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411's WWE Raw Report 01.04.10
Posted by Rob McNew on 01.04.2010





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-The Monday Night Wars are back as we prepare for one of the most exciting nights in recent history. For the first time since November 3, 1997 Bret "Hitman" Hart will appear live on Raw as the special guest host. If you want to follow along with Total Nonstop Hogan down the dial Lansdell has you covered. Otherwise sit back, relax, and join me for quite possibly the most anticipated Raw ever.

-Live from the Nutter Center in Dayton, OH

-Hosted by Michael Cole & Jerry "The King" Lawler

-We open up with the same Bret Hart hype package that Vince played last week, along with a recap of the Michaels/McMahon promo.

-We kick things off with Bret right away along with slightly remixed music. Bret looks older of course, but actually looks much better than he has in recent years. Bret says he guesses hell froze over, and a lot of people are wondering why he's here tonight. He says it's been twelve years since he's been back in the WWE. He says for the last few years he's tried to come back, but Vince always declined. He says he's grateful to have this opportunity to be back now talking to the WWE Universe. He says this is a chance for him to say to his fans thank you for never letting him be forgotten. He says he owes everything he has to the WWE Universe. He says he's flooded with memories, and mentions winning the first King of the Ring in this very building. He even calls out Lawler for jumping him afterward. He says he's going to get to the point because he's got twelve years of things to get off his chest, and asks Shawn Michaels to come out and talk to him face to face. Wow, this is truly an epic moment. Shawn stares down Bret in one of the most surreal visuals I can ever remember. Bret says he wants to take this opportunity to bury the hatchet and call for a truce. Shawn says before Bret comes out and gets his closure he's been waiting twelve years to say something to him. Shawn says the fact is Bret deserved what happened twelve years ago in Montreal. Shawn says Bret disrespected him and the business, and he says he did have a hand in what Vince did that night. Crowd totally turns on Shawn with "You screwed Bret" chants, and Bret says he rests his case. Shawn says there's a big part of him that doesn't regret a bit of it, but Shawn says there's another part of him. A part of him that knows in the last twelve years a lot of things have changed. Shawn says he always respected Bret, but never felt he got that in return. He says there were times that he couldn't stand the sight of him, and he knows the feeling is more than mutual. Shawn then says when he thinks of Bret Hart he doesn't think of Montreal. He thinks of Anaheim, and a 60 minute Ironman Match. A match they said no one would want to see, and no one could do it. He says Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart did do it though, and they did everything the business stood for. He says when he thinks of Bret Hart he thinks of the excellence of execution. He tells him Bret's not the only one who's been carrying this around for twelve years, and he's not the only one who wants to bury the hatchet. He just wants to know if Bret is really ready. Bret says Shawn wasn't always the easiest guy to get along with, but he doesn't think their careers should be defined by what happened in Montreal. Bret says he doesn't he doesn't see any reason why they can't be friends, and offers his hand in friendship. Shawn accepts the handshake, and goes to leave but stops and turns around and in one of the single most shocking things I've ever seen they embrace. I just saw Bret Hart HUG Shawn Michaels. I need to check my meds. Bret says there is one more thing he wants to address, and he calls out Vince. Vince doesn't come out though, and Bret is left in the ring as we run down tonight's card.

-Josh Mathews is outside Vince's office, but Vince comes up to him. He says he just left a meeting, and didn't know what Bret said. He doesn't know what was said, but if Bret wants to have a public discussion we can do so on his terms. He'll call Bret out later on tonight.

-Cole announces that Melina has been stripped of the Diva's Title, and an 8 woman tournament starts right now.

WWE Diva's Championship Tournament-Quarterfinals: Maryse vs. Brie Bella (w. Nikki Bella)
Maryse backs Brie into the ropes, but then after a slap bails to the ropes. Maryse goes to the apron, and botches her hair flip before Brie brings her back in. Brie throws Maryse by her hair a few times, and hits a jumping snap mare. Brie connects with a dropkick, and Maryse bails to the floor. Nikki takes advantage of the distraction throwing Maryse into the table, and then Brie brings her back inside for a two count. Brie ducks a clothesline, and gets thrown to the mat by Maryse who drives her into the mat. Nikki does the switch, but Maryse is on to them, and she boots Nikki in the ribs. Maryse then hits her with the DDT now called "the French Kiss" to pick up the win at 2:17. Standard fare shitty diva match.
Winner: Maryse (Pinfall-French Kiss DUD)

-Miz is out with new music to meet Maryse on stage. He says he's very impressed, and if she wins this tournament he might call her back. He says something in French, and says he needs to go scout his next opponent. He tells her she's been telling people that 2010 is the year of Maryse, but let him be clear that this year, decade, and the rest of time belongs to him. Miz then joins us on commentary for the next bout.

US Championship Number One Contender Fatal Four Way Match: Montel Vontavious Porter vs. Jack Swagger vs. Carlito vs. Mark Henry
This one is joined in progress with Henry on the floor, and Carlito and Swagger working over MVP. Carlito quickly turns on Swagger with a right hand, but runs into a powerslam from Swagger. Swagger's cover is broken up by MVP, but he then eats a belly to belly for two that is broken up by Carlito. Swagger whips Carlito into the corner, and throws MVP in as well. MVP moves from the avalanche, so he takes out Carlito instead. Henry is back inside and he throws MVP over the top, and meets Swagger with a clothesline. Henry delivers a headbutt to Carlito, and then picks him up in bodyslam position. He uses Carlito's feet to take out Swagger, and puts Carlito into a bearhug. Swagger breaks that up, but he gets caught in a reverse torture rack by Henry. MVP makes the save on that move which sends Swagger to the apron. He kicks Henry to the floor, and then sidesteps a charging Carlito sending him out. MVP then connects with a playmaker for Swagger which picks up the win at 3:40. Pretty quick and nothing special, but nice to see MVP back on the winning end of things.
Winner: Montel Vontavious Porter (Pins Swagger-Playmaker **)

-Jericho talks to Big Show in the back, and Show tells him this is their last chance. Jericho says he has a plan, and Show says it better be a good one. Jericho says he's going to go talk to Bret Hart, and he's got a deal for him that's too good to pass up.

-Chris Jericho stops by Bret's office, and starts going through all the memories. Jericho says he saw the reconciliation, but he knows he knows the real Bret Hart. Jericho says he has a little idea, and asks Bret to be the special guest referee. He tells him when Jericho locks HBK or HHH in the Walls of Jericho he should ring the bell. Bret says he's not going to do that, because he doesn't want to be like Jericho and be a hypocrite. He says he wont help him, and doesn't know anyone who will. Finally he tells Jericho he remembers him being the biggest whiner in the dungeon

-Hornswoggle is checking out some new WWE toys, and HHH comes by to pimp them. HHH says the only way Swoggle can play with the toys is if they beat Jericho and Show tonight. Shawn shows up and wants to know why HHH talks to him like a little child, and screams "HE'S GOT A BEARD!" HHH tells him when he was in the back making up with Bret he was back here preparing for the tag team match. Shawn wants to know what all of this has to do with the tag team title match. HHH brings in Santino dressed as Chris Jericho who calls the fans "hype-o-crytes" and says he is the best in the world at whatever it is he does. HHH then tells Hornswoggle to sic him, and he then attacks Santino. Shawn looks pretty disgusted at the whole thing, but HHH says tonight is all about them taking care of Jeri-Show. The DX tension is really starting to mount.

Unified Tag Team Championship: D-Generation X (w. Hornswoggle) © vs. Chris Jericho & The Big Show
Show starts out with Shawn, and HBK starts out delivering a few chops before being dropped with a headbutt. Shawn hits the ropes and HHH tags in. They go for a double suplex, but Show blocks it and suplexes both them as we head to break. We return with Jeri-Show still in control. Jericho has HHH down near the heel corner, and he tags in Show. HHH stops Show with a boot, and delivers a facebuster. HHH hits the ropes running into a sidewalk slam from Show as the heels regain control. Show hits a legdrop for two, and buries a right hand to the ribs. Show delivers a headbutt before tagging in Jericho who comes in to stand on the back of HHH's head choking him out on the second rope. Jericho does a little Hogan ear cup thing in a not so subtle nod to the competition before locking in the half nelson chinlock. Jericho hits the ropes running into a spinebuster from HHH and now both men are down. HHH crawls for the tag, but Jericho is able to tag in Show who stops HHH from making the hot tag. Show goes to the second rope for a Vader Bomb that misses as HHH rolls out of the way. HBK makes the hot tag and comes in with a series of chops to Show. Shawn hits the flying forearm which staggers Show, and he nips up delivering as second one. Show is still only staggered so Shawn nips up a second time hitting a low dropkick to put the big man down. Shawn knocks Jericho off the apron, and heads to the top rope. Jericho comes around to knock him off crotching him on the top rope. Hornswoggle runs in during the confusion and hits a seated splash, and Shawn makes the cover getting two. Shawn goes for sweet chin music, but Show catches the foot and delivers a chokeslam. Shawn kicks out at two, and Show makes the tag to Jericho. Lionsault catches the knees, but Jericho catches that and goes for the Walls. Shawn kicks out of that and tags in HHH who delivers the pedigree. Show breaks up the count at two, and goes for chokeslam on Show. HHH makes the save, and he delivers a pedigree for Show sending him to the floor. Jericho shoves HHH into HBK sending him to the floor, and rolls him up for two. As they struggle to their feet Jericho then delivers a codebreaker, but he's slow to cover and that allows Shawn to make the save. Swoggle comes back in and tunes up the band, but his attempt at Sweet Shin Music meets a boot to the face from Jericho. HHH goes for the pedigree, but Jericho counters into a Walls of Jericho attempt. Shawn hits Sweet Chin Music on Jericho as he goes for that move, and HHH covers for the victory to retain the belts at 12:03. Great match with a ridiculously hot finish. After the match HHH tells Jericho he's finished on Raw, and Shawn tells him if he's not down with that they've got two words for them. Jericho is treated to the obligatory na, na, na, hey, hey , goodbye song as he leaves Raw "forever." Or until the next draft, whichever comes first.
Winners: STILL Unified Tag Team Champions-D-Generation X (HHH pins Jericho-Sweet Chin Music ***1/2)

-Randy Orton knocks on Vince's door, and he says this isn't a social visit, but business. He says tonight is about putting the past behind them. Vince says that what Bret did to him is nothing compared to what Randy did to Vince and his family. Orton says Bret is the only legend he hasn't put down, and says he'll kick Bret in the skull if Vince gives him the word. Vince asks what's in it for Randy, and he says he'll have his back and when he takes out Bret Vince can put in the Rumble at entrant number 30. Vince says he has his own security, and tells Randy to never confront him again. Randy leaves in disgust but runs into Cody and Ted who say they want to thank him for what he did last week, and as a token of their appreciation they're going to do the same for him. They will watch his match at Kofi from ringside tonight, and if he loses they will kick him out of Legacy.

-Mike Tyson is your guest host next week.

-Sheamus is out for a few words of wisdom. It just struck me that a midget is about ten times more over than the reigning WWE Champion. He says Cena can make all the excuses he wants, but he did what he said he was going to do. He ended 2009 standing over a fallen John Cena as WWE Champion. He says his next defense is at Royal Rumble, and he won't face Cena. He wants a new challenge, and says that while Bret might be the best there ever was, but Sheamus is the best there is and ever will be. He calls anyone out, and that brings out Evan Bourne of all people. Bourne says the only reason Bourne is Sheamus is Champion is because someone gave him an opportunity. He tells if he got the same opportunity he would beat him. Sheamus thinks its cute that little Evan Bourne wants a shot, so he'll give him one. If Bourne can beat him right now, he'll get a shot at the rumble. Sheamus calls a ref into the ring, and the match is on right now.

Sheamus vs. Evan Bourne
Bourne attacks with a series of kicks, and then delivers Air Bourne out of nowhere. Sheamus is out at two, and Bourne heads back to the top rope. Sheamus catches the cross body, and hits a fallaway slam. Sheamus drops a series of knees on the forehead, and connects with the jumping big boot. Razor's Edge finishes for Sheamus at 1:44. Bourne got his token offense in, but after that pretty much a squash.
Winner: Sheamus (Pinfall-Razors Edge *1/2)

-Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler acknowledge the passing of "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. Nice that they do this, but it's only going to make people point out the fact that they didn't mention Umaga and Test.

-We get an in depth recap of the Montreal Screwjob

Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton
Dibiase and Rhodes are out at ringside to watch this one, as they have promised to kick Orton out of Legacy if he loses. Kofi attacks early with a forearm to the face, and delivers a jumping clothesline off the second rope. Orton comes back with a side headlock, and hits a shoulderblock. Kingston comes back with a high elbow, and delivers a stinger splash in the corner. Kofi clotheslines over the top to the floor, and delivers a baseball slide to Orton as the battle heads to the floor. Kofi throws Orton back inside, but on the way back in Orton goes for the elevated DDT. Kofi counters into a backdrop sending Orton to the floor as we head to break. We return with Orton in control of the match having Kofi locked in a chinlock. Orton fires Kofi back to the mat, and stomps him in the midsection. Kofi tries to fight back, but gets quickly fired into the second buckle by Orton. Randy delivers a shot to the kidneys and hammers Kofi down in the corner. Orton slingshots Kofi into the second rope for a two count, and grabs a reverse chinlock. Kofi ducks a clothesline and they hit the ropes both delivering crossbodies putting both down. Kofi hits a pair of chops, and a dropkick before delivering a series of right hands. Kofi hits a Side Russian Legsweep, and hits a boom drop. Kofi calls for Trouble in Paradise, but Orton bails to the floor so he delivers a suicide dive and throws Orton back inside. Kofi hits a crossbody off the top for two, but Orton goes for the RKO which is blocked into an SOS for two. Kofi picks up Orton, and goes for Trouble in Paradise which Orton blocks and then delivers the RKO for the win at 11:00. Pretty good match, but Kofi's momentum is pretty much dead now. After the match Dibiase and Orton shoot a look at each other of disappointment.
Winner: Randy Orton (Pinfall-RKO ***)

-Vince is out, and the first thing he wants to do is wish us a happy new year. He says there's no reason for him to call Bret out here, because Bret and Shawn buried the hatchet and Montreal is now dead. He thanks Bret for being the guest host, and says next week we'll have Mike Tyson. Bret walks out, and Vince says he thinks he knows Bret is thinking. He says he knows what the fans wants to see, and that's that they want to see him apply the sharpshooter. He does say he wants to hear what Bret has to say, but he doesn't want to provoke him. He says he wants to get a few things off his chest. He says he does believe Bret screwed Bret, and he'll never forget Bret spitting in his face. He'll never forget Bret sucker punching him after the event. He'll never forget Bret disrespecting him the night he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. He says Bret has slandered him in every publication for twelve years, but he does want to hear what Bret has to say. He tell Bret he wants him to say he's sorry. Bret says he can think of a lot of things to say to him, but the two words that he's thinking of are a lot different than the two words he's thinking of. He says he came here to bury the hatchet, and he's half way there. He says wants to get things right, and find closure. Bret says Vince wants this as bad as he does. Vince says what he thought he wanted was to come out here and kick him in the guts, but in the interest of being honest he thinks Bret is right. He wants this just as bad as Bret does. Vince remembers back to Wrestlemania 2 when Bret was in the battle royal with Andre, and how he knew Andre's career was winding down and he knew Bret was the future. He saw Bret went from tag team specialist to WWE Champion, and no one handed it to him. Vince says Bret became the excellence of execution, and one of the reasons Montreal was so personal was because as Bret said Vince was like a father figure. Vince says speaking of fathers he wants to nominate Stu Hart to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Bret says he appreciates that, and he knows that means a lot to all of his dad's fans and the fans in Canada. Vince says he wants to personally thank Bret for all of his contributions to WWE, and all of the thrilling moments he gave to the WWE Universe. He wants to thank Bret for just being himself tonight, and lastly he wants to thank him for being the best there is, was, and ever will be. They shake hands and Vince raises Bret's hand as Bret's music plays, but SWERVE Vince kicks Bret below the belt. Vince stands disgusted over a fallen Bret, before leaving the ring to chorus of boos. Bret gets up and stares down Vince as we head out for the evening.

-Interesting show tonight. We got an idea of the direction this will go as its apparent that Shawn and Bret will have no real feud as this is all going to center around Vince and Bret. There's no way this show could have lived up to the hype, and quite frankly it didn't. In reality though this was all just an introduction to the storyline. We shall see where it goes.


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Sooo... What was the Miz's new music like?

Posted By: Burley (Guest)  on January 04, 2010 at 11:58 PM

 
 
After a very long time I had goose bumps while watching RAW. I had my friend pinch me when I saw HBK HUG BRET. DAMN & then vince low blow to Bret was icing on cake. Great presentation to the storyline I guess.

Posted By: Xander (Guest)  on January 04, 2010 at 11:59 PM

 
 
Your last comments of the show is why the WWE is beginning to lose me. I've been a massive fan my entire life and just a casual TNA fan. But the fact is that they blew a huge opportunity on this night to make something truly historic out of so much...and I can't believe how little was actually produced. There was nothing surprising or outstanding or super climactic. It was the opposite...it was just the same old thing.

I found myself watching Impact and then flipping back to RAW on occasion after Bret Hart had his intro. Because that was the only truly surreal thing about the show. They had such a chance to really produce something outstanding. But instead they act like TNA is nothing...and after tonight, TNA stepped it up HARD and WWE phoned in one of the greatest possible angles in a decade! Yes this sets up for more, but even the set up was so DULL! Please, Vince, give us more! No rest-breaks, no shitty divas, no midgets, no 'who's that guy?' champions, no ridiculous on-air merchandise hocking....please believe that TNA is coming up on your ass, because if their show can turn a lifelong fans channel, you've got a problem.


Posted By: Erik... (Guest)  on January 04, 2010 at 11:59 PM

 
 
Just seeing Bret and Shawn hug made this show epic win for me.

Legendary moment.


Posted By: ThatGuyWithTheCommonSense (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:04 AM

 
 
WWF/E really wet the bed with the whole Bret Hart/Shanw Michaels/Vince McMahon angle. They really hit a thud. I guess they didn't educate them Hollywood script writers on the whole situation from back in the day.

Posted By: Guest#9890 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:07 AM

 
 
Where the hell was the Hart Dynasty?

Posted By: Finn (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:09 AM

 
 
5 matches for an estimated 30 minutes.
Must have been a lot of fluff.


Posted By: Doc (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:12 AM

 
 
As long as Triple H's racist ass books WWE there will another minority champion.

His total contempt for Dwayne's legacy alone is proof of that.

Not to mention his atrocious treatment of Booker T.

But the complete burial of MVP & the obliteration of anything resembling momentum for the mega hot Kofi while Sheamus, Rhodes & Diabiase none of whom have charisma nor can cut promos are pushed to the moon?

Real subtle Paul. Real subtle.


Posted By: Guest#7428 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:13 AM

 
 
Oh, but it did, Rob. It did. We got a great tag match, a decent match out of Kofi/Orton, a setup for the US title, and be honest. Did anyone, even you, EVER think Shawn and Bret would HUG in a WWE ring? NO. This show did deliver, and it has been one of the best RAW's I've seen in a while.

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:16 AM

 
 
Hmmm hulk hogan,ric flair,jeff hardy,eric bischoff,scot hall,xpac,val venis,orlando jordan,the fuckin nasty boys...good luck to x division and tag division brother....

Posted By: Suraj (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:16 AM

 
 
God that show blew.... TNA was so much better tonight!

Posted By: 67 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:16 AM

 
 
Hmmm hulk hogan,ric flair,jeff hardy,eric bischoff,scot hall,xpac,val venis,orlando jordan,the fuckin nasty boys...good luck to x division and tag division brother....

Posted By: Suraj (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:17 AM

 
 
Seeing Bret back was as surreal as I thought it would be, and I loved every second of it. I loved how passionate the Dayton, OH crowd was for him and I think the moment with HBK was absolutely historic and exactly what I wanted to see. It felt as real as anything in wrestling does these days and it was a truly special moment. The opening alone made this RAW well worth watching. Also loved the segment between Bret and Jericho.

Posted By: Se7en17 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:20 AM

 
 
Hmmm hulk hogan,ric flair,jeff hardy,eric bischoff,scot hall,xpac,val venis,orlando jordan,the fuckin nasty boys...good luck to x division and tag division brother....hahahaha

Posted By: Suraj (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:20 AM

 
 
I will say that neither show lived up to the hype. I was really hoping to see the Hart Dynasty be part of this program, and was somehow hoping they would end up with the belts.

RAW>TNA in the head to head. Nasty Boys, Flair, nWo, and Foley is an automatic loss. Jeff Hardy was about the only thing they got right plus the main event.


Posted By: The Coach (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:22 AM

 
 
Raw was the same shit for the umpteenth time!
Rematches from TLC!

Go to hell Vince and Bret's soap...

TNA all the way now!


Posted By: dt_5150 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:23 AM

 
 
once again a very pathetic raw is russo writing raw

Posted By: ric` (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:24 AM

 
 
TNA was hands down the better show tonight. Outside of Bret Hart, Raw was terrible tonight and it really showed more than ever tonight when you compare the two shows.

The WWE won the ratings war by a landslide but as a wrestling fan I'm not on sides but I gotta say TNA won tonight in quality and it wasn't even really close. Good start for the new TNA.


Posted By: Hot Pocket (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:26 AM

 
 
Yeah even though I didnt watch it(didnt have to) to know that all the so called WWE geniuses on here a month or so ago calling for Kofi to be the next big thing just got what anyone that thinks these guys will get when they get a so called push....one of the chosen few beating them back into the shadows. And the big push toniight for MVP is a shot at a title he won after about 3 weeks when he broke in.

So you have Orton gettign his wins again and being built up as some kind of pyscho, yu have DX now with free reign to beat anyone and everyone on all 3 shows, and get hornswoggle the most over guy in the company, who doesnt talk, doesnt wrestle, and most peopel still hate (which says a lot about the WWE right now) on peoples tvs 3 nights a week now instead of just one.

You will soon have maryse (why cole continues to call her maurice is beyond me) as the new womens champ

And you have guys no one like (not in the heel kayfabe way, but really do not like) holding belts with the Miz and Sheamus.

Oh yeah and they took the more relaistic angle with bret hart and having itmore than likely delop into some sort of pissing contest with vince at wrestlemania since bret obviously wasnt going to be able to wrestle despite what everyone here thought or wanted to think.

So call me maybe when it isnt as predictable as it has been in the past few years.

the only thing these days that might not be predicted are the guys leaving so they can do their 90 day no compete so they can get on a show that is more than likely goign to take off and not floounder in the same muck and mire that RAW seems to be.

When someone other than Orton, Cena, DX (or someone having anal sex with a member of DX doesnt have the WWE belt then and only then will the show maybe start going in a direction people can respect. But since HHH is going to be the next owner dont expect anything like that to happen unless he meets an untimley death and whenvince dies the company is sold or brekas up on its own.

This is eerilly similar to watching the oakland raiders and knowing that no matter how many first round draft picks they can have or how much potential talent they have a chance at, there is a senile egomanaical old fool running the ship that doesnt want to change, ot in the least go back to what made them good. But would rather do it his way and fail than do something "right" and maybe succeeed.


Posted By: Rich (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:26 AM

 
 
Vince Kicks Bret in the nuts > All of Impact

Posted By: The Rev (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:34 AM

 
 
Didn't see Raw. Did Shawn kiss Bret? That's what the picture on 411's main page looks like.

Posted By: Guest#3617 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:36 AM

 
 
Jamaican me jobber.

Posted By: Kofi Johnston (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:36 AM

 
 
bret hart > tna 3 hour bonanza

Posted By: marc (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:39 AM

 
 
A solid episode of Raw, and nice to see Bret back. But, it seems that Impact had far more going on than Raw did. Much of it wasn't good apparently, but a lot of stuff happened and there's a ton of talking points (Hardy, Flair etc.)
I doubt TNA will do well now, but perhaps down the line they may pick up a few extra viewers. Still don't entirely trust them to book a show well without surprises galore, but we'll see.


Posted By: dennett316 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:43 AM

 
 
How did it not live up the hype? Bret and Shawn freaking hugged in the middle of the ring. Are we really so jaded that that's not a big deal?

Posted By: Tolkoto (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:54 AM

 
 
From the moment they didn't play Bret's real music, I was disappointed; and the disappointment never stopped.

Fucking ZZ Top were on television more when they guest hosted than Bret Hart. Fuck this.


Posted By: Michael Tyner (Registered)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:56 AM

 
 
Good show. True, he's not that over, but I'm getting into Sheamus.

I just wish they'd stop finding excuses to put him in glorified squashes. Evan Bourne now? What's sad is at first I wasn't sure if Evan would get the shot or not. That's how little I buy Sheamus as champ due to these crappy matches.

I'd love to root for the guy, but only when they stop booking him as chickenshit, heel or otherwise.


Posted By: Lobe (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:56 AM

 
 
So glad I watched the majority of TNA over this garbage. All they did was give us the same horrendous matches and rehash the screwjob for the millionth time. WWE has officially gone down the toilet. TNA is the wave of the future. Accept it.

Posted By: panik (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:07 AM

 
 
i for one was hoping for a new hart foundation formation with jericho, the dynasty and bret as manager..but oh well. the show overall was a HUGE letdown, but man i'd be lying if i didn't admit i got chills when bret and shawn hugged in the ring. sounds gay, but from a long time fan that remembers montreal vividly, that was just a surreal moment.

Posted By: Ric Switzer (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:23 AM

 
 
LOL @ Erik. Impact was so bad tonight bar the main event.

Posted By: Guest#3539 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:24 AM

 
 
I agree with Erik. Impact delivered on so many levels. The only thing Raw had going for it was Bret Hart, and that was it.

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:24 AM

 
 
Ugh...I was expecting so much more from them tonight. WWE's opening and closing segments were great. But I just got sooo bored watching the rest of the show!

Posted By: JDW (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:25 AM

 
 
While Raw was giving us Brie Bella vs Maurice in an absolute snoozer of a match, TNA delivered one of the best tag team matches in ages. It just happened to be a women's tag match, and showed just how painfully bad the WWE's "divas" really are in the ring.

C'mon, Hamada just launching Taylor Wilde into the ringpost was brutal, and Wilde sold it like a mofo, barely twitching as she lay 'unconscious' outside the ring.


Posted By: Spaz Monkey (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:25 AM

 
 
@Doc
It's been that way for months on both Impact and Raw...where have you been? Fortunately this time the 'fluff' was Bret Hart.


Posted By: dennett316 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:27 AM

 
 
God that show blew.... TNA was so much better tonight!

Posted By: 67 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 12:16 AM
TNA sucked balls to buddy(Outside mthe Epi AJ VS Kurt Match)

The onlything that was good on Raw Was seeing Hart and HBK in the ring it gave me goose bumps


Posted By: Guest#8991 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:33 AM

 
 
bret > tna. Only thing good about tna was the main event. Am I the only one that cant stand the tna audience. The mark out on everthing. I like the surprises on tna but still there production stuck there was to much talking about tna is this and that and the young guys dont look like they are going to grow. Bret and shawn moment was better then the whole tna. Shawn showed me that he is the same old shawn. What he said was mad disrespectful. I kind of think if bret didn't have a stroke he would be the same old pussy that he was. I liked tna but the bret hart moment was just better. If raw didn't have bret I think the show would of sucked. Oh yeah I hate those stupid tna marks screaming WHO NEEDS BRET. Disrespectul goofy looking as fans.

Posted By: madness (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:48 AM

 
 
Raw had a historic moment that closed the epic chapter between HBK/Hart after 12 long years. Some solid matches and direction leading to the Rumble[finally wwe had some direction]. TNA had Hogan saying the stuff he'd been saying. And the Nasty Boys were featured in multiple segments. What is this, WCW 2000? The Angle/AJ and Womens Tag were great, but they didnt set much up with them.

Posted By: Derek (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:48 AM

 
 
seeing Bret Hart back in the WWE world really was amazing, especially being there live, but I did feel like the show could have been much better. WWE must have really not cared about 'winning'. I am a wrestling fan and will probably download TNA tomorrow, but for now Im still on my Raw high. The crowd ripped the arena apart when Hart came out, it was amazing to be one of the people chanting for Bret. I was stunned at the ending to Raw, but was wondering, isn't Bret signed to a 3-4 month contract with WWE? or was this only for the raw guest host spot? I really like the beginning 'continuation' of this whole saga, I think they can do great things with it.

Posted By: BP (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:50 AM

 
 
I wish bret would of been on tna instead. I think they disrepected bre from shawn to vince. They did not diserve bret.Imagine if bret was on tna raw would of got crushed. I agree I cant stand tna fans. Who needs bret? Real wrestling fans was happy to see bret TNA marks. TNA The New Era A for Era what retards.

Posted By: hartfan (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:51 AM

 
 
I thought it went about even. Both shows had good points and a lot of weak ones. But of course Raw will win the ratings war but I think TNA will pull a solid 2.0 and if not I'll be shocked.
Raw was still the same ol thing its been for the past year. Same guys winning over the guys they should be pushing and the guys they shouldnt push so hard have titles (Shemus) and are mere after thoughts. Bret Hart was wasted. No one wanted feel good make up moments. It seemed to forced. HHH wasn't even a part of it. I guess he's so big and mighty now he can't do that kind of thing. Bret should have taken the 1st shot...not Vince. Bret got screwed! But Vince once again has to be the big shot of the story. Just wasted. Kofi didn't go over just buried (to a degree) under the Legacy storyline which is such a slow burn who cares if Ted and Cody turns on Randy anymore. The Diva's match. HA! What a joke when it went up against Kong/Hamada vs Wild/Sirita title match. And I'm talking ability not looks wise. Botch O' mania!! And TNA has a lot of mistakes too. Nasty Boys? Come On Hogan they ya boys but nobody cares about them the Dudleys could whoop there ass any day of the week. Orlando Jordan...waste of time. Flair and Hardy was a nice touch. +5. Too many commercial breaks.like 3 before 8pm. Have your show timed and planed correctly if you wanted to bring out Hogan vs Hart. The "NWO" while a little bit less interesting then Bret and Shawn was nice to see those major players of that group together for the first time in a decade. But now where do you go from here TNA? Hall isn't dependable, Waltman, Jordan, Moore, and the Nasty boys arent going to cut it, Jeff Hardy has pending Legal issues and Flair is retired. TNA didn't showcase BEER! MONEY! They where laying on the FLOOR!!!!!! HUH? So was the MCMG. HUH? 2 of your best tag teams layed out? Team 3-d in japen? I can get 3-d but when you push tag team wrestling and then berry it on a big monday show like that is stupid. And Bischoff played his role well. Very believable as always but whats his plan down the road? Angle and A.J. +10. While Orton vs Kofi was good if your a "wrestling fan" like most clam to be on this sight then you SHOULD have been watching AJ and Angle. That match was killer! "WHO NEEDS BRET" chants was classic! I wanted Raw to have a great or even settle for a good match but none even reached a 6 on a 10 scale. Not a lot of positives for Raw cept for BRET HART!! You gotta follow it up stronger. Tonight TNA did a better job even though they could have done better. But I enjoyed flipping the channels for the 1st time in almost a decade and comparing the shows live. Brings back memories. Thank You WWE and TNA. Hope it happens again real soon!


Posted By: O T O (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:57 AM

 
 
Tonight may have been a big swing in momentum. Hey Vince..thats TNA at your doorstep..betta raise ya game cause this BS ain't gonna fly!!!!!!!!

Posted By: Glen R. (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:59 AM

 
 
Yea madness..who needs Bret. A guy who can't wrestle and got owned in the ring by Vince at the end. He came back and was made a fool. People wanted to see Bret smack Vince if not kick his ass. But we got a HBK/Bret hug and a nutshot from Vince. Yea...who needs Bret? After all this time the guy got owned. What a downer. :( And I dont even like TNA.

Posted By: yep (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:02 AM

 
 
RAW +3
TNA +2 +1 for better show


Posted By: Rating (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:07 AM

 
 
My god Raw Sucked. Just Bret Hart. :( EPIC FAIL!

Posted By: WOw (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:14 AM

 
 
You know, after seeing both shows, I think it's great that there is competition again. Seriously, this is what wrestling needs. WWE has gotten soft due to no competition. TNA delivered a ***** PPV style match in their main event tonight while RAW continued a 12 year rivalry storyline. I really do hope that the competition brings out the best in both companies.

Posted By: KevDogg (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:35 AM

 
 
where was i and who is bret hart

Posted By: Cena (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:39 AM

 
 
The Monday Night Wars are on.....Folks in Stamford still number 1 ...took Hogan/Flair/Hall/Hardy/Waldman and Sting to match Bret Hart.

When you strip away what TNA truly did in this episode and get down to the bare essentials, All it was, was basically them sucking up to the Hulk Hogan crew and basically TNA became a rehashed edition of WCW Monday Nitro. On Raw, you saw alot of progress and movement towards the rumble and establish angles for 2010


Posted By: iceberg (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:45 AM

 
 
Am I the only one that noticed that Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair were removed from the pre-intro open with all the historical clips?

Posted By: A King (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:47 AM

 
 
shawn vs hhh at mania bret in shawns corner vince in hhhs

Posted By: Deano (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:47 AM

 
 
I was flipping Chanel during the Diva and Knockout matches. I eventually settled on the Knockouts tag match because they can deliver. Why WWE overlooked these women is beyond me. Over all, the edge might go to TNA but only because they put on two great matches, Knockout tag match and the main event, that I didn't see but I heard it was good. WWE was anti-climatic at best.

Posted By: Jerry (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:49 AM

 
 
I predict the WWE Diva's title tournament will be won by the debuting Diva named Who Cares

Posted By: Guest#0509 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:52 AM

 
 
They made Bret look pretty weak, which I was afraid would happen. Shawn and Vince were like "I don't like you", while Bret seemed too eager to put everything aside. I just don't know if Bret has the passion in him anymore to pull this off. That tends to happen to most people that walk away from the business and then try to return. They can't fake that anger anymore. Now Bret just looks like an old guy that wants to be everbody's friend. That's okay in the real world, but doesn't work in pro wrestling. He better start slapping Vince like a bitch and calling him a "no good stinking hyenna", like he did in 1997, or Hitman fans are going to be very letdown.

Posted By: Guest#5961 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:57 AM

 
 
Bret getting kick in the nuts is the begining of a good storyline where you are like "what is going to happen next" compare to tna wasteing there ppv main event on tv and nwo jumping some homeless dude. Yeah yep that's really going to put some butts in seats. bret and hbk hugging goose bumps. tna bringing in hogan = hogan burying young guys. Bret doesn't wrestle idiot and if he does for one time only atleast it will be one time unlike hogan. Talk trash and say bret cant move in the ring. Hogan couldn't move in the rings for year dude. I went to summerslam in boston when he fought orton all he did was punch, kick, bodyslam, and sloppy big leg drop so before you say that bret cant fight remember that hogan couldn't fight for years.

Posted By: DaMan (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:04 AM

 
 
Both pretty over hyped squash hornswogles entire promo or tv time and give it to fatal 4 way. Kill divas match give that little bit to Orton and Kofi and Sheamus...yea thats about all you could do with that. Brett hugged Micheals good stuff but Brett seemed so mello. Damn it show some emotion.

Posted By: DDP (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:05 AM

 
 
I guess yep is a goofy tna mark. I know you like tna yep dont try to cover it up and say you dont. Bret and vince is the start of a awesome storyline and your goofy ass is going to watch every minute of it. Vince really got owned you idiot because bret spit on him and knocked him out. WHO NEEDS BRET? TNA because they are going to still lose to raw because of there 3 hour promo show and only two good matches. More like who needs hogan?

Posted By: DaMan (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:17 AM

 
 
Has anyone stopped to consider that both company's product is sub par. Being a life long Bret Hart fan(atic) I was a little disappointed in Raw. It was the same as it has been for what seems like years. The only time I was really happy was when Jericho kicked Hornswoggle in the head. That was awesome. The Bret/Shawn thing might have made me happy had I thought it was real and not just for show. Bret let me down by agreeing to do this, the Hall of Fame was excusable, this wasn't. DX didn't even come out for the after show celebration. Suck It. I don't really know where this is leading but it might not be very good.

Now to TNA. What the fuck? The first match was abysmal. What would have made that show shine would have been an X-Division tournament with every match getting at least 10 minutes, Lord knows they had plenty of time for all of the other nonsense that we saw. Instead they all get shoved into a blurry cage for a match that had the crowd chanting "This is Bull___", I'm sure that is what they wanted. Jeff Hardy was kinda cool but it doesn't change anything. We didn't need to see Hall, Sean, The Nastys or Bubba, none of that makes the slightest bit of difference or business sense. Why is it so hard to just give people wrestling? Two people that do not like each other and want to fight it out. That is all that is necessary. The Knockout Division is horrible and the tag match went way past the point of an acceptable amount of time, more time that could have been given to talented wrestlers to showcase their skills to the fans that they are so insistent that they are trying to bring in. I really wanted this to be good, I swear. TNA must get off on disappointing me or something. The Angle/Styles match was okay but it felt like they were going through the motions, killing time until we got to see Hogan again. And what the hell is up with his nWo remix intro? A sense of foreboding flooded over me the instant I heard that. Not that I had truly expected anything else, regardless of what I may have wanted.

My point is that both shows suck equally week in and week out, and while each have their moments of glory on occasion they do nothing to make me proud to call myself a wrestling fan, they would need to present a product similar to wrestling in order to do that. Luckily there is Garan over at Justin, if anyone is interested in seeing good wrestling.


Posted By: Squid Vicious (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:26 AM

 
 
you losers complaining about Vince beating up bret do know he will be back right? I am not shocked at the WWE and TNA marks are bitching about stuff when there was TWO good shows on but you Marks still gripe

Posted By: Guest#8531 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:34 AM

 
 
LOL @ Erik. Impact was so bad tonight bar the main event.

Posted By: Guest#3539 (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 01:24 AM

LOL HAHA ROFL!!! LOL!!

Wow...what a statement. First off, the main event ALONE was better than anything RAW put together tonight. Secondly, Knockouts tag bout was great as well as Des v. Dinero (coulda used more time though). And what made Impact so great and had people tuning in is the fact you didn't know what was going to be happening next...Jeff Hardy run-in, Ric Flair walking out, the classic Val Venis...

Trust me, I am die hard WWE fan for 20 years....I love it...but tonight, they didn't give me much of a reason to watch over TNA. I was so certain I would be glued to Bret Hart returning. And I was for the first 15 minutes...after that it was just the same shit with a bastardized DX, terrible Diva matches, the fucking midget and then Vince stroking his fat ego...

Sorry, but I didn't really see anything great about this evenings RAW. The surreal images of Bret Hart were too little...and in my opinion, about 5 years too late for most of today's fans to give a shit. Like I said, forever a fan of WWE...and that's why I wish that they would step it up.


Posted By: Erik... (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:37 AM

 
 
Yea madness..who needs Bret. A guy who can't wrestle and got owned in the ring by Vince at the end. He came back and was made a fool. People wanted to see Bret smack Vince if not kick his ass. But we got a HBK/Bret hug and a nutshot from Vince. Yea...who needs Bret? After all this time the guy got owned. What a downer. :( And I dont even like TNA.

Posted By: yep (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 02:02 AM

You must have missed the part where the stuff between Vince and Bret is part of a LARGER storyline that will unfold over the next few months.

Bret will get his. You just didn't get to see it tonight.


Posted By: Guest#7936 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:05 AM

 
 
Now for tonight's Raw discussion..it again, much like TNA is up and down for me.

Obviously, the most surreal moment in a wrestling ring since Shane O Mac was on Nitro occurred with Bret and Shawn embracing. For all that don't know the history there, I suggest you do some research, cause it is big!

As for the rest of the night, it was basically a typical Raw. Disapointing to see Kofi de-pushed even more, and for Jericho to look weak once again. No one was elevated at all tonight, except for MVP, but he's been there before.

I really think that WWE had a chance to do something big with the final segment, but they chose to spoil it only to set up a Bret-Vince thing for Mania possibly. I like the possible storyline there, but when this guy has not been a part of your company for 12 years, treat it a little better. Bret's return was great to see, but it never mustered the "special" feel that it needed and the feel that TNA put on tonight. The Bret-Shawn moment is historic, but that's about it. Nothing else really stood out.

I had hoped that Vince would have made it bigger than he did, but apparently he doesn't sweat TNA. Rightfully so right now he don't need to, but that company made a HUGE step going live and head-to-head tonight. Vince should have taken that more seriously.

TNA had its flaws too, they still made their efforts tonight seem much more special than Raw and could prove to be great things for the wrestling world in the coming months..

For all those that are claiming that wrestling is dead as of tonight...I say this one thing.. HAHAHAHA! You my friends, are idiots! IF you don't like the big two, get HDNet and watch ROH, another great company. I hope Monday becomes a steady of both, cause wrestling as a whole can only prosper from it.


Posted By: Skiddy (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:07 AM

 
 
This show was not good.

Brett and Shawn in the opening segment was ok but it was pretty clear that neither guy really meant what they said. You could tell by the look on Brett's face that he was not 100% down with what took place.

Orton beats Kofi again? What has Kofi done to deserve getting BERRIED on TV yet again? He was the #1 up and coming guy they had but they have totally pulled the rug out from under him. Also, no one cares about Legacy. The time to break them up was after the Orton/Dibiase match many weeks(or months?) ago.

DX wins. Your most entertaining character must now leave the show (for reals this time). Congratulations WWE.

The Vince/Brett confrontation at the end was cringewothingly awkward. The ending was incredibly predictable. I really don't want to see Brett wrestle, I love him but he looked old tonight.

Also please have Seamus get a tan, I get that you want him to "look different" and I'm not saying that I want him to be Hulk Hogan in the 80s orange... I just don't want to have to adjust the fucking brightness on my TV every time he comes out.


Posted By: t-money (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:08 AM

 
 
"Winner: Randy Orton (Pinfall-RKO ***)"

How can you book Orton to win? It defeats the entire point of the fued!!

I can only expect Kofi tosses Orton from the Rumble then beats him in a gimmick match at NWO to give him momentum to win MITB. Either that, or the push was all for naught.

And if nothing else, you know Shawn Michaels is going to have a very, very interesting Road to Wrestlemania.


Posted By: Quimby (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:29 AM

 
 
HBK&Bret vs Vince&Owen Hart(soon to be resurected by the Undertaker)

Posted By: choopa69 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:29 AM

 
 
If I'm not mistaken Miz has yet to feud with ANYONE for the US title since he won it. I mean he had that match with Henry awhile back but that wasn't a real feud really.

Posted By: Guest#5913 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:24 AM

 
 
Witnessing Bret Hart & HBK hug in the middle of the ring was definitely a surreal moment. It made us folks in attendance feel like extras in a Twilight Zone episode as i'm sure people at home did a doubletake as well.

Bret stayed in the ring when RAW went off the air & got a nice send-off from about 15 wrestlers including The Hart Dynasty-(DH Smith, Natalya & Tyson Kidd), MVP and Mark Henry as they hoisted "the Hitman" on their shoulders and allotted him some much deserved face time from the crowd.

Bret made the rounds and shook hands and mingled with fans at ringside afterwards just like the good ole' days. I even got to shake his hand as I told him, "Thank you Bret."

The tag match by far stole the show...and Maryse looks even hotter live. Still can't figure out why they're pushing Miz so much. Tonight it looked as if they pulled em' straight out of prep school. He sucks.

I didn't like the ending much as there's no reason for Vince to get in a cheap shot like that except if it's beginning a climactic build for WrestleMania. I hope the rumors of the 4-month contract and Bret vs. Vince at WM are true. If so, this is an intriguing start.


Posted By: onephatdude (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:42 AM

 
 
You have to be a goddamned WWE fanboy who owns a million Cena posters not to see that Impact was in fact a better show than Raw.

The only good thing about RAW was the Bret and Shawn hug, everything else stank the same way everything has been garbage since 2002.

How many times are they going to bury Jericho? When the hell does this Triple H killing Jericho end? He has been doing it since WM18 for gods sake.


Posted By: Nightz (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:47 AM

 
 
Quote: "This is eerilly similar to watching the oakland raiders and knowing that no matter how many first round draft picks they can have or how much potential talent they have a chance at, there is a senile egomanaical old fool running the ship that doesnt want to change..."

Are you sure you aren't talking about the Lions?


Posted By: Guest#3049 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:53 AM

 
 
Wow, twice the amount of comments for Impact than Raw! Anyway, of course I had to check out Raw since Bret is my all time favorite and the one that got me hooked on wrestling. Even though I watched mostly Impact, I flipped back and forth (like it was '97 all over again, literally!). I was lucky enough to catch all 3 Bret segments, so I'm content. Bret did look old but that's what happens when you...get old. From the other random moments I saw, Raw this was a good show. I wasn't blown away, but then again-I hardly ever watch Raw and so i wasn't expecting to be.

To Rob McNew: I've always enjoyed your recaps as that's how I keep up with Raw mostly, but always thought that you had a bias towards it, even though they generally have as much bs as Impact most of the time. However, I can appreciate your criticism of the same shit that I don't like: Hornswaggle, shitty women's wrestling, and as someone else said-shitty champs. Don't get me wrong, Miz and Sheamus may one day become legends, but try hard as he may-I just want the Miz off my screen, and although I don't hate him as much as Miz, I still can't get into Sheamus. Of course he looks beastly smashing jobbers, but I just laugh at the sight of a huge, pale ginger on the screen! But yea, TNA obviously wins in the women's wrestling area, and while watching Maryse's entrance, I remembered reading a rumor on this site that they would throw her out there to counter TNA's women. What a fuckin joke! Maryse is hot and all, but what makes her different from every other heel "diva" in WWE? She flicks her hair and waves her hand in a dismissive gesture-is that her character? And that line about botching her hair flip was classic, I think that's the exact point that I flipped back to TNA.

Before I go, I don't wanna start drama about race, but what someone said about the treatment of black wrestlers in the 'E does have a bit of weight to it. Hopefully, Kofi can recover and still become a main eventer, which I think he will after this year's MITB. He's still young and over, so a loss to Orton doesn't hurt that much. ANd even though MVP won tongiht, he's going after a title that has very little credibility at this point. I know belts are just "props" nowadays but wow. I know you gotta connect with the crowd to make it to the very top, but MVP was once pretty over and couldn't even CHALLENGE for the belt, yet they give it to Sheamus? With that said, TNA has had their share of misfires (Monty Brown). But hopefully the Pope can change that sometime down the road. I'm not saying every black wrestler should be World champ, but why not give one the chance and try to build on that demographic. similar to Rey? Is it "The Man" holding black wrestlers down, or is it their inability to run with the ball at the top level?


Posted By: amusing comments (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:11 AM

 
 
Raw's first 15 minutes: Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels work it out.

Impact's first 15 minutes: the fans shit on the match, Homicide can't even get out of the cage and Druggie Hardy returns to TNA... with Shannon Moore.

That's all you need to know about TNA's chances of winning their "war" with WWE.


Posted By: David O (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:18 AM

 
 
For the first time in years im actually excited to see what happens next. And I havnt marked out during a raw this much since HBK vs HHH December of 2003 main event.

Posted By: AG Awesome (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:30 AM

 
 
Best of show
1. Seeing Bret Hart again
2. Santino as Jericho
3. Jericho giving the boot to Hornys helmet

Worst of show
1. Not enough Bret
2. Horny is not dead
3. Vince getting the best of Bret


Posted By: skutar (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:49 AM

 
 
I need a definition of a SMARK. I may be one.

Posted By: Guest#2458 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:51 AM

 
 
i just read that orlando jordan and val venis were in tna and i wasted my time on bret hart oh shit

Posted By: damn (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 07:28 AM

 
 
Clearly the HBK and Bret Hart was faked by Vince, neither will ever get along. Where was the rest of the roster too when Raw went off the air ?

Posted By: Yorkshire1 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 07:53 AM

 
 
It was surreal to see Bret on WWE again, but he should have taken the first shot for sure. I loved flipping back and forth between the two shows. By the way Sheamus needs a tan.

Posted By: JM (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 07:57 AM

 
 
Someone's going to have to explain to me what was exciting about TNA...the 50-somethings in leather jackets trying to cheat irrelevance one more time? Jeff "Bob Ross" Hardy making a huge splash by PAINTING in the locker room (maybe next week he'll do watercolor and some happy clouds, or a still-life of a fruit bowl)? No less than THREE segments featuring the Nasty Boys? THREE!?!?! The big red cage that was so massive and obstructive that you couldn't even see what was going on inside it? Or maybe my personal favorite, the early footage that (instead of showcasing actual TNA talent) showcased TNA fans telling us how great the product is...yep, that's how you should start off the most important show in company history - not by proving to me that TNA is great, but instead by having a moron with a TNA logo tattooed on his arm TELLING me that TNA is great.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed TNA and it definitely reminded me of the old days with big stars popping up all over the place (Flair, Hardy, Hogan, Sting, Nobbs...well, maybe not the last one) but it seemed too much like WCW in the quantity over quality department...Angle/Styles was great, but I would have liked to have seen a bigger focus on the home-grown talent and the future stars of TNA, (which I thought was what Hogan promised) instead of freaking Nasty Boys and X-Pac. I feel like TNA could have done so much more and really blew it with this show... aside from the angle/styles match, a good womens match and a general "anything can happen, who's gonna show up next" kinda feel, there was nothing really special about this show...unless you like 50 year olds pretending to be cool like its 1996 again... TNA had too many stars and made very little happen with any of them, whereas WWE brought back one major star, centered the show around him, set the stage for the inevitable (yes, it will happen) Bret vs. Vince match at Wrestlemania and for the first time in a LONG TIME made me want to tune in next week to follow up on Vince/Bret and see what happens next. The rest of raw...same garbage as every week, unfortunately, but the Bret Hart stuff was pure gold and for a few hours made me feel like a kid again. I enjoyed seeing the old faces on TNA (as well as the new), but I loved seeing Bret Hart on Raw and anticipating what's to come.

Also, is there any kind of drinking game pertaining to old wrestlers in leather jackets? if so, there were a lot of drunk wrestling fans last night.


Posted By: John B Hopkins (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:03 AM

 
 
The Bret stuff blew away the Hogan stuff today. Impact did have the better matches, but honestly I cared more about what happened on RAW. Why did TNA try to swerve with tension between Hogan and Hall/Pac/Nash when Hogan clearly came out to a ripoff nWo theme? I mean c'mon.

Posted By: King Tony (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:13 AM

 
 
I agree that the two shows pulled about even tonight.

Impact had better high spots, but worse low spots. And the booking was damn near epileptic.

Raw was more consistent, but didn't really feel epic by any means. Instead of being an awesome Raw, it was just "Normal Raw + Bret"... nothing worth getting in a twist over.

From an interest standpoint, TNA was far more interesting. The problem is, their first hour kind of sucked until Hogan talked -- not the best way to capture fans (especially since their first match, a can't-miss X-Division match, missed badly).

If I were a new fan, I think Impact would probably draw my interest more (if I could make it through the whole thing to see the stellar AJ/Angle match). If I were a long-time fan who hadn't watched since the end of WCW, Raw just might be safer. Either way, tonight was like 1997 all over again -- in a good way, and a bad way (Tyson, seriously? When did Mr Peabody get here with the wayback machine?)

Neither show was what they should have been, but neither was a complete failure.


Posted By: Guest #1234 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:14 AM

 
 
I lost interest in WWF about 8 years ago and haven't been interested since. That is, until last night when I was glued to the set for both WWE and TNA. The fun is back!

Posted By: Smooth (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:25 AM

 
 
"and in one of the single most shocking things I've ever seen they embrace. I just saw Bret Hart HUG Shawn Michaels. "

dude, you know this is all scripted right?


Posted By: hiro (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:28 AM

 
 
Were some of the fans chanting "We want Hogan" or was I just trippin?

Overall what I saw was good. I missed Kofi/Orton but it looks like Kofi's push is done or at least staled for now and WWE is going for Orton/DiBiase at Mania.

I saw the last half of Jerishow/DX and it was pretty good. I'm kind of glad Y2J is gonna be exclusive to SD because he's been working his ass of on all three shows last year.

missed 90% of the backstage stuff so I can't grade Raw too hard.

Overall what I saw was good.


Posted By: Dab (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:30 AM

 
 
"Great match with a ridiculously hot finish."

how is that then just a 3.5? a 3 mneans it's just average


Posted By: hiro (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:39 AM

 
 
WWE is much better to watch on DVR than TNA. Raw is so formulaic and repetitive that I know when I'm supposed to fast-forward. A 2-hour Raw like this in 30-45 minutes is actually a great show. I'm not really sure what's going to happen in TNA, so I can't really fast-forward effectively. The problem with that is, once it's over, I'm wishing I'd fast-forwarded through the TNA garbage I just watched. You could probably get a great 30-45 minutes out of Impact tonight, but you have to sit through 3 hours to find it. Raw is predictable enough that you know when your favorite 30-45 minutes will be on and can fast-forward through what you don't like (for me, it's Divas matches, Orton's promos or offense, most Hornswaggle stuff, Mark Henry matches at 4x cuz that looks like regular time with him, predictable 4-way finisher parades, introductions, DX pre and post match promos). Heck, you can also get a head start on the commercials because you know they're coming when the wrestlers are regrouping outside the ring. TNA throws in 5 seconds of the show during the commercial break to throw you off.

Posted By: bill (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:42 AM

 
 
Raw was a tremendous letdown...while Bret and Shawn had an awesome segment, the Vince/Bret segment ended with a nutshot and walk to the back.

Really? They could have done better. I know Bret is going to be around for a while, but still...its not like the matches on Raw compensated for the letdown of this segment. Orton-Kingston was fine, but everyone else seemed to phone it in.


Posted By: Guest#2818 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:48 AM

 
 
Even more proof that WWE can even fuck up Bret Hart's return. Way to go Vince. At least we didn't see John Cena last night.

Posted By: Sink (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:53 AM

 
 
I really just give up as there obviously are NO real WWE fans. The Bret Hart thing is a small part of a much bigger angle you guys obviously dont get. Vince Russo ruined everyone because you all expect a storyline to start and finish in the same night.

Posted By: Radtke (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 08:56 AM

 
 
Oh my god...what will please you fuckin people? That was the end of one of the most talked about incidents in wrestling history and the damn smark crowd bitches at 75 mph.Also while im thinking about it, why so pretentious? calling the Rock and Triple H by their first names is really just a way to swing your smark balls and pretend that you are way on the inside. their names are well known and using the first names kind of makes you look like an asshole. just food for thought dude

Posted By: old school fan (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:11 AM

 
 
I watched some portions of TNA for the first time yesterday and I have one thought that comes to mind... This company is basically WCW. And I think its clear as day that it is Deja Vu all over again. This company will go down sooner rather than later.

WWE RAW on the other hand was truly an epic episode. I never dreamt that i would see bret in shawn shake hands and HUG afterwards. and With Vince giving the low blow was just the beginning of what i think will be the biggest story line of the year.


Posted By: Guest#0695 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:14 AM

 
 
I hate to admit it, but Raw put on the better show last night, Impact only really had the main event to show for their 3 hours, whereas Raw was very solid throughout, Orton v Kofi and the Tag title match were very good and the Bret Hart segments to open and close the show were epic and kick started what will probably be a great storyline leading to Wrestlemania, I was hoping for something big from TNA as well that they could build from in the coming months, instead they gave us another NWO reunion, I hope when the rating comes in they realize nobody wants to see that anymore, they all looked so old.

Posted By: TNA316 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:16 AM

 
 
The Bella girls should be fired, they are excruciatingly bad, the way Maryse didn't fall for their act and squashed them was epic.

Posted By: eg1992 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:22 AM

 
 
Raw won the "skirmish" in my opinion. Aside from Styles-Angle and the return of Jeff Hardy and the debut (or appearance?) of Ric Flair, Impact felt lackluster to me, especially during the first hour...which is also one of my biggest disappointments. I think that "first hour advantage" should have persuaded the viewer enough not to switch channels. Instead, all we got was a not-so-stellar cage match with a shitty finish. Raw at least managed to keep my interests up all throughout the show (did not like the end though).

Posted By: PASTA!!! (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:37 AM

 
 
Did anybody else notice that before the DX match that Triple H leaves the ring and puts his DX headband on a kid...shot at Bret Hart???

Posted By: greg (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:38 AM

 
 
Good lord, will you people stop bitching?? Jesus Christ, you had Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels HUG in the middle of the ring and you people are still whining and complaining. That is a moment that NOBODY ever thought would happen. Everyone was convinced that Bret and Shawn would go to their graves still hating each other. So to see them hug was probably the most surreal moment in the history of Raw (even more surreal than Vince hugging Bischoff).

The rest of the show was good as well. You had a great tag team match and the Kofi/Orton match was great as well. The closing segment with Vince and Bret was great and sets up their feud.

I know everybody was hoping that Bret would come back, bring the Hart Dynasty with him and make life a living hell for Vince and DX. But I think this is a better way to go because it shows that Bret just wants to forget Montreal and mend fences. HBK was willing to, but Vince wasn't. So now, the Bret/Vince feud will kick into high gear and I for one can't wait to see where they go from here.


Posted By: Monty (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:43 AM

 
 
Anybody else think that the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels segment was the equivalent of them agreeing to do a match together but not putting one of the other over. Shawn started out by burying Bret. But whatever it's been over 12 years.

Posted By: FredHampton (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:44 AM

 
 
TNA sucked ass tonight...it was rehash of WCW from like 10 years ago...what a joke. DQ in a cage match?!?! Are you fucking kidding me...TNA sucked ass, NWO guys? Even the WWE got rid of that sad act around 2002...are you kidding me?

WWE - all time moment bret and shawn, and the tag match was pretty sweet. TNA has NOTHING to compare to the Bret-Shawn moment OR the Bret-Vince moment at the end.


Posted By: james (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:44 AM

 
 
People have asked why they idn't stack this show to "fight" TNA, I just have to ask, why should they?
I mean, this is probably the EXACT SAME show it would have been if TNA wasn't on last night, they didn't just work out to this Bret angle overnight, people.


Posted By: Guest#9068 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:03 AM

 
 
LOL!!!! what's wrong cats got you're fucking tongue's all that hype you all was sprewing about bret's return to wwe, nobody wants to watch hogan!! he's too old, his ego to large for tna, he's bringing his buddies in to take over tna, blah blah blah......LOL!!! AFTER READING WHAT HAPPEN AT RAW I CAN SAFELY SAY LOL!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Posted By: nikki (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:05 AM

 
 
This was the first time in a long time I was excited. and I'm NOT Hart fan but I had goosebumps. It was great, it builds for WM26 anyone complaining needs to GTFO!

Posted By: Guest#8302 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:12 AM

 
 
TNA pretty much killed their wellness policy last night. They gained a few accidents waiting to happen. they tried but I don't see things going well in 2010 for them.

I enjoyed RAW and the nutshot by Vince was cheap because IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAP YOU FUCKING MORONS. It's called building...geez


Posted By: Guest#5770 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:16 AM

 
 
HBK And Bret Hart Hugging...seriously anyone complaining needs to stop watching wrestling. You clearly have no soul.

Posted By: Guest#3611 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:21 AM

 
 
RAW was boring I'm glad I watched TNA impact!

Posted By: technicalwrestlersrule (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:26 AM

 
 
You people have no concept of how to tell a story. Bret Hart's involvement is obviously not a one time deal. He's probably with the company until Wrestlemania...which is at the end of March. They have three months to tell a story involving two guys who can't really wrestle anymore...that's going to take some time. It also made sense for them to close up old business so they could focus on the new story. HHH will get involved soon enough. The problem with many of you is that you have no patience to see where things are going...like those who didn't like the Fellowship of the Ring. It's the beginning of a long story so sure, not much will happen. And yes, Vince has to fire the first shot, he's the villain. Honestly, I don't know why many of you still watch wrestling because you don't seem to be capable of following a story, you just want to see spot-fests and gore. This is proven by the love fest over the Monday Impact special, which when you look at it honestly was a bunch of crap thrown at the wall. There was no story, no build, no tension, a lot of inconsistencies and a main event full of spots with nothing to connect them but other spots. It was like watching Transformers 2...sure it looks nice but nothing made sense. TNA is only entertaining if you have ADHD and poor long term memory.

Posted By: Mark Radulich (Registered)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:51 AM

 
 
TNA > WWE

Posted By: true (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 11:51 AM

 
 
Raw brought in one guy and started an angle that will last til Wrestlemania. Impact brought in a bunch guys and threw shit against the wall and hoped something sticks. Big difference.

Posted By: Brimstone (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:33 PM

 
 
Am I the only one who smells a swerve with Michaels/Hart burying the hatchet, and the Vince/Hart ending???

Vince and Bret will "screw" Shawn Michaels either at the Rumble or Wrestlemania...


Posted By: Brian (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:42 PM

 
 
A segment for the ages (Bret/HBK) followed by more of the same kind of material we've been forced to live with for years now. With Bret/HBK-Raw was a 7.0. Without it, it was a 4.5.

Posted By: Chris (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 12:58 PM

 
 
well...........................

i dont know what the ratings were....but..

tna was far better than raw...............

i flipped a few times to se bret....but that was it...........

on tna we got to see a lot of old faces and we also got the tv maty....25min title match 4 1/4 star........

and a good chick tag match 3 star...


Posted By: Guest#3795 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:06 PM

 
 
I'm most intrigued by what kind of reaction HBK will get next time they're in Montreal.

There's a part of me that believes the Canadiens will STILL boo and chant the guy.


Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:28 PM

 
 
Wow, Shawn And Bret make up. I have to wonder though, was it just for the cameras? Because their body language told a different tsory, in that there's a begrudging sense of tolerance there. Still, a pretty surreal visual, and hopefully this whole Montreal thing can be put to rest. I got a real sense of closure out of tonight's show.

Cool to see MVP get a win again. I'd love for them to remmebr he's one of the most talented wrestlers on the roster and challenge Miz for the title. Could we also see MVP turn heel and split up with Henry?

Goddamnit, why do they keep jobbing out Kofi to Orton? I feel they've really blown an oppurtunity with him. They coulda given him the win against Orton here to blow off the feud AND kickstart the implosion of Legacy (which has me interested but with how they keep starting and then ending the angle numerous times over the past year or so).

Women's match sucked as usual. TNA has them clearly beat in that department so bad it's not even funny.

A DX split and feud seems to be a slow burn. At least Michaels-HHH hasn't been done in a while.

The show was interesting. At first the promo at the end with Vince and Bret was a bit heartfelt but the crowd seemed ready to see Bret tear Vince to pieces. I was like "Well at least they're going the classy route" until the swerve at the end. Interested to see hwere this goes, but this is a money feud that they would be crzy to pass up.

Sheamus actually is getting kinda over. Listen to the boos and heat he gets now; a big step-up from when he first hit the scene. Just by virtue of stomping on everyone's hero Cena (who they curiously didn't even mention the absence of), people despise the man now.


Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:29 PM

 
 
So... amidst all the Hitmananigans, JeriShow and the obvious money match versus Edge + mystery partner was killed for good, because... what? HHH is having too much fun as tag champ?

There were easy storylines that could have put the belts back on JS - Hart interferes, setting up a Hart/HBK "final battle" down the road.

But no... Jericho goes and gets buried on Smackdown for awhile (like he's going to be anywhere near the belt while they pass it back and forth between Big Dave and Undertaker from here to 'Mania...)

Maybe... MAYBE Vince can save it next week, by giving JeriShow another rematch (and the belts back) as "payback" to HBK for making nice with Hart.


Posted By: Al Lawson (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:29 PM

 
 
Last night I drank a beer but I had been thinking all week waiting. So I tune in to TNA at 8. Well, that was... bad, but good for them. And hey it's literally WCW II or WCW Jr. And whats sad is that WWE is basically WWF Jr.!

Hogan! Man I won't lie I wouldn't mind seeing the nWo reformation. Nash is still right there as Big Daddy Sexy cuz the interview girl was all on him. He was very chill. I liked that. But man, Scott Hall.

HAHA. Was that really Scott Hall? Damn. That kind of killed it. You know but Sting in the Rafters was sealing the deal. This is WCW II. Hogan! You know he is still the man. And then Angle and AJ was PPV quality for free on TV. TNA is doing more right than WWE right now.

Because it was still you know, more watchable than a midget in a helmet. At least this has semblency of pro wrestling instead of this hollywood non sequitar garbage in WWE.



Bret Hart? Unreal. I flipped the channel from Hogan and I was shocked. The whole exchange with Shawn Micheals was epic. This was definitely the highest point of both shows, by far. Shit, this is just... as big a move possible by WWE. And it looks like there will be more... if not, that would be a shame for it to end like but that itself begs the question...

The rest of RAW is terrible. Bourne has more reaction than Shaemus! And I am confused...The WWE Title is basically the Newcomer title now. But ironically only if you have pull backstage or something. The crowd is just dead silent for Shaemus its hilarious. Did anyone else see the Huge drawing of Shaemus next to the POOP sign? Artistic!

Oh and have two more glaring problems with RAW besides the usual of Micheal Cole and Hornswoggle and that being the Miz. This guy obviously never took a French class. What a dolt. It pisses me off that he gets to stand there with the French Goddess Maryse. She can donne-moi un bizou français anytime. She is so hot. At least WWE has got beautiful girls compared to TNA. If they can only integrate a little better. Or something. Instead of botching moves its just painful to watch. I often cannot watch the Divas in the ring. No bra and panties? Crowd is dead.

Oh the other huge problem other than Vince stroking himself boasting in front of a crowd and the loss of the best performer in Jericho and that would be the Orton/Kofi debacle.

Let me say this, you would not even remember that Kofi smashed Orton's NASCAR. Probably because Kofi Johnson lives in infamy at Summerfest being more memorable. But they have really poorly booked these two. Kofi got a win at a PPV that not everybody saw, and has lost any possible momentum losing to Orton and his cronies time after time. Look, I was fine with him before this fued. Now you're just treating him like Jericho. And MVP is getting a win? Wow that was needed in 09


Posted By: Maryse/Eve Fanboy (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 01:55 PM

 
 
gotta love wwe marks

Bret Harts return was a fail n u all know it.no interaction with the dynasty he patched things up with hbgay n then starts a feud with vince? how epic


Posted By: Guest#8492 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 02:03 PM

 
 
I have to laugh at the idiots who complain that Vince got the better of Bret, the storyline will continue, cant you stupid people see that?

Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:35 PM

 
 
The Bret-HBK thing seemed more staged than sincere. If you've read Bret's book, you know HBK didn't respect Bret at all. And it's hard to believe a Bret-Vince feud without mentioning Owen, which is what probably kept Bret from returning more than the screwjob (at te same time, I do respect them for keeping Owen out)

I dunno, I think if they're going to make it so obviously staged, I would've had more fun with it. In my perfect bizarro world, I'd have DX bring out the Hitman midget again and Bret doing some kinda altercation. Anything to stop HBK-Taker 2 from happening at Mania!


Posted By: y2kev (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 03:38 PM

 
 
Both shows failed to live up to the hype.

The nostalgia was nice; it was like turning on a copy of No Mercy with tons of old CAWs on it.

But outside of seeing stars who looked shockingly aged, nothing revolutionary happened.


Posted By: Guest#3898 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:02 PM

 
 
So I dvr'd Raw watched Impact, the only bad part of the show was the diva's match other than that Orton/Kofi was a decent TV match and the tag match was really good. Bret was great, the thing with Vince was predictable but a decent set up for the coming weeks. Impact was total dross until the Main Event, which was great but overall RAW had much better pacing, angles, the show just felt better which surprised me.

Posted By: Guest#9850 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:05 PM

 
 
"Maryse is hot and all, but what makes her different from every other heel "diva" in WWE?"

Maryse stands out because everyone else blends together or has no charisma while she has tons of it. Michelle McCool, for example, struggles horribly and is incredibly forced when trying to do the act that Maryse does effortlessly.


Posted By: Guest#6888 (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:20 PM

 
 
What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that the Fiesta Bowl was on last night as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings for both shows actually dropped a little.

Posted By: ambrose (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 04:32 PM

 
 
You know, I just watched the clip again and I take that back, it's not that bad.

Still, I was thinking if DX dressed up HORNSWOGGLE as midget Bret, and had Bret take out DX, that would've been more of a closure than a hug. For me anyway. :)


Posted By: y2kev (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:04 PM

 
 
"Just seeing Bret and Shawn hug made this show epic win for me.

Legendary moment.

Posted By: ThatGuyWithTheCommonSense (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 12:04 AM"

AMEN, MY FRIEND!!! Truly a legendary and monumental moment!!! I even cried!


Posted By: DoubleADaGreat (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:17 PM

 
 
If you put the letter "S" infront of "Hitman" you've got my exact opinion of Bret Hart's return.

Posted By: Cold Stone (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:20 PM

 
 
I had watched the first hour of TNA... The Knockouts match was incredible, but other than that, I was mostly bored. Flipped to Raw and saw Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels FUCKING HUG!!!! That was historic. That was epic. How could that not be?... Also, the tag match was a pretty awesome match.

Posted By: Doc (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:28 PM

 
 
'WWE has officially gone down the toilet. TNA is the wave of the future. Accept it.'

yea, thank god for TNA and it desire to bring us all into 1999, whether we want it or not!


Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:47 PM

 
 
The hitman and shawn was great. been watch wrestling since the early 80 s, It shown a true ugly side of the business. Vince was going to lose another huge star in brett and brett went for the big lights. So to hear a bit of the truth from shawn and from brett. I just wonder what it was like in the locker room how much those talked before going out in front of all the fans. It was the best promo and close to real life as it could get. I wish vince and brett angle could have went over better.

Val Venus is great he still has it, I Am glad to see him back on tv. Orlando jordan could be the next big start he looks so much better then he did as jbl bitch.

I am just worried that Tna will drown them self, I believe there is some of the best up coming guys on that roster. I just hope the young guys will get tv time.
What do guys think will happen with tna? How long will these old guys be able to push the show, And will they get more ratings.
How many people do the get at a live event on tna?


Posted By: parkersports (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 05:52 PM

 
 
I just wanted to also say I think Jeff Harvey was so underwhelming because of the timing of his entrance and also that hairstyle. You can tell his lawyers wanted him to get a haircut. He is a true sellout now.

Posted By: Career Suicide (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:14 PM

 
 
am i only one who wants hbk do scm on brett?or brett screw shawn it would be epic

Posted By: cmon (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 06:53 PM

 
 
Man, I LOVE IT!! The back and forth between WWE and TNA fans is vintage Monday Night Wars.

HOWEVER, those people who say the HBK/Hart thing came of staged or they didn't mean it I ask this question.

Do any of you actually believe if Bret didn't want to put closure to this he would have agreed to "calling out HBK"? The same with HBK coming out and AGREEING to do this. Obviously many here don't know about the 1996-97 shades of gray worked shoot elements.

They were in and out of character in that segment which is why it was EPIC! Instead of doing a traditional "revenge" angle right off the top they gave closure to the screwjob in 1997.

They may feud down the line, but at least they "staged"(as some say) this to let people know they got passed that to actually work together again.

I also think Vince and Bret went in and out of character during their segment. REAL fans would pick up on what could have possibly been show and what was possibly heartfelt.

As some have said WAIT for the damn ending of the storyline before calling the come back a failure. There are still a bunch of pieces that are missing and it is DELIBERATE.

Now for TNA I am glad they are giving wwe some competition FINALLY. However, the ironic thing about all these comments is this.........

TNA IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE AIR ON MONDAY AGAIN WHICH GIVES WWE ALL OF THE AUDIENCE GAINED THIS WEEK BY TNA OVER TO RAW.

WWE JUST PLAYED THEIR CARDS RIGHT WITH LEAVING THE HART STORY OPEN!!

TNA DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB PROMOTING THEIR NEXT TV AIR TIME ON THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK!

They may have lost viewers this way and helped RAW gain.

AJ/Angle put on a helluva match though. They got to be careful not to become played out because I think TNA should have DRAGGED the returns more to keep people coming back. They may have shown TOO much of their hand on Monday.

We shall see.


Posted By: Reality Check (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:33 PM

 
 
it's sad that all WWE has to do is make a simple phone call and they get people riding their coat tails. They will NEVER have to improve wrestling quality and storylines at this rate. Because OMG!!!... Bret Hart is hosting... OOOO next week The Rock.... Stone Cold!!!!... oh shit!!!!.... it's Hulk Hogan!!!!(despite our bitching when he went to TNA!)

Y'know I bet if Bret came to visit TNA, you asshole hippocrits, would bitch and say "he's and old washed up WWE reject!" FUCK you childish sitcom fans.

Midget court.... really? That's all it takes to get you dumbasses to watch WWE?


Posted By: Alvin (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 09:33 PM

 
 
Is it me or did TNA try some nostalgia on us or what? did it work?

Posted By: Joe (Guest)  on January 05, 2010 at 10:21 PM

 
 
'WWE has officially gone down the toilet. TNA is the wave of the future. Accept it.'

yea, thank god for TNA and it desire to bring us all into 1999, whether we want it or not!

Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 05:47 PM

Yea and Bret Hart is so 199.....6? Wow the future is cool! IDIOT!


Posted By: Mortis sucks!!!!!! (Guest)  on January 06, 2010 at 08:20 AM

 
 
Is it me or did TNA try some nostalgia on us or what? did it work?

Posted By: Joe (Guest) on January 05, 2010 at 10:21 PM

TNA = Total Nostalgia Action


Posted By: y2kev (Guest)  on January 06, 2010 at 01:45 PM

 


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