411's TNA Turning Point Report 11.15.09
Posted by Chris Lansdell on 11.15.2009
AJ Styles retained the World Title defeating Samoa Joe and Daniels in a MOTY candidate! Elsewhere, Kurt Angle defeated Desmond Wolfe in another MOTY candidate, Amazing Red retained the X-Division Title, The British Invasion retained the Tag Team Titles and much more! Check out 411’s complete TNA Turing Point report for all the details!
Hey yo. This is one heck of a crazy card with 3 matches that could be MOTY contenders, so let's not waste time with witticismd. Bring it ON!
We open with – what else? - Hulk Hogan clips, tied into the video montage we always get.
Oh good, we're getting the finger-burner out of the way early. Don West is out with Red and he has slotted into this manager position perfectly.
Homicide gets kicked in the gu but catches Red coming off the ropes with a clothesline. Red gets an arm drag and a dropkick and Homicide bails. Red vaults over the top but lands on the apron, then hits a rana from the apron to the floor. Back inside and a crossbody gets two. Homicide lands on his feet from a monkey flip and turns Red inside out with a clothesline. Homicide bites Red and tries a back suplex, Red gets out the back and hits some leg kicks and a basement clothesline for 2. Up top goes Red, Homicide moves but Red rolls through. Tilt-a-whirl backbreaker by Homicide slows us down again. Flying back elbow by Homicide who then kneels on the throat of the champion. Inverted atomic drop by Homicide followed by a neckbreaker for 2. Homicide takes time to bitch to the ref and Red connects with a wild haymaker. Homicide returns the favour with somewhat greater effect. Toehold-armbar applied by Homicide, he releases the hold and claims he won because Red tapped. I didn't see a tap and neither did the ref. More biting by the Notorious 187. He perches Red on the top and headbutts him, Red manages to push him off and comes off the top with an arm drag. Dropkick and a spinning DDT by Red gets 2. Jumping Flatliner off the second rope gets 2 more. Leg kicks again by Red, Homicide catches the third and hits a dragon whip followed by the Bronx Bomber 27 (Michinoku Driver) for 2. Homicide sets for the Gringo Killa but Ref gets out the back, Homicide gets a double leg and catapults him into the corner. Red gets a takedown and a standing SSP! 1...2...no! Red to the top, moonsaults press...MISSES! Homicide spiked him on the way down with a cutter!!! 1...2...no! Sweet counter. Homicide again perches Red on top and tries a top rope rana...blocked! CODE RED! 1...2...3!
Winner: Amazing Red via pinfall (Code Red) Rating: ***Not the high-energy X-Division opener that we're used to, but decent. Felt a little disjointed and Homicide seemed a step off his game, but it was still a good match.
I love you cameraman. Taylor and Sky to start. Taylor gets a knockdown on Sky and tags in Sarita for a quick wishbone. Sarita tags in ODB who hits a muff dive headbutt on Sky. Sky manages to get a tag to Rayne who lays in some shuolders in the corner before ODB nails her with a clothesline. Tag back to Sarita who gets a couple of quick pins for 2. Hammerlock, arm drag and an elbow by Sarita who then tags in Wilde. She runs up the ropes and connects with an arm drag but Lacey comes in illegally and levels Wilde with a clothesline. 2 count for Rayne. Neckbreaker gets 2 more. Tag to Sky and they hit a double Russian leg sweep for 2. Mounted punches by Sky and another 2 count. Basement dropkick by Sky and a tag to Lacey who beats on Wilde and gets a 2 count. Tag to Sky again who applies an Octopus!!! Wilde escapes and connects with a kick to the face...HOT TAG! ODB and Rayne in, and ODB has clotheslines for Sky and Rayne. Fallaway slam to Skygets 2 before Lacey breaks it up. Sarita and Taylor are in and we have all 6 women involved. Rayne and Lacey clear out Las Luchas, leaving ODB and three. ODB kicks a charging Rayne, takes out Sky and Lacey and CONNECTS with the TKO on Rayne! 1...2...3!
Winners: Las Luchas and ODB via pinfall (ODB on Rayne, TKO) Rating: **¼That was OK I guess. Weird stip if you're not going to move the titles.
Desmond Wolfe cuts a standard yet quality promo on Kurt Angle.
Match of the Night? Could be. Beer Money are out with Boozer Cruiser to a huge pop. The Guns appear to be wearing kevlar vests. Naturally. The Brits are oozing confidence and awesome tonight, it's great what TNA have done with Williams and Magnus.
Storm attacks the Brits on the bell, Magnus is left in the ring and eats a couple of clotheslines. Tag to Roode, Magnus flees and tags in Shelley. Roode takes him down with a shoulder but Shelley gets a drop toehold and a deep armdrag before getting caught in a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker. They go to a chop exchange, Roode goes off the ropes but Shelley is a step ahead and trips hiom, then takes him to the floor. He holds Roode in place and Sabin kicks him hard. Back inside, Sabin tags in and gets a 2 count. Roode ducks a clothesline and hits a flying forearm but Doug Williams has tagged himself in. Williams and Sabin run the ropes but it ends in a stiff kick to the chest of a seated Williams. The Guns work a double team kick on Williams and then again on Magnus. Tag to Shelley and he hits a quick leg drop for 2. Tag to Sabin who leapfrogs over his partner onto the arm of Williams. Magnus trips up Sabin, allowing Williams to catch a good European uppercut and to tag in Magnus. Shots by Magnus and he tags Williams back in, they hit the double-team necktie drop for 2. Sabin catches a charging Williams with an enziguiri and James Storm tags himself in, sending Sabin out. Storm with a flurry ending in a flying knee for 2. Roode in, double suplex!
BEER! MONEY~!
They hang Williams in the tree of woe and whip Magnus into him, then the Guns drag the crotch of Magnus into the head of Williams. The Guns and Beer Money take turns with charging attacks on Magnus, ending with the neckbreaker-frog splash combo on Magnus. 1...2...Williams breaks it! Dropkick sends Williams to the floor, Sabin vaults onto him as Shelley sets for the Sliced Bread...countered! Yakuza/German combo by the Brits! Beer Money tag in and run wildwith double teams and are firmly in control. Eric Young is out! He yanks Storm off the apron! The ref evicts him as Roode gets beaten down. Young leaves reluctantly but NASH IS HERE! He steals the Legends belt from Young while Storm threatens EY...Nash nails Storm with the belt! In the ring the Brits hit the European uppercut Hart Attack! 1...2...3!
Winners: British Invasion via pinfall (Magnus on Roode, European Hart Attack) Rating: ***¼Nowhere near as good as it should have been. Beer Money and the Guns did their part and the Brits were fine, but it was short and filled with run-ins. Also, the Guns were taken out way before the finish and never seen again. With these six guys in the match, I expected this to be around the four-flake level.
JB is with Nash and he wants answers. Nash makes a momma joke and says what he did was to do with Hulk. Hulk knows, Hulk's in on this, and they will find out on Thursday if Hulk says it's OK. Clearly not Hulk HOGAN. I mean, when did HE sign with TNA?
Six Sides Of Steel: Tara vs. Awesome Kong
Ladies and gentlemen! At this time I would like to remind you, as per my contractual obligations, that Kong kills bitches dead.
It's a slugfest off the hop. Tara wins the early strike exchange, she comes off the ropes and tries a sunset flip but moves before Kong sits on her. Up against the cage and Tara ducks the BACKFIST! Kong connects with the cage so Tara attacks the arm and tries to escape. Kong catches her and hits the electric chair. Kong climbs and reaches the top before Tara catches her and drops her on the top turnbuckle. Tara goes up with her but gets pushed off. HOLY FUCKING FUCKERY OF FUCKTASTIC FUCKS! MISSILE DROPKONG! 1...2...no! Mother of mercy. Kong takes Tara to the cage, wedges her between the ropes and the cage wall and hits an avalanche! That won't tickle. Kong grabs the legs of Tara and hits a giant swing into the cage! More cage beatings, then Kong picks Tara up for a suplex, smashing her into the cage then dropping her on her face. She tries it again but Tara counters with a DDT! Tara counters an Implant Buster attempt and tags Kong with some rights, then takes Kong to the cage! Superkick by Tara and a dropkick to the gut takes Kong down. Standing moonsault gets 2. For Tara of course. If Kong does a standing moonsault I may well die. Tara tries to escape but Kong meets her on the top rope. They fight it out and both women get crotched, where they continue to exchange shots. Kong kicks Tara down and tries to escape but Tara comes over and HITS A POWERBOMB PULLING KONG OFF THE TOP!!!! 1...2...no! Tara climbs the cage now and Kong is not moving! Tara stops on the top of the cage...Dear God she wouldn't! THESZ PRESS OFF THE CAGE!!! 1...2...3!!!
Winner: Tara via pinfall (Crossbody off the cage) Rating: ***½Wow. Two amazing spots in this match, but not enough around them to make it any better than "good". It's a tough one to rate because you don't want to be branded sexist by giving the match a better rating due to the spots pulled off by two women, but at the same time they did stuff that women in the Big Two hardly ever do. I originally had this at ***, but it does warrant more on reflection.
Oh for fuck's sakes they're talking about change again. Oh look, Hogan clips. They JUST FUCKING SHOWED this montage less than an hour ago.
Street Fight: Rhino and Team 3D vs. Matt Morgan, Hernandez and Pope D'Angelo Dinero
According to Dixie Carter, Dinero signed a long-term deal today. He's also been getting great reactions at house shows.
Hernandez and Devon to start. Hernandez argues with Pope which allows Devon to attack from behind amd maintain control with right hands. A whip is reversed and Hernandez takes down Devon with a shoulder tackle. Pope tags himself in and hits a kick combo and a flying forearm for 2. Devon gets some separation and tags in Ray, who tears up Dinero's fake money and shoves him down. Pope is pissed and shoots a double-leg before nailing some stiff shots. Ray bails to the floor to recoup. Back inside, Ray connects with a knee to the back and some jabs but Pope ducks under the elbow and hits some of his own before hitting the Boss Man attack! Ray ducks under a clothesline and connects ith the Bubba Bomb! Rhino tags in now and charges into a back elbow from Pope. Moran tags in and gets peppered with shots from Rhino, but Morgan shrugs them off and shoulders him down. Big right hand by Morgan but he misses the charge in the corner. Spear in the corner by Rhino but Morgan connects with a discus clothesline for 2. Team 3D break it up and we have a brawl. Pope pushes Hernandez out of the way and eats a shoulder block! Pope and Devon end up in the ring and Devon takes control. He tags in Rhino who goes to work with right hands and a choke. Snap mare and a kick to the spine by Rhino, and a tag to Ray who locks in a bear hug. Big back body drop by Ray on Pope, he tags in Devon who hits a scoop slam. Running splash for 2 by Devon. He locks in a chinlock, Pope punches free and gets a schoolboy for 2 before getting his clock cleaned. Tag to Rhino who comes in with right hands for 2. Rhino throws Pope to the floor, back inside and Rhino slams him and tags in Ray. Ray to the top...MISSES the senton! TAG to Morgan! Clotheslines galore for Rhino! Morgan removes the elbow pads and there go the elbow strikes! Avalanche! Side slam! 1...2...no. Devon breaks it up but gets a clothesline from Morgan for his trouble. Tag to Hernandez who comes in with a slingshot double clothesline. Rhino and 3D have fled to the floor, here comes Super MEX! Flying crossbody to the floor! He throws Rhino in...top rope splash! 1...2...NO! Ray attacks from behind and gets a scoop slam on Morgan, Devon goes up top but is stopped by Hernandez! Pope powerbombs Rhino off the top! Hernandez with the cover! 1...2...no! Ray trips Pope and crotches him on the post. Hernandez has Rhino up for the Border Toss but Devon has a chair! TO THE RIBS! Gore. Gore! GORE~! 1...2...3!
Winners: Team 3D and Rhinno via pinfall (Rhino on Hernandez, Gore) Rating: **3/4Couldn't really get into this, felt like it was just thrown on to make up numbers.
Steiner cuts a promo talking about Kristal wanting him and Lashley being all muscle and no go. Recap of the Lashley-Steiner angle
Falls Count Anywhere - Bobby Lashley vs. Scott Steiner
Lashley wastes no time and attacks with a steel chair on the outside. Lashley throws Steiner inside amd lays in shots in the corner. Corner clothesline and a corner shoulder by Lashley followed by a suplex for 2. Nice spinebuster connects, T-bone suplex gets 2. Back outside, Steiner gains control with 2 low blows and gets a 2 count. Whip to the rail by Steiner, he fecthes a chair and wraps it around Lashley's back. Back inside and Steiner hits the belly to belly for 2. A pair of overhead belly to belly suplexes gets 2. Steiner puts Lashley on the top rope and goes up with him! Frankensteinr from the top! 1...2...no! That looked bad, Steiner landed awkwardly. He seems fine though as he slams Lashley and climbs the ropes, Lashley has recovered and military presses Steiner to the outside via the rope rope! Lashley drives Steiner into the announce table and beats him down, another chair shot by Lashley. They wander off into the backstage areaand the camera guys have lost them. We catch up with them in time to see Lashley smack Steiner with a garbage can. They are in catering and Lashley sees tables. Suplex through a table!! 1...2...no! Lashley has a 2x4 and waffles Steiner with it. Steiner is standing in some sort of crate, Lashley charges...and misses! Steiner goes scavenging and finds some power cord which he wraps around Lasley's neck. He relinquishes the hold and covers for 2. Steiner heads back to the arena with Lashley chasing, Steiner ambushes him with a lead pipe to the head! 1...2...3!
Winner: Scott Steiner via pinfall (pipe shot) Rating: **½Nothing special to see here. Move along. Better than I thought, but then with these two it didn't have to do much to earn that distinction.
Angle says he is the biggest badass in the yard and tells Wolfe he doesn't need to know him to beat him.
Kurt Angle vs. Desmond Wolfe
I'm looking forward to this, if only to see if they have the balls to put Wolfe over here.
Angle gets a hammerlock, Wolfe rolls through it and gets a top wristlock. Angle gets a hip toss and a pair of arm drags and then locks in a wristlock of his own. Wolfe turns it into a hammerlock then applies a short arm scissors. Arm wringer reversed by Angle and they go to the ropes where Wolfe takes Angle down. Wolfe goes back to work on the arm of Angle but gets caught with an Angle boot on the charge. Suplez by Angle gets 2, a backbraker gets another 2. Shoulders in the corner by Angle now, a whip and Angle charges and gets nothing but post with his shoulder. Hammerlock osotogari by Wolfe followed by a wristlock Northern Lights. Everything on the arm, great old-school psychology. Back body drop by Wolfe turned into a sunset flip, Wolfe turns and slams the arm into the mat instead. Modified Rings of Saturn applied, Angle counters to the Ankle Lock! Wolfe kicks him off and hits a European followed by a running corner European. He tries the running start again but Angle catches him with a belly to belly! Trifects of clotheslines by Angle and a flying forearm get 2. Angle ducks the lariat and hits a German, holds on and hits FIVE MORE! Down go the straps...Angle Slam countered! LARIAT! 1...2...2.9006! Wolfe nailed that. Angle is placed on the top, Tower of London...countered! ANGLE SLAM! 1...2...NO! Wolfe goes back to the arm and applies the London Dungeon! Angle rolls through it!! ANKLE LOCK! Now Wolfe rolls through! Figure four armbar!!! ANGLEROLLS AGAIN! Ankle lock!! Wolfe fights for the ropes but Angle pulls him back! Wolfe fights and fights...and makes the ropes! Angle Slam agaCOUNTER! DDT! What else can Wolfe pull out? Sets for the Tower of London again...BAM! Got him. 1...2...2.913! Lariat time...Angle meets him with one of his own! Moonsault MISSES BY ANGLE! LONDON DUNGEON! Centre of the ring! Angle crawls backwards instead and makes the ropes. A third Tower attempt, Kurt blocks so Wolfe with the double throat thrust. Wolfe goes up for a superplex, Angle pushes him off! FROG SPLASH! 1...2...NO!!!!Angle tries a Tombston, Wolfe is kicking! Kicking! COUNTERED! Angle rolls into the leg and picks the ankle! Wolfe counters but Angle holds on! TRANSITION! Cross armbreaker! Angle shifts the legs to add in a triangle choke! Wolfe taps!!!
Winner: Kurt Angle via submission (Side triangle-armbar combo) Rating: ****¼As Orlando said, that was wrestling. Wolfe hung with Angle, and Angle worked a style that suited what Wofle was used to from RoH. The action made sense and flowed well. Tremendous match.
JB is with Joe. Joe says he brought the truth to the forefront, suggesting that Daniels and AJ had always had issues.
We have Japan-style streamers for the intros. Must be some RoH fans here. Of note, the 2 top matches on the card feature 4 RoH alums.
The three men face off and Daniels gets a jab on Styles. Joe attacks Daniels and AJ then takes both men down. Whip to Joe and a leaping clothesline in the corner. He levels Daniels with a right but Joe hits a whiop, charging back elbow and an enziguiri. Snap mare by Joe to AJ, chop and an enziguiri. Daniels knocks Joe to the floor and tries to leap onto him but AJ catches him and gets a quick two. AJ gets a dropkick on Daniels and one to Joe, sending Joe to the floor. Headlock takedown by AJ on Daniels. Daniels pushes AJ off and hits a flatliner, but Joe comes in and peppers Daniels with jabs. Flying knee strike to Daniels gets. Leg kicks to Daniels by Joe who rolls into a leg bar, AJ breaks it with the knee drop and gets a 1 count on Joe. AJ suplexes Joe then catches Daniels coming back into the ring. He goes back to Joe and locks in the inverted Indian Deathlock. Daniels breaks it with a shot to the midsection of AJ, gets a drop toehold and drops the knee on the neck of AJ. Daniels dropkicks the knee of Joe as he comes in, then slams AJ onto Joe. Oh WOW! Daniels locks in a Boston Crab on AJ and a camel clutch on Joe...AT THE SAME TIME. Joe bits the fingers of Daniels to break the hold. Daniels charges AJ in the corner with a foreram, he tries to do the same to Joe gut gets caught with a uranage. FACEWASH! One for AJ! Back to Daniels! Snap mare, chop, kick to Daniels, dropkick to AJ which causes Joe to land on Daniels with a senton. Joe measures and charges for a tope onto AJ but AJ kicks him in the head! AJ back inside now and goes after Daniels with forearms, Daniels blocks a whip with a forearm of his own but gets suplexed anyway by AJ. AJ vaults over the top but lands on the apron as Joe moves, Joe kicks out AJ's leg and he crashes to the apron! TOPE BY DANIELS! Daniels goes for the Asai...AJ CATCHES HIM from inside the ring!!! Joe pulls Daniels off the ropes AJ WITH A FLYING KEVIN VON ERICH crossbody over the top to the outside!!! Back inside, Aj avoids a charging Daniels who runs into Joe. AJ jumps off the back of Daniels into Joe then hits a springboard rana to Daniels for 2! Daniels sandwiches Joe and AJ in the corner, he tries a monkey flip on AJ but JOE CATCHES HIM! Powerbomb into Daniels! Joe holds on and powerbombs AJ again! 1...2...Boston crab by Joe! Transitioned to the crossface! AJ reaches the ropes, Joe takes down Daniels then hits the snap powerslam on AJ for 2. BIG boot to Daniels. Daniels manages to get a dragon sleeper on Joe, then catches AJ in uranage position, and hits a reverse DDT on Joe while slamming AJ onto him with the uranage! DVD to AJ! 1...2...no! AJ counters a suplex attempt into a neckbreaker on Daniels. "Screw Hulk Hogan" - Orlando. Not the first time they've said that tonight. Joe is back in, series of palm strikes and a head kick to AJ, Daniels returns the favour to Joe. Forerams to AJ by Daniels but the champ comes back with some shots and PELE! Slingshot senton to Joe by AJ flows smoothly into the discus clothesline to Daniels. SPRINGBOARD FLYING FOREARM to Joe got CRAZY height! 1...2...no! Rana to Joe! 1...2...2.877! Moonsault reverse DDT to Joe gets 2 more. He tries it to Daniels who counters with a snap mare...LAST RITES! 1...2...2.903! GERMAN by Daniels on Joe! Daniels charges Joe but Joe crotches him, muscle buster! 1...2...AJ breaks it! "This is wrestling!" - Orlando. Yes, yes it is. Joe grans a body scissors and rolls AJ around the ring before getting a 2 count. AJ goes for the Styles Clash but Daniels clobbers him with the enziguiri. Last Rites countered, AJ tries Angel's Wings and it's countered, Daniels goes for the Styles Clash and IT gets countered! Joe just kicks AJ to break up the exchange, then AJ and Daniels hit a hi-low to take out Joe. Daniels and AJ fight over a superplex to the floor but they don't see Joe! HUGE chop to AJ sends him to the floor! Daniels escapes a muscle buster and hits the STO! Best! Moonsault! Ever! 1...AJ SPRINGBOARD 450!!! 1...2...3!!!
Winner: AJ Styles via pinfall (on Joe, springboard 450 splash) Rating: *****Holy mother of Moses. You know, for a match that was really a series of each guy's best spots, this flowed perfectly and never felt spotty. Near falls, counters, no botches, everything made sense... Full boat. And I NEVER do that.
As expected, the two main events will get over-rated. Good matches, but settle down there.
Posted By: TYPICAL (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM
I thought nothing could top HBK vs. Taker. Then I saw Wolfe vs. Angle. Then I saw AJ vs. Joe vs. Daniels. MOTY for sure.
Posted By: Guest#5867 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM
-I would've actually given Wolfe/Angle ****1/2-****3/4, but otherwhys what a fucking show
Posted By: bob (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Man that sounded like an awesome show
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM
It's amazing how this PPV jumped from average to epic within the last hour. Angle/Wolfe was awesome and Joe/Styles/Daniels was once again magic.
Posted By: Guest#7609 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Steiner over Lashley. Check.
Tara over Kong. Check.
ECW heels over youngens. Check.
Angle over Wolfe. Check.
Oh Dixie? Where Are You, Brother?
Posted By: Youth Movement (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Yawn. Worst PPV of the year. Both WWE and TNA need to step up their games.
Posted By: Steve Isaacs (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
THIS PPV WAS EXCELLENT.
TNA is doing a GREAT job right now. GREAT job.
Posted By: Guest#9909 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Angle/Desmond was a 5 star match imo. That was a mat classic where each man shined and showed off being great technical wrestlers.
Posted By: Do What Now? (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM
HELL YEAH FULL BOAT BABY!!!!
Posted By: Guest#6244 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM
They really have to move out of the iMAPCT Zone. Just drooling over everything that is done. Same fans there every show, paying zero dollars and zero cents.
It is fine you have a loyal fanbase and all, but make money off the show, like charging them? About the same as everyone commenting on here, spent money on the show, right? Right?
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Before tonight, BFG was the best wrestling ppv of the year. Now it's #2. WOW!
Posted By: pic369 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM
This PPV was horseshit.
Posted By: Will Franklin (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM
This proves it
WWE > TNA
Posted By: Vance McNaler (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM
3 things on this 'good show'.
1.SCREW HULK HOGAN may be the best chant ever created, look out Hulkster!
2. Did we really need that Nash swerve in the show? Really? RUSSO?
3. Zero chance HBK/Taker is beaten out for match of the year. Sorry- it just isn't. Happened on the grandest stage in all of the business, lived up to much more hype than AJ/Joe/Daniels, and it happened in the WWE between two legends. Case closed. Sorry again, just the way it works.
Posted By: Lorenzo (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM
great show
Posted By: christy (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Wow, a 5-star match on a TNA PPV? I don't think TNA has seen 5 stars in an entire pay per view in a long time.
Posted By: MDomino (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Angle/Desmond was a 5 star match imo. That was a mat classic where each man shined and showed off being great technical wrestlers.
Posted By: Do What Now? (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I think in front of a ROH show where they would have been more familiar with Desmond's big moves that way they could have been more into the moves.
Than it could have had a shot at 5-stars
Posted By: random (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM
The two main events saved the show in a big way. It was going downhill fast before Angle and Wolfe got in there. Great wrestling match. Angle had to do something that Wolfe wouldn't expect, so he did the triangle choke. Great storytelling. And the triple threat was great, though I still prefer the original.
Posted By: Kevin Edwards (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM
How, if TNA wants to survive, can they afford to put on crap PPVs like this one?
Posted By: Jack Moses (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM
OH MY GOD.
That was the best pair of matches, back to back, that maybe I have EVER seen.
AMAZING, TNA.
Bravo!
Posted By: ... (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Yawn. Worst PPV of the year. Both WWE and TNA need to step up their games.
Posted By: Steve Isaacs (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
What are you on, and tell the world where they can get some
Posted By: random (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM
It is events like this that make me think TNA can hit the road and draw nice big PAYING crowd....(looks at 411 main page TNA house show results)
Or not.
Posted By: Billy Jack (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Hogan saved TNA!!!!
Posted By: the danger stranger (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM
RIP TNA 2002 - 2010
Posted By: Craig Stone (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM
the next PPV will look like this
Neidhart Vs Beefcake
Posted By: nWoMikey (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM
For shame Landsell, you have Styles/Daniels/Joe Rated HIGHER then Davey Richards/Shingo AND Danielson/Doi??
BOO-URNS to you sir!
Posted By: Guest#2203 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM
When I get to TNA, its this type of crap I will do away with.
Posted By: Hulk Hogan (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Winner: AJ Styles via pinfall (on Joe, springboard 450 splash)
Rating: ***** Holy mother of Moses. You know, for a match that was really a series of each guy's best spots, this flowed perfectly and never felt spotty. Near falls, counters, no botches, everything made sense... Full boat. And I NEVER do that.
Are you even remotely serious??? To put this in the same category as HBK/Undertaker is a travesty. I agree with TYPICAL. No way that match was 5 stars! ****1/2 maybe.
Posted By: Seriously? (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM
wow 5 stars? i gotta check this out
Posted By: Guest#3105 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM
I honestly think it is WAY more impressive to have a ***** match on a regular PPV because, most WWE PPV other than Wrestlemania, the wrestlers seem to just go through the motions.
So if AJ/Joe/Daniels get a five star on a November PPV, hell, MOTY...
I loved Michaels/Taker as much as the next guy, but this match was BETTER. Plan and simple.
It's called match of the year, not who wrestled on the grandest stage.
Screw Flanders
Posted By: Guest#8440 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Horrible show. Could have been better but honestly I would rather watch 3 hours of Tyler Reks eating cherrios than watching this PPV
Posted By: Brad Sebrew (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM
So, Kurt Angle has been knocked out by a lariat, but he cannot be pinned for 3 measly seconds with the same move?
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Yawn. Worst PPV of the year. Both WWE and TNA need to step up their games.
Posted By: Steve Isaacs (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
What are you on, and tell the world where they can get some
Posted By: random (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM
calm down, hes probably saying that to spark some shit up
Posted By: Guest#3949 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Match of the night: 3 way tag match
Posted By: JumpingNeckSlam (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Well here is my opinion, if you dont like it, post a reply on here, but here is really what has happened:
I am a live long WWE fan, i enjoy the TNA Product because its different. I am tired of seeing JOHN CENA/ HHH/ORTON..im sorry, but i am. I ordred Bound for Glory V last month, and i LOVED IT. I love the new guys, but also understand there is a spot for guys like 3D, Angle, etc. I was very worried about Hogan coming into TNA, and still am. So tonight was almost like a last of the possible good times of TNA...so I ordered Turning Point and....
IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
ANGLE vs. WOLFE was phenomenal . Definitely AT LEAST ****1/2. Both guys mixed pro wrestling with amateur with MMA and it worked perfectly!!
AJ/JOE/DANIELS: Also near ****1/2. I saw the first one at Unbreakable in 2005 so maybe I was spoiled, but I can see why someone would rate it *****, especially with all the hype and promotion.
I dont like spotfests, and have NO problem with WWE. Yes, i know that TNA sells 200 ticket to house shows, blah blah blah.
BOTTOM LINE IS: this was the greatest ppv of the year, and TNA IS ON A MAJOR ROLE. I DONT CARE ABOUT RATINGS, BUY RATES, ETC. I paid 34.95 tonight and got my money's worth. I hope Hogan doesn't screw things up because TNA Has some Major Momentum! Any Rebuttals??
ALSO: "SCREW HULK HOGAN" was the greatest thing ever chanted!! HAHA
Posted By: Saint Michael + (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Best TNA PPV of all time. Too bad it will end soon. BROTHER
Posted By: IndyFan (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM
I liked the X Division title match
Posted By: Troglodyte (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I don't know when everyone will realize that they've seen the same shit over and over!! And to have a crowd chant this is awesome 5 minutes into the match when nothing has happened is ridiculous. But I guess if you got in free to a ppv you'd prolly chant along. I thought the main events were good but not great by any means. Angle does the same match with everybody. Ankle Lock,Their Finisher,Ankle Lock/Angle Slam. The Title match was basically them trying to get you to buy the same ol' shit but this time it's for the "World"(and I use that loosely)Title. That match wasn't better than the first two and it really felt like they are gonna try to make you happy before they change and fuck things up!
Posted By: JBass24 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:17 PM
TNA has the best wrestling product today.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM
It's pathetic that the WWE marks can't give TNA any credit. Once again, they believe if it doesn't come from the "brilliant" mind of Vince McMahon, it must not be good. Even if you take away the last two matches of this ppv, you still have a descent ppv, which would be a step above what WWE has been giving us on ppv lately. IF this keeps happening, TNA WILL catch up to WWE in fans and ratings. The Fanboys need to get lives and quit hating just to hate.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:22 PM
I hate TNA and think the product is garbage, but if you are trying to be some super WWE mark or IWC smark or whatever you idiot trolls in these comments do and are trying to pretend those last two matches weren't absolutely amazing, you are just a fucking moron and don't know anything about wrestling.
Posted By: Guest#4737 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM
The people who said this ppv sucked ^ obviously did not watch it and are wwetards sucking their thumb in their mom's basement.
BEST PPV OF YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST BUY!!! LAST MATCH WAS THE BEST I HAVE EVER WITNESSED!!! BETTER THAN HBK/TAKER!
Posted By: 45 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:30 PM
I hate TNA and think the product is garbage, but if you are trying to be some super WWE mark or IWC smark or whatever you idiot trolls in these comments do and are trying to pretend those last two matches weren't absolutely amazing, you are just a fucking moron and don't know anything about wrestling.
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thank you
Posted By: 12 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:33 PM
First TNA PPV I have ever bought (WWF fan since 1988), and while the majority of the card was solid to good, man, those last two matches were well worth it. Really liked the story of Wolfe/Angle (since Wolfe had him so well scouted, Angle had to pull out a new trick for the win), and it was definitely ****+. As for the main, I don't know if I would go the full monty, but that was tremendous. A strong end always makes a PPV seem better, and those last two matches were a great way to finish.
Couple things on TNA though:
-They need to work on production. Every match doesn't need replays, but that main event had some sick moves that it would have been worth it to see immedately again during the match in a split screen. Especially that AJ flip to the outside.
-I normally think Taz is great, but he needs to relax with the 'I've known X person for a long time, and let me tell you...' It's fine to make a point, but after him using the line for 3D/Rhino, Lashley, Angle, and Joe, it got a little old.
-They need to get the hell out of the Impact Zone for their PPVs. That's purely opinion, as you would think if they could get sales in other markets, they would do it, but man, that bush league crowd ruins any 'big match' atmosphere they get going for a match. Chanting 'TNA' after a wrestler executes a great move is dumb. And don't say it's fine because that's how it was for ECW. They are clearly aiming higher.
Overall I thought it was a good PPV, I think better than all of the WWE PPVs I've seen this year (about 5 of them), and best of all was solid top to bottom while peaking at the end. And again, this is coming from a guy who has been watching WWF since Hogan vs. Dibiase/Zeus, so you know that's not something I would generally say.
Posted By: Nick (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Reasonable people can certainly disagree about match ratings and moty candidates, but anyone calling this show crap either didn't watch it or is desperate for attention. The bottom line is that while not perfect this was a damn fine show with two OUTSTANDING main events. Sometimes I truely think that 411 has quota based number of retards that they're obligated to placate by posting their assinine, dimwitted comments.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
The final two matches on the card were incredible but BY NO MEANS is the rest of this PPV worth anything. Those matches were great, this PPV was not
Posted By: Guest#7284 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Are you even remotely serious??? To put this in the same category as HBK/Undertaker is a travesty.
Posted By: Seriously? (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM
It was a MUCH better match than Taker/HBK. Taker/HBK is very overrated and was only given 5 stars because of who it was.
Posted By: Reality (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Sometimes I truely think that 411 has quota based number of retards that they're obligated to placate by posting their assinine, dimwitted comments.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
It's clearly one retard posting under several different names.
Posted By: Guest#5313 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Reasonable people can certainly disagree about match ratings and moty candidates, but anyone calling this show crap either didn't watch it or is desperate for attention. The bottom line is that while not perfect this was a damn fine show with two OUTSTANDING main events. Sometimes I truely think that 411 has quota based number of retards that they're obligated to placate by posting their assinine, dimwitted comments.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
This
Seriously, this was a semi-decent PPV elevated to must own by two fantastic matches at the end.
I don't consider myself a hardcore fan of either TNA or WWE....this was a great show featuring some really great in-ring performances
Posted By: Guest#3908 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Mediocre PPV. Survivor Series is gonna blow this crap away.
Posted By: Peep#4204 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I missed this PPV, I was watching Indy and New England football game.
Posted By: John (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:12 AM
Gotta love you nerds arguing over flipping stars! Hilarious, because nobody outside of maybe a dozen people really gives two shits if two matches happen to be rated with five asterisks because you think they're SUPER-NO VACANCY-AWESOME~~~@ or not!
Posted By: Gotta Love It (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:15 AM
It must really kill the WWE nutswingers that this PPV was better than anything WWE has put on in a long time. Enjoy your Diva bullshit and the punch/kick/punch WWE main event formula.
Posted By: Guest#7513 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:18 AM
It was a MUCH better match than Taker/HBK. Taker/HBK is very overrated and was only given 5 stars because of who it was.
Posted By: Reality (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM
And there is no way these two matches could be overrated because of whose in them either, right? It's not like everybody in the IWC has been busting wads over Nigel- I mean Wolfe- over the past two or three years, not to mention Angle. And it's not like any AJ, Daniels, or Joe matches have EVER been overrated before.
I'm not saying the matches are overrated or not, but don't pull that double standard out of your hat just because one match has Taker/Michaels and the others have lesser-name stars. It's not like casual fans are rating these matches. (How I envy them)
Posted By: Really? (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Backstage --
Russo: "Finally! You guys finally enjoyed a show I booked! I should also thank Ed --"
Dixie: "Yo Vince, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Hulk Hogan is the best booker of all time! The best booker of all time! And if you don't believe it, you're hurting the person sitting beside you."
Posted By: y2kev (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM
FIrst TNA PPV I ordered since Lock Down. And THIS is what TNA is and should be. What a show, two MOTYC and my personal MOTY. I was marking out for Nigel/Angle, then Joe/AJ/Daniels came on and was truly a 5 star classic. Loved the fan that shouted "THIS IS WHAT WE WANT" during the Main Event. Crowd was hot for the entire show and really helped the show I think.
Posted By: Klossing (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA.
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Typical wwetard. Always running their mouths about how great the wwe is. What you need to understand is that WWE does not care about wrestling fans. They just care about attracting non-wrestling fans that watch it for the storylines. What do you think the reason of the guest host is...... TNA is PRO WRESTLING!!!!!!!!
Posted By: 5222 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:42 AM
BEST FUCKING PPV ALL YEAR! Money well spent! Thank you TNA!
Posted By: JD (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:48 AM
To debate the merits of a 5-star WWE match vs. a 5-star TNA match is useless. WWE's main event style is based on storytelling and emotion, TNA's on action and technical prowess. HBK/Taker had full minutes of lying around, but a fan doesn't care because of the drama. AJ/Joe/Daniels has lots of spots, but no one cares because of the effort and excitement. These days, I'll take a back-and-forth 8-minute Impact match over a 15-minute Raw bout because I feel the TNA style allows its performers to define themselves and give me more wrestling. But, to each their own.
Great PPV tonight. I really hope this isn't the end of an era for the type of wrestling action TNA can provide.
Posted By: Tactix Millington (Registered) on November 16, 2009 at 12:53 AM
What a useless waste of time. No Hulk Hogan. I want a refund. I ordered this pile of minor league crap to see the Hulkster debut. No Hogan, Brutus, Nasty Boys, not even Kamala! The highlight of the week was Sean Mooney returning to the Federation.
Posted By: WWF Fan (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:05 AM
Awesome ppv.Hopefully next month we see Styles vs. Daniels for the TNA title.Also I was impressed with Wolfe but his two finishers (Jawbreaker Lariat and Towere of London) dont sell me as moves that get the 3 count.
Posted By: Guest#7394 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:16 AM
its tough to give out five stars nowadays, but i kinda gotta agree here. this match had everything their first encounter had minus the feeling of being a spotfest. i dont know if ayone else picked up on it, but not only did they invent new spots, they also managed to kinda re-use some spots from the first threeway except with some added twists i.e. the monkey flip/ranna spot countered by joe adding an element of "i'm not falling for this again (continuity)." the match was well paced and was given time to build up. really excellent work, aj should be happy here as i cant see how anyone can call him a weak champion after picking up the win. i hope this parlays into a continued feud with daniels or joe. great stuff
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:19 AM
Yawn. Worst PPV of the year. Both WWE and TNA need to step up their games.
Posted By: Steve Isaacs (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
What are you on, and tell the world where they can get some
Posted By: random (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Don't bother about such people...I do not know what they're doing on these websites. As a fan of pro wrestling, be it wwe,tna,roh or anything else in any country, the idea is to enjoy the matches and appreciate the story unfolding...I havta watch em...
Posted By: Guest#7170 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:35 AM
whoever the ass hat is that keeps posting negative comments about tna with the all caps names, give it up. we know its just some clown pretending to be a bunch of people. ur just upset that u can't physically fellate the undertaker and hbk. ur upset that aj, joe, and daniels gave ur heroes a run for their money for moty. we kno u didnt order the show because u couldn't face the fact that angle vs wolfe looked better on paper than any combination of cena/orton/hhh...oh yea and that match exceeded even my expectations. it was a technical masterpiece. but have fun adding nothing to the comment section as usual. and to the rest of u who are just here to throw dirt on what was a great ppv...fuck off
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:40 AM
Lost in all the over-rating and star ratings that don't mean shit - IWC's favorite tag team Motor City Machine Guns are once again all but forgotten about for what of all things? Well, of course, a SWERVE by Nash for Hogan!!
Posted By: Questioning Russo (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:41 AM
Reasonable people can certainly disagree about match ratings and moty candidates, but anyone calling this show crap either didn't watch it or is desperate for attention. The bottom line is that while not perfect this was a damn fine show with two OUTSTANDING main events. Sometimes I truely think that 411 has quota based number of retards that they're obligated to placate by posting their assinine, dimwitted comments.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Agreed.
Posted By: Guest#5408 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:43 AM
Wow, sounds like an awesome end to the show. I was very suprised they didn't pull any run ins or crap on the last match with AJ's mystery attacker (I didn't see impact this week so apologize if they already identified them on tv).
I hope the hogan chants weren't a work of russo putting someone in the crowd to start them for swerving purposes.
Posted By: Byzdalmyt (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:52 AM
it wasn't a perfect ppv (rather a solid one) until the double main event, but these matches made it feel very close to one!
so stop bitching and just enjoy it for what it is, a very entertaining ppv with 2 awesome (personal motyc) bouts.
Posted By: tmw (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:55 AM
This PPV rocked, forget the WWE loser-fan-boys, the only reason they comment is because they got nothing better to do because of their pathetic lives. All of you losers who have been ripping on TNA are pathetic morons who hide behind their Internet Account and won't last for crap in the real world, so it's OK that you rip on whatever you want. TNA-RULES.....WWE-FANS-DROOL.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....TO YOU WWE FANS.
Posted By: rockon (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:56 AM
I don't really watch TNA. I can never bring myself to watch a whole show, but this sounds really good. I will definitely check it out. I just worry how much of this greatness will be forgotten once Hogan and his boys actually appear in TNA.
Posted By: Aftergone (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:19 AM
Wow. I getting the replay of this PPV this week. Looks good to me!
Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:19 AM
3. Zero chance HBK/Taker is beaten out for match of the year. Sorry- it just isn't. Happened on the grandest stage in all of the business, lived up to much more hype than AJ/Joe/Daniels, and it happened in the WWE between two legends. Case closed. Sorry again, just the way it works. Posted By: Lorenzo (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM
You're a dope. Sorry. The PPV doesn't make the match, the matches make the PPV. Therefore, your "grandest stage" remark is absurd. Two legends make a great match? Nash/Hogan/FPoD?
Idiot.
Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:23 AM
Is there a way to filter out all the stupid, irrational, misinformed comments on here?
After such a mediocre go home edition of Impact, this PPV turned out much, much better than I expected. Not a single bad match as such. Two or three of the matches could have been left off altogether, but the rest of them were worth it.
Posted By: Guest#9271 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:31 AM
TNA delivered, haters.
Posted By: dt_5150 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:43 AM
"Backstage --
Russo: "Finally! You guys finally enjoyed a show I booked! I should also thank Ed --"
Dixie: "Yo Vince, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Hulk Hogan is the best booker of all time! The best booker of all time! And if you don't believe it, you're hurting the person sitting beside you."
funniest thing on here in a while!
Posted By: dt_5150 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 03:02 AM
Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Dumbest....Post.....EVER!
Posted By: Pat (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 03:24 AM
I rather enjoyed the PPV, after it was over. I was kinda annoyed and only really enjoyed Tara/Kong before the double main event, but man did that erase the bad taste..
Wolfe/Angle was well played, if you like european/hard hitting style then check it out. The crowd annoyed me alot though, Wolfe's clothesline was built up huge and they didn't even act like he almost got the pin.. And they didn't buy some of the main event's nearfalls.
I enjoyed the triple threat more than TakerHBK but that's my personal opinion
Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 03:40 AM
My stars are better than yours rrrraaarrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: KevinTheSage (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 04:17 AM
Unfortunately The Other Ryan, he has a point. More people will vote for Taker/HBK because it was at Mania and more people saw it. Also because it had the mystique of 2 legends slugging it out in what was unquestionably a very good match.
Posted By: Lansdell (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 05:02 AM
Go away Chris with your biased ratings. Five stars for that main event is a complete and utter joke. I didn't even give Taker/HBK five stars, just short of it. That's ridiculous. Four stars? Yes. Five is pathetic.
I look forward to the day this place gets them fair and properly writers.
Posted By: SummerTwilight7 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 05:23 AM
Main event wasn't that great,still kicked ass though ****,not as good as unbreakable 05
Posted By: Guest#5175 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 06:32 AM
I hate TNA and think the product is garbage, but if you are trying to be some super WWE mark or IWC smark or whatever you idiot trolls in these comments do and are trying to pretend those last two matches weren't absolutely amazing, you are just a fucking moron and don't know anything about wrestling.
Posted By: Guest#4737 (Guest) on November 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM
This guy wins. Ahmen
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 06:59 AM
I watched the Unbreakable match for the first time yesterday & i was amazed how good it was, im gonna try to catch this one.
Also as much as i watch the wwe i still hate the marks that come on here without even seeing the ppv & slagging it off, Get a Life!
Posted By: jbardo (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 07:29 AM
as long as taker vs hbk exists, no match is a potential 2009 MOTY
Posted By: Guest#6756 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 07:32 AM
I see a lot of people saying it's a disgrace to even put Angle/Wolfe or AJ/Daniels/Styles in the same LEAGUE as Undertaker/HBK, that their Mania match was an undisputed 5 star classic with nothing even remotely comparing to it this year. But I disagree. If anything, I think it was THAT match that was overrated.
It was great, don't get me wrong. But I think it lost true classic status due to the fact the result was never in any doubt. I never at any point thought HBK was going to win the match, because his ego forced him to protect his finishers by waiting a RIDICULOUSLY long time before going for the pin after hitting Sweet Chin Music. Undertaker went for the pin right after his finishers, but HBK didn't hold up his end of the bargain. It deflated from the drama of the match, for me at least.
Posted By: John (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:11 AM
So, what you're telling me is that I'm going to have to buy this DVD when it's on sale?
Posted By: AndrewCrow (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:22 AM
The only reason people fellate Desmond Wolfe is because he ended up here instead of TNA these same morons would hate him if he showed up and lost to Michaels because Michaels is over 40 blah blah blah. Well news flash so is Kurt Angle. Remember without WWF/E there is no studio wrestling show known as TNA. Jeff Jarrett, Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Christian (Who smartened up and came home) The Dudleys, Scott Steiner Booker T Stevie Richards Whatever the hell ELijah Burke calls himself Foley And Lashley were NEVER NEVER NEVER more exposed or sucessful then when they were in TNA. TNA has two PPVs in a row only 2 were they focused on non WWE guys. This isnt a renaissance and I ll be glad to say I told you so in a year when you are beeotching and complaining because Vince McMahon cant book the midgets he pics up from TNA going bankrupt. Although Hornswoggle gets plenty of TV time so we may have room for your 20-100 people crowd pleasers. Yeah cross the line. Hopefully Hogan makes the ring four sided so someone could actually take this seriously.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:28 AM
I may be in the minority but I liked the opener better then the "typical" high-spot after stop type X-Division match. I'd give it *** 1/4 for being a little different AND good.
I love the Beautiful People...on the mic but they just aren't that good. I love me some Sarita and Taylor Wilde though
For the record it was a good ***1/2 match but given the teams involved and given the last 2 PPVs had GREAT take team matches, I think it was a little disappointing. Doesn't mean bad just could have been better. We need to see a regular tag titles match tho 3 PPVs in a row with some kind of gimmick.
Tara vs. Kong was great. When I read the live recap I was thinking "WTF" given it was better then the matches before it. Plus why would the match have alot of high spot? Both women can wrestle so just let them go at it.
Good 6-man street fight. I didn't like seeing my boy Hernandez take the pin
When did Steiner vs. Lashley become a FCA match? Maybe I wasn't paying attention before the PPV? Id give it ** so far Lashley hasn't impressed me in TNA like he did in the WWE.
Angle vs. Wolfe was AWESOME! That's what I want to see. Two guys just going at it. That match was ****3/4 I loved everything about the match. And given I only seen a handful of ROH shows it made me MORE impressed with that Desonde could do. Holy shit
3-way title match it was just as good as Wolfe/Angle in a different way. I was marking out like an 8 year old to Cena's music. I was off my feet.
Overall fantastic show. It was fun, exciting with great matches and TWO match of the year candidates. I swear this must be PPV of the year.
I ordered TWO TNA PPVs in a row and both were excellent. Keep it up TNA you have my support as long as you keep putting on great shows
Posted By: Guest#6685 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Dear TNA,
Please do this more often.
- True wrestling fans
Posted By: A-Ron (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:19 AM
You lowball rated the 6 man tag as well as Steiner/Lashley those were all over 3 stars.
PPV of the year, no contest.
Posted By: Jake G (Registered) on November 16, 2009 at 09:22 AM
This PPV rocked, forget the WWE loser-fan-boys, the only reason they comment is because they got nothing better to do because of their pathetic lives. All of you losers who have been ripping on TNA are pathetic morons who hide behind their Internet Account and won't last for crap in the real world, so it's OK that you rip on whatever you want. TNA-RULES.....WWE-FANS-DROOL.....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....TO YOU WWE FANS.
Posted By: rockon (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Oh yeah, because ANYBODY who watches WWE must automatically hate wrestling and TNA and have absolutely no life, right? Just shut your mouth. Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about and you aren't qualified to use the word pathetic in reference to anybody but yourself.
I watch WWE, but I have no problem saying TNA just stepped up their game BIG TIME and they've caught my interest.
Posted By: A-Ron (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:28 AM
Well there were some other decent matches in there. Red/Homicide was pretty good. Could have been a lot better but I think Homicide wants out so the heart wasn't there on his part.
The 3 tag team match wasn't as good as I had hoped but wasn't horrid. MCMG apparently getting buried by the only drama displayed all night doesn't make sense. But neither did some other things.
Wolf/Angle a lot better than I thought it would be. Although after getting laid out by the lariat 3 times in as many weeks to have him kick out of one was a little WWEesque.
Main event was pretty stupid awesome. Daniels had the two best moves in the whole match too bad he won't ever be champ, unless he goes full on heel and he and Tomko go on a rampage or something.
This show was obviouslyabout wrestling, since they didn't do any storyline stuff or advance or start or really even finish any of the drama and innuendo that has been building up lately. Hell other than Nash they didn't even mention Hogan's name. But no Tomko, no Hogan, no other storyline drama seemed a little weird. But maybe it was just a culminating of Russo as booker, and letting it al end and then letting Hogan or whomever he has come in and start a bunch of new stories/angles. Hard saying.
TNA is alot less predictable than WWE when it comes to most stuff so when they blur the kayfabe lines you really don't know if they meant to or not or if it is really a double swerve. Because call Russo on a lot of things it probably isn't all him and because he swerves so much you really don't know what is legit gossip or released kayfabe.
But I can see where some WWE guys who watched would want to see a soap opera develop since that is all their show is about. And they aren't used to actual wrestling and moves and counter moves anymore. Just story telling. So it is expected they would be disapointed. But IMO a little story advancement wouldn't have hurt. But don't worry guys I think Piper is on RAW tonight so that will help.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:41 AM
That show was the first one this year, where I didn't get bored. Hernandez took the gore like a fuckin' bullet. Steiner is easily one of the best talent in all of wrestling, HA! He's 100 years old, and still funny, still can go, and... HAD 20 000 WOMEN, LOSERS! Kongs missile dropkick was insane. I thought Wolfe/Angle wasn't anything special, but as time passed, I relized, that I could watch it for hours. My only problem with the main event was, that I knew Aj's gonna win, but it was still awesome.
Posted By: tully (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:44 AM
The stream I was watching cut out seconds before the main event ended! Fuck you TNA! Just for that, im going to download the Torrent of this event right now! lol paying money for PPV
Posted By: Guest#8346 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM
ME AM SO MAD! Me want less stars! Me thinks last 2 match junk! Them no even use sleeper hold for 5 minute! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Those were both Really really god matches. ****1/2 stars - ***** stars. Both delivered and lived up to the hype. Whether u like or hate TNA these were good matches. Well worth my money. The rest of the ppv was decent (no match was bad) Great job TNA!
Posted By: WWEGR8TENYEARSAGO (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Was that 5 star a one shot deal?
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I've become a TNA fan a few years ago after seeing Samoa Joe, and haven't watched WWE in a while, but have followed them on 411 reports, and I have not grudge against them. TNA has had it's problems, but this, IMO, was the best booked PPV I've seen all year.
I say that because the entire PPV followed and paid off storylines told since the end of BFG. Joe exposed Daniels' jealousy, and in the ring Daniels showed his jealousy. AJ felt he had to answer doubts about his championship reign, and beat two of the best in the game. Joe need to show his dominance, and physically dominmated both opponents.
Wolfe wanted beat Angle at his own game, and had an answer for everything in Angle's arsenal, forcing Angle to add new weapons. Team 3d and Rhino had to cheat to beat the young lions, and The Pope looked like a superstar in that match.
WE continued to out trick their competion and Beer Money looks focused, MCMG looked relevant.
No One got buried in their matches. All the losers came out looking like they got cheated (Beermoney, Hernandez, Morgan, Pope) or like they were one move away from winning (Daniels, Kong, Joe, Homicide)
Great PPV. Better than BFG
Posted By: Bernard (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Radtke
Dude what are you so bitter about? This is a fucking PPV recap for a great show not WWE vs TNA forum
Posted By: Guest#2456 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM
hey, what an awesome show. Infact, why cant TNA give us 8/10 plus shows from now on, you can have one good show a year but what will really tell is what they do with the next ppv. Roll on Final Resolution
Posted By: ljd (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Ugh, a bunch of spot monkeys doing flippy moves in front of 90 non-paying moron fans... yay! 5 stars? Wow, I bet Chavo and Hornswoggle should really use the top rope more, apparently when you almost break your neck it makes a match "OMGAWESOME".
Posted By: Foolio (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Holy Jebus the last two matches were incredible. Daniels/Joe/Styles = MOTY
Posted By: TNATNATNA (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 11:59 AM
its funny that tna fans say that wwe fans dont give tna credit when tna fans shit on everything about the wwe. they hate on triple h. hes good and thats the bottom line doesnt matter who he married! also tna wasnt shit without angle hes the only reason i give the show credit. but he learned from guys in the wwe. if wwe was that bad then why do you cheer the same people who helped build the company like nash,hogan,angle,stiner. you guys are just haters
Posted By: big o (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM
"Ugh, a bunch of spot monkeys doing flippy moves in front of 90 non-paying moron fans... yay! 5 stars? Wow, I bet Chavo and Hornswoggle should really use the top rope more, apparently when you almost break your neck it makes a match "OMGAWESOME"."
And this is the epidome of WWE fans who are brainwashed by Vince, thinking that anything even remotely exciting in a wrestling ring is simply that of spot monkeys.
Screw innovation! Let's watch the same Cena match again! That's easier for my small brain to enjoy...
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM
My problem isn't as much with TNA as its fans that make potshots at WWE for no reason. I m ordering yes ORDERING Survivor Series and I will enjoy it comment on it and not mention something like WOW lets see what TNA does in December. There is no point. TNA from November 2006- to September 2009 was nothing more than a rip off watered down version of WWE. Only recently and prior to Kurt's actual debut did they do anything original. It is bush league. WWE is stuck in a rut admittedly but it is a rut they created not another promotion. For the idiot Pat who said my original comment was the dumbest how about the one were the fan said TNA Rulez WWE Drools I guess if you put TNA over it automatically become a more intelligent comment. Oh yeah and TNA should I dont know PUSH MCMG.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:00 PM
I'm sure the 4,000 people that bought this PPV loved it. I did. I just hope they can build on this and bring up the ratings.
Posted By: kolop1 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:04 PM
I'm not a WWE fan. I'm not a TNA fan. I'm a WRESTLING fan, and I love seeing great wrestlers in great matches wherever that happens to be taking place, be it WWE, TNA, ROH or wherever.
I feel sorry for the folks who have to try their hardest to crap on something that's undisputably good solely to maintain some misguided sense of loyalty to a single promotion, as if the promotion has any loyalty to them. That goes to the WWE haters and the TNA haters alike. Both companies have their flaws, but both have their bright spots too, and calling a company totally crap because you're on "the other side" is just stupid.
But if you can't allow yourself to enjoy great wrestling like Kurt Angle VS Desmond Wolfe or Joe/AJ/Daniels because it isn't happening in WWE, then that's up to you. Your loss.
Posted By: John (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:50 PM
alot of you need to calm down. The last 2 matches were very GOOD. but to go this crazy over it? Undertaker vs. HBK was better then both of these matches. I personally thought angle/wolfe had to much armbars and submissions for my liking...this isnt ROH...so for u peole chanting "screw Hulk Hogan", listen if TNA went on with having top guys like AJ, Samoa Joe and Daniels, then they will be out of buisness very soon.... it's guys like Raven,Christian Cage, Kurt Angle, Team 3D etc. that kept TNA in buisness...not the desmond wolfe's of the world...people CALM DOWN
Posted By: tnz (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:54 PM
You can have all the Kurt Angle vs. Desmond Wolfe 5 star matches you want, it's NOT gonna bring in more ratings, it's NOT gonna put more asses in the seats....I'm not saying Hogan will.. but look at ROH, do you people want TNA to become ROH...why do u think ROH has been around longer then TNA and hasnt made any money or exposure. So I do like The AJ's, Joe's, Daniel's of the world but them alone CANNOT run a federation.
Posted By: Guest#6866 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 01:59 PM
awesome show...the double main event was incredible....taker/michaels is match of the year with tonights 3way right behind it followed by...(in no particular order) angle/wolf, angle/styles from impact, rey vs jericho (the bash) rey vs morrison (smackdown) and sabin vs shelley (genesis)...only complaint with this report is that the 3 on 3 tag match was actually better the triple threat tag which totally underachieved while the 6 man tag totally overachieved
Posted By: jwilliams1983 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:19 PM
"Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA."
I'm sorry, I guess some of us are just tired of the main event combo of Cena, Orton, Old ass HBK, and old ass HHH. Sorry some people like seeing new and fresh talent. We're tired of seeing crack heads like Jeff Hardy headline PPVs. Last WWE PPV I bought was WM. I felt I got more for my dollar with last nights PPV.
Posted By: dean1983 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:28 PM
and why are all these hardcore WWE fans so butt hurt over TNA right now. I get it, you don't like the company so don't watch it. I'm not a TNA fan or WWE fan. I'm a pro wrestling fan. Right now TNA has grabbed my attention more that WWE. With WWE it seams like I'm watching the same show every week. WWE used to be great but that all changed around the end of 02. Smackdown had a few great years in 03 and 04, and is the better of the WWE shows right now. Impact by far is my favorite wrestling show right now. You may not agree, but that's fine. Just don't see why WWE fans get all butt hurt when TNA is not as threat to their favorite wrestling program.
Posted By: dean1983 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:33 PM
wwe kids crying again
Posted By: true (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 02:38 PM
Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM
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So what your saying is that any thing that isnt wwe sucks right? You say wwe will never die will guess what wcw nearly put wwe out of business with the help of hogan/bischoff so when it comes down to it you are just a biased peice of sh*t who thinks wwe's crappy pg spongebob wrestling is cool. what will we see next? ummm let's see:
wwe raw is now about of the disney channel line up haha damn E mark why cant you except that wwe is a kids company? Well helll talk to you in like 3 years when tna becomes the number 1 company and roh becomes number 2 and sadly wwe dies of the boring disease haha
Posted By: blablablabla (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 03:39 PM
Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM
LOL!
Do you really think any TNA fan gives a fuck what you think?
Silly bastard.
Posted By: Guest#1856 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 03:59 PM
superstars = 0.9
iMPACT! = 1.1
yet another sad beating the wwe took from tna. Let the thursday night wars continue!
Posted By: Lazybone2009 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 04:47 PM
Great job Angle for not only helping out Wolfe by adjusting to his style, but for suffering through his injury. Angle is a modern day Flair in that he's fucking amazing in the ring and still puts guys over.
And they jobbed Lashley to Grand Poppa Pump! Bwahaha.
Posted By: Rein Engel (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 04:47 PM
I will see you fuckers in 2 years when your shitty company dies and you bitch and piss and moan about how WWE doesnt push anybody new. Like I said in my orginal comment you can beat us down like EASY E and Hogan did, but does that matter now? Trust me the PG stuff is pretty dumbed down but it sure in the hell beats the garbage sleazy storylines of the so called golden era known as Attitude. I am an idiot though I am too old to be arguing with you teens who think you know workrate and first memories of wrestling are The Attitude Era. Run in Swerve Run In Swerve Rinse Repeat which is what TNA was until 2 months ago. I USED TO WATCH TNA USED TO being the key words it is not liked I havent tried. They do have talented people something TNA fans would never admit about WWE until they get realeased and come over. I like MCMG and respect Daniels and AJ but one match one triple threat match does not make a company. I m done I ll let you enjoy it while you can Hogan in 2010. I cant wait I seriously cant I met him and Jimmy Hart at a recent signing and their plans for TNA are great.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 05:41 PM
"Any TNA fan boy who uses the stupid "WWETARD" phrase loses instant credibility with WWE fans and myself and has no reason to complain about us complaining. I hate TNA I hate their stupid fanbase which is made up of losers. Yes fans who are bitter because their shitty Dubbya Cee Dubbya or ECW couldnt compete and went out of business. People who were WWF fans whose IWC favs didnt get the push cause they sucked like KENNEDY, or Fans of a bottom feeding promotion like ROH that is only a lease of a building away from being Backyard Wrestling. WWE will always be number 1 and even if they falter they ALWAYS recover. Give up if you hate WWE either dont watch or if you are a TNAHOLE shutup and watch your six sides of shit without running your mouth about the E while you still can. Cause it is coming crashing down and my childhood hero Hulk Hogan is gonna make it hurt inside for the indy promotion that could known as TNA.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM"
Another question is, "if you hate TNA so much, why are you reading results to one of their PPV's?" Oh right, it's because you're a retarded troll. Go away, retarded troll.
Posted By: Steve307 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 06:59 PM
I will see you fuckers in 2 years when your shitty company dies and you bitch and piss and moan about how WWE doesnt push anybody new. Like I said in my orginal comment you can beat us down like EASY E and Hogan did, but does that matter now? Trust me the PG stuff is pretty dumbed down but it sure in the hell beats the garbage sleazy storylines of the so called golden era known as Attitude. I am an idiot though I am too old to be arguing with you teens who think you know workrate and first memories of wrestling are The Attitude Era. Run in Swerve Run In Swerve Rinse Repeat which is what TNA was until 2 months ago. I USED TO WATCH TNA USED TO being the key words it is not liked I havent tried. They do have talented people something TNA fans would never admit about WWE until they get realeased and come over. I like MCMG and respect Daniels and AJ but one match one triple threat match does not make a company. I m done I ll let you enjoy it while you can Hogan in 2010. I cant wait I seriously cant I met him and Jimmy Hart at a recent signing and their plans for TNA are great.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 05:41 PM
Yea and in 3 years TNA will still be around and you and the rest of teh down syndromed children will "Claim" TNA will go under in another 2 years. Keep bitching kid, see you 3 years from now retard.
Posted By: PG Sux (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Wow, Steiner won a singles match on a ppv...finally...they really screwed him over since he signed. Nice to see Rhino is still relevant too.
Posted By: electrichotdog (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:23 PM
This was the best TNA PPV in ages. The McGuinness/Angle match was superb, and the main event three way was excellent (although not a five star match by any means, probably in the ****1/4-****1/2 range). The opener was pretty damn good as well. The rest was average at best, but at least the finishes were more logical than normal, and there wasn't anywhere near the usual amount of nonsense (aside from the Nash swerve.
TNA has been diabolically booked all year and IMPACT is total nonsense every single week, but this PPV was such an improvement, it's hard to believe that it was done by the same company
Posted By: Raven3112 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:40 PM
The last two matches were no doubt amazing but the rest of the show felt a bit off. Good ppv tho.
Posted By: Guest#6818 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 08:55 PM
best ppv of the year.
Posted By: ,,,,,, (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:06 PM
What in the hell is wrong with some of you people? You can't possibly be as dumb as you present yourselves. If you don't like one company or the other then don't watch, its that simple. Both companies have their strengths and weaknesses, both can put on good shows or bad shows. TNA put on a quality show last night with two outstanding main events, and that is a great thing for ALL wrestling. Strong competition breeds strong performance, making a better product for all to enjoy. Remember in the late 90's when there were TWO companies trying to one up eachother every week?... That fierce competition made a great product from both sides for all to enjoy, regardless of what promotion the individual favored. We should all hope that TNA's performance last night is the rule, not the exception so just maybe we can get a taste of that fierce competition once again.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:16 PM
What's with all the arguing about things that have nothing to do with the PPV? Blah, blah ratings. Blah, blah WWE.
Oh right, internet. Of course.
Posted By: Ravenite (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 09:24 PM
The number one topic of "smart" wrestling fans and casuals alike, Hulk Hogan. What a signing!
Posted By: cbizzle (Guest) on November 16, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Bunch of ungrateful, inbred, losers fans TNA has. Hulk Hogan is the Babe Ruth of wrestling. He has come here so maybe ppl will actually care about TNA wrestling. Screw Hulk Hogan?? I say SCREW YOU!!
Angle can wrestle, but face it, he was HHH's bitch most of his WWE career.
AJ Styles is very good as well, but he would get his ass handled to him by John Cena.
Whatelse does TNA really have?
Samoa Joe, fat piece of trash would get his head taken off by Batista.
Motor City Machine Guns? The most overrated tag team in history. The are a spotfest team, they could not be Cryme Time.
Christopher Daniels..sorry pal, Chris Jericho beats you everyday of the week.
Eric Young? BWAHAHAAHAHA this is your secondary champion? John Morrison or the Miz crushes this guy.
Sorry folks. WWE > TNA
Posted By: TNABLOWS (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Bunch of ungrateful, inbred, losers fans TNA has. Hulk Hogan is the Babe Ruth of wrestling. He has come here so maybe ppl will actually care about TNA wrestling. Screw Hulk Hogan?? I say SCREW YOU!!
Angle can wrestle, but face it, he was HHH's bitch most of his WWE career.
AJ Styles is very good as well, but he would get his ass handled to him by John Cena.
Whatelse does TNA really have?
Samoa Joe, fat piece of trash would get his head taken off by Batista.
Motor City Machine Guns? The most overrated tag team in history. The are a spotfest team, they could not be Cryme Time.
Christopher Daniels..sorry pal, Chris Jericho beats you everyday of the week.
Eric Young? BWAHAHAAHAHA this is your secondary champion? John Morrison or the Miz crushes this guy.
Sorry folks. WWE > TNA
Posted By: TNABLOWS (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Hmmm lets see what the WWE has.... Tag Teams oh yea Jerishow a 300 lb slob and Y2J the man that says the same big mean words 500 times a week. The Miz oh the only reason jannety er I mean Miz got popular was cus he was riding Cena's nuts and oh wow ppl liked him all of a sudden? You also have a green leprechaun, women that can't wrestle, no Tag Teams. No character or storyline Development, a 45 year old as your Smackdown Champion lol. CM Punk who had potential feuding with a TNA reject now, let's not 4get a champ who is supposed to be face getting booed like crazy every week yup Cena wow lol. Sorry kid but TNA>WWE
Posted By: WWE PG sucks (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 02:24 AM
That main event was easily one of the best wrestling matches I've ever seen. I don't even care if it's rated 5 stars, it probably deserved it.
I liked Wolfe and Angle, it had great wrestling psychology, but I thought Wolfe would go after the neck to try and 'cripple' Angle. Disappointed some kind of lariat wasn't worked in, but a stellar effort all the same.
I disagree with your analysis on Tara/Kong and the triple threat tag team match though. I thought the tag match was supreme, even if MCMGs disappearance at the end was a bit random and shit. However, I don't think you could rate the cage match above that, I was alot more excited for the tag match than the cage match, although I think both delivered.
This is the first TNA PPV I've bought in well over a year - a seriously worthy purchase.
Posted By: Banz (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 08:19 AM
My problem isn't as much with TNA as its fans that make potshots at WWE for no reason. I m ordering yes ORDERING Survivor Series and I will enjoy it comment on it and not mention something like WOW lets see what TNA does in December. There is no point. TNA from November 2006- to September 2009 was nothing more than a rip off watered down version of WWE. Only recently and prior to Kurt's actual debut did they do anything original. It is bush league. WWE is stuck in a rut admittedly but it is a rut they created not another promotion. For the idiot Pat who said my original comment was the dumbest how about the one were the fan said TNA Rulez WWE Drools I guess if you put TNA over it automatically become a more intelligent comment. Oh yeah and TNA should I dont know PUSH MCMG.
Your still an idiot, SS wont even come close to turning point
Posted By: Guest#5206 (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 09:59 AM
This has really gotten stupid. The term reject like so and so is a WWE Reject or TNA reject is when the COMPANY ie WWE or TNA releases said wrestler not when the wrestler jumps. Christian to TNA was his choice. RON Killings to WWE was his choice. Christian back to the E is his choice. Rejects are guys the company doesnt want has no use for. So the TRUTH is not a TNA Reject but the poor mans Ron Killings - Elijah Burke ( I m sorry I dont use stupid TNA gimmick names they make Braden Walker sound intelligent) is a WWE reject we had no use for him. No use for Murdoch no use for Rhyno or the Dudleys anymore. Matt Morgan was green as hell when the e had him and still is a far cry from Main Events. The Duran Duran guy Nigel McGuiness we didnt need him.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM
This has really gotten stupid. The term reject like so and so is a WWE Reject or TNA reject is when the COMPANY ie WWE or TNA releases said wrestler not when the wrestler jumps. Christian to TNA was his choice. RON Killings to WWE was his choice. Christian back to the E is his choice. Rejects are guys the company doesnt want has no use for. So the TRUTH is not a TNA Reject but the poor mans Ron Killings - Elijah Burke ( I m sorry I dont use stupid TNA gimmick names they make Braden Walker sound intelligent) is a WWE reject we had no use for him. No use for Murdoch no use for Rhyno or the Dudleys anymore. Matt Morgan was green as hell when the e had him and still is a far cry from Main Events. The Duran Duran guy Nigel McGuiness we didnt need him.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Well in that case kid we didn't have use for CM Punk, Evan Bourne, Mickie James. Also WCW didn't have use for HHH,Undertaker,Kane. ECW didn't have use for Rey Mysterio,Stone Cold, and etc etc. Oh by btw Dolph Ziggler oh clever name btw same with Hornswoggle and Vance Arhcer? Pfft-hahahahaha. Then there's Yoshi Tatsu and Zack Ryder let's not forget. Lol you still don't have Tag Teams, Cruiserweights, or a Womens Division. Your heavyweights are full of 40 year olds and a Face that gets a heel response lol. Enjoy the scraps kid. BTW kid TNA>WWE
Posted By: TNA > WWE (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 03:46 PM
God damn, I just skimmed through the comments and it's a full scale war with fans drawing on defense of their respected and favored promotions. First and foremost, WWEntertainment fans should stick to WWE ends of reports if they hate TNA so much and let TNA fans enjoy the damn TNA product!
WHOOO! Well anyway, TNA Turning Point was a great PPV tonight, morely the last two matches that ascended my ranking of the event! Hoping TNA brings more of this to PPV in the forseeable future!
Posted By: DMiller (Guest) on November 17, 2009 at 07:04 PM
Joe/Daniels/Styles was better than HBK/Undertaker - whilst the WWE match had me on the edge of my seat because of the Undertakers unbeaten streak looking in serious danger the reality was that it became a back and forth kick out of my finisher match for the last 5 minutes - it's still a legendary match because of the emotion it generated and HBK/Taker deserve huge credit for that. It should have headlined Wrestlemania 25. Joe/Styles/Daniels had more in it and told a different story, one that will live upto repeated viewings far more than Taker/HBK because it doesn't need the thrill or fear of Taker losing at Wrestlemania.
Also this was the best PPV since BFG/Night of Champions 2009.
Posted By: JAK (Guest) on November 18, 2009 at 08:18 PM
The only thing that makes me place AJ-Joe-Daniels 2 resolutely over Taker-HBK was the pretty bad DDT botch in the latter. Without that, I'd be happy giving them a tie.
Posted By: The Tortoise King (Registered) on November 18, 2009 at 08:35 PM
I feel bad, I wanted to order this, but I absolutely refuse to put one red cent into Hulk Hogans wallet, even indirectly
Posted By: kingave66 (Guest) on November 18, 2009 at 08:59 PM
THANK YOU, ORLANDO!!!
Bring on the "FUCK YOU, HOGAN!!!" and "YOU CAN'T WRESTLE" chants!
Posted By: COTD (Guest) on November 19, 2009 at 08:03 AM
Personally, i thought Wolfe-Angle was better than the main event. I saw Wolfe-Angle, and thought 5 stars, but the triple threat i thought more 4 and a half to four and three quarters. something was missing for me...
Posted By: Camsta (Guest) on November 19, 2009 at 05:36 PM
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