411's WWE Raw Report 11.23.09
Posted by Rob McNew on 11.23.2009
Jesse Ventura is your guest host tonight, and he's here to shake things up by giving a new contender a WWE Championship shot. Elsewhere Vince and Jesse reunite at the commentary table, CM Punk faces off with John Cena for the first time ever, and the Gobbledy Gooker makes an appearance
-Coming off the heels of last night's Survivor Series we head into tonight's three hour Thanksgiving special of Raw. We're hosted by former Minnesota Governor and WWE Hall of Famer Jesse "The Body" Ventura, and stars from all three brands will be in the house. While we're sure to see some festive hijinxs from the usual suspects, and hopefully a Gooker cameo, we've also got just three weeks until TLC which comes to us from San Antonio. Is San Antonio's favorite son in line for a title shot after not taking the fall last night in the triple threat? Let's find out.
-Live from the Giant Center in Hershey, PA
-Hosted by Michael Cole & Jerry "The King" Lawler
-We kick off with a huge main event announcement of CM Punk vs. John Cena tonight.
-Justin Roberts introduces Jesse Ventura, but Randy Orton comes out instead. Orton says the normal routine is for the guest host to come out only to be interrupted, but he does not care. He says he knows Jesse Ventura has a major announcement to make regarding the WWE Title, and remembers what his father told him about Jesse. That he's a revolutionary and a radical who isn't afraid to break the rules. He wants Jesse to prove it to him. He knows he's not supposed to face John Cena for the title anymore, but he knows the guest host can do whatever he wants and one of those things is lifting the ban on him wrestling for the title. He says Jesse knows he deserves to be World Champion more than anyone else, and he asks him to come out and name him number one contender. That brings out Jesse who says The Body is back and he's not dressed like a Governor, but like pro wrestling. He says what he says goes, and tells Orton he respects him and likes his style. He says Orton reminds him of himself when he was younger. He says he's an independent, and he stands for revolution. Being that he's the Governor of Revolution he says he's going to bring something completely new to the WWE tonight. He tells Orton he won't get another title shot, because every week the same guys get title shots. He says he it won't be HHH, Shawn Michaels, The Big Show, or Chris Jericho. He says tonight there will be a series of matches, and to qualify for the matches you can never have been a World Champion. The winners of these matches will go to a battle royal, and the winner will be the number one contender. He says since Orton has already been there and done that he's not eligible. Orton says he's making a mistake, but Ventura says he's made a lot of mistakes but he must stand by them and what he says goes. He runs down a series of firsts for tonight. John Cena takes on CM Punk. The Hart Dynasty takes on D-Generation X. Finally the contestants in the breakthrough battle royal who will face off in qualifying matches. He says the first match starts now and out comes Kofi.
Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifying Match: Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Ziggler
Apparently this is tri-branded. Cole explains the rules as the winner of the battle royal earns the title shot on his respective brand. Kofi misses a dive into the corner allowing Ziggler to pick up a two count and take control of the match. Mr. Perfect-esque necksnap from Ziggler gets a two count, and he follows that up with a suplex. Ziggler grabs a rear chinlock, and then throws Kofi to the mat. Ziggler connects with a series of elbows drops for two which he follows with a bodyscissor. Kofi stands up and throws Ziggler away which is followed by a jumping clothesline. Boom drop connects for Kofi, and it sets up a Trouble in Paradise attempt which misses. Ziggler goes for the Zig Zag, but Kofi blocks that by grabbing the ropes and this time the Trouble in Paradise connects for the win at 3:52 as the super push continues for Kofi. Winner: Kofi Kingston (Pinfall-Trouble in Paradise **)
-Miz joins us to tell us what he's thankful for. He's thankful for being the only guy to win at Bragging Rights, for his team winning last night, and being the most dominant US Champion of all time. Actually he's not thankful for those things, but he expects them. He tells us we should be the ones who are thankful we get to watch him, because he's the Miz and he's awesome.
Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifying Match: Sheamus vs. Finlay
Nice to see young guys like Finlay getting World Title opportunities like this. Finlay attacks early and kicks Sheamus to the outside before driving him into the announce table. Back inside they go, but Finlay gets caught with a boot on the way inside. Sheamus charges into the corner and gets a knee from Finlay, but returns the favor with a back elbow and clothesline. Sheamus rams Finlay shoulder first into the ringpost, and that sets up the Razors Edge which finishes at 1:53. After the match Sheamus attacks Finlay again firing him into the ringsteps, and then to the barricade. Sheamus hits a big boot sending Finlay crashing into the crowd, and stands over him before heading back. Outside of some early token offense this was nothing more than a squash Winner: Sheamus (Pinfall-Razors Edge *)
-Teddy Long stops by to tell us what he's thankful for, but Vickie interrupts him to say he should be thankful that Mr. McMahon appointed her his personal consultant. She says we need to be thankful for having someone of her knowledge back in power. Escobar chimes in that it's nice to have the eye candy too. She asks Teddy to pass the potatoes, and he appears to have half a mind to throw it in her face, but Escobar sadly catches the tray and feeds it to her with his hands.
-Orton stops by Jesse's office to ask to get in to the battle royal. He says it's a conspiracy that the WWE wants to keep him from wrestling for the title. Jesse says he's probably right, but his hands are tied. He made his declaration, and he can't go back on his word. He tells him he likes how Orton operates retiring the old guys, and he's proud he never came back, but asks again that Orton not ask him to break the rules he already set.
CM Punk vs. John Cena
Punk says everyone is telling us what they're thankful for. He says he has a lot to be thankful for. First and foremost he's thankful that he's straight edge, because he wouldn't want to be like us. He says he doesn't abuse his body, and that means he's better than you. He says Thanksgiving's biggest vice is gluttony, and by looking at some of us he can tell we're all going to be shocked when we found out we ate too much. After we take medicine to make us feel better we're going to have dessert because we're fat and glutoness, and not as strong as he is. He says tonight he faces a turkey named John Cena, and lets him know that he can indeed see him. Gotta love Cena's new color scheme. Not sure if that's John Cena or John Elway. Punk ducks under the ropes to stall at the outset before locking up and grabbing a side headlock. Punk hits the ropes and runs into a shoulderblock from Cena which is hilariously sold by Punk. Punk comes back with a series of kicks, and then buries a shoulderblock in the corner. Cena reverses an Irish whip sending Punk to the corner, and a running bulldog gets a one count. Cena rams Punk headfirst to the top buckle, and then a drop toehold looks to set up the STF but Punk is able to slide out to the floor as we head to break. We return with Cena locked in figure four around the head by Punk. Cena powers his way to his feet and ends up dropping Punk in the electric chair. Punk comes right back with a clothesline for a two count, and follows up with a series of knees. Punk whips Cena into the corner, and follows up with a reverse neckbreaker for two. Punk traps the arm and delivers a series of elbows to the side of the head again getting a near fall. Cena ducks a clothesline coming out of the corner, and delivers a series of shoulderblocks. Cena hits the protoplex, and that is followed up with a five knuckle shuffle. Attitude Adjustment is countered by Punk who lands on his feet and delivers a spin kick. Punk goes for the GTS, but Cena catches the leg on his way down and locks in the STF. I thought for sure that was the finish, but instead Punk is able to reach the ropes. Awesome sequence. Cena charges and runs into a kick to the side of the head by Punk and that gets two. Punk delivers a pair of knee lifts which is followed by a running knee in the corner. Punk goes for the bulldog, but Cena counters firing Punk across the ring. Cena heads to the top rope for the Rocker Dropper which connects for a two count. Cena goes for the Attitude Adjustment again, but an elbow from Punk gets him free and spinning heel kick from picks up a two count. Punk goes for another running knee in the corner, but Cena moves and Punk finds himself laying across the top rope. Cena picks him and delivers the Super Attitude Adjustment from the top rope which hits and finishes things off at 11:59. Tremendous match from these two, and it really makes me want to see a feud and full pay per view encounter. Great stuff from two of the top performers in the company. Winner: John Cena (Pinfall-Super Attitude Adjustment ***1/4)
-Recap of the first hour for those who didn't remember the early start time.
-Mr. McMahon stops by Jesse's office, and says if he wants a match with him he's going to respectively decline. Jesse says he wouldn't stoop so low as to wrestle him, as when he wrestled Vince was just an announcer. Jesse says tonight is a throwback night, and he's going to do with Vince what his father did to him. He says Vince's dad had so little confidence in him he made him an announcer. So tonight Vince and Jesse are going back on the mic together. OH SWEET JESUS YES!!!! Vince and Jesse back at the broadcast booth together. My wishes have been answered. He gives Vince a tuxedo to put on and his trademark red bowtie. This is officially the greatest Raw of all time.
Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifying Match: Chavo Guerrero, "The Masterpiece" Chris Masters, & Jack Swagger vs. R-Truth, MVP, & Mark Henry
What did poor Swagger do to deserve this? He's doomed. This is of course a match that will qualify all three members of the winning team for the battle royal. Swagger starts off with MVP, and takes him down with a go behind. Swagger grabs a side headlock, but hits the ropes and runs into a hiptoss from MVP. Swagger pushes MVP into the heel corner, and drives a series of shoulderblocks before tagging in Chavo. Chavo dives inside, but gets caught by MVP. Masters had made a blind tag however, and he takes control of the match. Chavo tags back in and he works over MVP some in the corner before tagging Masters back into the match. Masters hits a bodyslam, but hits the ropes running into a clothesline. R-Truth tags in and hits a one legged dropkick for two when Chavo breaks up the tag. That brings everyone into the match, and Henry is there to press slam Chavo over the top onto Swagger. Back to the legal men as R-Truth delivers the Lie Detector to Chavo to pick up the win at 3:07. It was a standard six man on fast forward. Winners: R-Truth, MVP, & Mark Henry (Truth pins Guerrero-Lie Detector *1/2)
-HHH asks Shawn what was with the kick last night, and they basically completely no-sell any possibly animosity over things. Finally a midget shows up in a suit to which HHH quips "do these things grow on trees?" The midget gives Shawn a piece of paper and leaves, and we find out that they're being sued in "Little People's Court" next week. HHH says that's pretty short notice. Har har har.
Evan Bourne vs. Primo
Randy Orton attacks Primo in the aisle as he heads to the ring, and gets in the ring and says he's in the match now and orders the ref to ring the bell. Ventura interrupts on the titantron, and says that since Orton has been persistant he's got something to say. Rules are made to be broken, and he broke all of them in his day. Since he likes Orton's style he's going to go ahead and put him in the match, and if he wins he can enter the battle royal.
Evan Bourne vs. Randy Orton
Orton attacks immediately, and fires Bourne into the ringpost for a two count. Orton slingshots Bourne into the bottom rope, but Bourne comes back with a series of kicks. Bourne delivers a spin kick to the head, and then hits the double knee off the top rope for two. Bourne springboards off the second rope, but he's caught by Orton who delivers a powerslam. RKO finishes Bourne with ease at 1:29. Calm down IWC. I'd bet my house he's not going to actually win the battle royal. Winner: Randy Orton (Pinfall-RKO ½*)
-We get a montage of Vince and Jesse clips from the commentary days.
-Trailer for "The Marine 2" starring Ted Dibiase
Thanksgiving Melee Match: Jillian Hall, Michelle McCool, & Layla vs. Mickie James, Melina, & Kelly Kelly
The heels are dressed as Pilgrims, and the faces are the Indians. Michelle is not pleased at being dressed as a Pilgrim, but her promo is interrupted by Justin Roberts who brings out the special guest timekeeper The Gobbledy Gooker. The Indians got Tatanka's music for good measure. Melina starts things off with Jillian. Melina drives a shoulderblock to Jillian to the corner, but after an interesting looking move in the corner appears to fail Jillian takes control. Jillian hits a back elbow, and then whips Melina into the corner. Jillian goes for a handspring elbow, but gets caught and thrown to the mat by Melina for a two count. Melina knocks Michelle and Layla off the apron, and they say to hell with it and leave. Jillian wonders where they're going, and that allows Melina to hit a jackknife rollup for the pin at 1:59. Wow, that was all kinds of awful. Afterward Lawler goes into the ring for an interview with the faces, and the Gooker. The Gooker takes her head off to reveal that it is fact a returning Maryse and she blasts Melina with the Gooker head. Then she takes seemingly an hour to remove the Gooker outfit. This entire segment was just filled with fail. Winners: Mickie James, Melina, & Kelly Kelly (Melina pins Jillian-Jackknife Rollup -*)
D-Generation X vs. The Hart Dynasty (w. Natalya)
Shawn starts things out with Kidd, and hits a flying forearm off the ropes. Smith made a blind tag though and catches Shawn with a back suplex for two. Smith delivers a European upper cut, and stomps Shawn down in the corner before delivering a backbreaker for another two. Smith hits a drop toehold, and tags in Kidd who is in with a low dropkick. Kidd grabs a side headlock, and then a spinkick to the side of the head gets a two count. Tag to Smith who is in with the trademark Bulldog delayed vertical suplex. Smith grabs a rear chinlock, but Shawn counters by shoving him into the corner. They collide head to head out of the corner, and both men tag out. HHH hits a high knee on Kidd, and then follows up with a facebuster. Clothesline from HHH is followed by spinebusters for both Harts. HHH sets up for the Pedigree on Smith, but Kidd breaks that up. The distraction allows Smith to hit a big boot, and the Harts set up for the springboard Hart Attack. Shawn comes in though to superkick Smith to break it up, and HHH catches Kidd off the ropes with the Pedigree at 4:52. Wow, I usually don't complain about these things at all, but the Harts didn't come off well in this one at all. Horrible job all around both in the glorified squash, and not even touching on the whole Bret/Shawn storyline. Winners: D-Generation X (HHH pins Kidd-Pedigree **)
-Jericho is out to announce that he's been informed by Jesse Ventura that DX will face Jerishow for the titles at TLC, and he's out here alone because Big Show is on a vacation day. HHH interrupts to say they're not fooling anyone because they're in Hershey, and Big Show's over at the chocolate factory. Jericho says this is serious business, and Shawn agrees and says the one thing Ventura failed to tell him was that the match would be a TLC match. Shawn goes for his catchphrase, but Jericho has HEARD ENOUGH OF THEIR CATCHPHRASES! Jericho says he's the best in the world at what he does, and this isn't about their juvenile pranks. He says of all that DX has accomplished they have never been tag team champions, and that will not change. Jericho says after TLC they can go back to hawking their merchandise, and he will see be a tag team champion. Jericho says as long as he has the titles they never will.
-Rey's music plays, but instead of Rey we get Batista instead. He says Rey won't be joining us tonight, and in fact he'll be spending his Thanksgiving in a hospital bed. He says Rey has no one to blame but himself, as last month he stabbed Dave in the back costing him the World Heavyweight Title. He says he could have snapped him in half that night, but he didn't as he was the bigger man. He gave Rey the chance to walk away, but he didn't . Rey decided to stick out his little chest and be a tough guy. Rey chose to embarrass Batista, so last night at Survivor Series he chose to powerbomb Rey until the EMT's had to scrape him off a steel chair. He says that's why he's here tonight. He's putting everyone on notice. He says someone from Raw better win that battle royal, because of someone from Smackdown does he's going to hit the ring and make them wish they hadn't. He says Undertaker is his, and the World Title is his, and no one alive is going to stop him. That brings out Kane who wants to know what exactly constitutes disrespecting him? He asks if interrupting him as he stands in the ring making empty threats embarrass him? He says he hopes so because he wants to see what he will do about, and asks Dave to please make an example out of him. Dave thinks better of that, and slowly retreats with a sinister grin on his face.
Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifying Match: Cryme Tyme vs. The Legacy
Like the six man before it both members of the winning team advance to the title match. Dibiase is my longshot prediction for the battle royal winner. Call it a hunch. Rhodes starts with JTG. Facebuster out of the corner by JTG gets a two count, and Cody bails to the floor. He tags Ted in when coming back in, and Dibiase gains control of the match. Rhodes tags back in and hits a face first suplex before tagging back out to Dibaise. Dibiase hits a kick and tags in Rhodes who hits a dropkick for two. Cody grabs an armbar, but JTG comes free and is able to tag in Shad. Dibiase is in as well and gets hit with an inverted atomic drop, and flying shoulderblock. Dibiase stops a backdrop with a kick, but jumps into a bodyslam which Shad turns into a powerbomb. Rhodes breaks up the two count, and both he and JTG go heading to the floor. In the melee Dibiase is able to sneak up behind Shad and deliver Dream Street to qualify Legacy for the battle royal at 3:00. Much like most of the qualifying matches this was pretty excellerated. Winners: The Legacy (Dibiase pins Shad-Dream Street *)
-Gail Kim wants to say what she was thankful for, but Alicia interrupts and they tease the obligatory Thanksgiving food fight. Santino Marella interrupts and tells them they should not be fighting, but rather cooking for their husbands and boyfriends. He says his Thanksgiving wish is for all the divas to cook him a meal. That of course leads to Santino getting whacked with pies by various divas. Vickie is going to get in on the action, but of course she ends up taking the pie in her face instead.
Breakthrough Battle Royal-Participants: Kofi Kingston, Sheamus, R-Truth, Montel Vontavious Porter, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, Ted Dibiase, & Cody Rhodes
Jesse Ventura and Vince McMahon (complete with red bow tie and 80's music) are out for commentary of this one. Faces and heels square off and we get, you guessed it, A BIG BRAWL TO START! Orton slides to the floor to stay out of the fray, as everyone pairs off. I absolutely forgot how awesome the Vince/Jesse tandem was. Really exposes how bad the commentary is today. Standard battle royal fare with a bunch of guys pairing off trying to throw each other over the top. Shockingly R-Truth is the first to go (yes that was sarcasm) as he is tossed by Sheamus. Orton slides inside at his first opportunity and immediately goes after Kofi while Jesse complains about Sheamus's tan. Sheamus tosses MVP, but he runs into Henry who tries to slam him over the top. Legacy attacks, but that fails and my theory goes out the window as Henry eliminates both of them. That allows Sheamus to sneak up from behind eliminating Henry and we're left with just Sheamus, Orton, and Kofi. Sheamus watches the two rivals go at it, but then goes after Orton only to get hit with the inverted backbreaker. Kofi comes back with a dropkick, and hops to the top rope. Orton backdrops him to the apron, but Kofi skins the cat and ends up headscissoring Orton over the top to the floor. That leaves just Kofi and Sheamus, but that doesn't last long as Sheamus clotheslines Kofi over the top to the floor winning the battle royal at 6:25. He's apparently getting the Umaga memorial "monster fed to Cena feud." Hey you wanted different there you go. Winner: Sheamus (last eliminates Kingston **)
-Verne "Mini Me" Troyer will serve as Guest Host next week
-Jesse is in the ring with Sheamus for the contract signing between him and Cena for the WWE Title. Ventura calls Cena to the ring and he is out. Sheamus says he is the number one contender, and demands that Cena stand up and face him. Cena while still seated calmly says he's heard that a number of times before. He says usually the guy is a future hall of famer like HBK, HHH, or Randy Orton. Now its Sheamus demanding to face him. He asks why? Is it because he crippled a harmless announcer or retired a guy half his size? He says for the last eight years he's faced the best around, and is proud to stand before us a Champion. Not because he got lucky or because he preys on the week but because he never gives up. Cena goes into total over the top oversell mode, because he apparently knows that its going to take a miracle to get anyone to buy Sheamus as a main eventer already. He tells Sheamus he's not an announcer, and he will not be put in a retirement home. He says when he signs that paper he better be ready to go to war, and he better be ready to make a statement. Sheamus says he retires because he can, and he beats up hall of famers because he can. He says that's nothing compared to what he's going to do to him though. Both men sign the contract, but Jesse says he thinks there is a conspiracy in WWE to keep him champion. He says Cena is the perfect looking Champion that they want. Jesse says there was a time he didn't get a title shot because he was a rebel. They don't want someone like that. They want someone like him who fits the image. Cena gets in Jesse's face, but it's all a set up as Sheamus delivers a jumping big boot and throws Cena into the ringpost. He then powerslams Cena through the table, as Jesse announces that the match will be a table match. And the crowd goes mild. Sheamus stands over Cena holding the belt as you can hear a pindrop in the arena. Not in the "hushed silence" kind of way, but in the "really, this guy?" kind of way. Horrible idea.
-I loved the show until the end. I'm all for new guys getting their shot at the main event, but you at least have to spend SOME time establishing them before hotshotting them into a pay per view main event. While I'm sure some are lauding the WWE for trying something different this absolutely was not the way to go. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Sheamus is winning the belt which means the match has no heat. Not to mention the character has only really had a month of development in front of the entire audience. Orton would have been a better choice, and I'm totally serious. Enjoy your momentum Sheamus because it's about to die a horrible death.
Even though a new guy is getting a shot, people will still cry because they know Cena will win
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Sheamus takes the gold at TLC. Drops it the next night to HBK or some other face so Orton can take it at Royal Rumble.
Posted By: Cowboys are Terrible (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Sheamus is winning the belt which means the match has no heat.
100% correct. I was going to use the snowball analogy, but that works too. Sheamus is more boring than Randy Orton and I didn't think that was possible. A nice little snack for John Cena!
Posted By: Sheamus = Blah (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:21 PM
God damn... that Cena promo he gave at the end... I ain't heard a promo that gave me goose bumps in quite some time.
All the haters out there... THAT is why Cena is good. You hear that shit? THAT'S how you do a promo.
Posted By: Rant Casey (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:24 PM
I guess having Triple H singing your praises works wonders for your career, doesn't it, Sheamus?
Posted By: Jack Conner (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM
sheamus will win at TLC
Posted By: jeff (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Hey...let's try something. Instead of crapping all over everything sight unseen, let's just let it play out and see what will happen. If it ends up being crap, then crap on it all you want. But if it's good, then you won't look like a total tool by crapping all over it.
As King says, "Keep your words soft and sweet, because you may end up eating them."
Posted By: SlickRick1987 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Well the WWE did kinda shot themselves in the foot themsleves by waiting until, metaphorically speaking, the last minute to push new talent. The WWE don't want to go face v face twice in a row so who else do we have? Swagger and The Miz. Guys Cena has already beaten. It would have helped if they realised before now that Cena has no more main event heels to feud with so they had to hot shot someone in there.
Posted By: Ravenite (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM
To the critic. You complain for giving the same thing week after, they finally do something different and its still not good enough. No wonder they say the IWC sucks. Can't win over the IWC for nothing.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM
So Nigle shows up in tna out of no wear and murders angle and its all "oh TNA is so Smart"
The WWE pushes a guy whos at least had some months of development
and its a bad Thing?
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Yea its too soon to give Sheamus a title shot. But hey, it least its not Orton, again.
Posted By: Guest#4191 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM
yay first to post a comment....
but yah 1st off i agree with you all the way wtf is the wwe smoking!? it shouldve been kofi then when the title match comes around orton & legacy (they gotta start doing the jump segments like awhile back lol) jump kofi and punt him DQing john cena.
and 2nd sheamus's move is called the celtic bomb i think if not it should be
Posted By: perry (the blacko rican) (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM
god, nothing makes people happy...
Posted By: lamore (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Everytime I see Sheamus all I can think of is "Albino Adam Savage".
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I'm getting pushed faster than Brock Lesnar
Posted By: Sheamus (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM
The crowd was soooooooooooo DEAD tonight. They didn't pop for shit
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:32 PM
Show started out great but then fizzled. Kinda like Tony Romo. Are we really suppose to buy Sheamus a guy who hasn't been here half a year as a contender? He has done basically nothing major unless you count beating some no names. This is going to backfire and backfire big time. If you ask the a regular WWE fan about Sheamus they would say "Who?" I know they need new main eventers and matchups but this is going to blow big time. What may I ask was wrong with a Kingston-Cena matchup? At least then people would be interested.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Vince and Jesse were HORRIBLE on commentary.
It makes me appreciate how good Cole really is
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Wow, in the past 7 days WWE has really gotten serious about pushing new people, I still expect people to complain, even though they're giving us what we've been asking for: something different.
Posted By: Guest#4058 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:35 PM
While it has been a while, we've pretty much seen this feud before with Umaga/Khali. I am not impressed.
Posted By: August (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Maryse IS BACK!!! YAY!!!
Posted By: Guest#5351 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Aside from the always clumsy, pointless divas bathroom break and corny comedy sketches it was a good show tonight. Jesse is gold and sets a new standard for guest hosts. I didn't mind the short matches so much because they were needed to build towards the battle royale. Cena/Punk was great. I hope they get a chance at a genuine fued with better matches.
I have no clue were the E will take it from here, but at least they appear to be attempting to make new stars.Aside from the obvious choices of Kofi&Seamus there's alot of talent on the show.Let's hope it get s the chance to shine. Speaking of shining, how awesome were Vinny Mac and the Gov at the announce table? That 5 minutes made it clear how terrible Lawler and especialy Cole truely are. Good show tonight but not great and I imagine much better then next weeks coming train wreck.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Great promo at the end, for a guy who debuted on Raw a month ago, they got me interested in that match right there.
Posted By: Guest#3508 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:40 PM
The whole idea of "establishing" someone before giving them a main event position is such a new concept in wrestling. And is bullshit. Just push someone who hasn't been treated like a joke on TV.
Posted By: Guest#7936 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:40 PM
So, why wasn't ECW part of this show?
Posted By: Guest#9710 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Out of all the guys that could have been the #1 Contender, it has to be the least interesting person.
Posted By: Guest#2537 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM
How hot was Maryse? Loved that segment coming out of the Gobblygooker suit lol.
Posted By: Guest#3737 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Maryse had zero crowd reaction. Like the crowd went "Whodafuck?"
She's anorexic looking too...not good.
Posted By: Guest#8172 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 PM
DX v Jericho/Show TLC match = Epic!
But I thought Show was injured and taking time off?
Posted By: Guest#7659 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Sheamus? great give it the most boring heel. Orton was bad enough
Posted By: Guest#5447 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM
IWC: I am so sick of Orton/Cena/HHH. When will someone new get a shot?
WWE: Someone new can have a shot.
IWC: But he has not had enough time. He's not established. Boohoo. Why not Orton or HHH?
Shut. Up.
Posted By: Guest#0626 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Stuff!
Posted By: Yep (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Maryse has brought sexy back to RAW.
Posted By: Marv (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Cena and Punk will have a great rivalry down the road I'm sure, tonight was a nice little preview.
Posted By: Guest#1171 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Maryse IS BACK!!! YAY!!!
Posted By: Guest#5351 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Her one and only fan I'm sure. The crowd died at the sight of her. the divas segment was garbage once again.
Posted By: Guest#8709 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:46 PM
One more tidbit... For all of you who constantly refer to the IWC, I've got a newsflash. When your reading and posting on a smart mark wrestling website, registering your thoughts and half-cocked theories you are the IWC. You are no better or worse than anyone else doing the same damn thing you are. So stop talking about it like you're not a part of it, you sound ridiculous. Thank you
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM
How hot was Maryse? Loved that segment coming out of the Gobblygooker suit lol.
Posted By: Guest#3737 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:42 PM
You must really dig the stick-figure look
Posted By: Guest#2814 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM
This is EXACTLY why u get rid of the brand split....
With all these midcards in the WWE u can build them in a year or two instead of a decent midcarder jumping to the main event after 2 months..........
Maybe sheamus has potential maybe he doesnt but putting him into the main event right away was a BAD IDEA....
Posted By: Marco (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM
I've beaten nobody except Jamie Noble, but I'll still draw a bigger buyrate than a TNA PPV.
Posted By: Sheamus (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Get over the IWC bashing. Sheamus is crap deal with it.
Posted By: Guest#1449 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Maryse is scary thin. The removal of the suit should have been sexy. Instead I thought her rail thin legs would snap under the weight of her extensions. Fuck...
Posted By: rhy (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:51 PM
You know it's almost time for the Road to Wrestlemania when Raw starts having good shows.
Posted By: Guest#0866 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM
It's great that they're going out of they way to push new talent, but I can't be the only one who is very underwhelmed by Sheamus. He looks goofy, is nothing special in the ring, and has no charisma to speak of.
It's one thing for a Brock Lesnar to skyrocket in a short span of time. But a guy like Sheamus just doesn't bring anything to the table that makes it believable. At least not at this point in his career. I'm actually wondering if in the coming weeks he'll lose the shot to someone else.
Posted By: Zipper (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Get over the IWC bashing. Sheamus is crap deal with it.
Posted By: Guest#1449 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM
I think this push is too soon, but I've been impressed with Sheamus, he's good in the ring, at least it's something new.
Posted By: Guest#4038 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:54 PM
You know Orton is going to play into this main event and I think that it is possible that Sheamus could win it via Orton shenanigans in order for him to get a shot at the title.
Table match at TLC with much Orton-ference to mask Sheamus' greeness, followed by a 3 way with Orton, Cena and Sheamus also to mask Sheamus' greeness.
Orton or Cena wins that and we are on the "Road to Wrestlemania" (Where Sheamus will probably have a curtain jerker with Kofi Kingston.)
Posted By: LordViperScorpion (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Marco you are exactly right...
If the shows were combined u can have all these midcarders go at each other for a year or two then give them their pushes.
Its been the same shit for a while on raw with dx and orton and cena then all the sudden sheamus is in the MAIN EVENT??????
Wheres the Build up for this guy???
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Thanks to my good mate Trips for burying everyone else so I can waltz straight into the main event. Kiss my ass MVP and Swagger. Boy, did i pick the right friend.
Posted By: Sheamus (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 PM
It doesn't matter that Vince's voice was hoarse... we witnessed WWE history. It was 1989 all over again, and we heard two wrestling icons reunite. I hope the IWC appreciated what they saw heard. For old school fans, it sounded like the glory days.
Posted By: Kudos to WWE (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:58 PM
this was a good show could have been better but damn did gail kim look hot all dressed up kind of remind me of my ex which sucks balls and its great to see maryse back who is the hottest diva ever
Posted By: Guest#2087 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Awesome Raw! Ventura as host, new blood in the main event, a good Punk/Cena match, pie in Vickie's face, McMahon/Ventura commentary, DX finally facing Jericho/Show for the titles (although I think that should have been at Survivor Series), this was just a top notch show. The only thing I didn't enjoy was Cole's repeated reminder that this was a special 3 hour Thanksgiving edition. At one point he said it twice within about a one minute period!
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:04 AM
I doubt Sheamus will actually main event. Kofi should be the one with the shot, everybody knows it, but maybe they're going to have him win the Rumble.
Posted By: Guest#0031 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Jesse Ventura was awesome tonight
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM
"Get over the IWC bashing. Sheamus is crap deal with it."
Although I find it odd were supposed to trust someone who couldn't even be bothered to give any reason for it... Kinda makes you seem like the dumbass.
Posted By: Lardo (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Isn't this supposed to be the way battle royals work? So why the heat for Sheamus winning it? I have absolutely no problems with Sheamus being the number 1 contender. Ok, he has had no build up, so what?
The guy took his chances. The psychology was good here. He is a big dude so he had his way with the smaller men and when 2 bigger stars in Kofi and Orton were left, he intelligently side stepped letting them fight and took his opportunity. This shows he is not the generic monster like Khali or Umaga but a cool and conniving big guy who is ready to bide his time.
So if Sheamus puts on a good show with Cena at TLC and still loses, its gonna do him a world of good. And I expect the match not to be a squash coz the dude is supported by HHH.
Posted By: Sparrow (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Hey take it easy boys. I kinda dig Seamus, he has a good unique look and character. I think he can pull off the psychotic, heartless duechebag heel pretty well. Let's see how they sell his title shot and whether they give him some more credibility before we dump all over him. Maybe I'm in the minority on this but I thought he did an excellent job tonight and I'm eager to see where it goes. At least its something new, and that's a step in the right direction.
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Okay, to those of you extolling the virtue of Sheamus in a title match, tell me this - why should I care?
I mean they've done a brilliant job building Kofi as the fly in Orton's ointment. Sheamus in his time on Raw on the other hand has retired I guy who hardly ever appears anyway, beaten up the timekeeper and beaten up an announcer, all to the apathy of the audience.
And the main thing is, where does he go once Cena beats him. The Miz' feud with Cena went so well that his character had to be completely overhauled to get the heat back. Sheamus has no heat at all and Cena easily defeating him will do more harm than good.
Posted By: Ravenite (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Way too soon for Sheamus. I was hoping for Ted to win. I think that would have been much more entertaining. Still get Kofi / Orton and Ted starts to do a face turn at the same time.
I like Sheamus but his last real feud was with...Goldust!
Posted By: Morgan Fisher (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:11 AM
ppl are getting pushes and fans keep bitching I DONT GET IT
Posted By: OreO (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:15 AM
This is beyond ridiculous, does Shaemus have any chance of winning AT ALL?!
Posted By: .... against SuperCena?! (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Maryse sucks. She's already jumped the shark in terms of her looks. She is still more attractive than Melina, but then again, so is Sheamus.
Posted By: Guest#4998 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
I don't think Sheamus is a bad choice to the TLC slot. He showed alot of promise over on ECW, and I honestly would rather he gets jobbed out for the WWE Title (which will be at least 13 minutes) rather then get squashed in 5-10 minutes by Cena. At least he has the title match, and he's getting the semi-monster push. Umaga got it three years ago and it worked quite well, although I see Sheamus actually getting the belt. Don't ask me why, but wouldn't it be absolutely nuts if Sheamus won the title (Orton can get a shot if Cena drops it, so Orton & Legacy can help if they want, but I'd rather see Sheamus win it clean, but the interference of Miz &/or Legacy would be perfectly fine).
I am excited for this match, and can't wait. Tables is kinda lame, but it makes a way for Cena to lose without making Sheamus "seemingly impossible to beat". Infact, because it's a tables match, I bet $50 Cena loses...
Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Dear WWE:
Please don't limit your hate to Mickie. Why not fire every diva in the company? They are all fucking useless.
Love, the WWE Universe
Posted By: Guest#9704 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM
I think this push is too soon, but I've been impressed with Sheamus, he's good in the ring, at least it's something new.
Posted By: Guest#4038 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:54 PM
You know, it's really NOT anything new. This is the exact same thing they did with Brock Lesnar. Actually I think Shaemus has done it faster.
Especially since now they're billing him as "undefeated".
Posted By: skull first (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM
does any realize that the only reason why sheamus is getting such a huge push is because he was trained by tripl h. triple h even said that sheamus shall be the next big thing.
Posted By: mike (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:23 AM
And Nobody Mentions the fact they ignored both Mark Henry and Chavo's ECW title reigns
Posted By: Mikey (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:30 AM
DX is finally going for the tag straps! You know JeriShow is gonna have to drop them at TLC so Jericho can move on to bigger and better things *coughworldtitlecough*.
But who knows someone mentioned that DX is "above the tag titles". Trips and Shawn have both had the belts but just not together.
Posted By: Papa Shango (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:33 AM
So Nigle shows up in tna out of no wear and murders angle and its all "oh TNA is so Smart"
The WWE pushes a guy whos at least had some months of development
and its a bad Thing?
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
There's a difference dummy! Everyone knew who Nigel McGuiness was in RoH and they knew his potential to put on 5* match with a guy like Angle. No way will Sheamus put on any kind of match like that with Cena.
The problem with the WWE is that they've developed such an ADD mentality that they have no concept on how to build up a guy to make him look like a realistic championship threat. Seriously, they have turned potential stars like MVP and Swagger and made them into mid-card fodder.
Not saying that everyone has to be on an even level, but unless someone beats the WWE's holy trinity (HHH, Cena, Undertaker) in a feud no one will take these guys seriously.
Perfect example: CM Punk. How on earth did the WWE blow a potential PPV feud by having Cena pin him cleanly, with NO buildup on FREE TV? Ridiculous! This is the crap people give TNA all of the time.
I really want to enjoy the WWE but I can't when they start and abort pushes too soon.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Just happy Orton is out of the picture. Sheamus doesn't interest me but oh well
Posted By: rhy (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:36 AM
to the guy who compared sheamus to nigel.
nigel is a former multiple time champ in roh. been around for years, and wrestling fans know who he is. sheamus did not accomplish half the stuff nigel has.
but playing the devil's advocate, the casual fan wouldnt tell the difference like we could, so eh.
Posted By: voice of reason (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Screw Sheamus. He's boring as hell. I hope Cena squashes his ass at TLC.
Posted By: Peep#5832 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Cena's promo at the end was great. the crowd was dead tonight and I didn't think they could be anymore hushed then when Sheamus beat down Cena. Maybe it'll get better...never know...
At least it's someone new...undeserved but new and best of all NOT ORTON
Posted By: Guest#6215 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:38 AM
I have no problem with Sheamus winning. Any thing bot Orton vs Cens #1324231.
I love how people are tired of the same old thing, then gripe when the WWE does something different.
I think Sheamus wins, then looses at the next PPV in a 3 way against Orton and Cena.
This give Sheamus instant credibility for down the road and gets the belt back to Orton.
Then Kofi vs Orton at Wrestlemania for the title. Orton beats Kofi at TLC, but losses at Mania.
I'm just glad we don't get HHH, HBK or Orton vs Cena for at least one PPV.
Posted By: kolop1 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:38 AM
I was actually more interested in Cena/Ventura not the fight but their banter was fantastic.
If Ventura was a mouthpiece for Sheamus it could work. Otherwise I can understand the Sheamus bashing he just doesn't seem very interesting. But it's still early in the game.
Posted By: Guest#1652 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Okay, so we have one camp of people who are thrilled to see a new talent like Sheamus getting a shot, and another camp of people who are pissed because it's Sheamus and he sucks. Perhaps I can address this whole situation in a way that satisfies everyone...
Yes, everyone is tired of HHH/Cena/Orton main events. We all would like to see new talent elevated to the main event. However, the talent who is pushed to that level should actually deserve the promotion. So yes, on the one hand it may seem hypocritical to get upset about this Sheamus push, but just because we want new talent on top doesn't mean we want ANY new talent on top. There should still be standards for main eventing (i.e. being over with the crowd, having defeated opponents with credibility, etc).
Sheamus ain't over folks, and the only person of any value that he beat is Finlay (and Finlay is a glorified jobber at this point). Right now, Sheamus is Test minus the charisma and presence. Perhaps Sheamus can be something in time (personally, I don't see it), but either way it is wayyy too early for this kind of spotlight. That's why people are pissed about Sheamus.
Trust me, if they had elevated someone like Ted DiBiase or even Jack Swagger, you probably wouldn't hear as many complaints.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM
"Get over the IWC bashing. Sheamus is crap deal with it."
Although I find it odd were supposed to trust someone who couldn't even be bothered to give any reason for it... Kinda makes you seem like the dumbass.
Posted By: Lardo (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:09 AM
The IWC bashing is really pathetic. Makes you look like a hypocrite. "We're hating on you because you hate on everything..." It's about as lame as the Vintage Cole crap.
Posted By: Jaxon (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Not saying that everyone has to be on an even level, but unless someone beats the WWE's holy trinity (HHH, Cena, Undertaker) in a feud no one will take these guys seriously.
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i bet you can't sleep at night when HHH wins...how sad
Posted By: Guest#8821 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:45 AM
I wasn't exactly expecting Sheamus but at least it wasn't Orton ^__^
Posted By: Phil (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:46 AM
You are now realizing that Sheamus only eliminated black people from the Battle Royal.
Posted By: Guest#6099 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM
I've beaten nobody except Jamie Noble, but I'll still draw a bigger buyrate than a TNA PPV.
Posted By: Sheamus (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:49 PM
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Nobody wants to see Sheamus
Posted By: Guest#3993 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:50 AM
There were so many ways they could have gone. Dibiase getting the shot would have been great for tension with he and Orton. Kofi would have been great, especially if there was an added stip about no outside interference. I was pulling for MVP, but knew he was on the back burner for now. Sheamus? I give them credit for pushing the guy. I think the contract signing was rushed. I think you save that for the first segment next week, with everything but the conspiracy crap and the table spot. Then Cena has a match at the end of RAW (maybe vs. Rhodes or Dibiase) and after Cena wins, Sheamus destroys him. Simple & effective.
Posted By: WWEfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Maryse sucks. She's already jumped the shark in terms of her looks. She is still more attractive than Melina, but then again, so is Sheamus.
Posted By: Guest#4998 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Ouch but yeah at least Maryse isn't manly. Kelly Kelly comes to mind Fuck her body doesn't justify that face. You can have sex with plastic...same thing. She always looks like she's a squinting tranny.
Has Maryse always been rail-thin?
Posted By: Guest#8387 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:53 AM
You are now realizing that Sheamus only eliminated black people from the Battle Royal.
Posted By: Guest#6099 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM
CONSPIRACY!
Posted By: Guest#0182 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Why not "The Miz"?
Posted By: who cares (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM
IWC: I am so sick of Orton/Cena/HHH. When will someone new get a shot?
WWE: Someone new can have a shot.
IWC: But he has not had enough time. He's not established. Boohoo. Why not Orton or HHH?
Shut. Up.
Posted By: Guest#0626 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
couldn't have said it better myself.
also whats with the hating of giving punk/cena on free tv? who gives a shit about buyrates? isnt being a wrestling fan enjoying a wrestling match and not counting how much money the match made?
Posted By: I.C (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM
There's a difference dummy! Everyone knew who Nigel McGuiness was in RoH and they knew his potential to put on 5* match
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM
NOBODY knew or knows who nigel mcguiness is.
Posted By: Nigel who????? (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:07 AM
All the haters out there... THAT is why Cena is good. You hear that shit? THAT'S how you do a promo<
Actually, anything that comes out of Punk's mouth is how to do a promo
Cena's generic, nay, GERIATRIC 1980S promos are supported by apologists who choose not to like anything diverse and innovative. Just the same static s*it
To quote Punk: HOORAY FOR MEDIOCRITY!
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:11 AM
What needed to make this the best RAW in years would be for Jesse to have rung the bell, Sheamus puts his foot on Cena, a three count from guest referee, the rule-bending/rule-making "govenor", and a new champion crowned.
The IWC crying like the worthless change-fearing morons they are would have been delicious
Posted By: Life (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:15 AM
Maryse IS BACK!!! YAY!!!
Posted By: Guest#5351 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Her one and only fan I'm sure. The crowd died at the sight of her. the divas segment was garbage once again
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She's a beautiful woman. She can stay on my TV.
Posted By: Guest#9779 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:15 AM
So Nigle shows up in tna out of no wear and murders angle and its all "oh TNA is so Smart"
The WWE pushes a guy whos at least had some months of development
and its a bad Thing?
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
There's a difference dummy! Everyone knew who Nigel McGuiness was in RoH and they knew his potential to put on 5* match with a guy like Angle. No way will Sheamus put on any kind of match like that with Cena.
The problem with the WWE is that they've developed such an ADD mentality that they have no concept on how to build up a guy to make him look like a realistic championship threat. Seriously, they have turned potential stars like MVP and Swagger and made them into mid-card fodder.
Not saying that everyone has to be on an even level, but unless someone beats the WWE's holy trinity (HHH, Cena, Undertaker) in a feud no one will take these guys seriously.
Perfect example: CM Punk. How on earth did the WWE blow a potential PPV feud by having Cena pin him cleanly, with NO buildup on FREE TV? Ridiculous! This is the crap people give TNA all of the time.
I really want to enjoy the WWE but I can't when they start and abort pushes too soon.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM
This was a very amusing rant. You should work for WWE. You can write better material than them. I can't wait to see it. Are you the writer for TLC? That would be great. When the CM Punk v. Cena feud is still good, we won't hold these early comments against you.
Posted By: just some mark (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:21 AM
Match has no heat... If Sheamus had maybe destroyed or beaten a legit main eventer instead of like Finlay and Jamie Noble, it might've been better. I would've preferred to have Kofi win it and have he and Cena do a respect thing for the title, while say during the battle royal, DiBiase eliminates Orton and then you could turn Ted, which has been SLOW burning for months. It's a better idea than this, at least.
Posted By: Doc (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:28 AM
"Maryse had zero crowd reaction. Like the crowd went "Whodafuck?""
Except for the whole part once she ditched the costume and they could see that it was Maryse, there was a mostly babyface reaction to her posing and hair flip with some slight boos.
Or maybe that doesn't count or something.
Posted By: Guest#7556 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:45 AM
Amidst all this IWC and Sheamus bashing, no one seems to be acknowledging how fucking awesome it was that Vince McMahon came to the ring with Animotion blaring over the sound system.
Posted By: PremiumBlandrew (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:48 AM
As someone pointed out earlier, the problem isn't the WWE pushing new talents. I think everyone agrees that they really need to do that.
But just because you need to push new people doesn't mean you just choose ANYONE.
Sheamus is a character that is way too early in its developing stages to get a legit title shot against Cena.
He barely gets heat from the crowd and it's going to be very hard to convince anyone in three weeks that he poses a real threat to Cena. His push just seems to random ( that's onscreen, we know this is most likely Hunter's idea backstage ).
Meanwhile, they had other, more realistic options in Kofi, and especially Ted in the match! If they were planning on having Ted turn, it could have started with Randy going ballistic that Ted was getting a title shot before him and trying to jeopardize his opportunity.
Ted may not have the most interesting persona, but he's at least stood up to Randy in the past and has looked strong against DX on PPV.
Sheamus beat up Jaime Noble and Finlay...see the difference.
Posted By: Irene (Registered) on November 24, 2009 at 01:52 AM
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Sheamus is winning the belt which means the match has no heat.
If I was Randy Orton, I'd screw Cena out of the title so I'd get that title ban off my back.
Sheamus will be a transitional champion. Why? Because he's a part of Hunter Hearst Helmsey-McMahon's clique.
Posted By: The IWC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:54 AM
Boy, the "IWC Smarks" (as opposed to the SMART IWC) are genetically annoying or what? Who would you pick as the next opponent for Cena? Kofi? Stuck with Orton, who was stuck (and still wants to) to Cena. Swagger? He's not being pushed right now? Miz? US Champ who'd need more building to feud Cena again. DX or Orton again? Gimme a break!! WWE picked the BEST possible feud with Cena right now. By the way they've been booking things, Sheamus was the ONLY possible choice.
Posted By: mr_wonderful (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:54 AM
Danny Flexon: Finally, are you mentoring any WWE wrestler in particular? And in who, do you see the most of the young Triple H?
HHH: The closest to me is probably Sheamus, because we always train together on the road. But I try to watch all the young guys' matches and give them advice, if they want to hear it. If they take advice to heart and really want to improve, them I am wanting to help. As for seeing some of myself in someone? That's tough. Sheamus just the other day showed up at a show he didn't have to be at. He does whatever he's asked to do without complaining, he goes to every show and is always wanting to work: he does it all, goes above and beyond. That's what I was like.
Posted By: WHY SHEMAS IS BEING PUSHED (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:55 AM
Maryse sucks. She's already jumped the shark in terms of her looks. She is still more attractive than Melina, but then again, so is Sheamus.
Posted By: Guest#4998 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Ouch but yeah at least Maryse isn't manly. Kelly Kelly comes to mind Fuck her body doesn't justify that face. You can have sex with plastic...same thing. She always looks like she's a squinting tranny.
Has Maryse always been rail-thin?
Posted By: Guest#8387 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Maryse is skinnier than before, but I always thought she was a little overrated in the looks department anyway. Very cute, but not quite what some are making her out to be.
This group of divas has to be the least attractive group of women they have had in years. You have a couple of cute ones(Maryse, Layla), but overall I'm not impressed. It's sort of funny, but if you can look past her big physique, Beth might actually be the prettiest woman on the roster.
Posted By: Guest#0470 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:56 AM
What a horrible crowd tonight.
Posted By: Guest#0609 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:05 AM
IWC: I am so sick of Orton/Cena/HHH. When will someone new get a shot?
WWE: Someone new can have a shot.
IWC: But he has not had enough time. He's not established. Boohoo. Why not Orton or HHH?
Shut. Up.
Posted By: Guest#0626 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Thank you sir. Never can understand how 'some', not all but 'some' repeat the cycle of bashing WWE for years and years and continue to watch, only to come online and crap on the product, but be sure to watch the next show.
Posted By: Jackson (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:06 AM
Shemus? Really? He just hot shoted way over the midcard past others....is this HHH's doing. Please never let him run this company full time.
Posted By: ??? (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:07 AM
So Nigle shows up in tna out of no wear and murders angle and its all "oh TNA is so Smart"
The WWE pushes a guy whos at least had some months of development
and its a bad Thing?
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
There's a difference dummy! Everyone knew who Nigel McGuiness was in RoH and they knew his potential to put on 5* match with a guy like Angle. No way will Sheamus put on any kind of match like that with Cena.
The problem with the WWE is that they've developed such an ADD mentality that they have no concept on how to build up a guy to make him look like a realistic championship threat. Seriously, they have turned potential stars like MVP and Swagger and made them into mid-card fodder.
Not saying that everyone has to be on an even level, but unless someone beats the WWE's holy trinity (HHH, Cena, Undertaker) in a feud no one will take these guys seriously.
Perfect example: CM Punk. How on earth did the WWE blow a potential PPV feud by having Cena pin him cleanly, with NO buildup on FREE TV? Ridiculous! This is the crap people give TNA all of the time.
I really want to enjoy the WWE but I can't when they start and abort pushes too soon.
Posted By: Orlando (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:35 AM
None of the Casuals know who the fuck Nigel as, hes just some guy that showed up
this is no Different
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:10 AM
couldn't have said it better myself.
also whats with the hating of giving punk/cena on free tv? who gives a shit about buyrates? isnt being a wrestling fan enjoying a wrestling match and not counting how much money the match made?
Posted By: I.C (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM
we only have the WWEs best interests in mind when we complain about things like that. Why? Because we care.
Posted By: the IWC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:20 AM
Funny that R-Truth was in the battle royal since he is actually a former TNA World Champion. Also, will Jesse's commentary be edited out if tonight's battle royal is included on the Best of RAW 2009 DVD?
Posted By: jasonel (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:25 AM
Anyone else catch the "GOVERNER " Jesse Ventura botch at the beginning?
Posted By: Guest#5049 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:30 AM
most of you are so damn stupid .WHY not sheamus the guy is a freak strong fast mean cuts a good promo dominated at the ppv.You idiots wanna talk boring kofi is boring he has three moves and sucks at promos
Posted By: disco inferno (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:30 AM
I theenk it wood hav bin alaht funneir if seena tohld shaymus thaht hee poops in hiz pahnts
Posted By: 6 year old WWE fan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:31 AM
While I agree with the Maryse comments how she is not attractive. I dont know how you gay guys can say that Melina isn't attractive. She is hot, there is nothing wrong with her face at all. When she was a heel she used to make ugly faces which is apart of her job as a heel. But she has a gorgeous smile that makes her face look beautiful. Just like Layla, Layla make ugly faces due to her being a heel but when she smile she is gorgeous. For the guy that said sheamus is better looking then Melina maybe we should question your sexuality and if you dont like Melina or think she is pretty maybe you guys are gay. I will continue to love seeing her splits and flexibility. I am pretty sure half of you guys haven't had a girl that looks as good looking as Melina. I'M JUST SAYING FAGS!
Posted By: hartfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:32 AM
most of you are so damn stupid .WHY not sheamus the guy is a freak strong fast mean cuts a good promo dominated at the ppv.You idiots wanna talk boring kofi is boring he has three moves and sucks at promos
Posted By: disco inferno (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:38 AM
Why's everybody always picking on me?
Posted By: Sheamus (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:38 AM
most of you are so damn stupid .WHY not sheamus the guy is a freak strong fast mean cuts a good promo dominated at the ppv.You idiots wanna talk boring kofi is boring he has three moves and sucks at promos
Posted By: disco inferno (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:39 AM
Didn't sound like the crowd gave a crap about Sheamus
Posted By: Guest#7716 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:41 AM
I thought Raw tonight was very entertaining and I fully expected to jump on the message board to read how great everyone thought the show was. I mean despite Melina having to sell getting hit with a Gobbleygooker head that is. But to my suprise, most people are taking a dump on the show. I can only imagine what would have happened if Orton had walked away with the win, but yet I have read comments and even the main article said he should have walked away with the title shot. I think the website would have exploded had that happened with comments like, again, or same ol same ol, where are the new stars, etc. I do agree that Sheamus has not been built up far enough for this spot. I mean a few months back he was losing to Goldust. I was hoping Christian was going to somehow be involved, but I'm willing to see where they go with this. I am glad however that it isn't Orton vs Cena again. This match was stale 2 years ago, let alone months ago. Jesse Ventura was great TV, and hearing him and Vince together was gold and brought back all kinds of good memories, I ate up every single last drop. The greatness of the show outweighed the bad. Was it perfect? No, like I said, Melina had to sell the head of the Gobbleygooker like it was steel plated. Melinas acting as a heel was good, Melina as a face with the fake smiles and lame promos are very bad. Maryse has nothing to offer except that speak to the hand thing, and the hair flip, both of which she does over and over because she has nothing else. Mickie not wrestling, I wanted to see her wrestle in that skirt, I am a Mickie James fan for many reasons. The DX/Hart match was a disgrace. Both Shawn and Hunter looked old out there. I like HBK, but he was looking like he had swine flu or something. CM Punk and Cena was a good match, the Finlay squash was fun, the announcing with Vince and Ventura was great to hear, the Saturday Nights Maun event music was great, the tuxedo was fun. I had a blast watching the show tonight and thats all that counts. I am willing to see where they go with this, I am happy to see new talent elevated. Sheamus has potential. I don't know who he pissed off, but Swagger has potential. I don't see any potential in Drew Mcintyre, like nothing, not the look, the promo or moves of a future anything. I enjoyed tonights show, it was different, it was fun, and as a fan, thats what I am looking for.
Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:41 AM
Trust me, if they had elevated someone like Ted DiBiase or even Jack Swagger, you probably wouldn't hear as many complaints.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM
The only place Ted Dibiase deserves a push is in front of a bus.
Good RAW.
Posted By: Viper Fontaine (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:42 AM
Vince McMahon should give it up and shut this shitty company down. TNA is Wrestling, WWE is dysentery.
Posted By: Doug Lashaby (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:42 AM
One more tidbit... For all of you who constantly refer to the IWC, I've got a newsflash. When your reading and posting on a smart mark wrestling website, registering your thoughts and half-cocked theories you are the IWC. You are no better or worse than anyone else doing the same damn thing you are. So stop talking about it like you're not a part of it, you sound ridiculous. Thank you
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM
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So by your logic, if I visit Mexico and take part in their culture, that makes me a Mexican?
Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:51 AM
Raw is Race War! And it was won by the whitest "who?" of them all. 3 Black guys defeat 3 vanilla white boys. Oily white fellow takes out the Puerto Rican and beats the other white guy (who may be a jew) to get in. And two rich crackers beat two street savvy homeboys to get in there. Indians took on the Pilgrims. And a midget sued the elderly men that beat him up. TV-PG baby. It's subtle.
Posted By: Sappdaddy (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:52 AM
Can I sue the wwe for having to watch Sheamus, he caused me to have a seisure, that pale skin needs a tan.
Posted By: chewb (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:01 AM
I'm sorry but Sheamus just isn't worth pushing. Zero charisma, zero ring skills, moon tan = Zero chance of beating CENA. No heat, no buys. Typical wwe.
Posted By: Wet Blankey (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:16 AM
To me it looks as though they're going back to the old school Hogan "monster of the month" booking they did years ago.
Earthquake, Zeus etc.... they hot shotted a guy once every 3 to 6 months for Hogan to fued with in the mainevent just so that he could chop them down...maybe this is what it is....guess we'll just have to watch and see....
Posted By: Industry (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:16 AM
So, the break-up of DX will be all about them having problems with midgets? Nice. Then again, I guess it's about the faction going full circle before it's demise.
Posted By: Mobile Snot (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:19 AM
Ventura's "I smell a conspiracy here. Cena, you're a genetically -manufactured corporate champion" promo at the end was SICK!!! Though the green Sheamus (he clearly isn't ready for a PPV title, but it might as well be a crappy gimmicky PPV if they're gonna give him one so early) was the beneficiary, Jesse made the last segment entertaining and watchable.
Posted By: onephatdude (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:21 AM
It wasn't perfect, but Jesse and Vince on the announcing team again was great. Kind of hard for Vince to really be "that announcer guy" anymore, but Jesse made the old college try with it and to be honest - Vince actally seems like he could be a better announcer now than he was when he was doing it all the time. That's saying something.
Posted By: fg76 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:27 AM
Again, WWE is pushing NEW talent and the IWC is not satisfied! Whatever! Then again, the IWC is not in charge, maybe thats a good thing.
IWC vs. Relax, it's just wrestling casual fan crowds.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:31 AM
The crowd definitely was dead for Sheamus at the end. Unfortunate because I actually like his character and look. Maybe he will put on a good match (or maybe the "E" somehow changes this i.e. maybe Orton attacks Sheamus and steals the title shot somehow ) . I know alot of people are bitching about this but give it a shot. Also, I will disagree with most on one thing. Sheamus is more believable and interesting than Swagger and his lisp. Swagger's character bores the hell outta me.
Posted By: Tbone3771 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:33 AM
Very funny, exactly where is this proof that Sheamus is HHH's friend, and that HHH has lobbied for him? Oh that's right, there isn't any. Also, I hate to break it to whomever said that HHH trained him, well, guess what, Larry Sharpe over in europe trained him. I also find it very funny that everyone loved Sheamus, but now that he is in a main event, people turn on him. Very pathetic, but I'm not surprised from people who basically get their information from hacks like Dave Meltzer. Get a clue.
Posted By: Dan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:09 AM
A couple of questions that I want to ask.
1)Why did Orton not cost Kofi the win?
2)Why was there no DX follow-up?
I'd have rathered Ted to win over Sheamus as then you could slow build the apparently inevitable Ted Orton feud whoile doing the Kofi feud, let Kofi win MITB and have two stars built out of it
Posted By: Chaos Effect (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:30 AM
For all the people who say they should scrap the Divas and they get no reaction....have you not heard the reactions Kelly Kelly gets?? WWE must push her as the top face. She is over, hot, young and can do flashy things in the ring. She has the most upside of all the Divas because of her age. She IS the face of the Divas (the 7-11 deal) and WWE can milk her for at least another 10 years. Next time she comes out listen to the crowd, they love her. Her smile is the nicest too.
Posted By: Guest#8780 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:36 AM
All the haters out there... THAT is why Cena is good. You hear that shit? THAT'S how you do a promo.
Posted By: Rant Casey (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:24 PM
That's how you do a promo? What, just scream everything?
All I heard was "WAAAAAHHH!! NOBODY LIKES ME! WAAAAAAAHHH!! THIS IS ALL IVE GOT! WAAAAAAAAHHH" Nothing new, nothing remotely interesting.
No charisma with the volume turned up is still no charisma.
Posted By: Rant Joseph (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:40 AM
You complain for giving the same thing week after, they finally do something different and its still not good enough.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Uhhh... probably because IT'S FUCKING SHEAMUS!!
Posted By: Highscore Kid (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:43 AM
Sheamus?? Really?
He is literally the last guy I'd pick. How about these guys:
Granted it looks like Kofi is on his way but all these other guys have had the rug pulled out on them at least once.
Posted By: t-money (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:44 AM
IWC: I am so sick of Orton/Cena/HHH. When will someone new get a shot?
WWE: Someone new can have a shot.
IWC: But he has not had enough time. He's not established. Boohoo. Why not Orton or HHH?
Shut. Up.
Posted By: Guest#0626 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Where did anyone say why not Orton or HHH? Yeah, I thought not.
People will complain about this because they know exactly what is going to happen and how absolutely pointless it is. Big monster is made to look a huge threat to Cena, Cena overcomes the odds by defeating the big monster and then big monster fades into obscurity. See Cena vs Umaga.
Posted By: Guest#0493 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:45 AM
Who's Nigel McGuinness? Is he a wrestler? Like Sheamus?
Does he have big muscles and a cool hairdo like Sheamus?
I'm sure he's a good wrestler, but he's no Desmond Wolfe.
Posted By: Charlie (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:05 AM
Vintage Commentary!
Posted By: Vintage Michael Cole (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:20 AM
People need to stop giving Sheamus so much shit, his work in IWW was always great, and he works the main event style better than any1 who has been pushed in a long time, just cos he hasnt been on tv long enough to get stale doesnt mean he doesnt deserve his push, give sheamus a chance he is the future of the main event scene in WWE
Posted By: Mr Smee (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:44 AM
Sheamus ugh why WWE why they could of made it a hell of alot better.
They should of had it come down to Kofi/Dibease/Orton and had Orton somehow eliminate Kofi and then Ted eliminate Orton. Ted vs Cena would be good and have it where Ted is about to beat Cena with the help of Orton but Kofi hits Orton which makes him run into Ted and have Ted get the AA from Cena match over Cena looks good still it sets up Kofi/Orton for a 1 on 1 match.
It would make it better then SHEAMUS
Posted By: Creative Sucks (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 06:14 AM
"I guess having Triple H singing your praises works wonders for your career, doesn't it, Sheamus?"
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What he said.
I don't dislike the guy, but Sheamus isn't ready. Period. I expected one hell of a lot more building up for him on Raw before he'd go anywhere near a main event. How does he have a few okay matches on ECW with Shelton Benjamin, go nowhere NEAR Christian, who's supposed to be the one all the young ECW guys are being tested against (which is presumably why he's still champion), get put on Raw for a month, get leapfrogged over the ENTIRE Raw roster including Kofi Kingston in the middle of the push of his (and a lot of other peoples') career - more on that in a sec- into a match against John Cena that he CLEARLY looks out of his depth in already?
Who has Sheamus beaten? What has he done? What makes him believable as a #1 contender over the other 30 guys he just bum rushed? I'd believe Jack Swagger in his position before I'd believe Sheamus...at least he has the credibility of being a former ECW champ and a good showing against Cena in the past.
And yeah...wow. If I were Kofi Kingston, I'd have been punching brick walls all over that arena last night. I'd feel like there'd be more success at that than actually cracking Raw's main event scene at this point. Has anyone HEARD the crowd reaction this guy's getting lately? Last babyface I heard get that much heat was probably Jeff Hardy...and WWE will probably do exactly to Kofi what they did to Jeff - string his push along past it's expiration date, and pull the World Champion trigger too little, too late (granted, a lot of that was Jeff's fault, but the example is still valid).
Kofi Kingston has two chances left to have his push capitalized on right now: Royal Rumble, or Money in the Bank. If he doesn't win either, WWE will have missed the boat...AGAIN.
Fucking Vince.
Posted By: BJC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:08 AM
part of the reason there was that weird silence at the end was so many people started leaving as soon as the battle royal ended, probably 1/3 of the crowd.
Posted By: jmc4534 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:12 AM
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Sheamus is winning the belt which means the match has no heat.
Not necessarily. It depends on how they build this and will be a test of Cena's abilities as a worker. Let's face it; every Wrestlemania, the Undertaker is in a high profile match everyone knows he won't lose, but with the right opponent, the drama can still be great. This will be a bigger test for Cena than it will for Sheamus. And as for the No Chance in Hell call, I say remember The Honky Tonk Man.
Posted By: APinOz (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:50 AM
What I don't get is Ted Dibiase has a movie coming out so why not give him the title match. Hes a name the fans already know and it can add to the dissension in Legacy.
Simple.
Posted By: tonware (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:00 AM
for all those comparing sheamus to desmond wolfe(he's not called nigel mcguinness anymore, deal with it)
Yes, People in the wrestling world lower leagues knows who Wolfe is. Granted, he wrestled in a federation watched by about 20 people, so making the step up to TNA was the logical choice
Posted By: Guest#3301 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:06 AM
You guys are really pathetic, its not like Sheamus just began his wrestling career 2 months ago! He's been at it since 2002! If he appears "green" to you might i suggest its because he's wrestling the style the the WWE wants all of its wrestlers to use? I've seen him pre WWE and he's anything but green in the rimg or in the mic! IWC are a bunch of criers! You complain about the same old week in and week out and now when your handed something completly different you won't even give it a chance to see how it goes! I recall Brock Lesner had a simalar push tho because Sheamus is Irish (like me) and you are completely ignorant about his pre WWE career your not even giving it a chance! Well when we're back to the usual Cena/TripleH/Orton etc i hope your happy!!!!!
Posted By: Liamdgw (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:14 AM
With Sheamus I was hoping they would have brought in Bryan Danielson as 'just another little guy' for him to squash only to get beaten by making for a nice little feud to bring both guys up. I know that seems like more of an ECW type angle but oh well, the Cena title shot thing is at least unexpected and fresh.
Posted By: PDM (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:34 AM
Calm down, folks. They are giving Sheamus a title shot at an off month PPV and giving him some exposure with a main event guy. It's not like Sheamus vs Cena is main eventing Wrestlemania. Its the December PPV, and in my opinion these off month PPV's are perfect opportunities to let the young guys shine and see what they've got. I personally like it. The only problem I have with it is it potentially will stall Sheamus' momentum having him lose to Cena, but if booked properly, he should be fine.
Posted By: D$ (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:38 AM
I don't like Sheamus getting the win or the title shot, but I also don't want to hear from the TNA fans that claim WWE is garbage because they did this.
Desmond Wolfe showed up and beat the hell out of Kurt Angle to start his run. He was instantly inserted into a main event match, and don't tell me it's different because it's wasn't for the belt. We all know, Heyman wrote a great column about it a while back, that wrestlers aren't successful when they win titles, they are successful when they are the focus of the show. Wolfe has been the focus of the show since his debut.
Now WWE is going to get panned for giving Sheamus the surprise win and title shot after the crowd was only able to see him for a month and he had accomplished nothing. Well? What had Wolfe done?
Let's face it. TNA and WWE are two completely different fan bases, and I'm not talking about the people here on this site. I'm talking about the casual TNA and WWE fan. The casual TNA fan knew who Desmond Wolfe was before he showed up. They were familiar with his ROH work. TNA has to worry about a much smaller number of fans.
WWE needs to develop wrestlers over a longer period of time because the fanbase is so huge that there is a large portion of them that aren't familiar with much of the roster because it's so huge. I think hotshotting Sheamus into the main event is a mistake. We'll see how it goes from here on out.
Posted By: Guest#0991 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:42 AM
a good show for 2hrs and 45 minutes, until the end. how can anyone take Sheamus seriously that he will beat Cena? this is a joke Vince....
Posted By: kevin (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:44 AM
You business marks.... barks.....
Posted By: Jamal (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:45 AM
I was hoping we would get Kofi vs Cena, even if Cena won and both men where babyfaces, it would have justified Kofi's push and the match would be awesome.
Still, It would be really amazing if Sheamus won and now I am hoping he does. Honestly, before the participants where announced I had a feeling the winner would be Drew McIntyre, but he was not in it. So like Rob I picked Ted....until I saw Sheamus. Something told me he was going to win. I think the kid can work a solid match and Cena once carried Kahli to something good, so he is in good hands.
Am I the only one rooting for Sheamus?
Posted By: Armando Rodriguez (Registered) on November 24, 2009 at 08:52 AM
Batista looks more and more like Lee Van Cleef every time I see him.
Posted By: Mr. America (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:53 AM
"also whats with the hating of giving punk/cena on free tv? who gives a shit about buyrates? isnt being a wrestling fan enjoying a wrestling match and not counting how much money the match made?"
Couldn't have said it better. Personally I feel that the Punk/Cena match was a tease that if the crowd responded to positively to, could eventually develop into a program in a few months
Posted By: Guest#6526 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:55 AM
Sheamus? Really??? WTF
Posted By: Jack Swagger & Ted Dibiase (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:02 AM
There's one other bonus this gives. When you watch the Royal Rumble, or any battle royal where the winner is a #1 contender, the result from last night can give an impression that anyone, not just one of the 4-5 main eventers or the guy who has been recently pushed like Kofi, can win the match.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:07 AM
I heard earlier this week that Sheamus is HHHs new BFF. I guess this confirms it.
Posted By: Gee Whiz (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:08 AM
"Gail Kim wants to say what she was thankful for, but Alicia interrupts and they tease the obligatory Thanksgiving food fight. Santino Marella interrupts and tells them they should not be fighting, but rather cooking for their husbands and boyfriends. He says his Thanksgiving wish is for all the divas to cook him a meal."
Fan-fucking-TASTIC!
Posted By: McLovin (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:17 AM
Punk/Cena was my favorite Cena match in a long, long...well, ever. Nice to see new people challenge Cena even if they lose.
Being a Titans fan, thats the only match i saw of the show. I saw a DX promo and Maryse in a turkey costume beating down Melina in an indian costume. I won't judge the show on those, it wouldn't be fair. Although, HHH's "do these things grow on trees?" comment about the midget was hilarious.
Posted By: Acid (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:18 AM
Please tell me the difference between a hushed silence and a really, this guy? type of silence...as they both sound the same to me.
Posted By: lol (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:27 AM
Anyone else think HHH and Michaels match at Wrestlemania will be a good guy Vs. good guy match like Cena Vs. Michaels and Batista Vs. Undertaker? That would suck.
Sheamus in a World Title match? Cool.
Posted By: Propagandhi (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:36 AM
Anyone else notice during the first match, when they were pimping the video game, they showed the box for 2009?
Posted By: Y2J (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:37 AM
*sigh* Again, I refer you to my earlier comment. I'm all for pushing new talent but it should be new talent people actually care about.
Posted By: Ravenite (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:40 AM
What is up with bad haircuts in WWE? Chris Masters' haircut looks like something crawled on his head and died and Sheamus looks like someone blew a fart on his head
Posted By: Absolutus (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:03 AM
"Ouch but yeah at least Maryse isn't manly. Kelly Kelly comes to mind Fuck her body doesn't justify that face. You can have sex with plastic...same thing. She always looks like she's a squinting tranny.
Has Maryse always been rail-thin?"
Welcome to the IWC, where fat virgins call beautiful women "trannies" in order to feel better about themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:10 AM
So what did Swagger do to piss off the WWE? He didn't even get entered into the battle royal and was put on a team with Chavo and Masters to get squashed. And how come Drew McIntyre wasn't on Raw at all. Would of liked to of seen him in a qualifying match.
Posted By: c. (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:13 AM
My bet is that the WWE is saving Kofi vs Cena for Wrestlemania. So until then, I'll enjoy the little championship brawl at TLC between Sheamus and Cena. Heck, they may even have a rematch at Royal Rumble.
Posted By: Kristian (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:25 AM
"Maryse had zero crowd reaction. Like the crowd went "Whodafuck?""
Except for the whole part once she ditched the costume and they could see that it was Maryse, there was a mostly babyface reaction to her posing and hair flip with some slight boos.
Or maybe that doesn't count or something.
Posted By: Guest#7556 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:45 AM
I think they only cheered because she's hot, still better than the dead fucking silence most of the others get.
Posted By: Guest#7973 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Funny that R-Truth was in the battle royal since he is actually a former TNA World Champion
Posted By: jasonel (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:25 AM
TNA's belt isn't a World title, the only real "World" titles in wrestling today are the Raw, Smackdown and NOAH titles.
Posted By: Guest#8569 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:45 AM
"This is EXACTLY why u get rid of the brand split....
With all these midcards in the WWE u can build them in a year or two instead of a decent midcarder jumping to the main event after 2 months......."
i don't like to judge, but you sir are an idiot. the worst thing to do now would be to remove the brand split. if anything, the brand split needs to be a complete and unbreakable division (with the only interaction between brands being PPV time and the draft.)
it could be just me, but the last thing i want anymore is Raw, Smackdown, ECW and Superstars dominated by HBK, HHH and the rest of the current main event scene.
developing new talent doesn't have to involved the same match 4 times a week spread over 6 hours. it should involve a distinct graduaded system where they debut on Superstars or ECW and move up to Smackdown or Raw, but removing the split will do no good unless they drop 4 hours of programming.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Jesse and Vince haven't missed a beat. Cole and company should've been taking notes!!
Posted By: Ventura4Pres (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:49 AM
"He's apparently getting the Umaga memorial "monster fed to Cena feud." Hey you wanted different there you go."
You say that liks it's a bad thing.
Umaga wasn't over in the slightest before that then after those matches with Cena he was over as a monster heel, despite losing, the last man standing match they had was fantastic.
If Sheamus benefits half as much from this feud as Umaga did, then it's a worthwhile exercise.
Posted By: Guest#9938 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Again, WWE is pushing NEW talent and the IWC is not satisfied! Whatever! Then again, the IWC is not in charge, maybe thats a good thing.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:31 AM
Of course it's a good thing, if the IWC was in charge, WWE would get ratings on the level of ROH or TNA, they know what's best for themselves and their own preferences, but not what's good for the company.
Posted By: Guest#3321 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:02 AM
They still have three weeks to build Sheamus into a threat to the title. I'm sure he'll look impressive leading to the ppv in which he'll lose but keep his heat cuz he won't get pinned. And I actually remember when Cena did good promos you know with the accent and all. Now he seems like he's tryin to win an Oscar everytime he talks. Nobody wants to explain to him that he sounds like a fuckin dork. Imagine him on the mic w/Rock/Austin/HBK/HHH in the Attitude Era they would tear him apart. I mean when he cuts a promo on Trips,Trips almost rolls his eyes cuz you can tell he could make fun and embarrass him so easily.
Posted By: JBass24 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Dear ROH fans who are TNA fans only because they have more ROH fans.
Not everyone has HD net. Especially if you live in rural America. There were a lot of REAL TNA fans who had no idea who Nigel McGuiness is. I know of him but not everyone does. CM Punk who I am a fan of DOES NOT give the best promos his promo last night wasnt very original Simon Dean gave the same promo 5 years ago. He doesnt bring the intensity that CENA does. Also enough Triple H bashing I am off that bandwagon he took the fall twice in one week on RAW at MSG and at Survivor Series. They are pushing new talent Miz, Drew McIntyre, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston. Batista is a bad ass heel we havent really seen the like of in recent years. Cena just got the belt back a month ago. The triple threat was awesome and had real drama cause any of the 3 could win it and they didnt need flippity spots to accomplish this. Sheamus had two real intense feuds with Shelton and Goldust and proved what he is capable of. His match with Cena will be an all out brawl and whatever greeness he supposedly had will be masked by the rules of the match. Orton and Kofi have yet to have a major singles match so that DQ's them from the running because they still have to do this at TLC. As for Ted DiBiase this is a nice slow burn that will pay off trust me. It has to start the jealousy of him being in a movie while Orton and Cody are not. It will happen and the dick heels will turn on him. Ted will then have the sympathy. The Million Dollar Man basically laid this out months ago when he announced they would turn him face to promote Marine 2 in Tomah WI which I was there to speak to him personally. I like Sheamus vs Cena it is new every match save Legacy vs Cryme Tyme last night was new. DX vs JeriShow is new and you know Michaels and Jericho will deliver. The same people who loved the ladder match last year how can you hate on it this year with HHH and Show bringing even more goods to the table and Michaels said there will be tables, ladders, chair matches and TLC I cant wait for the chair match and wait it consists of. Plus Swagger and Miz are in a heel vs heel feud even though they didnt play it up last night or at Survivor Series but that is still going with Eve in the middle.
Posted By: Radtke (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Shaymus might have won the "glass ceiling" battle royal, but unless he actually takes Seenas belt then he never really broke through.
Anyone else notice a huge CENA SUX chant?
Posted By: lulld (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Except for the whole part once she ditched the costume and they could see that it was Maryse, there was a mostly babyface reaction to her posing and hair flip with some slight boos.
Or maybe that doesn't count or something.
Posted By: Guest#7556 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:45 AM
Wow, so two people cheering counts as a "babyface reaction". That's how low standards have become?
Posted By: Guest#9882 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM
If WWE are so intent on having a women's division, why not just have it on SmackDown?! Not only does it mean they can get rid of that pointless Bratz Doll belt, it can be edited before showing on Friday in case of any botches, which are a REGULAR occurence on (live) RAW Divas matches AND they can pipe in a reaction.
The only women worth a damn in the ring are Beth, Gail when she's not lazy, McCool and Neidhart's daughter. Mickie is past it and Melina is horrendous.
Posted By: Guest#8069 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:51 AM
For all the people who say they should scrap the Divas and they get no reaction....have you not heard the reactions Kelly Kelly gets?? WWE must push her as the top face. She is over, hot, young and can do flashy things in the ring. She has the most upside of all the Divas because of her age. She IS the face of the Divas (the 7-11 deal) and WWE can milk her for at least another 10 years. Next time she comes out listen to the crowd, they love her. Her smile is the nicest too.
Posted By: Guest#8780 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:36 AM
Kelly seems like another Stacy Keibler in the making to me. She'll get some sort of outside offer(Playboy? Some stupid reality show?), and then decide she is "too good" for wrestling. Her career will then die when they realise she has no talent. Oh yeah, and she would have to be pretty desperate for cash to stick around in WWE for that long anyway. No diva has that long of a shelf life.
Posted By: Guest#5058 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM
While I agree with the Maryse comments how she is not attractive. I dont know how you gay guys can say that Melina isn't attractive. She is hot, there is nothing wrong with her face at all. When she was a heel she used to make ugly faces which is apart of her job as a heel. But she has a gorgeous smile that makes her face look beautiful. Just like Layla, Layla make ugly faces due to her being a heel but when she smile she is gorgeous. For the guy that said sheamus is better looking then Melina maybe we should question your sexuality and if you dont like Melina or think she is pretty maybe you guys are gay.
Posted By: hartfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:32 AM
Wait, so Maryse isn't beautiful, but Melina is? I think you might want to stop calling other people fags, because that's the gayest thing I've heard in a long time.
Melina is at her ugliest WHEN she smiles. It's so fake and makes her look even more like a horse than normal. You ever see any candid pictures of her? Looks even uglier up close. Layla is attractive though. That's about the only thing you said that I agree with.
Posted By: Guest#0979 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM
When the Gobbledy Gook came into the ring after the Divas match, I knew it was a women and I knew she would attack Melina.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Who the hell is Sheamus?.......oh really, nobody? No kidding.
Posted By: Groove (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:18 PM
BJC - go outside.
Posted By: Foolio (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Vince and Jesse were HORRIBLE on commentary.
It makes me appreciate how good Cole really is
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:34 PM
It sounded improvised and in the moment instead of the scripted, repetitive crap that comes from the regular announcers. How many times did Cole have to say that "Jesse Ventura put this match together"? How many times does he have to remind us how much Batista weighs? How many times does Cole have to remind us how much Kane weighs? How many times does Cole have to remind us that Finaly is Irish? How many times does Cole have to remind the Divas are smart, sexy, and powerful?
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Batista looks more and more like Lee Van Cleef every time I see him.
Posted By: Mr. America (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:53 AM
Or Cornelius from the original Planet Of The Apes.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM
One more tidbit... For all of you who constantly refer to the IWC, I've got a newsflash. When your reading and posting on a smart mark wrestling website, registering your thoughts and half-cocked theories you are the IWC. You are no better or worse than anyone else doing the same damn thing you are. So stop talking about it like you're not a part of it, you sound ridiculous. Thank you
Posted By: gbh1978 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM
__________________________
So by your logic, if I visit Mexico and take part in their culture, that makes me a Mexican?
Posted By: MasterShake (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:51 AM
Only if you wear a mask like Rey Mysterio.
Posted By: Chico (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM
I never saw Sheamus on ECW, but from what I have seen of him on Raw, I have no idea how anyone could see him as a real contender. Until last night, he beat up a jobber and some of the crew. He won the Battle Royal by sneaking up behind guys and throwing them out. The one person he actually attacked during the match turned around and decked him sending him back to hiding in the corner. While this works for the sneaky heel (Orton or Edge) it does nothing to put over a "monster" heel (Umaga or Batista). So not only is Sheamus not really a credible contender to the World title, his heel push has been pretty disjointed. (First monster, then sneaky) To make this work, WWE is really going to have to do a better job of building him up in the next 3 weeks. Kicking Cena in the head while being distracted is a small start, but there is still a long way to go.
Posted By: PD (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:00 PM
All this debate about the divas is hysterical. You guys care much more about these women than the fans do. Face it, women's wrestling in WWE died the day Trish retired. I'm not even some huge fan of hers, but that's just the truth. She's the only legit female star they managed to create in the post-Chyna era. No Trish, no fan interest. They might as well just let her win the belt in her hometown again and scrap the whole division.
Posted By: Guest#6067 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Ventura-McMahon for Best Annoncers Team of the Year!!!!
"Shut Up McMahon"...The Governor is pure gold
Posted By: Daffo (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:38 PM
people, really. how come everyone on here is so damn stupid!!!
first, it was called a BREAKTHROUGH battle royal. which means, someone NEW has to break through. shitheads. kofi basically already has. myp sucks (face it, hes slow and boring and has no moves at all), dibiase or rhodes was too predictable.why not sheamus?? hes actually pretty good too, and has a killer heel accent. god damn, all most people do on here is bitch like a bunch of 6yr olds. wwe does EXACTLY what your morons have been begging for, then you say, nah, we dont like that guy. too fucking bad, stop watching fags!
Posted By: the only smart person on here? (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:47 PM
After 162 comments this pretty much sums it up:
"My name is IWC. When I demand that WWE push new talent I mean C.M. Punk. If any other new guy gets a push it is not acceptable because their build has not taken as long as C.M. Punk. I don't care that C.M. Punk has already had a couple runs with the title, C.M. Punk should have another immediately. I do not understand how millions of fans do not share my love for C.M. Punk. Have they not seen his ROH 5 star matches in front of the sold out crowd of 11 people? Why won't they just push C.M. Punk?? (tears up) I love you C.M. Punk!!!"
Posted By: Guest#4028 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:54 PM
"You are now realizing that Sheamus only eliminated black people from the Battle Royal.
Posted By: Guest#6099 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM"
How could you tell? He's so pale that everyone's darker than him. Did you see the pose with him, Miz and Drew McEntire (did I spell this right)? Man did he look sickly.
"I dont know how you gay guys can say that Melina isn't attractive. She is hot, there is nothing wrong with her face at all.
Posted By: hartfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:32 AM"
Dude, Melina is hot, but in a "head in a paperbag" sort of way. I'm sorry, but she has a nasty face.
Posted By: mogamer (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:56 PM
Cena overdid that promo way too much. Same old shit.
I'da built up sheamus a bit more before feeding him to Cena, although it was still a pleasant suprise. Heel, at least it isn't Orton or HHH.
Jesse as a host was refreshing change, as was the commentary at the end. Rest of the show was the definition of "meh".
Punk/Cena was a great and underrated match. I like that they gave it a while and didn't have Punk imeedately tap out in the STF like everyone else. See, that's how you have a heel lose bhut still build him up in the process.
Posted By: Guest#5464 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:57 PM
"I think they only cheered because she's hot, still better than the dead fucking silence most of the others get."
I don't think Maryse has much of a chance of being booed by everyone unless she goes the Vickie Guerrero route of being incredibly grating. As long as she does her current act, part of the audience will be on her side no matter what she does.
Now, McCool, Layla, and Jillian before the Maryse deal, THAT was silence.
Posted By: Guest#8564 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:29 PM
While I agree with the Maryse comments how she is not attractive. I dont know how you gay guys can say that Melina isn't attractive. She is hot, there is nothing wrong with her face at all. When she was a heel she used to make ugly faces which is apart of her job as a heel. But she has a gorgeous smile that makes her face look beautiful. Just like Layla, Layla make ugly faces due to her being a heel but when she smile she is gorgeous. For the guy that said sheamus is better looking then Melina maybe we should question your sexuality and if you dont like Melina or think she is pretty maybe you guys are gay.
Posted By: hartfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:32 AM
Wait, so Maryse isn't beautiful, but Melina is? I think you might want to stop calling other people fags, because that's the gayest thing I've heard in a long time.
Melina is at her ugliest WHEN she smiles. It's so fake and makes her look even more like a horse than normal. You ever see any candid pictures of her? Looks even uglier up close. Layla is attractive though. That's about the only thing you said that I agree with.
Posted By: Guest#0979 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Word. Maryse and Layla are two of the finest women in the company. Yet Vince is weird because apparently he finds Melina 'hot'. Her teeth are nasty, her face looks like a newly purged vomit and her scream is horrible.
At least no one ever pretended that women like Nicole Bass were attractive. WWE needs to stop fooling round because this mud duck warrants at least 20 paper bags.
Posted By: Guest#4380 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:14 PM
All this debate about the divas is hysterical. You guys care much more about these women than the fans do. Face it, women's wrestling in WWE died the day Trish retired. I'm not even some huge fan of hers, but that's just the truth. She's the only legit female star they managed to create in the post-Chyna era. No Trish, no fan interest. They might as well just let her win the belt in her hometown again and scrap the whole division.
Posted By: Guest#6067 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 01:05 PM
Part of the blame goes to making the product going PG. While women like Trish and Lita were taken seriously the fans also liked them for their hotness. Now what do the fans have to care about, aside from looking at a bunch of fully-clothed women, half of whom have no character and even less wrestling ability?
Linda McMahon I'm looking at you!
Posted By: Guest#8663 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:20 PM
"Wow, so two people cheering counts as a "babyface reaction". That's how low standards have become?"
The reaction was noticable on TV, and it was a babyface reaction because the reaction she got can't be called a heel reaction. There were some faint boos, but it was mostly applause, some cheers, and wolf whistles, a babyface reaction.
Posted By: Guest#4795 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:43 PM
There is nothing wrong with Melina I agree with hartfan. I think most of you guys on hear who say that melina is not hot are gay. When she first came in doing her splits you people who are saying that she is not hot are the same one who are saying that she is not. Like hart fan said chcek your sexuality before talking shit. Idiots!
Posted By: the don (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:43 PM
Oh Triple H never loses oh wait damn.
Its always Cena vs Orton wait shit.
Um they never push anyone new. sob.
Bryan Danielson, CM PUNK, Sloppy Joe AJ Daniels Desmond Hungry Like A gay 80s song wolfe. Yeah they wrestled in ROH OMG its the new ECW but with less fans and less talent, and not as good bookers. But if you add up all the people that have seen the ROH matches live it will eaqaul TNA's best show BFG attendance 853 (250 of which was papered). Bottom line if you hate WWE just dont watch it. Sheamus won not Orton if Orton would have won you would have said "Why not someone new?" It was supposed to be someone new. At least have Sheamus win." And guess what he does then it is I d rather have Randy Orton. Face it ROH is a minor league AAA team that feeds TNA and WWE. TNA is like the XFL or CBA the place where discarded or drug addicted stars go to entertain the 200 people who dont pay for the show. If you people love and support TNA so much order there show instead of streaming it, buy merch instead of markers and a white t. Buy tickets instead of telling JB you would handjob him to see the six sided ring. My ring it has 4 corners 4 corners has my ring and had it not 4 corners it would not be a RING.
Posted By: IWC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM
@: Guest#0979 Wait, so Maryse isn't beautiful, but Melina is? I think you might want to stop calling other people fags, because that's the gayest thing I've heard in a long time.
Melina is at her ugliest WHEN she smiles. It's so fake and makes her look even more like a horse than normal. You ever see any candid pictures of her? Looks even uglier up close. Layla is attractive though. That's about the only thing you said that I agree with.
So by a person saying that Melina is better looking then Maryse the broom is the gayest thing your ever heard. Then I guess your dumbass dont know what a opinion is and and that candid picture bs is the stupidest thing I ever heard alot of beautiful females dont have candid pictures. And she doesn't look bad when she smile you F'n retard. And the dude she looks good in a paper back crap is stupid too. The gayest thing I ever heard is the shemaus is better looking then Melina crap. Melina is beautiful get over it fagboys. You complain about the shape of her face but you idiots dont say nothing about Maryse no ass, no shape bony stck figure body. I would rather pick a girl that has a nice women figure then a girl that has a skinny no figure. So before that guy who say's the gayest thing he has ever heard was Melina better looking the Maryse try to figure out what gay means first. Since you dont know the definition between gay then you could very well be.
Posted By: The truth (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM
@: Guest#0979 Wait, so Maryse isn't beautiful, but Melina is? I think you might want to stop calling other people fags, because that's the gayest thing I've heard in a long time.
Melina is at her ugliest WHEN she smiles. It's so fake and makes her look even more like a horse than normal. You ever see any candid pictures of her? Looks even uglier up close. Layla is attractive though. That's about the only thing you said that I agree with.
So by a person saying that Melina is better looking then Maryse the broom is the gayest thing your ever heard. Then I guess your dumbass dont know what a opinion is and and that candid picture bs is the stupidest thing I ever heard alot of beautiful females dont have candid pictures. And she doesn't look bad when she smile you F'n retard. And the dude she looks good in a paper back crap is stupid too. The gayest thing I ever heard is the shemaus is better looking then Melina crap. Melina is beautiful get over it fagboys. You complain about the shape of her face but you idiots dont say nothing about Maryse no ass, no shape bony stck figure body. I would rather pick a girl that has a nice women figure then a girl that has a skinny no figure. So before that guy who say's the gayest thing he has ever heard was Melina better looking the Maryse try to figure out what gay means first. Since you dont know the definition between gay then you could very well be.
Posted By: The truth (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM
Trust me, if they had elevated someone like Ted DiBiase or even Jack Swagger, you probably wouldn't hear as many complaints.
Posted By: Tom (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM
I like Cody and Ted, Ted even moreso but right now, Sheamus looks like more of a threat in my opinion.
Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:17 PM
It's funny because I was just on wwe checking out some of the divas pic and I for one agree I dont think Melina is ugly at all. I love Layla and Micky james but I saw Melina pics and you guy's are pretty much fags for sayin she is not attractive. Screw your candid pic comment and paper bag crap and check out that girl in the bikin and the boxing pics she is hot. Hell at one point I thought she looked like she was related to the bella twins in one of the pics. I do feel as though when Melina first came out doing the splits you same guys that say's she is not hot did like her then. But also I can see you same guys saying Paris hilton and Lidsey lohan was hot too and say that they are not now. You guys are too pickey and I think that you guys might have a little coolaid in your tank. Hartfan never said that Maryse wasn't ugly he just said Melina is better looking I think. Hell I would do Melina and Maryse and I too think Melina is better looking. And she dosen't have horse teeth her teeth are perfect just like all the divas. But you guys who talk about Melina your opinions will change just like females which make your guys gay becuase you act like females. @: Guest#0979 and Guest#4380 and also mogamer I think all those dudes might be a little fruity. Lets see how your girls look. I bet you if Melina wanted to have sex with you, you wouldn't be complaing about her teeth or supposedly vomit face that she dosen't have. And if you do than apparently you are not a man.
Posted By: JB (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:23 PM
I am sick of seeing bony girls period. And the sheamus winning. Why the hell does he get a title shot at a ppv but shelton still hasn't fought a champion at a ppv yet. Call me a shelton mark but that guy deserve a championship ever since he beat tiple h way back. MVP is talented too so the idiot who dosn't like him shut up. Even though I hate that he is a good guy due to his balling move and he doe figh diffrent but that is not his fault it is wwe fault. I dont mind them pushing young guns but atleast MVP and the rest can talk on the mic.
Posted By: steve (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:29 PM
Sheamus??? Is this a fucking joke, like that Smackdown Bragging Rights team before they changed it right before the Pay Per View? That IS what this is, right?
Seriously... fucking Sheamus??? I'd rather even see Kofi flipping Kingston than Sheamus. Shit, why not Jack Swagger? But fucking Sheamus?
That's it. Hell has frozen over and Smackdown is officially a better show than RAW, now.
Posted By: M.P. (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:29 PM
Oh Triple H never loses oh wait damn.
Its always Cena vs Orton wait shit.
Um they never push anyone new. sob.
Bryan Danielson, CM PUNK, Sloppy Joe AJ Daniels Desmond Hungry Like A gay 80s song wolfe. Yeah they wrestled in ROH OMG its the new ECW but with less fans and less talent, and not as good bookers. But if you add up all the people that have seen the ROH matches live it will eaqaul TNA's best show BFG attendance 853 (250 of which was papered). Bottom line if you hate WWE just dont watch it. Sheamus won not Orton if Orton would have won you would have said "Why not someone new?" It was supposed to be someone new. At least have Sheamus win." And guess what he does then it is I d rather have Randy Orton. Face it ROH is a minor league AAA team that feeds TNA and WWE. TNA is like the XFL or CBA the place where discarded or drug addicted stars go to entertain the 200 people who dont pay for the show. If you people love and support TNA so much order there show instead of streaming it, buy merch instead of markers and a white t. Buy tickets instead of telling JB you would handjob him to see the six sided ring. My ring it has 4 corners 4 corners has my ring and had it not 4 corners it would not be a RING.
Posted By: IWC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM
Pfft-hahahahaha listen up kid, ROH is the PS3 cool features but nobody cares, TNA is like the Xbox coll stuff better features but Creative is like RROD. WWE on the otherhand is the Wii, overrated, kilds love it and pathetic adults as well. Lol don't get offensive f*ggot wait till HHH buries Kofi back to midcard and Cena sends Sheamus to midcard. BTW I do support TNA and buy their stuff, so get off your high horse, WWEtard.
Posted By: Kids these days (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:42 PM
These stupid fat greesy obssesed pro rassling fans who live on their mom's basement who post stupid remarks on this website WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE CHANCE TO DATE A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN LIKE MELINA.All of you mistakes in this site hating on gorgeous woman like Melina,Mickie James,Maryse etc etc would NEVER get a chance to be with them.They call them ugly etc etc yet ALL the action they get is probably a blow up doll and or their own hand.If Melina was ''ugly'' she wouldn't on askmen.com top 100 hot women list.Melina is an incredible looking woman with a sweet smile,amazing curves,and is an allaround sweetheart.You people shouldn't judge before you meet these wrestlers.It pisses me off idiotic faggots like on this site critize woman and while they aren't much better lookin.GET A FUCKING LIFE!
Posted By: Peter (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:45 PM
Cena's promos are an oddity. He can cut a great promo but his intensity at times at times makes no sense. Like Monday, he was way over the top for no reason with Sheamus. With no build to the match he acted as if this was the match of the century. Cena needs to learn how to take the foot off the accelerator when cutting promos. This promo could have been good if it wasn't over the top.
Posted By: Guest#2307 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:50 PM
Gotta love hearing Natalya shouting "Thats it Kidd, make him pay!" to Tyson Kidd when he had HBK in a headlock - a hidden highlight showing that as far as the Hart kids are concerned all is not forgiven regarding Shawn Michaels and their uncle.......
Posted By: Guest#7743 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:08 PM
Can someone shoot Eric for suggesting Cole is better than Ventura?
Ive heard of stupid marks in my day, but he just took the shit cake
Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:22 PM
Good God! There's three RAWs left until PPV! Do you really think they won't change this up somehow? Sheamus will get replaced or someone will be added. What's wrong with Sheamus anyway? As it has been said, he's only been on RAW for a month. How much character can be added in a month? Give him a chance. No one has had his look EVER and his ringwork isn't half bad.
And for people that complain about wrestlers not getting a push, you guys buy into the "Main Eventer/Midcarder/Undercarder" ideology way too much.
Posted By: ThePants (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:26 PM
I don't think Maryse has much of a chance of being booed by everyone unless she goes the Vickie Guerrero route of being incredibly grating. As long as she does her current act, part of the audience will be on her side no matter what she does.
Now, McCool, Layla, and Jillian before the Maryse deal, THAT was silence.
Posted By: Guest#8564 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:29 PM
The sad thing is, Maryse is one of the most charismatic females I've seen in wrestling in years and she still barely gets a reaction, McCool I understand why, she has the personality of a wet paper bag and is force fed down people throats as the second coming of Trish Stratus, but Maryse would be a major player if she was around in the days when they gave the women proper storylines.
Posted By: Guest#1117 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:27 PM
Melina can best be described using one of Jerry Lawler's old lines:
"Million dollar body, ten cent face"
Posted By: Guest#6118 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:30 PM
Anybody that doesn't think Maryse is hot must be out of their mind. They have alot of "cute" women, but she's the only truly beautiful diva to come along since the goddess known as Trish Stratus retired. And I'm not some guy that only thinks blondes are beautiful, because Trish is actually hotter as a brunette. Must be something in the water up in Canada, because they produce some of the most gorgeous women in the world.
Posted By: Guest#7700 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:36 PM
Now THIS was a great RAW. They had WRESTLING! They had Ventura and Mc Mahon as commentators which brought me back to when I started watching in the 80's. Jesse is one of the few people who can really make Vince look humble and I loved it. Fantastic show tonight. Too bad next week it's back to the bullshit. Oh well. I got 1 good show.
Posted By: guest (satisfied) (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 05:55 PM
Sheamus? great give it the most boring heel. Orton was bad enough
Posted By: Guest#5447 (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM
i agree,there are plenty of new talent who have established themselves-evan bourne,jack swagger(yes cena has beaten him but he is established)
sheamus is sooooooo boring and hasnt proven himself and doesnt deserve a title shot-i was kind of hoping for Kofi to be given a chance
P.s:Sheamus get a TAN
Posted By: Melissa (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 06:12 PM
You would think people would be happy with Shaemus vs. Cena. They are saving $45 because it's a foregone conclusion that Cena will win. In fact I think it's set in stone Cena will win. Nobody can beat Cena, let alone Brock Lesnar Jr. In a word: Boring!
Posted By: official Cena hater (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:15 PM
IWC wants Maryse's head on Melina's body.
Posted By: i figured it out (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:16 PM
If Sheamus beats Cena I come back and show that India is much better than Ireland when I beat him with my atomic chop!
Posted By: Khali (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:39 PM
Please tell me the difference between a hushed silence and a really, this guy? type of silence...as they both sound the same to me.
Posted By: lol (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:27 AM
One is preceeded by a gasp. The other is preceeded by a groan.
Posted By: Robbymac (Registered) on November 24, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Pfft end this debate on who's the hottest Diva...it's Michelle McCool hands down!! And she's athletic too so you know she's a freak in the sack. Mark Callaway is lucky as hell to bag him a perfect 10 like Michelle.
Posted By: Guest#8241 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:51 PM
wwe sucks.change the product top to bottom.elevate shelton and christian,bring back a solid tag division get cena off television and retire taker and michaels.and for gods sake at least train the women on how to wrestle,they suck.
Posted By: realfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Oh Triple H never loses oh wait damn.
Its always Cena vs Orton wait shit.
Um they never push anyone new. sob.
Bryan Danielson, CM PUNK, Sloppy Joe AJ Daniels Desmond Hungry Like A gay 80s song wolfe. Yeah they wrestled in ROH OMG its the new ECW but with less fans and less talent, and not as good bookers. But if you add up all the people that have seen the ROH matches live it will eaqaul TNA's best show BFG attendance 853 (250 of which was papered). Bottom line if you hate WWE just dont watch it. Sheamus won not Orton if Orton would have won you would have said "Why not someone new?" It was supposed to be someone new. At least have Sheamus win." And guess what he does then it is I d rather have Randy Orton. Face it ROH is a minor league AAA team that feeds TNA and WWE. TNA is like the XFL or CBA the place where discarded or drug addicted stars go to entertain the 200 people who dont pay for the show. If you people love and support TNA so much order there show instead of streaming it, buy merch instead of markers and a white t. Buy tickets instead of telling JB you would handjob him to see the six sided ring. My ring it has 4 corners 4 corners has my ring and had it not 4 corners it would not be a RING.
Posted By: IWC (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM
Pfft-hahahahaha listen up kid, ROH is the PS3 cool features but nobody cares, TNA is like the Xbox coll stuff better features but Creative is like RROD. WWE on the otherhand is the Wii, overrated, kilds love it and pathetic adults as well. Lol don't get offensive f*ggot wait till HHH buries Kofi back to midcard and Cena sends Sheamus to midcard. BTW I do support TNA and buy their stuff, so get off your high horse, WWEtard.
Posted By: Kids these days (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:42 PM
I always find it a little unnerving when I come across people this stupid.
I mean you have to think of it this way - these people are out there driving. On roads!
Posted By: Guest#4221 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:07 PM
Pfft end this debate on who's the hottest Diva...it's Michelle McCool hands down!! And she's athletic too so you know she's a freak in the sack. Mark Callaway is lucky as hell to bag him a perfect 10 like Michelle.
Posted By: Guest#8241 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 08:51 PM
After Vickie Guerrero, Mccool would be at the bottom of my list, she looks like the Grimp Reaper, she's so damn skinny, and her complete lack of any kind of personality doesn't help.
Posted By: Guest#8235 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:26 PM
For everyone saying Miz, Swagger, MVP, Morrison would be better choices, I agree somewhat. But it works for me for Sheamus. He's big, he is a decent wrestler, and I enjoy his work.
Do I like Swagger better? Yes, Swagger is my favorite midcarder. I would have loved to see him win the BR and then use the old "I took you to the limit Cena" from the draft. However, they cut his legs off. Infact no midcarder has better legs to stand on. Think about casual fan, which is closer what I am then someone that reads everything, and how they think.
Ted: Cena beat him in 2-on-1 handicap matches like ALOT. Yes he beat DX, once, but they have extremely few wins over top guys, and very few single wins at all.
Cody Rhodes: see above.
MVP: Yes, he has beaten main eventers before, but that was forever ago. He's been floundering, and it took me awhile to think of his last decent win.
Swagger: Let's see. He got eliminated very fast at SS, and hasn't had any decent wins since ECW.
Miz: Cena kicked his ass everytime unless someone helped him out.
And I could continue. Sheamus has no history with Cena, and has never really looked weak on RAW. Maybe he won't catch on, but I have faith in him to get over in 3 weeks. Even if it fizzles, I am buying just because it's something new.
Posted By: Johnny Rock (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:32 PM
@Guest#6118 and @i figured it out let me see how you guys girl face looks. Melina face is fine. You pickey faggots. Maryse has a little girl face see I am pickey like you you no action son of a bictches. Bet the girls that you ever had looked nothing compare to Maryse. Go to wwe.com and look at the divas because it seems like you girls I mean fags I mean guys want to hate melina. Get a girlfriend b4 judging other girls.
Posted By: Hartfan (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:57 PM
McCool, Kelly Kelly, and Maryse are the top 3 hottest. Beth Phoenix comes in 4th.
Bellas Twins get released yet?
Posted By: stupid loser (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Wait a minute wasn't Jack Swagger and Chavo Guerrero ECW World Champions. Well I know the ECW doesn't carry any value, but still.
Posted By: Guest#3769 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Any Jesse love is ridiculous. He was dogshit on the mike.
Posted By: SeatsPro (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:11 PM
"For all of you who constantly refer to the IWC, I've got a newsflash. When your reading and posting on a smart mark wrestling website, registering your thoughts and half-cocked theories you are the IWC. You are no better or worse than anyone else doing the same damn thing you are. So stop talking about it like you're not a part of it, you sound ridiculous. Thank you"
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WAAAHHH!!! Fuck you, crybaby.
That aside.... HELL'S YEAH, ANIMOTION BITCHES!!! Screw you Attitude Era marks, the Rock N' Wrestling Era will ALWAYS be superior!
Posted By: Guest#0435 (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 06:12 AM
I think Sheamus will be a great title competitor... a couple of years down the road.
Right now, all I can think is "WTF?"
Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest) on November 25, 2009 at 09:22 AM
So Nigle shows up in tna out of no wear and murders angle and its all "oh TNA is so Smart"
The WWE pushes a guy whos at least had some months of development
and its a bad Thing?
Posted By: hound89 (Guest) on November 23, 2009
Is that the main event of the ppv no so thats a terrible comparison. What Rob is pointing out before the usual tools cry about how the IWC is too mean as they usually do is that they put him in there without much hype and by beating up who? Jamie Noble?
Posted By: Guest#0041 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Again, WWE is pushing NEW talent and the IWC is not satisfied! Whatever! Then again, the IWC is not in charge, maybe thats a good thing.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:31 AM
Of course it's a good thing, if the IWC was in charge, WWE would get ratings on the level of ROH or TNA, they know what's best for themselves and their own preferences, but not what's good for the company.
Posted By: Guest#3321 (Guest) on November 24, 2009
No they just lost half their audience since 2002 while those companies are actually entertaining but hey who wants that? TNA put on a ppv this month that murdered Survivor Series so keep being a tool no one cares about you morons anymore. As long as tools like you see the same crappy main events like Seamus-Cena because its new it must mean its brilliant. What freaking morons would you wwe tools shut the hell up honestly its becoming sad and pathetic.
Posted By: Guest#7435 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM
"No they just lost half their audience since 2002...."
Bullshit. Raw, at it's peak in 1999 and 2000, was doing 7 million, sometimes 8 million, and even reached 9 million one week in '99. In 2009, it does around 5 million.
The show has lost viewers but NOT 50%. That's a ridiculous claim.
Posted By: Guest#2477 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Of all the guys that everyone wanted to win, they choose the guy that noone wanted for to win.
Posted By: guesthehe (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 06:20 PM
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