me, a bunch of short guys doing flips and pretending to be MMA fighters is no more "actual wrestling" than anything else on TV these days. Just because there's some chain and scientific wrestling doesn't make it Flair/Steamboat. This match was a four-way where the champion didn't even have to be pinned to lose his title. That's about as modern and "sports entertainment" as it gets. And don't get me started on some of the selling (or lack there of)that I've seen on ROH's tv show.

Let me clue everyone in to something: We watch pro wrestling and follow it on the internet. Regardless of which promotion you watch, you're not cool. Watching the "coolest" or "trendiest" wrestling show is like f**king the thinnest fat chick in a group of fat chicks. Yeah, she's not the worst, but she's still fat.

Posted By: jeff (Guest) on June 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM

Jeff: 1
Brian C: 0


Posted By: The Ref (Guest)  on June 10, 2009 at 09:53 PM

 
 
Lets not go and call RAW actual wrestling. It's not been too good for a while now on that side of things. ECW, Smackdown and Superstars have been blowing ROH away week after week though, apart from the ROH main events which are all pretty much Match of the Year contenders. Apart from the first two and Albright/CC.

As for the Lynn chants, I did the same thing to a wrestler on a local show because he won the title that I wanted my favourite to win. It's not something I'm ashamed of. I love the fact that wrestling gets me so wound up at times. It's what I love about it. Anyone who says "I wouldn't do it again" annoys me. Allow yourself to get that involved again you plonkers.


Posted By: DomDom (Guest)  on June 11, 2009 at 09:01 AM

 
 
I also was at this show and was pretty shocked at the chants Lynn received. It's crazy considering his huge pop when he came back, and then Philly completely turning during his title reign.

The interesting thing, was that the previous tapings (the ones after this HDNet show), Lynn was not disrespected like he was on this show. Perhaps it's because he had a match with Hero that was exceptional and because he was in a 6 man tag...but things really calmed down in regards to the Lynn hate.

As for giving away PPV quality matches on a TV show. I do understand what you're saying, but I don't agree at all.

ROH, right now, is attempting to build itself up to new fans and appease the hardcore. They need to be throwing everything and the kitchen sink to the TV show right now because that is where the new market is.

Sure, they could have saved it for PPV, but PPV has been canceled and ROH has known it would be for some time. And they could save it for a DVD, but the expected viewership of a DVD vs. a TV product (and one shown on teh net) is a drastically different number.

For that reason alone, I understand ROH doing what they did. This also is one of the first MAJOR matches that could have headlined a PPV. Some of the other matches listed were decent, but not up to this standard.

By that train of thought, I don't think ROH blew their load early on this match.

The television tapings are continually getting better, and once people see Dragon vs. Black, they will deem that MOTY and probably say the same thing. But they have to do what they have to do to get the viewers NOW.

-RR


Posted By: Ryan Raze (Guest)  on June 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM

 
 
Jeff:
The only problem is that the thinnest of those fat chicks wouldn't give you the time of day. Nor would the fattest of the fat chicks, for that matter.
Plus, we all know you're biased anyway, so that entire drivel of yours may as well be rendered moot.


Posted By: Gary Soneji (Guest)  on June 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM

 
 
No response from Jeff? Guess that evens the score. God I love America.

Posted By: Brian C. (Guest)  on June 14, 2009 at 06:24 PM

 
 
"No response from Jeff? Guess that evens the score. God I love America."

If a friend hadn't emailed me and let me know about this comment, you wouldn't have gotten a response at all. You see, when I read a tv recap, I generally only read it once. Even if I make a comment, I don't go back to see what kind of response was elicited. I made my statement, it is what it is. There is no score keeping.

next...

"As for you go jeff, I also clue you in to one of America's greatest things: Freedom of Speech. I can say that I watch "actual wrestling" instead of the mindless dribble that has been presented to us on a weekly basis. And not only does my opinion actually have merit, but it can also create different opiions from both sides of the issue."

Yes, and that freedom of speech allows me to mock what you've said, if I so choose. Please, though, explain to me what qualifications exist that establish the "merit" of your opinions. I find that statement confusing and fail to see what it has to do with the fact that you don't agree with me. Furthermore, does my opinion have merit under these mysterious conditions and how was my opinion any less effective at establishing discourse than your brilliant observation about Jeff Hardy and the people who watch WWE?


Posted By: jeff (Guest)  on June 15, 2009 at 06:37 PM

 


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