411's WWE Raw Report 10.12.09
Posted by Rob McNew on 10.12.2009
We get a new Diva's Champion not once, but twice. Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase pick up clean pins on John Cena and Randy Orton. The Big Show squares off against Chris Jericho. Triple H spends quality time with a midget and a cardboard cutout. A celebrity turns in the best wrestling performance by a female on Raw in months. All of that and more in the most bizarre Raw in years
-Well since I last joined you my beloved Cardinals decided to totally crap the bed in the playoffs meaning I will be here recapping Raw all October to the delight of a few of you, and the chagrin of a few more. Tonight's Monday Night Football competition isn't nearly as stiff as last week, so hopefully Raw can put forth a strong effort in front of a larger audience. Tonight we are guest hosted by a couple ladies I've never heard of, but are sure easy on the eyes. They are TV hosts so they should be camera friendly, so hopefully they can provide a little fun and stay out of the way for most part. We're two weeks out from Breaking Point where we'll see John Cena challenge Randy Orton in an Ironman match, so lets get to it.
-Live from Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis, IN
-Hosted by Michael Cole & Jerry "The King" Lawler
-Chris Jericho opens the show in the back, and says in two weeks explaining the pay per view concept. He says as part of being the unified World Tag Team Champions he is allowed to be on both shows. He is a proud Smackdown member, and will be the captain of their team in the 7 on 7 tag team main event. I guess it's not just the winners then? Nancy O'Dell interrupts him to tell him that we don't start Raw with him, but rather with DX.
-Triple H comes out with no Shawn for a promo. HHH has the time keeper come in the ring to stand in for Shawn Michaels and run circles around Trips before handing him the mic. Funny bit. HHH goes through the "Are you ready" bit, and says Shawn isn't here. He says DX was going to announce they were captaining Team Raw, but Shawn couldn't make it tonight. He says he could go ahead and set it up on his own, but instead he's going to call Shawn and badger him on live TV. Shockingly the phone is hooked up to arena speaker, and hilariously Shawn's voice mail picks up with him singing a version of his "Sexy Boy" theme. HHH asks Shawn where he is, and he says his daughter is sick and he had to stay home with her. Shawn says he got most of the vomit out of his hair, and HHH called at the right time. He says he just put the little girl to sleep, and read her a story. That lets HHH plug the new DX book. HHH lets Shawn go, and wants to move on to Bragging Rights but instead is interrupted by Jerishow. HHH asks Show to hold up the book and smile into the camera, but he instead smacks the book away. Jericho says Bragging Rights is in two weeks, and he will be the captain of Team Smackdown. Jericho runs down all of Smackdown's accomplishments, and HHH calls it a good show with a spineless general manager who does whatever Vince says. He says it has a grumpy little troll that runs his mouth all the time, and it features great wrestling like the kind we see with Great Khali. He does say its nowhere on the level of Raw though. Jericho says Smackdown has the superior team because, and even though Show is on Raw he wants him to be on his team. HHH calls out Show for letting Jericho boss him around, and throws out some thinly veiled homosexual innuendo like only HHH can. Show says he and Jericho are equals, and really he kind of carries the team. That leads to Jerishow having a little lovers quarrel where Show calls out Jericho for getting pinned last week, and Jericho calls Show the laughing stock of Sportscenter for getting punked by Shaq. Show says Shaq is at least 7 feet tall, and says he didn't get punked out by Bob Barker. Jericho says he turned around Show's career, and he's no longer a laughing stock remembered for being knocked out by Mayweather. Show then says he changed his mind and wants to be on Raw, which HHH says is exciting but unfortunately they're full. HHH says he can do him a favor though, as the guest hosts have let him book a match to let Show earn his spot. Show is all for that, and HHH says to be on Team Raw all he'll have to do is beat Chris Jericho. And that match is next.
Bragging Rights Qualifying Match: Chris Jericho vs. The Big Show
Show backs Jericho into the corner on the lockup, but offers a clean break. Again he casually backs Jericho into the corner before breaking. Jericho grabs a go behind, but Show uses his has to casually knock him away. Jericho tries a chop which successfully pisses Show off who returns the favor with a huge open hand chop sending Jericho to the floor. Show palms Jericho's head back into the ring, and tells Jericho to calm down a little bit and asks for a handshake. Jericho is angry though and wont back down, so Show grabs him by the throat and pushes him away. Jericho tries to come out of the corner with a codebreaker, but Show catches him again sits him on the top and rope and tells him to calm down or he'll get hurt. Jericho wants none of it, and smacks Show which earns him a slap knocking him all the way to the floor. Jericho feigns a knee injury, and Show goes to check on him. Jericho tries to sneak inside before the 10 count, but Show catches him and pulls him back outside. Show then slides in and that beats the count to pick up the win at 4:37. Ridiculously lame finish, but more storyline than match, but Show qualifies for the Raw team. Winner: The Big Show (Count Out DUD)
-Maria Menounos is with Legacy who say they are banged up but ready to compete. They think they are deserving of being on Team Raw. Cody says they both do, but Maria says that's not possible because DX booked a triple threat match. Whoever wins will be on the team. Ted asks who the third man is, and Maria responds it will be John Cena.
-HHH is in the back talking to Shawn on the phone with a Shawn cardboard cutout, as this thing starts to look more and more like Impact. While Shawn is on the phone Hornswoggle comes in to Shawn's music and dressed like Shawn. Cowboy hat, wig, the whole bit. Shawn runs out to the front room to watch in horror, and then Hornswoggle superkicks the carboard cutout. HHH comes to the rescue, and then Swoggle runs off with a crotch chop. This was terrible and hilarious all at once.
-Santino hits on the guest hosts in the back, and suggests he could be a new male host of Access Hollywood. He gives his audition, but Beth barges in pissed off about the fact that she's been traded to Smackdown. She orders Nancy to call Teddy Long and trade her back, and when Maria gets lippy she gets thrown up to the wall. Santino suggests a match with Maria and Beth tonight, and it becomes official. Beth shoves Santino away and Santino responds that when they were intimate he faked every "organism."
-Recap of the events leading to the Ironman Match at Breaking Point.
Bragging Rights Qualifying Match: Ted Dibiase vs. Cody Rhodes vs. John Cena
Legacy surrounds Cena at the outset, but Cena fights them off clotheslining Cody and hitting a bulldog on Ted. Cody comes back with a dropkick, and Legacy takes control beating him down with a double team. Cena hits the ropes and ducks a double clothesline before taking out both men with a clothesline of his own. Cena hits a sidewalk slam on Dibiase, and then throws Cody to the apron. Attitude Adjustment attempt by Dibiase is blocked, and Cody comes in with a chop block as they regain control. Double suplex connects for Legacy, and Teddy then chokes out Cena in the corner with his boot. Cody heads to the second rope and delivers a bulldog to Cena as the double team attack continues. Dibiase hits a running kick to the face, and then Legacy measures Cena with a double dropkick. Legacy whips Cena into the corner, and that is followed by Ted choking him on the bottom rope. Dibiase goes for a slam, but Cena counters and then knocks Rhodes from the apron. He turns around into a clothesline from Dibiase which gets two as we head to break. Back from commercial as Cena is making a comeback, but DIbiase hits a clothesline but Cody breaks up the cover. They have words, but go back to double teaming Cena. Cena dumps Cody over the top rope, but Dibiase hits a dropkick for two. Dibiase charges at Cena but misses running shoulder first into the ring post. Cody sneaks up from behind with a swinging neckbreaker for two, and then drops a knee across the back of the neck for another two count. Cena comes back with a fisherman's suplex, but Dibiase is in to break up the two count. They set up Cena for a double suplex, but Cena blocks it and instead suplexes both of them simultaneously. Cena clotheslines Cody over the top rope, and then levels Dibiase with a clothesline. Belly to belly suplex connects to Dibiase, and then a backdrop takes out Cody. Cena locks in the STF on Dibiase, but Orton slides in to provide a distraction before leaving the ring. The distraction from Orton causes Cena to turn his attention to him. Dibiase is also distracted, and that allows Cody to sneak up for the rollup and the pin at 13:20. Dibiase is not pleased, and gets in Cody's face as Orton tries to break them up. Nothing special here. Just a prolonged beatdown by Legacy with various Cena comebacks mixed in followed by a screwy TNAesque ending. Winner: Cody Rhodes (pins Dibiase-Rollup **)
-Nancy O'Dell comes on the tron, and says since they're tag team partners who aren't getting along they can face another pair of partners who aren't getting along. Tonight it will be Legacy vs. John Cena and Randy Orton. Is she Russo's long lost sister or something?
Bragging Rights Qualifying Match: Jack Swagger vs. Montel Vontavious Porter
Swagger goes for the gutwrench right away, but MVP counters into an armdrag. MVP hits a running clothesline, but Swagger is back to fire MVP into the ringpost. Swagger goes to work on the shoulder of MVP, and then shoots the half for a two count. Swagger grabs an armbar, but hits the ropes and runs into a throw from MVP. MVP hits a facebuster, and then delivers the ballin' elbow drop for two. Swagger comes right back dropping down on the shoulder, and then hits the gutwrench for the pin at 2:34. Everything seems rushed tonight. This was nothing more than a glorified squash. Winner: Jack Swagger (Pinfall-Gutwrench Powerbomb *)
-Legacy continues their argument before interrupted by Orton who tells them he's not tagging in tonight. He's leaving Cena for them. He asks if its understood, and Ted says its understood that Cody knows what is at stake if he pins Orton and Cena in the same night. Cody claims Ted knows he can redeem himself by pinning Randy tonight. Orton tells them if that's what they're thinking they better keep thinking. No seriously…that's what he said. Who's writing this?
Bragging Rights Qualifying Match: Kofi Kingston vs. Evan Bourne
Joined in progress out of the break with Kofi having Bourne locked in a side headlock. Kofi grabs an armbar, but Bourne armdrags out and they trade pinning combos. Kofi hits the ropes, but runs into a spinning heel kick from Bourne for two. Bourne grabs a half crab, but Kofi rolls out and then tosses Bourne in the air catching him with a European uppercut on the way down. Kofi looks to jump to the top rope, but Bourne ducks and stacks up Kofi for a two count. Kofi hits the SOS for a two count, but Bourne is back with a spin kick and a knee to the face. He heads to the top rope, but Kofi is there. Bourne jumps off and heads back to the second rope, but he jumps into trouble in paradise for the pin at 2:48. Nice match, but again terribly rushed. They packed about as much into 3 minutes as possible though. Winner: Kofi Kingston (Pinfall-Trouble in Paradise **)
-HHH continues discussing things with the now bandaged up Shawn cutout, when the guest hosts stop by to get last second advice for Maria's match. HHH plugs his book, and then wants to know if she remembers his advice. She says all he taught her was a few kicks and how to put him in a headscissor for fifteen minutes. Chavo stops by and wants to know whats up with him and Swoggle, but HHH says he doesn't like the troll anymore than he does and wants to sue him for gimmick infringement. Chavo then gets all indignant saying he should be the captain of Team Raw, so HHH has Maria practice her kick blasting Chavo in the nuts. Back to the Shawn cutout, and Shawn saying via speaker phone that if we're not down with that he's got two words for us.
Six Diva Tag Team Match: Beth Phoenix, Rosa Mendes, & Alicia Fox vs. Kelly Kelly, Gail Kim, & Maria Menounos (w. Nancy O'Dell)
We get a preview of Maria's new movie "Serial Buddies" not due out until next year, and it looks pretty awful. Gail starts out with Alicia and rolls her up for one. She grabs an armdrag, and tags in Maria who comes in and beals Alicia a couple of times by her hair. Maria hits a nice sunset flip which instantly might make her the second best wrestler in the match, but Alicia is able to make the tag to Beth. Beth gets in Maria's face, but she gets a kick and slap before tagging out to Kelly. Kelly gets the wrath of the Glamazon as she is met with a spinning sidewalk slam, and then is driven into the heel corner before a tag is made to Rosa. Kelly regains control and hits her handspring splash into the corner, but gets a shot from Rosa. Rosa goes after the faces in the corner, but Maria drops her on the top rope. Kelly then hits a legdrop which finishes Rosa at 2:25. This was short, and shockingly not terrible. Maria did not embarrass herself at all in what little bit she did. That's more than we can say for most of these ladies lately. Winners: Kelly Kelly, Gail Kim, & Maria Menounos (Kelly pins Rosa-Legdrop *1/2)
-New US Champion The Miz is out and asks that the crowd show some respect for the new Champ. He asks if he's bragging too much, and then tells us to get used to it. He says we need to get used to it, as in two weeks the US Champion from Raw will be taking on the Intercontinental Champion from Smackdown John Morrison. OH, SWEET JESUS YES. Miz says he was the talent of the tag team, and Morrison was nothing more than a hairdo with abs. He calls John the new Richard Simmons, and says in 10 years time when he's still wearing bedazzled tank tops and hanging out with 400 pound women Miz will be the face of the number 1 show in Sports Entertainment.
Randy Orton & John Cena vs. Legacy
So in the past week the Cardinals were swept from the playoffs, the Blues lost their first two home games, Mizzou football choked away a 12 point fourth quarter lead at home to Nebraska, The Rams continued their quest to be the worst NFL team ever, and even tonight Evan Bourne lost his Bragging Rights Qualifier. Only Randy Orton is left to salvage the worst sports week in Gateway City History. Orton says he just got off the phone with Snoop Dogg, and he told him that next week will be Cena's last on Raw. After hearing that Snoop agreed that Cena will compete in one of the biggest matches of his career, but declines to tell us what that will be. I would pay top dollar to listen to a phone conversation between Snoop and Orton. Cole says we'll find out the details on that match when this one is complete. Orton goes to the floor not even pretending he will be tagging in, and Dibiase starts the match with Cena. Cena grabs a go behind and takes down Dibiase, before grabbing a front facelock. Dibiase elbows free and sends Cena into the Legacy corner stomping him down. Rhodes tags in and stomps Cena a bit before tagging Teddy back in. Dibiase delivers a standing dropkick for two, and then hits a powerslam for another two count. Rhodes tags back in and locks in a modified camel clutch, which he turns into a rear chinlock. Cena stands up and counters into a protoplex, and that allows him to tag an unsuspecting Orton into the match. Cena stands on the floor to ensure that Orton can't return the favor. Orton grabs a side headlock on Cody, but Rhodes counters into a rollup for two. Dibiase tags himself in and rolls Orton up twice for two counts before Orton goes and tags Cena into the match. Orton and Cena make REALLY ANGRY FACES at each other, before Cena decides to turn his attention back to Teddy. Cena hits a pair of shoulderblocks and a protoplex which sets up the five knuckle shuffle. Orton tags himself into the match, but Cena goes for the Attitude Adjustment on Dibiase. Orton pulls Dibiase off Cena's shoulders and goes to work on him, but Dibiase rolls him up from behind and gets the pin at 6:09. An insensed Orton screams at Legacy, but turns around long enough to get an Attitude Adjustment from Cena. Winners: Legacy (Dibiase pins Orton-Rollup **1/2)
-Next Week's Huge Main Event for John Cena's potential Raw Finale will be John Cena vs. Triple H.
-So lets see here. Celebrities wrestling? Check. The same title changing hands twice? Check. Tag team partner's wrestling each other? Check. Tag team partner's who hate each other? Check. Tons of rollup finishes? Check. This show was right out of the Russo playbook. It wasn't all bad mind you. Both Legacy members getting clean (albeit cheap) victories over the two top guys was nice to see, and a few of the segments provided some legit laugh out loud moments. They did a good job of selling the pay per view concept, but all in all the bad on this show far outweighed any of the good.
This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
I liked this one, two good Raws in a row, Bragging Rights looks good too
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Glad I missed it. See, there's this sport called football.
Posted By: Jericho Drumm (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Nancy O'Dell= Best RAW EVER!!
Posted By: Guest#9854 (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:24 PM
So Team Smackdown:
Jericho
Hart Dynasty
Kane
Matt Hardy
Finlay
Mr. Ziggles
Yea, I wonder who's winning...
Posted By: Guest#6378 (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM
It was a bad show but got me excited for Bragging Rights which I might actually order, and if I do it'd be the first time since 2005 I ordered two WWE PPV's in a year. Since I ordered Summer Slam this year. I used to hate WWE but it's been great this year. I really don't see PG hurting the product in any way it seems the EXACT sme than from 2006. Only time PG hurt the product was HIAC and that was only one friggin show.
Posted By: Klossing (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Hahahahahahahahahaha, the Cardinals looooooooooooooooost~
Posted By: Anonguy (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM
After the third shot on TNA i stopped reading. Too bad it was only 3 matches in.
Posted By: Burnout (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Quite frankly, I found Hunter's weekly homo joke to be quite sophisticated, quite frankly.
Posted By: Vince McMahon (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Cole was especially awful this week. I mean, feel free to talk about the PPV, but if he said "Bragging Rights" one more time, I was going to vomit.
Posted By: SeatsPro (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:43 PM
This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
how would you know? from reading a report? seeing as the closing words of this report are "It wasn't all bad mind you" makes me think that you were going to write your lame comment no matter what.
monday night spent not watching wrestling but still coming online to bash it = epic fail
Posted By: ohmyumbrella (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Bragging Rights has got so much potential. I want to see the Hart Dynasty right the wrongs of 1997 and take DX out at the show. Vince pulling a screwjob ending on Triple H while Dave Hart Smith has him in a sharpshooter would be gold.
Posted By: Guest#6471 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I would pay top dollar to listen to a phone conversation between Snoop and Orton.
Posted By: Freudian Homo Slip (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Doesn't sound like I missed anything here.
Posted By: Guest#0089 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Wow. Imitate all you want WWE but TNA has the Original Russo.
Posted By: joemark0 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:25 AM
This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
So you're gonna base your opinion on a show you didn't watch on someone else's opinion? I thought it was a pretty decent show. I like where the Legacy storyline is going.
But yeah...Hall of Shame. You're right.
Posted By: Guest#5770 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:32 AM
sup with all the lame ass TNA shots as though they both haven't had their bad and good spots this year.. actually TNA has had more good this year than bad.....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:36 AM
So They're Having A 7 vs. 7 Tag Match At The PPV? Couldn't They Wait A Month For, Oh I Don't Know...SURVIVOR SERIES??? I Mean They Keep Changing PPV Names To Match The "Gimmick" Matches In Them And Then They Do Something Stupid Like This? FOR SHAME!!
Posted By: KnotSlip (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:36 AM
God I hate that fucking commentary. Week in and week out Cole and King especially Cole
annoys the fuck out of me.
Posted By: Guest#2607 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Dolphins/Jets game > Raw
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:02 AM
Well at least Hornswoggle isn'twrestling, an even though I don't like anything about what they have done with him and quite frankly he doesn't even need to be on te show. i did laugh out loud when he kicked the poster down and started humping it. Not sure if that was a vieled jab at Shaq or not when he took out that cardboard cut out of that MMA guy or notbut it was stil pretty funny.
Orton getting rolled up was predictable. And doesn't really add anything to anything. if theywant to get legacy away from him it should just eb a total beat down out of the blue that costs Orton everything, and launches them somewhere. but since They have DX on the road for the titles I doubt that happens. They should really de-unify the belts, let Legacy win one of them and ship them off to SD. But sicne the WWE isn't about tag team wrerstling I doubt that happens, keeping all the belts on just two guys limits the need for any tag teams to come up, other than just to get a few peopel on camera that most people had forgotten about.
Why is Malina champ again? Not that Jillian can wrestle but it was one of the bests twists the show had had in months and it lasted all of 3 minutes.
Considering we are seeing the same 10 wrestelrs we have seen the past 6 to 8 onths on Raw it didn't seem that horrid. Although I didn't watch all of it as I was switching back and forth. Maybe that is the secret. But I did miss Santino which more than likely was the highlight of the show.
I can't imagine waht will happen next week. More than likely Snoop witha whole posse Jericho comes out and bad mouths him and them and the Show seemingly has his back but as Jericho really starts to let loose Show ducks out of the ring leaving Jericho alone.
But it is the same outline every week. Jericho diatribes to the host. Santino and Hornswoggle share a comedic moment with them. One of the "big" names has a secret meeting or agreememnt with them and we see the same 10 guys wrestle each other like we have since the new year started.
Predictabele lame and boring. But Hornswoggle was pretty funny, but would have been SOOOOOO much better if when the hat came off he had a skullet.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:16 AM
Serioously...did your wife or mother beat you with a TNA DVD case or something? You really love taking cheap shots on a promotion that for two months straight now has been more entertaining and logically booked than your precious RAW. Jealousy is so ugly man.
Posted By: Pat (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:18 AM
sounded like some good matches if they would not have rushed most of them!!!
Posted By: richard (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:24 AM
Ugh what a horrible show. I'd really watch a show booked by Russo than one booked by someone trying to be Russo.
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:38 AM
If you ask me, in my honest opinion, WWE seriously needs to go fuck itself.
Posted By: Cyborg Brian Dennehy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:10 AM
It seems like RAW kind of sucks as of late.
Posted By: Turnquest (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:13 AM
Kinda fell sorry for Jillian.
Greeky got moves.
Posted By: ICON (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:36 AM
Chris Jericho is this generation's Ric Flair.
Posted By: Kip (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:50 AM
Man... I sympathize with you for having a shitty week, but did you really have to take it all out on Raw & TNA?
Posted By: Sapp Daddy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 03:52 AM
This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
How would you know, you didnt watch it, you retard
Posted By: Tard Hunter (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 03:58 AM
WTF happened with the Divas Title?! Ah well, I giess WWE are booking that piece of trash belt like the garbage that it is. Just scrap the Diva division already unless you want to unify the belts and have the talented women work.
Posted By: Guest#6999 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:13 AM
Awful show, this company has become a joke.
Posted By: Mr. Roo (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:23 AM
This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Says it all, really. You didn't watch it, therefore you cannot call for its induction. For the record, I did watch it and it sucked nobs.
Posted By: Bimmy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:25 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha, the Cardinals looooooooooooooooost~
Posted By: Anonguy (Guest) on October 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Very confident considering your precious Dodgers haven't won a pennant since 1988
Posted By: Guest#6512 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:30 AM
So did Mickie violate the "Whaleness" program? ECW here she comes!!!
Posted By: skutar (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 05:09 AM
The Miz vs. Morrison.
WOW.
But hope they make up and become the Unified Tag Team Champs.s
Posted By: who cares (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 05:52 AM
Just scrap the Divas division NOW! Nobody gives a fuck about it. The days of Trish, Lita, even Chyna are long gone. You can literally hear crickets in their matches. Jillian's singing is about the only the they respond to but other than that nothing!
The 'division' has been on life support too long now. Just pull the plug already. Last night's abomination with the two title matches demonstrated just how crap it is - the terrible booking and so-called good workers botching moves left and right.
Posted By: Guest#4547 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 06:54 AM
"...we see the same 10 guys wrestle each other like we have since the new year started."
What draft now?
Posted By: His Bubbliness (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 06:54 AM
surprised I am the first to post this: the guest hosts on Raw this week were SMOKING HOT! wow. They can be in my living room any week!...preferably not on my tv, but, rather, on my...
Posted By: grizzly (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:07 AM
Was actually a passable Raw.
If wwe were clever they'd invest as much time in the Miz as possible. He is the best thing on the show and geniunely someone I could see becoming top heel over the next year. Is he as serious as Orton? No. But does he provoke an intense engaging reaction from audiences.. hell yes. The dude has got IT.
Posted By: Andrew Barbarash (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:08 AM
Would have liked Jillian to get a longer run with the belt than that, rather then just hand it to Melina who plays a very bland face.
Posted By: Richard Liburd (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:25 AM
What the hell did I just read? Sounds like the show was one big cluster fuck! Oh well, at least I don't have to watch it and can delete it off the DVR.
Posted By: IWC Member #23495867 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:32 AM
is there a wwe dogma that states jericho gets treated like a dipshit any time he has a title?
Posted By: jojo (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 08:02 AM
Please, somebody, ANYBODY, for the sake of humanity, just fucking kill Mizanin!!!! I can't stand this useless assbag on TV anymore.
Posted By: chucky (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 08:09 AM
SWEET KNEECAP MUSIC!
Posted By: JustAGuyGuy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 08:25 AM
The only thing I didnt like was when Triple H tried to "save" HBK. Cheesy. But solid matches and the HBK voice message was hilarious. Bourne and Kingston could've had a hell of a match if they would've given them more time.
Posted By: Marcus (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 08:31 AM
Definitely one of the better RAWs this year. Lots of interesting things in the works from problems with Jerishow, Dibiase and Rhodes going out for themselves instead of Orton, and we're getting a Miz/Morisson feud finally!
Posted By: Guest#7584 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 08:38 AM
Orton eats a pin,Cena doesn't..
Why is HHH always making gay jokes? Something tells me if he wasn't banging the boss' daughter he would be hanging out at the Blue Oyster.
Posted By: Propagandhi (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:07 AM
Raw was horrible last night. Too bad the 411 trolls, err, writers will try to pump up anything the WWE does while taking lame shots at at promotion (TNA) whose booking is much, much better at this point.
Posted By: JR (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:11 AM
What happened to "the winners on the card are in the tag match" idea?
Posted By: Guest#3034 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:14 AM
My god, how can you take shots at TNA while watching that show? lol. That show was one of the worst shows I've seen in ever and the first WWE show I've checked out in years... It was like a Disney promotion thats being written as it airs by chimps. Just horrible... Shorter matches, worse matches and worse skits than TNA. I hope Smackdown is better when I try it out again this week...
Posted By: D (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:25 AM
cue the TNAndroids..
Posted By: Guest#1358 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:33 AM
How is TNA more logical when they just book Angle & Foley vs. Morgan & Abyss who spent most of the last year trying to kill each other.
Posted By: BischoffRulz (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:40 AM
Hummm lets see outside of the ladies on this show on SD they do pretty good but the ladies are doing horrible on RAW how was this show bad per say? Lets see they advanced story lines setting up the pvp and future storylines with Legacy and speaking of that Dibiase, Rhodes, Swagger, Kofi, all went over cleanly and they looked good outside of the women on RAW whats that bad?
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Greatest Divas Champ EVER-----JILLIAN HALL!!!!
Posted By: Guest#4180 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM
thanks for the match ratings bro! without them we wouldn't know if the show was good or bad.
also, was i the only one who saw Santino say "I wouldn't do that to you though" to the guest hosts after his diss to the Glamazon?
Posted By: hiro (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM
this show reminds me of 2000 early 2001 wcw nitro
humm......vince mabey its time to shut your doors 4 good
Posted By: dachrisman (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM
this show reminds me of 2000 early 2001 wcw nitro
humm......vince mabey its time to shut your doors 4 good
Posted By: dachrisman (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Wish the diva matches were given more time so they could properly tell a good story and show off their talents.
But as far as Rhodes and Dibiase winning matches, that's as believable as Miz, Rey, Hornswaggle or David Arquette winning a match. It just isn't believable.
Posted By: Comment Board Poster (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:14 AM
The Divas thing wasn't that bad. It was fucking terrible, but nothing will be worse than those ZZ Top segments. I'm still haunted by those.
Posted By: Foolio (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:34 AM
I nominate HBK cardboard cutout for susperstar of the year.
Posted By: (cardboard) (cutout) (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I watched and that show sucked - RAW reminds me more and more of NITRO or even worse THUNDER. This celebrity host stuff is just dumb.
Posted By: Leon (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM
sounds like it was the worst show ever, good thing that I didn't watch it. Whoever the recap guy was is my idol and whatever he tells me I will believe. So dumb to read the recap and determine that the show sucked. btw, a shootingstar press described in writing is not as fun as seeing it actually perfomed in the ring.
Posted By: MattDawson (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
First off besides the hotness of the hosts this show blew. However it didnt blow that bad that I would pledge alliegance to that Highly Produced Flea Market Promotion TNA. A bunch of guys cast aside or that have grudges with Vince doesnt make the league any better. Even their fans are crybabies who Vince has wronged. Get over it. Tna will never succeed they dont have WCW's money. WWF/WWE has owned wrestling and fans of wrestling forever.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Does it kill you guys to know that no matter how bad Raw is, its still a much bigger show than Impact and Roh ? SORRY....Mcmahon has destroyed all of the other promotions and could buy and sell T.N.A. and RoH with the change in his couch cushions. Vince and company just dont care what a group of 14 year old basement dwellers say about The E. So drink up your mountain Dew and choke down some more cheetos and get over yourselves
Posted By: old school fan (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM
How is TNA more logical when they just book Angle & Foley vs. Morgan & Abyss who spent most of the last year trying to kill each other.
Posted By: BischoffRulz (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 09:40 AM
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Did you actually WATCH imPact or just read the results because they pretty much acknowledged ALL of that on the show.... but even if they didn't, its no different than HHH and HBK being in DX against after they're previous fueds, or HHH saying that Shawn "dropped the ball" after WM14 but now they're best buds...dumb shit happens in wrestling...
Posted By: Industy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM
If you watch that Divas match, you can tell that Mickie James is upset right before the bell rings. Her entrance is fine, but right before the bell rings, she looks very distressed about something, and then right before the lockup, she gives Jillian a brief fake half smile/smirk and they go into the lockup. There has to be more story to this situation with Mickie and the rest of the Divas.
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:36 PM
why do people keep saying MNFootball is competing with RAW every game has been over before 9 oclock (when RAW starts were i live).
Posted By: james T. (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I don't get to see the shows anymore, but anytime someone uses the word "Organism" instead of the word "orgasm"...well, that just wins. Hard. Winsauce poured all over Awesomebread.
Posted By: Frank (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:03 PM
My thoughts are that last night was one of the worst in a long time.
The guest host celebs are hardcore fail. Except for maybe Barker, Prinze Jr. and Big Ben, the hosts ALL FAIL. it's so obvious that they just bring in a celeb to showcase whatever garbage that celeb is doing. Stuff like Cedric the Entertainer is killing RAW.
Do people like Hornswoggle for sympathy only? Why is he on payroll? I know him and Chavo will be released by the end of the year, but I want him off TV NOW. He has no business in this business.
The divas. SIGH. Huge sigh. This is bad. Sure the Divas title is a throwaway belt, but this is a throwaway division.
I hated when the brands split. I hate it now. I know a lot of people like it to "push new talent" but look at Evan Bourne. The split should benefit him and he's still squashed. End the brand split PLEEZE.
Please unify both brands, have one world title, one tag title, and one midcard title. That is all they need. WWE does not have sufficient roster talent nor size to have all their championships.
It's really devaluing the championships by having so many.
And it doesn't help that the WWE title is a hot potato changing hands every two weeks. Where is the credibility? Since Cena most likely will win (or leave RAW thank god) wouldn't it have made more sense to keep the title on Orton this whole time and then have Cena win it?
Sure there were bright spots last night (Miz and Morrison is win. Santino is a hoot) but they are too few and far between. I almost feel like RAW has so few superstars they fill up over an hour of TV time with nonsense and garbage.
Posted By: BGC (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Dolphins/Jets game > Raw
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 01:02 AM
I'll go you two better:
Watching paint dry > Raw
WCW 2000 > WWE 2009
Posted By: Guest#0682 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:31 PM
If you watch that Divas match, you can tell that Mickie James is upset right before the bell rings. Her entrance is fine, but right before the bell rings, she looks very distressed about something, and then right before the lockup, she gives Jillian a brief fake half smile/smirk and they go into the lockup. There has to be more story to this situation with Mickie and the rest of the Divas.
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Maybe the other divas are getting sick and tired of Richmond's resident slut acting like she is so superior to everbody else on the roster. Mickie, you are fat, ugly, and wore out your welcome about three years ago.
Posted By: Guest#4464 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 02:36 PM
Come on, the Diva match, albeit short wasn't a dud. Mickie got hit with a HUGH Power Bomb out of the corner AND Jillian put her feet on the ropes. Nothing wrong with that. Shit happens.
Wish Jillian could have held onto title a lil bit longer, she can actually wrestle, and people HATE her gimmick, she is SO OVER its funny. At least in the 2nd match her and Melina didn't just say screw it with the botched finish and go with the pin. The Last call is a better pin anyway, but few divas can take it, like Jillian did.
They are not the male wrestlers, but give them a break, it wasn't that bad.
Beth Phoenix would crush ANY Female wrestler on ANY SHOT, include the overrated TNA Knockouts.
Posted By: DIVASROCK (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 03:47 PM
Raw was not bad at all last night. First off, the guests hosts were good and it seemed like they're roles as tv hosts/correspondents helped them be comfortable and deliver they're lines well. I was really ticked when they through Maria Menounos (sp?) in the match but she did very good considering she's NOT a wrestler. My only complaint with the show would be that the matches were too short. But there was a lot of interesting last night. I hope Legacy doesn't end just yet and neither Show/Jericho...especially not Show/Jericho. I love seeing the mouthy Jericho hide behind Show. Jericho's facial expression was priceless when HHH made reference to SD! having a little troll that runs his mouth!
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 03:56 PM
I was in the second row for this one. The two divas matches weren't great, but it totally caught me off guard. My friend and I figured it would be just another routine title defense for Mickie James. Boy were we wrong. It was nice to see something different, and that segment was far from being one of the worst of the year. Shame on you for saying that Rob McNew. The whole show was different than what has been on Raw for the past several months. It was a breath of fresh air in my opinion. Maria Menounos was surprisingly pretty decent in the ring for her lack of experience. She had the best in-ring performance of any guest host so far.
Posted By: Andis (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:06 PM
You know it's been said that no Divas can get a reaction. BUT let Jillian sing, and the fans will boo. That's cheap heat and it's effective. She might have a lame gimmick but it works. She's just sucky in the ring.
Posted By: Guest#7070 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:27 PM
I can't even call myself a fan anymore.
Posted By: really (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:37 PM
Wasn't a good show, but definately nothing to write home about.. I was still a little on the convinced side that wasn't Hornswoggle, but rather Sean Waltman in a blonde wig attempting to duck the wellness policy.
Posted By: Fallen_Angel (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:38 PM
You know it's been said that no Divas can get a reaction. BUT let Jillian sing, and the fans will boo. That's cheap heat and it's effective. She might have a lame gimmick but it works. She's just sucky in the ring.
Posted By: Guest#7070 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:27 PM
Well, she's certainly more over than Melina. Could the crowd have cared any less for her? Especially when she went through that embarassing dance routine when she got in the ring. She is neck and neck with Mickie for most overpushed diva. I know everybody is going to say McCool, but the only diffrence is her push from hell just started recently. Melina and Mickie have been overpushed for the past few years. They are also neck and neck for biggest horseface in the company. I think Melina is uglier, but Mickie looks cheaper. Call it a draw.
Posted By: Guest#0497 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:57 PM
Did you actually WATCH imPact or just read the results because they pretty much acknowledged ALL of that on the show.... but even if they didn't, its no different than HHH and HBK being in DX against after they're previous fueds, or HHH saying that Shawn "dropped the ball" after WM14 but now they're best buds...dumb shit happens in wrestling...
Posted By: Industy (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM
DX reformed years after they fought each other not weeks there's a big difference between the two cases
Posted By: BischoffRulz (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 04:59 PM
how can you all even watch this shit anymore...HHH makes orton and legacy look like shit for a good part of a year and constantly beats them 2 on 1 and then cena loses to orton and legacy cleanly in consecutive shows and you trained dumbass fans keep booing cena cause its the cool thing to do...meanwhile you cheer HHH and hate on orton when hes fighting the great one hhh...god even jericho show and the whole resurging tag division is just being built for HHH to get another victory while he waits for his next world title reign...and definately keep HBKs return from leading to a championship run...KEEP BOOING CENA AND CHEERING HHH MUTS...MUSH MUSH
Posted By: b (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 05:04 PM
"Does it kill you guys to know that no matter how bad Raw is, its still a much bigger show than Impact and Roh ? SORRY....Mcmahon has destroyed all of the other promotions and could buy and sell T.N.A. and RoH with the change in his couch cushions. Vince and company just dont care what a group of 14 year old basement dwellers say about The E. So drink up your mountain Dew and choke down some more cheetos and get over yourselves"
Bigger != Better
I don't get it. You don't work for the WWE. They show their contempt for their audience regardless of age with the lackluster effort they put in their own product. And yet there are people who constantly feel the need to defend them at all costs. I haven't watched much ROH and TNA tends to be very inconsistent, but I wish there were more promotions around to watch on TV. NOAH, Chikara, PWG, all that are nice but it sucks that more people won't get to know about them because they don't have a tv deal. At least ten years ago you could turn to ECW or WCW (not to mention AAA if you had Galavision) if you didn't like the WWF.
For the record, Raw has been generally shitty since the brand split in 2002 and I do not know why it took the supposedly smart Internet fans so long to realize that Smackdown was generally the better show.
Posted By: RealityCheck (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 05:24 PM
'This show might as well go into the wrestling Hall of Shame. So glad I didn't watch it.'
wow, do you base all your opinions on things people tell you, or do you actually try and form your own once in a while?
good to see you know so definitively the quality of anyting without actually experiencing it, but what the hell? the world already knows that americans are lazy. this just proves it.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Registered) on October 13, 2009 at 05:41 PM
I almost cried when Miz busted out "greatest tag team of the 21st century" without whipping his head up to stare into the distance.
Posted By: The Glide (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 06:41 PM
wwe needs to seriously consider putting a luchdore mask on melina
she looks like the latino girl version of rocky dennis from MASK
Posted By: Guest#1051 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:01 PM
So, uh, I was at my friends house with 3 non wrestling people. they know i watch, and mondays i leave around830 to 'watch my shows'
lst night they insisted we watch it there, that it was ok.
man, i slinked outta there around the top of hour one. terrible night to try explaining booking and kayfabe logistics.
Posted By: 16s (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:19 PM
"For the record, Raw has been generally shitty since the brand split in 2002 and I do not know why it took the supposedly smart Internet fans so long to realize that Smackdown was generally the better show."
Your right, Hardcore Holly and Brock Lesnar feuds are where its at.
Posted By: Guest#3248 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:59 PM
SOMEBODY'S nitpicky!
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM
"Your right, Hardcore Holly and Brock Lesnar feuds are where its at.
Posted By: Guest#3248 (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 07:59 PM"
That was still better than watching HHH bury the entire mid-card every week.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on October 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
At least Hunter didn't perform the Finger Poke of Doom on Big Show.
Cuz, y'know, when you are with the bosses daughter, you have enough clout to do those things.
I just want to say, Vince claims he has such a "classy and sophisticated" company. Yet on his flagship promotion he relies on cheesy comedy involving cutouts and midgets. I wouldn't be surprised if they start relying on penis and fart jokes.
Posted By: BGC (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 09:02 AM
"This entire thing was quite possibly the worst segment of the year.-***)"
So what does it take to get two stars? Katie Vick?
Posted By: What? (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
It was actually a pretty enjoyable show if you're not an impossible-to-please internet twat.
Posted By: MDK (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
"This entire thing was quite possibly the worst segment of the year.-***)"
So what does it take to get two stars? Katie Vick?
Posted By: What? (Guest) on October 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
That was negative 3.
Katie Vick wasn't a match, but if it were that would probably be the reverse monty.
Posted By: Robbymac (Registered) on October 14, 2009 at 07:44 PM